This is truly fascinating! This is the time wherein fight scenes were not much given importance! I truly admire the skills of these actors. They are the actors themselves, not some stunt double.
`Lolita Quintero` (Linda Darnell) who you credited at the end of your clip wasn`t even in this scene, you popinjay! `Captain Esteban Pasquale` (Basil Rathbone) was.
Ok I fence sabre and I gotta say this is probably the best scene of sword fighting I have ever seen. Movies nowadays they are too concerned with things like running up stairs while fighting and other BS. True swordfighting like this is specticle enough without adding BS matrix type moves (YES NEW 3 MUSKETEERS IM CALLIN YOU OUT!!!)
I did fencing at school last week. It was AWESOME. Thought I had this special-grip sword in my hand at first which made my hand hurt (and eventually lose my sword). But when I got the good one I totally beat most of my friends!
There is only one fencing master in my book that is Zorro/Tyrone Power....such wonderful chorography was displayed by Tyrone Power & by Basil Rathbone. Such skill was demonstrated on the screen between the two actors....People don't realize & appreciate the art of fencing and when it is done right!!
Basil Rathbone was a big guy, but you will notice just how fast he could move when he wanted to. He displayed in this scene more energetic nimbleness than Power did, but then we see Rathbone here at his speciality!
This was actual fencing, Basil Rathbone is forever asociated with Sherlock Holmes, but he was one of the best fencing actors in Hollywood, maybe Erroll Flynn was only better.
The footwork has been greatly revolutionized during the last decades. Speed of the legs are today of bigger concern than at the time of the shooting, where a modern fencer would be considered non-robust. If something is lol, then it would be your english.
Greatest duel ever! I loved Basil as Captain Pasquale. Everyone hates the villian, and I doubt anyone would admit this but I would loved to have been the Captain and wear those great boots and get run through by Zorro!
And, the visual poetry of Pasquale, upon being skewered by Zorro, when falling to the ground, he pulls the lady's portait down off the wall, and unmasks the "Z" etched on the wall during one of Zorro's earlier escapades. What a magnificent ending! Pasquale is he villain you love to hate, and Zorro risks his life to rid the Earth of this odious vermin. A beautifully staged and acted scene! The best sword fight in cinema history!
I've already spoken to the build up to this climactic scene. Zorro is given a sword he's never used before. He does a better job of cutting the candle. Pasquale cuts first blood but is defeated. Pasquale has a bad tendency to fly his sword up and to the right when he misses contact wih the opponent's sword. Zorro sees this weakness & uses it against him. These are real actors, fencing wth real swords. Either one could lose an eye or hand. It's a teriffic scene from a wonderul movie.
I heartily agree this is the finest sword fight in cinema history, not only because both actors were accomplished fencers, not only because the scene was wonderfully choreographed, but for a dozen other reasons. The fact that Rathbone is so vile a villain, showing off what a hotshot swordsman he thinks he is, right from the early scenes of the movie, that it's so, SO satisfying to see him skewered in the end! It's the build up to this climax, throughout the movie, that makes it the best. Bravo!
Basil Rathbone in real life life was an excellent fencing master. He took his fencing skills seriously and began fencing lessons from the age of 18. He was better than Errol Flynn, Tyrone Power and many others. Unfortunately for Rathbone he often played the villain and had to lose the sword duels on the screen. The Zorro duel between Rathbone and Tyrone Power was choreographed by Fred Cravens. Albert Cravens (Fred;s Son) was reported to double for Tyrone Powers in these fencing scenes.
i'm 17 and tyrone is thee most handsome man ever and he was a great actor you'll never see the likes of him walking down the street because they just don't make men like this anymore i just adore ty.
Yes, completely breathtaking; not just in the exceptional swordplay, but in the virtuoso performance. Despite the quips and reparte, Rathbone and Power honestly look like they are trying to kill one another. Never surpassed.
Would have liked to have seen more feints, and some parts it was made very obvious it was fast fowarded... but besides that, excellent form and flow, and i wish today's sword fights could be of the same caliber.
I agree; in modern films, swordfights (and fight scenes in general) are more about petty spectacle than realism (which for a moviegoer is more rewarding to see); this is one of the more realistic fights I've seen.
Well, I don't think this is realistic. For starters, there still had to be some exageration of movement, although I they didn't go overboard. Second, it lasted way to long. These things tend to be over quickly. Second, while there were some situations where these guys fought from uncoventional stances (on the floor, on the stairs, etc.), and occasionally pushed each other, the fight didn't turn dirty. However, I bet the actors must have had a good fencing background.
Yes, they both had fencing backgrounds. Tyrone Power had started training from his actress-mother as a child, and had progressed from there.
I don't know about the un-realism of the fight though, mate. I recall reading in a book on cinema that this fight was judged to be one of the most realistic fencing duels ever filmed. But I guess it's just a matter of opinion. :-)
I guess I could be wrong. But I am thinking "fight" instead of 'fencing". This really does look like fencing techniqe and I guess that in that respect it would be realistic (though the time question is still an issue, I think, several minutes?). I am sure that they had to exagerate some movements for the camera since the better the bladework, the more subtle it is. My point (no pun intended) is that as a fight, hostile situation where people are intent on killing each other, it is not realistic.
Well fencing did derive from dueling, and I'm sure that duels in uncommon areas would call for slightly uncommon duels, so long as the lines of honor were respected. This is probably as close as a movie could get being historically accurate and acknowledging fencing mechanics simultaneously. Not parrying your comments, if I was in anyway, it would be less than the intention of adding thoughts.
I think it is realistic that the fight stayed clean. Especially for the time period, people tried to fight honorably when duelling (even to weird excesses, like the turn-based duel in Barry Lyndon). Considering how proud the Captain was about his fencing, he probably preferred to keep it clean and show off from the beginning. By the time he tried to get dirty, he was too tired (only managing a scratch) and Diego could put him on the defensive against the wall and finish him.
No sir, that's not a matter of opinion! It's hands down the finest fencing match in cinema history. Rathbone and Power were "golden" stars in their day. These were real actors, not stunt doubles, that performed this magnificent scene! Either one could have lost a hand, an eye or a finger performing it. We all loved Obe Wan Knobbe in Star Wars, but their blades were surreal. Tyrone Power and Basil Rathbone performed the real deal and will remain the best staged actor swordfight of all time.
This is by far the best "Zorro" movie ever made. Dashing Tyrone Power is superb as Don Diego de la Vega and the definitive "Zorro". His outstanding performance surpassed that of Douglas Fairbanks Sr. in 1920, who was great nonetheless, and (no offence ... Mr.Banderas) he is still unmatched.
As for the climax swordfight between Power and Rathbone, maybe it's the greatest movie fencing duel ever.
this is actually one of the best movie fencing scenes i have ever seen!!! better then any other movie......actually looks like a sabre bout...just a little long...lol
i am also a fencer. this is a great demonstration. In the REAL sport, it may not look like this, but if u strive towards it, it CAN look like this. but it takes years of training to getting all the parries and correct strikes. but anyways, thx for sharing this, great stuff man. :D 5/5
Why can't fight scenes like this be staged anymore. It seems like action actors of today can't play it even with all stunt choreographers around. blecch!
What impresses me about this clip is how exciting it was be stage in one room. Now days directors feel they must have there characters fighting up stairs, down alleys, and across town for the scene to have an impact. This was breath taking and it never left the room.
Friend, this is indeed one breathtaking duel done in one room. One movie that did another intense fight scene, this time done using one big auditorium, was between Mel Ferrer and Stewart Granger in SCARAMOUCHE. This was also one heckuva duel.
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1521ish 2 months ago
if fencing was acually like that.
naga1sado 3 months ago 2
Power was handsome as hell, but Rathbone was better swordsman
ejeevika 4 months ago
In those days film fencing was very good. Errol Flynn, Stewart Granger and others also did fine.
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Murmillo1 4 months ago
Great fight. I do think that Inigo and Westley got better lines, though.
WisemanSam599 4 months ago
This actually looks like a true sword fight! As a fencer this is amazing to watch.
PPartisan 6 months ago 4
This is truly fascinating! This is the time wherein fight scenes were not much given importance! I truly admire the skills of these actors. They are the actors themselves, not some stunt double.
bobkane27 6 months ago
Great fencing! But the colorization of this original B&W film is abominable.
zany2x 7 months ago
I love how even the music quietens when the fight begins, as if to say "Let's all be quiet and watch these two amazing professionals..."
Scruffy193 7 months ago
Awe-Some!
ADirtDiggler 8 months ago
`Lolita Quintero` (Linda Darnell) who you credited at the end of your clip wasn`t even in this scene, you popinjay! `Captain Esteban Pasquale` (Basil Rathbone) was.
LeconsdAnalyse 8 months ago
i love how they are about to kill each other, but they are so polite about it...
IAMMATSUDA 8 months ago
GRADE UFFFFFFFF QUE BUENA PELEA Fencing
gabriel3678 8 months ago
Ok I fence sabre and I gotta say this is probably the best scene of sword fighting I have ever seen. Movies nowadays they are too concerned with things like running up stairs while fighting and other BS. True swordfighting like this is specticle enough without adding BS matrix type moves (YES NEW 3 MUSKETEERS IM CALLIN YOU OUT!!!)
redith137 9 months ago
lol 3:37 - gay sex joke?
kissing88 9 months ago
lmao 1:38 part. hilarious! "Haha" Classic male phallic showing off "It's how you use it that counts"
kissing88 9 months ago
ah, I suppose sabre is a bit more practical than foil IRL, and much faster so it's more exciting to watch.
enduranceish 9 months ago
I did fencing at school last week. It was AWESOME. Thought I had this special-grip sword in my hand at first which made my hand hurt (and eventually lose my sword). But when I got the good one I totally beat most of my friends!
moviecas 9 months ago
There is only one fencing master in my book that is Zorro/Tyrone Power....such wonderful chorography was displayed by Tyrone Power & by Basil Rathbone. Such skill was demonstrated on the screen between the two actors....People don't realize & appreciate the art of fencing and when it is done right!!
nemeckathleen1 10 months ago
My question is why were they fencing saber like eppe with saber target area?
Membersacc 10 months ago
I've spent the last several hours going through swordfights from movies of youtube. This is easily the best I've found so far.
hamstersar 10 months ago
Ahhhhh......the childhood memories! Zorro was my childhood hero.
Shetasen 11 months ago
Does anybody know the particular fencing sword they used? I mean, is it a rapier or can you give the name of the sword type used?
AND
Does anyone know the boots Zorro/Diego wears in this scene? Or the type of boot, what it would be called?
QuartBernstein 11 months ago
@QuartBernstein they used sabres
draven86 11 months ago
fencing = better than kendo
braintick123 1 year ago
in 1940? its amazing...
akicram 1 year ago
Excellent fight scene. Was just looking up professional fencing and stumbled across this. Such a good find.
pepsidude102 1 year ago
Stabbed him right in the heart for one moment there i thought it was real!!!!
chetoeff 1 year ago
A movie or not...how can they really be that fast to dock each other's attacks?
Damaskox 1 year ago
@Damaskox im 80% sure its fast-forwarded fighting footage
pureindian407 10 months ago
That was exhilarating. o.o
youkilledkiller22 1 year ago
dude badass!
viatus 1 year ago
This is the greatest screen sword fight ever!!! No arguments! No discussion! It is what it is!
woffus 1 year ago 3
Excellent choreography, dialogue, camera, and performance by the actors. An excellent scene for the ages.
xjxm 1 year ago 2
Luis: Are you all right, Diego?
Diego: Ask the Capitan!
LMAO priceless!
Artisan1979 1 year ago
DAMN THAT WAS A GOOD FIGHT!!
Saturn554 1 year ago
which one is the hero?
vulkancorax 1 year ago
@vulkancorax the one that won
VegaEtereo 1 year ago
Tyrone used fewer drugs than Flynn .
fred5399 1 year ago
This was AWESOME!
RJhasFLOW 1 year ago
BEST FIGHT SCENE EVER
Guttsz414 1 year ago 2
I have this movie ..both in black and white and color!
lafayette20ful 1 year ago
This movie was a considerable input to me to take fencing lessons)))
ejeevika 1 year ago
sabre, foil or épée?
and i'd watch more, if I wasn't late for my sabre group. XD
vinceat852 1 year ago
Basil Rathbone was a big guy, but you will notice just how fast he could move when he wanted to. He displayed in this scene more energetic nimbleness than Power did, but then we see Rathbone here at his speciality!
hlaltimus 1 year ago
This was actual fencing, Basil Rathbone is forever asociated with Sherlock Holmes, but he was one of the best fencing actors in Hollywood, maybe Erroll Flynn was only better.
45corleone 1 year ago
@45corleone Rathbone was a world class fencer in real life.
fred5399 1 year ago
@fred5399 the fact that Basil said that Tyrone could fence circles around Erroll Flynn is high praise indeed
45corleone 1 year ago
@45corleone actually, he said, "Tyrone could have fenced Errol Flynn into a cocked hat."
palorius 1 year ago
"The capitan's blade is not too firm" "Still firm enough to run you through" SEX JOKE.
kilikman 1 year ago
They dont need close up camera shots to look like there fighting good like todays movies. Its all far you can see everything crisp and clear.
shiningkenshiro 1 year ago
omg, nothing in 2010 has anything on this
nightofhalo 1 year ago 7
it looks like theyre using sabres with epee blades or something
0xXNirvanaXx0 1 year ago
Basil Rathbone, a fencing expert, was quoted as saying Tyrone Power was the most athletic actor he had ever worked with..
FrankenSensei 1 year ago
i fencing and the foodwork is lol
nouleukhoor 1 year ago
@nouleukhoor
The footwork has been greatly revolutionized during the last decades. Speed of the legs are today of bigger concern than at the time of the shooting, where a modern fencer would be considered non-robust. If something is lol, then it would be your english.
VVTFBBQ 11 months ago
rofl what an old movie. oh man this is fucking hilarious when the guy got stabbed i yelled "LOL HES DEAD!!"
OculusDraconis 1 year ago
You actually YELLED "LOL"? Wow. Most people just... you know... laugh.
I hope despite this being an old movie, you can still appreciate the badass swordfight. They don't make them like this anymore.
FlippinBooks 1 year ago 3
Basil Rathbone was amazing!!!!
irinagarbo 2 years ago 4
I knew Rathbone was an expert swordsman, but Power seems equally good. If power had a stand-in, it doesn't show.
joeparkson 2 years ago
Power was doubled in some shots by their fencing instructor to keep up with Rathbone...
CTForrester 2 years ago
look at that footwork
TheMazurka 2 years ago
awesomeeeeee
UnrealK9999 2 years ago
60 years later, and this fight is still the best sword fight ever. Bar none.
Primevals33 2 years ago 51
@Primevals33
what are your thoughts on scaramouche with stuart granger?
TrueGoth1 1 year ago
@Primevals33 You and 26 other people don't know how to count.
FenrirTheDarkWolf 1 year ago
power is incredible...what eyes!....amazing
ejeevika 2 years ago
Good stuff. Scenes like this were the inspiration for insult combat in the 'Monkey Island' games
RomperSuit 2 years ago
the last fencing fight in the motion picture Scaramouche is also awesome
sotuelamos 2 years ago
amazing fight sceen
fatalityproductionsz 2 years ago
Greatest duel ever! I loved Basil as Captain Pasquale. Everyone hates the villian, and I doubt anyone would admit this but I would loved to have been the Captain and wear those great boots and get run through by Zorro!
jscardul 2 years ago
Rathbone was amazing, he specifically wore those boots to accentuate his lunges.
wolfdragga 2 years ago
This scene in Zorro is a classic!!! Marvelous!!!
schs19947 2 years ago
This looks amazing, although no real fencer could parry attacks for that long.
MacDragard 2 years ago
I agree, that's why it is best to not drag out a real fight.
sturnfield7783 2 years ago
And, the visual poetry of Pasquale, upon being skewered by Zorro, when falling to the ground, he pulls the lady's portait down off the wall, and unmasks the "Z" etched on the wall during one of Zorro's earlier escapades. What a magnificent ending! Pasquale is he villain you love to hate, and Zorro risks his life to rid the Earth of this odious vermin. A beautifully staged and acted scene! The best sword fight in cinema history!
KENZOWAL 2 years ago
I've already spoken to the build up to this climactic scene. Zorro is given a sword he's never used before. He does a better job of cutting the candle. Pasquale cuts first blood but is defeated. Pasquale has a bad tendency to fly his sword up and to the right when he misses contact wih the opponent's sword. Zorro sees this weakness & uses it against him. These are real actors, fencing wth real swords. Either one could lose an eye or hand. It's a teriffic scene from a wonderul movie.
KENZOWAL 2 years ago 5
I heartily agree this is the finest sword fight in cinema history, not only because both actors were accomplished fencers, not only because the scene was wonderfully choreographed, but for a dozen other reasons. The fact that Rathbone is so vile a villain, showing off what a hotshot swordsman he thinks he is, right from the early scenes of the movie, that it's so, SO satisfying to see him skewered in the end! It's the build up to this climax, throughout the movie, that makes it the best. Bravo!
KENZOWAL 2 years ago 3
Wow! ...God, they're good.
dedebelle 2 years ago
Basil Rathbone in real life life was an excellent fencing master. He took his fencing skills seriously and began fencing lessons from the age of 18. He was better than Errol Flynn, Tyrone Power and many others. Unfortunately for Rathbone he often played the villain and had to lose the sword duels on the screen. The Zorro duel between Rathbone and Tyrone Power was choreographed by Fred Cravens. Albert Cravens (Fred;s Son) was reported to double for Tyrone Powers in these fencing scenes.
nightsurfer3 2 years ago 7
This is my new favorite movie sword fight. Was it done in real-time or were speed effects used in post production?
uuumdm 2 years ago
where the hell did u get this in color??
danny35832 2 years ago
I think I got this from Amazon : ) !
mellow0w 2 years ago
"I must please ask you to change the subject. His Excellency objects to talk of throat-cutting." LOL!! :D
And my personal favorite: "I needed that scratch to awaken me!" :D
And, of course, you've gotta love Diego slicing the candle in half without making it move. Pure talent. :)
TheMaskOfErik11 2 years ago 2
Incredible.
Caqui 2 years ago
Tyrone Power, according to Basil Rathbone, who taught fencing, said Power was the BEST FENCER in the world surpassing Errol Flynn
796824 2 years ago 2
Coming from Rathbone that's high praise!
AnacreoninHeaven 2 years ago 2
Very well coreographed. Thanks for the upload, mellow0w
Proudper 2 years ago
i'm 17 and tyrone is thee most handsome man ever and he was a great actor you'll never see the likes of him walking down the street because they just don't make men like this anymore i just adore ty.
dorisdayno1 2 years ago 3
lol nice. fencing used to settle everything years ago :o
zorky101 3 years ago 6
MmMmMm Diego
IcyMaking 3 years ago
1940? Great. Doesn't look that old and it's really good.
JikoMuskato 3 years ago
I might be tempted *blink* If I had a weapon *blink* *blink* XD
RsGhost1 3 years ago 4
There's a blink before he starts talking XD!
IcyMaking 3 years ago
Ok ^^
RsGhost1 3 years ago
Just saying........ :(
IcyMaking 3 years ago
Just saying Ok ^^
RsGhost1 3 years ago
Yes, completely breathtaking; not just in the exceptional swordplay, but in the virtuoso performance. Despite the quips and reparte, Rathbone and Power honestly look like they are trying to kill one another. Never surpassed.
pantirachan 3 years ago 7
Would have liked to have seen more feints, and some parts it was made very obvious it was fast fowarded... but besides that, excellent form and flow, and i wish today's sword fights could be of the same caliber.
ihaveanoname2 3 years ago 3
I agree; in modern films, swordfights (and fight scenes in general) are more about petty spectacle than realism (which for a moviegoer is more rewarding to see); this is one of the more realistic fights I've seen.
ToledoSpartan 2 years ago
Well, I don't think this is realistic. For starters, there still had to be some exageration of movement, although I they didn't go overboard. Second, it lasted way to long. These things tend to be over quickly. Second, while there were some situations where these guys fought from uncoventional stances (on the floor, on the stairs, etc.), and occasionally pushed each other, the fight didn't turn dirty. However, I bet the actors must have had a good fencing background.
TangomanX2008 2 years ago
Yes, they both had fencing backgrounds. Tyrone Power had started training from his actress-mother as a child, and had progressed from there.
I don't know about the un-realism of the fight though, mate. I recall reading in a book on cinema that this fight was judged to be one of the most realistic fencing duels ever filmed. But I guess it's just a matter of opinion. :-)
ToledoSpartan 2 years ago 2
I guess I could be wrong. But I am thinking "fight" instead of 'fencing". This really does look like fencing techniqe and I guess that in that respect it would be realistic (though the time question is still an issue, I think, several minutes?). I am sure that they had to exagerate some movements for the camera since the better the bladework, the more subtle it is. My point (no pun intended) is that as a fight, hostile situation where people are intent on killing each other, it is not realistic.
TangomanX2008 2 years ago
Ah! I see what you mean now.
ToledoSpartan 2 years ago
Well fencing did derive from dueling, and I'm sure that duels in uncommon areas would call for slightly uncommon duels, so long as the lines of honor were respected. This is probably as close as a movie could get being historically accurate and acknowledging fencing mechanics simultaneously. Not parrying your comments, if I was in anyway, it would be less than the intention of adding thoughts.
AzureFencer 2 years ago
I think it is realistic that the fight stayed clean. Especially for the time period, people tried to fight honorably when duelling (even to weird excesses, like the turn-based duel in Barry Lyndon). Considering how proud the Captain was about his fencing, he probably preferred to keep it clean and show off from the beginning. By the time he tried to get dirty, he was too tired (only managing a scratch) and Diego could put him on the defensive against the wall and finish him.
PlaceholderName9 2 years ago
turn based duel? are we talking swords or firearms? I can't imagine a turned based swordfight, but a turned based firearm makes sense.
TangomanX2008 2 years ago
I am surprised that neither carried at least a dagger, but that would be more authentic.
sturnfield7783 2 years ago
correct. but than again authentic duels never lasted very long. movie duels are always meant to entertain the audience.
hellzanetruesdale 2 years ago 4
I agree, and in the real duels they would have a second weapon, like a dagger.
sturnfield7783 2 years ago
No sir, that's not a matter of opinion! It's hands down the finest fencing match in cinema history. Rathbone and Power were "golden" stars in their day. These were real actors, not stunt doubles, that performed this magnificent scene! Either one could have lost a hand, an eye or a finger performing it. We all loved Obe Wan Knobbe in Star Wars, but their blades were surreal. Tyrone Power and Basil Rathbone performed the real deal and will remain the best staged actor swordfight of all time.
KENZOWAL 2 years ago 17
ahh from the time then they used fencing in movies... today it's mostly film fencing.
greenKnight300 3 years ago
This is by far the best "Zorro" movie ever made. Dashing Tyrone Power is superb as Don Diego de la Vega and the definitive "Zorro". His outstanding performance surpassed that of Douglas Fairbanks Sr. in 1920, who was great nonetheless, and (no offence ... Mr.Banderas) he is still unmatched.
As for the climax swordfight between Power and Rathbone, maybe it's the greatest movie fencing duel ever.
nicolaos777 3 years ago
this is actually one of the best movie fencing scenes i have ever seen!!! better then any other movie......actually looks like a sabre bout...just a little long...lol
sabrefilms 3 years ago
that's probably the sloppiest Z i've ever seen lol
epeemstr316 3 years ago
Nice to see someone using the italian sabre school instead of the modern hungarian :]
jbujko 3 years ago
i am also a fencer. this is a great demonstration. In the REAL sport, it may not look like this, but if u strive towards it, it CAN look like this. but it takes years of training to getting all the parries and correct strikes. but anyways, thx for sharing this, great stuff man. :D 5/5
iPood523 3 years ago
Why can't fight scenes like this be staged anymore. It seems like action actors of today can't play it even with all stunt choreographers around. blecch!
edsnantonio 3 years ago
What impresses me about this clip is how exciting it was be stage in one room. Now days directors feel they must have there characters fighting up stairs, down alleys, and across town for the scene to have an impact. This was breath taking and it never left the room.
CafeAmerican1945 3 years ago 28
Friend, this is indeed one breathtaking duel done in one room. One movie that did another intense fight scene, this time done using one big auditorium, was between Mel Ferrer and Stewart Granger in SCARAMOUCHE. This was also one heckuva duel.
edsnantonio 3 years ago
as a fencer im impressed by how much traditional fencing is interpreted into this.
bravo!!
epeemstr316 3 years ago 3
I have no reason for letting you live, well, Capitant, I feel the same way about you.
Great Movie
Shiftyeyes516 3 years ago
Very nice coeography! Very nice indeed!
GrahamChapman 3 years ago
best scene ever!!!
gusoni 3 years ago