From this aspect...Beside the style Wich is most important ... the Timing.Speed.Accuracy.Stamina.Power are important...Sorry but Tyson edges out.He had more tools than Foreman(who has only power).The fight itself would be mostly resemble Tyson-Ruddock...
Tyson had not the RAW power of Foreman...but he had something much more important...that is Speed and Accuracy...Foreman was so wide open and a good counter boxer would finish him.
@jdt927851 i was saying that because if fighters wou couldnt touch frazier jock strap can take mikes punches then joe would. plus think about how many fighters got ko'd out of fear. from a styles stand point mikes only advantage that he is a fast starter. joe would eat mike up on the inside, tyson was poor inside game. most of tysons kos are from back opponents up or he used his speed to counter them as he came in. he cant do either of these if joe is ripping him with body shots
@jdt927851 from close range. tysons best asset was his combos which he cant throw when joe is that close, he also cant do what foreman did and push him off he doesnt have that type of physical strength. if watch tysons fights he rarely throws punches on the inside, he usually clinches, waits for the ref to separate them, and then try too catch him with something the oppo doesnt see as he was coming in, but once inside he isnt gonna do much. and with joe being aggressive
@jdt927851 and the better inside fighter i think he would win, how is tyson gonna keep joe in combo range? the only way tyson wins this is if he gets joe early, but joe fights harder once he is floored. you also have to take the menatality of both fighters in consideration. how is mike gonna feel when he floors joe and joe gets up right away,fighting harder than ever. how well will make take joe body punches?
@messier991102 Please, this is hughe nonsense. I'd pick Frazier anyday over Tyson in terms of who I like more as a human, but Frazier would have been no match for Tyson. Tyson was way too fast and ferocious for him. Joe basically only had his pressure and left hook. Tyson had it in both hands. This is no contest and probably a TKO in round 1 or 2, because Joe wouldn't give up. If they fought 100 times, Tyson would win a 100 times. But I'd still rank Joe above Tyson for his overal accomplishments
its all bout styles for tyson to be in the range of frazier frazier would be in the range of tyson and i think fraziers head movemant is better for hooks and tyson for uppercuts.imo frazier tko8
Agreed. Tyson hit too hard and was too fast for Joe. Joe did his best work against boxers like Ali, Quarry and Mathis. His style was tailor made for punchers like Tyson and George.
@lizardman77 Yea Frazier would've went up and down than back up right into Tyson bombs.Good Night Joe. But If Frazier survive pass 5 or 8 rounds it's all Smokin joe after that.
Prez, you and I see this match exactly the same way. Like you said, Tyson started fast and weakened as the fight lasted, while Frazier started slowly and got better as the fight progressed. Frazier had more heart, but that wouldn't have mattered. Tyson was a little bigger, a little quicker and probably had a better chin. The right hand, particularly the right uppercut, would be the show closer in my mental picture of this fight.
@adamkotta888 Yea Tyson had too much speed and both hands had Foreman jr. ko power.Frazier only had that left hook.But if it went 8-15 rounds it's all Frazier.
@adamkotta888 lol tyson had better chi than joe frazier? really? george foreman(the hardest puncher and the strongest boxer ever) could not ko frazier really, he knocked down joe 1500 times and frazier lost by tko. past prime holyfield( no way he was a puncher) did hurt tyson seriously.
@combatesdeboxeo Foreman's rank as hardest puncher ever is subjective: Norton,Lyle and Young said Shavers hit harder. Steve Zouski said Tyson hit him harder than Foreman. George could certainly punch and rendered Joe helpless twice. Bonavena came close in their 1st fight. Tyson walked through killer punches from Bruno, Ruddock and Bonecrusher. Buster and Evander needed about 500 clean shots to chop Mike down- and headbutts. Ask Bowe and Ray Mercer if Evander can punch.
@adamkotta888 not, it is not nothing subjetive. foreman was harder puncher than tyson and stronger and it is a fact. holyfield faced bowe,lennox lewis,tyson and old foreman. and evander said that foreman was the hardest puncher ( and still he never faced prime foreman).
foreman knocked lyleout, but lyle took the blows from shavers and he did beat shavers.(facts,not words).
bonavena never was close to knock frazier out. and the frazier who faced foreman was much heavier(214 and 224 punds)
@adamkotta888 evander is not a puncher, he did put all his body weight in his blows and still he didn´t have power of ko with a single shot, evander was a natural lhw-cruiser.
he needed combinations. zouski faced prime tyson and the worst old foreman , he was the first rival of george in his come back. david jaco faced both, old foreman and tyson, and he said that foreman did hit like a bus and tyson did hit like a rapid car.
No surprise I put Rocky at a qestionable 3 because of his 49-0 record.But we all know Rocky would 've never got that record if fought Ali,Foreman,Tyson etc.
i agree also, but louis did not have great chin, maybe louis would win the rematch, but i can see foreman winning by ko once, remenber foreman destroy punchers
I'm not being racist But Louis fought more white figher's in his early career And they was fairly easy for Louis with the exception of Farr,Schmeling,Braddock,Galento and Conn.
Cont: If Louis fought in 60s,70s agianst more black figher's like Liston,Ali,Frazier,Foreman and even Tyson .Louis would've been tested more to the limit and it would've been more tuffer for Louis to fight stronger more movable non flat foot fighter,s Like Ali .I dont think Louis would've been dominant as he was in his era.
Joe Louis was not a uncle Tom in his era.Louis was never much of a talker.And if Louis was arrogant Like Johnson and Ali or bad guy like Tyson.There would've been no way the white boxing commission given a Louis chance to fight for the Championship.
CONT: It's like Jack Johnson who beated the majority of white fighters.But did'nt want to take the chance to fight other black fighters like Sam Langford and etc.Because Johnson knew that black fighters was tuffer than white fighters.
Cont:Again I;m not being racist just telling like it is.Louis only fought three black fighters in his carrer and two gave Louis trouble even Louis was to me past his prime at the time.
Cont: Ali have beated Louis,Foreman would've ko Louis,TYson maybe would've ko Louis.Homes maybe wouild've beated Louis nd thats a maybe.Frazier would've given Louis hell.The great Joe Louis great but he would've hell on his hands.But I can be wrong.Louis was a high stanards.
do u think prime tyson had a chance against prime ali and u did say if tyson didnt have his demons and don king and all the probelms that he had he would have been the greatest hw in the history.
I think a 66-67 Ali would have kept Tyson on the outside with his speedy jabs and danceing would kept Tyson off balance.And Ali would've beated Tyson with his mouth.
first of all you cant compare tyson to foreman in punching power foreman just unleashes death bombs on peoples faces and bodies.
second ur counting out fraziers heart , someone please tell me how many times frazier was knocked down by foreman ? = how many times did he get up !!!.
would of bin an awsome fight i say frazier and that left hook would of dont the deed
This fight would have been toe to toe, bombs away. Both guys with outstanding head movement. Joe would have worked Mike's body with hooks. Mike would not have much success with straight rights or lefts because of Frazier's head movement. Might have caught Joe with some uppercuts. Frazier capable of throwing many more punches than Tyson. Prediction: Frazier busts up Tyson's ribs: 7th round TKO.
i agree with prez, as far as frazier beating top people well he got KTFO by ali and foreman. I dont think he could weather the storm for more than 3 rounds against a tyson in his peak so his stamina and strategy of wearing you down wouldent have helped as the fight probably would be over in 3-5 rounds. you also cant wear someone down who comes straight at you and wails on you keeping you on the defensive.
Former heavyweight champion Joe Frazier, 60, was arrested in February 2004 and charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment. According to Philadelphia cops, Smokin' Joe's victim was the 44-year-old mother of one of his sons.
Former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier recently was arrested in North Philadelphia for assaulting a woman in a domestic dispute, police said.
Frazier, 60, was charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment, police said.
Someone called 911 from the home and when police arrived, a woman who opened the door had injuries to her lip and face and alleged that Frazier struck her
Maybe thats because Frazier was very hard to hit with the highest slipping and ducking rate per round of any heavy in history.Machen was a good puncher who hit Joe on the chin often enough.Joe fat and off and hadn't been to the gym when he fought Foreman,no disgrace being KO'd by prime Foreman.Tyson would also have been anihalated by Foreman(i bet Tyson wouldn't have got up 6 times though!)A bit embaressing that Tyson was scared of 41 year old Foreman though wouldn't you say thats a disgrace?
good call i would agree with that prediction... this is obviously prime tyson were talkin about. woulda been a dynamite fight, but tyson was a bit faster and stronger in his prime altho they had pretty similar styles
Frazier didn't "only have a left hook" He had a great right hand to the body,and the BEST left hook in heavyweight history,and debateably is the best pressure fighter in heavyweight history! Either way Joe was a far superior puncher to Holyfield who couldn't break an eggshelland Holyfield put Tyson on his ass and TKO'd him,=Frazier makes far lighter work of Tyson than Holyfield!
But Frazier depened and use his left hook more than his right.When Tyson fought Holyfield Tyson was not the same fighter he was.He was slowly on his way out.And his best days was behind him.If it was 1987 Holyfield would've been knockout.
Frazier used his left hook to the chin more than his right,but Joe had the whole arsenal of punches,even a good jab.His right hand wasn't as effective as Tyson's to the chin,but was every bit as potent to the body.Holyfield doubled Tyson over with bodyshots,with Joe going to the body better,much more often and much harder he would cripple Tyson.Holyfield was not the same! Its Holyfield thats 6 years older than Tyson,and much more shopworn from all the wars he'd been in! Remember all the press
Why would tyson KO Frazier in 2 rounds?Name 1 fighter as tough and determined as Frazier that Tyson KO'd in 2 rounds! He NEVER KO'd anyone of Fraziers calibre in 2 rounds b4.But lost to lesser fighters than Frazier that weren't scared and had come to fight.Tyson never proved any greatness in his career,but certainly proved,that he lacked what it took to beat the very best.
Why would you think Frazier wouldn't last 2 rounds? Who did Tyson ever KO in 2 rounds that was the same calibre as Frazier? Even easier - Who did Tyson ever BEAT that was the same calibre fighter as Frazier?Prime of course?Please name them.
In the late 1980's hardly any fighter went past 2-5 rounds with Tyson..Again Tyson would've been too fast and too strong for Frazier to handle in the early rounds.Tyson would 've went right at Frazier .Both of them would've been bobing and weaveing to advoid each other punches.But the only thing Tyson had little foreman gloves and it would had stop Frazier.
You failed to answer my question.Who did Tyson ever KO in 2 rounds that in your opinion is the same calibre as Frazier? Or just who did Tyson ever beat that was the same calibre as Frazier? Tyson can't be called invincible on the basis of KOing 2nd rate fighters,please name the names. Frazier beat THE greatest heavy in the history of the sport in '71 and Frazier beat him real good and convincingly,even knocking him down hard. Thats good enough for me,Frazier in the 1st and 3rd fight with Ali
Oh boy ! Look I not going to go back and find all the fighters ko with in 1-2 rounds.Frazier to me was greater than a lot of Tyson opponents.But I can say that about Ali and Foreman,Liston.Shavers.There is no qestion in my mine that Frazier fought better calibre fighters than Tyson.But that dont mean a young 1987 Tyson could'nt beated a slow starter Frazier in the early rounds.
at the time picked Tyson,plenty went as far as to say it was a mismatch,even some saying it was dangerous for Holyfield and that the fight was a disgrace it would be so one sided!!Thats how 'past it' Holyfield had looked against czyz,also Holyfield went into the fight only having won 2 of his last 4 losing 1 by KO.And you wanna make excuses for Tyson!! I'm sorry Tyson's career is full of EVERY excuse in the book! I was 1 of VERY few that picked Holyfield to beat Tyson and i would pick Holyfield
You've missed the point. Tyson not what he had been,i agree.But Holyfield nowhere near what he had been being 4 and half years older than Tyson,losing 2 of his last 4 fights going into the fight,with him looking shopworn even in the 2 he won - He had been through some serious wars(unlike Tyson) which was reflected in what the media were saying b4 the fight.Tyson is afforded every excuse in the book for his losses by some people,but it just doesn't wash it with me,he is what he is and thats how
i judge him. Tyson invincible in the '80's!! Hardly! 1 example is how he fared against the perpetual loser Tiliis,who fought old,fat Bugner the same year he fought Tyson and Bugner beat Tillis more convincingly than Tyson did!! Tillis regularly lost to 3rd rate fighters b4 and after he fought Tyson,yet if Tillis would have won 1 more round against Tyson it would have been a draw!! I could give countless reasons/examples why Tyson was far from invincible.Frazier was damn near invincible in '71.
Majority of time Tyson was invincible. Hey you cant knockout everybody all the time.But majority of times he did in the 80's.Frazier was damn near invincible in '71 ? Well Frazier had no real competition until Ali and Foreman came into his path.I think Frazier is over rated but he still one of the great one's thanks to Ali.
Its my opinion based on the facts.I am confused when people like yourself who appear to have a good grasp of the sport can't see Tyson for what he is/was.A very good,exciting heavyweight,with a crowd pleasing style,fast hands,a great punch and a ruthless 'finisher'.But could be broken mentally,was 1 dimensional with questionable heart/will to win and with more than a hint of 'quit' in him who dominated a very weak heavy division for a short time.He was always found wanting against the best.
showed the punch power,will,determination,heart of a great fighter against the greatest of all time,as a matter of fact the 3rd fight with Ali is the greatest heavyweight fight i've ever seen with Frazier coming back from adversity like a true great warrior and was willing to die in my opinion,and maybe would have if it wasn't for Futch,either that or he would have won.This my friend is what makes Frazier great,now please tell me what makes Tyson deserved to even be mentioned in the same breath?
Yea I agree that was a great fight I know I saw it back in the 70's.But again Tyson wouid' neverbeen able to finsh that type of fight.Late round Tyson was no good this is where Frazier would have beated Tyson.And never said Frazier was not a great fighter.
Sorry,i've just read through what i wrote and realised i put that Holy was 6 years older than Tyson,when i meant to put that Holyfield is 4 years older than Tyson.Same point though!
Absolute nonsense!Tyson's ONLY chance to beat Frazier are the first 2/3 rounds.But i'm talking prime Frazier,not the fat,off, still living off the glory of beating Ali,hadn't even been in a gym since beating Ali Frazier.Prime Tyson,maybe '88 vs prime Frazier '71 and Tyson has got NO WAY of winning.Foreman PROBABLY still beats Frazier even if Frazier had been in the gym,BUT he was FAR more devestating and powerful than Tyson! Foreman lifting Frazier clean off his feet!Just Awesome!!
Like I said Frazier was not a 1 round knockout artist like Tyson .If it went past 8 rounds it would all Frazier.Tyson would've went right at in the first round with speed and knockout power.Frazier would've been stung by Tyson speed and power.Tyson by knockout with in 2 rounds.
You're right Frazier not a 1 round KO artist like Tyson although he took out plenty early.I accept your point,Frazier was a slow starter,whereas Tyson would be like a whirling dervish for first 2 rounds,but the Frazier against Foreman wasn't the same Frazier against Ali,and Tyson is no Foreman when it comes to brute strength,and pure punch stopping power.Frazier by knockout between rounds 6 - 10.
Hmmmm? Frazier was the same Frazier bobbing and weaving trying to get that left hook in.But the difference this was not ALI .Frazier was fighting a stronger fighter than himself with KO in both gloves.Where Ali was more of wear you down fighter not KO artist like Foreman was.Frazier was just no match for Foreman.Tyson had the same KO power like Foreman did but was more faster.
Firstly its well documented that after Frazier beat Ali he was too busy basking in the glory to bother with such trivialties as going to the gym.Also he completely underestimated Foreman as a wild swinging amateurish inexperienced,clumsy lump that could punch hard but had only beaten journeyman fighters.Frazier looked out of shape and weighed 10lbs more than he had for ali.Look at Frazier against Ali in '71 making Ali miss all night,even holding his hands down,mocking Ali whilst slipping his
CONT:Tyson he would've been too fast for a slow starter like Frazier. And Tyson would'veuse atwo arm attack on Frazier would have bob and weave trying to get a left hook in than get caught with a Tyson KO punch. Tyson with in 2 rounds.
punches,and this against Ali who had arguably the fastest hands in heavyweight history.Yet against Foreman he couldn't get out of the way of his telegraphed punches!NO WAY did Frazier look the same against Foreman as he did Ali in '71. I agree Foreman PROBABLY still beats a top condition Frazier,as i think Cus D'amato was right when he said "Its suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier" I definitely put Tyson in that category aswell.
Tyson would also have been anihalated by Foreman,Tyson knew it even avoiding him knowing it would have been the biggest grossing fight of the 90's! Also Tyson has nowhere near the devastating stopping power of Foreman,Holyfield even said Foreman hit him far harder than Tyson.Watch Tyson against Danny Williams,he hits no harder than Danny and as proven by Foreman the last thing a fighter loses is his punch.Frazier 6 - 10 rounds,Frazier would first break Tyson mentally by having absolutely no fear
Hmmm? Ok yea I agree I think Tyson camp did'nt want to take a chance with older Foreman.Foreman could have knock out Tyson if he caught Tyson right. Foreman was stronger than Tyson.
Then by still being there right in front of him after 2 rounds,then Joe would break Tysons heart,then he'd break Tysons resolve,finally KOing him round 6 - 10.With a will to win equal to Holyfields,but with a much bigger punch,and much more pressure,Tysons ONLY chance is to catch Joe cold,but although realistically possible,i very much doubt it and i know where my money would go!
He trained his son and they had the same style. But It was a joke just playin.
jdt927851 1 month ago
Tyson wins TKO 6
jdt927851 1 month ago
This video is fake and gay
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From this aspect...Beside the style Wich is most important ... the Timing.Speed.Accuracy.Stamina.Power are important...Sorry but Tyson edges out.He had more tools than Foreman(who has only power).The fight itself would be mostly resemble Tyson-Ruddock...
Sveles25 6 months ago
Tyson had not the RAW power of Foreman...but he had something much more important...that is Speed and Accuracy...Foreman was so wide open and a good counter boxer would finish him.
Sveles25 6 months ago
how can u honeslty say he can beat frazier in 2 rds he couldnt beat tillis in 2 rds and douglas beat his ass
messier991102 1 year ago
@messier991102 Frazier was different he would have forced Tyson took knock him out. Different Style
jdt927851 1 month ago
@jdt927851 i was saying that because if fighters wou couldnt touch frazier jock strap can take mikes punches then joe would. plus think about how many fighters got ko'd out of fear. from a styles stand point mikes only advantage that he is a fast starter. joe would eat mike up on the inside, tyson was poor inside game. most of tysons kos are from back opponents up or he used his speed to counter them as he came in. he cant do either of these if joe is ripping him with body shots
messier991102 1 month ago
@jdt927851 from close range. tysons best asset was his combos which he cant throw when joe is that close, he also cant do what foreman did and push him off he doesnt have that type of physical strength. if watch tysons fights he rarely throws punches on the inside, he usually clinches, waits for the ref to separate them, and then try too catch him with something the oppo doesnt see as he was coming in, but once inside he isnt gonna do much. and with joe being aggressive
messier991102 1 month ago
@messier991102 That is true but I just think Tyson was to fast and he had a better jab. Tyson was stronger than Frazier plus he knocked out his son
jdt927851 1 month ago
@jdt927851 what does knocking out his son have to do with anything.
messier991102 1 month ago
@jdt927851 and the better inside fighter i think he would win, how is tyson gonna keep joe in combo range? the only way tyson wins this is if he gets joe early, but joe fights harder once he is floored. you also have to take the menatality of both fighters in consideration. how is mike gonna feel when he floors joe and joe gets up right away,fighting harder than ever. how well will make take joe body punches?
messier991102 1 month ago
@messier991102 Please, this is hughe nonsense. I'd pick Frazier anyday over Tyson in terms of who I like more as a human, but Frazier would have been no match for Tyson. Tyson was way too fast and ferocious for him. Joe basically only had his pressure and left hook. Tyson had it in both hands. This is no contest and probably a TKO in round 1 or 2, because Joe wouldn't give up. If they fought 100 times, Tyson would win a 100 times. But I'd still rank Joe above Tyson for his overal accomplishments
michaelyouth 2 weeks ago
frazier beat the argentine champ canadian champ jimmy ellis a champ in wba and ali the goat
messier991102 1 year ago
its all bout styles for tyson to be in the range of frazier frazier would be in the range of tyson and i think fraziers head movemant is better for hooks and tyson for uppercuts.imo frazier tko8
messier991102 1 year ago
@messier991102 Tyson TKO in 6 to Fast
jdt927851 1 month ago
Agreed. Tyson hit too hard and was too fast for Joe. Joe did his best work against boxers like Ali, Quarry and Mathis. His style was tailor made for punchers like Tyson and George.
lizardman77 1 year ago
@lizardman77 Yea Frazier would've went up and down than back up right into Tyson bombs.Good Night Joe. But If Frazier survive pass 5 or 8 rounds it's all Smokin joe after that.
PREZ150 1 year ago
tyson just has too much lateral movement for frazier
allbusiness1985 1 year ago
Prez, you and I see this match exactly the same way. Like you said, Tyson started fast and weakened as the fight lasted, while Frazier started slowly and got better as the fight progressed. Frazier had more heart, but that wouldn't have mattered. Tyson was a little bigger, a little quicker and probably had a better chin. The right hand, particularly the right uppercut, would be the show closer in my mental picture of this fight.
adamkotta888 1 year ago
@adamkotta888 Yea Tyson had too much speed and both hands had Foreman jr. ko power.Frazier only had that left hook.But if it went 8-15 rounds it's all Frazier.
PREZ150 1 year ago
@PREZ150 no way did does tyson have the same power as foreman.
krypticzisback 9 months ago
@krypticzisback Look when saw Tyson knock out a fighter it prove to me that he at least had Foreman's Jr power.LOL
PREZ150 9 months ago
@adamkotta888 lol tyson had better chi than joe frazier? really? george foreman(the hardest puncher and the strongest boxer ever) could not ko frazier really, he knocked down joe 1500 times and frazier lost by tko. past prime holyfield( no way he was a puncher) did hurt tyson seriously.
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@combatesdeboxeo Foreman's rank as hardest puncher ever is subjective: Norton,Lyle and Young said Shavers hit harder. Steve Zouski said Tyson hit him harder than Foreman. George could certainly punch and rendered Joe helpless twice. Bonavena came close in their 1st fight. Tyson walked through killer punches from Bruno, Ruddock and Bonecrusher. Buster and Evander needed about 500 clean shots to chop Mike down- and headbutts. Ask Bowe and Ray Mercer if Evander can punch.
adamkotta888 1 year ago
@adamkotta888 not, it is not nothing subjetive. foreman was harder puncher than tyson and stronger and it is a fact. holyfield faced bowe,lennox lewis,tyson and old foreman. and evander said that foreman was the hardest puncher ( and still he never faced prime foreman).
foreman knocked lyleout, but lyle took the blows from shavers and he did beat shavers.(facts,not words).
bonavena never was close to knock frazier out. and the frazier who faced foreman was much heavier(214 and 224 punds)
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@adamkotta888 evander is not a puncher, he did put all his body weight in his blows and still he didn´t have power of ko with a single shot, evander was a natural lhw-cruiser.
he needed combinations. zouski faced prime tyson and the worst old foreman , he was the first rival of george in his come back. david jaco faced both, old foreman and tyson, and he said that foreman did hit like a bus and tyson did hit like a rapid car.
foreman had much higher ko%
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@adamkotta888 even oliver mccall(his former sparring partner) said that Bert Cooper did hit him harder than tyson or lennox lewis
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
@adamkotta888 "Buster and Evander needed about 500 clean shots to chop Mike down"
tyson faced past prime holyfield, OLD foreman faced PRIME HOLYFIELD and george took 100 clean shots from evander and foreman never was down
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
If Tyson & Frazier did come up against each other - both in their prime it'd be a real neck and neck, amazing fight to watch.
Tyson had a lung problem which a lot of people didn't know about. This wore him down after about the 5th round.
But Frazier was a real fighter (Thrilla In Manilla) and could fight and fight until he won or the fight was stopped
My prediction:
If Tyson didn't end it in the first few round (which he could), Frazier would dominate him.
MrBumboclart 1 year ago
@MrBumboclart Frazier would dominate Tyson in late rounds.
PREZ150 1 year ago
John L Sullivan would be good in the WWF
PREZ150 2 years ago
No surprise I put Rocky at a qestionable 3 because of his 49-0 record.But we all know Rocky would 've never got that record if fought Ali,Foreman,Tyson etc.
PREZ150 2 years ago
1. Muhammad Ali.
2. Joe Louis.
3. Rocky Marciano.
4. George Foreman
5. Joe Frazier
6.Larry Holmes.
7. Jack Johnson
8. Jack Dempsey
9.Sonny Liston
10.Mike Tyson
PREZ150 2 years ago
prez, foreman would kill marciano in 4 rounds, i think foreman would ko louis too.
consta4891 2 years ago
I agree with the frist.But the second maybe and maybe not.
PREZ150 2 years ago
i agree also, but louis did not have great chin, maybe louis would win the rematch, but i can see foreman winning by ko once, remenber foreman destroy punchers
consta4891 2 years ago
I'm not being racist But Louis fought more white figher's in his early career And they was fairly easy for Louis with the exception of Farr,Schmeling,Braddock,Galento and Conn.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Cont: If Louis fought in 60s,70s agianst more black figher's like Liston,Ali,Frazier,Foreman and even Tyson .Louis would've been tested more to the limit and it would've been more tuffer for Louis to fight stronger more movable non flat foot fighter,s Like Ali .I dont think Louis would've been dominant as he was in his era.
PREZ150 2 years ago
I AGREE 100%, I THINK JOE LOUIS IS OVERRATED BECAUSE HE WAS A "GOOD GUY BLACK" AND JOE LOUIS WAS 1 UNCLE TOM ALL We KNOW IT.
consta4891 2 years ago
Joe Louis was not a uncle Tom in his era.Louis was never much of a talker.And if Louis was arrogant Like Johnson and Ali or bad guy like Tyson.There would've been no way the white boxing commission given a Louis chance to fight for the Championship.
PREZ150 2 years ago
man, joe louis is overrrated , frazier and marciano are underrated
consta4891 2 years ago
CONT: It's like Jack Johnson who beated the majority of white fighters.But did'nt want to take the chance to fight other black fighters like Sam Langford and etc.Because Johnson knew that black fighters was tuffer than white fighters.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Cont:Again I;m not being racist just telling like it is.Louis only fought three black fighters in his carrer and two gave Louis trouble even Louis was to me past his prime at the time.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Cont: Ali have beated Louis,Foreman would've ko Louis,TYson maybe would've ko Louis.Homes maybe wouild've beated Louis nd thats a maybe.Frazier would've given Louis hell.The great Joe Louis great but he would've hell on his hands.But I can be wrong.Louis was a high stanards.
PREZ150 2 years ago
louis said that he cOULD not handle boxers of pressure like marciano. I CAN SEE FRAZIER WINNING LOUIS
consta4891 2 years ago
Louis was just being nice.
PREZ150 2 years ago
George Chuvalo was tuff as a battle ship.I dont think even Foreman could of knock Chuvalo down.OOPS Did i say that :o
PREZ150 2 years ago
Hmmm? The late 1980's Tyson was unstoppable train.Tyson by ko with in 5 rounds.Or maybe by 2
PREZ150 2 years ago
That's easy The Original Sugar Ray.And heaven for bid that Robinson did lose.The rematch would be the end of Sugar Ray Leonard.
PREZ150 2 years ago
do u think prime tyson had a chance against prime ali and u did say if tyson didnt have his demons and don king and all the probelms that he had he would have been the greatest hw in the history.
MultiGreat1 2 years ago
Yep Tyson would've been the greatest heavyweight by boxing record alone as long as he kept undefeated thats all.
PREZ150 2 years ago
I think a 66-67 Ali would have kept Tyson on the outside with his speedy jabs and danceing would kept Tyson off balance.And Ali would've beated Tyson with his mouth.
PREZ150 2 years ago
first of all you cant compare tyson to foreman in punching power foreman just unleashes death bombs on peoples faces and bodies.
second ur counting out fraziers heart , someone please tell me how many times frazier was knocked down by foreman ? = how many times did he get up !!!.
would of bin an awsome fight i say frazier and that left hook would of dont the deed
NAWFMATIC 2 years ago
first of all yes i can compare tyson power to Forearm kn power.Tyson had foreman ko power is a small speedy package.
PREZ150 2 years ago
CONT:No qestion that Frazier had heart.And it dont matter how many times frazier was knock down the point he was and he got up.
PREZ150 2 years ago
This fight would have been toe to toe, bombs away. Both guys with outstanding head movement. Joe would have worked Mike's body with hooks. Mike would not have much success with straight rights or lefts because of Frazier's head movement. Might have caught Joe with some uppercuts. Frazier capable of throwing many more punches than Tyson. Prediction: Frazier busts up Tyson's ribs: 7th round TKO.
wheelinthesky300 2 years ago
Hmmm? Nope Tyson would've hit Frazier with on them Foreman bombs with in 3 rounds.But if it went past 5-12 rounds it's all Frazier.
PREZ150 2 years ago
i agree with prez, as far as frazier beating top people well he got KTFO by ali and foreman. I dont think he could weather the storm for more than 3 rounds against a tyson in his peak so his stamina and strategy of wearing you down wouldent have helped as the fight probably would be over in 3-5 rounds. you also cant wear someone down who comes straight at you and wails on you keeping you on the defensive.
xchrisbobisx 2 years ago
foreman stronger and harder puncher than mike tyson.
and ali had more stamina than tyson
consta4891 2 years ago
good opinion, prez, but i still i think that holyfield 89-90 would win any tyson(it is for his styles).
consta4891 2 years ago
stamina;joe
heart:joe
chin:joe
body puncher:joe
face puncher: tyson
speed:tyson
stronger:equal
Aggressiveness: equal i choose joe frazier in 10 rounds by tko.
tyson did not have the power of foreman.
and holyfield 89-90 would win any tyson.
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MrPalspal 2 years ago
Frazier didnt have the chin to absorb heavy blows like Ali. Frazier's chin didnt get exposed until he fought Foreman
LORDWINDU 2 years ago
Maybe thats because Frazier was very hard to hit with the highest slipping and ducking rate per round of any heavy in history.Machen was a good puncher who hit Joe on the chin often enough.Joe fat and off and hadn't been to the gym when he fought Foreman,no disgrace being KO'd by prime Foreman.Tyson would also have been anihalated by Foreman(i bet Tyson wouldn't have got up 6 times though!)A bit embaressing that Tyson was scared of 41 year old Foreman though wouldn't you say thats a disgrace?
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
good call i would agree with that prediction... this is obviously prime tyson were talkin about. woulda been a dynamite fight, but tyson was a bit faster and stronger in his prime altho they had pretty similar styles
thekid2189 2 years ago
Right remember Frazier only had a left hook.Tyson had KO in both gloves no matter what punch he threw .
PREZ150 2 years ago
Frazier didn't "only have a left hook" He had a great right hand to the body,and the BEST left hook in heavyweight history,and debateably is the best pressure fighter in heavyweight history! Either way Joe was a far superior puncher to Holyfield who couldn't break an eggshelland Holyfield put Tyson on his ass and TKO'd him,=Frazier makes far lighter work of Tyson than Holyfield!
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
But Frazier depened and use his left hook more than his right.When Tyson fought Holyfield Tyson was not the same fighter he was.He was slowly on his way out.And his best days was behind him.If it was 1987 Holyfield would've been knockout.
PREZ150 2 years ago
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buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Frazier used his left hook to the chin more than his right,but Joe had the whole arsenal of punches,even a good jab.His right hand wasn't as effective as Tyson's to the chin,but was every bit as potent to the body.Holyfield doubled Tyson over with bodyshots,with Joe going to the body better,much more often and much harder he would cripple Tyson.Holyfield was not the same! Its Holyfield thats 6 years older than Tyson,and much more shopworn from all the wars he'd been in! Remember all the press
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Maybe but how would Frazier do that to Tyson when he would've been knockout with in 2 rounds ?
PREZ150 2 years ago
Why would tyson KO Frazier in 2 rounds?Name 1 fighter as tough and determined as Frazier that Tyson KO'd in 2 rounds! He NEVER KO'd anyone of Fraziers calibre in 2 rounds b4.But lost to lesser fighters than Frazier that weren't scared and had come to fight.Tyson never proved any greatness in his career,but certainly proved,that he lacked what it took to beat the very best.
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Why would you think Frazier wouldn't last 2 rounds? Who did Tyson ever KO in 2 rounds that was the same calibre as Frazier? Even easier - Who did Tyson ever BEAT that was the same calibre fighter as Frazier?Prime of course?Please name them.
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
In the late 1980's hardly any fighter went past 2-5 rounds with Tyson..Again Tyson would've been too fast and too strong for Frazier to handle in the early rounds.Tyson would 've went right at Frazier .Both of them would've been bobing and weaveing to advoid each other punches.But the only thing Tyson had little foreman gloves and it would had stop Frazier.
PREZ150 2 years ago
You failed to answer my question.Who did Tyson ever KO in 2 rounds that in your opinion is the same calibre as Frazier? Or just who did Tyson ever beat that was the same calibre as Frazier? Tyson can't be called invincible on the basis of KOing 2nd rate fighters,please name the names. Frazier beat THE greatest heavy in the history of the sport in '71 and Frazier beat him real good and convincingly,even knocking him down hard. Thats good enough for me,Frazier in the 1st and 3rd fight with Ali
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Oh boy ! Look I not going to go back and find all the fighters ko with in 1-2 rounds.Frazier to me was greater than a lot of Tyson opponents.But I can say that about Ali and Foreman,Liston.Shavers.There is no qestion in my mine that Frazier fought better calibre fighters than Tyson.But that dont mean a young 1987 Tyson could'nt beated a slow starter Frazier in the early rounds.
PREZ150 2 years ago
at the time picked Tyson,plenty went as far as to say it was a mismatch,even some saying it was dangerous for Holyfield and that the fight was a disgrace it would be so one sided!!Thats how 'past it' Holyfield had looked against czyz,also Holyfield went into the fight only having won 2 of his last 4 losing 1 by KO.And you wanna make excuses for Tyson!! I'm sorry Tyson's career is full of EVERY excuse in the book! I was 1 of VERY few that picked Holyfield to beat Tyson and i would pick Holyfield
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
When Tyson fought Holyfield Tyson best days was behind him.He was not the same invicible fighter he was in the 1980's
PREZ150 2 years ago
You've missed the point. Tyson not what he had been,i agree.But Holyfield nowhere near what he had been being 4 and half years older than Tyson,losing 2 of his last 4 fights going into the fight,with him looking shopworn even in the 2 he won - He had been through some serious wars(unlike Tyson) which was reflected in what the media were saying b4 the fight.Tyson is afforded every excuse in the book for his losses by some people,but it just doesn't wash it with me,he is what he is and thats how
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
i judge him. Tyson invincible in the '80's!! Hardly! 1 example is how he fared against the perpetual loser Tiliis,who fought old,fat Bugner the same year he fought Tyson and Bugner beat Tillis more convincingly than Tyson did!! Tillis regularly lost to 3rd rate fighters b4 and after he fought Tyson,yet if Tillis would have won 1 more round against Tyson it would have been a draw!! I could give countless reasons/examples why Tyson was far from invincible.Frazier was damn near invincible in '71.
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Majority of time Tyson was invincible. Hey you cant knockout everybody all the time.But majority of times he did in the 80's.Frazier was damn near invincible in '71 ? Well Frazier had no real competition until Ali and Foreman came into his path.I think Frazier is over rated but he still one of the great one's thanks to Ali.
PREZ150 2 years ago
to beat Tyson at ANY point in Tyson's career as long as Holyfield weighed at least 200lb's.And Frazier would beat both of them.
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Your opinion buddy.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Its my opinion based on the facts.I am confused when people like yourself who appear to have a good grasp of the sport can't see Tyson for what he is/was.A very good,exciting heavyweight,with a crowd pleasing style,fast hands,a great punch and a ruthless 'finisher'.But could be broken mentally,was 1 dimensional with questionable heart/will to win and with more than a hint of 'quit' in him who dominated a very weak heavy division for a short time.He was always found wanting against the best.
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Tyson & Frazier Early rounds Tyson wins later rounds it's Frazier.
1980's Tyson & Holyfield ? Tyson wins later rounds ? there would be no late rounds.
And we all know what happen 1995-96
PREZ150 2 years ago
showed the punch power,will,determination,heart of a great fighter against the greatest of all time,as a matter of fact the 3rd fight with Ali is the greatest heavyweight fight i've ever seen with Frazier coming back from adversity like a true great warrior and was willing to die in my opinion,and maybe would have if it wasn't for Futch,either that or he would have won.This my friend is what makes Frazier great,now please tell me what makes Tyson deserved to even be mentioned in the same breath?
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Yea I agree that was a great fight I know I saw it back in the 70's.But again Tyson wouid' neverbeen able to finsh that type of fight.Late round Tyson was no good this is where Frazier would have beated Tyson.And never said Frazier was not a great fighter.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Sorry,i've just read through what i wrote and realised i put that Holy was 6 years older than Tyson,when i meant to put that Holyfield is 4 years older than Tyson.Same point though!
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
good pt
thekid2189 2 years ago
@PREZ150 I agree with you Tyson TKO 6
jdt927851 1 month ago
Absolute nonsense!Tyson's ONLY chance to beat Frazier are the first 2/3 rounds.But i'm talking prime Frazier,not the fat,off, still living off the glory of beating Ali,hadn't even been in a gym since beating Ali Frazier.Prime Tyson,maybe '88 vs prime Frazier '71 and Tyson has got NO WAY of winning.Foreman PROBABLY still beats Frazier even if Frazier had been in the gym,BUT he was FAR more devestating and powerful than Tyson! Foreman lifting Frazier clean off his feet!Just Awesome!!
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Like I said Frazier was not a 1 round knockout artist like Tyson .If it went past 8 rounds it would all Frazier.Tyson would've went right at in the first round with speed and knockout power.Frazier would've been stung by Tyson speed and power.Tyson by knockout with in 2 rounds.
PREZ150 2 years ago
You're right Frazier not a 1 round KO artist like Tyson although he took out plenty early.I accept your point,Frazier was a slow starter,whereas Tyson would be like a whirling dervish for first 2 rounds,but the Frazier against Foreman wasn't the same Frazier against Ali,and Tyson is no Foreman when it comes to brute strength,and pure punch stopping power.Frazier by knockout between rounds 6 - 10.
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Hmmmm? Frazier was the same Frazier bobbing and weaving trying to get that left hook in.But the difference this was not ALI .Frazier was fighting a stronger fighter than himself with KO in both gloves.Where Ali was more of wear you down fighter not KO artist like Foreman was.Frazier was just no match for Foreman.Tyson had the same KO power like Foreman did but was more faster.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Firstly its well documented that after Frazier beat Ali he was too busy basking in the glory to bother with such trivialties as going to the gym.Also he completely underestimated Foreman as a wild swinging amateurish inexperienced,clumsy lump that could punch hard but had only beaten journeyman fighters.Frazier looked out of shape and weighed 10lbs more than he had for ali.Look at Frazier against Ali in '71 making Ali miss all night,even holding his hands down,mocking Ali whilst slipping his
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
CONT:Tyson he would've been too fast for a slow starter like Frazier. And Tyson would'veuse atwo arm attack on Frazier would have bob and weave trying to get a left hook in than get caught with a Tyson KO punch. Tyson with in 2 rounds.
PREZ150 2 years ago
punches,and this against Ali who had arguably the fastest hands in heavyweight history.Yet against Foreman he couldn't get out of the way of his telegraphed punches!NO WAY did Frazier look the same against Foreman as he did Ali in '71. I agree Foreman PROBABLY still beats a top condition Frazier,as i think Cus D'amato was right when he said "Its suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier" I definitely put Tyson in that category aswell.
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Remember Foreman was stronger than Ali but Ali beated Foreman with his mind and mouth than of coarse his boxing skills.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Tyson would also have been anihalated by Foreman,Tyson knew it even avoiding him knowing it would have been the biggest grossing fight of the 90's! Also Tyson has nowhere near the devastating stopping power of Foreman,Holyfield even said Foreman hit him far harder than Tyson.Watch Tyson against Danny Williams,he hits no harder than Danny and as proven by Foreman the last thing a fighter loses is his punch.Frazier 6 - 10 rounds,Frazier would first break Tyson mentally by having absolutely no fear
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Hmmm? Ok yea I agree I think Tyson camp did'nt want to take a chance with older Foreman.Foreman could have knock out Tyson if he caught Tyson right. Foreman was stronger than Tyson.
PREZ150 2 years ago
Then by still being there right in front of him after 2 rounds,then Joe would break Tysons heart,then he'd break Tysons resolve,finally KOing him round 6 - 10.With a will to win equal to Holyfields,but with a much bigger punch,and much more pressure,Tysons ONLY chance is to catch Joe cold,but although realistically possible,i very much doubt it and i know where my money would go!
buzzinhard71 2 years ago
Down goes Frazier Down goes Frazier.Tyson win's by knock out in the first round.
PREZ150 2 years ago
HAHAHA! VERY SCIENTIFIC!!
buzzinhard71 2 years ago