In the UK conspiracy to commit a breach of the peace was brought in during the late 80's early 90's rave culture to stop them from partying.... pre-crime is nothing new clearly
Funny thing is though, that although there were a lot of sheeple bleeting in approval at the wedding, I think the vast silent majority (70%?) didn't give a shit about it. I asked my work mates if any of them watched it on tv and not one person had done so. I did all I could to avoid the whole thing. It was just a big propaganda show to enforce the idea of royalty being above us peasants and a large number of sheep lapped it up!
hi ur right about it being a pr event but it more than that it was reaffirmation by the royal family that the are here to stay and have REAL political power, The reason people were arrestedf for thought crime is stop decent at this project, the british have established a police state and its sets the parameters of the debate, the musilms were allowed to say what they want as it gives the police etc more powers, then go after the real threats etc
WACK-O! Anarchist are ass holes, nothing more. Fuck off. HAS ONE said anything of intelligence or of importance? No. They just want to piss on a wedding.
They don't have a monarchy, you have a Unitary Parliamentary Democracy & TOURIST ATTRACTION LIKE DISNEYLAND. If it wasn't for the idiot Royals, tourist wouldn't go to your crap London, spend money to pay for your WELFARE! With out the tourist attraction (The palace, guards) there is just bad food and rainy weather. Fuck you limey anarchist.
@gmcjetpilot we don't have democracy! all 3 main party's have the same agenda's on the issue's that are really important, AND we don't pick who's gonna run the country, THEY put forward a small handful people we choose from, our government has stopped listening to the people in this country, election promises broken all the time, paying of bank debt's that are nothing to do with the average person, when the system stops working for us why should we work for the system?
You officially have a parliamentary system, prime minister (head of government), Legislative--bicameral Parliament: House of Commons with a "constitutional monarchy" (head of state). I feel your pain. I'm worried about UK. You have a BIG Muslim problem. Liberal leaders appease islam. You allow sharia courts and muslims spewing sedition and treason crap all the time with impunity. The problem is you don't have documents like USA, Bill of Rights and Constitutional freedom of speech.
@gmcjetpilot also our so called monarchy does nothing but cream off the top! fk the tourists, couldnt give shit wether they visit london or not the place is a shithole like most city's are, IF our queen etc wanted to do something helpful they would stop letting our government use the british armed forces to cause havoc an death round the world, they ALL still swear allegiance to the queen, not the piss poor assholes we have for politicians
I can't totally disagree, but you're overly emotional, dramatic, exaggerating, using hyperbole. A figure head of state & class system is silly to Americans, since we kicked the limeys out over 230 yrs ago. As far as military, F the Arabs & Muslims. Fly planes into buildings, blow up buses, trains SHIT HAPPENS. You plot to kill us, we track u down & kill you and any one who helped or is standing near you with extreme prejudice. All politicians are pussy's, especially ones appeasing Islam.
The government MUST know who you are and where you live. It's crucial in order to track down criminals. We still have privacy, it's not like the government watches our every step.
Mock executions & street theatre isn't a crime and clearly by my being arrested in a Mystic Meg, crystal ball prediction style, paranoid police arrest seen in this footage, I am clearly doing nothing wrong other than wearing a fancy dress costume which also isn't a crime, at a later date I fully intend to bring a legal action against the Metropolitan police. I am not a subject, but a citizen of the UK and I have the right to dress how I like, when I like and to assemble with whom I like. NAMASTE
Human rights are simolar to the US consitusuions. it is a human right to free speach more or less i could use the termanology for it but thats stupidly worded.
there is away around issues over here if you are a Citazen of something you are giving up your rights by going under maratine law (law of the sea) on land you should be under common law. but for this you must NOt be a citazen because that means you are under a citazenSHIP.
Bullshit! We have freedom of speech in the UK. We don't bleep over swear words on TV either. We can say "Fuck!", "Piss!", "Wanker!" (literally a masturbater) without a 'bleep' over them. Can you do that in the US? I don't know for sure but it would seem so.
@TMSH90 Tell me, what was offensive in my comment regarding hope? I believe you have mood issues aggregating your miss-conception of others internet-comments. You'd better take it easy, buddy!
@TMSH90 Which bit do you think I'm joking about. The thing that annoyed me about this video was the implication that Britain doesn't have freedom of speech. As if we live in a dictatorship.
@marcluc1988 Not really. Try saying that in front of a policeman, and he'll arrest you for "Breaching the peace" or "Inciting violence". I do agree that we're slightly better than the US though...
@CannabisPhilosopher Well, I'm not very 'up' on the pre-wedding arrests although I know there were some and I'll take your word for the 100 or so figure.
My question would be: WHY were they arrested? Did they have previous convictions for terrorist acts or did they just express a deep dislike for the monarchy? etc.
This is the video showing how Charlie was arrested.
watch?v=UscFYYCKOxg
And this is the one from the other fella.
watch?v=8eITZ-Rsc14&feature=related
Activists who want to speak their mind. Free speech my ass.
And if you don't know anything about them, I know Charlie has been arrested numerous times for speaking his mind and they were never able to charge him for anything afaik. It's simply harassment to try and discourage ppl like him to speak his mind about things that matter.
I think they were both basically arrested for conspiring to speak their mind (or as they like to call it "cause public nuisance"), which is so Orwellian it's making me sick.
If they have anything more on them i'd like to know, but apparently they don't.
Speaking your mind apparently is not allowed when it's about certain topics.
There's a man in my country who threw a candle holder at the golden carriage that cunt of a queen of us uses to ride in on special occasions, and he's been locked up ever since... it's been more then 6 months now.
Normally behavior like that would result in a few days in jail at most, but when it's about the royal family all of the sudden you are being treated the way real criminals would be treated.
There are rapists and out there that got less jailtime.
@marcluc1988 that has nothing to do with freedom of speech. freedom to express what many may find insulting or against their religion, whatever. its not about swearing on TV. to say fuck on TV is nothing compared to being able to give information to others without being harassed or imprisoned. your point is a trivial one.
i think we are fucked basically. i have been following all this for tens years and its just gone way beyond anything i thought was wacky back then! perhaps it isnt too late? but what can we do about all this.
somebody did just beat the shit out of someone from the westboro baptist church. all sorts of cheers in facebook comments about it. i had to stand up and be the sole voice saying violence is never justified in response to speech.
@Neeboopsh While in general I'd agree, what about those instances where someone uses the right to free speech not just as a defense to publicize their speech, but to interfere? In the case of the WBC there are their pickets of funerals which got so bad that groups of bikers had to create walls of noise to shelter grieving families from those fundamentalists hurling abuse at them. Where is the right to not having to hear that speech, and have a peaceful, quiet funeral?
@garouHH comes with the territory. To allow yourself the right to tell others things they dont want to hear, you may at some point be put in a similar position. id go to the funerals of these fundy's and explain they are going to hell because they cast stones. let them know how it feels. or if you want you can just let the government decide what is acceptable speech for everyone. free to say whatever you like within strict government guidelines,
@rsolgtp That is pretty much why I believe that the right to free speech does or should not include the right to force others to hear what you say. Two wrongs don't make one right, and ruining their funeral doesn't retroactively restore yours. By extension I do believe that in this case the rights given to the WBC go too far.
@garouHH interesting. you want people to say whatever they like, just not to you. You want the right to not hear someone speak. What is this right to "force" people to listen?
You can ignore protesters just the same as advertisers. thats your choice. however when you say you dont even want to hear it, never mind listen. well, turn off the TV and dont leave your home. that's how you exercise that right.. you dont own the air. we all do.
@rsolgtp The crux of this indeed lies in "who owns the air". In the case of WBCs standing at some random street and spewing their hate, I wouldn't mind; that's the public sphere where no one is forced to be or stay at that specific spot. In the case of the funeral, however, that spot is, at least for the moment, a private function. Disturbing that is an act of intruding into the private sphere, as such "protesters" can *not* be ignored. They are there, they are loud. And they cross the line.
@garouHH i agree whole heartedly. they crossed the line. you are morally correct in my book. if you stick law and precedent in there. thats when it gets messy. just shoving one group away gives right to a whole new level of excuses. they do have the right to be there, however it doesn't make them right. to agree with freedom of speech is always about the people you cant stand. the danger of care. racists and bigots cant talk their crap all they like. its not like i want them to hide it.
yeah, its mental. when i heard about echelon i thought about the scope of where that would be in 10 years. the funniest video i have seen about this topic is the onion's video about the cia's operation facebook. "we built the site and people just volunteer all kinds of information. really streamlines the process" or something to that affect. totally hilarious :)
Pussies, let Jones do what the fuck he wants. Fuck off. If a bunch of Islamotards get mad some old man wants to burn their copy of Lord of the Rings, they can go on some Jesus, oops... MOOOOOhammad rampage. Hopefully it'll help kill off their medieval mindset quicker.
@chrispollock So they are stifling their free speech. People can say things however they want unless they are interfering on private property. The Royals have made their money largely off the back of the People. They are a giant welfare family that can do w/e the fuck they want.
Just because you wanna fuck Prince William doesn't mean that human rights should be suspended. This is also an issue of privacy in one's home AND in public.
In the UK conspiracy to commit a breach of the peace was brought in during the late 80's early 90's rave culture to stop them from partying.... pre-crime is nothing new clearly
MrTakijiro 1 month ago
Funny thing is though, that although there were a lot of sheeple bleeting in approval at the wedding, I think the vast silent majority (70%?) didn't give a shit about it. I asked my work mates if any of them watched it on tv and not one person had done so. I did all I could to avoid the whole thing. It was just a big propaganda show to enforce the idea of royalty being above us peasants and a large number of sheep lapped it up!
RuudVanDrijver 8 months ago
mrigh'?
Just funny the way you say it :) Also, completely agree with what you are saying.
Aleisdee 9 months ago
great vid
punkassrocky666 9 months ago
great thoughts men...agree 100%.
A big and warm hug from Portugal
streetwarrior31 9 months ago
nice vid man, faved
JustBrianMusic 9 months ago
awesome insight, thank you brother.
TZMchapterKiel 10 months ago
by the way i am in england was replused by the wedding, its statments its hypocracy
Mulberry2000 10 months ago
hi ur right about it being a pr event but it more than that it was reaffirmation by the royal family that the are here to stay and have REAL political power, The reason people were arrestedf for thought crime is stop decent at this project, the british have established a police state and its sets the parameters of the debate, the musilms were allowed to say what they want as it gives the police etc more powers, then go after the real threats etc
Mulberry2000 10 months ago
The government etc are just scared that people protesting will expose what is really going on.
tuffvibes1972 10 months ago
WACK-O! Anarchist are ass holes, nothing more. Fuck off. HAS ONE said anything of intelligence or of importance? No. They just want to piss on a wedding.
They don't have a monarchy, you have a Unitary Parliamentary Democracy & TOURIST ATTRACTION LIKE DISNEYLAND. If it wasn't for the idiot Royals, tourist wouldn't go to your crap London, spend money to pay for your WELFARE! With out the tourist attraction (The palace, guards) there is just bad food and rainy weather. Fuck you limey anarchist.
gmcjetpilot 10 months ago
@gmcjetpilot we don't have democracy! all 3 main party's have the same agenda's on the issue's that are really important, AND we don't pick who's gonna run the country, THEY put forward a small handful people we choose from, our government has stopped listening to the people in this country, election promises broken all the time, paying of bank debt's that are nothing to do with the average person, when the system stops working for us why should we work for the system?
annoyedashell1 10 months ago
@annoyedashel
You officially have a parliamentary system, prime minister (head of government), Legislative--bicameral Parliament: House of Commons with a "constitutional monarchy" (head of state). I feel your pain. I'm worried about UK. You have a BIG Muslim problem. Liberal leaders appease islam. You allow sharia courts and muslims spewing sedition and treason crap all the time with impunity. The problem is you don't have documents like USA, Bill of Rights and Constitutional freedom of speech.
gmcjetpilot 10 months ago
@annoyedashell1
Bottom line mocking a Royal wedding is pointless and childish.
gmcjetpilot 10 months ago
@gmcjetpilot also our so called monarchy does nothing but cream off the top! fk the tourists, couldnt give shit wether they visit london or not the place is a shithole like most city's are, IF our queen etc wanted to do something helpful they would stop letting our government use the british armed forces to cause havoc an death round the world, they ALL still swear allegiance to the queen, not the piss poor assholes we have for politicians
annoyedashell1 10 months ago
@annoy
I can't totally disagree, but you're overly emotional, dramatic, exaggerating, using hyperbole. A figure head of state & class system is silly to Americans, since we kicked the limeys out over 230 yrs ago. As far as military, F the Arabs & Muslims. Fly planes into buildings, blow up buses, trains SHIT HAPPENS. You plot to kill us, we track u down & kill you and any one who helped or is standing near you with extreme prejudice. All politicians are pussy's, especially ones appeasing Islam.
gmcjetpilot 10 months ago
facial recognition software has been around for decades... you predicted shit.
What is the problem... YOU break the law you get arrested! GOOD!
gmcjetpilot 10 months ago
I didn't get no money from wedding our taxes paid for it and what the fuck did we get
n2488 10 months ago
The government MUST know who you are and where you live. It's crucial in order to track down criminals. We still have privacy, it's not like the government watches our every step.
DylanofMD 10 months ago
well said!
panam77 10 months ago
So you have one ass who doesn't like this video. How can you dislike a guy who is telling you about technology? Fuckin Moron
AaronCountee 10 months ago
Mock executions & street theatre isn't a crime and clearly by my being arrested in a Mystic Meg, crystal ball prediction style, paranoid police arrest seen in this footage, I am clearly doing nothing wrong other than wearing a fancy dress costume which also isn't a crime, at a later date I fully intend to bring a legal action against the Metropolitan police. I am not a subject, but a citizen of the UK and I have the right to dress how I like, when I like and to assemble with whom I like. NAMASTE
EastendRudie69 10 months ago
Human rights are simolar to the US consitusuions. it is a human right to free speach more or less i could use the termanology for it but thats stupidly worded.
there is away around issues over here if you are a Citazen of something you are giving up your rights by going under maratine law (law of the sea) on land you should be under common law. but for this you must NOt be a citazen because that means you are under a citazenSHIP.
BlackfoxKitsune 10 months ago
This is good news, we'll be soooo safe! (I'll subscribe!)
JohannesAarmo 10 months ago
You sound like a typical conspiracy theorist. "This is going on but they're keeping it away from you."
marcluc1988 10 months ago
@marcluc1988 mee mee
szalam555 10 months ago
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szalam555 10 months ago
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@marcluc1988 yeah and chemitrails are just vapor LMAO
szalam555 10 months ago
Bullshit! We have freedom of speech in the UK. We don't bleep over swear words on TV either. We can say "Fuck!", "Piss!", "Wanker!" (literally a masturbater) without a 'bleep' over them. Can you do that in the US? I don't know for sure but it would seem so.
marcluc1988 10 months ago
@marcluc1988 i hope u are joking
TMSH90 10 months ago
@TMSH90 You can hope, but it won't help!
JohannesAarmo 10 months ago
@JohannesAarmo if this is freedom of speech for u then i feel sorry for u,u dont know what freedom means because u never had it,peace slave
TMSH90 10 months ago
@TMSH90 Tell me, what was offensive in my comment regarding hope? I believe you have mood issues aggregating your miss-conception of others internet-comments. You'd better take it easy, buddy!
JohannesAarmo 10 months ago
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@JohannesAarmo for 2nd time, i thought u were the same guy....
TMSH90 10 months ago
@JohannesAarmo i thought u were the same guy....
TMSH90 10 months ago
@TMSH90 Which bit do you think I'm joking about. The thing that annoyed me about this video was the implication that Britain doesn't have freedom of speech. As if we live in a dictatorship.
marcluc1988 10 months ago
@marcluc1988 Not really. Try saying that in front of a policeman, and he'll arrest you for "Breaching the peace" or "Inciting violence". I do agree that we're slightly better than the US though...
GriffinNary 10 months ago
@marcluc1988
Omg dude people were arrested beforehand for conspiring to speak their mind on the wedding day.
How is that freedom of speech.
Of course you think you are free when you never cross the line far enough to be a threat for them.
Try crossing the line and see how free you really are. Plenty of examples at the moment in the UK, near 100 ppl arrested afaik. Freedom lol.
You're free to do as you're told.
You're free to not rock the boat.
CannabisPhilosopher 10 months ago 2
@CannabisPhilosopher Well, I'm not very 'up' on the pre-wedding arrests although I know there were some and I'll take your word for the 100 or so figure.
My question would be: WHY were they arrested? Did they have previous convictions for terrorist acts or did they just express a deep dislike for the monarchy? etc.
marcluc1988 10 months ago
@marcluc1988
Well I don't know if 100 is accurate but that's something I read somewhere.
I do know at least 2 people were arrested beforehand though(as they filmed the arrests, that's proof isn't it lol).
Google "royal wedding purge 2011" to see charlie veitch his arrest, and there was another fella who got arrested whose name I can't remember.
Why were they arrested? No idea.
Did they have a good reason to? Apparently not as they were released without charges.
CannabisPhilosopher 10 months ago
@marcluc1988
This is the video showing how Charlie was arrested.
watch?v=UscFYYCKOxg
And this is the one from the other fella.
watch?v=8eITZ-Rsc14&feature=related
Activists who want to speak their mind. Free speech my ass.
And if you don't know anything about them, I know Charlie has been arrested numerous times for speaking his mind and they were never able to charge him for anything afaik. It's simply harassment to try and discourage ppl like him to speak his mind about things that matter.
CannabisPhilosopher 10 months ago
@CannabisPhilosopher Can you give us some information about what happened to those arrested?
marcluc1988 10 months ago
@marcluc1988
I think they were both basically arrested for conspiring to speak their mind (or as they like to call it "cause public nuisance"), which is so Orwellian it's making me sick.
If they have anything more on them i'd like to know, but apparently they don't.
Speaking your mind apparently is not allowed when it's about certain topics.
CannabisPhilosopher 10 months ago
@marcluc1988
And it's not only the UK.
There's a man in my country who threw a candle holder at the golden carriage that cunt of a queen of us uses to ride in on special occasions, and he's been locked up ever since... it's been more then 6 months now.
Normally behavior like that would result in a few days in jail at most, but when it's about the royal family all of the sudden you are being treated the way real criminals would be treated.
There are rapists and out there that got less jailtime.
CannabisPhilosopher 10 months ago
@marcluc1988 that has nothing to do with freedom of speech. freedom to express what many may find insulting or against their religion, whatever. its not about swearing on TV. to say fuck on TV is nothing compared to being able to give information to others without being harassed or imprisoned. your point is a trivial one.
rsolgtp 10 months ago
i think we are fucked basically. i have been following all this for tens years and its just gone way beyond anything i thought was wacky back then! perhaps it isnt too late? but what can we do about all this.
PrincessMoonFeathers 10 months ago
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somebody did just beat the shit out of someone from the westboro baptist church. all sorts of cheers in facebook comments about it. i had to stand up and be the sole voice saying violence is never justified in response to speech.
Neeboopsh 10 months ago
@Neeboopsh While in general I'd agree, what about those instances where someone uses the right to free speech not just as a defense to publicize their speech, but to interfere? In the case of the WBC there are their pickets of funerals which got so bad that groups of bikers had to create walls of noise to shelter grieving families from those fundamentalists hurling abuse at them. Where is the right to not having to hear that speech, and have a peaceful, quiet funeral?
garouHH 10 months ago
@garouHH comes with the territory. To allow yourself the right to tell others things they dont want to hear, you may at some point be put in a similar position. id go to the funerals of these fundy's and explain they are going to hell because they cast stones. let them know how it feels. or if you want you can just let the government decide what is acceptable speech for everyone. free to say whatever you like within strict government guidelines,
rsolgtp 10 months ago
@rsolgtp That is pretty much why I believe that the right to free speech does or should not include the right to force others to hear what you say. Two wrongs don't make one right, and ruining their funeral doesn't retroactively restore yours. By extension I do believe that in this case the rights given to the WBC go too far.
garouHH 10 months ago
@garouHH interesting. you want people to say whatever they like, just not to you. You want the right to not hear someone speak. What is this right to "force" people to listen?
You can ignore protesters just the same as advertisers. thats your choice. however when you say you dont even want to hear it, never mind listen. well, turn off the TV and dont leave your home. that's how you exercise that right.. you dont own the air. we all do.
rsolgtp 10 months ago
@rsolgtp The crux of this indeed lies in "who owns the air". In the case of WBCs standing at some random street and spewing their hate, I wouldn't mind; that's the public sphere where no one is forced to be or stay at that specific spot. In the case of the funeral, however, that spot is, at least for the moment, a private function. Disturbing that is an act of intruding into the private sphere, as such "protesters" can *not* be ignored. They are there, they are loud. And they cross the line.
garouHH 10 months ago
@garouHH i agree whole heartedly. they crossed the line. you are morally correct in my book. if you stick law and precedent in there. thats when it gets messy. just shoving one group away gives right to a whole new level of excuses. they do have the right to be there, however it doesn't make them right. to agree with freedom of speech is always about the people you cant stand. the danger of care. racists and bigots cant talk their crap all they like. its not like i want them to hide it.
rsolgtp 10 months ago
Yes, I have a cellphone now. But I've never been so unaccesable in my life.
wimscheers 10 months ago
yeah, its mental. when i heard about echelon i thought about the scope of where that would be in 10 years. the funniest video i have seen about this topic is the onion's video about the cia's operation facebook. "we built the site and people just volunteer all kinds of information. really streamlines the process" or something to that affect. totally hilarious :)
Neeboopsh 10 months ago
Great video man.
graphattic 10 months ago
never got my face booked
2ndSTARMAN 10 months ago
Fuckin Minority Report bullshit maaaaan! I'm freaking out maaaaan!
MarkArandjus 10 months ago
Great video, brought up many good points. Thank you!
InForTheeRide 10 months ago
Pussies, let Jones do what the fuck he wants. Fuck off. If a bunch of Islamotards get mad some old man wants to burn their copy of Lord of the Rings, they can go on some Jesus, oops... MOOOOOhammad rampage. Hopefully it'll help kill off their medieval mindset quicker.
hotfudgemoney 10 months ago
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chrispollock 10 months ago
@chrispollock So they are stifling their free speech. People can say things however they want unless they are interfering on private property. The Royals have made their money largely off the back of the People. They are a giant welfare family that can do w/e the fuck they want.
Just because you wanna fuck Prince William doesn't mean that human rights should be suspended. This is also an issue of privacy in one's home AND in public.
AshillaBeige 10 months ago