When I heard they had a CGI ship waiting in the wings, should any vital effects footage of the ship turn up missing, I was worried it'd be a re-use of the horrible "These Are The Voyages" (the Enterprise ep that never happened) model.
But I had nothing to fear! You can see the CG model at 1:23, and it's friggin' PERFECT looking!
@CJCA915 u paused at 1:13 - 1:15 and not notice that the 'head' main deck of the entire enterprise is kind of...i don't know...MISSING from the body/nacelle/deflector section? lol
@QuantumChance The Enterprise sometimes seperates the saucer from the main section of the ship, so it is faster and can be better used in combat. It even happens in the first episode if i am correct.
@thelasthallow it's not about taking advantage of your screen, it's about showing what was intended. The show was shot in a time where ALL TV sets were 4:3 and therefore the way it was shot was 4:3. If they showed it in widescreen, there would be prop sets, jibs, cranes, lights, etc that you would not want shown.
@bozardio I don't have a BR player... yet, so I'm relying on a possible torrent of this, lol. I'll buy the season sets of course, but the sampler pack... no, not because I can't, it's that I have nothing to watch it on. XD
Of course on widescreen TV's it'll have black boxes on the sides... and on full-screen TV's it'll fit corner to corner... my display is 1280x1024, which is an aspect ratio of 5:4... so I have black bars on the top and bottom...
@CJCA915 the wierd thing is in the land of TV's and broadcasting 1080p is only widescreen. not an almost square box but a rectangle. it cant be 1080p if its not widescreen so something is going on here. maby we havint seen any official 1080p content just some hand picked content they have uploaded in old 640x480
@thelasthallow Well, I know it's 1080p HD, just like TOS-R is... because 1080p deals with vertical lines... not horizontal lines...
No this is how it's gonna look... this trailer is footage of the HD transfer... I've seen screencaps of the sampler pack... the show is 4:3 as was TOS...
@thelasthallow I've seen screen shots and have a few HD rips in MKV format, and the picture isn't in widescreen, it's a full screen picture... granted it may have black bars on the sides when it's played on a widescreen display... but the picture itself is 4:3.
@CJCA915 More than likely. I'm surprised it hasn't already, given I've read reports of it being available in Canada already. I'd be highly tempted to check one out, although I set my pre-order back in December... I just want to see that memorable intro in HD...
@GB452 Same, I imagine some of the stuff will be altered a little with new CG planets... since most of those were matte paintings or very poor CG at the time...
What makes a video HD isn't necessarily the aspect ratio but the pixel count and density.
TNG was shot using 35mm film and transferred to tape, they're using the original film for the remasters. Taking into account that 35mm shoots at 5380x3620 - 5380*3620 = 19475600 (that's around 19.5 Megapixels). This is acceptable for HD content.
@LordReserei01 yes but HD is considered 1280x720 1920x1080 hence 720p 1080p how can it be in HD if its not in 720p or 1080p widescreen? last time i checked no TV's support 1080p in a boxed format only widescreen.
@thelasthallow 720p and 1080p denote the pixel density up and down and the scan type... the "p" stands for progressive scan, rather than 1080i, which is interlaced... HD isn't measured by the width, but the height... that's why I can upload my CG videos at 960x720 and it still be HD... the 1280 and 1920 are to denote widescreen HD...
I can watch 1080p widescreen movies on an old CRT TV... I just have black bars on the top and bottom like any widescreen movie...
In fact, a lot of movies don't even have a full 720 pixel picture... the black bars make up the 720 pixels, taking the black bars off, you get a pixel height of only 500 and something pixels...
@CJCA915 look you must not be understanding what im trying to say here.
What im saying is they are selling them on blueray as an HD Remaster. that means they will be 1920x1080 in resolution and that they will be widescreen because thats what 1920x1080 is in the movie business. they wont be in a square format they will be widescreen. and i have yet to see any of that actual content yet.
@thelasthallow To accomplish the 1920 width, the picture will have black boxes to the left and right side... so the whole frame will be 1920, but the picture you see will be 4:3...
Go to TrekCore's website, they got a hold of a review copy of the sampler pack... the picture is 4:3... with black bars on the left and right, to make it 1920 in width, but the viewing picture will be 4:3... even this trailer uses remastered transfers... the first shot is the remastered shot of that shot...
@CJCA915 ok i get you now. the only thing i dont get is why dont they take it and make it full widescreen? they did it with TOS when they remastered it and there had to be plenty of resolution on the film to be able to do it.
@thelasthallow From what I've seen TOS's picture is 4:3 as well... I've not seen any full widescreen images of TOS... TrekCore has screenshots from the TOS-R and they're 4:3...
While the whole picture is 1920x1080, the actual frame itself minus the black bars is 4:3...
So, even on a widescreen TV, you will get black bars on the left and right side... because the actual visible picture is only 4:3, so they added the black bars so the picture won't get stretched to 16:9...
All HDTVs support every aspect ratio. Sometimes it will be controlled by a button on the control. If I watch a show shot in 4:3 with the "automatic" setting, it will show in the 4:3 (boxed) ratio, if I set it to 16:9 it will appear way too stretched.
There are other resolutions besides those too;
2k = 2048x1536
4k = 4096x3072
Ultra HD = 7680x4320
It doesn't matter whether it's widescreen or boxed. Anything over SD specifications is considered HD.
@LordReserei01 it dosnt matter anyways i wont be buying the blueray collection now that i know it will still be in 4:3. i have all of the original eps on DVD and dont see the need to re buy the same thing even if it has new effects if it wont take advantage of my widescreen TV i dont want it.
George Lucas take note.
ExplorerXIII 1 week ago
When I heard they had a CGI ship waiting in the wings, should any vital effects footage of the ship turn up missing, I was worried it'd be a re-use of the horrible "These Are The Voyages" (the Enterprise ep that never happened) model.
But I had nothing to fear! You can see the CG model at 1:23, and it's friggin' PERFECT looking!
Destructor111 2 weeks ago
1:13
did anyone else catch the ship graphically coming apart? kind of ironic given its supposed to be remastered, lol
QuantumChance 3 weeks ago
@QuantumChance What do you mean... it looks just like it should...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 u paused at 1:13 - 1:15 and not notice that the 'head' main deck of the entire enterprise is kind of...i don't know...MISSING from the body/nacelle/deflector section? lol
QuantumChance 3 weeks ago
@QuantumChance That's kind of how it is supposed to be... it's during the saucer separation sequence...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 He's clearly trolling.
ExplorerXIII 6 days ago
@CJCA915 or even pause at 1:12 and you can really see the body in 2 distinct seperate pieces.
QuantumChance 3 weeks ago
@QuantumChance
Haha, oh wow.
fragba1t 3 weeks ago
@QuantumChance The Enterprise sometimes seperates the saucer from the main section of the ship, so it is faster and can be better used in combat. It even happens in the first episode if i am correct.
pimjong 2 weeks ago
@QuantumChance watch this /watch?v=wp_wznCVHHs&feature=related
FiskyJay 2 weeks ago
@thelasthallow it's not about taking advantage of your screen, it's about showing what was intended. The show was shot in a time where ALL TV sets were 4:3 and therefore the way it was shot was 4:3. If they showed it in widescreen, there would be prop sets, jibs, cranes, lights, etc that you would not want shown.
AdrianCoyote 3 weeks ago
Thank you for posting this! My copy of "The Next Level" hasn't arrived yet and I'd been waiting to see this trailer!
bozardio 3 weeks ago
@bozardio I don't have a BR player... yet, so I'm relying on a possible torrent of this, lol. I'll buy the season sets of course, but the sampler pack... no, not because I can't, it's that I have nothing to watch it on. XD
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915
I'm afraid you'll have to wait for the torrent, as it would literally take weeks to upload on my connection. :P
troy2062 3 weeks ago
@troy2062 lol, dang, what kind of connection do you have? O_o
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915
I have an upload speed of 28KB/s.
troy2062 3 weeks ago
@troy2062 Jeez, last time I remember those speeds was dial-up...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
WOW!!! I want this so bad, but I just got the bulk of the whole series during Christmas. Damnit!!!
nightwing4077 3 weeks ago
Just one word: WHEN??
Xonx68 3 weeks ago
I..am.Droooling !!! Fan-freaking-tastic !!!
captjami 3 weeks ago
Amazing! Wish they would give us a release date!
VideoSpaceFX 3 weeks ago
so where is the HD Video? what i am seeing is nice but isnt 1080P like 16:9? everything iv seen looks like 4:3
thelasthallow 4 weeks ago
@thelasthallow It's 1080p full screen not widescreen... 1080p is just how many pixels it is vertically... not its aspect ratio.
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
Of course on widescreen TV's it'll have black boxes on the sides... and on full-screen TV's it'll fit corner to corner... my display is 1280x1024, which is an aspect ratio of 5:4... so I have black bars on the top and bottom...
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
@CJCA915 the wierd thing is in the land of TV's and broadcasting 1080p is only widescreen. not an almost square box but a rectangle. it cant be 1080p if its not widescreen so something is going on here. maby we havint seen any official 1080p content just some hand picked content they have uploaded in old 640x480
thelasthallow 3 weeks ago
@thelasthallow Well, I know it's 1080p HD, just like TOS-R is... because 1080p deals with vertical lines... not horizontal lines...
No this is how it's gonna look... this trailer is footage of the HD transfer... I've seen screencaps of the sampler pack... the show is 4:3 as was TOS...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 the weird thing is i have TOS Remastered and every episode is in widescreen.
thelasthallow 3 weeks ago
@thelasthallow I've seen screen shots and have a few HD rips in MKV format, and the picture isn't in widescreen, it's a full screen picture... granted it may have black bars on the sides when it's played on a widescreen display... but the picture itself is 4:3.
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 You've got some MKV rips? Care to share? :)
GB452 3 weeks ago
@GB452 Not of TNG The Next Level... but for TOS-R I used torrents. :3
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 Oh blast... I've been itching to see the TNG intro(s) for this sample pack... Thanks for the reply though :)
GB452 3 weeks ago
@GB452 I'm sure they'll be hitting torrent sites tomorrow, no doubt, lol.
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 More than likely. I'm surprised it hasn't already, given I've read reports of it being available in Canada already. I'd be highly tempted to check one out, although I set my pre-order back in December... I just want to see that memorable intro in HD...
GB452 3 weeks ago
@GB452 Same, I imagine some of the stuff will be altered a little with new CG planets... since most of those were matte paintings or very poor CG at the time...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
What makes a video HD isn't necessarily the aspect ratio but the pixel count and density.
TNG was shot using 35mm film and transferred to tape, they're using the original film for the remasters. Taking into account that 35mm shoots at 5380x3620 - 5380*3620 = 19475600 (that's around 19.5 Megapixels). This is acceptable for HD content.
LordReserei01 3 weeks ago
@LordReserei01 yes but HD is considered 1280x720 1920x1080 hence 720p 1080p how can it be in HD if its not in 720p or 1080p widescreen? last time i checked no TV's support 1080p in a boxed format only widescreen.
thelasthallow 3 weeks ago
@thelasthallow 720p and 1080p denote the pixel density up and down and the scan type... the "p" stands for progressive scan, rather than 1080i, which is interlaced... HD isn't measured by the width, but the height... that's why I can upload my CG videos at 960x720 and it still be HD... the 1280 and 1920 are to denote widescreen HD...
I can watch 1080p widescreen movies on an old CRT TV... I just have black bars on the top and bottom like any widescreen movie...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
In fact, a lot of movies don't even have a full 720 pixel picture... the black bars make up the 720 pixels, taking the black bars off, you get a pixel height of only 500 and something pixels...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 look you must not be understanding what im trying to say here.
What im saying is they are selling them on blueray as an HD Remaster. that means they will be 1920x1080 in resolution and that they will be widescreen because thats what 1920x1080 is in the movie business. they wont be in a square format they will be widescreen. and i have yet to see any of that actual content yet.
thelasthallow 3 weeks ago
@thelasthallow To accomplish the 1920 width, the picture will have black boxes to the left and right side... so the whole frame will be 1920, but the picture you see will be 4:3...
Go to TrekCore's website, they got a hold of a review copy of the sampler pack... the picture is 4:3... with black bars on the left and right, to make it 1920 in width, but the viewing picture will be 4:3... even this trailer uses remastered transfers... the first shot is the remastered shot of that shot...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 ok i get you now. the only thing i dont get is why dont they take it and make it full widescreen? they did it with TOS when they remastered it and there had to be plenty of resolution on the film to be able to do it.
thelasthallow 3 weeks ago
@thelasthallow From what I've seen TOS's picture is 4:3 as well... I've not seen any full widescreen images of TOS... TrekCore has screenshots from the TOS-R and they're 4:3...
tos.trekcore. com/hd/albums/1x00hd/thecagehd0035.jpg
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
So your TV/display has to be cropping your picture... because TOS-R was also redone in 4:3, it wasn't cropped to 16:9...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
Here is a picture taken from the saucer sep sequence...
tng.trekcore. com/bluray/exclusive_images/Farpoint/Farpoint10e.jpg
While the whole picture is 1920x1080, the actual frame itself minus the black bars is 4:3...
So, even on a widescreen TV, you will get black bars on the left and right side... because the actual visible picture is only 4:3, so they added the black bars so the picture won't get stretched to 16:9...
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
All HDTVs support every aspect ratio. Sometimes it will be controlled by a button on the control. If I watch a show shot in 4:3 with the "automatic" setting, it will show in the 4:3 (boxed) ratio, if I set it to 16:9 it will appear way too stretched.
There are other resolutions besides those too;
2k = 2048x1536
4k = 4096x3072
Ultra HD = 7680x4320
It doesn't matter whether it's widescreen or boxed. Anything over SD specifications is considered HD.
LordReserei01 3 weeks ago
@LordReserei01 it dosnt matter anyways i wont be buying the blueray collection now that i know it will still be in 4:3. i have all of the original eps on DVD and dont see the need to re buy the same thing even if it has new effects if it wont take advantage of my widescreen TV i dont want it.
thelasthallow 3 weeks ago
@thelasthallow Well, that's unfortunate.
CJCA915 3 weeks ago
@CJCA915 i know you dont really care. its just a bummer for me.
thelasthallow 3 weeks ago
I hope they give DS9 the same treatment. That would be simply awesome to see!
AudioApprentice 4 weeks ago
OMG! OMG! OMG! THAT WAS AMAZING, I WANT IT NOW!
animeownage86 4 weeks ago
just had a trek-gasm =3
shawho 4 weeks ago
One thing I just noticed. In HD, Data's eyes pop out. Amazing.
Lurker1979 4 weeks ago
@Lurker1979 haha, it is amazing.
CJCA915 4 weeks ago