SLAUGHTERING PALESTINIANS AT A RATIO OF (8 to 1) YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THEN SAYING YOU ARE THE VICTIMS OF "TERRORISM" AND "ANTISEMITISM" IS SIMPLY LAUGHABLE BY ANY STANDARDS, LOGIC, RELIGION OR CREED!. NO EXCUSES ARE ACEPTABLE FOR THESE LEVELS OF US & UK SPONSORED STATE TERRORISM!. NOT EVEN THE JEWISH TORAH ALLOWS KILLING BEYOND AN EYE FOR AN EYE!
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i have a question: who is ashley sanders?" Ashley is the youth coordinator for the nader campaign and I not only think that her speech is eloquent but inspiring...I have listened to it several times
I agree with pretty much everything Nader says, but why does he only appear every 4 years? Where is his voice on important issues in between elections? Why doesn't he make the Green Party focus on local politics and congressional races that they could actually win? This would actually influence American politics rather convincing people to throw their vote away every 4 years. p.s. If you really think Obama and McCain are the same, you're dumb. McCain is awful.
Nader is a citizen activist that when rns for President, offers a consistent pragmatic platform that represents the majority of the people, and also teaches a new generation civic skills to become a citizen activist.
Considering how little coverage he gets during an election, he of course gets zero coveraage between elections, but he's always remained a citizen activist.
Trevor Lyman is the man who organized the Ron Paul money bombs. he wants to hold a third party debate in New York City. So, we all need to support Lyman's push for an alternative debate now. If Lyman gets 10,000 pledges by October 8, he and the other sponsors will organize a debate in New York City. Add your name to the pledge list.
If change is to come it must come by a majority collective effort on the part of the people. Since a majority of Americans do not think they will continue to fall for the bull fed to them by the 2 main parties and they will not change their collective vote to actually get what they are seeking. As it stands now, we are forced to vote the lesser of 2 evils. I really like Nader but a vote for him will take votes away from the lesser of 2 evils and we will end up with 4 years of the greater evil.
If a 3rd party had a vote for every time I heard that one...oh brother... you have truth or you don't ... you have good or you don't.... Obama or McCain is lose/lose... My voice will be heard when I say NO to both!
THEY will never listen to us until we prove that we are not willing to vote for them and we don't need instant runoff voting for our voice to be heard..YOUR VOICE WILLNEVER BE HEARD when you concede and resign to the 2 party dictatorship
vote nader or any of the other 3rd party candidates and get justice... [McObamain] is not a choice I choose to make..Understand this that anyone that votes for Nader does not think that McCain is less evil than Obama and that is okay...BUT they also don't think that Obama is less evil than McCain ...We have his our breaking point ENOUGH is ENOUGH...injustice is wrong...period...why are you so complacent when you could have what you want but don't take it!?!?!?
no, nader did not screw up 2000, those that voted for nader in 2000 rejected al gore, understand this, they rejected both bush and gore...as do I... I wouldn't vote if there were not 4 other options besides the two major party dictatorship candidates. they pulvorized nader in 04 for saying there is no difference and the democrats spent the last for years proving he is right...they voted for every war appropriation...they voted for the renewal of the patriot act...I reject [McObamain]
@Rosetteismyname Of course not, the Supreme Court screwed us. It should have gone to the House of Representatives. Gore himself even said he lost because of the electoral college.
Vote1a: No, Nader did not screw us in 2000...what was done in 2000 were several illegal things like 57,000 registered democrats were labeled criminals by a corporation and not allowed to vote. Al Gore has said that he should of won his home state...
Great argument... I think most people who are somewhat competent have become tired of second rate politics.
Why not focus your energy on passing Instantaneous Runoff Voting (IRV). If we pass IRV people can feel free to choose their favorite candidates without worrying about losing their votes.
check out on votenader(dot)org's issues page 'electoral reform' you'll find information about instant run off voting. btw, i think matt gonzalez is there for his electoral reform ideas in the first place..
You are quite correct, however that doesn't detract in the least from the fact that a majority will not vote for Nader no matter how perfect a President he would be. That leaves this up to statistics.
As it stands now, we are forced to vote the lesser of 2 evils. I really like Nader but a vote for him will take votes away from the lesser of 2 evils and we will end up with 4 years of the greater evil.
It's a matter of statistical probability. There is no "Blame" involved.
No Republican will vote for Nader. This is going to be a close race and if a majority vote doesn't go to SOMEONE other than McPalin we will end up with McPalin. If the Democrats and independents are not acting together we will end up with a Republican President. Dividing them is not the solution. It's unfortunate that so many Americans are too ignorant to see that Nader would be best, but that is the reality of it.
I want Nader to be President, but the fact that he would be best for the people of this country, The People ARE the Country and not just its geography, automatically disqualifies him to be President. He's not willing to let Corporations run things and go unregulated. Since Corporations run this country they get what they want.
Souless...If Nader had a vote for each time that someone like you stated, "I want Nader to be President,BUT...." But ---- blah blah blah...excuse excuse excuse...If you didn't just claim to be informed and you actually were than you would take your comments elsewhere
Again, Please see the video on Instant Runoff Voting. It explains perfectly why a third party vote is most likely going into the trash. This isn't about excuses it's about reality. As long as we have plurality voting a third party causes problems.
Souless: If Nader had a vote 4 every time someone said, "I want Nader to be President, but...[insert excuse here]" If these people voted 4 who they wanted then at the least, the politicians would have 2 listen 2 the people. Because they won't ever listen to us until we prove that we are not willing to listen to them. At the most, a candidate we wanted would win instead of a corp. dictator. McCain or Obama is equal to lose/lose
"Politics isn't what politicians do, it is what people do"
You're naive if you think that corporations would allow anyone that isn't in their pocket to be President. It's not a matter of what we want. The Corporate Oligarchy must be eliminated before the people have power again. Look at the corporate bailout. They make tons of money off stuff like that. Government is their cash cow don't kid yourself that they would let it go without a fight, and when I say fight I mean police state.
Soulless: You're ill-informed if U think that corporations have the power.OUR PEOPLE have it-But politics is also NOT what corporations do, it is what people do.U R part of the problem when U disapprove of 2 candidates & vote 4 R or D. "The corporate oligarchy must be eliminated before..." So the strategy is "to vote 4 people who [WON'T] give you want you want" and then just protest...?!? When it is lose/lose vote 4 justice & what is right while we still have that 1st amendment right
There are all sorts of 'Conservatives' and it's not a very telling term to use to describe someone. Nader is more economically conservative but he's been made to seem otherwise by the R & D economic liberals. Nader is more liberal socially but the R & D have turned that into a bad thing since the R & D are so authoritarian. That's why they turn so many social issues into talking points. That's why change must begin with education. The R & D will win as long as they make the definitions.
There R SOME republicans that will vote 4 another 3rd party candidate, like Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr. U R wrong about a "statistical probability" Statistics would show that the 4 candidates involved in the Campaign for liberty represent the people. Understand I REJECT Obama-even as a black female--I could vote 4 Cynthia McKinney, or Nader. Understand this, if U do not prove that U R not willing to vote for them than they never have to listen to U. I will never vote for [McObamain]
Apparently you don't seem to understand that most Americans are too stupid and/or ignorant to realize that they would get where they say they want to go by voting for Nader. Instead they will continue to vote Rep. or Dem. and as you and I know the Rep. and the Dem. are only marginally different. If we don't take the time to educate these other people who don't know better they're not going to do anything different than they always have.
If U & I agree then comment on another video..b/c "if you've resigned yourself to believe that our burreacarcy is stronger than we are, [that our system is stronger than we are] than you are more bought than our politicians"
You don't have to take my word for it. Here on YouTube is a video on "Instant Runoff Voting" it explains perfectly what the problem with the current voting system is and how it can be corrected. I implore you to see it. It's the first video that comes up if you search this site for "Instant Runoff Voting". Every American needs to see that video. It's only 3 minutes 10 minutes long.
A vote for Nader is a Republican vote. Sorry that is the system ..it sucks..but that's the reality right now. Start a grassroots party at local level and state level and start making a difference there.
Look here Missy, we are a stones throw away from even being able to protest in the street, or even having a fraud free election. See H.R. 1955 and S.B. 1959. Vote Nader
I called this number for AT&T 1-800-283-6407It is the corporate number.I spoke to a very nice woman who said she is taking names of everone who calls in to ask that the debates be opened up to the 3rd parties.And if they get enough people call in they will seriously consider opening up the debates!AT&T is the big money Corporation that controls both the parties and they control and sponsor the debates. They make the rules on who can debate. Please call for Democracy
Kind of a no-brainer America. Stand up to the thieves and bullies who control you and Vote Nader in '08. Chavez is not the evil man Your leaders lead you to believe. He took control over HIS Country for HIS people by kicking out greedy American oil barrons, knowing the sacrifice he was making for the people of Venezuela. Now, if only Canada could do the same.
High Noon Report 8.17.08 YouTube Vote Totals Obama-87,059, 1 day inc. 577 Ron Paul-53,466, 1 day inc. 28 Grandpa McCain-20,206, 1 day inc. 186 Bob Barr-4,080, 1 day inc. 3 Ralph Nader-2,222, 1 day inc. 40 Cynthia McKinney-377, 1 day inc. 4 Barr has apparently imploded if McKinney can get more votes in 1 day.
She's bright and articulate, like Mr. Nader. How can anyone stomach Obama's condescending tone and hollow political talk after listening to Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez and Ashley.
High Noon Report 8.15.08 YouTube Votes Obama-85,894, 1 day inc.529 Ron Paul-53,407, 1 day inc.22 Grandpa McCain-19,816, 1day inc.217 Bob Barr-4,063, 1 day inc.5 Ralph Nader-2,182, 1 day inc. 17 Cynthia McKinney-370, 1 day inc. 4 Nader Bump from Paul press conference over.Barr has tanked. McKinney consistent
High Noon Report 8.14.08 YouTube Supporter Votes Obama 85,365, 1 day inc. 408 Ron Paul 53,345, 1 day inc. 40 Grandpa McCain 19,599, 1 day inc. 285 Bob Barr 4,058, 1 day inc. 6 Ralph Nader 2,105, 1 day inc. 12 Cynthia McKinney 1 day inc. 4 You would think that Nader would be able to surpass at least Bob Barr in supporter votes. That might be a good goal. What do you folks think?
excellent speech. you could have also discussed the irony that obama was the anti-war candidate, and he actually wants to INCREASE the pentagon budget- but there is only so much one can do in 8 minutes. Thanks from tucson az
"The Democratic Party has become the party of Perpetual Plan B... Progressive Voters are consequently in a state of perpetual contradiction voting against the people who have the platforms that they stand for...
This apparently is our golden strategy...vote for a candidate who can't give you what you want..."
It's absolutely disgusting.....People, don't Be part of the problem, be part of the Solution!
A VOTE 4 THE DUOPOLY HELPS NO ONE BUT HURTS EVERYONE!
If you listen to NPR, ask them to provide more coverage for third party candidates because apparently they think they are providing enough coverage to them (yeah right): npr(dot)org/ombudsman/2008/07/covering_thirdparty_candidates.html
Although I should acknowledge that not all democrats are like that. I think particularly at the local level, there are plenty of good democratic candidates because it's easier to do grassroots campaigning. At the national level, there is Kucinich for example, but he is a rarity in the democratic party.
Couldn't agree more with 0613162k, danthro, and kacytron; while at the same time disagree more with writemrbond.
Regarding writemrbond's rhetorical question, how can one provide an answer to a poorly posed question, why can you only save 4? Maybe it's like the typical democratic party 'solution' to a problem; don't really tackle the problem and try to save the 5th, better save your own skin and only save 4.
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If you vote for Nader, you will be just as responsible for the wars and enviornmental destruction that McCain will do as those who vote for McCain. And if you voted for Nader in 2000, all the deaths in Iraq and all the environmental problems we have caused are your fault. You cannot change things if you just throw your vote away. I am more radical than any of you guys, but I am also realistic. If you have 5 kids in a burning house, and you can only save 4 of them, what would you do? Nothing?
it has been eight years. eight years of denial and blame. why are the democrats not at fault? why did the democratic candidate of 2000, (also 2004, and now in 2008) not pick more progressive platforms on which to run?
why did the democratic candidate take money from large corporate interests? why did the democratic candidate not win his home state in the 2000 election that would have secured his win? why did the 250,000 registered democrats in florida choose not to vote and a large number of other democrats in florida choose to vote for the republican candidate?
Nice try. Voting for a Democrat actually mandates continued occupation in Iraq, redeployment not withdrawl of troops to increased war in Afghanistan and a new war in Pakistan. Hypocrtical threats to Iran. Increased military expansion when US is in debt, and continued military aid to Israel illegally occupying Palestine to pander to AIPAC.Wheras voting for Nader or McKinney, writing in Kucinich, Gravel or Ron Paul, gives no such mandate to the Democrat & Republican to continue war with your vote
Oh, so the Dems who were elected into a Congressional majority in '06 with a mandate to end the war and hold the Bush Admin accountable are not responsible. The Dems had the power to end the war by now but havent'. (continued in next comment)
Without the Dems help, the PATRIOT Act wouldn't have been reauthorized, FISA telecom immunity getting rid of our right to privacy wouldn't have been passed, and that's just for starters of all the ways the Dems have helped Bush achieve his biggest priorities. And then they turn around and blame the one guy who has the gall to call them on it when it matters?! Shame.
Enough of the rubbish from the Democrats. You're doing nothing to address the "growth economy" and the militarism that supports it. Doing too little for the environment and for needy people. If you don't win it's your own fault. Quit blaming others for your failures.
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Nader supporters are such phonies! The dems have HR 676 Conyers' "Medicare for All Act" in Congress blocked by republicans and W since 2003!!! "What movement has ever succeded waiting for Washington politicians?" OMG, Reagan couldn't have said it better! I tell u what movement sweetiepie: the PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT, Spinderella! Look it up, Robert La Follett: improve the human condition through GOVERNMENT POLICES! not streetfights but elected office, Teddy and FDR are rolling in their graves!
Election laws have changed drastically since Senator La Follette's day. It is almost impossible for a progressive candidate to be elected to a national position in many states. Also, when the current Dem presidential candidate won't support a bill like HR 676, that's not a good sign.
I say that by voting for the rep-dems, you are throwing yet another chance to break the two party duopoly/monopoly. The only way that one can 'waste his/her vote' [LOL] is by NOT VOTING AT ALL! ...not by not voting for your guy. reps get the dumb and selfish vote. dems get the dumb and gullible vote. a vote for the rep-dems is a vote for continued corporatism.
'convince the police to beat the crap out of innocent people' and 'convince the country to put a Republican in the White House and continue the war.
(As far as I'm concerned, the best was to distinguish between violent groups of protesters and non-violent groups of protesters is to look at how much violence they engage in.
re create 68 reject government altogether having spoken to 1 of those members. He told me the good don't need law & the bad only breakk it. A sentiment many share.
However, we're not part of that movement. We'll be having a Super rally in Denver protesting the wars, corporate control, and exclusion of third parties from debates even though a recent zogby poll showed 50% of Americans want Nader and Barr in the debates.
Either way no protestor should fear electric stun devices.
"Riots in Denver at the Democrat convention would see to it we don't elect Democrats. And that's the best damn thing (that) could happen for this country as far as anything I can think." --Rush Limbaugh
You've probably written 10+ comments on the Nader/ Gonzalez youtube videos which is fine with us even if we disagree as it's free speech.But how would you feel if they decided to delete every negative comment you made against policies and the candidates themselves.
Would you call that free speech?
The answer is NO. That's censorship, and that's what's happening on Obama & Hillary's youtube page & happening at Denver by suppressing peace protestors with threat of cages & electric stun devices.
That's not accurate. Many people wouldn't vote at all if there was no third party or independent candidate to vote for. And how about the Republicans that support Nader?
Doggie treats have to be earned. We're talking about life and death here.
The world doesn't need more war and torture. The next President is probably either going to be Obama or McCain and I want to be a part of that decision-making process.
Republicans torture. For Democrats, torture is inconceivable. To be on the sidelines of a debate like that is childish. To be unable to see the difference is either blindness or madness.
The Democrats have no credibility on torture. If they are againsttorture, then why are they setting up a mimi Guantanamo of cages and electric stun devices for peace protestors in Denver.
I think all serious candidates should have been allowed to debate in prime time, including Nader. But the reality is there were some Americans who didn't even watch the dem and rep debates.
If debates get lower ratings than Married With Children, that's EVERYBODY'S fault.
You're lucky the Nader/ Gonzalez campaign belives in free speech and net neutrality as otherwise you wouldn't have been able to make one comment.
The Obama and Hillary campaign deletes all comments I've made against their plans of military expansion, contined occupation in Iraq, accelerating war in afghanistan and Pakistan, and threatning Iran.Notice they only have positive comments on their poage.
That's why it's important to support candidates who belive in free speech.
It's just slander to say that the Democrats are happy about any violent protesters or any violent Denver police officers.
Even the helmets will distract the media from the real story. An opportunity for America's most effective progressive party to give everybody an update on what it stands for now.
if mccain wins, it's the democrats fault for not voting for nader!
besides, our democratic congress won't put up with any of this acting like GWB business, right? oh wait, they fully support everything GWB does!! if obama supports GWB and he is elected, how are things not going to just be business as usual?
i'll go to the polls, but if my candidate is not on it, i won't vote for president and answer everything else. oh yeah, where i live there's only 2 choices and write-ins void the ballot...
Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot in 2008 actually helps Barack Obama
Obama's supporters are more loyal than McCain's. In the most recent NBC/WSJ Poll, only 5% of his supporters jump ship when the poll question is opened up to four choices (Nader/Barr/McCain/Obama), whereas 10% of McCain's do.
Many Hillary supporters (half according to the most recent NBC/WSJ poll) do not want to vote for Obama. With Nader on the ballot, they have another choice to lodge their vote with other than McCain.
By slicing off a few progressive voters, Nader is actually pushing the Democratic Party further toward the center in order to get the 50% plus one of the remaining voters that it needs in order to stop McCain.
Thanks a whole lot.
Are Nader supporters having trouble with math? "Math is unfair! It's biased against third parties!" Great. Brilliant.
do you support Obama?? You are against gay marriage,support a "bump up" in defense spending,support FISA (do you even know what that is???), you support funding the war and of course you are against a single payer health care system...them obama is YOUR man. Have fun at your party in Denver. Sounds like the right wins either way,no?
What makes you think Obama will end the war he votes to fund? What makes you think the Democratic congress will stop funding the war they support? Are you blinded by the lie?
The way I see it Gore cost Nader the election. Anyway, after 9/11 Gore supported the war in Iraq (Did you even know that???, do you read the news??)...while Nader was against it. (and is against funding it). Peace :-)
Why should Nader endorse Gore this year? The man isn't even running for office. Ralph Nader didn't divide the progressive vote, the Democrats did that by trying to block him. If he had been allowed to debate and have unrestricted ballot access, then he would have won. That is why the Dems keep blocking him, they know they can't defeat him in a fair fight.
Because from the moment I became aware of him he has talked of nothing else but ending the war.
As a side note, if you read his speech about why we shouldn't go IN to Iraq in the first place in 2002, his analysis is so eerily accurate that he come across as some kind of Old Testament prophet.
Either he's a genius or his advisers are extremely knowledgeable or both.
1. I thought Congress was responsible for getting us into war in Iraq.
2. Bush stole the 2000 election(even Gore believes this).
3. Sure, Obama SAYS he's against the war, but he's also voted for every war funding bill. His own website admits that he won't fully withdraw our troops from Iraq.
4. In addition, Obama voted for telecom immunity(something he said he wouldn't do), and for the unconstitutional Patriot Act.
I think the message that we're currently sending to the world is that Americans would rather watch American Idol and listen to their iPods than be active participants in deciding their own fates.
I refuse to vote for anyone who doesn't support what I support. Why is that so difficult to accept? Your vote is the most powerful tool you have to make your government represent you. When the Democrats and Republicans know that you will vote for them no matter what, they don't have to listen to you.
What do you mean by you are helping us lose? Who is us? Do you mean the American people or the Democratic party? Believe it or not they aren't one in the same. The Democratic party has their interest, protecting itself and its largest campaign contributors, the corporations. The American people have their interest, namely seeing that their way of life is protected for them and future generations. The Democrats are just Republicans with better PR people.
So...you approve of his votes to fund the war?..hmmm... and I assume you agree with him when he says we need to spend more than the current administration on defense...hmmm....well he's your man, not mine. I'm a liberal who takes issue with his opposition to gay marriage and his support of FISA, by the way I wonder why you don't mention FISA. Could it be you don't know what that bill was that he supported???...hmmm....I'm voting for Nader. Peace
you are another person blind to the truth. Its people like you that make the two-party system going. If I take away from McCain or Obama good. They are both liars and on corporate budgets that favor the rich. I have heard close to 200 people say they would vote for Nader but it wouldn't count. Those people my friends are cowards who wont stand up for what is right and righteous. A government by the people, for the people. Your voice will be heard you just have to speak loud enough.
Not only does the party deliberatly exclude Nader from the debates, and has recently been revealed in 2004 they used taxpayers money to remove him off the ballot to disenfranchise his voters, but they even allowed exclusion of their own Democrat candidates Kucinich and Gravel from the debates this year. They were the only true progressives like Nader.
They are responsible for excluding the voice of progressives but demanding their votes.
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What Nader is offering is a way to feel really good about complete and utter failure--sort of like being in the Confederate Army. They accomplished nothing, but it gave them a chance to feel emo about it forever.
What shit.
Electing John McCain (by letting him win) is about THE WORST way of attempting to bring about Single Payer that I can possibly imagine.
Yeah, we need a pro war (suports funding) pro FISA (do you have a clue waht that is???) anti gay marriage,and a candidate who wants to "BUMP UP" denfense spending.( OG Yeah..OBAMA IS AGAINST SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE) Yep..thats what we need and Obama will do all those wonderful things for people JUST LIKE YOU. You are a fake.
Many if not most progressives - while we adore the socially-liberal views of Kucinich on certain issues - think people like him are being naive about things like foreign affairs. THAT'S why we don't back him.
It's not the case, for most of us I hope, that we agree with him 100% but think for political reasons we can't vote that way.
Everyone should think about joining the Green Party! We have grown around the world!
GreenPartyJustice 5 months ago
If only the idiot youth that supported Obama, were 1/24th as intelligent as her.
Jhunch1234 1 year ago
Wow. I LIVE in Utah. I have to meet his girl. Bahaha.
ZacharyOlpin 2 years ago
The worse things are getting, the better Nader is looking. It's pathetic that this country didn't give him a chance.
drex801 2 years ago 6
God, she is so correct about everything here on substance. She is also very attractive. Is she single?
PsychoPunk1965 2 years ago
Yes you did,
however my argument has substance. Every vote for Nader did not have any impact. Way to waste one of the most important American resources.
NUMBERONEMETSFAN 2 years ago
Just like every vote for McCain, Barr, and McKinney was wasted.
hoIycrack 2 years ago 2
Holy crack, the only vote wasted is the vote not used....
Rosetteismyname 2 years ago
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Every vote for Ralph Nader in 2008 was a waste of a vote.
NUMBERONEMETSFAN 3 years ago
That there were any was fucking awesome. There. I just totally invalidated your argument with an equally useless one. >:-p
metashifter 2 years ago
I love watching this video....
So great.
ellenloveseverything 3 years ago
it is inspiring...agreed...it is one of my first favorites when I first began watching yt...it is now on my fav of favs of vids for my channel
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
I voted for Ralph in 2000, 2004 & 2008 and NEVER regretted it !!!
NaderRaider 3 years ago 14
Turned 18 in 2006. Voted for Nader in 2008. Don't regret it.
themasteriswatching 2 years ago
Nader/Gonzalez '08
cutest4evr 3 years ago 2
Smart AND Beautiful. I'm a little bit in love.
BenjaminKatzVideos 3 years ago
Nader/Gonzalez '08
smartgirl63 3 years ago
Nader/Gonzalez '08
smartgirl63 3 years ago
Nader/Gonzalez '08
smartgirl63 3 years ago
Nader/Gonzalez '08
smartgirl63 3 years ago
There's no reason not to vote for Nader tomorrow, the election will be a blowout. I know I'll be marking Nader/Gonzalez!
sergiovontrudhe 3 years ago 5
charming : )
jpsartreny 3 years ago
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GreenSok 3 years ago
Nice speech Ashley...
I can't remember where or how, but I know she's an avid activist. Bright too.
horse1bun 3 years ago 3
what an eloquent speech.
i have a question: who is ashley sanders? i'm having trouble finding info on google.
paddedpencil 3 years ago 2
paddedpencil: "what an eloquent speech.
i have a question: who is ashley sanders?" Ashley is the youth coordinator for the nader campaign and I not only think that her speech is eloquent but inspiring...I have listened to it several times
purse88 3 years ago 3
I agree with pretty much everything Nader says, but why does he only appear every 4 years? Where is his voice on important issues in between elections? Why doesn't he make the Green Party focus on local politics and congressional races that they could actually win? This would actually influence American politics rather convincing people to throw their vote away every 4 years. p.s. If you really think Obama and McCain are the same, you're dumb. McCain is awful.
whalleybanger 3 years ago
Nader is a citizen activist that when rns for President, offers a consistent pragmatic platform that represents the majority of the people, and also teaches a new generation civic skills to become a citizen activist.
Considering how little coverage he gets during an election, he of course gets zero coveraage between elections, but he's always remained a citizen activist.
Watch youtube video entitled:
" Ralph Nader speaks at Nancy Pelosi's SF Office"
as an example.
0613162k 3 years ago 3
I agree tha McCain is awful. But both McCain and Obama voted for the 700 billion dollar bailout. Doesn't that makes them similar...NO REAL CHANGE!
Romeca69 3 years ago 2
NADER/Gonzalez = WE the PEOPLE
Democra/Republican parties = THEY the CORPORATION$
* The two headed Democrat and Republican monster is not
to be trusted as they've proven over and over!
* NO more PAY-or-DIE Healthcare $ystem!
We Want Single-Payer like Canada!
* "Spoiler" is a politically bigoted word used by the opposing parties to keep the independents out of the race.
* Vote NADER/Gonzalez and We The People CAN Win!
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relgstorm 3 years ago
If change is to come it must come by a majority collective effort on the part of the people. Since a majority of Americans do not think they will continue to fall for the bull fed to them by the 2 main parties and they will not change their collective vote to actually get what they are seeking. As it stands now, we are forced to vote the lesser of 2 evils. I really like Nader but a vote for him will take votes away from the lesser of 2 evils and we will end up with 4 years of the greater evil.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
If a 3rd party had a vote for every time I heard that one...oh brother... you have truth or you don't ... you have good or you don't.... Obama or McCain is lose/lose... My voice will be heard when I say NO to both!
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
Your voice is only heard if we have Instant Runoff Voting. At the moment we don't.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
THEY will never listen to us until we prove that we are not willing to vote for them and we don't need instant runoff voting for our voice to be heard..YOUR VOICE WILLNEVER BE HEARD when you concede and resign to the 2 party dictatorship
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
Vote Nader and get McPain, stupid.
Bl1vet 3 years ago
you assume that just because you vote for Nader...that there is some kind of approval for Obama
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
vote nader or any of the other 3rd party candidates and get justice... [McObamain] is not a choice I choose to make..Understand this that anyone that votes for Nader does not think that McCain is less evil than Obama and that is okay...BUT they also don't think that Obama is less evil than McCain ...We have his our breaking point ENOUGH is ENOUGH...injustice is wrong...period...why are you so complacent when you could have what you want but don't take it!?!?!?
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago 4
voteresponsibly1A gets an F in civics as well as an F in democracy.
We think the Democrats need to be disbanded.
The Independent Party will take their place as the second party, since you are so narrow minded and cannot fathom multiple choices.
You need to mosey on and burn your money before your illegal citizen steals the money like he is trying to steal the election.
Nader/Gonzalez 2008 the only REAL choice for CHANGE
blackcatsoda 3 years ago
Nader helped screwed up the US in 2000
voteresponsibly1A 3 years ago
no, nader did not screw up 2000, those that voted for nader in 2000 rejected al gore, understand this, they rejected both bush and gore...as do I... I wouldn't vote if there were not 4 other options besides the two major party dictatorship candidates. they pulvorized nader in 04 for saying there is no difference and the democrats spent the last for years proving he is right...they voted for every war appropriation...they voted for the renewal of the patriot act...I reject [McObamain]
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
Nader did not screw us in 2000...
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago 11
@Rosetteismyname Of course not, the Supreme Court screwed us. It should have gone to the House of Representatives. Gore himself even said he lost because of the electoral college.
xDraconianKingx 1 year ago
Vote1a: No, Nader did not screw us in 2000...what was done in 2000 were several illegal things like 57,000 registered democrats were labeled criminals by a corporation and not allowed to vote. Al Gore has said that he should of won his home state...
Would you like to remain ill-informed vote1a?!?!
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago 6
This is a great video, please share!
Spread the word, we can make a real difference!
JonM90 3 years ago 2
Americans are scared to vote for Nader because they don't want to see real change.
FartheadOgre 3 years ago 4
Great argument... I think most people who are somewhat competent have become tired of second rate politics.
Why not focus your energy on passing Instantaneous Runoff Voting (IRV). If we pass IRV people can feel free to choose their favorite candidates without worrying about losing their votes.
daspifster 3 years ago
check out on votenader(dot)org's issues page 'electoral reform' you'll find information about instant run off voting. btw, i think matt gonzalez is there for his electoral reform ideas in the first place..
relgstorm 3 years ago
NADER/Gonzalez = WE the PEOPLE
Democrats and Republicans = THEY the CORPORATIONS
They're blocking him from debating because they're quite scared!
"Spoiler" is a politically bigoted word used by the opposing
parties to keep the independents out of the race.
travelfar22 3 years ago
You are quite correct, however that doesn't detract in the least from the fact that a majority will not vote for Nader no matter how perfect a President he would be. That leaves this up to statistics.
As it stands now, we are forced to vote the lesser of 2 evils. I really like Nader but a vote for him will take votes away from the lesser of 2 evils and we will end up with 4 years of the greater evil.
Cont...
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
It's a matter of statistical probability. There is no "Blame" involved.
No Republican will vote for Nader. This is going to be a close race and if a majority vote doesn't go to SOMEONE other than McPalin we will end up with McPalin. If the Democrats and independents are not acting together we will end up with a Republican President. Dividing them is not the solution. It's unfortunate that so many Americans are too ignorant to see that Nader would be best, but that is the reality of it.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
Independent, Jessie Ventura defied "statistical pobability"...
Nader is on 45 state ballots, and is not givena chance
in the televised debates. No democracy there!
The duopoly is afraid of debating Nader:
* Next to Nader, the ObamaMcCainAsaurus would
look like a plastic toy-----pull-the-string!
NADER/Gonzalez = WE the PEOPLE
Democrats and Republicans = THEY the CORPORATION$
travelfar22 3 years ago 2
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Jessie Ventura ran for Governor and those elections do not have an Electoral College.
Yes, Nader is not given a chance. He's left out of the debates because it is Corporations that run this country and they make sure he's left out.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
I want Nader to be President, but the fact that he would be best for the people of this country, The People ARE the Country and not just its geography, automatically disqualifies him to be President. He's not willing to let Corporations run things and go unregulated. Since Corporations run this country they get what they want.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
Souless...If Nader had a vote for each time that someone like you stated, "I want Nader to be President,BUT...." But ---- blah blah blah...excuse excuse excuse...If you didn't just claim to be informed and you actually were than you would take your comments elsewhere
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
Again, Please see the video on Instant Runoff Voting. It explains perfectly why a third party vote is most likely going into the trash. This isn't about excuses it's about reality. As long as we have plurality voting a third party causes problems.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
it isn't in the trash...politics "isn't about what politicians do [or our system for that matter] it is about what people do"
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
It's like the Chinese proverb Nader always tells us:
"To know and not act is not to know"
We know the 2 parties are offering platforms against the people's interests, and we know there are legitmate alternative candiates.
Yet we continuouly vote against the candidates that represent us, and mandate the actions of the corporate war candidates with our vote.
It's also like MLK said:
"Our lives begin to end the day we remain silent about things that matter"
Martin Luther King
0613162k 3 years ago
Souless: If Nader had a vote 4 every time someone said, "I want Nader to be President, but...[insert excuse here]" If these people voted 4 who they wanted then at the least, the politicians would have 2 listen 2 the people. Because they won't ever listen to us until we prove that we are not willing to listen to them. At the most, a candidate we wanted would win instead of a corp. dictator. McCain or Obama is equal to lose/lose
"Politics isn't what politicians do, it is what people do"
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
You're naive if you think that corporations would allow anyone that isn't in their pocket to be President. It's not a matter of what we want. The Corporate Oligarchy must be eliminated before the people have power again. Look at the corporate bailout. They make tons of money off stuff like that. Government is their cash cow don't kid yourself that they would let it go without a fight, and when I say fight I mean police state.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
Soulless: You're ill-informed if U think that corporations have the power.OUR PEOPLE have it-But politics is also NOT what corporations do, it is what people do.U R part of the problem when U disapprove of 2 candidates & vote 4 R or D. "The corporate oligarchy must be eliminated before..." So the strategy is "to vote 4 people who [WON'T] give you want you want" and then just protest...?!? When it is lose/lose vote 4 justice & what is right while we still have that 1st amendment right
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
we don't the 20% of americans that are democrats, we want some of the other 57% of americans that don't vote...
as for republicans check out the video 'conservative ralph nader' by southern avenger...
watch?v=XQRvW4-Spdc
Nader\Gonzalez o8!!!
relgstorm 3 years ago
um, we don't want... d'oh!
relgstorm 3 years ago
There are all sorts of 'Conservatives' and it's not a very telling term to use to describe someone. Nader is more economically conservative but he's been made to seem otherwise by the R & D economic liberals. Nader is more liberal socially but the R & D have turned that into a bad thing since the R & D are so authoritarian. That's why they turn so many social issues into talking points. That's why change must begin with education. The R & D will win as long as they make the definitions.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
There R SOME republicans that will vote 4 another 3rd party candidate, like Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr. U R wrong about a "statistical probability" Statistics would show that the 4 candidates involved in the Campaign for liberty represent the people. Understand I REJECT Obama-even as a black female--I could vote 4 Cynthia McKinney, or Nader. Understand this, if U do not prove that U R not willing to vote for them than they never have to listen to U. I will never vote for [McObamain]
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
Apparently you don't seem to understand that most Americans are too stupid and/or ignorant to realize that they would get where they say they want to go by voting for Nader. Instead they will continue to vote Rep. or Dem. and as you and I know the Rep. and the Dem. are only marginally different. If we don't take the time to educate these other people who don't know better they're not going to do anything different than they always have.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
If U & I agree then comment on another video..b/c "if you've resigned yourself to believe that our burreacarcy is stronger than we are, [that our system is stronger than we are] than you are more bought than our politicians"
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
You don't have to take my word for it. Here on YouTube is a video on "Instant Runoff Voting" it explains perfectly what the problem with the current voting system is and how it can be corrected. I implore you to see it. It's the first video that comes up if you search this site for "Instant Runoff Voting". Every American needs to see that video. It's only 3 minutes 10 minutes long.
SoullessAtheist 3 years ago
A vote for Nader is a Republican vote. Sorry that is the system ..it sucks..but that's the reality right now. Start a grassroots party at local level and state level and start making a difference there.
avisitorintheusa 3 years ago
Avistorintheusa: someone said a quote that I think is very important. the name is, giantdouche08 "i'm voting independent while i still can"
while we still have our freedoms, I intend to use them
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
i'm voting independent while i still can
giantdouche08 3 years ago 4
Look here Missy, we are a stones throw away from even being able to protest in the street, or even having a fraud free election. See H.R. 1955 and S.B. 1959. Vote Nader
lizardfirefighter110 3 years ago
Nader/Gonzalez = WE The PEOPLE
Democrats and Republicans = They the Corporations
OPEN the DEBATES / Let NADER Debate!!
travelfar22 3 years ago 4
this Ron Paul supporters votes for Ralph Nader
president 08
p.s. Ralph consider giving Ron Secretary of State position in your administration
campaign4liberty 3 years ago 5
thanks!
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago
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I called this number for AT&T 1-800-283-6407It is the corporate number.I spoke to a very nice woman who said she is taking names of everone who calls in to ask that the debates be opened up to the 3rd parties.And if they get enough people call in they will seriously consider opening up the debates!AT&T is the big money Corporation that controls both the parties and they control and sponsor the debates. They make the rules on who can debate. Please call for Democracy
AssilemakaMelissa 3 years ago
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rumpelstillskin65 3 years ago 2
Amen, sister.
FattKidd 3 years ago 3
Kind of a no-brainer America. Stand up to the thieves and bullies who control you and Vote Nader in '08. Chavez is not the evil man Your leaders lead you to believe. He took control over HIS Country for HIS people by kicking out greedy American oil barrons, knowing the sacrifice he was making for the people of Venezuela. Now, if only Canada could do the same.
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damianpaonejazz 3 years ago
Well said Ashley!
sam75iam 3 years ago 4
Wow! Inspiring! Thank you for always answering all my emails! The Nader/Gonzalez Campaign Team are so freaking awesome!
The Nation Needs Nader Now!
AssilemakaMelissa 3 years ago 6
Wonderful video!
When the majority does not vote we get what we deserve. When most vote for the lesser of 2 evils we still get evil.
Obama and McCain both want to escalate the war in Afghanistan. I will not vote for that!
I'm with you Ashley vote Nader!
nowellian 3 years ago 4
Please SUBSCRIBE to the official Ralph Nader YouTube Channel. Click on my username. This is the official channel.
Thank you!
votenader08 3 years ago
well I am for Nader because the other candidates are full of crap
JIM2579 3 years ago 8
Ashley is very perceptive and saw through
all of the devious smoke screens Democrats and Republicans
projected.
vote NADER
and it's very important to, Spread-The-Word.
WE MUST BECOME THE MEDIA!(utilizing the Internet)
"Any dictator would admire the uniformity
and obedience of the U.S. media"
-Noam Chomsky
travelfar22 3 years ago 3
ChannelZombie 3 years ago 2
She's bright and articulate, like Mr. Nader. How can anyone stomach Obama's condescending tone and hollow political talk after listening to Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez and Ashley.
chatelet55 3 years ago 6
Unless she has a Gun and babies she shouldnt be speaking!
carcultured 3 years ago
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agitcam 3 years ago 2
excellent speech. you could have also discussed the irony that obama was the anti-war candidate, and he actually wants to INCREASE the pentagon budget- but there is only so much one can do in 8 minutes. Thanks from tucson az
atvfreelife 3 years ago 5
that was AMAZING
internetj888j 3 years ago
that actually brought a tear to my eye.. well said
dancidelics 3 years ago 2
Ron Paul is a gateway politician to Ralph Nader.
NewandimprovedWO 3 years ago
Uh no lol. Ron Paul and Ralph Nader are both worthwhile. I love 'em both.
cookimonstizzle 3 years ago 5
I am a Ron Paul Supporter, I support Ralph Nader! Do fight against the NWO!
LeeKwangEng 3 years ago 6
Would like more info on Ashley Sanders - who is she? Anyone know?
Diablogue 3 years ago
She is the youth outreach coordinator for the Nader/Gonzalez campaign.
tikala2000 3 years ago 4
"The Democratic Party has become the party of Perpetual Plan B... Progressive Voters are consequently in a state of perpetual contradiction voting against the people who have the platforms that they stand for...
This apparently is our golden strategy...vote for a candidate who can't give you what you want..."
It's absolutely disgusting.....People, don't Be part of the problem, be part of the Solution!
A VOTE 4 THE DUOPOLY HELPS NO ONE BUT HURTS EVERYONE!
Ashley Girl, I like U
loopyloupe 3 years ago 8
If you listen to NPR, ask them to provide more coverage for third party candidates because apparently they think they are providing enough coverage to them (yeah right): npr(dot)org/ombudsman/2008/07/covering_thirdparty_candidates.html
jalvarezvUtube 3 years ago 4
This lady is the truth! Word to Ashley Sanders. All power to Nader/Gonzalez '08!
Revo1 3 years ago 16
I like this girl. She hit every point that past presidents miss or DON'T do when they get elected.
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 12
i have started and its the first time i ever voted.
mrtyles 3 years ago 5
watch?v=1UEOZGFzPas
GomerPial 3 years ago
Although I should acknowledge that not all democrats are like that. I think particularly at the local level, there are plenty of good democratic candidates because it's easier to do grassroots campaigning. At the national level, there is Kucinich for example, but he is a rarity in the democratic party.
jalvarezvUtube 3 years ago 7
Couldn't agree more with 0613162k, danthro, and kacytron; while at the same time disagree more with writemrbond.
Regarding writemrbond's rhetorical question, how can one provide an answer to a poorly posed question, why can you only save 4? Maybe it's like the typical democratic party 'solution' to a problem; don't really tackle the problem and try to save the 5th, better save your own skin and only save 4.
jalvarezvUtube 3 years ago 8
We have to vote for the party of non-aggression. A part of free trade, communication, and diplomacy. Most importantly freedom.
Vote Libertarian. Bob Barr 08
Andy43213 3 years ago
Woohoo Ron Paul!
Vote Bob Barr 08!
Andy43213 3 years ago
3rd party all the way!!! wooo!!!
Rosetteismyname 3 years ago 6
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If you vote for Nader, you will be just as responsible for the wars and enviornmental destruction that McCain will do as those who vote for McCain. And if you voted for Nader in 2000, all the deaths in Iraq and all the environmental problems we have caused are your fault. You cannot change things if you just throw your vote away. I am more radical than any of you guys, but I am also realistic. If you have 5 kids in a burning house, and you can only save 4 of them, what would you do? Nothing?
writemrbond 3 years ago
you must be a democrat.
it has been eight years. eight years of denial and blame. why are the democrats not at fault? why did the democratic candidate of 2000, (also 2004, and now in 2008) not pick more progressive platforms on which to run?
kacytron 3 years ago 13
why did the democratic candidate take money from large corporate interests? why did the democratic candidate not win his home state in the 2000 election that would have secured his win? why did the 250,000 registered democrats in florida choose not to vote and a large number of other democrats in florida choose to vote for the republican candidate?
kacytron 3 years ago 12
Nice try. Voting for a Democrat actually mandates continued occupation in Iraq, redeployment not withdrawl of troops to increased war in Afghanistan and a new war in Pakistan. Hypocrtical threats to Iran. Increased military expansion when US is in debt, and continued military aid to Israel illegally occupying Palestine to pander to AIPAC.Wheras voting for Nader or McKinney, writing in Kucinich, Gravel or Ron Paul, gives no such mandate to the Democrat & Republican to continue war with your vote
0613162k 3 years ago 12
Oh, so the Dems who were elected into a Congressional majority in '06 with a mandate to end the war and hold the Bush Admin accountable are not responsible. The Dems had the power to end the war by now but havent'. (continued in next comment)
danthro 3 years ago 10
Without the Dems help, the PATRIOT Act wouldn't have been reauthorized, FISA telecom immunity getting rid of our right to privacy wouldn't have been passed, and that's just for starters of all the ways the Dems have helped Bush achieve his biggest priorities. And then they turn around and blame the one guy who has the gall to call them on it when it matters?! Shame.
danthro 3 years ago 10
Enough of the rubbish from the Democrats. You're doing nothing to address the "growth economy" and the militarism that supports it. Doing too little for the environment and for needy people. If you don't win it's your own fault. Quit blaming others for your failures.
beaupeyton 3 years ago 11
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Nader supporters are such phonies! The dems have HR 676 Conyers' "Medicare for All Act" in Congress blocked by republicans and W since 2003!!! "What movement has ever succeded waiting for Washington politicians?" OMG, Reagan couldn't have said it better! I tell u what movement sweetiepie: the PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT, Spinderella! Look it up, Robert La Follett: improve the human condition through GOVERNMENT POLICES! not streetfights but elected office, Teddy and FDR are rolling in their graves!
sam0fisher666 3 years ago
Election laws have changed drastically since Senator La Follette's day. It is almost impossible for a progressive candidate to be elected to a national position in many states. Also, when the current Dem presidential candidate won't support a bill like HR 676, that's not a good sign.
tikala2000 3 years ago 2
I say that by voting for the rep-dems, you are throwing yet another chance to break the two party duopoly/monopoly. The only way that one can 'waste his/her vote' [LOL] is by NOT VOTING AT ALL! ...not by not voting for your guy. reps get the dumb and selfish vote. dems get the dumb and gullible vote. a vote for the rep-dems is a vote for continued corporatism.
hakaida0 3 years ago 2
Chloe Van Peebles 2008
CreamyLover 3 years ago
Apparently, "Re-create '68" means:
'convince the police to beat the crap out of innocent people' and 'convince the country to put a Republican in the White House and continue the war.
(As far as I'm concerned, the best was to distinguish between violent groups of protesters and non-violent groups of protesters is to look at how much violence they engage in.
Count me among the non-violent ones.)
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
re create 68 reject government altogether having spoken to 1 of those members. He told me the good don't need law & the bad only breakk it. A sentiment many share.
However, we're not part of that movement. We'll be having a Super rally in Denver protesting the wars, corporate control, and exclusion of third parties from debates even though a recent zogby poll showed 50% of Americans want Nader and Barr in the debates.
Either way no protestor should fear electric stun devices.
0613162k 3 years ago 3
Another "gaffe" by Rush Limbaugh:
"Riots in Denver at the Democrat convention would see to it we don't elect Democrats. And that's the best damn thing (that) could happen for this country as far as anything I can think." --Rush Limbaugh
source: denverpost . com/search/ci_9050920
Whoops. I guess Rush Limbaugh just "misspoke".
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
A political convention IS free speech, in spades! It's nothing BUT speech. Why would people engage in violent protest -against- it?
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
You've probably written 10+ comments on the Nader/ Gonzalez youtube videos which is fine with us even if we disagree as it's free speech.But how would you feel if they decided to delete every negative comment you made against policies and the candidates themselves.
Would you call that free speech?
The answer is NO. That's censorship, and that's what's happening on Obama & Hillary's youtube page & happening at Denver by suppressing peace protestors with threat of cages & electric stun devices.
0613162k 3 years ago 7
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A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
That's not accurate. Many people wouldn't vote at all if there was no third party or independent candidate to vote for. And how about the Republicans that support Nader?
TomSwervo1 3 years ago 3
Why? Because you assume that whoever is considering voting for Nader really owes their vote to Obama? Not so. Votes must be earned.
quinksnorp 3 years ago 3
Doggie treats have to be earned. We're talking about life and death here.
The world doesn't need more war and torture. The next President is probably either going to be Obama or McCain and I want to be a part of that decision-making process.
Republicans torture. For Democrats, torture is inconceivable. To be on the sidelines of a debate like that is childish. To be unable to see the difference is either blindness or madness.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
Doggie treats, that's what the Dems have been shelling out for 60 years.
GretnaBlast 3 years ago 3
So that's why you are working to elect John McCain?
Insane.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
The Democrats have no credibility on torture. If they are againsttorture, then why are they setting up a mimi Guantanamo of cages and electric stun devices for peace protestors in Denver.
0613162k 3 years ago 3
The McCain campaign is not a reliable source of information about the Denver Police Department, 0613162k (if that's your -real- name).
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
I think the Secret Service will be involved, but Howard Dean doesn't run the Secret Service either.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
You really need to get ovr the 2 corporate party mentality, and recognise independent coalition of true progressives, conservatives, libertaians etc.
Being against the Demohawks, doesn't make someone a Rebombican.
Look up youtuve video entitled:
"Detention camp Setup for DNC Protestors and Mass Arrests"
to see the excessive use of cages and electic devices planned for the peace protestors in Denver against the DNC.
0613162k 3 years ago 3
I think all serious candidates should have been allowed to debate in prime time, including Nader. But the reality is there were some Americans who didn't even watch the dem and rep debates.
If debates get lower ratings than Married With Children, that's EVERYBODY'S fault.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
If Mayor John Hickenlooper wants to discredit the Democratic Party, that's obviously not in Obama's interest so write to Hickenlooper.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
@ ReliableInsider,
You're lucky the Nader/ Gonzalez campaign belives in free speech and net neutrality as otherwise you wouldn't have been able to make one comment.
The Obama and Hillary campaign deletes all comments I've made against their plans of military expansion, contined occupation in Iraq, accelerating war in afghanistan and Pakistan, and threatning Iran.Notice they only have positive comments on their poage.
That's why it's important to support candidates who belive in free speech.
0613162k 3 years ago 3
It's just slander to say that the Democrats are happy about any violent protesters or any violent Denver police officers.
Even the helmets will distract the media from the real story. An opportunity for America's most effective progressive party to give everybody an update on what it stands for now.
We are AGAINST having a police state OR anarchy.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
if mccain wins, it's the democrats fault for not voting for nader!
besides, our democratic congress won't put up with any of this acting like GWB business, right? oh wait, they fully support everything GWB does!! if obama supports GWB and he is elected, how are things not going to just be business as usual?
i'll go to the polls, but if my candidate is not on it, i won't vote for president and answer everything else. oh yeah, where i live there's only 2 choices and write-ins void the ballot...
relgstorm 3 years ago 3
Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot in 2008 actually helps Barack Obama
Obama's supporters are more loyal than McCain's. In the most recent NBC/WSJ Poll, only 5% of his supporters jump ship when the poll question is opened up to four choices (Nader/Barr/McCain/Obama), whereas 10% of McCain's do.
Many Hillary supporters (half according to the most recent NBC/WSJ poll) do not want to vote for Obama. With Nader on the ballot, they have another choice to lodge their vote with other than McCain.
relgstorm 3 years ago
By slicing off a few progressive voters, Nader is actually pushing the Democratic Party further toward the center in order to get the 50% plus one of the remaining voters that it needs in order to stop McCain.
Thanks a whole lot.
Are Nader supporters having trouble with math? "Math is unfair! It's biased against third parties!" Great. Brilliant.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
do you support Obama?? You are against gay marriage,support a "bump up" in defense spending,support FISA (do you even know what that is???), you support funding the war and of course you are against a single payer health care system...them obama is YOUR man. Have fun at your party in Denver. Sounds like the right wins either way,no?
boomac62 3 years ago
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boomac62,
If that's what you want then elect John McCain by supporting Ralph Nader and that's exactly what you'll get.
Four more wars!
A vote for McKinney is a vote for McCain. A vote for Nader is WORSE because it doesn't even send a message about the environment.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
What makes you think Obama will end the war he votes to fund? What makes you think the Democratic congress will stop funding the war they support? Are you blinded by the lie?
boomac62 3 years ago
What has Nader done to end the war? Nothing. In fact, he is single-handedly RESPONSIBLE for the war, for reasons we all know.
(He divided the progressive vote and refused to endorse Gore, as he is doing once again this year.)
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
The way I see it Gore cost Nader the election. Anyway, after 9/11 Gore supported the war in Iraq (Did you even know that???, do you read the news??)...while Nader was against it. (and is against funding it). Peace :-)
boomac62 3 years ago 6
Why should Nader endorse Gore this year? The man isn't even running for office. Ralph Nader didn't divide the progressive vote, the Democrats did that by trying to block him. If he had been allowed to debate and have unrestricted ballot access, then he would have won. That is why the Dems keep blocking him, they know they can't defeat him in a fair fight.
poeboy2 3 years ago 2
"What makes you think Obama will end the war"
Because from the moment I became aware of him he has talked of nothing else but ending the war.
As a side note, if you read his speech about why we shouldn't go IN to Iraq in the first place in 2002, his analysis is so eerily accurate that he come across as some kind of Old Testament prophet.
Either he's a genius or his advisers are extremely knowledgeable or both.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
Reliableinsider:
1. I thought Congress was responsible for getting us into war in Iraq.
2. Bush stole the 2000 election(even Gore believes this).
3. Sure, Obama SAYS he's against the war, but he's also voted for every war funding bill. His own website admits that he won't fully withdraw our troops from Iraq.
4. In addition, Obama voted for telecom immunity(something he said he wouldn't do), and for the unconstitutional Patriot Act.
TomSwervo1 3 years ago 6
And yet, Tom, by supporting Ralph Nader, you are supporting and helping to elect as our next President SENATOR JOHN MACCAIN.
That's just the way democracy works. The Left and the Right vote, and whichever coalition splinters more loses.
You are helping us lose.
Why?
What great message is sent by electing Republican Presidents year after year. And to whom?
The message that is sent to the world is that Americans are math illiterates who deserve whatever whirlwind the Republicans sow.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
I think the message that we're currently sending to the world is that Americans would rather watch American Idol and listen to their iPods than be active participants in deciding their own fates.
I refuse to vote for anyone who doesn't support what I support. Why is that so difficult to accept? Your vote is the most powerful tool you have to make your government represent you. When the Democrats and Republicans know that you will vote for them no matter what, they don't have to listen to you.
TomSwervo1 3 years ago 4
What do you mean by you are helping us lose? Who is us? Do you mean the American people or the Democratic party? Believe it or not they aren't one in the same. The Democratic party has their interest, protecting itself and its largest campaign contributors, the corporations. The American people have their interest, namely seeing that their way of life is protected for them and future generations. The Democrats are just Republicans with better PR people.
poeboy2 3 years ago 3
Great points, you're right on with all of them.
poeboy2 3 years ago
So...you approve of his votes to fund the war?..hmmm... and I assume you agree with him when he says we need to spend more than the current administration on defense...hmmm....well he's your man, not mine. I'm a liberal who takes issue with his opposition to gay marriage and his support of FISA, by the way I wonder why you don't mention FISA. Could it be you don't know what that bill was that he supported???...hmmm....I'm voting for Nader. Peace
boomac62 3 years ago 2
you are another person blind to the truth. Its people like you that make the two-party system going. If I take away from McCain or Obama good. They are both liars and on corporate budgets that favor the rich. I have heard close to 200 people say they would vote for Nader but it wouldn't count. Those people my friends are cowards who wont stand up for what is right and righteous. A government by the people, for the people. Your voice will be heard you just have to speak loud enough.
kornrbac111 3 years ago 3
I don't have any sympathy for the Demohawk party.
Not only does the party deliberatly exclude Nader from the debates, and has recently been revealed in 2004 they used taxpayers money to remove him off the ballot to disenfranchise his voters, but they even allowed exclusion of their own Democrat candidates Kucinich and Gravel from the debates this year. They were the only true progressives like Nader.
They are responsible for excluding the voice of progressives but demanding their votes.
0613162k 3 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What Nader is offering is a way to feel really good about complete and utter failure--sort of like being in the Confederate Army. They accomplished nothing, but it gave them a chance to feel emo about it forever.
What shit.
Electing John McCain (by letting him win) is about THE WORST way of attempting to bring about Single Payer that I can possibly imagine.
ReliableInsider 3 years ago
Yeah, we need a pro war (suports funding) pro FISA (do you have a clue waht that is???) anti gay marriage,and a candidate who wants to "BUMP UP" denfense spending.( OG Yeah..OBAMA IS AGAINST SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE) Yep..thats what we need and Obama will do all those wonderful things for people JUST LIKE YOU. You are a fake.
peace (but keep funding war!)
boomac62 3 years ago 2
This is awesome.
Valerian1 3 years ago 4
Many if not most progressives - while we adore the socially-liberal views of Kucinich on certain issues - think people like him are being naive about things like foreign affairs. THAT'S why we don't back him.
It's not the case, for most of us I hope, that we agree with him 100% but think for political reasons we can't vote that way.
SelfImmolator 3 years ago