I think there is a problem with your infeed table measurings, you can't make a plane with 16,12 at the front edges and 25 in both back edges, that's only possible when there is a twist in the middle, i'm missing something?
Thank you very much for this video! I have a Craftsman Professional 6" Jointer and was getting horrible results ever since I bought it (used). You were right, I really was starting to think that I was doing something wrong.
Didn't have a "one way" gauge but a $12 dial indicator from Harbor Freight, a Combination square and a c-clamp worked fairly well. The only problem was having to hold the square down to the table since the weight of the c-clamp would topple it. Jointer works great now!
hm. i am in the middle of rebuilding/ restoring a ndecent Jet 8" jointer. I dont have the cams for the bed adjustment as the powermatic does and man, thats a nice feature. another nice feature i dont have its the backing screws behind the cutterhead knives. it would be VERY nice to have those. I love the dial indicator method for leveling the knives. what would be the best way to prefect the dial indicator without the help of the cutterhead screws? thanks!
@avman2cl Excellent question! I suppose if it were me, I would use the magnetic jig as well here. That will help you get the knives set pretty close to where you need them. Then I would selectively loosen the screws holding the knives in place to try to nudge the knives up and down as needed. Depending on the setup you can loosen all but one and the knife should pivot to some extent. Still not an easy task, but should be doable.
Love your videos. Clear, concise and detailed. I post videos of renovations on old fibreglass trailers. What is the trick to posting a video longer than 10 minutes on Youtube?
@kevinhenry61 Hey Kevin. Thanks man. The trick is having a director's account. But I am not sure what the current status is since YouTube has changed the rules a few times. I just know I was grandfathered in.
Great video. One thing puzzles me. If the two front corners of the infeed table are parallel with the outfeed and the back corners are different, that tells me the infeed table is twisted. What am I missing?
@pondosonatra Nothing. You are right, there would definitely be a slight twist. But the key is to measure at multiple points along the straight edge so that you get the best approximation possible.
Great video Mark, but there has to be an easier way. Not that I want to spend more money, but I would love to be able to rent a laser leveler, preferably automatic, which can be used to adjust multiple tools. Another idea comes from sharpshooting - why not have click adjustment knobs.
why not use 2 straight edges and clamp them in parrallel so all 4 cams can be adjusted without reclamping. and dicking arround with guessing if the "other side" has shifted and kinda winging it. Sure may be expensive but alot of hardware stores sell aluminium L shaped strips usualy used for windows and other aluminium work.which are as flat as any straigedge proper sold for such purpose and probably at 10th of the cost. If you are still unsure use your straightedge and compare
@fonitrus Cost is definitely reason not to use two real straight edges. And if you can find hardware store aluminum that is as flat as a milled straight edge, then you are right, there is no reason not buy the stuff. I honestly can't say I have check it before. I just assumed it was unlikely that any of the L-brackets would actually but in the range of +/- -003. Again, never tried it so I don't know. But an interesting option.
@naliuj Sure is. I love my Clear Vue. But it was just brought to my attention recently that they are closing their doors. So, unless you already have one on order, they won't be available anymore.
I love the way you are explaining complicated things.. sometimes it makes things look easier as they are :)
Just one additional comment on the helical head.. i have it on my hand planer (HL850E) and i love it.. great cutting, perfect surfaces, even on sensitive surfaces, long lasting sharpness.
@Musicmansterling17 I have a helical head on my planer and it absolutely rocks. Its more expensive, but well worth the investment in my opinion. It will be a very long time before I need to resharpen. I only have to turn each insert 90 degrees to expose a fresh brand new edge. And if they get nicked and all sides are dull, its easy enough to pop a new one in.
at 3:13 , the only explaination i can give, being a european viewer ( ireland ) ,
is that the main reason why its called a planer / surface planer , is because its doing just that . its planing down wood to achieve a flat level " surface " , hence "surface planer". why its called a jointer in the u.s i'll never know. as a joint is a meeting of 2 woods , example : butt , dovetail etc . this machine does not join anything, so it shouldnt be called a jointer.
nice video. I've been nervous about doing this to my jointer but your video has made it much easier to wrap my head around. It doesn't seem as daunting as it before I watched this. Thanks for the knowledge.
@jawadsaadi I don't have a picture to show you, although my Powermatic manual does have a few images. You can download a pdf manual from their website if you want. Generally, you will wind up with a concave or convex board. Try as hard as you want, but you'll never get the board to be flat.... Very annoying.
I'd make a comment about how the commonwealth term "planer" is better, but then I found out that what you Americans call a planer is revered to by the Brits as a .. hold it. Thicknesser !!. HOW CAN THAT BE A WORD!!.
Nice video :) Im from the UK. Planer = mechanical hand plane (sort of). Makes sense to me. Jointer in English made me think of what i know is as a spindle moulder (Shaper). Anyways nice video, really informative. Made my dad laugh who's been in the furniture industry for 50 years :D bless
Sorry for me a pain but life is never that simple, is it?. :P
I think there is a problem with your infeed table measurings, you can't make a plane with 16,12 at the front edges and 25 in both back edges, that's only possible when there is a twist in the middle, i'm missing something?
pepegirolas 8 months ago
@pepegirolas most likely a bit of a twist.
TheWoodWhisperer 8 months ago
Marc,
Thank you very much for this video! I have a Craftsman Professional 6" Jointer and was getting horrible results ever since I bought it (used). You were right, I really was starting to think that I was doing something wrong.
Didn't have a "one way" gauge but a $12 dial indicator from Harbor Freight, a Combination square and a c-clamp worked fairly well. The only problem was having to hold the square down to the table since the weight of the c-clamp would topple it. Jointer works great now!
MrBorisKGB 1 year ago
@MrBorisKGB That's the kind of success stories I like to hear!! Thanks for the feedback and glad to hear you are enjoying your new old jointer. :)
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
hm. i am in the middle of rebuilding/ restoring a ndecent Jet 8" jointer. I dont have the cams for the bed adjustment as the powermatic does and man, thats a nice feature. another nice feature i dont have its the backing screws behind the cutterhead knives. it would be VERY nice to have those. I love the dial indicator method for leveling the knives. what would be the best way to prefect the dial indicator without the help of the cutterhead screws? thanks!
avman2cl 1 year ago
@avman2cl Excellent question! I suppose if it were me, I would use the magnetic jig as well here. That will help you get the knives set pretty close to where you need them. Then I would selectively loosen the screws holding the knives in place to try to nudge the knives up and down as needed. Depending on the setup you can loosen all but one and the knife should pivot to some extent. Still not an easy task, but should be doable.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
all the tools and machines in your shop are the same exact ones in my woods class
IVIoNsTa360gaming 1 year ago
hey what is the brand of straight edge your using? im on lee valley but i cant find it.
ironlionkalo 1 year ago
@ironlionkalo just search for "straight edge" on their site and you'll find it.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
@TheWoodWhisperer thanks for you help i just found it!
ironlionkalo 1 year ago
Marc,
Love your videos. Clear, concise and detailed. I post videos of renovations on old fibreglass trailers. What is the trick to posting a video longer than 10 minutes on Youtube?
Kevin
kevinhenry61 1 year ago
@kevinhenry61 Hey Kevin. Thanks man. The trick is having a director's account. But I am not sure what the current status is since YouTube has changed the rules a few times. I just know I was grandfathered in.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
Great video. One thing puzzles me. If the two front corners of the infeed table are parallel with the outfeed and the back corners are different, that tells me the infeed table is twisted. What am I missing?
pondosonatra 1 year ago
@pondosonatra Nothing. You are right, there would definitely be a slight twist. But the key is to measure at multiple points along the straight edge so that you get the best approximation possible.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
Great video Mark, but there has to be an easier way. Not that I want to spend more money, but I would love to be able to rent a laser leveler, preferably automatic, which can be used to adjust multiple tools. Another idea comes from sharpshooting - why not have click adjustment knobs.
emtpilot 1 year ago
@emtpilot I wish there was an easier way. Let me know if you figure one out. :)
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
@TheWoodWhisperer
why not use 2 straight edges and clamp them in parrallel so all 4 cams can be adjusted without reclamping. and dicking arround with guessing if the "other side" has shifted and kinda winging it. Sure may be expensive but alot of hardware stores sell aluminium L shaped strips usualy used for windows and other aluminium work.which are as flat as any straigedge proper sold for such purpose and probably at 10th of the cost. If you are still unsure use your straightedge and compare
fonitrus 1 year ago
@fonitrus Cost is definitely reason not to use two real straight edges. And if you can find hardware store aluminum that is as flat as a milled straight edge, then you are right, there is no reason not buy the stuff. I honestly can't say I have check it before. I just assumed it was unlikely that any of the L-brackets would actually but in the range of +/- -003. Again, never tried it so I don't know. But an interesting option.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
hey is that a clear vue cyclone in the corner of your shop? if so how is that working out for you?
naliuj 1 year ago
@naliuj Sure is. I love my Clear Vue. But it was just brought to my attention recently that they are closing their doors. So, unless you already have one on order, they won't be available anymore.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
Perfect presentation as always.
I love the way you are explaining complicated things.. sometimes it makes things look easier as they are :)
Just one additional comment on the helical head.. i have it on my hand planer (HL850E) and i love it.. great cutting, perfect surfaces, even on sensitive surfaces, long lasting sharpness.
btw.. Nicole was great on the outtakes.
kind regards, Mike
emgab 1 year ago
does anybody use a spiral cutter head? I've heard mixed reviews about them. just wanted to know what you guys think
Musicmansterling17 1 year ago
@Musicmansterling17 I have a helical head on my planer and it absolutely rocks. Its more expensive, but well worth the investment in my opinion. It will be a very long time before I need to resharpen. I only have to turn each insert 90 degrees to expose a fresh brand new edge. And if they get nicked and all sides are dull, its easy enough to pop a new one in.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
at 3:13 , the only explaination i can give, being a european viewer ( ireland ) ,
is that the main reason why its called a planer / surface planer , is because its doing just that . its planing down wood to achieve a flat level " surface " , hence "surface planer". why its called a jointer in the u.s i'll never know. as a joint is a meeting of 2 woods , example : butt , dovetail etc . this machine does not join anything, so it shouldnt be called a jointer.
confusion solved :)
TheLumberjackass 1 year ago
nice video. I've been nervous about doing this to my jointer but your video has made it much easier to wrap my head around. It doesn't seem as daunting as it before I watched this. Thanks for the knowledge.
mangledmerch 1 year ago
I am new to wood working, but can anyone explain what kind of problems can be seen on the wood joints if it is not 100% "co-planned" .
I am just trying to get more appreciation of this long process
jawadsaadi 1 year ago
@jawadsaadi I don't have a picture to show you, although my Powermatic manual does have a few images. You can download a pdf manual from their website if you want. Generally, you will wind up with a concave or convex board. Try as hard as you want, but you'll never get the board to be flat.... Very annoying.
TheWoodWhisperer 1 year ago
Superb as always. Thank you Marc.
nejcmeister 1 year ago
I'd make a comment about how the commonwealth term "planer" is better, but then I found out that what you Americans call a planer is revered to by the Brits as a .. hold it. Thicknesser !!. HOW CAN THAT BE A WORD!!.
I'll accept jointer now !
retepvosnul 1 year ago
Thanks Mark, but now I have to go out and buy a jointer! Nicole is hilarious in the outakes. :)
BJEAKE 1 year ago
Nice video :) Im from the UK. Planer = mechanical hand plane (sort of). Makes sense to me. Jointer in English made me think of what i know is as a spindle moulder (Shaper). Anyways nice video, really informative. Made my dad laugh who's been in the furniture industry for 50 years :D bless
Sorry for me a pain but life is never that simple, is it?. :P
Skandoro 1 year ago