My two favorite polyrhythms 5:4 & 4:3

[job4cowboy94]

Your drummings good, and I'm NOT trying to be a dick here, I PROMIS, but what do you mean by 4/3 and 5/4? I'm used to 5/4 refrencing a time signature, but theres no such thing as 4/3 when talking about time signatures, and the beat on the feet is different yes, but the hand pattern is all 4/4, so does 4/3 and 5/4 mean something different? I know what polyrythms are, and those were polyrythmic beats, but I'm still unclear as to what 4/3 and 5/4 is refrencing.

[iheartZildjian]

So many comments on why his hi hats are so far away from his snare. I'll make it easy for you to compute. When a drummer plays open-handed, the hats are further away. I play both styles and I do the same thing with my hats. Its way easier to play open-handed with the hats further away.

[janken919]

@iheartZildjian Thank you!!! I wish I could have my hi-hat a little closer but the stand interferes with my other pedals. The two pedals on the left are a cowbell and tambourine.

[bmm665]

@janken919 You can search around the web for legless hi hat stands, that should help you out. It's pretty much just your standard hi hat stand but you only have the pedal that takes up space and not 2 or 3 legs coming down any which way. Was thinking about getting one myself.

[lowellroxz]

You have one of the most retarded setups I've seen in a long time. Your cymbal is sideways, your hi-hat is 80 feet away from your snare, and you have two kick pedals that you have to kick sideways. What's up with that?

[janken919]

@lowellroxz First of all, what's up with you? Jerk ass

[iheartZildjian]

@lowellroxz maybe youve never a open-hand drummer? check out carter beauford from the dave matthews band. hes amazing and he plays the same way.

[iheartZildjian]

@lowellroxz sorry, i should have been specific: my comment only addresses about why his hats are so far away from the snare. i dont know why his pedals are like that.

[ricardoieci]

what head s u use on your snare?

[janken919]

@ricardoieci EVANS HD Dry and EVANS GENERA G1 for the reso.

[TimBatan]

that hat is so far away

[janken919]

@TimBatan I know! I wish I had all this new gear where I could have all my pedals side by side!

[darzil007]

having some shoes on will help///////////////



[Lauli24]

@darzil007 That's such an arrogant answer. I've seen videos on YouTube where people are drumming with high heels or without any pair of shoes and still being great.

[freakadl]

i like this snare´sound!!!

[ricardoieci]

Do u use any plugins, reverb for your snare?

[janken919]

@ricardoieci Well, I have 3 cheap overhead mics that run into an old mixer and into my computer. I add extra reverb on Audacity, I hope that answers your question!

[Hotshotdrummer23]

i notice you have a hard time staying in time

[janken919]

@Hotshotdrummer23 Yeah sometimes when I go off on a tangent.

[The1aMatt]

Being  on a tangent has nothing to do with it.

[Tehdrumr4life14]

dear people arguing on this video...learn what a polyrhythm is. please.

[chrisaphelion]

suck



[janken919]

@chrisaphelion sprat

[wtficantgetausername]

@chrisaphelion youre a loser

[adamtuminaro89]

tune that snare up! couldn't be any lower lol

[drummerpablo1]

You definitely don't need to be playing evenly spaced notes for them to be in a time signature. If it takes five beats to end a measure, it's in five fourths. Crazy stuff, man! Good job.

[TheKylesauce]

@drummerpablo1 He's not playing a 5/4 beat. He's playing a 5 against 4 polyrhythm...

Basically, one stroke rhythm runs two strokes that repeat every 5 quarter notes, while another stroke is played every 4 notes.

[x][ ][ ][ ][x][ ][ ][ ][x] <---- there's the 4

[x][ ][x][ ][ ][x][ ][x][ ] <---- there's the 5. It takes 20 quarter notes for them to be on the same note again. (Lowest common denominator of 5 and 4 = 20) Not sure if that's perfect, but whatever. Peace :)

[drummerpablo1]

@TheKylesauce I agree with your definition of a polyrhythm and the analysis of each measure. That said, it's important to note the first beat of his 5/4 rhythm and 4/4 rhythm line up on every measure. This effect is achieved if you play a measure of 5/4 and a measure of 4/4 at different tempos so that the first beat of each measure lines up in both rhythms. This is essentially what Janken is doing, playing the rhythms you outlined in your comment at different tempos so they line up correctly.

[TheKylesauce]

@drummerpablo1

Just thinking about that makes me drool a little...

[jakubzor]

those are definitely called hemiolas. well at least the first one was. not to sure whether any of the other randomness was.

[drummerdude7318]

that's definitely not 5:4

[janken919]

@drummerdude7318 Okay, what is it then?

[drummerdude7318]

@janken919 the rhythm with the bass drum is an 8th note then a 16th note with an 8th note rest following it. Although this is a pretty groovy syncopation, in 5:4 the bass would be playing 5 constant, evenly-spaced notes in the exact time it takes you to play 4 notes against it

[janken919]

@drummerdude7318 Alright! carry on then.

[joe15rock]

@janken919 it is 5:4 but your playing a groups of note instead of just on the beat, so your hand is doing 5 and your feet is doing 4 groups of 2 notes. That makes the 5:4 a polyrhythm wheras the 3:4 is a polymeter. Hope that helped :D

[TheKylesauce]

@janken919 Pwned.

[janken919]

@TheKylesauce I don't understand?

[TheKylesauce]

@janken919 Well the conversation's gone now. But it said

"Those aren't 5/4." "What are they then?" "Well if they were 5/4 you'd have even bass strokes. You have an eighth note followed by a sixteenth note with a sixteenth note rest immediately after it." "Alright! carry on then." "Pwned."

[fatbob2011]

I love this but what is the actual definition of polyrhythm?

[janken919]

@fatbob2011 Polyrhythms are two or more tempos being played simultaneously.

[fatbob2011]

@janken919 thanks.

[tHickman95]

@janken919 Two or more RHYTHMS being played simultaneously.

Poly=many

Rhythms=...rhythms, not tempos, thay're two totally different things.

[janken919]

@tHickman95 rhythm is a vague definition, if it was up to me I would have called it a polytempo.

[tHickman95]

@janken919 Whatever.

But anyway, the way I like to count fives is 1-2-31-2-31-2-31-2-3 (NOT 1-2-3-1-2-3...)

It's tricky to explain on here, but if you start on your right hand, and accent every note you count on, that would be RlRlRLrLrLRlRlR. Just take away the accents to get RlrlrLrlrlRlrlr.

It's actually fuck easy if you do it this way.

Then, to get a polyrhythm, just play a bass drum on every 1st one of each set, then start to play your feet twice as fast. I found it hard going straight in.

[tHickman95]

@tHickman95 ^^GBTMB, just so you understand.

Also, trust me, it's polyRHYTHM. I've practically got my diploma for drum kit now.

[patwotrik]

@fatbob2011 lmgtfy.com/?q=Polyrhythm&l=1

[2112LSG]

wow i love the first one! i play that alot and i never even knew what it was till now, never even heard it before jst started playin it. although i cannot for the life of me get my head around these really really odd timings

[Fatalyze666]

polyrhythms are so sick!

[ifutureman]

@JDnCoke1992 indeed! I'd say the difference is like the difference between juggling 3 balls and juggling 5 balls; 3-against-4 is almost natural feeling but 5-against-4 is just insane.

[JrockII]

5:4 is in the middle section of Rosetta Stoned

[Jellybeantiger]

I'm a drummer but I was hopeless at maths at school so learning polyrythms would be OTT of my head.

[vidviewer92]

In the first one, you were syncopating. It wasn't triple.

[mrbdig]

Awesome video man and also what drum set is that im lookin for a big kit like that

[bigdombig]

i learnt the first beat fooling around one time all of my friends are better than me at drums but thats the one beat they struggle with cuz they dont understand it haha good stuff man really sick

[nath4460]

ive heard these what tool songs are they

[janken919]

@nath4460 The 4:3 is used in Jambi and the 5:4 is based on The Grudge.

[CORNP00]

@nath4460 the first bass drum pattern he plays is a rhythm thats used in Third Eye, and the second one is used in Rosetta Stoned

[aaronedgardrum]

Your five over four is actually four over five. I mean absolutely no disrespect by this, it's great and a very cool groove! BUT In order to be five over four you would need five equally spaced notes over four equally spaced notes that are relative to your pulse. That of course requires a quintuplet subdivision whereas yours is using sixteenths and cut up the other way around.

Feel free to message me if you wanna talk theory etc! I'm always down for talkin' shop! :)

[ClarkKasheta]

@aaronedgardrum That's a pretty good observation. It's probably more accurate to call this a hemiola grouped in five than an actual polyrhythm. A lot of people get hemiolas and polyrhythms confused.

[TheReligionkills]

Your 5/4 is not. It's a great poly rhythm that you are playing but the 5 has to be equally subdivided and what you are playing is a syncopated beat.

[youdass]

@TheReligionkills still good:)

[xXFatalAttemptsXx]

well done !

[MalikForHelvede]

your 4:3 is off by one note when you add the backbeat :)

It's the fifth note in every rep that is 1/16th late.

Other than that, it's great! A great way to train your mind and inspire beats

[lachy793]

i love polyrhythms. are those orange beaters the wooden demon drive ones?

[janken919]

@lachy793 Just plain wooden beaters painted orange so they show up better in my videos

[ecaepevolhturt]

I love this, keep making vids.

[janken919]

@ecaepevolhturt Thanks!