Saw- "Dr. Lawrence Gordon Theories Put To Rest"

[TheMoviegeek82]

it was hoffman who was draging eric

[JohnPrado100]

And John did give Gordon a prosthetic leg, and in return he (I assume) hepls Jihn with his work. At the end of SAW 7 he tells him that if anything were to happen to Jill, he would react immediately.

[scottieman2]

It's Hoffman. If you really look at it. If Amanda couldn't lift up someone, then how can she drag him?

[TheMoviegeek82]

@scottieman2 i agree its hoffman

[TheMoviegeek82]

@scottieman2 i agree its hoffman

[totterdell]

i am sorry too inform you that the person who put the key behind michael's eye IS in fact Dr. Lawrence Gordon. And this is proved at the end of Saw 3D

[TheTavares8]

I disagree with your theory man!!!! If you look at the two videos that you show of Hoffman and the person dragging eric mathews in the hallway. The cloaks are different. Plus Hoffman walks upright. The guy who was dragging eric mathews walks hunched over. Check out the scene when he closes the door on eric mathews and you'll see what I'm talking about. I really think the person dragging eric mathews is Tapp. The guy dragging him looks black. Watch it!

[rabidsquirrelfur]

haha too bad he did live we knew it all along

[CGWW]

Dr Gordon is alive and will kill everyone in saw 7 and will say

" Call me Saw "

or something cheesy like that.. why else would the series be called saw with nothing to do with saws?

[rebelwithacause666]

@CGWW ok just to clear that nothing to do with saws comment there are tones of saws in the saw movies

[VillainousVamp13]

@CGWW The movie was called SAW because the first movie they had to cut their foot off...with..a SAW, plus, the killers name is JigSAW

[itachisback]

oh and lance your missing one thing in the video of the guy at saw 2 in his vid "jigsaw" was limping giving more evidence he is alive

[itachisback]

@itachisback srry didnt watch end of vid pay no attenction to my comment

[HENDOHOGG]

how come in saw 2 it shows adams body lying on the floor. but in saw 3 it shows adams body in the bathtub and amanda kills him by sufocating him, how can adams body move from the bathtub to the floor.???????

[rdstormshadow]

Dr. Gordon has been cast in the next Saw Movie. He is Jigsaw.

[AATHFCMFFT123]

As for the limping, when you see jigsaw in his wheelchair in saw 2. he might be able to walk but when he asks for a glass of water his hands are shaking massively just from holding up a glass of water. so he would not have had the necessary steadiness needed to preform that kind of surgery.more so that Gordon's, plus its been about six months since the saw 1 and that is enough time for recovery and what not. Yes i do think that that is Hoffman dragging him because of no limp and rounder face.

[AATHFCMFFT123]

As for the limping, when you see jigsaw in his wheelchair in saw 2. he might be able to walk but when he asks for a glass of water his hands are shaking massively just from holding up a glass of water. so he would not have had the necessary steadiness needed to preform that kind of surgery.more so that Gordon's, plus its been about six months since the saw 1 and that is enough time for recovery and what not. Yes i do think that that is Hoffman dragging him because of no limp and rounder face.

[AATHFCMFFT123]

As for the limping, when you see jigsaw in his wheelchair in saw 2. he might be able to walk but when he asks for a glass of water his hands are shaking massively just from holding up a glass of water. so he would not have had the necessary steadiness needed to preform that kind of surgery.more so that Gordon's, plus its been about six months since the saw 1 and that is enough time for recovery and what not. Yes i do think that that is Hoffman dragging him because of no limp and rounder face.

[madnutcase84]

He is right, that couldn't have been Gordon because 2 times you that his leg is fine. Personally, I think it's Hoffman

[Exile101882]

Jigsaw would never do something like saw off a person's foot or anything else. He will make sure that you have done it (or lack of doing something) or someone else has (in some cases). He clearly lets us know he is not a killer or murderer and despises murderers and stands by giving chances.

[Falak19]

Dooooc is baccccck, 2010! ;)

[jbeazeer]

If Hoffman did the whole thing with Eric Matthews... why haven't they revealed it yet? Hoffman has been the main character in Saw V and VI, showing a lot of background with him and Jigsaw.... so why didn't they show him doing that? My answer to the question is that is obviously someone else.

[danman978]

the actor in the robe is most likely hoffman, BUT, storywise, it IS dr. gordon, they used hoffman most likly because Cary elwes couldnt be in the movie (he had other movies/television shows to do, and because of the 2005 legal dispute where Cary elwes sued Lionsgate for not giving him the full amount he was promised)

[vargasisking]

to disprove the"eye surgery" scene. it couldnt of been jigsaw because in saw 3 lynn is talking to him using medical terms and jigsaw cleary tells her he doesnt understand what shes saying. if reading books isnt going to make him comprehend on what a doctor is saying, i doubt it would teach him how to correctly perform eye surgery

[Exile101882]

@vargasisking I also don't think Jigsaw did the eye surgery, but for the record, Jigsaw was completely able to understannd what the doctor said. He told her basically he didn't appreciate the insensitive, medical terminolgy language (ie, "jargon") and wanted her to talk like he was a friend.

[shamim13333]

@Exile101882 Jigsaw could of done anything. Saw is just full of suprsies and mirrcles.

[Exile101882]

@shamim13333 Yeah but maiming another human being is out of his character. The first person to get something done to them would be Cecil, wouldn't you think?

[shamim13333]

@Exile101882 Sorry What do you mean by another human is out of his character ??

Ceil can't do shit, he died before Jigsaw became what he is

[Exile101882]

@shamim13333 I said maiming another human is out of his character- in reference to Dr. Gordon's foot- some1 said Jigsaw did it, when clearly we see in the movie Gordon sawed off his own foot. Jigsaw sometime requires ppl to inflict self-mutilation, but he never has done it himself, but I was saying if anybody WOULD have been mutilated or maimed by Jigsaw, it would have been Cecil.

[JackassTVD2Xtreme]

on saw 2 on the fly trap jigsaw says 'i have placed the key benhind your eye' so it must have been him

[puertoricandude1982]

Okay LanceWeller, this is just my opinion. I'll give you theory one because as I looked the face does look round like Hoffman, BUT I believe that Dr. Gordon is behind it. This is not the reason why but if you go to the official Saw website, Dr. Gordon is the only one who as an UNKNOWN to his name, but anyways one proof is that in Saw, when John was in the hospital bed there were plans of the game with Gordon and Adam on that table and there are more proofs, just running out of characters.

[Silvernstylin]

Okay everybody this is my opinion.

Gordon is alive. In saw 3 jigsaw says "Dr. Gordon is my patient and he was mine" and in saw 6 william has a bomb in his chest which only adoctor or someone with medical skill can do that. Not only place the bomb in his chest but be able to put it there without damaging anyother organs. And my last thing, in saw gordon tells adam i will come back with help. could it be that the help was amanda as a request from gordon to jigsaw to release adam.

[Bears913]

I would like to point out that Gordon is a doctor so he has acsees to a boot or a prostetic leg thats why he is abel to walk

[jhonfillip75]

im pointed with u but i follow thinking that Gordon is alive Because in SAW 1 tha bathroom has only one door the same that escape gordon and jigsaw, soo is imposible that Jigsaw doesnt find Gordon there, and in the same movie you saw that anyone of the jigsaws traps has any of a medical stuff later...in SAW II-VI you saw many of medical stuff, that only can get a docotor

Sorry for the Bad English

[mickaminusbitch]

also the compound fractures, breaks and dislocations mathews would have sustained o get his foot free of the shackle would have required more than "book knowledge" skill to avoid amputation. he had to have had professional help.

[mickaminusbitch]

prosthetic limb maybe? if gordon is the apprentice his master is an engineer. medical supplies and tools seem to be on tap for them also. i wouldnt rule gordon out.

[a7medi]

i agree with u,..i think the person who limps is jigsaw, not gordon, because REMEMBER IN SAW 1, WHEN DETECTIVE TAPP AND HIS FRIEND WENT INTO THE PLACE WHERE JIGSAW DO HIS OWN WORK AND PLANS, AND JIGSAW CUT DETECTIVE TAPP'S NECK AND RUN, THEN THE OTHER DETECTIVE FOLLOWED JIGSAW AND SHOT HIM ON HIS LEG, THEN JIGSAW FELL DOWN!!! so i think that's y the man who limps in the scene is jigsaw

[shamim13333]

You have good ponit there. Not only the gunshot, he kind of does limp anway from some scenes somewhere I noticed.

[Mebasa1]

thats a good information man thats true

[darkfirehbic]

My brother and I think your video was senseable and was not as stupid as all the others, it made sense. We liked how you didn't just throw things together you really put some thought into it not like every other moron.

You didn't just whip out your penis and put it on the table.

Good job.

[wolfwoodiscool]

Hoffman drags the body after the fight jigsaw said so in III when he was yelling at Amanda about how she flailed her test also you can tell by the nose and chin that it's Hoffman, just wondering anyone remembered/noticed that. also to go along with the doctor/jiggy/ Hoffman think its some one else new. if you all recall from number 1 when jiggy was giving the man with the 2 drills his test he almost killed Tapp hes agents killing and sing shot this man in the right foot which he lipping on in 2

[wesingforchange]

I think all of you are reading to much into this.. Its just a movie.

[LilDevilWitAHalo]

@wesingforchange haha i couldnt agree more

[blassonkem]

@wesingforchange It is not any ol movie, this is saw!

[nfdog]

good theory however i find it hard 2 believe that john would have the knowledge 2 do a procedure like that on michael's eye. In saw 3 we see him talking to lynn about medical stuff and he dosen't know what she's talking about. And lets not forget in saw 2 and 3 he's literally almost on his death bed, making surgery almost impossible.

[PIRATESOFTHEC3]

Eye surgery is rather simple, at least placing a key behind an eye. It's not rocket science. How would I know? I have a surgeon for a father. Not the best job right now, but still.

[corythepaperboy]

these are all quite convincing.

i dont believe that the person placing the key behind michael's eye is dr. gordon, i think it probably could just be jigsaw.

think about some of the other traps he set up - the Husband/Wife trap from SAW 4?

jigsaw would have needed a strong understanding of human anatomy to make that trap work.

i dunno, but i think having dr. gordon as a "surprise" villain is a good twist, despite how a lot of us would be betting on it now...

[0LfhP0]

0:33 U idiot thts HOFFMAN...In Saw IV they reveal he is Jigsaw.

[donsby]

hoffman isn't jigsaw .. how retarded

[0LfhP0]

Dah u idiot he is John died but not JIGSAW -_- He passed his legacy not his body

HOW RETARDED U DUMBASS.

[donsby]

he didn't pass his legacy cause hoffman was tested at the end of 6, there for trying to eliminate hoffman because hoffmans a murderer and john despises killers

btw cap lock is not cruise control for cool

so kindly stfu

[0LfhP0]

DAH Amanda was tested too and she continued the Jigsaw legacy WHY DO U THINK IN SAW VI SHE ASKED HOFFMAN: So when is ur test detective? Cause Amanda got already tested...its the same thing the only difference is tht they didnt say HOFFMAN WILL TAKE OVER THE LEGACY, they maybe didnt want to repeat tht sentence..i hope its clear to you since i understand u DONT GET THINGS VERY MUCH right? :)

[donsby]

you saying "maybe" means that its just your opinion you have no hard fact on that , so yeah shut the fuck up

[0LfhP0]

Predictable i knew u were gonna complain like a baby about the MAYBE, look u well know im right so u stfu cause ur opinnion its not important, what is important are the facts....do u want me to explain tht to u again? Cause u always need a 2nd time :)

[donsby]

DAHHH

[x13xteenagersx19]

1 if they can make a cast for mathues leg why couldent they make a prstec leg for gorden.

2 just because u read how to cut open an eye dosenet mean u know how to do it it takes years of experence to even touch a body

3gordon is the only one who can end these movies every one els is basicly dead

4 saw wants his legacy to go on for ever tht wont happen with his wife (finale wishes) or hoffmen whos blood thersty

5 you have no video evedence tht shows him practicing at all

[LanceWeller]

Well, everyone says all this, yet cares nothing about it. Gordon had to play a game. There's no way he would of had ties with jigsaw before because A, he wouldnt of cut off his foot, I mean, you may say "But Hoffman etc" but, but, Jill told hoffman he was basically a dead man "Game over...." so he knew he had to do something drastic, because he was a dead man, gordon just would've said "Adam, the man in the room is the jigsaw killer, his sedatives are still in effect

[JohnPrado100]

@LanceWeller Dr. Gordon was the 3rd Pig-Face, if you saw the end of Saw 7 (SAW; The Final Chapter) it shows a montage of Gordon helping John (Jiggsaw) Kramer put together all of the surgical tests. (The Vinous Fly Trap, the beginning trap in SAW 4) All of the surgical traps except Amanda's (the Angel Wings Trap, and the beginning trap in SAW 3) Also, all of these traps and events are in a big (keyword) Time Line. It all takes place in different times, some are at the same time.

[LanceWeller]

I have to save my wife and daughter, please help me, he wouldve known that was jigsaw, and would've been screaming and yelling at him, not at the camera.

[gowisok]

@LanceWeller then he wudnt have been tested if he knew it was jigsaw at that one moment and if u actualy watch the movie he talks about jigsaw and he already knows abunch about him

[LanceWeller]

watch Saw: Rebirth, where i believe John was shown reading abig, bulky, medical looking books, agreat number of very needed knowledge for taking on the jigsaw career, and, in the director's cut of Saw II, i'm not entirely sure, but, i can almost garuntee, john was reading a medical "The Human Anatomy" book, while eating some soup, before Matthews and the SWAT team busted in, then in III, in the sick room, John and Amanda had that huge medical medicine book(that jill more than likely provided).

[LanceWeller]

If gordon was in cahoots with jigsaw, why wouldnt he of gave john the needed brain operation, or help John try and receive that supposed cure for the cancer? No one knew it was Johnathan Kramer until the end of Saw II, which means gordon could've had time to help him, buuuuut, as you can see, john was still suffering.

[jbeazeer]

@LanceWeller It was supposed to be that way so Amanda could be tested in Saw III. If Gordon did the operation instead of Lynn, Amanda's test wouldn't have worked out the way it did.

[shamim13333]

@LanceWeller Your right. Up unit Saw 3, Jigsaw needed treatment from lynn to stay alive. If Gordon was working for him, why didn't jigsaw go to him get treatment why Dr Lynn. I mean the question is, weather or not he was working for jigsaw, WHERE HAS HE BEEN ?

[oddworlddude]

@LanceWeller

But where would John get all of that medical equipment from in Saw II and III? Also, in Saw VI, William Easton tells John that the treatment had been deemed ineffective, meaning the cure may have been a scam.

John even tells us that Dr Gordon was just in it for the money and had his hand on the doorknob half the time, which tells me that Gordon just rushed through each patient to get the cash since his hand was on the doorknob a lot.

[oddworlddude]

@LanceWeller

That coupled with the fact that Dr Gordon was so heartless as to tell John the exact date and time of his death, (John explains this to Eric in Saw II). Gordon obviously didn't care for the well-being of his patients.

And we know it wasn't John doing the surgery in the limping video of Saw II since at the end of the first SAW, his foot was fine and he had no reason to limp. You might bring up Sing shooting his foot at tke K2K building, but as he leaves Adam to rot, he doesn't limp.

[LawrenceOlaf]

@LanceWeller Because John (not Jonathon Kramer) had an INOPERABLE frontal lobe tumor

[VillainousVamp13]

@LanceWeller Because John has accepted that He's going to die, he came to terms with that long before even the first movie therefor he didnt have Gordon try to treat him, all he cared about was his message, his game

[Exile101882]

@x13xteenagersx19 in response to your number4, Jigsaw doesnt really intend on his work or legacy to go on forever, and if so, he already said Amanda was given this honor as she was the closest to his understanding and a connection. Plus, the writers/directors of Saw 3 said it was their intent on Jigsaw making a statement as to why he was crying right before he died, because he realized he too was about to die from his own game and that he committed to a life of murder and his teachings...

[Exile101882]

@x13xteenagersx19 ...were in fact wrong and immoral and now that he's going to die there's nothing for him to have done anything about it. So deep in his thoughts, he more than likely wanted his work to end here and of course, with the reamining two games we saw in 5 and 6. But then again, even what Im saying can be disspelled in SAW 7.

[bigphil399]

Interesting. A couple of holes though in the Saw movies point at him being alive. For starters even on the Saw website he is the only one "not confirmed" as to his whereabouts. Secondly something that is consistent throughout the Saw movies is that we always get our loose ends tied up for us. Det. Matthews was thought to be dead after Saw 2 and he is ALIVE in Saw 4. No one saw that coming. Rule of thumb, unless you physically see someone dead in Saw movies, consider them alive

[LanceWeller]

Well, the thing about it is, that's exactly a point i was getting at, matthews did blind side us, and that's it, we dont expect it, but if you ask any saw fan, what is the huge debate for Saw? It'd be Dr. Gordon, more believe he's alive than dead, sure, they want to give the fans what they want, but where's the twist in that revealation? there is none, even jill's revealation had some twist to it, gordon becoming the apprentice or still being alive would not suprise anyone in the least bit

[N1CKTH3GR34T]

he is also leaned over on his right foot so it can drag across te floor!! it is DR GORDON!

[N1CKTH3GR34T]

also at 1:54 to 1:56 he kind of drags his right foot!!

[N1CKTH3GR34T]

well if you pause at 1:50 it looks like he has no right foot and his legs look short because he has no right foot and he is bending his left leg and DR GORDON (SAWed) of his right foot so thats him and i wanna se you answer this one why do they call it SAW?? well this guy sawed his foot off so well call it saw just becasue of what he did there has to be a reason and the reason is HE IS JIGSAW!!!!!

[LanceWeller]

lol, why is it called Saw? i'll answer that, yes Gordon sawed off his foot with a saw, it WAS the climax in Saw. Then there's john kramer, or Jigsaw, he got his named from the police and the press because of the jigsaw pieces he carves from his victims, So the killer's nickname is Jigsaw, and one of the climaxes of the film dealt with a saw. It's nothing more, nothing less. You're saying that the saws in the pigvat was Gordon's idea Look people, lemme spin this for you, and spin it for you quick

[LanceWeller]

1.) Gordon didnt follow the rules, he didnt kill Adam. John stood up, and saw Adam, and shocked him, he knew Gordon didnt kill him. 2.) If I were to kidnap you, take your wife and daughter, whom you'd do anything for, threaten their lives to you, and give you a saw, and you saw your foot off? Then i come back to you and say "Look, i'm sorry for what I did, but we can make the world a better place, John tried that, in a similar fashion in Saw III and what happened to him? Dead.

[LanceWeller]

Sure you'll say "But amanda shot and wounded Lynn" ok, so? John promised jeff that Lynn would get to the hospital, and would be safe, Amanda, the one who hurt her, was dead, so what would Jeff have to lose? it's because when you're put through a situation where your family is at stake, you're not gonna smile, and forgive the man responsible for it, especially not with the personailty of the man in Saw 1, who's name was Dr. Lawrence Gordon...

[LanceWeller]

gordon, wouldnt have just given in, plus, Gordon would have to leave his wife and daughter behind, and that would contradict his whole cutting off his leg. Once you're in with John, it's too risky to just flaunt around everywhere, doing what you do, that's precisely the situation Hoffman's in, and by the looks of it, he wont make it to Saw VIII

[moshwithmax]

1) u dont explain y jigsaw is limping

2) just cuz u cut yer own foot off doesnt mean u cant perform surgery anymore

3) theory #1 was never a legit theory

there r far more theories that point to him being alive

[JimboSlice69]

at 0:30 pause it and look at the face. thats gordon. the same face structure as him. you can see him smirking a little.

[scottieman2]

The reason why Dr. Gordon hasn't really been in these movies is because he had a contract dispute, but still I wish they either have him back or at least say what happened to him.

[Andinator]

John Kramer limps in the first film anyway. Just after Detective Sing is killed with the shotguns, and a little limp again before shutting the door on Adam.

[scottieman2]

Yeah, he did limp a little, plus if you remember he got shot, too.

[Spudster671]

I beleive that it is jigsaw that puts the key behind micheal (or wat ever his name) eye. the limp is jigsaws. if u remeber in saw 1 where detective tap and the other guy are in the warehouse, the asian guy shoots jigsaw i beleive in the leg before being killed by the shot guns. That is wat possibly casued the limp on Jigsaw during the tape of the key behind the eye surgery

[MrEaton86]

Yes, that is true. Jigsaw was shot and he limped afterwards. The Dr. Gordon theories need to be forgotten. When I search Saw materials on here ALL I see is damn Dr. Gordon. In my opinion, Amanda was the most favorable character. Her and John had real stories- Things that happen to people in their lives...

[SacredMortal619]

gordon is alive n who ever doesnt think so is retarded. the fact that he doesnt have a cane means nothing. Im pritty sure he wouldnt be walking around on a nub, most people would get a fake leg to replace which would infact make him limp. there would be no reason for anyone else to

[importssuckazz]

wasent there a bunch a prosteic body parts in jigsaws wearhouse in saw 3 that he tested the traps on

[nomie2005]

Who else felt really bad for Eric?

I was so gutted when his head got squashed between those ice blocks.

[jeager1999]

I think the one who dragged Matthews into the Cell was Gordon. Didn't Hoffman have that WTF look when he saw Matthews?

[DJMcCartheo1824]

yeah but hoffman wore that jacket even before he teamed up with jigsaw

so really the jacket dosnt explain who it is, it is hoffman in my opinion because like DanzoXIO i edited it and it was the same characteristics as hoffman

HOFFMAN RULES, Hope he dosnt get killed off

[MrSky47]

i totally agree with this video, some people are just trying to make something out of nothing

[jeager1999]

You have to understand that there is a time factor. In the Saw Trilogy . We are looking at 2-3 years between saw 1-6. 3,4 and 5 pretty much happened in a week. I think I can saw without a doubt that Gordon was the one dragging eric. Because I think Hoffman would be too busy trying to build the traps for Saw 3, 4, 5 to babysit Matthews. Amanda was playing nurse for Jigsaw before Lynne in saw three.

[TVBlackandWhite]

but but but but but but mathews was part of the saw 4 trap so......... you contradicted yourself my friend lol

[BodaciousBarrelRacer]

You know just because people lose limbs doesn't mean that can't fully re-gain their balance especially if they had a PROSTETIC!

[RAWsoulja317]

the key limping scene was a joke by the saw producers. they thought they would make the guy limp and make everyone think it was gordon for shits and giggles

[TVBlackandWhite]

no thats not it. kramer got shot by sing. and hadnt recovered

[91rumble]

when tapp had his throat sliced in saw 1 it was sum1 with a hoody and jigsaw despises murderers so he woudln of done that ! and the one wearing the cloak is shot in the leg and you see he limp away ever thought that is the guy limping?

[nextgenvids]

yeah cause thats why he was in a well chair in 2

[TVBlackandWhite]

ha i love this arguement and here is why people say tapps throat got slit and jiggy wouldnt do that cause he hates murderers. well #1 if it was gordon than jigsaw woulda wanted him to die. #2 tapp didnt die so jig couldnt be labeled a murderer. also i really doubt that how skilled every apprentice is i really highly doubt they could impersonate jigs voice lol.

[DanzoXIO]

Hoffman dragged Eric - I once edited a screenshot and I could see Hoffman's face!

[BeyondDGrave]

As for the "Dr. Gordon cut his leg high above the shin,..." you also have to think about the creators of the Saw series... perhaps they did not plan on making so many movies,.. and since the original film could not be modified after all this time, perhaps they let that small technicality go, and that really is Dr. Gordon..

I hope Jigsaw is Dr. Gordon now.. it would put my mind to ease...

[SAWFANATIC9]

nice man i a fan and i never relized ur speculation on hoffman very good man saw vi only one week away

[zZLightPaladinZz]

mabye hes a pirate with a peg leg lol

[CabinJam]

I think it was Rigg who said "Get up" in SAW 2, when they entered John's Factory. Jigsaw answered something like "I believe I can't do that" And this happened only a few days after the death of Michael. John can't get up, he sat in a wheelchair, because he was sick, so he is too weak to put a key into a eye.

[LastSunrise1981]

I didn't think about that either. But you're right. If that's the case then Jigsaw wouldn't be capable of putting a key into an eye.

So either it was Gordon or another apprentice who limps/drags his foot.

[chuckworld50]

its a movie. everything isnt gonna be perfect.... u thinkin way too much of the little things

[deezo60]

Dude im so confused i need to watch all 5 again

[SkitzoInsanity]

I already knew it was Hoffman when I watched Saw 4.I saw it in theaters and watched it numerous times after but I just recently got it on DVD.

[datbigbadpoloman]

no gordon does live but he wont be in saw 6 konami said gordon will appear in saw the video game

[MrMusicM67]

but where was he in the game... you dopnt rlly find out anythign in the game

[datbigbadpoloman]

idk i thought it was going to explain his whereabouts of gordon the most we have is a guy taking out tapps bullet and replacing it with a key i guess that could be gordon and the guy placing a key in the dead person also i guess the note you find saying that dective tapp will be here soon and to put the key in the body is meant for gordon

[dhru97]

did da thought occur dat maybe gordon waz werin a cast like eric in saw 4 wen he waz puttin da key in dat poor guy in saw 2

[williambrown007]

Looks a bit like Hoffman's face at 0:33 but not really sure. Could of been Art.

[khanhi]

One little thing every Gordonite forgets.

HE LOST HIS GAME.

He did NOT get out in the amount of time given, therefore, I don't see it plausible for Jigsaw to take in a failed subject.

Holy frickin' shit. -.-;

[salshasam]

I never thought about that

[khanhi]

No one does. I don't know why everyone overlooks that he failed his game. But he did, and it's very unrealistic that Jigsaw would make a failed test subject his apprentice.

[pocketkings2580]

Have u ever thought that gordon wasnt playing a game.... Jigsaw doesnt like or believe in murder.... but he told dr. gordon to kill adam...

[CabinJam]

But Jigsaw said at Gordon's tape "follow YOUR heart", he was talking about Gordon's heart, but it was also a tip to find the saw. This saw was a tool to win his game, to follow his heart. And maybe Jigsaw doesn't want Lawrence to kill Adam with the gun until 6, Gordon just should left him in the room to rot, and after 2 weeks or something else Adam propably died, but we all know his death. So Dr. Lawrence Gordon won his game, because he left Adam in the room.

[bgrotha666]

Sorry but whether Gordon is alive or dead, all of the evidence saying he could be alive blows your ideas out of the water. They aren't solid enough, they're mostly your opinion.

[magpie2541]

look theroy one most probally is right but i still say reading some books and carry out a medical procederes

[nachopie7]

i am a gordonnite but ill admit.

jigsaw got shot in the right foot in saw 1 so that could be him limping in the video in saw 2. but he didnt limp in saw 1 after he got up and left adam in the room so...

who knows haha

[che1ast]

how could he be the one limping in saw 2 since he couldn't even get of his bed

[nachopie7]

mabe the begining of saw 2 is out of time with the rest of the movie like how saw 3 is?

but i think its gordon and not jigsaw anyways.

[vaccarovj]

How do you know John Kramer was reading medical books?

Besides, it's not that simple to just read a few books and presto you're a surgeon. It takes years of college and medical school. John Kramer was an Engineer not a surgeon.

lol, I can imagine "Surgery: The Easy Way" or "Surgery Demystified" on John's bookshelf.

[RAWsoulja317]

oi dude dont take any shit from these gordonettes or whatever they are. they cant handle the fact that it is obvious he wont be in saw 6(alive or accomplace that is)

he cut off his foot with a rusty saw with one x knot around it. the odds are he is dead. amanda surviving getting shot in the kneck is more probable.

plus putting on a leg brace dosent take medical knowledge, i had to wear one for 6 months with a snapped heel.

so i have one thing to say to gordon

R.I.P

[InstrumentalVersion]

if u pause it at 0:33 then u can just make out the face

[xXIronbitXx]

In saw one when adam breaks the two-way mirror and keeps throwing gordon says to adam "That's not going to do anything,You won't stop,that's why we can't cut through are chains,that's why you won't break through that glass,Every possible angle has been pre-Thought out" Adam response "sounds like you admiring this person" Gordon replies "To overcome somthing you have to understand what a perfect engine it is" Im sure Jigsaw took that into consideration.

[LanceWeller]

that's a good point, but i look at it aswell, if john was able to have three apprentices, i think it would be hard to trust them, one being a cop, hoffman, the other, having to cut his foot off, and was made to think his family was dead, as for amanda, she was in love with him, so that was alright, let alone, they all are able to work with each other. Amanda seemed somewhat like a loose-cannon and was anti-social, it seemed

[xXIronbitXx]

GORDONITES UNITE! Im not denying the fact that hoffman was taking care of matthews.I did not see him die there for i do not beleive he died.There have been several hints pointing to Dr.gordon being alive.

[666Porphyria666]

The dragging we see, in reality, could very well be the result of the wound not fully healed, thus causing the man pain and effect efficient mobility.

But we know that this scene was film with neither Tobin Bell or Cary Elwes. It was one of the crew.

These are not theories that true Gordonites base their beliefs on. I apologise for the rant but you did say in the bit at the end that you would like to hear from us. lol.

[LanceWeller]

no no, it's fine, i'm glad I'm talking with real Gordonites, and not all this youtube shit i've been seeing/hearing the past few years, if you could, explain to me the theories that you all have concluded, i wouldl iek to hear them, because, even though i dont like the gordon idea, i'm not denying the fact it could be him, just trying to take away the weak theories people are saying, that you can tell arent true

[vaccarovj]

I like that, have an open mind about it. I consider myself to be a gordonite, and as such I hate weak theories as well.

One of the reasons I think Gordon is alive is that so many saw fans would like for him to be alive. I highly doubt they'll say he's dead after all this time, it would be a slap in the face to the fans. Also, he's really the only main character left who fans really care about. I mean, it's bad enough that Adam died.

[666Porphyria666]

The limping guy in Michael's video? We are uncertain as to who this was meant to be. You seem to think that the removal of a foot deems to completely useless. John was sick, and may not have done it i'll give you that. But Dr Gordon's surgical skills would not be hindered by his self-amputation. I don't see your logic with this cane business. With amputation, the bone is usually cut back a bit more so that the skin can be folded over the wound to form a stump.

[LanceWeller]

Well, watch the video, it's more than 'just' his foot, he cuts off a bit of his leg too, and as you said, they cut the bone to a certain point, in the process to help it heal

unless, he had a thing like Matthews, maybe, idk, i still think it'd be more difficult, but if there's nothing for support

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_____| (if those are his legs, how can you walk on 1 leg, unless you hop? another way, bending down to where the nub's touching the ground, which makes no sense, or, could have a cane to use.

[666Porphyria666]

I am a Gordonite. I don't know where you stand on the Dr Gordon front, but these two theories do not represent why we believe Dr Gordon is alive.

Of course it was Hoffman looking after Matthews. I've never even heard anyone say they thought it was Dr Gordon.

[LanceWeller]

I assure you, there was, by some guy on youtube, i'll look to find him, but he had seven(about) gordon theories, and I just felt he was saying things without thinking or paying attention to them, the old, Bush/Katrina gag "The levee broke, because Bush made it break" no, i hate when people say it's this guy or that, just to say it, prove your point, and I felt I did fine with it.

[LastSunrise1981]

Aniland? I can assure you he didn't say Gordon was taking care of Matthews. Aniland posted very intelligent and insightful theories that indicate Gordon is alive or is an accomplice.

I definitely recommend you watch all of his videos.