You see all that shock, that energy would blow up a persons heart. Doesn't matter if it stopped it, the person wearing the vest would be dead. Incenderary hand gun rounds will go through this vest or light you a blaze. Incenderary rounds are nasty, expensive but work effectively. I had some 45 cal +P HP with incenderary fuel and metal shards with a primer put into the head. Very deadly, with what it does to steel plate and armor. Burns at 5000F.
The .45APC still hits much harder. Both 9mm and .45APC might not penetrate some kevlar, but the .45 has a MUCH better chance of stunning/knocking down or severely injuring the person wearing the vest simply from the extra weight and diameter of the round. Been a while since I read up on the latest guns, they got anything out like a high capacity .45 cal? Some type of semi auto in a .45APC only with much more capacity like a 9mm handgun would have??
The Level of the vest dictates its protection capabilities, Rifle ammo such as a 223 will punch through that particular vest due to its lack of threat level. ie; Levell II, III and so on. By the way even though a round may not punch throuh it, you could use a knife and still stab right throug the vest.
9mm will penetrate more over than a 45 because of the velocity of the 9,less mass traveling at a high speed will penetrate. Ask the dead GI's from ww2 the Luger would penetrate our helmets but the 1911 wouldn't Germany knew this that's why they went with 9 plus cost effective
@towert7 I hit it with a couple rounds of .223 (didn't film it) and it was unremarkable... simply punched very small holes straight through the kevlar. Not even close.
Wow, ALOT of people make the mistake of stating the vest in the video is "bullet proof". Im pretty sure no vest is truely 100% uneffected by rounds. Even if the vest stops the round from penetrating, the force of the impact can cause damage.
@YoungCarlin215 what do you mean, 45's travel at less than the speed of sound and carry very little energy and are have a too large diameter to velocity ratio to penetrate much of anything...go back to video games kid...
" You are not the "Get out there and try" type are ya? " - if 100 years of evidence doesn't convince you that the .45 acp is not a big penetrator - what can I say. You know, even though 99.99% of people who jump off high buildings die - please feel free to "get out and try" if you don't believe the theory. lol!!
Pity you had to waste ammo on this test. A little "light reading" would have shown that the .45 acp has a long history of being a poor penetrator. Clyde Barrows of Bonnie & Clyde carried a chopped down BAR specifically because the Thompson SMG with .45 acp has a reputation for not penetrating the car doors of the day.
@redlegagent "pity you had to waste ammo on this test" Waste ammo? he's shooting it through a gun, as it was meant to be, how is it wasted? " A little light reading would have shown that the .45acp....etc.." You are not the "Get out there and try" type are ya? You must live a boring insignificant life inside your home all day huh?
@redlegagent Yes the .45ACP is horrible at going threw things, its made to hit hard and knock it over and a light reading would tell you exactly why the .45 ACP Colt M1911 was made!!!!
Better to test out your gear personally then to trust a forum of idiots...
I tested some bullet proof vest material with a .45 Auto and the FMJ made it into the vest but not all the way through. It dented in my barrel i had it attached to about 3-4 inches though!
@waddell47 Yeah I know... Unless he's getting the feel for speed reloading with the tactical plate carrier, then carrying all that shit is retarded... I think he expects Saddam's Fedayeen to come over the hill in front of him. :)
@waddell47 What's to say these guys weren't at the range for a different reason? And you don't believe that people should train with their gear? From the looks of the video, they seem very knowledgable about guns, and I see no threat of him accidentally shooting anybody.
@Habiat23 Train? Train for what? If this guy is a security contractor or in some branch of the military, I retract my statement. But.......chances are he's not. The handful of ex-military guys(all of which have been deployed) that I work with go shooting with me all the time.....none of them have worn this much shit to a shooting range.
wow some of u guys are absolutely retarded. i dont care what anyone says. ill carry a 45 anyday of the week. u say u can fire 17 shot quickly and accuretly, well im pretty sure i can fire one ahot to your head faster with my 45 then u can spraying your 17 bb's at me. and this video doesnt settle anything. was the load he was firing a facrory load? more then likely it was. its funny tht me being a kid knows more then u so called "enthusiest". 1911 .45 will live on for another 100 years
@04vennum It's a common-known fact that the 9mm has more penetration than the .45, and the .45 has more punch/expansion. If you choose to use 9, shot placement is more important (although it's also important with the .45. If you can't hit the target, you might as well be shooting blanks). Nobody doubts that the 1911 is a great gun, although there are cases where it might not be applicable/appropriate.
And what's this silly talk about 9mm being like "bb's"?
@jambowowow "gear queer" is a term in the services for someone who has lots of random expensive gear on that they really dont need. BTW nice comeback. I know you are but what am I kind of mentality.
@TheMurDog906 i apologize, i missed the "gear" part of your statement. I thought you were just calling him queer. gear queer is a much different statement then what i perceived!
I prefer the 9mm.. Well actually I prefer my HI power haha.. I only ever carried a 9mm into combat though and only used it once.. Got the job done fine. I think most of the hipe over the 45 is just because it's a scary looking round
I don't care that it didn't go thru. I have a feeling that if the day ever comes I need to use my .45, the target won't be wearing a vest. 107 years and still going strong, God bless you John Browning for your creativity this with this round, and another favorite of mine, the Ma Deuce.
No surprise here, after all the 45 is the slowest blunted nose bullet of all the most pistol rounds. 9mm has much more penetrating power than it. higher velocities.
Wow, i would wear something to absorb the shock under that vest. That bullet might not penetrate the vest, but the sheer force of it would crush my ribs. The trauma alone could kill a man. I don't know much about vests like these, do they have have any kind of shock absorbing plate on the inside?
@Nordiclegion it isnt likely to crush your ribs. think realistically. they have a fair amount of rigidity and some utilize a trauma plate to stop blunt trauma from the round. in addition to see if the vest can stop the bullet, vest companies test to make sure the bullet doesnt create a dent more than 1" long in clay(the US laws are waay to loose on the dent length 1" can easily kill you) after its been shot at the armor. search up NIJ armor levels for more info.
I find nothing wrong with 9mm. I can unload a 17 round magazine in a hurry and do it very accurately. From all the years of reading accounts of shoot outs, 9mm is as equally worthless as 45acp. Between two worthless calibers, I will choose the one that kicks less and carries a handful more in capacity. 9mm, 40s&W, 45acp are all last resort defensive calibers. Not designed for primary use. Police are not combat soldiers so they carry a pistol. This excludes Sub Machine Guns btw.
its all about force dispersion,,,,the 44 mag made the target fly high because it was transmitting all its force to the vest, whereas the 9mm retained its force, and used it as penetrating power
thats why you put two in the chest and the third in the head. and ofc if you want to get through armament you dont use ammunition for soft targets like hollowpoint bullets.
on a seperate note why is this wearing a rifle sling around his body and have all of his mag holders full of rifle mags if he is testing different caliber pistols on this vest?
yeah but id rather take a 9mm shot in a vest then a 45 btw neither will go through unless you shoot a teflon round which are designed to negate the vest
@centrionmoose That is actually an urban myth. The only time any coating has been used on rounds is to reduce friction with the barrel having little effect on penetration with or without a vest. My guess is that was started by the anti gun croud so they could upset people with the thought of "cop killer" bullets but I am not positive how it got started.
@LoyalBrotherz817 Yes. Zylon has been known to degrade much more rapidly than Kevlar vests, and have been known the fail. So much so that most Body armor manufacturers that used Zylon recalled their vests, and now use other materials.
I personally wouldn't recommend using a Zylon vest, but it's still better than nothing I suppose.
@LoyalBrotherz817 hell yeah! zylon is the WORST aramid to use. testing showed it decaying over time and losing its special properties, definitely do not use it.
In hot weather accelerating of 120ºF the plates slide to the bottom of the vest, rendering it useless. If oil gets on the vest it will loose elasticity and the plates will fall, rendering it useless. If the vest falls from approximately two stories the plates will sometimes fall to the bottom, rendering it useless.
Pinnacle's Dragon Skin Body Armor is NOT the best armor out there.
@ElliFong no it isnt. bullets can pierce it if they hit at a funny angle, like from below(the overlapping scales) and the vest can literally start falling apart because of the glue. plus it lacks trauma protection.
@joe31454 something made from goldflex fibres. dragonskin sucks, rounds can pierce it if they slip under the scales where it overlaps and the trauma from the larger rounds can kill. there is no light armour that is extremely strong. you either pick on or the either, strength or lightness. the strongest armour weighs about 4lbs were plate(one for back one for front) and then you have to wear soft armour under that as well.
Indeed, 9mm gets better penetration on most hard and soft targets than the .45 ACP (it also has a longer effective range), however, it does not hit nearly as hard, and does not transfer as much energy to the target.
@esh325 We shot 9mm during the same test and it went the furthest, through the first set of layers and was stopped in the second set of kevlar layers.
That vest stopped every pistol round we shot at it (9mm, 45 acp, .44mag) and 22LR from a rifle.
@esh325 usually handgun rounds have enough powder to give the bullet a spin, send it downrange, and impart a good amount of force into the target without your hand exploding, a rifle is designed to do all of that but with more penetration since there is less recoil and more powder used. Another key factor is bullet shape, handgun rounds are designed to be perfectly round to be more accurate, yet often distribute force across a wider area, so the difference isnt much unless you use more powder.
@esh325 yuo need to know a little bit about mecanical physics. Its more about how large is the bullet when it touches the target and how much energy the bullet has. you could have a bullet weighting 0.5g going at 2000 metters/s and it would be much stronger than a bullet of 12g goign at 500 metters second. [ (mass(kg) x velocity(m/s)^2) ] /all devided by 2========energy of the bullet. for example 5.56mm
[0.004kg x (940m/s)^2] =====1767.2 Joules look on wikipedia to confirm
Your obviously not in the Military,, despite your wannabe gear, nobody in the forces would carry an ed brown as a side arm... what a tool........I wonder who is more skilled, a combat trained operator with a standard issue fs9, or you with your military surplus store BDU's and your ed brown Special-Ed forces 1911
@FuriousPixel You would enter shock as soon as your shot, even if it doesn't penetrate the vest. People go into shock for small things all the time imagine getting shot in the chest.
obviously wat dumb ass would think his holo's are gonna go through a vest, I used to shoot 2x4 wood with a .38 special different rounds full, holo & plastic let me tell u that u need full metal to have a chance hence why my .45 is loaded with armored tiped holo with a spare full metal clip just waitin for that lucky guy, no u aint win the lotto but u got a good amount of sumthin else headed ur way...
the reason the hydrashok is not going through the vest is bc thats not what its designed to do. the hydrashok is a hollowpoint round intended to expand upon entry just like every other hollow point round( reason being is that you dont want the round to go through the bad guy and hit someone else)its not going to penetrate through multiple layers like that.that little metal tip in the cavity is there because the round was originally desinged for police in case they had to shoot thru windshields
THE SHOCK OF THE .45 ACP IS DEADLY IN ITSELF.
microminiskirt 2 days ago
r u sure people say the 5.7 round wont pass a 9mm
and theres a guy shooting a gallon of ice with it and it dont pass tru but the 45 acp blows right tru
GENODELMAROATL 2 days ago
You see all that shock, that energy would blow up a persons heart. Doesn't matter if it stopped it, the person wearing the vest would be dead. Incenderary hand gun rounds will go through this vest or light you a blaze. Incenderary rounds are nasty, expensive but work effectively. I had some 45 cal +P HP with incenderary fuel and metal shards with a primer put into the head. Very deadly, with what it does to steel plate and armor. Burns at 5000F.
BrooklynXT1 6 days ago
I would much rather know whats going on in the back ground because from the sounds of the people it sounded a lot more interesting.
jgood1089 2 weeks ago
haha loser wears army pants
xxdizannyxx 3 weeks ago
well most kevlar vests are made to stop rounds like the .45acp, they only really fail against high volumes of bullets, and harder hitting rounds
TheAlexagius 3 weeks ago
CAN YOU TRY A 5.7 FN BLUE TIP
GENODELMAROATL 3 weeks ago
@GENODELMAROATL A 5.7 round penetrates a inch of titanium plate armor. Soft armor will not stop this round. lol Only dragon skin would.
BrooklynXT1 6 days ago
try with 10mm
MagicCat3 1 month ago
Hello
Nice testing! One question, how many Kevlar layers does this protection vest have?
idioidio1 1 month ago
what model 1911 is that?
TheBrowningmaxus8833 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@TheBrowningmaxus8833 it's an Ed Brown Special Forces 1911. Stupid name, great pistol.
MFORTYFIVE 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@MFORTYFIVE agreed...the gun looks awesome
TheBrowningmaxus8833 2 months ago
They have several high capacity 1911's and glock makes one also. Very easy to buy.
crazychris251 2 months ago
The .45APC still hits much harder. Both 9mm and .45APC might not penetrate some kevlar, but the .45 has a MUCH better chance of stunning/knocking down or severely injuring the person wearing the vest simply from the extra weight and diameter of the round. Been a while since I read up on the latest guns, they got anything out like a high capacity .45 cal? Some type of semi auto in a .45APC only with much more capacity like a 9mm handgun would have??
CWBou812 2 months ago
@CWBou812 Para Ordnance makes double stack 1911's USP's are good ora MK. 23 if you have a couple of grand to drop. Or FN's new handgun FNP .45
GrottyWanker69 2 months ago
@GrottyWanker69 Cool thanks for the info.
CWBou812 2 months ago
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@CWBou812
XD45 family of guns by Springfield Armory.
lazer1million 5 days ago
The Level of the vest dictates its protection capabilities, Rifle ammo such as a 223 will punch through that particular vest due to its lack of threat level. ie; Levell II, III and so on. By the way even though a round may not punch throuh it, you could use a knife and still stab right throug the vest.
Semper Fi
IraqiSniper107 2 months ago
Duh??? BULLET PROOF VEST. Not Body Armor Piercing Ammo.
Semper Fi
IraqiSniper107 2 months ago
9mm will penetrate more over than a 45 because of the velocity of the 9,less mass traveling at a high speed will penetrate. Ask the dead GI's from ww2 the Luger would penetrate our helmets but the 1911 wouldn't Germany knew this that's why they went with 9 plus cost effective
jburn45acp 2 months ago
from a 20 year old vest?!
That's awesome.
ThatOGDon 2 months ago
As you can hear, theres something more interesting going on in the background. lol
deserteagle421 2 months ago
Yea a hollow point isn't ment to go through Kevlar vest only soft tissue, just another dumb test to make the 9mm look good
regret92 3 months ago 7
@regret92 Not sure what you mean by making the 9mm look good, the 9mm didn't defeat the vest.
MFORTYFIVE 3 months ago 8
@regret92 How does this make the 9mm look good? Neither one fucking went through it?
The3rdID 1 week ago
gear queer :D
ZzRvXzZ 3 months ago
0:54 looks like something amazing happened haha.
alezatf 3 months ago
It's not supposed to penetrate a. it's pistol, b. it's a hollow point, intended specifically designed to stop inside a target without body armor.
ElementIU2 3 months ago
What about ball ammo?
dgallegos4201 3 months ago
@dgallegos4201 Tried it. Not even close.
MFORTYFIVE 3 months ago
Can you say "headshot"?
dgl1962 3 months ago
Would love to have seen the .223 on this vest.
towert7 3 months ago in playlist More videos from MFORTYFIVE
@towert7 I hit it with a couple rounds of .223 (didn't film it) and it was unremarkable... simply punched very small holes straight through the kevlar. Not even close.
MFORTYFIVE 3 months ago
@MFORTYFIVE
Ah, so you did. Thanks for the info.
I was surprised to hear regular 9mm and .223 punched right through the kevlar vest.
towert7 3 months ago
@towert7 The 9mm was stopped by the vest. Where did you hear that it punched through?
MFORTYFIVE 3 months ago
Wow, ALOT of people make the mistake of stating the vest in the video is "bullet proof". Im pretty sure no vest is truely 100% uneffected by rounds. Even if the vest stops the round from penetrating, the force of the impact can cause damage.
NoobOfShame 3 months ago
vest wins... not counting a broken rib or two
Vccine 3 months ago
Obviously he has a cooler job than you...
tonecrazy88 4 months ago
bet you 20 bucks a .22 lr will go right through
notsofunnyman24 4 months ago
@notsofunnyman24 .22 lr wouldn't but the 17hmr would
melissa12300 4 months ago
@melissa12300 they both would belive it or not
notsofunnyman24 4 months ago
lets be honest he needed the FMJ attachment to shoot threw it
JPeck1328 4 months ago
Right at the end someone either did something really cool or really bad judging by the background noise.
flylikeIdo1 4 months ago
the fact that he said "lookit" says it all to me...
cedricthepirate 4 months ago
This guy is like the John Madden of Shooting
BuffaloTPU 4 months ago
I sure as hell wouldnt want to be wearing that vest while being shot with a 45
skillz4sale4u 4 months ago
BULL SHIT!!!!! it wasnt a .45 it wuda blown it to pices! tht was def. a 9mm if it even waS that
YoungCarlin215 5 months ago
@YoungCarlin215 you are wrong sir.
XxGanjaXXGOD 4 months ago
@XxGanjaXXGOD how????????????????// come to my house wit a bp vest and let me shoot you in it with a 45 then see what happens,
YoungCarlin215 6 days ago
@YoungCarlin215 what do you mean, 45's travel at less than the speed of sound and carry very little energy and are have a too large diameter to velocity ratio to penetrate much of anything...go back to video games kid...
zooders 4 months ago
@YoungCarlin215 THANKYOU!!!!!!!!!
YoungCarlin215 6 days ago
" You are not the "Get out there and try" type are ya? " - if 100 years of evidence doesn't convince you that the .45 acp is not a big penetrator - what can I say. You know, even though 99.99% of people who jump off high buildings die - please feel free to "get out and try" if you don't believe the theory. lol!!
redlegagent 5 months ago
Pity you had to waste ammo on this test. A little "light reading" would have shown that the .45 acp has a long history of being a poor penetrator. Clyde Barrows of Bonnie & Clyde carried a chopped down BAR specifically because the Thompson SMG with .45 acp has a reputation for not penetrating the car doors of the day.
redlegagent 5 months ago
@redlegagent Waste ammo? Haha, I guess I waste ammo all day, I like to shoot things.
MFORTYFIVE 5 months ago 36
@MFORTYFIVE HELL WHO DOESN'T!!!! i know i do!
thestrokeds10 5 months ago
@redlegagent "pity you had to waste ammo on this test" Waste ammo? he's shooting it through a gun, as it was meant to be, how is it wasted? " A little light reading would have shown that the .45acp....etc.." You are not the "Get out there and try" type are ya? You must live a boring insignificant life inside your home all day huh?
andrademeza 5 months ago
@redlegagent Yes the .45ACP is horrible at going threw things, its made to hit hard and knock it over and a light reading would tell you exactly why the .45 ACP Colt M1911 was made!!!!
ChrisCorle01 4 months ago
@redlegagent
Better to test out your gear personally then to trust a forum of idiots...
I tested some bullet proof vest material with a .45 Auto and the FMJ made it into the vest but not all the way through. It dented in my barrel i had it attached to about 3-4 inches though!
Andrew357Magnum 3 months ago
@yesiamawizardjonny LMFAO "the murder comment"
DanielGlock26 5 months ago
Even if you got a vest on it still going to break a rib.
ar76024 5 months ago
@ar76024 still better than a bullet in you.
ImportDreams500 5 months ago
I had the same results!
I shot the vest with a thompson and i couldnt believe my eyes, there was no penetration at all! The bullet just bounced off!
Polenar 5 months ago
For some reason this reminds me of Chinese and Mexican kids who put unpainted body kits and giant spoilers on their Ford Probes.
SterilizeThePopulace 5 months ago
@SterilizeThePopulace And you remind me of a white bitch I used to know that could speak why'll deep throating. She was an awsome little freak.
ABN251 5 months ago
@ABN251 "Why'll?" Nice.
SterilizeThePopulace 5 months ago
@waddell47 Yeah I know... Unless he's getting the feel for speed reloading with the tactical plate carrier, then carrying all that shit is retarded... I think he expects Saddam's Fedayeen to come over the hill in front of him. :)
yesiamawizardjonny 5 months ago
@waddell47 What's to say these guys weren't at the range for a different reason? And you don't believe that people should train with their gear? From the looks of the video, they seem very knowledgable about guns, and I see no threat of him accidentally shooting anybody.
Habiat23 5 months ago
@Habiat23 Train? Train for what? If this guy is a security contractor or in some branch of the military, I retract my statement. But.......chances are he's not. The handful of ex-military guys(all of which have been deployed) that I work with go shooting with me all the time.....none of them have worn this much shit to a shooting range.
waddell47 5 months ago
wow some of u guys are absolutely retarded. i dont care what anyone says. ill carry a 45 anyday of the week. u say u can fire 17 shot quickly and accuretly, well im pretty sure i can fire one ahot to your head faster with my 45 then u can spraying your 17 bb's at me. and this video doesnt settle anything. was the load he was firing a facrory load? more then likely it was. its funny tht me being a kid knows more then u so called "enthusiest". 1911 .45 will live on for another 100 years
04vennum 6 months ago
@04vennum It's a common-known fact that the 9mm has more penetration than the .45, and the .45 has more punch/expansion. If you choose to use 9, shot placement is more important (although it's also important with the .45. If you can't hit the target, you might as well be shooting blanks). Nobody doubts that the 1911 is a great gun, although there are cases where it might not be applicable/appropriate.
And what's this silly talk about 9mm being like "bb's"?
Habiat23 5 months ago
why dont you test it on a real human?
bahuilok 6 months ago
@bahuilok Well because here in the US we call that "murder". You go to jail for a long time...
yesiamawizardjonny 5 months ago
a level 3a vest will stop any pistol round under 1400 fps
delucadaniel1 6 months ago
This guy seems like a gear queer.
TheMurDog906 6 months ago
@TheMurDog906 yet you troll youtube videos calling guys queers... what does that make you?
jambowowow 6 months ago
@jambowowow "gear queer" is a term in the services for someone who has lots of random expensive gear on that they really dont need. BTW nice comeback. I know you are but what am I kind of mentality.
TheMurDog906 6 months ago
@TheMurDog906 i apologize, i missed the "gear" part of your statement. I thought you were just calling him queer. gear queer is a much different statement then what i perceived!
jambowowow 6 months ago
Now try it with some FN 5.7mm and that vest will become tissue paper.
Supremist77 6 months ago
.25 acp would shred that vest!
MrSkippingteep 6 months ago
I prefer the 9mm.. Well actually I prefer my HI power haha.. I only ever carried a 9mm into combat though and only used it once.. Got the job done fine. I think most of the hipe over the 45 is just because it's a scary looking round
angryasian2 6 months ago
I don't care that it didn't go thru. I have a feeling that if the day ever comes I need to use my .45, the target won't be wearing a vest. 107 years and still going strong, God bless you John Browning for your creativity this with this round, and another favorite of mine, the Ma Deuce.
HauptmannAmerica 6 months ago
No surprise here, after all the 45 is the slowest blunted nose bullet of all the most pistol rounds. 9mm has much more penetrating power than it. higher velocities.
Brute4rce 7 months ago
I don't think most bad guys wear bulletproof vests......a .45 would have no problem stopping your regular ol crack smoking thug.
Only problem with a 45 is the high cost of the ammo. I'm holding off on a glock 30 because of that.
sirmasterpimp 7 months ago
i wear a tactical vest when i am just plinking and messing around. cause its totally pointless and looks queer
colinmoriarty 7 months ago
not a bullet proof vest bullet resistant vest lol
petiyo101 7 months ago
How did .45 acp FMJ fair, and did the 9mm really punch through all layers? How many layers are there? Was the 9mm FMJ?
NormanMatchem 7 months ago
so the did the 9mm punch throu? or did another 45 punch throu?
mrsuperterd 7 months ago
Ok, vest wins, but not the rib cage of the bad guys ^^
Long live to the .45 ACP!
italianguns 8 months ago
why is rambo here carrying enough assault rifle mags to stop the tet offensive while hes fucking around with his pistols?
thecamelsalesman 8 months ago
@thecamelsalesman
Maybe he was shooting rifles before deciding to tape a decommisioned vest with his handguns? Wow, that was hard to figure out...
DetJMedlin 7 months ago
Wow, i would wear something to absorb the shock under that vest. That bullet might not penetrate the vest, but the sheer force of it would crush my ribs. The trauma alone could kill a man. I don't know much about vests like these, do they have have any kind of shock absorbing plate on the inside?
Nordiclegion 8 months ago
@Nordiclegion it isnt likely to crush your ribs. think realistically. they have a fair amount of rigidity and some utilize a trauma plate to stop blunt trauma from the round. in addition to see if the vest can stop the bullet, vest companies test to make sure the bullet doesnt create a dent more than 1" long in clay(the US laws are waay to loose on the dent length 1" can easily kill you) after its been shot at the armor. search up NIJ armor levels for more info.
jimmyhoffa9 7 months ago
@0:54 did someone misfire and get hit??
bates507 8 months ago
I find nothing wrong with 9mm. I can unload a 17 round magazine in a hurry and do it very accurately. From all the years of reading accounts of shoot outs, 9mm is as equally worthless as 45acp. Between two worthless calibers, I will choose the one that kicks less and carries a handful more in capacity. 9mm, 40s&W, 45acp are all last resort defensive calibers. Not designed for primary use. Police are not combat soldiers so they carry a pistol. This excludes Sub Machine Guns btw.
guitarmike6387 8 months ago
@guitarmike6387 Take a 45acp round to the chest and call it worthless.
AverageNoob1 6 months ago 2
its all about force dispersion,,,,the 44 mag made the target fly high because it was transmitting all its force to the vest, whereas the 9mm retained its force, and used it as penetrating power
dumfart21 8 months ago
thats why you put two in the chest and the third in the head. and ofc if you want to get through armament you dont use ammunition for soft targets like hollowpoint bullets.
allgovsarecriminal 9 months ago
on a seperate note why is this wearing a rifle sling around his body and have all of his mag holders full of rifle mags if he is testing different caliber pistols on this vest?
TheMurDog906 9 months ago
@TheMurDog906 Maybe he was there for a different reason.
MFORTYFIVE 9 months ago 23
@TheMurDog906 did you really just ask that question? slap yourself until i tell you to stop
UrbanKnight12 6 months ago
@TheMurDog906 He was probably using a rifle beforehand. We don't see how many weapons he actually has...
yesiamawizardjonny 5 months ago
The impact wound caused by the depth of penetration would still kill you, just sayin'.
oaklanda2 9 months ago
yeah but id rather take a 9mm shot in a vest then a 45 btw neither will go through unless you shoot a teflon round which are designed to negate the vest
centrionmoose 10 months ago
@centrionmoose That is actually an urban myth. The only time any coating has been used on rounds is to reduce friction with the barrel having little effect on penetration with or without a vest. My guess is that was started by the anti gun croud so they could upset people with the thought of "cop killer" bullets but I am not positive how it got started.
shananagans5 9 months ago
TRY A 10MM
hunter112261 10 months ago
@hunter112261
10mm wouldn't go through either. You need a high velocity round, which 10mm can't cut.
AGeekWithAShotgun 10 months ago
is kevlar better than zylen vests?
LoyalBrotherz817 10 months ago
@LoyalBrotherz817 Yes. Zylon has been known to degrade much more rapidly than Kevlar vests, and have been known the fail. So much so that most Body armor manufacturers that used Zylon recalled their vests, and now use other materials.
I personally wouldn't recommend using a Zylon vest, but it's still better than nothing I suppose.
SavageArms357 10 months ago
@LoyalBrotherz817 hell yeah! zylon is the WORST aramid to use. testing showed it decaying over time and losing its special properties, definitely do not use it.
jimmyhoffa9 7 months ago
aww you should have tested that on a person that would be great!
AFIrockontodavey 10 months ago
Of course a 45 wouldnt penetrate. Next time try a tokarev t33.
winstonsmith2600 11 months ago
hey im new to this combat stuff.
whats the most lightest and strongest vest?
joe31454 11 months ago
@joe31454 Dragon skin, even for 7.62.
ElliFong 11 months ago
@ElliFong Strong? YES. Reliable? No.
In hot weather accelerating of 120ºF the plates slide to the bottom of the vest, rendering it useless. If oil gets on the vest it will loose elasticity and the plates will fall, rendering it useless. If the vest falls from approximately two stories the plates will sometimes fall to the bottom, rendering it useless.
Pinnacle's Dragon Skin Body Armor is NOT the best armor out there.
saints360row 10 months ago
@saints360row Oh, okay. Thanks to you, I learn more.
ElliFong 10 months ago
@ElliFong no it isnt. bullets can pierce it if they hit at a funny angle, like from below(the overlapping scales) and the vest can literally start falling apart because of the glue. plus it lacks trauma protection.
jimmyhoffa9 7 months ago
@joe31454 something made from goldflex fibres. dragonskin sucks, rounds can pierce it if they slip under the scales where it overlaps and the trauma from the larger rounds can kill. there is no light armour that is extremely strong. you either pick on or the either, strength or lightness. the strongest armour weighs about 4lbs were plate(one for back one for front) and then you have to wear soft armour under that as well.
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Cougar879 11 months ago
Nice. What vest are you wearing?
Cougar879 11 months ago
@Cougar879 Looks like a Paraclete vest, I had one on my Iraq deployment
mrquin27 11 months ago
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@Cougar879 Looks like a Paraclete vest, I had one on my Iraq deployment
mrquin27 11 months ago
@Cougar879 It's an Eagle plate carrier with cummerbund. Plates level IV, soft armor level IIIa.
MFORTYFIVE 11 months ago
what kind of holster is that please? thanx
xBiGTxLPZx 11 months ago
@xBiGTxLPZx Safariland 6004
MFORTYFIVE 11 months ago
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so was that a .22 cal m1911 or a .45acp cause if the 9mm goes thought the .45acp is going father then the 9mm.
cohandhalowars 11 months ago
so was the a .22 cal m1911 or a .45acp cause if the 9mm goes thought the .45acp is going father then the 9mm.
cohandhalowars 11 months ago
Shoot right above the vest line. The person falls instantly and die choking in their own blood. It works
For .38, 9, 40, 45. If you have a clear shot just shoot to the head. Gear can not compensate for bad placement.
lhusby 11 months ago
Indeed, 9mm gets better penetration on most hard and soft targets than the .45 ACP (it also has a longer effective range), however, it does not hit nearly as hard, and does not transfer as much energy to the target.
Dictators4GunControl 11 months ago
The .45 acp has never been good at penetrating vests. Perhaps a 9mm would do better because of the velocity?
esh325 11 months ago 2
@esh325 I always heard 9mm was terrible for penetration....could be wrong, as Ive never personally tested...can someone confirm?
SUP3RZ0MB1E 11 months ago
@SUP3RZ0MB1E Actually the 9mm ball ammo we used had the best penetration out of all the pistol rounds. (9/45/44mag)
The 44 mag had a little less penetration but way more WHOOPH on target.
MFORTYFIVE 11 months ago 12
@MFORTYFIVE Thanks! Always wondered. I was told by a "so-so" source that 9mm cant go through a windshield...wasnt too sure about that. Now I know!
SUP3RZ0MB1E 11 months ago
@MFORTYFIVE TRY A 10MM
hunter112261 10 months ago
@MFORTYFIVE Really? What about full-house 300 grain hard-cast bullets (.44 mag)?
45calibermedic 6 months ago
@esh325 We shot 9mm during the same test and it went the furthest, through the first set of layers and was stopped in the second set of kevlar layers.
That vest stopped every pistol round we shot at it (9mm, 45 acp, .44mag) and 22LR from a rifle.
MFORTYFIVE 11 months ago
@esh325 Hollow points have more surface area than FMJ.
Hogkillerm14 10 months ago
@Hogkillerm14 Even a pistol FMJ wouldn't do that well.
esh325 10 months ago
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@Hogkillerm14 Even a pistol FMJ wouldn't do that well.
esh325 10 months ago
@esh325 usually handgun rounds have enough powder to give the bullet a spin, send it downrange, and impart a good amount of force into the target without your hand exploding, a rifle is designed to do all of that but with more penetration since there is less recoil and more powder used. Another key factor is bullet shape, handgun rounds are designed to be perfectly round to be more accurate, yet often distribute force across a wider area, so the difference isnt much unless you use more powder.
starshock01 10 months ago
@esh325 yuo need to know a little bit about mecanical physics. Its more about how large is the bullet when it touches the target and how much energy the bullet has. you could have a bullet weighting 0.5g going at 2000 metters/s and it would be much stronger than a bullet of 12g goign at 500 metters second. [ (mass(kg) x velocity(m/s)^2) ] /all devided by 2========energy of the bullet. for example 5.56mm
[0.004kg x (940m/s)^2] =====1767.2 Joules look on wikipedia to confirm
47kcin 9 months ago
@47kcin you did a mistake a 0.5g bullet at 2000m/s= 1000joules and 12g at 500m/s == 1500joules
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thats why you have to go for the dome shot.
ELCHINGODEWILMAS310 11 months ago
Now I'm going to walk to the target and talk about the round I fired.
IamaRifle 1 year ago
Your obviously not in the Military,, despite your wannabe gear, nobody in the forces would carry an ed brown as a side arm... what a tool........I wonder who is more skilled, a combat trained operator with a standard issue fs9, or you with your military surplus store BDU's and your ed brown Special-Ed forces 1911
c0d3cr4zy 1 year ago
its kind of pointless when you think about it, because you still go down because of the impact.
TheDudeFrom0Z 1 year ago
@TheDudeFrom0Z
so you are saying you would rather die than have a bullet bounce off you?
FuriousPixel 1 year ago
@FuriousPixel no, but in some situations if you fall down your dead.
TheDudeFrom0Z 1 year ago
@TheDudeFrom0Z
yah but you would still be alive and might have a chance to fire back
FuriousPixel 1 year ago
@FuriousPixel You would enter shock as soon as your shot, even if it doesn't penetrate the vest. People go into shock for small things all the time imagine getting shot in the chest.
009jorge1 1 year ago
I like both rounds, the 9mm and the .45acp. To me it all comes down to what I "feel" like carrying that day.
isisncasey 1 year ago
What plate carrier are you using? Nice video.
surfish01 1 year ago
@surfish01 Eagle.
MFORTYFIVE 11 months ago
but it fucking hurt right?
manxdude1 1 year ago
U need .44 or more to punch trough
a1s2k349 1 year ago
@a1s2k349 Nope, the .44 mag was stopped by the same vest.
MFORTYFIVE 11 months ago
obviously wat dumb ass would think his holo's are gonna go through a vest, I used to shoot 2x4 wood with a .38 special different rounds full, holo & plastic let me tell u that u need full metal to have a chance hence why my .45 is loaded with armored tiped holo with a spare full metal clip just waitin for that lucky guy, no u aint win the lotto but u got a good amount of sumthin else headed ur way...
Davis2920022001 1 year ago
@Davis2920022001 What in the hell is an armor-tipped hollow point?
Also it's not a clip, it's a magazine.
acethedisturbed 1 year ago
What kind of 1911 was that?
selrahctd 1 year ago
@selrahctd Ed Brown, Special Forces 1911
MFORTYFIVE 1 year ago
weather or not the round punch though the vest in my opinion the wearer would still feel like someone hit in the chest with a baseball bat
kingd3001 1 year ago
the reason the hydrashok is not going through the vest is bc thats not what its designed to do. the hydrashok is a hollowpoint round intended to expand upon entry just like every other hollow point round( reason being is that you dont want the round to go through the bad guy and hit someone else)its not going to penetrate through multiple layers like that.that little metal tip in the cavity is there because the round was originally desinged for police in case they had to shoot thru windshields
gladsenman17 1 year ago
will ball ammo go through eventualy?
savage495 1 year ago
Even the lowest rated vests like frag vests will stop a .45.
RayAir1 1 year ago
Would this knock a person wearing the vest on their back?
dying2l 1 year ago
@dying2l no.
MFORTYFIVE 1 year ago 8
@MFORTYFIVE But it would hurt like hell
aberry9475 1 year ago
@MFORTYFIVE no but i guarantee they wont be feeling very good enough to do much more fighting after they did get hit with the .45
xManjaro 11 months ago
@dying2l any round that can do that would kill you the only time people fall its from the pain not the bullets force
01fmfblaster 1 year ago
@dying2l If it could do that, then you would be on your back too.
IamaRifle 1 year ago
@dying2l
Not any gun would do that.
You're aware of newtons physics laws?
If a gun would be able to knock someone down then it'd also be able to knock the guy firing down.
It's Newton's third law if I'm correct.
"To every action there is always an opposed equal reaction" or something like that.
DutchManticore 11 months ago 2