Rep. Scalise: Enron Devised Cap-And-Trade Schemes

[ejdf870]

This is sickening. We've been brainwashed for decades to "be loyal" and serve the company, government, etc. What this film proves is that these rules have been put in place to benefit those in power. How convenient for the top dogs to tell me to 'stay in my place', while they reap HUGE financial rewards. I don't believe in any of this hypocritical crap. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I will take as much as I can and run before I die. Good thing I have good teachers.

[nyteaparty]

Al Gore is another corporate communist who wants to rape the taxpayer on phony bogus science to enrich himself.

[numbskullandy]

Of course it's the sun. That's why now the sun is in its least active since the last maunder minimum (i.e. record low sunspots) we are experiencing cooling. Astrophysicists who are not part of the IPCC have been saying this for years, and they have published original unfudged data showing correlation between solar activity and climate. Only the IPCC claim the sun's influence is negligible. We know the UN is corrupt (its record speaks for itself). The UN funds the IPCC. You do the math.

[1GUNSQUIRREL]

planet x is on its way the whole solar system is heating up global warming is real but not from suv or cow farts.......

[Kenzofeis]

As an example of how things works sometimes, and how much "authorities" can be trusted:

In Norway (oil producing high-cost socialist-capitalist country of ~5mill. people) there is a lot of farces going on, but one trick played was that "to save the enviromnent people must now buy diesel cars so we make those cheaper to have" and after people bought diesel cars Crazy Ivan appeared and "diesel cars pollute so much that we must tax them extra hard".

[shartne]

Cap and Trade a scheme devised to tax the Hell out of unsuspecting Americans by Wallstreet and big corperations.

[joygarner]

Al Gore: "I, I, I, I, I don't uhm, uhm know"

Yeah, the heats on NOW isn't it Gore? You're being SUED for FRAUD by the founder of the weather channel, (along with over 31K other scientists) for spreading the LIE that Co2 causes climate change. IT DOES NOT CAUSE IT! The Cap and Trade bill will NOT reduce REAL pollution! It's just another TAX, and it puts the BIGGEST POLLUTERS in CONTROL of this Nation!

[LeGioNoFZioN]

If Al Gore wasn't full of shit he would debate scientists that differ and find his position isn't supported by facts, but he has refused to, even if the money raised would go to his "cause". That is how you can tell someone who doesn't know what they claim to know, when they can't engage in honest debate about what they are selling. Al Gore is simply a salesman, selling a plan, not to actually reduce pollution and chemicals we should worry about, no his plan is to lessen CO2, a necessary gas

[roborob676]

If your gonna be on the bandwagon you'de better get the current terminolgy right.. Even your drone buddies know the earth is in a cooling cycle right now

[greyflcn]

re: roborob678 ==Even your drone buddies know the earth is in a cooling cycle right now== According to who? David Archibald, with only 6 stations, a buttload of spelling errors, published in a scientific tabloid? greyfalcon. net/ archibald greyfalcon. net/ archibald2 Or are you talking about the 2008 La Nina event? greyfalcon. net/ lanina greyfalcon. net/ elnino greyfalcon. net/ rsstemps2.png greyfalcon. net/ enso.png Or are you talking about the Spencer thing? greyfalcon. net/ spencer

[LeGioNoFZioN]

you never stop do you ?

[greyflcn]

re: LegionOfZion

Well you never stop acting like rhetorical debate infront of a live audience, and scientific debate on the pages of peer reviewed physical science journals are the same thing ;D

As if reality is merely a matter of who has a better sales pitch.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

so my outlandish behaviour justifies your own ? I'm not so sure about the soundness of that logic.

My point with Gore, is he is a liar, hypocrit and a profiteer. I read and listen to folks like David Suzuki who actually has a track record that supports his claims, and when I come back to Gore, I'm incredulous. I just don't understand how ANYONE could fall for someone who looks and sounds so disingenuous, and whose actions do not support his words.

[greyflcn]

re: legionofzion

For the sake of argument, lets assume that Gore is the worst person in the world.

Now what does that he have to do with the validity of climate science?

Now if you disagree with the specific policy proposal he's advocating for, that I can understand.

But the fundamental science isn't automatically invalid, merely because you don't like the political implications.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

Gore being a liar doesn't directly affect anything about climate change, except the people who ONLY listen to Al Gore and thus are relying on specious information, I would go a step further and inject misinformation.

I do reject his policy approaches since those are the the roots of his corruption, and attempts to profit off of this crisis.

I'm not a knuckle dragging skeptic, like I said I have followed David Suzkui's reasoning most of my entire life......

[greyflcn]

re: legionofzion

Well if climate change were linear, then I'd probably agree with you. The scary part is dealing with is non-linear warming.

In particular, the scariest thing to me would gigantic oceanic stockpiles of frozen methane.

In the form of what's called methane clathrates.

Just a tiny percent of which would put thermonuclear holocaust to shame.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

I am aware, and I did a report on it in the late 80's to early 90's, my source was a greenpeace piece in I think MacLean's or another major Canadian publication. At the time I was terrified to learn of the potential fallout. In the article the greenpeace official used strong suggestive language and ended with a calculation that if we didn't stop our polluting by the year 2000, we would reacha "critical mass" of sorts......

[LeGioNoFZioN]

... and the warming would be irreversible, and by 2005-2010 we would see massive flooding. I argued with my very conservative West Indian father for days about it afterwards convinced the article was 100% right and he is wrong. yet the article prooved to be far less prophetic than I or my report admitted. My skepticism is born of many reports I read and agreed with only to find their findings off when time came due. while I appreciate the potential for danger ......

[LeGioNoFZioN]

... to both humans and animals, as well as our eco systems, I am equally appreciative of mans tendancy to pronounce as absolute things of which he barely understands. I don't think humanity does understand the complicated process of climate and its changes and cycles of change fully enough to predict anything. I await convincing science to determine what will happen. the end result should certainly be primary in concern to how we move next, and we don't know that yet.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

.... but I do remain skeptical mostly from personal experience growing up, being very much a self identified environmentalist. And to a lesser degree your video, that I touched on before. If anything the area I find myself most out of lockstep with the majority is what to do about climate change. After viewing your video, and applying its logic to preventative vs adaptive measures, I find myself highly skeptical of attempts to prevent strictly.

[Kenzofeis]

The "science" behind the global warming hysteria is so questionable, and so tunnelvisoned, and so biased, that many scientists have left that carousel in protest, and many others have presented counterweight evidence or indications and many of those have experienced problems (like what often happens when scientists 'step outside the cage')..

Al Gore himself have made a lot of money off this and bought another mansion.

[greyflcn]

re: Kenzofeis

You know I was going to respond seriously to you.

Then I checked your user channel and noticed you're a conspiracy theorist.

For that you only get boiler plate.

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[Kenzofeis]

He he ... almost difficult to respond to such a dumb uttering as yours.

Insult not taken, I sense it is what you attempt.

Go grow a brain will you.

[greyflcn]

Well here's a simple one then. Would you care to explain what is the physical mechanism that has caused the warming over the past 3 decades?

Since we can be pretty damned sure it isn't the sun.

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[Kenzofeis]

How can you be sure it's not the sun?

The sun is by far the most powerful thing in the neighbourhood, there is warming on the other planets too, think ionization and plasma and you are getting closer..

Did you know that NASA discovered recently to their surprise that the ionosphere was much lower than they expected? At the same time as a general cooling was registered?

You know why?

More incoming ions peps up the ionosphere so it rises, these ions also makes more clouds by "seeding".

[Kenzofeis]

More clouds means a rise in ground level temperature, as anyone in polar areas will know from winterly weather-changes, the clouds will act as a "lid" and reflect heat back down, in more tropical or desert areas you may observe that, and the opposite; at night the clouds make it warmer at ground level, in day time they will reflect incoming heat form the sun somewhat..

Incoming particles hits molecules and ionize them so that they act like condensation cores for water.

[Kenzofeis]

So, we could deduce that the incoming radiation, or ion flux, was lessened, the ionosphere "relaxed", there was less clouding, the ground level cooled a bit.

[greyflcn]

Incidentally, what you're talking about is Henrik Svensmark's pet theory.

He's been proven wrong 4 times so far.

Each time, different methods, but always the same conclusion.

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And as for the "ions" thing, what he was arguing is that ions on smog can create airborne dust. Catch being they are too small to create droplets, and theres no indication it would be any more signfiicant than other dust/salt spray.

Not to mention, no correlation.

[Kenzofeis]

Did you also know that they have found soot to be a, if not the most important, contributor to melting glaciers, also in the arctic regions? Soot particles.

You ignore what i said about the NASA finding?

[Kenzofeis]

By the way, do you know how a cloud chamber works?

[greyflcn]

re: Cloud chamber?

To be honest, not entirely, however this guy seems to know a bit about it.

greyfalcon. net/ cloudchamber

So what was the purpose of that rhetorical question?

[Kenzofeis]

They work like this: a vapour is kept at "the edge" of condensing, when an ionizing so-called particle (not UV, UV is not particles) ventures through this vapour it makes droplet trails or "cloud streams".. they will not last, but given a constant stream of 'venturers' you will have a thin cloudiness, overall

[greyflcn]

So a low ionosphere would indicate a lack of ultraviolet radiation. Or more generally weak solar output.

And the sun's been having weak solar output for nearly 2 decades now.

greyfalcon. net/ solar0.png

And in particular we've had the usual slow drop from the ~11 solar cycle.

greyfalcon. net/ sunspots

Are you trying to correlate that with the dramatic plummet in temperatures for 2008?

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[LeGioNoFZioN]

that said I still prefer the idea of adapting to clmiate change over trying to prevent it and I have to thank you for your presentation. It was your presentation that made me think about the issue so deeply, and abandon the position I held previously, which was at the time much more in line with David Suzuki's.

[revelwoodie]

To all the climate change skeptics in this thread: You have no idea how stupid you sound. You remind me of those people in the 70s who went on and on and on about how there was no proof that cigarettes caused cancer, and it was all just propaganda to justify new taxes. They were listening to industry propaganda, and so are you. You look like a bunch of fools.

To the rest of us: Let's stop arguing with these people. They won't be convinced, but eventually they'll go away.

[wayindie]

i know i cannot believe that these morons don't use logic/scientific data to make decisions.

they use emotions, and political agendas to form their stances.

go to skepticalscience to see how easily people are mislead and how this happens.

i'm working with hydrologists on a project here in the desert, studying water management practices. they also have been studying climate change effects due to global warming too & the rapid changes that vary from any other models before.

[roborob676]

Nah, sorry.. just employing common sense. I have an open mind, but when blaming every climactic event, normal or extreme,on global warming, err,oh sorry, climate change... You anticapitolist ought to know a scam when you see it.. Ask big Al what his carbon footprint is.. Oh sorry, he only gets to tell US how to live...

[taoofmichael]

You are a big pro-capitalist are you? You like this laisse-faire capitalism that led to credit default swaps and betting with borrowed money, and then THE WORKING PEOPLE paying off the gambling debts. Gotta love capitalism!!

We need to keep on burning Saudi Arabian oil as long as possible, and extracting coal by blowing the tops off mountains, and burning it. Fuck clean solar, wind and geo-thermal power! ITS A COMMUNIST PLOT TO TAKE AWAY MY HUMMER!!!

Its not name calling. You really are stupid.

[roborob676]

I have no time to educate you on what caused this crisis.. frankly your ignorance is begining to bore me

[VigilantnotMilitant]

He's right Cap and Trade is an inferior method of price signaling carbon than taxing it outright. It's time to tax green house gases starting with carbon pollution!

[burtpelt]

I can't believe MY representative  ( Scalise ) is WASTING time like this ! He will NOT last in Congress I predict. Al Gore is a great man!! Scalise is the worst of the worst politician.

[roborob676]

A great man? when all this "sky is falling" rhetoric is proven to be just a bunch of politically motivated socialist inducing hype.. Al Gore will be shown to be the true fool...

[burtpelt]

I can tell you don't like all those detail FACTs. Unfortunately for all of us, Al Gore is BEING vindicated NOW ... Climate Change IS occurring.

But since you would prefer to ignore the FACTS, I just have 1 question ... would you like to buy some land in deep south Louisiana .. near the disappearing COASTLINE ? Great Deal! But you have to buy it AS-IS.. ok?

[roborob676]

HA,,, you cant be serious? vidicated? listen, If the climate didnt change,then we'd have a problem.. The fact is climated always change.. its just not man made.. Much of louisiana is under sea level so am i surprised that the coasline is shrinking? I'd be suprised if it wasnt..

[Bosco239]

To Roborob and other Creationist,

See ". Climate Change -- the scientific debate".

Anyone else confused by Global Warming and the science attached please watch.

[grumpherys]

Are you serious? I mean, really? Do you think because one man is setting himself up to be in a better position that ... you... can claim not only climate change to be false, but that its socialist... and just hype... Do you know anything about the facts? Anything at all? whats socialism to you, and what does heightened hirricane activity, and increased snowing in Las Vegas mean to you? how about melting glaciers or does climate "change" only have to be warming? it means change and chaos. Really?

[roborob676]

Facts?.. You want facts? there has been no increase in hurricane activity... we were in a warming period from around 1984 to around 99, and now in a slight cooling period from 1999 til present.. the climate has always been changing,and will always change, but this "earth is doomed" crap is insane.. Iam sorry, but the debate is NOT over just because these alarmist refuse to do so.. These changes are no man made...

[taoofmichael]

Why didnt they leave in Gore's answer?

[roborob676]

Because Gore's answer was full of uhhs and ahhs and he got really upset over the fact that someone had the nerve to question his ethics.. Remember, it is against the rules to debate this issue..

[taoofmichael]

Against the rules? To debate whether or not global heating is real? Naaahh, go ahead.

While we're at it, lets debate whether Noah could get all those species on the ark -- and whether the origin of diverse languages can be traced to the Tower of Babel.

Lets debate whether the earth is 6000 years old. Or whether or not Sarah Palin would make a good president. Jeez you Republicans are stupid.

[taoofmichael]

Hey roborob!

Remember the movie Easy Rider, when the country hicks shoot Dennis Hopper off his American-made Harley, because he is a long-haired hippy?

NOW ALL THE HICKS HAVE LONG HAIR (and blond streaks, which Dennis Hopper never would have done.) My point?

All you Republican hicks WILL EVENTUALLY GET WITH IT -- IN 30 YEARS, when its way out of style. And you'll do it in the faggiest way possible (see Keith Urban, Billy Ray Cyrus.)

Get on the Soul Train now brother! Why wait 30 years?

[roborob676]

Thats it.. thats how libs debate.. just start name calling.

[marniespeaks]

Al Gore is a fraud

[WKaliberr]

Lady GaGa

[ZejithThemis]

completely threw gore for a loop. he didn't see it coming, didn't know where to go. "didn't know him well enough to call him kenny boy"

irrelevant, skirting the question and stammering.

i'd just finished commenting on other vid that cap and trade is a scam, gore's reaction reinforced my conviction.

[oolong2]

Let me guess...  Bill Ayers who is an unrepentant domestic terrorist also endorses this cap n trade "scheme".

Jeez... Are republicans even capable of arguing the merits of an idea without running a smear campaign?

[cArNiVal015]

bahaha no, they are not capable

[proadmin1]

Good God, cap and trade concepts have been discussed since the 1970's. It's exactly how we've mitigated other atmospheric concerns, like SO4 and CFC's.

It's worked before, it will work again, these guys complain about it it will kill them, until their forced to do it, and then complain until someone points out that things worked and then - oh - we thought of that back in the day - freaking amazing, where do these short sighted guys get jobs!?

[carrierexchange]

Republicans, helping America move forward.. not.

[MooseOfReason]

I know TPM likes to keep their clips short, which is nice, but Gore's response was very short.

"Enron didn't create this proposal in any way shape or form. That's a false accusation."

You can watch it here:

cpEcPFSEIwQ#t=6m32s

That should go to the part of the video where Gore gives his answer.

[mikebee02]

What a shitty editing job.

[KataVideo]

TPM, I would have liked to hear Al Gore's response

[KevinHallShow]

TPM would do better to have the full responses. I don't know if they know this, but they can have segments as long as they would like. They don't have to worry about hard commercial breaks or anything. It would have been nice to have heard Gore's response.

[kakahass]

gore is so full of shit... " A A A I DONT KNOW!" lol

[milkgodnl]

Is that all the republicans have? ..

.. an ad personem argument against a particular energy policy?

.. and Scalise is talking about "the little guy" when Loisiana is in the pocket of the big oil companies?

If we allowed Scalise's ad personem argument, no Congressman from Texas, Louisiana, or Oklahoma should be recognized by the Chair, since their views too would be tainted by the oil lobby.

[junkforkaryn]

i love you cowardly rats jumping the 2 party ship thinking you're a smarty pants now that you've got the pole holding the fence up your asses. "libertarian populists"??hahahahaha.....goo­d for you, nimnuts, you no longer have ANY power. let the people decide? the people are too STUPID to decide!!

[kcp12304]

his logic is impeccable

/s

[swimdude909]

Why does he keep calling it a scheme? I am guessing he would also have to say that Social Security is a scheme as well, then... I also find it funny how Gore is completely bewildered by the idiocy of the questions.

[jmjfanss]

And the two party system is full of shit to me, I'm glad I'm no longer a democrat, I'm a libertarian populist now, I Don't give a shit about the two party system now.

[jmjfanss]

And cap and trade system will drive the ecomony down to an even more toliet.

Get the government out of your life and let the market decide this.

[davis80smusic]

where were you for the last eight years? the market fucked up - and you want eight more years just like that? christ!

[jmjfanss]

Both parties have destroyed this country, both the republicans and the democrats.

[EntropyGuardian]

Yes let the market decide how much to pollute the air. Great idea.

[jmjfanss]

Government should stay out of people's lives, because big government is killing this country, let the people and the market decide what's best for our energy, not the government.

[kcp12304]

Saudi oil for everyone

[EntropyGuardian]

Yes, corporate anarchy. Great idea Ayn Rand. Government shouldn't protect people from abusive corporations "let the market decide". More lead in products, legalization of child labor, no safety regulations, slave wages... hell, the industrial revolution was so fun the first time let's do it again.

[jmjfanss]

Both parties are destroying this country, get the government and the corporations out of the way and let the people decide.

[davis80smusic]

how? dress in black and burn everything down? seriously, sounds like you have given up - so what's your point?

[jmjfanss]

Both parties will still destroy this country.

[davis80smusic]

i get it - I understand your point of view - what is your suggestion? - it's got to be more than "give it back to the people" - that not a suggestion, it's a slogan -

[kakahass]

Entropy: you really believe that government protects society from corporations??? you are naive buddy ..too naive- if you don't realize that governments actually work for corporations then you need to rethink your whole philosophy...hahah governments protecting people...what a joke!

[AshillaBeige]

If you look at ANY monopoly or abusive corporation, they always have friends in Washington. You'd like vids by this guy called confederalsocialist. he's really great and non-partisan.. largely because he's an anarchist. But here's an interesting vid he did

watch?v=ys3IMKCdIOs

[greyflcn]

re: jmjfanss

==Get the government out of your life and let the market decide this.==

Fair enough, but how is the market supposed to "decide" if atmospheric pollution is free and unrestricted?

[jmjfanss]

Because we have strict property rights, that's what ron paul said.

[greyflcn]

re: jmjfanss

==Because we have strict property rights, that's what ron paul said.==

And who owns the earth's atmosphere?

[jmjfanss]

We the people do, not the government and big business

See ron paul enviornment.

[greyflcn]

And how are people supposed to influence the behavior of businesses, if the cost of pollution is not reflected in the cost of their products or services?

[greyflcn]

re: jmjfanss

The point being that Property law isn't a one-size-fits-all proposition.

"Common Pool Resources" are unique in that they don't really lend themselves well to individualist market principles.

Which usually means they fall into the category of, What the market can't handle by itself. i.e. a "market failure".

And one of the major reasons we have a federal government is to correct market failures.

[jmjfanss]

And sadly the federal government is also the big problem, because big government will make the situation worse, because the two party system is hurting americans badly.

I Don't want federal government controlling my life, I Want it out of my life/

[greyflcn]

re: jmjfanss

Well how about a thought experiment then.

Lets say all of the world's scientific institutions said that they were atleast 90% certain that a large meteor was going to hit the earth in 50 years.

What would be your response?

[jmjfanss]

I Say get the government out of the way.

[greyflcn]

re: jmjfanss

==I Say get the government out of the way. ==

So you're response would be to "Say no to big government"

Which is nice I guess, but we still go a meteor to deal with.

[jmjfanss]

I Say get rid of these U.S. Departments like the department of energy that are hurting this country.

[oolong2]

I'm sorry to have to say it, but...

The reason you have the privledges and freedoms that you have is because of GOVERNMENT.

The reason you can drive safely down the road is because of GOVERNMENT.

YES there are government policies that are annoying (like deciding who can marry), but blanket statements like wanting government "out of my life" is rediculous.

There are plenty of countries out there to choose from with "little governent", but trust me you won't like them...

[jmjfanss]

But ronald reagan said it best, government is not the solution to your problems, government is the problem.

and current government is the problem now, we are losing our freedoms and privledges.

[oolong2]

Who gives a rats ass what reagan said?

That statement is just as nonsensical no matter who says it. Try using your own thoughts and ideas.

Losing our freedoms is not the problem of "government" it's the problem of POLICY within the government you need to understand that.

Like I said feel free to go to some countries in africa, asia, and latin america that have very little government and then come back to me. You could try living in rural Mexico too. Very little government there...

[KidVolcano]

plenty of places with very lttle government are paradise. I submit rural Costa Rica and Fiji.

[hoosiermama5357libin]

Costa Rica was the first nation to abolish their army. Think how much we could save if we(US) did that. 4th highest inflation in South America. Have fun down there.

[oolong2]

Sure it's paradise, more so if you''ve already made your wealth in the US, Europe, etc.

But the natives in that area as well as Nicraragua and Ecuador have been plundured and abused for years (still is). Most live in poverty today. Why? because their GOVERNMENT sucked and offered them no protection.

It's a nice place for us rich americans to visit though...

Too bad costa rica's entire economy is based on servitude and tourism.

[jmjfanss]

Losing our freedoms is defintely the worst thing that america can do.

see the alex jones DVD's and you'll see.

The U.S. Government is the problem.

Reagan knew the truth and now is here.

We lost habeus corpses and many more of our freedoms.

[oolong2]

I HAVE watched Alex Jones, his movies and radio program. But guess what? I can listen to someone and not agree 100% with what they are saying. Why? Because I can think for myself.

Those in the government who have abused their power and gone beyond the authority granted within the constution and international law should be PROSECUTED!!!

That does not mean everything bad in this world is the government trying to "get you".

Appreciate what we have in this country as imperfect as it is.

[jmjfanss]

I Love my country, but I Do not love my government, because of the secret socities and the CFR.

I Can also think for myself, this country has been sold out since 1913 with the creation of the unconstitutional federal reserve and others since then have been unconstitutional.

[oolong2]

Your country *IS* your government. What do you love then? The landscape? LOL... Who do you think defines the society that you live in?

I think all the people trying to cross the GOVERNMENT border and immigrate here to our GOVERNMENT regulated lands would disagree with you.

YES you can dislike certain elements within the government (fed reserve, etc).

But to make a blanket statement like that is rediculous.

It just means you have no idea how good you have it here and that's sad.

[jmjfanss]

Yes I Love my country, but not my government and al gore is a NWO Shrill and a fraud.

I Don't like big government, it hurts the free market and makes things worse.

[VonSchnutze]

Is Scalise retarded?

[terpis]

Straight-up penalties for emissions is the alternative...wouldn't leave me weeping and tearing my hair.

And whatever happened to Van Jones? Why isn't he in on these discussions?

[JerezJulio]

The good old republicans, facts and or truth is irrelevant for them.

All they care about is how to produce a good hominem and avoid the issue.

How it is that the democrats allows these crackpot republicans to be part of so many important issues?

These obstructionists have only one goal and that is to derail everything, there people should be marginalize from all of the agendas.

[whoo689]

Uh, note to Rep. Scalise: Europe and many other areas have been doing cap and trade for quite a while now. It wasn't invented by Enron, you dolt.

[lefthanderla]

I don't think Enron stands to gain anything from this now.

[domulys]

i would like to have seen Gore's response

[TheManSand322]

I can't wait for the day when all these crooks are put to death

[RealCaptainAmerica]

That's like saying we shouldn't have laws because people will break them!

Yes, ENRON WAS CORRUPT. We still need a cap-and-trade system. Idiot.

[steeleye65]

Cap and Trade hasn't done any good in Europe. It has driven industry out of Europe and led to a catastrophic trading relationship with China. China doesn't have to control its emissions and will never have a cap and trade tax against their energy industry and manufacturers.

The free market and tax incentives from the federal government has spawned a robust wind energy industry in the US already. We need to develop the alternatives before we burn down the house we are living in.

[jmjfanss]

I Say get the government out of the way and drill oil here in the U.S., We have enough oil here than the middle east do.

[P3coTrain]

al gore is a criminal to humanity. cap and trade his ass!

[nomercyrules10]

is that two dr pepper cans behind him?

[notscooter952]

Wow. Good eye.

[TedinLasVegas]

NO! Those are DIET Dr. Pepper cans...

even better!

[PharaohNineD]

So it was VP Al Gore not VP Dick, Cheney who is the..., wait WTF!

[IIIJHUSSLEIII]

I love it!! GOD is paying close attention to what's going on in D.C.

THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!!

(Mark it down)

[ushadrons]

Shut the fuck up Scalise.

[swankrecords]

Oh sure Al Gore wants to wreck the US economy.

Like anyone would ever believe this coming from Rep Steve Scalise.

[BeondaPale]

People believe crap all the time. As long as it's repeated over and over - the main mod-us operandi of the GOP. People believe Glen Beck for cripes sake.

This is only the first utterance. It hasn't even gone into the slime echo chamber yet. Expect to hear about this fictitious Gore/Enron connection until you're nauseous

[Richardgwm]

See, if Enron had anything to do with it, it is clearly bad.

This is the level of thinking in the Republican party.

[atm94404]

I heard Enron had Christmas parties too. We must ban Christmas parties for all companies now because if Enron was involved in one, they all must be evil.

[gsuitter]

I think if any industry leaders are involved in writing legislation it should at least raise a warning flag. In the past bankers were deeply involved in writing legislation for both sides of the isle. Oil companies write legislation for both Democrats and Republicans. This may not bother you but I find it disturbing.

One thing is for sure. If Enron was involved in writing the legislation you can be sure they didn't have your best interest in mind.

[cpricejones]

everyone who talked to enron is guilty of something! of course! it makes perfect sense!

[Faisal4242]

ha first!! enron dead and gone!!