i just appreciate the time he took to do these lessons .....they sound right n sound good ....i have some stuff to piece together on my own but thx john n please keep em comin
John, ignore the negative comments. Anyone that needs you to hold their hand just cant wrap their head around the concept. Its simple really. Learn the major scale shapes and the names of the modes change depending on what chord you are playing over. (and of course the note you decided on. C major over C chord = Ionian). Thanks for the video. The backing chord and you soloing over it was a nice touch. Not many videos like that.
I think some of the negative comments here are misleading and unuseful. John's basic treatment of the modes is very common and accepted in the musical community. For example, the concept of the A Aeolian mode is constituted of the notes of a C major scale with emphasis on the notes of the A minor triad -- especially the A note itself. More specific interpretations vary but music is not a hard science.
This is a great introduction to modes: it's clear, concise, and sounds great in the process!
I'm now using the internet to study the human character. Our world is predominantly negative.
When a ten year old guitarist tells you you're going to hell and calls you every swear word he can think of because of the way you teach and play you know we're in trouble.
@johnhguitar Hey, don't let it get to you. Misunderstandings and anger resonate on Youtube. Hopefully civility will eventually evolve in online communities.
The rich history of modal thought may have something to do with the confusion. The popular description of modes, which you are basically teaching, is subtly different from that of past cultures'. But those other conceptions surface in various teachings today. It's like the differences in dialects of a language. It's naturally frustrating.
@Epistemophilos While you *can* do what he says (theres no rules in music, even with theory), its generally regarded as bad sounding, or worse sounding than it otherwise would be, even to those who dont know whats happening.
Basically, you take a minor mode and play it over a minor chord.
example:
A Minor chord, under A Aeolian, E Phyrgian etc (CONTINUED)
The reason this is, is because of the normal resolving notes (1, 3 and 5)
when you play a major over a minor, you often resolve/focus on undesirable notes. If you do it the way I explained, you are in a position to maximize your likely desired outcome
So, the resolving notes in Aeolian are A C E
While The resolving notes in the C Maj are C E G
you *can* resolve on any note u want, but while using the method i explained, you are treating the intervals as intended
@endauthority Sorry, I'm very weak in music theory. Can you explain more simply? Are you saying that the Aeolian on A minor is NOT the C major scale? If so, which scale is the proper scale for the Aeolian on A minor?
@Epistemophilos A Aeolian is in the C Major scale. However, it does not share the same resolving intervals as the Major mode. C Maj's resolving intervals are C E G, A Aeolians resolving intervals are A C E. If you played in the position of C Maj, you may want to resolve on its fifth, which is G, but with a A min chord under it, you would be resolving on its 7th, which sounds like shit, and it gets worse with other modes.
if you have further confusion, PM me. I will help you
D minor Aeolian is the same notes as F MAJOR Ionian or diatonic (Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do) You're just starting the major scale in the key of F on the D note. Understand?
I'm not going to defend myself. I only know that out of 98 music books that were released in 2010 and were reviewed by The Paul Revere Publishing Company mine came in 3rd place overall. What you're saying is all these experts that earn a living in the music business don't know what they're talking about.
You have to do better than this. Just saying I'm no good only bugs me but doesn't help anyone else.
Why don't you tell everybody what the correct way to view modes is? Can you or can't you?
@johnhguitar Bad books get published all the time, and yeah, if your book got by the "experts" they must not have been experts.
The guy who pointed out that you're wrong on the locrian video explained perfectly why you are wrong.
Im not saying youre "bad", but you definitely dont know music theory.
goto looknohands (dot) com, they will teach you the modes quickly. If you play A minor, then you should play the A minor (or any minor within the C Major scale) over it.
you CAN do it this way, but theres a reason it sounds bad to most people, Minors and Majors(unless its a harmony) simply dont mix very well, and if perhaps you like the sound of it, you could do it, but most musicians dont, because it sounds terrible.
I don't agree. If I can make it sound good so can others. I know this is the internet and we can expect people to say whatever they want but your vantage of what I'm doing doesn't hold up according to your discription. Sorry. Oh, by the way, how old are you and how long have you been playing guitar? Honestly.
@johnhguitar "I don't agree. If I can make it sound good so can others. " Good is subjective, and that was kind of the point I was getting at, that YOU may think it sounds good, but most others dont, which is why the error youre committing is avoided by almost everyone
what does my age and how long ive been playing have to do with anything? We both know im right, you can get the berkley music theory book for free online, check out the mode section. You are WRONG.
OK OK What I mean by the asking of your age is that's it's gets a little unfair when people say that someone doesn't have the right to do something if they make a mistake here or there especially when it comes to teaching music. A lot on this subject is explained differently depending on what camp your in namely jazz, blues, rock, etc. I know what I said and I know what you say is true but only a little kid would say shit and not back it up without an explanation. You came through later.
What? You don't understand the words TOO BUSY? Besides, you're just going to find some other incorrect wording to give yourself something to do that makes you feel good about yourself pointing out mistakes.
Try setting up cameras then playing and filming your descriptions. It takes a lot of time and energy.
I'm not kidding. You do it so we can learn the correct way. You said Berkeley? Show us the their way on youtube. I dare you. Oh, I'm surprised people haven't jumped into this chat yet.
I'm not afraid to say I screwed up I'm afraid to do the work which takes hours. I don't make these video programs at my house. I go somewhere else. I don't want to delete what's on there because most of it is useful. The world now knows it's a #4 and not a b5 thanks to you and many others. In truth though it sounds the same no matter what you call it. I think making these videos is harder for me than you think it is. That's all.
@johnhguitar all you have to do is make an annotation, you can do it in less than 2 minutes. Its just text that appears over the video.
It really doesnt sound the same, play each mode with a its corresponding triad behind it, then play its major scale over its relative minor. sounds very different
@johnhguitar "In truth though it sounds the same no matter what you call it."
I like your videos, John, but to be honest, this was actually where I got confused. The reason why this is important is that the the normal way to play a scale is "1, 2, 3...". So #4 or b5 makes a huge difference because it determines which note is actually changed (e.g. in C, is it F or G?).
I often wondered, like you, why people say it is so important. But hey, now I know! Learning from your mistakes, I guess...
@endauthority why must you continously attack this guy??? he's just trying to further the guitar community..
i don't see him making gobs of money or instituting some sort of scam.. so what is your purpose in spending so much time and effort arguing over a minor point of music theory.. why not post some way in which you would show us whats the big difference in your correct way..
@MOSKII58 In addition to the previous comment Ive made in response to you he has repeatedly admitting his own short comings, while acting switching back and forth from a hostile personality. Hes often claimed that he actually has to learn the modes as well. However, if he was merely trying to learn the modes, why wont he take the videos down, or correct them (with simple annotations)
He is a weird guy, who randomly gets aggressive or dismissive. This is a clear cut case of an emotional disorder
@endauthority wasn't it just one minor point that was in question, somethg about a 4th & 5th scale degree, or are you saying his entire mode lessons are incorrect? if the latter, then i can understand all the chatter, but i only read some of the posts.. i know there are some people on here who should NOT be uploading instructional videos, but i didn't include John in that group.. i have enjoyed some of Johns other videos..well i hope you guys can resolve this..
@MOSKII58 Hes essentially completely off. Hes treating each mode as if theyre all the same mode. This misses the entire point modes and modulation. You get 7 different sounds and scales out of the same key, and the way hes teaching people essentially gives them one main sound, and any variation ends up being accidental. The way I explained it(and the way its traditionally explained) gives players the opportunity to INTENTIONALLY make the sounds they want by knowing the properties of modes
I'm saying each diatonic mode has the same fingering shape on the fretboard just in a different position. You can try and find fault with these descriptions but it will never prevent me from changing the way I think nor the results I'm getting. I don't have to analyze the scale to make sure I've got it right. I only have to find the correct sound by shifting my position and there you have it. It sounds right and it plays easy and is familiar with what I already know and I'm getting paid for it!
They have different fingering shapes. I would tell you to play the minor starting with A, then Major starting with C, but I feel like you would get confused on that too, and make a video about it.
Seriously just make an annotation, its takes less than 3 minutes, and it will stop the spread of misinformation.
@johnhguitar ...You add annotations to youtube videos. It literally has nothing to do with music. Edit your video from youtube.com and add a little popup box that gives the actual info on modes. You do not have to reupload anything, youtube allows you to do this to current videos.
so this whole time it's just been the c mjr scale over different chords which makes the mode? i want to learn how to get my hand all over the neck more than it already does. i thought the modes went up the neck in positions. ionian, dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian, and locrian, like that. or is it both? cause all your doing is staying in one spot playing one scale over several chords, which there's nothing wrong with, your a amazing guitarist i can clearly see that. help me out?
I break the diatonic scale into 7 positions each position having 3 notes on a string. Each mode in this system has seven positions which the entire fretboard. I've written all this in a book, 'Guitar Workout' published by Hal Leonard. Get it if you want to learn all I have to say about it.
Hang on, you said that the minor pentatonic was with the 4th and the 7th omitted. Isn't that the rule for major pentatonic? I thought the minor pentatonic is with the 2 and the 6 omitted.
i just appreciate the time he took to do these lessons .....they sound right n sound good ....i have some stuff to piece together on my own but thx john n please keep em comin
bobsimp2372 2 days ago
NICE LESSON IT HELPS A LOT DUDE
cool22sweethikaru 1 month ago
hello john, all of your modes is played in minor - what about playing that modes in major? any difference? thx for your explanation
rainmakermr1 1 month ago
The Ionian, Lydian, and Mixolydian type modes are major based. I thought I covered those?
johnhguitar 1 month ago
@johnhguitar thx alot, i'll check it out
rainmakermr1 1 month ago
john youre awsome
guitar19904 2 months ago
John, ignore the negative comments. Anyone that needs you to hold their hand just cant wrap their head around the concept. Its simple really. Learn the major scale shapes and the names of the modes change depending on what chord you are playing over. (and of course the note you decided on. C major over C chord = Ionian). Thanks for the video. The backing chord and you soloing over it was a nice touch. Not many videos like that.
dmandrade1978 5 months ago
I think some of the negative comments here are misleading and unuseful. John's basic treatment of the modes is very common and accepted in the musical community. For example, the concept of the A Aeolian mode is constituted of the notes of a C major scale with emphasis on the notes of the A minor triad -- especially the A note itself. More specific interpretations vary but music is not a hard science.
This is a great introduction to modes: it's clear, concise, and sounds great in the process!
oliTUTilo 6 months ago
Thanks for the friendly comment.
I'm now using the internet to study the human character. Our world is predominantly negative.
When a ten year old guitarist tells you you're going to hell and calls you every swear word he can think of because of the way you teach and play you know we're in trouble.
johnhguitar 5 months ago 8
@johnhguitar Hey, don't let it get to you. Misunderstandings and anger resonate on Youtube. Hopefully civility will eventually evolve in online communities.
The rich history of modal thought may have something to do with the confusion. The popular description of modes, which you are basically teaching, is subtly different from that of past cultures'. But those other conceptions surface in various teachings today. It's like the differences in dialects of a language. It's naturally frustrating.
oliTUTilo 5 months ago
You're tutorials are tremendous. You're explanations are musical and easy to understand, great work!
Epistemophilos 6 months ago
@Epistemophilos Its easy to understand because its not actually correct.
endauthority 5 months ago
@endauthority How so? If not correct, I'd really like an explanation of why it's not and also what the correct explanation is please.
Epistemophilos 5 months ago
@Epistemophilos While you *can* do what he says (theres no rules in music, even with theory), its generally regarded as bad sounding, or worse sounding than it otherwise would be, even to those who dont know whats happening.
Basically, you take a minor mode and play it over a minor chord.
example:
A Minor chord, under A Aeolian, E Phyrgian etc (CONTINUED)
endauthority 5 months ago
@Epistemophilos (RESPONSE 2/2)
The reason this is, is because of the normal resolving notes (1, 3 and 5)
when you play a major over a minor, you often resolve/focus on undesirable notes. If you do it the way I explained, you are in a position to maximize your likely desired outcome
So, the resolving notes in Aeolian are A C E
While The resolving notes in the C Maj are C E G
you *can* resolve on any note u want, but while using the method i explained, you are treating the intervals as intended
endauthority 5 months ago
@endauthority Sorry, I'm very weak in music theory. Can you explain more simply? Are you saying that the Aeolian on A minor is NOT the C major scale? If so, which scale is the proper scale for the Aeolian on A minor?
Epistemophilos 5 months ago
@Epistemophilos A Aeolian is in the C Major scale. However, it does not share the same resolving intervals as the Major mode. C Maj's resolving intervals are C E G, A Aeolians resolving intervals are A C E. If you played in the position of C Maj, you may want to resolve on its fifth, which is G, but with a A min chord under it, you would be resolving on its 7th, which sounds like shit, and it gets worse with other modes.
if you have further confusion, PM me. I will help you
endauthority 5 months ago
so if you're using aolian mode then are you in a minor key or still in a major key?
quackerofquack 10 months ago
Minor. Because the 3rd tone up from the root is a minor 3rd. You need to read up on the subject. It's a bit tough covering it on youtube.
johnhguitar 10 months ago
@johnhguitar oh okay thanks!
quackerofquack 10 months ago
@johnhguitar wait so if you were using d aolian would you be in d minor or f minor?
quackerofquack 10 months ago
D minor Aeolian is the same notes as F MAJOR Ionian or diatonic (Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do) You're just starting the major scale in the key of F on the D note. Understand?
johnhguitar 10 months ago
@johnhguitar oh i understand! thanks for taking your time for replying.
quackerofquack 10 months ago
@quackerofquack this guy doesnt actually know anything about modes, he is not a teacher
endauthority 6 months ago
I'm not going to defend myself. I only know that out of 98 music books that were released in 2010 and were reviewed by The Paul Revere Publishing Company mine came in 3rd place overall. What you're saying is all these experts that earn a living in the music business don't know what they're talking about.
You have to do better than this. Just saying I'm no good only bugs me but doesn't help anyone else.
Why don't you tell everybody what the correct way to view modes is? Can you or can't you?
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar Bad books get published all the time, and yeah, if your book got by the "experts" they must not have been experts.
The guy who pointed out that you're wrong on the locrian video explained perfectly why you are wrong.
Im not saying youre "bad", but you definitely dont know music theory.
goto looknohands (dot) com, they will teach you the modes quickly. If you play A minor, then you should play the A minor (or any minor within the C Major scale) over it.
continued...
endauthority 6 months ago
@johnhguitar (part 2 of response)
you CAN do it this way, but theres a reason it sounds bad to most people, Minors and Majors(unless its a harmony) simply dont mix very well, and if perhaps you like the sound of it, you could do it, but most musicians dont, because it sounds terrible.
Make sure you read part one of my response
endauthority 6 months ago
I don't agree. If I can make it sound good so can others. I know this is the internet and we can expect people to say whatever they want but your vantage of what I'm doing doesn't hold up according to your discription. Sorry. Oh, by the way, how old are you and how long have you been playing guitar? Honestly.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar "I don't agree. If I can make it sound good so can others. " Good is subjective, and that was kind of the point I was getting at, that YOU may think it sounds good, but most others dont, which is why the error youre committing is avoided by almost everyone
what does my age and how long ive been playing have to do with anything? We both know im right, you can get the berkley music theory book for free online, check out the mode section. You are WRONG.
endauthority 6 months ago
OK OK What I mean by the asking of your age is that's it's gets a little unfair when people say that someone doesn't have the right to do something if they make a mistake here or there especially when it comes to teaching music. A lot on this subject is explained differently depending on what camp your in namely jazz, blues, rock, etc. I know what I said and I know what you say is true but only a little kid would say shit and not back it up without an explanation. You came through later.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar i think at the very least, you should put an annotation giving the correct explanation of modes
endauthority 6 months ago
You do it. I'm too busy.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar no you arent, you're here arguing with me. you are coming off as extremely insecure
endauthority 6 months ago
What? You don't understand the words TOO BUSY? Besides, you're just going to find some other incorrect wording to give yourself something to do that makes you feel good about yourself pointing out mistakes.
Try setting up cameras then playing and filming your descriptions. It takes a lot of time and energy.
I'm not kidding. You do it so we can learn the correct way. You said Berkeley? Show us the their way on youtube. I dare you. Oh, I'm surprised people haven't jumped into this chat yet.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar "What? You don't understand the words TOO BUSY? "
if you have enough time to argue with me, then you have enough time to fix the error in your video.
im sure berklee has stuff uploaded to yt.
you are really insecure, the problem is that you dont want people knowing that you screwed up
endauthority 6 months ago
I'm not afraid to say I screwed up I'm afraid to do the work which takes hours. I don't make these video programs at my house. I go somewhere else. I don't want to delete what's on there because most of it is useful. The world now knows it's a #4 and not a b5 thanks to you and many others. In truth though it sounds the same no matter what you call it. I think making these videos is harder for me than you think it is. That's all.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar all you have to do is make an annotation, you can do it in less than 2 minutes. Its just text that appears over the video.
It really doesnt sound the same, play each mode with a its corresponding triad behind it, then play its major scale over its relative minor. sounds very different
endauthority 6 months ago
Quick reply. I know you're doing me a huge favor.
johnhguitar 6 months ago
@johnhguitar "In truth though it sounds the same no matter what you call it."
I like your videos, John, but to be honest, this was actually where I got confused. The reason why this is important is that the the normal way to play a scale is "1, 2, 3...". So #4 or b5 makes a huge difference because it determines which note is actually changed (e.g. in C, is it F or G?).
I often wondered, like you, why people say it is so important. But hey, now I know! Learning from your mistakes, I guess...
bearspringvalley 3 days ago
@endauthority why must you continously attack this guy??? he's just trying to further the guitar community..
i don't see him making gobs of money or instituting some sort of scam.. so what is your purpose in spending so much time and effort arguing over a minor point of music theory.. why not post some way in which you would show us whats the big difference in your correct way..
MOSKII58 5 months ago
@MOSKII58
Answering your questions in order:
1. Im not, im pointing out why hes wrong. This is a noble thing to do.
2. How on earth can you FURTHER a community based on FALSEHOODS? Falsehoods make you stagnant or go backwards
3. Money/Institution is irrelevant. He is giving false info.
4. This is not a minor aspect of music theory. Its crucial that one understands the purpose and application of modes.
5. I did, and so did others. However this discussion spans several videos
endauthority 5 months ago
@MOSKII58 In addition to the previous comment Ive made in response to you he has repeatedly admitting his own short comings, while acting switching back and forth from a hostile personality. Hes often claimed that he actually has to learn the modes as well. However, if he was merely trying to learn the modes, why wont he take the videos down, or correct them (with simple annotations)
He is a weird guy, who randomly gets aggressive or dismissive. This is a clear cut case of an emotional disorder
endauthority 5 months ago
@endauthority wasn't it just one minor point that was in question, somethg about a 4th & 5th scale degree, or are you saying his entire mode lessons are incorrect? if the latter, then i can understand all the chatter, but i only read some of the posts.. i know there are some people on here who should NOT be uploading instructional videos, but i didn't include John in that group.. i have enjoyed some of Johns other videos..well i hope you guys can resolve this..
MOSKII58 5 months ago
@MOSKII58 Hes essentially completely off. Hes treating each mode as if theyre all the same mode. This misses the entire point modes and modulation. You get 7 different sounds and scales out of the same key, and the way hes teaching people essentially gives them one main sound, and any variation ends up being accidental. The way I explained it(and the way its traditionally explained) gives players the opportunity to INTENTIONALLY make the sounds they want by knowing the properties of modes
endauthority 5 months ago
I'm saying each diatonic mode has the same fingering shape on the fretboard just in a different position. You can try and find fault with these descriptions but it will never prevent me from changing the way I think nor the results I'm getting. I don't have to analyze the scale to make sure I've got it right. I only have to find the correct sound by shifting my position and there you have it. It sounds right and it plays easy and is familiar with what I already know and I'm getting paid for it!
johnhguitar 5 months ago
@johnhguitar you dont even know what "right" is.
They have different fingering shapes. I would tell you to play the minor starting with A, then Major starting with C, but I feel like you would get confused on that too, and make a video about it.
Seriously just make an annotation, its takes less than 3 minutes, and it will stop the spread of misinformation.
endauthority 5 months ago
Please giive me an example because I'm not sure what you're talking about.
johnhguitar 5 months ago
Please give us an example because I'm not sure what you're talking about even though I looked up annotation in music. Thanks.
johnhguitar 5 months ago
@johnhguitar ...You add annotations to youtube videos. It literally has nothing to do with music. Edit your video from youtube.com and add a little popup box that gives the actual info on modes. You do not have to reupload anything, youtube allows you to do this to current videos.
endauthority 5 months ago
so this whole time it's just been the c mjr scale over different chords which makes the mode? i want to learn how to get my hand all over the neck more than it already does. i thought the modes went up the neck in positions. ionian, dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian, and locrian, like that. or is it both? cause all your doing is staying in one spot playing one scale over several chords, which there's nothing wrong with, your a amazing guitarist i can clearly see that. help me out?
wickedwizardofspeed 11 months ago
I break the diatonic scale into 7 positions each position having 3 notes on a string. Each mode in this system has seven positions which the entire fretboard. I've written all this in a book, 'Guitar Workout' published by Hal Leonard. Get it if you want to learn all I have to say about it.
johnhguitar 11 months ago
what's with the toque for , is the studio cold or what ...sheesh
heatmanable 11 months ago
this was GREAT thanks so much! i've just started a grad-level pop music class and this video helped clear some stuff up!
andwedanced 1 year ago
that guitar is one of the most things i've ever seen/heard!
SnypaStudios 1 year ago
Beautifully done!
KutWrite 1 year ago
Nice sound/atmosphere.
Miika153 2 years ago
Hang on, you said that the minor pentatonic was with the 4th and the 7th omitted. Isn't that the rule for major pentatonic? I thought the minor pentatonic is with the 2 and the 6 omitted.
Treviun 2 years ago
A minor pentatonic = *C* major with 4th and 7th notes omitted.
The rest of what you said is right.
These topics are covered in the Pentatonic Lessons Course on the website.
-jc
johnhguitar 2 years ago
what kind of loop pedal were you using?
robbie13a 2 years ago
Boss Delay II
johnhguitar 2 years ago