That's true Ariamaluum, although MLK Sr. switched to the Democrats in 1960 after the Kennedys helped get MLK Jr. out of jail in Georgia. MLK Sr. gave the invocation at the Democratic National Conventions of 1976 and 1980.
The Military Industrial Complex sure is leading us around nowadays. Have you heard any mention of Civil rights at this Republican convention?
No. And Rudy's speech was an embarrassment. All insult, no enlightenment. They'll need hacked voting machines or a war with Iran to win. A tricky Dick job.
Your a leftist tool my friend. Rudy did exactly what he wanted to do and that was provide red meat. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Palin and Mccain took care of the other important issues.
Hoover and eisenhower :D love um nixon is ... ehh... tysm for uploading this anything to do with Republican's past I SHALL LOVE i wish i hadn't already subscribed so i could subscribe now! :D
It amazes me how long it takes for a party to elect it's leader in the USA(over a year with lots of rallies)...In my country Australia, we have a party room vote of sitting parliament party members and it's all over in the hour..much shorter and lots cheaper !!
It actually used to be much that way in the US. However, it was changed years ago to "Primaries" (the voters of each state cast a ballot for their favorite) because the general population was left out of the nominating process.
Nixon's the One! Incidentally, MLK forgot to say what he was going to do for me, a German American. Nixon, on the other hand, addressed serious issues of national security for all Americans, not just for some of the Americans.
@stephenwinkler MLK did fight for all americans but he wasnt running for president. So why would you criticize him like it was his job to appeal to everyone? And blacks were americans. So anyone that did not address civil rights did not address all americans interest.
@rashadkijani MLK did not fight for me. I criticize him for coming out to Los Angeles and calling our police chief and mayor racists. That is throwing petrol on the fire of the riots. How about giving Chief Parker and Mayor Yorty some moral support during this emergency crisis? Nixon also addressed civil rights. Why not give him a national holiday too. Why not give every ethnic group a hero and a national holiday. Who made blacks the master race or the chosen people? I thougth we were all equal.
@stephenwinkler I dont know what iincident you are refering to but so what if he called some police chief and firemen racist? Why do you take it personal? Plenty of people called and still call the policeman bull connor racist. Do you get mad when someone calls him racist too? And addressing civil rights and fighting for civil rights is 2 different things. So yes he did address civil rights but what side did he take and what did he intend to do about it. ARe you saying a cop cant be racist?
@rashadkijani The incident is the Watts riots of 1965. MLK encouraged the criminals and arsonists on our streets, while Mayor Sam Yorty and Police Chief William Parker made every possible effort to restore law and order. I take it personal, because when I annoucned my support for Hillary Clinton and John McCain, people started calling me a racist and they have not stopped. It is none of my business if a cop is a racist, as long as the cop does his/her job in protecting me.
@stephenwinkler And what does someone calling you racist today have to do with incidents 40yrs ago? What does your choice of political candidate today have to do with the events that took place during the 60's civil rights movement? And why do you call those blacks criminals? Do you also call some of the founding fathers and the people who supported them as criminals since some of them rioted also becuz of the oppression from the british?
@rashadkijani I"m not callling anybody a criminal, because I do not do name-calling. However, a person who breaks the law of our land is a criminal. Now, I may add, there is such a thing, as an unjust law. Every possible effort should be made to prove the law unjust and to repeal the unjust law. However, until that is done, the violator of the law is still a criminal. Now some laws may be in violation of our constitution and then if you violate those laws, well then it gets complicated.
@stephenwinkler Are you saying MLK should have support the police when some of them were the ones turning fire hoses, beating , and turning dogs on him and other blacks simply becuz they were non-violently protesting the racial injustice in this country?
@rashadkijani If this was Europe, instead of America, those fire hoses would have been flame throwers. So stop complaining! Europe, unlike America, does not allow periods of anarchy and chaos, because it is a danger to public safety and my life is precious to me. I behave myself and I expect others to treat me with politeness and respect.
@stephenwinkler What a morally bakrupt argument. You argument doesnt address the injustices of what went on in that time you simply tell the victim that they should be grateful becuz of what method their oppressor is using to oppress them with. That is like telling a woman she should be grateful to be raped in america becuz they rape women at knife point in america but in another country they rape women at gunpoint. You obviously sympathize with the oppressors.
@rashadkijani Now you have done it. You have bought God into the argument. Exodus, Ch.21; Leviticus, Ch 25; Deuteronomy,Ch 15; Luke, Ch 12; Ephesians, Ch.6; 1stTimothy,Ch.6; Colossians Ch.3. Justify both slavery and segregation. Rev. Alexander Campbell, founder of the Disciples of Christ, also is in agreement for the justification of both slavery and segregation. If you disagree, then complain to the Most High God, not to me.
@stephenwinkler How did I bring God into the argument? The only thing brought to this argument is your agreement with the same world view that white supremacist held when MLK was alive. Many white supremacist pastors preached that God wanted and condoned slavery and segregation in america when MLK was alive and of course even before the MLK era.
@rashadkijani You mentioned that my argument was morally bankrupt. That is how you bought God into the argument, because how do we know, what is morally right or wrong without God? How do I know that slavery and segregation are wrong? What is wrong? The Hindus say it is wrong for me to eat a hamburger. The Jews say it is wrong for me to drive my automobile on the Sabbath Day, which is from Friday evening until Saturday evening. I read my Bible and go to Church on Sunday. I hope you do too.
@stephenwinkler "How about giving Chief Parker and Mayor Yorty some moral support during this emergency crisis?"
So what you were the one that suggested that MLK wasnt giving enough "moral" support to the local police. So its you who brought God into the subject.
@rashadkijani When I mentioned "moral support" I was using the phrase in a completely different context, than the struggle between good and evil. I was using "moral support" as a form of encouragement, nothing to do with the morality issue. Sorry, that you misunderstood me.
@stephenwinkler Well either way you obviously think MLK was wrong since you criticized hiim and the civil rights movement for breaking the laws of the land. And I dont think someone who breaks a injust law is criminal. I think the peron who continues to uphold a injust law is a criminal and most likely a morally bankrupt coward.
@rashadkijani I do think that MLK was wrong. I do not think of myself as a coward, just because I disagree with you. I went to seven states for Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Some people love segregation. For example, LAUSD is almost one hundred percent Hispanic. Why? Where are all the black and white children going to school? All the schools I work in is almost all-Spanish speaking. That is segregation. I guess the locals want it that way. What do you say?
@stephenwinkler That segregation is not backed by the government if people segregate themselves for what ever reason along racial lines that is one thing. But it is not backed by government law . You said you work there well if they exclude along racial lines. How are you working there?I dont see why you cant make a distinction between what went on yrs ago and what you call segregation today. And what was MLK wrong about? Why was it wrong for him to demand that non-whites be treated fairly?
@rashadkijani I was not talking about the teachers; I was talking about the student body. There is no legal exclusion; but, in fact, there are very few non-Spanish students. MLK was wrong to become part of the problem, instead of part of the solution during the Watts riots. In times of anarchy, you must suport authority. LBJ supported MLK on civil rights; MLK should have supported LBJ on the war; one hand will wash the other hand.
@stephenwinkler People usually go to the school next to them so if the neighborhood is predominantly a certain skin color then usaully the students that go there are going to reflect that. There is no law other people of a different skin color cant move into that neighborhood and send their children to the local school. And how did MLK become part of the problem? And if you admit there is a problem to be apart of why arent you criticizing those who were the problem in the first place?
@rashadkijani MLK became part of the problem, because he encouraged the bad elements causing a disturbance of the peace. The people smashing windows and burning down the buildings were the problem in the first place. Coming from Germany, I would have solved the problem with flame throwers, because that is what they used in the old country. The bad elements seemed to like fire anyway, because they were burning our city down. Why not give them a dose of their own medicine?
@stephenwinkler Well i think the white supremacist that believed in "whites only" signs killings blacks,and tellings black they couldnt vote were the bad elemnats. So when a police officer supported laws that those white supremacist believed in or made. It was the police officer that became part of the problem and encouraged disturbances in the community. And why do you say they burned your city down?
@rashadkijani From 1963 to 1969, I lived in Los Angeles and lived through the Watts riots. A police officer is sworn to uphold the law, not to make the law nor to interpret the law. A police officer would be negligent in his/her duties, if a particular law was not enforced. We pay our taxes for law enforcement. We also elect a legislative body to make the laws and elect judges to interpret those laws for us. That is our system of government.
@stephenwinkler Exactly what are you calling a "problem"? You do know that whites killed lynched and just did cruel stuff to non-whites legally sanctioned during that time dont you? Do you see that as a "problem"? Or are you saying you dont see any "problem" with whites doing that?
@rashadkijani Disturbance of the peace is a problem. Unable to go to the store, because the store is burned to the ground is a problem. Not being able to go outside, because there is a riot, is a problem. Regarding lynchings, there were isolated incidents and those incidents were handled by local law enforcement. Like Steve Douglas once said, "one damn fool doing violence to another damn fool." The lynch mob were fools, but so was the accused for the commission of the offense he was in jail for.
@stephenwinkler Black people couldnt go to church becuz whites would burn the churches down or even bomb the churches. You didnt think that was disturbing the peace? How come when whites bombed black churches killed black to scare them from voting, and did anything else cruel they wanted you dont call that disturbing the peace? How come disturbing the peace to you is only when some blacks burnt something down? I dont think blacks could disturb the peace cuz there was no peace to disturb.
@rashadkijani In May 1844, Nativist Americans burned down St. Augustine Catholic Church in Philadelphia. There were disturbances of peace between Native Americans and Irish Catholics that led to the Act of Consolidation of 1854. This was due to the incompetence of the County of Philadelphia in Northern Liberties, Southwark, Kensington, and Spring Garden. So, yes, we are all guilty of disturbing the peace. I completely agree with you on that one.
@stephenwinkler How did that answer my question? I dont care if a police officer is sworn to uphold the law . What does that have to do with the injust law he might be upholding. If the officer is upholding tan injust law then the officer is injust. and those blacks were alive and were living thru the oppression whites were putting them under. So why do you think their acts were disturbing the peace but the racial bigotry they lived under wasnt disturbing the peace?
@rashadkijani The racial bigotry did not prevent me from the business of life. I cannot go to the bank, the post office, the store, to Church, to the library or anywhere through a war zone. The riots shut down society, until law and order were restored. It is not the function of law enforcement to interpret the law. They swear under oath, that they take their oath freeley, without any mental reservation. If they have any mental reservation, then we do not want them wearing a badge.
@stephenwinkler The racial bigotry stopped blacks from giong to work or not getting a job in the first place. The racial bigotry stopped blacks from voting and going to the church or just living their lives like any other human being. And blacks are apart of society so the racial bigotry did to shut down society? You only show what point Im making when I ask you Why do you only call it disturbing the peace when you or some other white person's life is bothered?
@rashadkijani You know something, you watch some of these old black-and-white movies and everybody gets along fine. In the "Birth of the Blues," Anderson, a black man, is a servant to Crosby, and he is as happy as a fish in water. Same thing in the Shirley Temple movies. Blacks are happy as servants. We all get along, until MLK comes along and starts making trouble. Before MLK, everybody loved everybody and everybody was happy in the role, God assigned them in his creation.
Boy you really have some issues. Jim Crow laws didnt allow blacks to ever show how the majority of them feel. You continue to show you have the same mentality today that the white supreamcist did back when MLK was alive.
@rashadkijani In the Book of Genesis, Ham, the descendent of blacks, disrespected his father, Noah. Canaan, the Son of Ham, was cursed to slavery by his father, Noah. I cannot change the Word of God nor alter his Law. Blacks have a mission in life. For example, blacks invented blue music; blue music is the basis of all popular music. In sports too, they have made a valuable contribution. However, placing a black man into the White House is a sin against the Most High God.
@stephenwinkler No the only sin is how you have such contempt for your fellow man. I dont understand how people think the way you do.SMH! White americans in general as a whole enslaved and slaughtered and comitted every injustice they could against non-whites legally sanctioned for lmost 200yrs yet you have the nerve to say that everyone was happy before MLK came along. Well I dont call that happpiness. I also dont call that God or justice.
@rashadkijani, I love my fellow man! White Americans built this country. You see anybody else's signature on the Declaration of Independence? You see anybody else signing the United States Constitution? The Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, and 1798 offered American citizenship to only "free white persons." I cannot rewrite United States history. Whites ran the show, until 2009.
@stephenwinkler You have some very serious issues You do not like your fellow man you admit you dont even see blacks as people.God did not make blacks slaves to white people. That was a choice whites chose to do since they outnumbered blacks. Nor do I think you care about God either you just use the bible to support racial bigotry.
@rashadkijani, Blacks are people. If you think otherwise, then you totally misunderstood my position. God did not make blacks as slaves; I agree with you one million percent. Blacks sold other blacks into slavery. The original Muhammad Ali was governor of Egypt and he sold blacks into slavery. Ham sinned against Noah; Noah cursed Canaan into slavery. I love God and my fellow men, regardless of the skin color. However, I cannot change the Law of God nor take away the curse of Noah.
@stephenwinkler What do you mean blacks sold themselves into slavery? Do see the blacks who did the selling as the same people as the blacks they sold? And do you see the whites who sold other whites as slaves in history as the same people too? And you said blacks were happy as servants . And have suggested that is the way God designed it so you are saying that God made blacks slaves to whites. You also called putting a black man in the white house a sin.
@rashadkijani , Allow me to say, that blacks have every right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Blacks have invented blue music, which is the foundation of popular music. Joe Louis was our longest reigning heavyweight champion and with the most title defenses. However, "the pursuit of happiness" does not include the presidency of the United States. The curse of Noah forbids this! Ham sinned and earned this curse, but it was not God's original intention.
@stephenwinkler How can you say you believe that blacks should be able to pursuit happiness then say they shouldnt be able to be president? I f a blackman wants to be president then he cant be happy becuz of some curse you say God put on him? And I dont believe the black race is cursed. Why do you think God hates all blacks just cuz of what someone did thousands of years ago? How come God doesnt hate all whites for what they did to non-whites for centuries?
@rashadkijani, You mean to tell me, that the only way blacks can be happy, is to have the presidency? You mean, a black has to be president, to be happy? You mean prosperity and abundance are not enough? God did not put a curse on blacks; Noah did that. God does not hate, however there is the penalty for sin and the penalty must be paid. Whites gave non-whites education and salvation by the introduction of Jesus Christ into their pagan lifestyle.
@stephenwinkler Why do you believe God is making all blacks pay for something that happened ages ago? How come God doesnt make whites pay reparations or even serve time in prison for the system of racial bigotry they supported for almost 200yrs? If God has so much hate for the black race for something that Ham did that didnt even involve murder or really doing anything wrong but ignores all the crap white people have done then he really isnt a God of justice and fairness.
@rashadkijani God does not hate any race of people. God hates sin. White people introduced civilization to a people that lacked civilization. For example, the Gold Coast under the Danes, the Dutch, and the British were prosperous. When the British granted them independence, Ghana went through a period of poverty and anarchy. They could not govern themselves. White people introduced Jesus Christ to a people who hunted for heads and ate human flesh. There was no injustice; that is a myth.
@stephenwinkler What made whites civilized compared to the blacks they enslaved? And what do you mean they could not govern themselves? What were whites doing that makes you think they knew how to govern themselves?
@stephenwinkler "You mean to tell me, that the only way blacks can be happy, is to have the presidency? You mean, a black has to be president, to be happy?"
No. Every black does not want to be president. You said blacks have the right to pursuit happinees. Well what if a black wants to be the president? Its you who seems to think that all blacks want to do with their lives is music and boxing. Plenty of blacks dont want to be and arent musicians or boxers.
@stephenwinkler And how did you come to the conclusion that ham was black ? And if you believe in the bible why do you think blacks today are being punished for something that long ago anyways? I thought God didnt believe in holding grudges over children for the sins of their fathers?
@rashadkijani, In the Hebrew language, Ham is the word for black, just as in the Spanish language, the word for black is Negro. Noah, not God, has placed the curse on Canaan, the Son of Ham. If God did not believe in holding grudges over the children of their fathers, then death, disease, and old age would not exist. Adam challenged God by eating the apple in the garden; women suffer in childbirth, because Eve ate the apple first; the serpent must crawl on its belly; most hated of animals.
@stephenwinkler Well if it is noah's curse then it should not be considered a sin to have blackman in the white house. Sin is something against God not something against Noah.
@rashadkijani, Noah was God's prophet on earth at the time. In Romans, it says just as in one body there are many members, not all the members have the same function. The function of the black race is not to govern, but to serve. Service is honorable. It is an important function, that needs to be performed. There is no shame in this. I fully support Michael Jackson and Michael Vick, because the accusation against them was unfair. I love black people, but not in the White House.
@rashadkijani, The Prophet Jeremiah could not get used to the sins of Judah and predicted an invasion from the North, an enemy that would be extremely cruel and show no pity to their victims. I must warn our country, that America is doomed with Obama in the White House. The chastisement of America for this sin, is too bitter to comtemplate. I only wish for my own demise, before it arrives, because I do not want to be around, when it happens. Maybe, I will move to England or Europe.
@rashadkijani, The honor is the obedience to God. It was an honor to be priests, but only the Tribe of Levi was permitted to perform this function. For whites to serve blacks is an absolute contradiction of the Will of God. When the Will of God is contradicted, then our God becomes an angry God and he will smite our country. Please read the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah; maybe, you can be persuaded to help us turn our country around and appease our Creator for the election of Obama.
@stephenwinkler The racial bigotry stopped blacks from giong to work or not getting a job in the first place. The racial bigotry stopped blacks from voting and going to the church or just living their lives like any other human being. And blacks are apart of society so the racial bigotry did to shut down society?.You only show what point Im making when I ask you Why do you only call it disturbing the peace when you or some other white person's life is bothered?
@stephenwinkler You only show your own selfish point of view . Why do you criticize MLK and blacks for not supporting other people? That has always been the racism in this country.Why not criticize others for not supporting MLK and blacks? Why dont you criticize the police for not supporting MLK and the civil rights movement? The police back then had no problem supporting the racist white people who would put up "whites only" signs. So why couldnt the police support MLK?
@rashadkijani The police are sworn to uphold the laws of our land and MLK was in violation of the laws of our land. Now Lyndon Johnson made every possible effort to change the laws of our land and I do not see a national holiday for him. MLK stabbed LBJ in the back, when he can out against the war in Vietnam. Our brave soldiers were getting killed, because MLK gave encouragement to Hanoi and the peace movement. Many of our troops were black and they were getting killed in Vietnam.
@stephenwinkler The laws of the land were racist and injust. Are yousaying that MLK and the civil rights movement should have followed them any ways? Are you saying harriet tubman was wrong for breaking the law by helping setting slaves free? Are you saying the founding fathers were wrong for refusing to pay taxes? That was the law at the time if the king said pay taxes and you didnt you were breaking the law.
@rashadkijani The colonists did not break the law. However, I'm unable to prove this to you through a gmail conversation. Instead, may I refer you to "The Price of Union" by Herbert Agar? Agar shows some of the colonial arguments such as internal taxation versus external taxation and taxation for the purpose of the regulation of commerce versus taxation for the purpose of raising revenue. I hope you have some legal training, because it is difficult to understand.
@stephenwinkler "Who made blacks the master race or the chosen people? I thougth we were all equal."
How is it that you accusse blacks of claiming to be the master race when we are talking about a time when blacks were obviously being oppressed and were just fighting like any other group to get out of the oppression? It was whites who were claiming to be the master race not blacks. Do you think jews were claiming to be superior to hitler for not liking the fact hitler was killing them?
@stephenwinkler "Who made blacks the master race or the chosen people? I thougth we were all equal."
As for blacks being the chosen people part, that is the white supremacist fault. Lots of us blacks, in MLK's time asked themselves that everyday. Why were blacks the people that whites "chose" to lynch, enslave, tell they couldnt vote and injustly treat legally sanctioned for the first almost 200yrs of this country. Anytime whites wanted show hate and bigotry tthey "chose" blacks to target.
Hey, its Herbert Hoover. What a loser.
MassLiberal1 2 years ago
Martin Luther King's father was a Republican.
Ariamaluum 3 years ago
That's true Ariamaluum, although MLK Sr. switched to the Democrats in 1960 after the Kennedys helped get MLK Jr. out of jail in Georgia. MLK Sr. gave the invocation at the Democratic National Conventions of 1976 and 1980.
1prouddemocrat 2 years ago
@Ariamaluum That is true the operative word is "was" though. MLK Sr openly endorsed and campaigned for Jimmy Carter.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
The Military Industrial Complex sure is leading us around nowadays. Have you heard any mention of Civil rights at this Republican convention?
No. And Rudy's speech was an embarrassment. All insult, no enlightenment. They'll need hacked voting machines or a war with Iran to win. A tricky Dick job.
whizbang47 3 years ago
Your a leftist tool my friend. Rudy did exactly what he wanted to do and that was provide red meat. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Palin and Mccain took care of the other important issues.
thebig1 3 years ago
Hoover and eisenhower :D love um nixon is ... ehh... tysm for uploading this anything to do with Republican's past I SHALL LOVE i wish i hadn't already subscribed so i could subscribe now! :D
iPodGenious 3 years ago
It amazes me how long it takes for a party to elect it's leader in the USA(over a year with lots of rallies)...In my country Australia, we have a party room vote of sitting parliament party members and it's all over in the hour..much shorter and lots cheaper !!
fireplace911 3 years ago
It actually used to be much that way in the US. However, it was changed years ago to "Primaries" (the voters of each state cast a ballot for their favorite) because the general population was left out of the nominating process.
KKD1247 3 years ago
@fireplace911
I heard you don't even have nukes ...
Cakerolled 1 year ago
Boy, was he a lousy speaker then (Nixon I mean, not MLK). Fun seeing old Hoover. Ike reminds us he is given short shrift by historians, unfairly.
dyinglikeflies 3 years ago
@dyinglikeflies
Nixon's the One! Incidentally, MLK forgot to say what he was going to do for me, a German American. Nixon, on the other hand, addressed serious issues of national security for all Americans, not just for some of the Americans.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler MLK did fight for all americans but he wasnt running for president. So why would you criticize him like it was his job to appeal to everyone? And blacks were americans. So anyone that did not address civil rights did not address all americans interest.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani MLK did not fight for me. I criticize him for coming out to Los Angeles and calling our police chief and mayor racists. That is throwing petrol on the fire of the riots. How about giving Chief Parker and Mayor Yorty some moral support during this emergency crisis? Nixon also addressed civil rights. Why not give him a national holiday too. Why not give every ethnic group a hero and a national holiday. Who made blacks the master race or the chosen people? I thougth we were all equal.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler I dont know what iincident you are refering to but so what if he called some police chief and firemen racist? Why do you take it personal? Plenty of people called and still call the policeman bull connor racist. Do you get mad when someone calls him racist too? And addressing civil rights and fighting for civil rights is 2 different things. So yes he did address civil rights but what side did he take and what did he intend to do about it. ARe you saying a cop cant be racist?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani The incident is the Watts riots of 1965. MLK encouraged the criminals and arsonists on our streets, while Mayor Sam Yorty and Police Chief William Parker made every possible effort to restore law and order. I take it personal, because when I annoucned my support for Hillary Clinton and John McCain, people started calling me a racist and they have not stopped. It is none of my business if a cop is a racist, as long as the cop does his/her job in protecting me.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler And what does someone calling you racist today have to do with incidents 40yrs ago? What does your choice of political candidate today have to do with the events that took place during the 60's civil rights movement? And why do you call those blacks criminals? Do you also call some of the founding fathers and the people who supported them as criminals since some of them rioted also becuz of the oppression from the british?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani I"m not callling anybody a criminal, because I do not do name-calling. However, a person who breaks the law of our land is a criminal. Now, I may add, there is such a thing, as an unjust law. Every possible effort should be made to prove the law unjust and to repeal the unjust law. However, until that is done, the violator of the law is still a criminal. Now some laws may be in violation of our constitution and then if you violate those laws, well then it gets complicated.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler "The incident is the Watts riots of 1965. MLK encouraged the criminals and arsonists on our streets"
Those are your words. That sounds like you are calling them criminals to me. And arsonists too for that matter.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Are you saying MLK should have support the police when some of them were the ones turning fire hoses, beating , and turning dogs on him and other blacks simply becuz they were non-violently protesting the racial injustice in this country?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani If this was Europe, instead of America, those fire hoses would have been flame throwers. So stop complaining! Europe, unlike America, does not allow periods of anarchy and chaos, because it is a danger to public safety and my life is precious to me. I behave myself and I expect others to treat me with politeness and respect.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler What a morally bakrupt argument. You argument doesnt address the injustices of what went on in that time you simply tell the victim that they should be grateful becuz of what method their oppressor is using to oppress them with. That is like telling a woman she should be grateful to be raped in america becuz they rape women at knife point in america but in another country they rape women at gunpoint. You obviously sympathize with the oppressors.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Now you have done it. You have bought God into the argument. Exodus, Ch.21; Leviticus, Ch 25; Deuteronomy,Ch 15; Luke, Ch 12; Ephesians, Ch.6; 1stTimothy,Ch.6; Colossians Ch.3. Justify both slavery and segregation. Rev. Alexander Campbell, founder of the Disciples of Christ, also is in agreement for the justification of both slavery and segregation. If you disagree, then complain to the Most High God, not to me.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler How did I bring God into the argument? The only thing brought to this argument is your agreement with the same world view that white supremacist held when MLK was alive. Many white supremacist pastors preached that God wanted and condoned slavery and segregation in america when MLK was alive and of course even before the MLK era.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani You mentioned that my argument was morally bankrupt. That is how you bought God into the argument, because how do we know, what is morally right or wrong without God? How do I know that slavery and segregation are wrong? What is wrong? The Hindus say it is wrong for me to eat a hamburger. The Jews say it is wrong for me to drive my automobile on the Sabbath Day, which is from Friday evening until Saturday evening. I read my Bible and go to Church on Sunday. I hope you do too.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler "How about giving Chief Parker and Mayor Yorty some moral support during this emergency crisis?"
So what you were the one that suggested that MLK wasnt giving enough "moral" support to the local police. So its you who brought God into the subject.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani When I mentioned "moral support" I was using the phrase in a completely different context, than the struggle between good and evil. I was using "moral support" as a form of encouragement, nothing to do with the morality issue. Sorry, that you misunderstood me.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Well either way you obviously think MLK was wrong since you criticized hiim and the civil rights movement for breaking the laws of the land. And I dont think someone who breaks a injust law is criminal. I think the peron who continues to uphold a injust law is a criminal and most likely a morally bankrupt coward.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani I do think that MLK was wrong. I do not think of myself as a coward, just because I disagree with you. I went to seven states for Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Some people love segregation. For example, LAUSD is almost one hundred percent Hispanic. Why? Where are all the black and white children going to school? All the schools I work in is almost all-Spanish speaking. That is segregation. I guess the locals want it that way. What do you say?
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler That segregation is not backed by the government if people segregate themselves for what ever reason along racial lines that is one thing. But it is not backed by government law . You said you work there well if they exclude along racial lines. How are you working there?I dont see why you cant make a distinction between what went on yrs ago and what you call segregation today. And what was MLK wrong about? Why was it wrong for him to demand that non-whites be treated fairly?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani I was not talking about the teachers; I was talking about the student body. There is no legal exclusion; but, in fact, there are very few non-Spanish students. MLK was wrong to become part of the problem, instead of part of the solution during the Watts riots. In times of anarchy, you must suport authority. LBJ supported MLK on civil rights; MLK should have supported LBJ on the war; one hand will wash the other hand.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler People usually go to the school next to them so if the neighborhood is predominantly a certain skin color then usaully the students that go there are going to reflect that. There is no law other people of a different skin color cant move into that neighborhood and send their children to the local school. And how did MLK become part of the problem? And if you admit there is a problem to be apart of why arent you criticizing those who were the problem in the first place?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani MLK became part of the problem, because he encouraged the bad elements causing a disturbance of the peace. The people smashing windows and burning down the buildings were the problem in the first place. Coming from Germany, I would have solved the problem with flame throwers, because that is what they used in the old country. The bad elements seemed to like fire anyway, because they were burning our city down. Why not give them a dose of their own medicine?
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Well i think the white supremacist that believed in "whites only" signs killings blacks,and tellings black they couldnt vote were the bad elemnats. So when a police officer supported laws that those white supremacist believed in or made. It was the police officer that became part of the problem and encouraged disturbances in the community. And why do you say they burned your city down?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani From 1963 to 1969, I lived in Los Angeles and lived through the Watts riots. A police officer is sworn to uphold the law, not to make the law nor to interpret the law. A police officer would be negligent in his/her duties, if a particular law was not enforced. We pay our taxes for law enforcement. We also elect a legislative body to make the laws and elect judges to interpret those laws for us. That is our system of government.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Exactly what are you calling a "problem"? You do know that whites killed lynched and just did cruel stuff to non-whites legally sanctioned during that time dont you? Do you see that as a "problem"? Or are you saying you dont see any "problem" with whites doing that?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani Disturbance of the peace is a problem. Unable to go to the store, because the store is burned to the ground is a problem. Not being able to go outside, because there is a riot, is a problem. Regarding lynchings, there were isolated incidents and those incidents were handled by local law enforcement. Like Steve Douglas once said, "one damn fool doing violence to another damn fool." The lynch mob were fools, but so was the accused for the commission of the offense he was in jail for.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Black people couldnt go to church becuz whites would burn the churches down or even bomb the churches. You didnt think that was disturbing the peace? How come when whites bombed black churches killed black to scare them from voting, and did anything else cruel they wanted you dont call that disturbing the peace? How come disturbing the peace to you is only when some blacks burnt something down? I dont think blacks could disturb the peace cuz there was no peace to disturb.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani In May 1844, Nativist Americans burned down St. Augustine Catholic Church in Philadelphia. There were disturbances of peace between Native Americans and Irish Catholics that led to the Act of Consolidation of 1854. This was due to the incompetence of the County of Philadelphia in Northern Liberties, Southwark, Kensington, and Spring Garden. So, yes, we are all guilty of disturbing the peace. I completely agree with you on that one.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler How did that answer my question? I dont care if a police officer is sworn to uphold the law . What does that have to do with the injust law he might be upholding. If the officer is upholding tan injust law then the officer is injust. and those blacks were alive and were living thru the oppression whites were putting them under. So why do you think their acts were disturbing the peace but the racial bigotry they lived under wasnt disturbing the peace?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani The racial bigotry did not prevent me from the business of life. I cannot go to the bank, the post office, the store, to Church, to the library or anywhere through a war zone. The riots shut down society, until law and order were restored. It is not the function of law enforcement to interpret the law. They swear under oath, that they take their oath freeley, without any mental reservation. If they have any mental reservation, then we do not want them wearing a badge.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler The racial bigotry stopped blacks from giong to work or not getting a job in the first place. The racial bigotry stopped blacks from voting and going to the church or just living their lives like any other human being. And blacks are apart of society so the racial bigotry did to shut down society? You only show what point Im making when I ask you Why do you only call it disturbing the peace when you or some other white person's life is bothered?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani You know something, you watch some of these old black-and-white movies and everybody gets along fine. In the "Birth of the Blues," Anderson, a black man, is a servant to Crosby, and he is as happy as a fish in water. Same thing in the Shirley Temple movies. Blacks are happy as servants. We all get along, until MLK comes along and starts making trouble. Before MLK, everybody loved everybody and everybody was happy in the role, God assigned them in his creation.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler " Blacks are happy as servants."
Boy you really have some issues. Jim Crow laws didnt allow blacks to ever show how the majority of them feel. You continue to show you have the same mentality today that the white supreamcist did back when MLK was alive.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani In the Book of Genesis, Ham, the descendent of blacks, disrespected his father, Noah. Canaan, the Son of Ham, was cursed to slavery by his father, Noah. I cannot change the Word of God nor alter his Law. Blacks have a mission in life. For example, blacks invented blue music; blue music is the basis of all popular music. In sports too, they have made a valuable contribution. However, placing a black man into the White House is a sin against the Most High God.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler No the only sin is how you have such contempt for your fellow man. I dont understand how people think the way you do.SMH! White americans in general as a whole enslaved and slaughtered and comitted every injustice they could against non-whites legally sanctioned for lmost 200yrs yet you have the nerve to say that everyone was happy before MLK came along. Well I dont call that happpiness. I also dont call that God or justice.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani, I love my fellow man! White Americans built this country. You see anybody else's signature on the Declaration of Independence? You see anybody else signing the United States Constitution? The Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, and 1798 offered American citizenship to only "free white persons." I cannot rewrite United States history. Whites ran the show, until 2009.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler You have some very serious issues You do not like your fellow man you admit you dont even see blacks as people.God did not make blacks slaves to white people. That was a choice whites chose to do since they outnumbered blacks. Nor do I think you care about God either you just use the bible to support racial bigotry.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani, Blacks are people. If you think otherwise, then you totally misunderstood my position. God did not make blacks as slaves; I agree with you one million percent. Blacks sold other blacks into slavery. The original Muhammad Ali was governor of Egypt and he sold blacks into slavery. Ham sinned against Noah; Noah cursed Canaan into slavery. I love God and my fellow men, regardless of the skin color. However, I cannot change the Law of God nor take away the curse of Noah.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler What do you mean blacks sold themselves into slavery? Do see the blacks who did the selling as the same people as the blacks they sold? And do you see the whites who sold other whites as slaves in history as the same people too? And you said blacks were happy as servants . And have suggested that is the way God designed it so you are saying that God made blacks slaves to whites. You also called putting a black man in the white house a sin.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani , Allow me to say, that blacks have every right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Blacks have invented blue music, which is the foundation of popular music. Joe Louis was our longest reigning heavyweight champion and with the most title defenses. However, "the pursuit of happiness" does not include the presidency of the United States. The curse of Noah forbids this! Ham sinned and earned this curse, but it was not God's original intention.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler How can you say you believe that blacks should be able to pursuit happiness then say they shouldnt be able to be president? I f a blackman wants to be president then he cant be happy becuz of some curse you say God put on him? And I dont believe the black race is cursed. Why do you think God hates all blacks just cuz of what someone did thousands of years ago? How come God doesnt hate all whites for what they did to non-whites for centuries?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani, You mean to tell me, that the only way blacks can be happy, is to have the presidency? You mean, a black has to be president, to be happy? You mean prosperity and abundance are not enough? God did not put a curse on blacks; Noah did that. God does not hate, however there is the penalty for sin and the penalty must be paid. Whites gave non-whites education and salvation by the introduction of Jesus Christ into their pagan lifestyle.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Why do you believe God is making all blacks pay for something that happened ages ago? How come God doesnt make whites pay reparations or even serve time in prison for the system of racial bigotry they supported for almost 200yrs? If God has so much hate for the black race for something that Ham did that didnt even involve murder or really doing anything wrong but ignores all the crap white people have done then he really isnt a God of justice and fairness.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani God does not hate any race of people. God hates sin. White people introduced civilization to a people that lacked civilization. For example, the Gold Coast under the Danes, the Dutch, and the British were prosperous. When the British granted them independence, Ghana went through a period of poverty and anarchy. They could not govern themselves. White people introduced Jesus Christ to a people who hunted for heads and ate human flesh. There was no injustice; that is a myth.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler What made whites civilized compared to the blacks they enslaved? And what do you mean they could not govern themselves? What were whites doing that makes you think they knew how to govern themselves?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler "You mean to tell me, that the only way blacks can be happy, is to have the presidency? You mean, a black has to be president, to be happy?"
No. Every black does not want to be president. You said blacks have the right to pursuit happinees. Well what if a black wants to be the president? Its you who seems to think that all blacks want to do with their lives is music and boxing. Plenty of blacks dont want to be and arent musicians or boxers.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler And how did you come to the conclusion that ham was black ? And if you believe in the bible why do you think blacks today are being punished for something that long ago anyways? I thought God didnt believe in holding grudges over children for the sins of their fathers?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani, In the Hebrew language, Ham is the word for black, just as in the Spanish language, the word for black is Negro. Noah, not God, has placed the curse on Canaan, the Son of Ham. If God did not believe in holding grudges over the children of their fathers, then death, disease, and old age would not exist. Adam challenged God by eating the apple in the garden; women suffer in childbirth, because Eve ate the apple first; the serpent must crawl on its belly; most hated of animals.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Well if it is noah's curse then it should not be considered a sin to have blackman in the white house. Sin is something against God not something against Noah.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani, Noah was God's prophet on earth at the time. In Romans, it says just as in one body there are many members, not all the members have the same function. The function of the black race is not to govern, but to serve. Service is honorable. It is an important function, that needs to be performed. There is no shame in this. I fully support Michael Jackson and Michael Vick, because the accusation against them was unfair. I love black people, but not in the White House.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler Look! The black race is not serving the white man those days are over with get used to it.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani, The Prophet Jeremiah could not get used to the sins of Judah and predicted an invasion from the North, an enemy that would be extremely cruel and show no pity to their victims. I must warn our country, that America is doomed with Obama in the White House. The chastisement of America for this sin, is too bitter to comtemplate. I only wish for my own demise, before it arrives, because I do not want to be around, when it happens. Maybe, I will move to England or Europe.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler And if serving is such an honor then it shouldnt bother whites to have to do it some time themselves.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani, The honor is the obedience to God. It was an honor to be priests, but only the Tribe of Levi was permitted to perform this function. For whites to serve blacks is an absolute contradiction of the Will of God. When the Will of God is contradicted, then our God becomes an angry God and he will smite our country. Please read the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah; maybe, you can be persuaded to help us turn our country around and appease our Creator for the election of Obama.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
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@stephenwinkler The racial bigotry stopped blacks from giong to work or not getting a job in the first place. The racial bigotry stopped blacks from voting and going to the church or just living their lives like any other human being. And blacks are apart of society so the racial bigotry did to shut down society?.You only show what point Im making when I ask you Why do you only call it disturbing the peace when you or some other white person's life is bothered?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler You only show your own selfish point of view . Why do you criticize MLK and blacks for not supporting other people? That has always been the racism in this country.Why not criticize others for not supporting MLK and blacks? Why dont you criticize the police for not supporting MLK and the civil rights movement? The police back then had no problem supporting the racist white people who would put up "whites only" signs. So why couldnt the police support MLK?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani The police are sworn to uphold the laws of our land and MLK was in violation of the laws of our land. Now Lyndon Johnson made every possible effort to change the laws of our land and I do not see a national holiday for him. MLK stabbed LBJ in the back, when he can out against the war in Vietnam. Our brave soldiers were getting killed, because MLK gave encouragement to Hanoi and the peace movement. Many of our troops were black and they were getting killed in Vietnam.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler The laws of the land were racist and injust. Are yousaying that MLK and the civil rights movement should have followed them any ways? Are you saying harriet tubman was wrong for breaking the law by helping setting slaves free? Are you saying the founding fathers were wrong for refusing to pay taxes? That was the law at the time if the king said pay taxes and you didnt you were breaking the law.
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@rashadkijani The colonists did not break the law. However, I'm unable to prove this to you through a gmail conversation. Instead, may I refer you to "The Price of Union" by Herbert Agar? Agar shows some of the colonial arguments such as internal taxation versus external taxation and taxation for the purpose of the regulation of commerce versus taxation for the purpose of raising revenue. I hope you have some legal training, because it is difficult to understand.
stephenwinkler 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler "Who made blacks the master race or the chosen people? I thougth we were all equal."
How is it that you accusse blacks of claiming to be the master race when we are talking about a time when blacks were obviously being oppressed and were just fighting like any other group to get out of the oppression? It was whites who were claiming to be the master race not blacks. Do you think jews were claiming to be superior to hitler for not liking the fact hitler was killing them?
rashadkijani 1 year ago
@stephenwinkler "Who made blacks the master race or the chosen people? I thougth we were all equal."
As for blacks being the chosen people part, that is the white supremacist fault. Lots of us blacks, in MLK's time asked themselves that everyday. Why were blacks the people that whites "chose" to lynch, enslave, tell they couldnt vote and injustly treat legally sanctioned for the first almost 200yrs of this country. Anytime whites wanted show hate and bigotry tthey "chose" blacks to target.
rashadkijani 1 year ago