How about accept the fact that war is more or less a part of humanity and has been since the dawn of time.
lolololololol.
jk. But really, that would be pretty cool if only for a moment that people put down their weapons but, in reality. That won't be happening anytime soon... or ever...
Damn, GySgt Ermey is a pretty good shot (not surprisingly.)
This is the best body armor there is. I would trust it with my life no matter what the army says.
The only reason it failed army test was because the defense contract the army already had the paying people in higher positions, its all political bullshit not about whats best. I have seen generals in country where this armor , but no one had the balls to ask him, hey sir wheres your interceptor at.
@seedofgreatness uhhh you can buy AP rounds, M2 AP surplus rounds are all over the place, if I remember correctly the ATF has laws against "making" AP rounds not buying or selling. And what type of armor are you talking about that can't stop the M995? All level IV body armor is required to stop the M2 AP which has the highest penetration out of any non-saboted 7.62 or smaller round.
@akzo74 I am telling you that virtual no body armor will stop a m995 round. And real armor piercing bullets are illegal. Notice I said "stop high velocity Armor piercing rounds."
How many soldiers have died because of failures of the Interceptor Armor? too many!
But I like to pay close attention to semantics. If you watch the NBC special report on dragon skin the owner or spokesman admitted that the US Army was testing there level III & IV and not there level V . Basically saying(continued)
@seedofgreatness the M2 AP is a very real AP round, it out penetrates the M995 and is definitely a high velocity round, and the Army doesn't test level V because they don't buy level V. Level V armor is buyer customized to stop rounds specified by whomever is purchasing the armor.
@akso74 Marine Corps have recalled more than 23,000 body armor vests because they failed ballistic requirements when they were manufactured in 1999 and 2000. Many of those vests may now be in the war zone.
And this is not something I am making up, these are all reports from internal documents. The interceptor is the biggest shame and the epitome of the corruption in the military.
@cannedboyz and what happened when Air Force deployed DS to OSI? Oh yeah, it ended up failing testing after being fielded and Pinnacle responded by saying defective armor is better than no armor...real good business strategy.
@cannedboyz look if you just want to argue the need for better armor of the existence of test incompetencies in the Army, then there's nothing to argue, I agree. However I hold a great amount of reserve in jumping to the conclusion that all of this means DS was improperly tested or even that's it's outright better.
@cannedboyz besides the Army isn't the only group Pinnacle has gotten in trouble with and while Murray Neal champions himself as the inventor of DS the earlier patent is co-authored with Allan Bain who came out publicly against the capabilities of the design despite Neal's sales pitch of it being able to improve every property of modern armor (an admittedly unreasonable feat).
@SWEmanque Dragon Skin is still the best body armor availible. No other body armor has the ability to stop as many bullets as dragon skin can & have the ability to be technically "Blast Proof". If there's any other body armor that can do that, please, let me know.
@SWEmanque Dragon Skin is made to stop bullets & shrapnel, not explosions. Also, expecting bullet proof body armor to stop explosives from under is an unrealistic expectation. The Explosion will still do serious damage to every other exposed body part, & the shock wave from the explosion will stop your heart & kill you.
Dragonskin is sadely not good for soldiers, it is fantastic when shooting straight at it, but when shooting in angles it doesn't work. Dragonskin is very when weak when it comes to projectiles which comes from below, as from grenades and IEDs. Too bad...
To bad the Military has banded this armor seeing its taking over the intersperse armor gov- contracts. We where even told that we would lose are benefits if we are shot on the battle field using dragon skin armor. Ya giving use the best gear is bull shit.
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Basically in extreme hot, extreme cold, or when exposed to diesel the plates tend to fall out of place, making the armor useless. There were also instances where rounds were able to penetrate the armor even though they struck a disk.
@cannedboyz My god, you're correct. Thanks for the enlightenment. That explains why nobody uses it today, right? Do you enjoy sounding stupid, or just being wrong?
@joe4678 so that's your argument, that "nobody" is using them. What a boring argumentum ad populum.
That kind of juvenile arguments reinforces that you are truly incapable of serious reasoning or understanding... or you are again a deceitful propagandist who uses vulgar fallacies to appeal the least intelligent demography.
@cannedboyz that's a pretty arrogant and narrow minded view for someone who writes such extensive notes on how unintelligent and rationally incapable others are...
@akzo74 The tone doesn't invalidate the fact. If you want to make a rebuttal try to attack the argument, not the attacker, otherwise you'll fall in another popular fallacy: argumentum ad hominem.
@cannedboyz "attack the argument, not the attacker" you made personal attacks against joe twice! Reread your comments and tell me calling someone gullible or a rotten propagandist is not a personal attack. On a side note, explaining what type of argument someone is using, like you keep doing presumably to look oh so smart, does not prove your position on this argument, it's just a useless fluff statement since it really has nothing to do with body armor.
@cannedboyz as for rebuttaling against the argument how am I supposed to do that? "that's what they made you believe" is barely a fully formed idea much less an argument for anything, it contains so data, no explanation of who they are, why they would want you to believe that, and does nothing to address evidence put forth by the opposite side. You're going around posting paranoid delusional fragments calling them arguments and then attacking people who don't agree.
@cannedboyz you want an actual topic, the Army get's the IOTV from three companies (only one invented it) when they start using a system the Army buys the rights to the technology and then licenses it out to multiple companies for manufacturing for inventory security. If they bought DS guess who'd likely still be included in the order contract (especially since Pinnacle doesn't have the manufacturing capability to fill the whole Army), yep Point Blank.
@akzo74 so conveniently the companies making armor now would probably keep making armor, instead of producing the IOTV they'd make DS, which isn't that much of a cost burden to them since none of them are ceramic manufacturers they just assemble vests. So it's not like if the current product gets dropped these companies are going out of business, especially if as people keep saying these generals have so much pull on who gets what contract.
@akzo74 Also, the quality of the vests are alarming. An internal forensic study from the United States Marine Corps revealed: "as many as 42% of the Marine casualties who died from isolated torso injuries could have been prevented with improved protection in the areas surrounding the plated areas of the vest. Nearly 23% might have benefited from protection along the mid-axillary line of the lateral chest. Another 15% died from impacts through the unprotected shoulder and upper arm,"
@cannedboyz the marines don't use the IOTV and you completely missed my point earlier. The Army can adopt DS without those companies losing money. The IOTV is simply a design, any one of those companies can make DS if given the rights, and that's what the Army would do, buy the rights and distribute the manufacturing contract, and it'd likely give parts of those contracts to the companies it already uses.
@AsianAmerican68 Wrong. Dragon Skin failed certain non-standard condition tests which is exactly what the insurgents are generating. Scale armor in all of history had one weakness: one direction always guaranteed failure (up between the layers). This stuff failed in real world combat :(.
@friedstuffable the us army has double the military budget than the top 10 other militaries togheter. it is @700.000.000.000 far more than the second place far more then China(the second place) 114.000.000.000 and then from 60.000.000.000 to less.
So of the US army can't afford equiping it's troops(costs @2.000.000.000 ) with the dragon skin, than nobody can. The thing is that in the departament of defence there are a ton of corporalist and corrupt assholes :P
@friedstuffable a marine's life costs far more than you think ! first it's the hungreds of thousands of dollars invested in his training and after he gets wia or kia the military pays his family monthly or yearly thousands of dollars for the trauma :P plus the live of a man/women can't be replaced with even the biggest amount of money :P that's a small price for a thousand dollars vest :D
@vibers9 Not to mention that the military has to deal out at least $250k to any killed serviceman's family. More if there's some common circumstances. Kudos to someone who actually doesn't regard tests carried out by entertainment television to be superior to those carried out by the military!
@friedstuffable That was one of the reasons given but was incorrect as each year a soldier costs +$360,000 in Canada for training(don't know what U.S. is) so a $5000 vest is a great investment. The body armour chosen over this one (interceptor)...Behind the scenes the gov't staff choosing the body armor for service were all given permanent advisory positions within interceptor with a salary of +250,000/yr. Officially the armed forces stated that Dskin had a fraudulent NIJ rating and failed tests
@truffyt because the mp5 has a smaller round, just showing that even after putting in a bunch of 7.62 rounds into it, it is still capable of stopping smaller rounds as well. it's seem with some of the other body armors out there, they can stop a bigger round, but smaller rounds get through, or vice versa.
@mts6505 the regular "bullet-proof vest" can withstand to 3 bullets of 7.62x51 (NATO) anything over it penetrates like a black cock in a pink wet pussy :D :P even the .22 gets trough
@vibers9 A .22 has no chance against even the soft armour. And the real ceramic plates used can stop more than three rounds. They're also easier to replace (just take the plate out and insert another) than the Dragon Skin, which actually would have to be sent all the way back to the states to repair even tiny shrapnel damage to the vest. Besides, the glue that holds the disks in it together would disolve in to warm or cold temperatures.
Why the MP5 after the AK? FutureWeapons did it too, and it's the dumbest thing I've seen since the 9mm penetrates very much less than the 7.62. It's essentially like showing how good your new brand of glass is by tossing eight big rocks on it, and then expect people to be even more impressed when you show them that after that treatment it can survive when you throw a couple of hand fulls of gravel at it.
@truffyt Also because certain types of 9mm can be more effective at going through body armour. Like the round the HK MP7 fires. Remember when Mac had it on Future weapons and explained?
@SSDogSoldier I didn't see that, but if he said it used 9mm he's wrong. The MP7 fires a kind of rare round, the 4.6x30mm. And AFAIK it doesn't penetrate more than an AK-47. Just a hint at how much the 9x19mm can penetrate: You know the soft armour in current US vests, that that won't do shit to stop 5.56 or 7.62? That can stop ~30 9x19mm rounds at least.
@truffyt No no sorry pal, I got it kinda confused. You're right about the caliber it uses, it ain't 9mm but the reason my mind thought it was 9mm is because when i remembered him saying "pistol caliber" I automatically assumed it was a 9mm. My bad.
True though, 9mm ain't very tough at all, won't give a body armour too much trouble. Continuous rounds will wear it out. The vests the US are wearing now look like a load of shit compared to this, all that extra weight could be replaced for ammo.
@SSDogSoldier Don't see what's wrong about the current plate carriers. They're lighter and as warm as the earlier vests, or any full covering vest. Also mentioned in another reply that the glue holding the disks in Dragon Skin together doesn't withstand high or low temperatures, both of which are present in Afghanistan.
@truffyt I can see how that would be a problem, but everything can be fixed. Maybe the glue problem was the reason it failed the US Army's test that they had performed on it.
So would you say that Dragon Skin is just for domestic use in the USA? Police? SWAT and other law enforcement agencies?
@SSDogSoldier Well, one of their employees worringly enough said that though he did not deem it acceptable for use by servicemen due to said flaws, he very much recommended it for use by insurgents. Maybe it's not quite so good as some make it out to be then. The reason it failed the test was simple, it got penetrated whilst the plates currently used by the US military were not. Better to have plates that will never fail the first round then a vest that might stop ten rounds or no rounds at all.
@truffyt Insurgents? What insurgents is he referring to? What round penetrated the armour do you know? If it's something like the 7.62x51mm or 7.62x54, I ain't suprised really, those rounds are just devastating. I've seen a video of a what an AK47 bullet does to a body, not a dummy, a real body. It's nasty, but ain't those battle rifle cartridges unstoppable in most cases?
@SSDogSoldier Iraqi ones, or Talibans I suppose. I think it was some sort of 7.62 that penetrated a number of the vests with one shot. Soft body armour can't stop those rounds, but military body armour uses plates which are capable of stopping a number of those rounds. One of the first MoH awarded servicemen in the Iraq war was killed only after a fifth 7.62 round hit his plate and penetrated, and since then the plates have been upgraded considerably.
@truffyt Wow, as if an American company would try to sell to it's enemies. Hard enough finding the Taliban, now they wanna sell them armour?
I can understand 7.62 rounds would have no problem penetrating, but there is some serious money to be made by selling to law enforcement since most criminals have low caliber weapons that it would have no trouble stopping. That plate must've been very effective being able to take 4 shots, if it's upgraded now, then it's a beast. Can brokes still be broken?
@SSDogSoldier I think it was kind of a joke, meaning that he would be happy to see enemies waste money on it and carry defective vests around. AFAIK Dragon Skin is sold to some police departments in the US. Of course the plates used in current body armour can still be broken, but let's face it, how often does a serviceman get shot more than once at a single occasion? Read a book about Fallujah, some soldiers tested the plates with 5.56 and couldn't penetrate them with less than ~30 rounds.
@truffyt True, after getting shot, you would get the hell out of there. So basically, if it held off more than 1 round it is effective. But if it can hold more than 5, which a soldier would never really get shot that many times, then it is really effective because in an environment like Afghanistan where enemy combatants are really close, getting shot multiple times is a possibily but nothing like 30 times so the armour that is being used is very effective.
@SSDogSoldier I don't think you'd retreat when somebody gets shot, it's more got to do with odds. In most firefights, odds are that no US servicemen will get hit, and when somebody does get hit, or several, the odds that they'll only get hit once are overwhelming.
@truffyt Yeah, you've got a great point there. Hopefully further improvements will ensure one day that chances of soldiers dying by gunshots wounds are going to be massively decreased. Still got the problems with IEDs and such, now that's a bit of a problem. G-force i think it's called from the explosion goes through armour right? That's what kills the soldiers i'm pretty sure.
@SSDogSoldier The g-forces are a problem but I think what you are thinking of is actually the pressure wave of blast from the explosion. The concussion from the blast can break bones and rupture organs even if a piece of shrapnel doesn't hit you.
that isnt true man, stop thinking of typical armor keep in mind they have tested that vest far past the limits of normal armor. and it hasnt givin out to any bullet that i have seen them test it on.
"Back in Nam we didn't have no Hescos or kevlar vest and helmets to hide behind; all we had was our steel pots and our asses to kiss goodbye!" - Lt.Dan
@elementalwiz "Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter." -Winston Churchill Cannot be said any better than that. That is my answer.
@GoldenXen Yep, but steel was better for what was going up against in the past rather then what we have now. What have now is better for modern weapons…
My point is; modern people in the arms industry got to try to stop reinventing the wheel when it is already been made; we just need to improve on to it...
I fine it funny how we are trying to reinvent everything, and our modern armed gloves in the military. Hell, just more or less copy what has been made but with modern material...
Because how body armors works to protect you, alot of body armors can't take multiple hits because the plate that's being used to shatter the bullet will break
OMG all you fools are not listening. 'This will stop armor piercing pistol" That means the rarely found in enemy hands FNP Five-7 that shoots the 5.7 ammo. & stops "and high fast traveling fragmention" that means that if they(bad guys) are using Armor piercing rounds, Dragon Skin WILL NOT STOP them. Against an AK with AP rounds will destroy this vest. The best armor? How about miles away and mortaring hell down on the enemy's. A soldier was killed testing this vest. Google it click MSNBC link.
I think the issue is that ceramic plates are cheap and easy to replace. If a dragon skin vest has been hit, it is "compromised" and needs to be replaced. Its a lot easier to replace a ceramic disk than to replace half of the dragon skin vest.
This is why generals, general's guards, and special forces are using dragon skin, because they are a minority and their jobs are of the utmost importance. If they are going to get shot, they are going to get shot a lot and it will matter.
@0hypnotoad0 "Citation Needed" There was one instance of a General wearing DS in 2004 which was due to him not having any at the time for the tour. No one in the military is authorized to wear this stuff. SF are not allowed to wear this stuff. It's one of the few items banned by the military after they fraudulently claimed NIJ certification before they really had it. Lying to the military about that before testing is a BIG no no.
@garytang182 i didn't mean it like that id just like to see how well it would fair up to a barret and if you want to be a smart ass to me spell terrorists right.
@starwalker97 yea... it is pretty slow work too because Chuck Norris is the only one anyone has ever seen manage to actually kill a dragon. Fortunately the guy from ask a ninja can too... it is just that no one has ever SEEN him do it.
@starwalker97 they dont kill the dragons they are a protected species. they wait for night fall and when the dragons are asleep they sneek in and pull the scales off. super simple.
@akzo74 I'm not making anything up, sonny boy, you need to actually pay attention. The vest itself weights 5 pounds at level 3 protection. What adds weight are the optional armor plates, which adds 10 lbs. So the whole rig is about 15 lbs.
The interceptor vest the military is using now is 16 lbs. 8 lb. vest with two 4-lb. plate inserts.
I don't know where you're getting 50 lbs. from. A video game? You should try reading instead.
@DevilTakeMe first off the vest that holds DS is almost 5 pounds by itself second dragon skin doesn't work off of adding additional plates the plates just get thicker and if you actually do the math for the coverage area they define with the plate thickness and material they specify in their patent the armor weighs over 40 lbs. Do some math.
@DevilTakeMe they claim the armor due to overlapping discs is twice as thick and they specify 1/4 inch plates in the patent, they specify the ceramic is based off of SiC with some sort of Ti encasement and that the armor provides greater coverage. So for normal IOTV coverage with 2 10X12 +2 6X8 plates at a thickness of 1/2 in due to overlap and SiC having a density of 3.2 g/ccm the armor weighs 19 lbs plus the vest gives about 24.4lbs.
That ignores the greater coverage, Ti addition (where Ti is heavier than SiC), and added weight from the adhesive holding all the plates together so yes I believe you are making things up or have just not read the patent. There is no way this armor is lighter, just explain to me how it is physically possible.
@akzo74 I forgot about it. Mea culpa. I was just talking about the vests. I had a long discussion before I responded about why the dragonskin design was stupid because the upper chest area was made flexible, and forgot about the rest of the system.
@akzo74 If the vest weighed 50#'s I don't believe the guy would be standing up so easily walking around with it like it weighs 16#'s. I also don't believe that a man in his 40's would be able to hold up that front armor section that would weigh over 15#'s with one hand. Oh wait, thats because it actually weighs what they say it weighs on their website. The level III variant weighs 5.5 lbs. 1/2" thickness for plates,bullshit I've worn IBA and the plate are 1" thick, google it yourself.
@almst1 ESPAI plates are not 1", they're typically between .65-.78" and the actual ceramic layer in them is <.5". I don't believe that DS failed just because of the adhesive as that's easy enough to fix but do the math yourself, so they say the plates out of carrier weigh 5.5 lbs and have more coverage than an IOTV well what's (10*12*2+6*8*2)*.25*.1156 or in other words the coverage provided by a front-back and two side plates times the density of SiC.
@akzo74 This isn't hard to believe at all. The entire DS plate are circular discs glued on top of each other then vacuum pressed into a kevlar bag which is then cut to shape. The bag does not offer structural integrity. Attaching the discs by rings or chains adds more weight and a potential weakness. Adding pockets increase bulk substantially and it's already bulky. The lightest, SOV-2000 5.5lbs is similar to a SAPI, and level III, not IV as with ESAPI which weight 4.6lbs (size Large)..
@akzo74 the "scales" of the level III variant of DS are a 1/4" thick, so no wonder it is lighter. MTV(the armor I wore) weighs about 30#s and is a variant of the IBA. the IOTV weighs about 30#'s with everything in it, front and rear ESAPI, side ESAPI, groin protector, and collar. The IBA vest alone weighs 8#'s and the front and rear plates add 8#'s and thats without side plates. As for defects and such, thats crap; a study at Stanford university proved that after being cooked at 170*
@almst1 It wasn't Stanford Univ that did the testing. It was a lone military dentist who works as a ballistitician on the side. He only test 2 vests. The military tested 30 then later 50 vests. Some passed but some failed. Criteria is that all vests must pass the tests. This includes chemical, heat, and cold. Good luck changing out a DS plate if you take a hit. You can't just drop by the armory and pick up a new ESAPI. DS are level II maintenance and sent home to be fixed.
@akzo74 for 12 hours and fired at from a multitude of angles with different varieties and calibers of ammunition, dragonskin didn't have one failure(neither did the plate carrier system it was tested against, although they replaced the plates after every shot due to the natural cracking effect of the plates upon impact.)
I remember hearing about this in an Army newspaper when i was in Iraq. Light, flexible, and tougher than current armor plates. So good that Generals, SF, and Blackwater were wearing it. So i was excited.
Then i read how it failed some test and wont be reaching us. And later the newspaper reported how obscene some of these test were. They did their best to make it fail. Maybe they did this bc they dont it falling apart under super extreme conditions or b/c investors of the war would loose money
I remember hearing about this in an Army newspaper when i was in Iraq. Light, flexible, and tougher than current armor plates. So good that Generals, SF, and Blackwater were wearing it. So i was excited.
Then i read how it failed some test and wont be reaching us. And later the newspaper reported how obscene some of these test were. They did their best to make it fail. Maybe they did this bc they dont it falling apart under super extreme conditions or b/c investors of the war would loose monet
EVERY 1 SHOULD KNOW AND A VERY FAR DISTANCE BULLETS COME WITH MORE POWER, I WONDER IF THEY TRY TO TEST THIS WHITH A SNIPER RIFLE FROM A LONG THIS DISTANCE SOMETHING LIKE 600 YARDS.IS ANY 1 KNOW. I RELLY HOPE THE BEST FOR AMERICA.GREAT NATION.
@jesuselmexicanarts bullets lose power the farther the distance, and sniper rifle? why don't you say high caliber rifle or high velocity ammunition, at 600 yards, the bullet would have lost a good chunk of its kinetic power therefore its penetrating power as well
i wanna see a M240 or a PKM dumping 200 rounds in this thing.
JavaLuCpp 3 weeks ago
They wished. Firing at that thing while the dummy is PRONE is a different story, especially after 6 months in HOT HEAT DESERT.
SavageInsight 4 weeks ago
Shitty quality
LoneWorrior23 1 month ago
fpsrussian's better
THISISCHUCKNORRIS1 1 month ago
instead of making better body armor, stop making weapons how about that.
MerCyLeSsMetHoD 1 month ago
@MerCyLeSsMetHoD
instead of believing hippy nonsense.
How about accept the fact that war is more or less a part of humanity and has been since the dawn of time.
lolololololol.
jk. But really, that would be pretty cool if only for a moment that people put down their weapons but, in reality. That won't be happening anytime soon... or ever...
Damn, GySgt Ermey is a pretty good shot (not surprisingly.)
ThatOGDon 1 month ago
@ThatOGDon i know dude its in our nature to fight. you're right about that :p ow yeah btw i'm not a hippie ;D
MerCyLeSsMetHoD 1 month ago
this stuff doesn't work well in reality and it weighs a ton
jimmyhoffa9 1 month ago
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ThisThingOfOurs2012 1 month ago
THEY HAVE A MEXICAN THAT IS FROM THE BLACK HAND MAFIA MAKING THE ARMOR pause & see the black hand mafia print on his hand.. SMH --->>
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ThisThingOfOurs2012 1 month ago
You guys should look up Dragonskin. It was pretty much a hoax. They scrapped it
Smennyboy 1 month ago
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BatmanProject777 1 month ago
This is the best body armor there is. I would trust it with my life no matter what the army says.
The only reason it failed army test was because the defense contract the army already had the paying people in higher positions, its all political bullshit not about whats best. I have seen generals in country where this armor , but no one had the balls to ask him, hey sir wheres your interceptor at.
TheSkizsus 1 month ago
I miss mail call
iTzzEuphoriaaaaaa 2 months ago 16
@iTzzEuphoriaaaaaa Yeah... Me too. I enjoyed it sooo much...
SSdivisionen 2 months ago
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seedofgreatness 2 months ago
Here is the truth. Research it if you must. Body armor will not stop an high velocity Armor piercing round. Not even A.P.5.56X45 rounds.
Under no circumstance can a civilian legally buy or sell A.P. rounds(for mil. use only).
I believe the army, it easy for them to submit there vest for independent study.
they know they wont have the right ammunition to penetrate the vest.
Maybe the other vest protects better against frags and A.P. rounds.
seedofgreatness 2 months ago
@seedofgreatness uhhh you can buy AP rounds, M2 AP surplus rounds are all over the place, if I remember correctly the ATF has laws against "making" AP rounds not buying or selling. And what type of armor are you talking about that can't stop the M995? All level IV body armor is required to stop the M2 AP which has the highest penetration out of any non-saboted 7.62 or smaller round.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 I am telling you that virtual no body armor will stop a m995 round. And real armor piercing bullets are illegal. Notice I said "stop high velocity Armor piercing rounds."
How many soldiers have died because of failures of the Interceptor Armor? too many!
But I like to pay close attention to semantics. If you watch the NBC special report on dragon skin the owner or spokesman admitted that the US Army was testing there level III & IV and not there level V . Basically saying(continued)
seedofgreatness 2 months ago
@seedofgreatness the M2 AP is a very real AP round, it out penetrates the M995 and is definitely a high velocity round, and the Army doesn't test level V because they don't buy level V. Level V armor is buyer customized to stop rounds specified by whomever is purchasing the armor.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 (Continuing) that the test results were from there Level 3 & 4. Not the level 5 that they were offering.
I am saying read every round they are supposed to stop you will notice some rounds noticeably missing.
I support the dragon skin, I believe it is better. I saw Interceptor armor fail in Iraq.
I am simply saying those "FLAK" vest are not as bullet proof as they claim (neither one of them).
Don't take my word for it. The proof is right out in the open.
seedofgreatness 2 months ago
@akso74 Marine Corps have recalled more than 23,000 body armor vests because they failed ballistic requirements when they were manufactured in 1999 and 2000. Many of those vests may now be in the war zone.
And this is not something I am making up, these are all reports from internal documents. The interceptor is the biggest shame and the epitome of the corruption in the military.
cannedboyz 2 months ago
@cannedboyz and what happened when Air Force deployed DS to OSI? Oh yeah, it ended up failing testing after being fielded and Pinnacle responded by saying defective armor is better than no armor...real good business strategy.
akzo74 2 months ago
@cannedboyz look if you just want to argue the need for better armor of the existence of test incompetencies in the Army, then there's nothing to argue, I agree. However I hold a great amount of reserve in jumping to the conclusion that all of this means DS was improperly tested or even that's it's outright better.
akzo74 2 months ago
@cannedboyz besides the Army isn't the only group Pinnacle has gotten in trouble with and while Murray Neal champions himself as the inventor of DS the earlier patent is co-authored with Allan Bain who came out publicly against the capabilities of the design despite Neal's sales pitch of it being able to improve every property of modern armor (an admittedly unreasonable feat).
akzo74 2 months ago
i thought i read that it is bad with flames and it will melt and burn the soldiers bad but idk for sure
MrAxisandallies 2 months ago
*Disclaimer - Only for use in northern Canada, Antartica and northern Russia
nefets99 2 months ago
what channel is this on i have Dish btw Please tell
mw2rules1999 2 months ago
@SWEmanque Dragon Skin is still the best body armor availible. No other body armor has the ability to stop as many bullets as dragon skin can & have the ability to be technically "Blast Proof". If there's any other body armor that can do that, please, let me know.
CJL1290 2 months ago
@SWEmanque Dragon Skin is made to stop bullets & shrapnel, not explosions. Also, expecting bullet proof body armor to stop explosives from under is an unrealistic expectation. The Explosion will still do serious damage to every other exposed body part, & the shock wave from the explosion will stop your heart & kill you.
CJL1290 2 months ago
Wish i had this armour in the field, It is so much lighter!
KamikazeScarecrows 2 months ago
i wish they still made this
crashandburnbirner 3 months ago
Haha, nice gang tat. Twatwaffle!
Tr3ys0m 3 months ago
I didnot know this guy did these things. shit show looks amazing tho! where was I?!?!?
omnipotentbaron 3 months ago
Dragonskin is sadely not good for soldiers, it is fantastic when shooting straight at it, but when shooting in angles it doesn't work. Dragonskin is very when weak when it comes to projectiles which comes from below, as from grenades and IEDs. Too bad...
SWEmanque 3 months ago
I see a mosin nagant on the gun rack why don't they shoot it with that. 762x54r steelcore now that's a test.
redstate86 4 months ago
To bad the Military has banded this armor seeing its taking over the intersperse armor gov- contracts. We where even told that we would lose are benefits if we are shot on the battle field using dragon skin armor. Ya giving use the best gear is bull shit.
CyberSoldierD19 4 months ago
@CyberSoldierD19 They failed it for several reasons.
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Basically in extreme hot, extreme cold, or when exposed to diesel the plates tend to fall out of place, making the armor useless. There were also instances where rounds were able to penetrate the armor even though they struck a disk.
forrest225 3 months ago
@forrest225 Ive yet to have that Prob- with mine & ive had it for 3 years now.
CyberSoldierD19 3 months ago
@CyberSoldierD19 I'm glad to hear that.
forrest225 3 months ago
@forrest225 that is all fake.
The generals of the US are boycotting this product, because they have interests in Interceptor as it's their retirement plan after they retire.
Yes, it is that fucked up.
cannedboyz 3 months ago
@cannedboyz Incorrect.
joe4678 2 months ago
@forrest225 Correct. Under actual field use, dragon skin is garbage.
joe4678 2 months ago
@joe4678 that's what they made you believe. You are either a gullible patriot or a rotten propagandist.
cannedboyz 2 months ago
@cannedboyz My god, you're correct. Thanks for the enlightenment. That explains why nobody uses it today, right? Do you enjoy sounding stupid, or just being wrong?
joe4678 2 months ago
@joe4678 so that's your argument, that "nobody" is using them. What a boring argumentum ad populum.
That kind of juvenile arguments reinforces that you are truly incapable of serious reasoning or understanding... or you are again a deceitful propagandist who uses vulgar fallacies to appeal the least intelligent demography.
In either case, you are pathetic.
cannedboyz 2 months ago
@cannedboyz that's a pretty arrogant and narrow minded view for someone who writes such extensive notes on how unintelligent and rationally incapable others are...
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 The tone doesn't invalidate the fact. If you want to make a rebuttal try to attack the argument, not the attacker, otherwise you'll fall in another popular fallacy: argumentum ad hominem.
cannedboyz 2 months ago
@cannedboyz "attack the argument, not the attacker" you made personal attacks against joe twice! Reread your comments and tell me calling someone gullible or a rotten propagandist is not a personal attack. On a side note, explaining what type of argument someone is using, like you keep doing presumably to look oh so smart, does not prove your position on this argument, it's just a useless fluff statement since it really has nothing to do with body armor.
akzo74 2 months ago
@cannedboyz as for rebuttaling against the argument how am I supposed to do that? "that's what they made you believe" is barely a fully formed idea much less an argument for anything, it contains so data, no explanation of who they are, why they would want you to believe that, and does nothing to address evidence put forth by the opposite side. You're going around posting paranoid delusional fragments calling them arguments and then attacking people who don't agree.
akzo74 2 months ago
@cannedboyz you want an actual topic, the Army get's the IOTV from three companies (only one invented it) when they start using a system the Army buys the rights to the technology and then licenses it out to multiple companies for manufacturing for inventory security. If they bought DS guess who'd likely still be included in the order contract (especially since Pinnacle doesn't have the manufacturing capability to fill the whole Army), yep Point Blank.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 so conveniently the companies making armor now would probably keep making armor, instead of producing the IOTV they'd make DS, which isn't that much of a cost burden to them since none of them are ceramic manufacturers they just assemble vests. So it's not like if the current product gets dropped these companies are going out of business, especially if as people keep saying these generals have so much pull on who gets what contract.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 Also, the quality of the vests are alarming. An internal forensic study from the United States Marine Corps revealed: "as many as 42% of the Marine casualties who died from isolated torso injuries could have been prevented with improved protection in the areas surrounding the plated areas of the vest. Nearly 23% might have benefited from protection along the mid-axillary line of the lateral chest. Another 15% died from impacts through the unprotected shoulder and upper arm,"
cannedboyz 2 months ago
@cannedboyz the marines don't use the IOTV and you completely missed my point earlier. The Army can adopt DS without those companies losing money. The IOTV is simply a design, any one of those companies can make DS if given the rights, and that's what the Army would do, buy the rights and distribute the manufacturing contract, and it'd likely give parts of those contracts to the companies it already uses.
akzo74 2 months ago
@akzo74 I wasn't making empty attacks, I was angry, yes, but I had a reason.
I recommend you to see who are the board of directors of those three companies.
cannedboyz 2 months ago
the dude. putting the dragon skin together.. is a bulldog gang member from fresno ca..
rtmalibu03 4 months ago
@tdog1202 around $5000
Quinnstafer 4 months ago
how much does this stuff cost tho?
tdog1202 4 months ago
If it was YOUR ____ (fill in the blank) on the line in Iraq or Afghanistan, I bet YOU would want to be wearing Dragonskin... Orders or No-Orders!!
AsianAmerican68 4 months ago 7
@AsianAmerican68 Wrong. Dragon Skin failed certain non-standard condition tests which is exactly what the insurgents are generating. Scale armor in all of history had one weakness: one direction always guaranteed failure (up between the layers). This stuff failed in real world combat :(.
SavageInsight 4 weeks ago
@AsianAmerican68 i think we all know a crheaper way to save troops lives dont go to war for no reason
TheAlexagius 2 weeks ago
R. Lee Ermey just HATES watermelons. At the same time, he LOVES them.
It must be a Love-Hate relationship.
HaloModder555 5 months ago
@friedstuffable the us army has double the military budget than the top 10 other militaries togheter. it is @700.000.000.000 far more than the second place far more then China(the second place) 114.000.000.000 and then from 60.000.000.000 to less.
So of the US army can't afford equiping it's troops(costs @2.000.000.000 ) with the dragon skin, than nobody can. The thing is that in the departament of defence there are a ton of corporalist and corrupt assholes :P
vibers9 5 months ago
Răspundeţi la acest videoclip... YOU TROLLING BUTHOLE !! =D
vibers9 5 months ago
@friedstuffable a marine's life costs far more than you think ! first it's the hungreds of thousands of dollars invested in his training and after he gets wia or kia the military pays his family monthly or yearly thousands of dollars for the trauma :P plus the live of a man/women can't be replaced with even the biggest amount of money :P that's a small price for a thousand dollars vest :D
vibers9 5 months ago
@vibers9 Not to mention that the military has to deal out at least $250k to any killed serviceman's family. More if there's some common circumstances. Kudos to someone who actually doesn't regard tests carried out by entertainment television to be superior to those carried out by the military!
truffyt 5 months ago
@friedstuffable That was one of the reasons given but was incorrect as each year a soldier costs +$360,000 in Canada for training(don't know what U.S. is) so a $5000 vest is a great investment. The body armour chosen over this one (interceptor)...Behind the scenes the gov't staff choosing the body armor for service were all given permanent advisory positions within interceptor with a salary of +250,000/yr. Officially the armed forces stated that Dskin had a fraudulent NIJ rating and failed tests
tyroneemail 5 months ago
@truffyt because the mp5 has a smaller round, just showing that even after putting in a bunch of 7.62 rounds into it, it is still capable of stopping smaller rounds as well. it's seem with some of the other body armors out there, they can stop a bigger round, but smaller rounds get through, or vice versa.
mts6505 5 months ago
@mts6505 the regular "bullet-proof vest" can withstand to 3 bullets of 7.62x51 (NATO) anything over it penetrates like a black cock in a pink wet pussy :D :P even the .22 gets trough
vibers9 5 months ago
@vibers9 A .22 has no chance against even the soft armour. And the real ceramic plates used can stop more than three rounds. They're also easier to replace (just take the plate out and insert another) than the Dragon Skin, which actually would have to be sent all the way back to the states to repair even tiny shrapnel damage to the vest. Besides, the glue that holds the disks in it together would disolve in to warm or cold temperatures.
truffyt 5 months ago
Why the MP5 after the AK? FutureWeapons did it too, and it's the dumbest thing I've seen since the 9mm penetrates very much less than the 7.62. It's essentially like showing how good your new brand of glass is by tossing eight big rocks on it, and then expect people to be even more impressed when you show them that after that treatment it can survive when you throw a couple of hand fulls of gravel at it.
truffyt 5 months ago
@truffyt Also because certain types of 9mm can be more effective at going through body armour. Like the round the HK MP7 fires. Remember when Mac had it on Future weapons and explained?
Just one of those things really.
SSDogSoldier 5 months ago
@SSDogSoldier I didn't see that, but if he said it used 9mm he's wrong. The MP7 fires a kind of rare round, the 4.6x30mm. And AFAIK it doesn't penetrate more than an AK-47. Just a hint at how much the 9x19mm can penetrate: You know the soft armour in current US vests, that that won't do shit to stop 5.56 or 7.62? That can stop ~30 9x19mm rounds at least.
truffyt 5 months ago
@truffyt No no sorry pal, I got it kinda confused. You're right about the caliber it uses, it ain't 9mm but the reason my mind thought it was 9mm is because when i remembered him saying "pistol caliber" I automatically assumed it was a 9mm. My bad.
True though, 9mm ain't very tough at all, won't give a body armour too much trouble. Continuous rounds will wear it out. The vests the US are wearing now look like a load of shit compared to this, all that extra weight could be replaced for ammo.
SSDogSoldier 5 months ago
@SSDogSoldier Don't see what's wrong about the current plate carriers. They're lighter and as warm as the earlier vests, or any full covering vest. Also mentioned in another reply that the glue holding the disks in Dragon Skin together doesn't withstand high or low temperatures, both of which are present in Afghanistan.
truffyt 5 months ago
@truffyt I can see how that would be a problem, but everything can be fixed. Maybe the glue problem was the reason it failed the US Army's test that they had performed on it.
So would you say that Dragon Skin is just for domestic use in the USA? Police? SWAT and other law enforcement agencies?
SSDogSoldier 5 months ago
@SSDogSoldier Well, one of their employees worringly enough said that though he did not deem it acceptable for use by servicemen due to said flaws, he very much recommended it for use by insurgents. Maybe it's not quite so good as some make it out to be then. The reason it failed the test was simple, it got penetrated whilst the plates currently used by the US military were not. Better to have plates that will never fail the first round then a vest that might stop ten rounds or no rounds at all.
truffyt 5 months ago
@truffyt Insurgents? What insurgents is he referring to? What round penetrated the armour do you know? If it's something like the 7.62x51mm or 7.62x54, I ain't suprised really, those rounds are just devastating. I've seen a video of a what an AK47 bullet does to a body, not a dummy, a real body. It's nasty, but ain't those battle rifle cartridges unstoppable in most cases?
SSDogSoldier 5 months ago
@SSDogSoldier Iraqi ones, or Talibans I suppose. I think it was some sort of 7.62 that penetrated a number of the vests with one shot. Soft body armour can't stop those rounds, but military body armour uses plates which are capable of stopping a number of those rounds. One of the first MoH awarded servicemen in the Iraq war was killed only after a fifth 7.62 round hit his plate and penetrated, and since then the plates have been upgraded considerably.
truffyt 5 months ago
@truffyt Wow, as if an American company would try to sell to it's enemies. Hard enough finding the Taliban, now they wanna sell them armour?
I can understand 7.62 rounds would have no problem penetrating, but there is some serious money to be made by selling to law enforcement since most criminals have low caliber weapons that it would have no trouble stopping. That plate must've been very effective being able to take 4 shots, if it's upgraded now, then it's a beast. Can brokes still be broken?
SSDogSoldier 5 months ago
@SSDogSoldier I think it was kind of a joke, meaning that he would be happy to see enemies waste money on it and carry defective vests around. AFAIK Dragon Skin is sold to some police departments in the US. Of course the plates used in current body armour can still be broken, but let's face it, how often does a serviceman get shot more than once at a single occasion? Read a book about Fallujah, some soldiers tested the plates with 5.56 and couldn't penetrate them with less than ~30 rounds.
truffyt 5 months ago
@truffyt True, after getting shot, you would get the hell out of there. So basically, if it held off more than 1 round it is effective. But if it can hold more than 5, which a soldier would never really get shot that many times, then it is really effective because in an environment like Afghanistan where enemy combatants are really close, getting shot multiple times is a possibily but nothing like 30 times so the armour that is being used is very effective.
SSDogSoldier 5 months ago
@SSDogSoldier I don't think you'd retreat when somebody gets shot, it's more got to do with odds. In most firefights, odds are that no US servicemen will get hit, and when somebody does get hit, or several, the odds that they'll only get hit once are overwhelming.
truffyt 5 months ago
@truffyt Yeah, you've got a great point there. Hopefully further improvements will ensure one day that chances of soldiers dying by gunshots wounds are going to be massively decreased. Still got the problems with IEDs and such, now that's a bit of a problem. G-force i think it's called from the explosion goes through armour right? That's what kills the soldiers i'm pretty sure.
SSDogSoldier 5 months ago
@SSDogSoldier The g-forces are a problem but I think what you are thinking of is actually the pressure wave of blast from the explosion. The concussion from the blast can break bones and rupture organs even if a piece of shrapnel doesn't hit you.
Plur307 4 months ago
but will it blend that is the anser?
starwalker97 5 months ago 2
Can I get this for Crossfire ?!
NexisFilms 5 months ago
My concern is that the enemy will aim for your head if he knows the armor is inpenetrable.
zooky443 6 months ago
I got to meet R. Lee Ermey! :D
DEOXYS987 6 months ago
that isnt true man, stop thinking of typical armor keep in mind they have tested that vest far past the limits of normal armor. and it hasnt givin out to any bullet that i have seen them test it on.
spiketamara2007 6 months ago
Does anyone know if Dragon Skin can take 50 cal bullets?
codename7000 6 months ago
@codename7000 no it cant
2004PontiacGTO 6 months ago
@codename7000 NOTHING on a footsoldier can stop a .50 cal.
TheDazachman 6 months ago
gunny has been in the military his whole life and he still calls a magazine a "clip"?
ijl1i 6 months ago
Wrong, of course!
MushroomPictures 6 months ago
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"Back in Nam we didn't have no Hescos or kevlar vest and helmets to hide behind; all we had was our steel pots and our asses to kiss goodbye!" - Lt.Dan
Kliffton415 6 months ago
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Kliffton415 6 months ago
omg!
seacadetspro 6 months ago
@elementalwiz "Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter." -Winston Churchill Cannot be said any better than that. That is my answer.
12gaugebleachdrinker 6 months ago
The modern Dragon Skin body armor looks what many Medieval soldiers had; it was called Coat of plates...
xxTeutonicKnightxx 6 months ago
with new hightech material.
GoldenXen 6 months ago
@GoldenXen Yep, but steel was better for what was going up against in the past rather then what we have now. What have now is better for modern weapons…
My point is; modern people in the arms industry got to try to stop reinventing the wheel when it is already been made; we just need to improve on to it...
I fine it funny how we are trying to reinvent everything, and our modern armed gloves in the military. Hell, just more or less copy what has been made but with modern material...
xxTeutonicKnightxx 5 months ago
why did they waste time by showing the 9mm after a 7.62x39 which is much more powerful? but i do miss the gunny
tigerm48 6 months ago
@tigerm48
Because how body armors works to protect you, alot of body armors can't take multiple hits because the plate that's being used to shatter the bullet will break
KarinMikazuki 6 months ago
@KarinMikazuki that is true.
xxTeutonicKnightxx 6 months ago
isn't this meant to not work above certain temperatures?
cloudycolacorp 7 months ago
OMG all you fools are not listening. 'This will stop armor piercing pistol" That means the rarely found in enemy hands FNP Five-7 that shoots the 5.7 ammo. & stops "and high fast traveling fragmention" that means that if they(bad guys) are using Armor piercing rounds, Dragon Skin WILL NOT STOP them. Against an AK with AP rounds will destroy this vest. The best armor? How about miles away and mortaring hell down on the enemy's. A soldier was killed testing this vest. Google it click MSNBC link.
12gaugebleachdrinker 7 months ago
@12gaugebleachdrinker I'm pretty sure that he was only talking about the knee armor variant when he said that.
acollado1225 7 months ago
I miss this show :(
148scalemodeling 7 months ago 36
@148scalemodeling i know i was 6 when they stopped airing it:( gunny was my fav next to Commander Rabb
seacadetspro 6 months ago
the dragon skin can stop a ak round witout the wearer suffering injuries
alcapone796 7 months ago
did they cancel this whole dragon skin idea as of today??? i've never seen it before
yourcomingoffstupid 7 months ago
@yourcomingoffstupid military wont spend money on it, their lives arent worth it aparntly so they made bullshit up that its innofective
KulakxFilms 7 months ago 2
@yourcomingoffstupid I think only special ops use it...
liver0y 7 months ago
0:39 Lex Luthor would be proud.
50033836 7 months ago
god i fuckin love this guy
rhoadsrocker 7 months ago
i would shoot the dummys head off and say. oh i think he is dead
usukker 8 months ago
@usukker And thats why your not in the military..!
liver0y 7 months ago
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usukker 7 months ago
i still can blow your head off when you wear this armour.
usukker 8 months ago
@usukker Okkkayyyy kid, go back to your call of duty.
D4k0ta18 7 months ago
@D4k0ta18 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
usukker 7 months ago
What happened at 7.20? Did he accidentally fire some rounds?
GerhardSchroeder 8 months ago
damn i knew my vest i wear rihgt now sucked but now i know just how much it does!!!
KamekazeKuban 8 months ago
isnt there a way soldiers can just sneak this stuff in, forgive my ignorance but surely noone is going to tell the difference
jubwervouk 8 months ago
I think the issue is that ceramic plates are cheap and easy to replace. If a dragon skin vest has been hit, it is "compromised" and needs to be replaced. Its a lot easier to replace a ceramic disk than to replace half of the dragon skin vest.
This is why generals, general's guards, and special forces are using dragon skin, because they are a minority and their jobs are of the utmost importance. If they are going to get shot, they are going to get shot a lot and it will matter.
0hypnotoad0 8 months ago
@0hypnotoad0 "Citation Needed" There was one instance of a General wearing DS in 2004 which was due to him not having any at the time for the tour. No one in the military is authorized to wear this stuff. SF are not allowed to wear this stuff. It's one of the few items banned by the military after they fraudulently claimed NIJ certification before they really had it. Lying to the military about that before testing is a BIG no no.
brainplay 7 months ago
just shoot dragon skin with a barret 50.kal see how it fairs then
ambushdude 8 months ago
@ambushdude do terriost use 50 cals because i think they use aks
garytang182 7 months ago
@garytang182 i didn't mean it like that id just like to see how well it would fair up to a barret and if you want to be a smart ass to me spell terrorists right.
ambushdude 7 months ago
@ambushdude i wasen't being a smart ass.
garytang182 7 months ago
Shame that no one in the military is using this stuff yet and probably won't until the law suite is finished.
MartialBob 8 months ago
sucks thay have to kill dragons to make this armore
starwalker97 8 months ago 97
@starwalker97 blame it on jrr tolkien
KulakxFilms 7 months ago
@starwalker97 It's ok... The game of thrones finale... More dragons were just born :)
Gooseman2k2 7 months ago
@starwalker97 yea... it is pretty slow work too because Chuck Norris is the only one anyone has ever seen manage to actually kill a dragon. Fortunately the guy from ask a ninja can too... it is just that no one has ever SEEN him do it.
MrAwsome514 5 months ago
@starwalker97 they dont kill the dragons they are a protected species. they wait for night fall and when the dragons are asleep they sneek in and pull the scales off. super simple.
RichardOhKaNoi 3 months ago
@RichardOhKaNoi no they send knights to go slay them
starwalker97 3 months ago
@starwalker97 it is alright. they breed them now. so, there are plenty of Dragons to go around. :)
*great armor
chinopino7 3 months ago
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@starwalker97 it is alright. they breed them now. so, there are plenty of Dragons to go around. :)
great armor
chinopino7 3 months ago
@DisgorgeNUKEusa There's irony in how terrible your English is and you're insulting Ermey's intelligence.
Krisg9994 8 months ago
@DisgorgeNUKEusa Oh the irony, it's killin' me.
Krisg9994 8 months ago
That guy is scared of Gunny, lol!
Knuckified 8 months ago
Dragon Skin weighs sucks it weighs 50lbs
masterlukes6000 9 months ago
@masterlukes6000 It weights 5.0 pounds. FIVE pounds, not fifty.
DevilTakeMe 9 months ago
@DevilTakeMe thats is not physcically possible, the armor carrier weighs more than 5 pounds, stop making shit up.
akzo74 9 months ago
@akzo74 I'm not making anything up, sonny boy, you need to actually pay attention. The vest itself weights 5 pounds at level 3 protection. What adds weight are the optional armor plates, which adds 10 lbs. So the whole rig is about 15 lbs.
The interceptor vest the military is using now is 16 lbs. 8 lb. vest with two 4-lb. plate inserts.
I don't know where you're getting 50 lbs. from. A video game? You should try reading instead.
DevilTakeMe 9 months ago
@DevilTakeMe first off the vest that holds DS is almost 5 pounds by itself second dragon skin doesn't work off of adding additional plates the plates just get thicker and if you actually do the math for the coverage area they define with the plate thickness and material they specify in their patent the armor weighs over 40 lbs. Do some math.
akzo74 9 months ago
@DevilTakeMe they claim the armor due to overlapping discs is twice as thick and they specify 1/4 inch plates in the patent, they specify the ceramic is based off of SiC with some sort of Ti encasement and that the armor provides greater coverage. So for normal IOTV coverage with 2 10X12 +2 6X8 plates at a thickness of 1/2 in due to overlap and SiC having a density of 3.2 g/ccm the armor weighs 19 lbs plus the vest gives about 24.4lbs.
akzo74 9 months ago
That ignores the greater coverage, Ti addition (where Ti is heavier than SiC), and added weight from the adhesive holding all the plates together so yes I believe you are making things up or have just not read the patent. There is no way this armor is lighter, just explain to me how it is physically possible.
akzo74 9 months ago
@akzo74 I forgot about it. Mea culpa. I was just talking about the vests. I had a long discussion before I responded about why the dragonskin design was stupid because the upper chest area was made flexible, and forgot about the rest of the system.
DevilTakeMe 9 months ago
@DevilTakeMe no big deal.
akzo74 9 months ago
@akzo74 If the vest weighed 50#'s I don't believe the guy would be standing up so easily walking around with it like it weighs 16#'s. I also don't believe that a man in his 40's would be able to hold up that front armor section that would weigh over 15#'s with one hand. Oh wait, thats because it actually weighs what they say it weighs on their website. The level III variant weighs 5.5 lbs. 1/2" thickness for plates,bullshit I've worn IBA and the plate are 1" thick, google it yourself.
almst1 9 months ago
@almst1 ESPAI plates are not 1", they're typically between .65-.78" and the actual ceramic layer in them is <.5". I don't believe that DS failed just because of the adhesive as that's easy enough to fix but do the math yourself, so they say the plates out of carrier weigh 5.5 lbs and have more coverage than an IOTV well what's (10*12*2+6*8*2)*.25*.1156 or in other words the coverage provided by a front-back and two side plates times the density of SiC.
akzo74 8 months ago
@akzo74 This isn't hard to believe at all. The entire DS plate are circular discs glued on top of each other then vacuum pressed into a kevlar bag which is then cut to shape. The bag does not offer structural integrity. Attaching the discs by rings or chains adds more weight and a potential weakness. Adding pockets increase bulk substantially and it's already bulky. The lightest, SOV-2000 5.5lbs is similar to a SAPI, and level III, not IV as with ESAPI which weight 4.6lbs (size Large)..
brainplay 8 months ago
@akzo74 the "scales" of the level III variant of DS are a 1/4" thick, so no wonder it is lighter. MTV(the armor I wore) weighs about 30#s and is a variant of the IBA. the IOTV weighs about 30#'s with everything in it, front and rear ESAPI, side ESAPI, groin protector, and collar. The IBA vest alone weighs 8#'s and the front and rear plates add 8#'s and thats without side plates. As for defects and such, thats crap; a study at Stanford university proved that after being cooked at 170*
almst1 9 months ago
@almst1 It wasn't Stanford Univ that did the testing. It was a lone military dentist who works as a ballistitician on the side. He only test 2 vests. The military tested 30 then later 50 vests. Some passed but some failed. Criteria is that all vests must pass the tests. This includes chemical, heat, and cold. Good luck changing out a DS plate if you take a hit. You can't just drop by the armory and pick up a new ESAPI. DS are level II maintenance and sent home to be fixed.
brainplay 8 months ago
@akzo74 for 12 hours and fired at from a multitude of angles with different varieties and calibers of ammunition, dragonskin didn't have one failure(neither did the plate carrier system it was tested against, although they replaced the plates after every shot due to the natural cracking effect of the plates upon impact.)
almst1 9 months ago
y arn't we using this man????
terradragon 9 months ago
26 terrorist now
nicholasgaerlan1 9 months ago
how much those thing cost?
laurent4363 9 months ago
I miss mail call. They never fucking play it anymore.
bigbob6556 9 months ago
Why haven't they made a whole suit yet? Like a Tron suit made of Dragon Skin
GoggleWarrior 9 months ago
Why do they never test rounds that have any decent penetration? 9mm and 7.62x39 have much less penetration than 5.56 or other rounds
poplug 9 months ago
@poplug
hmm. try discovery future weapon's dragonskin.
I believed they even tried specially made bullets with special weighted grain.
deestilo 9 months ago
@deestilo yeah they even fragged it but no penetration :O
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I remember hearing about this in an Army newspaper when i was in Iraq. Light, flexible, and tougher than current armor plates. So good that Generals, SF, and Blackwater were wearing it. So i was excited.
Then i read how it failed some test and wont be reaching us. And later the newspaper reported how obscene some of these test were. They did their best to make it fail. Maybe they did this bc they dont it falling apart under super extreme conditions or b/c investors of the war would loose money
grove12345 9 months ago
I remember hearing about this in an Army newspaper when i was in Iraq. Light, flexible, and tougher than current armor plates. So good that Generals, SF, and Blackwater were wearing it. So i was excited.
Then i read how it failed some test and wont be reaching us. And later the newspaper reported how obscene some of these test were. They did their best to make it fail. Maybe they did this bc they dont it falling apart under super extreme conditions or b/c investors of the war would loose monet
grove12345 9 months ago
@grove12345 Just means that the vest isnt suitable for the army - civilian use should still be considered on the cards if the vest is legit.
TheLastMatic 9 months ago
Dragon skin sucks. It only passed because the vest was given directly by the owner of the company. It was probably specially made for this test.
TheAnderson799 9 months ago
@TheAnderson799
Is that why SWAT teams use it? You're an idiot. Please leave.
roji556 9 months ago
EVERY 1 SHOULD KNOW AND A VERY FAR DISTANCE BULLETS COME WITH MORE POWER, I WONDER IF THEY TRY TO TEST THIS WHITH A SNIPER RIFLE FROM A LONG THIS DISTANCE SOMETHING LIKE 600 YARDS.IS ANY 1 KNOW. I RELLY HOPE THE BEST FOR AMERICA.GREAT NATION.
jesuselmexicanarts 9 months ago
@jesuselmexicanarts bullets lose power the farther the distance, and sniper rifle? why don't you say high caliber rifle or high velocity ammunition, at 600 yards, the bullet would have lost a good chunk of its kinetic power therefore its penetrating power as well
Doober987 9 months ago
25 terrorists watch this video... :)
kaynie143 9 months ago