i dont understand why terran players do use sensor towers against protoss. Intel is so overpowered knowning what your enemy has and when they are moving out is very important and the reason i think the toss guy won. Terran in the dark toss knew everything.
I have slow internet and so I usually wait to start my Husky videos so they're buffered. When I finally click "play" and Husky says "today I have another tank stacking video" I was PISSED for about 2 seconds
@Iverath the theory behind cloak technology is they are able to manipulate the light around them to appear invisible but the object that is cloaked is still in fact there and would cast a shadow provided a light source imagine light from the sun like water hitting an object that is invisible
I haven't watched a video with Husky commentating in quite a while. He at least used to be entertaining to listen to, now he is boring and still sucks at analysis.
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@tsaiger did you really just say cut husky some slack, he sucks? i dont think thats a reason to go easy on someone. i think it works the other way actualy....
@princeofiron is that an excuse? how many games has he casted? he casts/commentates games for money and as a profession, and he missed the biggest turning point of this game. the DT drop made Thorzain go back to his base, allowing INcontrol to FF his ramp and attack his expo, killing a bunch of workers and stopping mining for a long time. Husky panned over the DT shrine several times and didn't make a single comment about it. he didn't even know there were DTs in the game.
@princeofiron on top of that, INcontrol had his warp prism flying around to warp behind Thorzain's base... which should have given him plenty of time catch that drop. Husky didn't even know there was a warp prism. and if not that, he should've seen 3 DTs being in the production tab. I'm guessing you're plat or below?
@DeviousWizard force fields require a lot of micro most players dont have. In the hands of an experienced player with a lot of sentries they can be devastating
Protip: Make sentries, win by default. Force Field needs to be removed in HotS and Blizzard needs to figure out a way of making Gateway units useful without them.
@P1zzaSH4RK Make barracks / factory / starport win by default, unless you get outplayed. All your tech comes from simply tech labs while other races need to actually choose a tech path. Learn2play.
@hoshinocrimsonwings I play Random, dude. Force Field is brokenly overpowered. Stimpack is brokenly overpowered. Fungal Growth is brokenly overpowered. Blizzard is designing races with deliberately overpowered mechanics in mind, which is fucking retarded. You HAVE to have these mechanics to win but I frankly think they greatly diminish the level of skill involved when they're present... because they're OP as shit.
@P1zzaSH4RK Appreciate your mature and calm response, but when complaining about protoss, terran and zerg players love to leave out how lackluster gateway units are, untill Gasp, they're fully upgraded. Which by then, if the game hasn't ended yet, you were most likely out played by someone using units inferior to yours.
@hoshinocrimsonwings I play Random and favor Protoss. I am aware of how goddamn terrible gateway units are compared to terran and zerg t1.5 until Charge/Blink. The point is that Force Field is purposefully designed as a crutch for underpowered units, which is fucking retarded. Sentries themselves, and Guardian Shield, are great and perfectly fine, but Force Field is overpowered as hell... and was designed that way.
yea baby! incontrol with the win! thorzain is great and all but i think his timings can sometimes be off. not to say everyones cant just him especially i find. great game. thanks husky brother
Come on Husky this wasn't because of knock on the front door, the DT's were wrecking the mineral line and he pulled all the forces to deal with it and he lock thorZAIN outta his natural.
I have a question. Are Korean sc players pretty much considered the best across the board or are there some players from other regions who can compete at their level?
Eh, Destiny and Kiwikaki do not belong anywhere near your list. I get that the two of them are entertaining players, but dont let that bias you when you're determining how good they are.
@Eljyaz Kiwikaki can do good and beat lotsa Koreans but on a regular basis I guess not, just was making a list of the top of my head. And yeah, I agree about Destiny
@TheScylent Destiny is pretty bad though and i don't think Kiwikaki is code S material either. The best foreigner is probably Stephano. He might even be the only one who can compete in the GSL code S.
lol Husky, Thorzain wasnt really on lower tech, marines are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd tier tech for Terran. (im terran btw so dont think im qqing, its just a fact :D)
I wish they would add some more gsl maps to ladder, or maybe even a seperate que where we can play maps like this or terminus. At least tal darim alter is in ladder though
@cenafrk, lol, if protoss gets colos, terran needs vikings. its as easy as that. he had a macro disadvantage, but it wouldve still been doable, if he didnt lose the factory and if he had made vikings in time. dropping a scan once in a while to find out the enemies main tech isnt so bad if you cant get any drops in
@Ghruul, still, if you can snipe the colos, in a best case scenario (which is also not that unlikely) before the fight, protoss is fucked. protoss cant deal with a sizeable mm(m) army that has stim and better ups without aoe damage units. in mid-late game protoss cant survive vs terran without colos/hts and terran is all about nullifying these 2 units.
@MysteryAC, lol. you know, using hts and colos is done by actually not a moving. and just fyi, mmm surpasses zealot/stalker/sentry in strength. if you ever played or saw a tvp/pvt, this should be clear to you. and protoss units take the most skill to micro out of all races.
Oh wait, you were serious, that's EVEN MORE hilarious!
Collossus and HT do NOT require micro. You throw them at the army, psi storm, and boom. You're done. The attacks all stack and murder the opposing army with no effort.
MMM surpasses zealot/stalker/sentry? You know why? BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE.
Go on, fight a protoss with nothing but tanks, thors, and hellions. It can't be done.
Terran units require more micro than Attack+movetoss will ever need.
@MysteryAC, colos and hts may not require micro if you play vs players up to platinum level. from there on out you have to be careful with positioning your hts, sniping ghosts with feed back, not getting colos out of position, form arcs if you expect attacks, keep your chargelots back if enemy is kiting, blinking your stalkers and sniping vikings and move colos according to the positioning of vikings. thats whats required from diamond level onwards (at least in europe)
@MysteryAC, on the other hand, all terran has to do is kiting (which does take a lot of effort concerning multitasking, but pretty much no skill), form arcs with mms, snipe colos, feedback/snipe hts and then stim and a move. the micro might be more intense but takes a lot less skill and time to master. and terran has the advantage, that they can produce units while concentrating on battle. protoss and zerg need to go back to hatches/pylons (which does of course offer other advantages)
You keep using marines and marauders in your argument, which I find funny.
Did you ever consider WHY MMM is so strong against protoss? Because NOTHING else can fight a protoss army.
An entire tank line can be made useless by 5 zealots drawing all the fire while blink stalkers close the gap, and collossus and immortals can just bumrush them without fail. Hellions require ALOT of micro, and they only counter zealots. Thors get slapped hard by HTs, immortals and stalks.
@MysteryAC, in rts games you always have unit compositions which fare well against other u.c. . in tvp, mmm is most common for terrans and protoss has to adapt to that. and you should realize that theres a counter to every unit and the unit mixture is what makes it strong and therefore terran does have some options; ive for example already seen and lost to mass marines with banshees, which is really strong in midgame.
@MysteryAC There is one question i want to ask a terran since quite a while: Why no bf hellions against this mass charge zealot style? I mean, they are cheap and pretty cost-effective.
On paper BF hellions would be good against chargelots, but it doesn't work in execution.
Chargelots will always get to do damage thanks to the most recent patches, and hellions need them to be in a group, in a narrow corridor for them to do max damage. Zealots just need to get in your face to do the damage.
Plus, psi storm and sentries are a death dealer to the hellion, which can't take splash damage and needs to be mobile to be effective.
@MysteryAC Yeah, i think the nerv of the BF should be removed and Ghosts should make more dos. Or Tanks/Banshees/Thors/BC's should be made more useful, I don't know.
EXACTLY. If we had a decent tier 2 and 3, I'd gladly take a nerf to tier 1, but most of our mech can be slapped silly, and thats counting the stuff that ISN'T considered a hard counter (AKA immortals)
Meanwhile, with a protoss army, ANY unit is viable. You can constantly harass his lack of detection with DTs, make him waste scans, money on ravens and turrets.
OR you can hard counter a heavy mech ball or marauders with immortals, and if he tries going mass ghosts, you can mass zealots and collossus. Then if he tries going vikings, you can just mass up stalkers. People don't think about it much, but protoss DOES have an easy time tech switching, and warp-ins help alot.
@MysteryAC, going dts early game is an allin move, because you lack units to expand and battle the opponent with this costly tech path. in mid game, theyre quite good but at the same time deny other tech paths like colos and hts which you need for direct confrontation, therefore youre vulnerable at that time. in lategame, you can mix em in but theyre not so effective anymore. and protoss has a really hard time switching tech until late game, because you lack unitpower and just lose.
@turkeysonmeth2 LOL. firstly the question should be what counters zealot + COLLOSI, seeing you say kiting doesn't work well under collosi fire, even thought it works fine. the only time kiting doesn't work vs toss is when the toss lays down force fields. ghosts auto take off half a zealots health. If you don't know how to deal with ZEALOTS, there's something seriously wrong with your play. l2 emp, win most of your tvps.
@turkeysonmeth2 really? I tend to think PvT favors Terran, but thats my opinion. Got colossi? Mass vikings. got High temps? Mass ghosts and of course the 3m bio ball kills all. but thorzain never got the chance to really get the right amount of vikings because he was restricted most of the time, but goes both ways i suppose.
@ZoomZip Got collosi? mass viking. Got mass viking? too much supply invested. you always go max 9 vikings.
how about this: got every single counter you listed? Zealots.
Kiting zealots isn't the most effective strategy under fire of collosus. I swear, every PvT i play (I play toss too) I just do a 2base charge timing and it still has yet to lose. Im only in plat tho...
Blizzard made battle mode hellions because of chargelots. Even says in the demo.
Husky missed how masterful INcontrol's timing attack was. He DT dropped in the main to draw ThorZain's army back so he could march his own army right into ThorZain's natural and FF the ramp. That's why ThorZain's entire army was in his base and why the nat was unguarded.
hey, i dont have sound on my computer, so i was wondering, if u can set up, so there are subtitles. Cus i was watching an old replay of husky, and there was a button to click for subtitles.
Husky what you say is true, but I bet European Grandmasters, like Thorzain, also w/ tourney experience etc and playing on a pro team are just as good as 95% of the Koreans as well. Maybe the top Koreans of GSL are above everyone esle, but common...
thumb me if you wait to close the stupid fuckign ad then 2 clicks for fullscreen and enjoy the entire video from your bed.
memokk 6 days ago
no tanks?no thors? just m&m...? fail
akilillo 1 week ago
i dont understand why terran players do use sensor towers against protoss. Intel is so overpowered knowning what your enemy has and when they are moving out is very important and the reason i think the toss guy won. Terran in the dark toss knew everything.
Xantheus07 1 week ago
protoss is bs
late game they are too strong
stubaru 1 week ago
Oh protoss. Such a lame part of the game everything about them is annoying.
madeinkorea1987 1 week ago
GO THORZAIN...*haven't watched the vid yet....."
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XxHybridSC2xX 2 weeks ago
protoss so much better than terran, thorzain is obviously the better player but because of a sentry select and f click he won the game
FenrisWolfSC2 3 weeks ago
@FenrisWolfSC2 are you dumb terrans over powered
germatron12 3 weeks ago
Good cast husky!
TRIX88X 3 weeks ago
I have slow internet and so I usually wait to start my Husky videos so they're buffered. When I finally click "play" and Husky says "today I have another tank stacking video" I was PISSED for about 2 seconds
Astupidalias 3 weeks ago
"and by slowly i mean by the speed of light" haha i love u husky
SpreadLoveMovies 3 weeks ago
Why do observers have a shadow?
Iverath 4 weeks ago
@Iverath Because they're invisible units. They are seen blurry without vision, just like Ghosts/Banshees in clock or DTs.
sloggie20 4 weeks ago
They have a shadow because they're invisible? That makes no sense. With that logic I'd be invisible!
Iverath 3 weeks ago
@Iverath The sun has detection
tjv323 3 weeks ago
@Iverath the theory behind cloak technology is they are able to manipulate the light around them to appear invisible but the object that is cloaked is still in fact there and would cast a shadow provided a light source imagine light from the sun like water hitting an object that is invisible
Darjaboo 3 weeks ago
Anyway I can play on these maps while not in Tournaments?
Duobitdezo 4 weeks ago
@Duobitdezo some websites i think. also alot of them are available in game on battle.net
Dmaster484 4 weeks ago
Great seeing Incontrol in action.
tegraphile 4 weeks ago
I haven't watched a video with Husky commentating in quite a while. He at least used to be entertaining to listen to, now he is boring and still sucks at analysis.
blizzardofozz62 4 weeks ago
@blizzardofozz62 i stoped watching these too it seems the sc2 craze has turned into skyrim craze
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sc2videomaker 1 month ago
OPtoss
GinToYura 1 month ago
husky sucks at casting
playguu 1 month ago
cut Husky some slack, he's only Diamond... bad game/minimap awareness
tsaiger 1 month ago 31
@tsaiger lolololol
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@tsaiger did you really just say cut husky some slack, he sucks? i dont think thats a reason to go easy on someone. i think it works the other way actualy....
EvilOtakuEmpire 1 month ago
@tsaiger he is also talking constantly while panning, try it yourself and see how good your map awareness works
princeofiron 1 week ago 4
@princeofiron is that an excuse? how many games has he casted? he casts/commentates games for money and as a profession, and he missed the biggest turning point of this game. the DT drop made Thorzain go back to his base, allowing INcontrol to FF his ramp and attack his expo, killing a bunch of workers and stopping mining for a long time. Husky panned over the DT shrine several times and didn't make a single comment about it. he didn't even know there were DTs in the game.
tsaiger 1 week ago
@princeofiron on top of that, INcontrol had his warp prism flying around to warp behind Thorzain's base... which should have given him plenty of time catch that drop. Husky didn't even know there was a warp prism. and if not that, he should've seen 3 DTs being in the production tab. I'm guessing you're plat or below?
tsaiger 1 week ago
@tsaiger hes a pro caster though so no slack will be cut, get your shit together husky.
MultiIdontwantachann 1 week ago
this from gsl?
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@DeviousWizard force fields require a lot of micro most players dont have. In the hands of an experienced player with a lot of sentries they can be devastating
TournamentGrid 1 month ago
thorzain didn't want to end the game straight away because he felt bad for the fat guy ^^
ACDCAJnl 1 month ago
Well commentated!
Mariner1437 1 month ago
come on go go protoss
PhoenixGodX 1 month ago
@Diablo666Daemon666 Because the Stalker and Sentry are clearly not good enough
lolzer505 1 month ago
Husky, I know of this really unique coffee cafe called Starbucks if you want to have a quick chat sometime.
P.S. they have tea, too. Amazing, right?
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Protip: Make sentries, win by default. Force Field needs to be removed in HotS and Blizzard needs to figure out a way of making Gateway units useful without them.
P1zzaSH4RK 1 month ago
Forcefield should NOT be removed. NOTHING should be removed. Stuff can be added, yes, like maybe a better Gateway unit?
Anyway, burrowing Zerg units nagate the ForceField, so it doesnt ALWAYS work.
Even versus Terran.
Diablo666Daemon666 1 month ago
@P1zzaSH4RK Make barracks / factory / starport win by default, unless you get outplayed. All your tech comes from simply tech labs while other races need to actually choose a tech path. Learn2play.
hoshinocrimsonwings 1 month ago
@hoshinocrimsonwings I play Random, dude. Force Field is brokenly overpowered. Stimpack is brokenly overpowered. Fungal Growth is brokenly overpowered. Blizzard is designing races with deliberately overpowered mechanics in mind, which is fucking retarded. You HAVE to have these mechanics to win but I frankly think they greatly diminish the level of skill involved when they're present... because they're OP as shit.
P1zzaSH4RK 1 month ago
@P1zzaSH4RK so true /:
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@P1zzaSH4RK Appreciate your mature and calm response, but when complaining about protoss, terran and zerg players love to leave out how lackluster gateway units are, untill Gasp, they're fully upgraded. Which by then, if the game hasn't ended yet, you were most likely out played by someone using units inferior to yours.
hoshinocrimsonwings 1 month ago
@hoshinocrimsonwings I play Random and favor Protoss. I am aware of how goddamn terrible gateway units are compared to terran and zerg t1.5 until Charge/Blink. The point is that Force Field is purposefully designed as a crutch for underpowered units, which is fucking retarded. Sentries themselves, and Guardian Shield, are great and perfectly fine, but Force Field is overpowered as hell... and was designed that way.
So was Stimpack (when combined with Medivacs.)
P1zzaSH4RK 1 month ago
@hoshinocrimsonwings engineering bay? armor lab?
mitzibishi 1 month ago
@mitzibishi Clearly you're not aware of what "tech" means, yes it covers more than upgrades.
hoshinocrimsonwings 1 month ago
@P1zzaSH4RK or they could make the force fields smaller or last shorter or consume alot more energy
DeviousWizard 1 month ago in playlist More videos from HuskyStarcraft
shit game
nextlvlshit 1 month ago
fuuuck, incontrol's play was amazing the way he kept force fielding thorzain's main's ramp
ajjekko 1 month ago
I always mute the first 2 seconds of Husky's videos.
thepoet82 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Disappointed, husky. You missed the most important DT drop in the terran main.
saberthelion 1 month ago
HUSKY! You missed a DT drop at 8:17. =(
uyuy72 1 month ago 54
I don't always watch HuskyStarcraft videos, but when I do, I watch 15 of them.
ExarchLaeresh 1 month ago
Good guy Thorzain.. Let's InControl win a game.
bubba18sar 1 month ago
Why does every have their hate on for incontrol?
larphraulen 1 month ago
lousy play from terran, just sayin...
bkarolczyk 1 month ago
I used to be bored... but then I took an H to the usky, Husky.
eivelinsar 1 month ago
@eivelinsar haha. That's actually almost funny.
IGNSTNKDN 1 month ago
ZEALOT LEGS
holypaladin5150 1 month ago
@graycube me too lol
RichieEG 1 month ago
If no one noticed there was a dt harras on 8:15
no offence just pointing out
YamatoStarcraft 1 month ago
I use husky videos to fall asleep. I don't know why I just find his voice just lulls me to sleep.
graycube 1 month ago
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matthewgrossberg 1 month ago
there was a dt warp prism drop at 8:30 in the terrans main base
chupzzzzz 1 month ago
Starcraft 2 is the reason South Korea is peaceful.
Standardchannel01 1 month ago
yea baby! incontrol with the win! thorzain is great and all but i think his timings can sometimes be off. not to say everyones cant just him especially i find. great game. thanks husky brother
JCthrowdownhour 1 month ago
i saw the title and thought to myself incontrolz is about to get owned@!@!@
rpotech 1 month ago
Very well cast husky. I love when u focus more on the strategy
blackedoutlightning1 1 month ago
@TheTrueSalpan yea, why you interested?
animalolz 1 month ago
Husky totally misses the dt drop at 11 min <_<
deltanator 1 month ago
Come on Husky this wasn't because of knock on the front door, the DT's were wrecking the mineral line and he pulled all the forces to deal with it and he lock thorZAIN outta his natural.
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moar stacking vids!!
p4c3maker 1 month ago
I have a question. Are Korean sc players pretty much considered the best across the board or are there some players from other regions who can compete at their level?
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@mma0tomars Korea is indeeed the best but there are definetly some players up to there level, but very few.
A few worthy of being listed:
IdrA(If he doesn't rage)
HuK
Naniwa
KiwiKaki
Destiny
But the only problem is, is that the list of good Korean players as good as these ones is about a list of 200+ players.
And yes, Koreans are considered the best.
TheScylent 1 month ago
@TheScylent
Eh, Destiny and Kiwikaki do not belong anywhere near your list. I get that the two of them are entertaining players, but dont let that bias you when you're determining how good they are.
Eljyaz 1 month ago
@Eljyaz Kiwikaki can do good and beat lotsa Koreans but on a regular basis I guess not, just was making a list of the top of my head. And yeah, I agree about Destiny
TheScylent 1 month ago
@TheScylent Destiny is pretty bad though and i don't think Kiwikaki is code S material either. The best foreigner is probably Stephano. He might even be the only one who can compete in the GSL code S.
ADancingWalrus 4 weeks ago
Lol I was about to quit the video when you said seige tank stacking.
ksass901 1 month ago
da da da da DARK TEMPLAR DROP IN YO MAINZ
kewlbeans23 1 month ago 2
Dt drop? Come on man.
xt1ttmx 1 month ago
Husky you completely missed the DT drop that got 10 probes
liasmeister 1 month ago 2
this felt like a low level game... the only aggression was when the two players smash their armies together :( MOAR KOREAN GAMES PL0X
4theswarm13 1 month ago
lol Husky, Thorzain wasnt really on lower tech, marines are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd tier tech for Terran. (im terran btw so dont think im qqing, its just a fact :D)
ThePwnerdude 1 month ago
I think Thorzain should start streaming. it would be awesome and it could get him a bit of extra money, so yeah... think its a good idea.
ThePwnerdude 1 month ago
Two words : TERRAN OVERPOWERED
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@gernou92 Gee, I wonder why Toss won if Terran is so overpowered.
xTheEnigmax 1 month ago
@gernou92 as a "lesser" protoss wins, against arguably one of the best terrans in Europe
nickm34456 1 month ago
".. and when I say slowly, I mean light speed."
digitalsignalx 1 month ago
before i start this can i safely assume in control loses?
ToWatchMusic 1 month ago
pretty bad to lose to incontrol... thorzain has really fallen
ddrirc 1 month ago
Should've blast those sentries with some siege tanks. Play some hardcore defense.
mr559 1 month ago
Terran would wait until everythig is gone before gg
604josh 1 month ago
I wish they would add some more gsl maps to ladder, or maybe even a seperate que where we can play maps like this or terminus. At least tal darim alter is in ladder though
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@Darkmongoose69 what about entombed valley and antiga shipyard ? >.<
wasser199 1 month ago
this terran player sucks lol
ASOTpewpew 1 month ago
@ASOTpewpew Yeah because he's not like the best in europe or anything...silver league idiots come to talk crap on thorzain
LetsGetRecklesss 1 month ago
Husky is such a bad observer... Im unsubbing
TheEliteSheep 1 month ago
@TheEliteSheep please do bitch
FroZzyMilK 1 month ago
lol "Zain" in hebrew means penis XD
YKBlaze 1 month ago 46
@YKBlaze no it doesn't
FroZzyMilK 1 month ago
@YKBlaze more like "za in" its pronounced differently :p
VaipoGaming 1 month ago
@YKBlaze So he's fighting thors dick you say?
shadowsecter 1 month ago
@YKBlaze THOR COCK!
GoombaDaddy 1 month ago
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saphisto 1 month ago
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saphisto 1 month ago
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@YKBlaze zain is like dick, more rude 'ish
while bulbul = penis, the more subtle one :)
saphisto 1 month ago
@YKBlaze its said za-in and not zain as husky says it :)
saphisto 1 month ago
@YKBlaze so him name means Thor penis???
GiantMine123 1 month ago
@YKBlaze my cousin's name is zain...
sealstein 1 month ago
@YKBlaze My dads name is Thor =D
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@YKBlaze
thorzain mean thor penis...
aminhilmi 1 month ago
@YKBlaze seriously lol
wing4212 1 month ago
@YKBlaze Thor's penis?
Woostercat 1 month ago
@YKBlaze Thor's penis?
IGNSTNKDN 1 month ago
INcholestoral
MrFriktion 1 month ago
@MrFriktion har har your funny bro.
FroZzyMilK 1 month ago
"... and I am back with another siege tank stacking tutorial video"
Almost closed the video.
zWORMHOLEz 1 month ago
so what could thorzain have done or what happened that made him lose? i can't see what made him lose that battle at the end....
cenafrk 1 month ago
@cenafrk, lol, if protoss gets colos, terran needs vikings. its as easy as that. he had a macro disadvantage, but it wouldve still been doable, if he didnt lose the factory and if he had made vikings in time. dropping a scan once in a while to find out the enemies main tech isnt so bad if you cant get any drops in
Ghruul 1 month ago
@Ghruul but if he started viking production then he couldn't make medivacs, which are KINDA important in a bio army.
cenafrk 1 month ago
@Ghruul, still, if you can snipe the colos, in a best case scenario (which is also not that unlikely) before the fight, protoss is fucked. protoss cant deal with a sizeable mm(m) army that has stim and better ups without aoe damage units. in mid-late game protoss cant survive vs terran without colos/hts and terran is all about nullifying these 2 units.
Ghruul 1 month ago
@Ghruul
oh, here we go. More complaining about how you can't just attack+move your little protoss army.
Learn to micro you scrub.
MysteryAC 1 month ago
@MysteryAC, lol. you know, using hts and colos is done by actually not a moving. and just fyi, mmm surpasses zealot/stalker/sentry in strength. if you ever played or saw a tvp/pvt, this should be clear to you. and protoss units take the most skill to micro out of all races.
Ghruul 1 month ago
@Ghruul
HAHAHAHAH
Oh wait, you were serious, that's EVEN MORE hilarious!
Collossus and HT do NOT require micro. You throw them at the army, psi storm, and boom. You're done. The attacks all stack and murder the opposing army with no effort.
MMM surpasses zealot/stalker/sentry? You know why? BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE.
Go on, fight a protoss with nothing but tanks, thors, and hellions. It can't be done.
Terran units require more micro than Attack+movetoss will ever need.
MysteryAC 1 month ago
@MysteryAC It must be hard to hit that stim button :)
ThatArcticFoxGuy 1 month ago
@ThatArcticFoxGuy
I didn't know hellions, siege tanks, and thors had stim. :)
MysteryAC 1 month ago
@MysteryAC Well played :P
ThatArcticFoxGuy 1 month ago
@MysteryAC, colos and hts may not require micro if you play vs players up to platinum level. from there on out you have to be careful with positioning your hts, sniping ghosts with feed back, not getting colos out of position, form arcs if you expect attacks, keep your chargelots back if enemy is kiting, blinking your stalkers and sniping vikings and move colos according to the positioning of vikings. thats whats required from diamond level onwards (at least in europe)
Ghruul 1 month ago
@MysteryAC, on the other hand, all terran has to do is kiting (which does take a lot of effort concerning multitasking, but pretty much no skill), form arcs with mms, snipe colos, feedback/snipe hts and then stim and a move. the micro might be more intense but takes a lot less skill and time to master. and terran has the advantage, that they can produce units while concentrating on battle. protoss and zerg need to go back to hatches/pylons (which does of course offer other advantages)
Ghruul 1 month ago
@Ghruul
You keep using marines and marauders in your argument, which I find funny.
Did you ever consider WHY MMM is so strong against protoss? Because NOTHING else can fight a protoss army.
An entire tank line can be made useless by 5 zealots drawing all the fire while blink stalkers close the gap, and collossus and immortals can just bumrush them without fail. Hellions require ALOT of micro, and they only counter zealots. Thors get slapped hard by HTs, immortals and stalks.
MysteryAC 1 month ago
@MysteryAC, in rts games you always have unit compositions which fare well against other u.c. . in tvp, mmm is most common for terrans and protoss has to adapt to that. and you should realize that theres a counter to every unit and the unit mixture is what makes it strong and therefore terran does have some options; ive for example already seen and lost to mass marines with banshees, which is really strong in midgame.
Ghruul 1 month ago
@MysteryAC There is one question i want to ask a terran since quite a while: Why no bf hellions against this mass charge zealot style? I mean, they are cheap and pretty cost-effective.
NeoMorpheus93 1 month ago
@NeoMorpheus93
On paper BF hellions would be good against chargelots, but it doesn't work in execution.
Chargelots will always get to do damage thanks to the most recent patches, and hellions need them to be in a group, in a narrow corridor for them to do max damage. Zealots just need to get in your face to do the damage.
Plus, psi storm and sentries are a death dealer to the hellion, which can't take splash damage and needs to be mobile to be effective.
MysteryAC 1 month ago
@MysteryAC Yeah, i think the nerv of the BF should be removed and Ghosts should make more dos. Or Tanks/Banshees/Thors/BC's should be made more useful, I don't know.
NeoMorpheus93 1 month ago
@NeoMorpheus93
EXACTLY. If we had a decent tier 2 and 3, I'd gladly take a nerf to tier 1, but most of our mech can be slapped silly, and thats counting the stuff that ISN'T considered a hard counter (AKA immortals)
MysteryAC 1 month ago
@MysteryAC Well, I think with cheaper ravens and banshees (in terms of vespine gas) Terran would have more options.
NeoMorpheus93 4 weeks ago
Meanwhile, with a protoss army, ANY unit is viable. You can constantly harass his lack of detection with DTs, make him waste scans, money on ravens and turrets.
OR you can hard counter a heavy mech ball or marauders with immortals, and if he tries going mass ghosts, you can mass zealots and collossus. Then if he tries going vikings, you can just mass up stalkers. People don't think about it much, but protoss DOES have an easy time tech switching, and warp-ins help alot.
MysteryAC 1 month ago
@MysteryAC, going dts early game is an allin move, because you lack units to expand and battle the opponent with this costly tech path. in mid game, theyre quite good but at the same time deny other tech paths like colos and hts which you need for direct confrontation, therefore youre vulnerable at that time. in lategame, you can mix em in but theyre not so effective anymore. and protoss has a really hard time switching tech until late game, because you lack unitpower and just lose.
Ghruul 1 month ago
@cenafrk he lost way before the final battle.
he shouldn't have dedicated so many units to dealing with the DT drop. once he was forcefielded out of his base it was GG
LightaxL 1 month ago
the force fielded ramp decided the game...
CaptainObvious0000 1 month ago
Thorzain looks a bit like you Husky? does he also have a nose, a mouth, and two eyes?
lol jk, love your content :)
llathem101 1 month ago
Husky is a horrible observer, and wow EU/NA TvP is so behind that of Koreans..
ProVODs 1 month ago
So much hate :L
brianb338 1 month ago
wow, incontrol actually beat a top tier player, im honestly impressed
ZoomZip 1 month ago
@ZoomZip PvT tends to favor Protoss. I think that's why, but hey, who knows.
turkeysonmeth2 1 month ago
@turkeysonmeth2 If you think PvT favors Protoss you most likely have no idea what you are talking about.
Godspart0n 1 month ago
@Godspart0n What counters a zealot.
Don't mention kiting, doesnt work too well under collosi fire
turkeysonmeth2 1 month ago
@turkeysonmeth2 LOL. firstly the question should be what counters zealot + COLLOSI, seeing you say kiting doesn't work well under collosi fire, even thought it works fine. the only time kiting doesn't work vs toss is when the toss lays down force fields. ghosts auto take off half a zealots health. If you don't know how to deal with ZEALOTS, there's something seriously wrong with your play. l2 emp, win most of your tvps.
Godspart0n 1 month ago
@turkeysonmeth2 really? I tend to think PvT favors Terran, but thats my opinion. Got colossi? Mass vikings. got High temps? Mass ghosts and of course the 3m bio ball kills all. but thorzain never got the chance to really get the right amount of vikings because he was restricted most of the time, but goes both ways i suppose.
ZoomZip 1 month ago
@ZoomZip Got collosi? mass viking. Got mass viking? too much supply invested. you always go max 9 vikings.
how about this: got every single counter you listed? Zealots.
Kiting zealots isn't the most effective strategy under fire of collosus. I swear, every PvT i play (I play toss too) I just do a 2base charge timing and it still has yet to lose. Im only in plat tho...
Blizzard made battle mode hellions because of chargelots. Even says in the demo.
turkeysonmeth2 1 month ago
Ok guys, why the fuck do we have to fill out a survey to watch a video now?
nickm34456 1 month ago
@nickm34456 i didnt have to...
turkeysonmeth2 1 month ago
This is from HomeStory Cup IV in Germany. InControL's EU account was not working, so he played his matches on Delphi's.
berlindude75 1 month ago
stack tanks at that ramp would have been a game changer
but on pro level tanks are rarely used cause terran mech sucks thor hair nutz
Gleyen 1 month ago
Totally missed the Dark Templar, Husky. Be more observant.
Doncroft1 1 month ago
@Doncroft1 Chill the fuck out, nobody's perfect.
turkeysonmeth2 1 month ago
13:25 cause you know, Husky prefers "ludicrous speed" ...
allenkim96 1 month ago
Is it bm to respond to gg wp with gg wp?
Min3mat2 1 month ago
@Min3mat2 Nope, nothing bm about that.
Enigura 1 month ago
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6KilstreakProduction 1 month ago
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@Min3mat2 if someone says gg wp, the best response would probably be something like "gg u2", but "gg wp" I dont think is considered bm either :p
6KilstreakProduction 1 month ago
Husky missed how masterful INcontrol's timing attack was. He DT dropped in the main to draw ThorZain's army back so he could march his own army right into ThorZain's natural and FF the ramp. That's why ThorZain's entire army was in his base and why the nat was unguarded.
nateyj11 1 month ago
hey, i dont have sound on my computer, so i was wondering, if u can set up, so there are subtitles. Cus i was watching an old replay of husky, and there was a button to click for subtitles.
Lurtzhy 1 month ago
Fuck incholesterol
RogetPoket 1 month ago
my nipples hurt when i twist them
JesusTwoThousand 1 month ago
my nipples hurt when i twist them
JesusTwoThousand 1 month ago
I seriously loled at the siege tank stacking comment at the beginning.
Calypso6917 1 month ago
Husky what you say is true, but I bet European Grandmasters, like Thorzain, also w/ tourney experience etc and playing on a pro team are just as good as 95% of the Koreans as well. Maybe the top Koreans of GSL are above everyone esle, but common...
fanathym 1 month ago