yeah i agree. have u read peter fitzsimons version of kokoda. he only fully describes 2 battles of the kokoda campaign and skips some really important ones, such as oivi-gorari, milne bay and sanandaa. his style of making up convos i find a bit annoying too. otherwise the book wasnt bad.
@chazzalinko Yes , well about half any way of peter fitzsimons book ,I found it a bit to slow cause I felt he went to much into things and ppl's personal lifes like General Blamey who he sleep with and about hes drinking and so on as I remember it went on for about two pages or so,I also felt there was a lot padding like as you said making up simple convos instead of things that really mattered.
@chazzalinko there's another great book called Infinite sorrow by Craig Collie &Hajime Marutani, It's about the Japanese view of advents in PNG
something I found interesting was the veteran Japanese view of Aussie troops after facing American,chinese and others,that they regarded Australian's as the best Reason I found it interesting cause many of them faced us for the first time on Kokoda when this statement was said which means they basically face our mililtia not our AIF.
cool, thanks, the book sounds really good. i always wondered what the japanese thought of us. sorry bout the typo before, accidentally posted the same comment twice.
thanks. where did u get your info from? i got mine all from the book Kokoda by Paul Ham, describes everysingle battle in extreme detail and is completely unbiased. tells the story from everyone's point of view, including the japanese. its a great book
@chazzalinko If there a book on kokoda then paul ham is ur man ,I read at least 4 books on kokoda and paul ham tells it all as it was yes some Aussie's and yank's mite be shocked at the loss and how Australia was left so alone at the time by the U.S and Great Britainn at the time but its the story that gotta be told.
If theres a book you want to read on the pacific war its gotta be paul ham, kokdoda .
i agree. have u read peter fitzsimons book of kokoda? he only fully describes 2 battles, and completely skips some really important battles (like oivi-gorari, sanandaa and milne bay). his style of making up conversations i find a bit annoying, too. otherwise, the book was okay.
the battle of sanandaa is commonly described by the soldiers who fought in it as the worst battle of the campaign. conditions there were actually unbelievable. almost 100% casualty rates if you included diseases.
My father was biscuit bombing supplies to the Buna Gona campaigns . He was 1 squadron RAAF .I still have a Japanese bayonet he swapped for a spam sandwich .He traded it from a wounded American soldier as he was air evacuated . The American soldier said sorry cause he got the better end of the deal . A sandwich .
Battle of Buna, Gona, 1st US military land victory in Pacfic, 1st jungle warfare and very costly;overshadowed by Guadalcanal .My respects to US Army's 32nd ID, who was slated to go to Europe, all of a sudden, thrown in the jungles of New Guinea. My complements to US Army 41st ID, "jungleers".
@HDNighster1 My grandapa was in the 32nd 127th infantry company K. He told me all about Buna, Gona, Sananada, etc. He won 2 Bronze Stars, one with a V, and was put in for the Distinguished Service Cross. He died March 25th 2011
The US troops were reluctant to fight at Buna and the victorious Australians from Gona were sent in along with Aust tanks. An American veteran who was there told me, "We didn't know how to fire our weapons, the Aussies had to show us, and, we were too scared to go into the jungle, the Australians had to go in before us." He told me this in 1974 in front of his nephew who was then a serving member of the US Army.
@blueycarlton An opinion from one person does not reflect the reality. US 32nd ID along with regiment of 41st ID with US 5th Air Corps fought in Buna Gona. ANZACs were there as well, but primarily in the Kokoda Trail and Milne Bay battles. Buna Gona was the first major campaign for US in jungle warfare. 32nd was trained and slated to go to Europe. At the last minute, they were thrown into New Guinea.
From "Kokoda" by Peter Fitzsimmons " Gona had been a long a brutal and bloody fight, but even then the Australians were far from done. By 18 December, McArthur got what he deserved, which was the humiliation of asking for help from the Australian Army and senior officers he had criticised, ridiculed, and indirectly sacked. By this time it was clear that the Americans couldn't on their own capture Buna-
"...Buna- the Japanese holdout that they were supposed to take, the place where they were going to show the Australians how it was done.They retained a masterly inactivity, and at MacArthur's humble request, it was the Australian 18th brigade, the heroes of Milne Bay, who, with the survivors of the 39th, began to move on Buna to save the day."
MacArthur belitted his Allies, the Australians, his press releases reffered to an Allied victory when it should have read an Australian victory, but when it was an American victory it was an American victory. Don't always believe the US biased history of the Pacific war. The Aussies were first to defeat the Japs on land at Milne Bay, Kokoda Track and Gona all before capture of Guadalcanal.
@blueycarlton You are partially correct. Ballte for Milne bay was heavily supported by US Army artillery. Yes it was the first US/allied land victory before Guadalcanal and Buna.
yes, Buna was an American victory, 6 month campaign which began before Guadalcanal, led by US. certainly, 32nd ID which was not trained for jungle warfare had their hands full. But with time, US Soldiers overcame their weakness and nature and victorious. Thanks to LTG Eikelberger.
@HDNighster1 We all agree that the Allies won ... but there wasn't any US Artillery Units at Milne Bay - there was an Engineer Unit there and their 50 calibre MGs came in real handy in the 3 Japanese assaults on Airstrip 3 but they were part a larger fire plan.
At the end of the day the US took the Buna Station but that could not have been done until the AIF cleared the left and right flanks .The AIF finished them at Sanananda. The 32nd went on to greater glory.
your facts are largely correct but they are a bit biased towards the americans. where did you get them from? there were hardly any americans at milne bay, only engineers in the back lines (the battle was described as an 'allied' victory). milne bay was an australian victory. at buna the americans soldiers refused to fight and sat down on the ground doing nothing, and the australians had to be called into the battle to help them. you should read Kokoda by paul ham to get full facts
My grandfather was a young surgeon in New Guinea. Christmas Eve dinner, 1992, was the only time he ever shared any experiences from his service. He told me, '50 years ago today, I was working in a medical tent with 6 other doctors, in addition to nurses. That night, we had 700 casualties come in.'
@otacon451 I read a story of a US army surgeon having heart failure (and died on duty) due to exhaustion around that time in '42 at Buna, apparently the docs & medics were going round the clock for days, all with dysentery and malaria - from your your Granddads account it is easy how this happened - Lest we forget
I am trying to find out as much as I can about a relative that was killed on the 24th December whilst fighting as part of the 2/10. Do you know where I might start?
@SuperPhantomBiker For about $25 you can get the relatives army records in total via the national archives web site (you just need the service number name etc - of which can be found at the AWM web site on the nominal roll). His army file should have some good leads, i.e. company, platoon etc, info on wounds, where buried, sometimes correspondence from relatives - next go the AWM war diaries (all on-line) to work out where the companies/platoon level operations in relation to the date....
@SuperPhantomBiker ...PART 2 -try also the unit history (can find at AWM or some RSLs) - the RSL might help with remaining members of the 2/10 association-unit returns can give up something about individuals also-AWM has a stack of material (written/audio - try a search of the collections at the website to scope out what could be held).Some unit war diary stuff was written in the field and can be a challenge to decipher(e.g. 2/9th's).Goodluck.
@nosred88 my pleasure mate. What the 2/9th did on the 18 December was truly inspiring. The guy at 6.35 pictured as a Sgt earlier in the war, was C Company commander. As he led his men forward he sustained those injuries from machine fire. George Silk, the photographer on scene, later wrote that he was greatly disturbed by what he saw that day. They must have been a great crew, to keep going until the objectives were taken.
' ... and the ninth went in where others dared to go'.
For those interested, you must read "A Bastard of a place" by Peter Brune. It covers all of the AIF operations in New Guinea with some personal accounts from privates to generals. Based on sheer courage under fire, no other army could match the AIF.
@virgoattitude Totally agree. Thomas Blamey & Douglas MacArthur were just glory hunters and had no idea of the conditions the battles took place under. Neither deserve the respect of being called General. sorry I respected both before reading "A Bastard of a Place".
Some might wonder why there wasn't much footage of the AIF in New Guinea. Much film perished in the humid conditions, and when the fighting became desperate our cameramen ditched their equipment to either help the wounded or join in the fight. Some footage and photos remain unseen to this day as the government deemed it to be too graphic for the general public to view. Whether the media still exists is unknown.
my grandfather told me his older brother died fighting in WWII later he told my mom he died fighting in new guinea and his name i would like to know more but i'm hesitant to ask his other brother fought nazis in italy
@mike8219 Do it. As the older ones pass on, first hand accounts will pass into history and then eventually into folklore - it will be then harder to verify etc. It is important that what happened in New Guinea and in the axis of advance up to the Phillipines/Borneo is remembered - just as worthy as the central pacific fighting.
My father served in the RedArrow he said it was the toughest fight nothing to look back on allways forward ....... you are alive be thankfull........ we got the butcher of Malaya General Tomoyuki Yamashita and the sword is on display in Whisconson,
It was my pleasure putting this up, I don't know my US Army history too well but I think the red arrow spent more time in line than any US Army Division, they were hit hard, adapted and bounced back, my old man was in the RAAF in New Guinea and always thought fondly of the Yanks
My father served in the 32nd Red Arrow ...the Division that keeps on givin' from WWI to WWII Hind. Line to the capture of General Tomoyuki Yamashita I am proud of all the men and boys who became men after the War in the Pacific...........Thank you for posting this video.
Excellent compilation. My grandmother's brother was killed at Sanananda on 7 December '42 defending Australia from Japanese cowards. "Lest we forget."
no worries :)
tyrantbad 1 week ago
yeah i agree. have u read peter fitzsimons version of kokoda. he only fully describes 2 battles of the kokoda campaign and skips some really important ones, such as oivi-gorari, milne bay and sanandaa. his style of making up convos i find a bit annoying too. otherwise the book wasnt bad.
chazzalinko 2 weeks ago
@chazzalinko Yes , well about half any way of peter fitzsimons book ,I found it a bit to slow cause I felt he went to much into things and ppl's personal lifes like General Blamey who he sleep with and about hes drinking and so on as I remember it went on for about two pages or so,I also felt there was a lot padding like as you said making up simple convos instead of things that really mattered.
tyrantbad 2 weeks ago
@chazzalinko there's another great book called Infinite sorrow by Craig Collie &Hajime Marutani, It's about the Japanese view of advents in PNG
something I found interesting was the veteran Japanese view of Aussie troops after facing American,chinese and others,that they regarded Australian's as the best Reason I found it interesting cause many of them faced us for the first time on Kokoda when this statement was said which means they basically face our mililtia not our AIF.
tyrantbad 2 weeks ago
@tyrantbad
cool, thanks, the book sounds really good. i always wondered what the japanese thought of us. sorry bout the typo before, accidentally posted the same comment twice.
thx for that.
chazzalinko 1 week ago
@chazzalinko np
tyrantbad 1 week ago
great tribute ,great music and footage a job well done cheers from Sydney.
tyrantbad 2 weeks ago
@tyrantbad Ta mate
lizardfisher03 2 weeks ago
thanks. where did u get your info from? i got mine all from the book Kokoda by Paul Ham, describes everysingle battle in extreme detail and is completely unbiased. tells the story from everyone's point of view, including the japanese. its a great book
chazzalinko 2 weeks ago
@chazzalinko If there a book on kokoda then paul ham is ur man ,I read at least 4 books on kokoda and paul ham tells it all as it was yes some Aussie's and yank's mite be shocked at the loss and how Australia was left so alone at the time by the U.S and Great Britainn at the time but its the story that gotta be told.
If theres a book you want to read on the pacific war its gotta be paul ham, kokdoda .
tyrantbad 2 weeks ago
@tyrantbad
i agree. have u read peter fitzsimons book of kokoda? he only fully describes 2 battles, and completely skips some really important battles (like oivi-gorari, sanandaa and milne bay). his style of making up conversations i find a bit annoying, too. otherwise, the book was okay.
chazzalinko 2 weeks ago
the battle of sanandaa is commonly described by the soldiers who fought in it as the worst battle of the campaign. conditions there were actually unbelievable. almost 100% casualty rates if you included diseases.
ChraxVideos 2 weeks ago
Uncle Jack passed away in 19997. He served in Buna campaign and in N. Luzon. He refused to speak about Buna.
IanHunedoara8 1 month ago
My father was biscuit bombing supplies to the Buna Gona campaigns . He was 1 squadron RAAF .I still have a Japanese bayonet he swapped for a spam sandwich .He traded it from a wounded American soldier as he was air evacuated . The American soldier said sorry cause he got the better end of the deal . A sandwich .
peterm3964 1 month ago
I have about 100 or 2 photo's of my pappy.Hayward Boys.
oakland420420 3 months ago
My dad spent time there too. 11th Field Artillery. Before that he survived Pearl Harbor....He passed in 2003. RIP Pappy...
BucksOwin 4 months ago 3
@BucksOwin God bless
lizardfisher03 4 months ago
Battle of Buna, Gona, 1st US military land victory in Pacfic, 1st jungle warfare and very costly;overshadowed by Guadalcanal .My respects to US Army's 32nd ID, who was slated to go to Europe, all of a sudden, thrown in the jungles of New Guinea. My complements to US Army 41st ID, "jungleers".
HDNighster1 4 months ago
@HDNighster1 My grandapa was in the 32nd 127th infantry company K. He told me all about Buna, Gona, Sananada, etc. He won 2 Bronze Stars, one with a V, and was put in for the Distinguished Service Cross. He died March 25th 2011
2881Derek 1 month ago 2
@2881Derek My complements to your grandpa for his service. There are only a few left of US Soldiers from New Guinea campaign.
HDNighster1 1 month ago
@2881Derek Thanks
lizardfisher03 4 weeks ago
@HDNighster1
Gona was an all Australian victory.
The US troops were reluctant to fight at Buna and the victorious Australians from Gona were sent in along with Aust tanks. An American veteran who was there told me, "We didn't know how to fire our weapons, the Aussies had to show us, and, we were too scared to go into the jungle, the Australians had to go in before us." He told me this in 1974 in front of his nephew who was then a serving member of the US Army.
blueycarlton 1 month ago
@blueycarlton An opinion from one person does not reflect the reality. US 32nd ID along with regiment of 41st ID with US 5th Air Corps fought in Buna Gona. ANZACs were there as well, but primarily in the Kokoda Trail and Milne Bay battles. Buna Gona was the first major campaign for US in jungle warfare. 32nd was trained and slated to go to Europe. At the last minute, they were thrown into New Guinea.
HDNighster1 1 month ago
@HDNighster1
Part 1
From "Kokoda" by Peter Fitzsimmons " Gona had been a long a brutal and bloody fight, but even then the Australians were far from done. By 18 December, McArthur got what he deserved, which was the humiliation of asking for help from the Australian Army and senior officers he had criticised, ridiculed, and indirectly sacked. By this time it was clear that the Americans couldn't on their own capture Buna-
blueycarlton 1 month ago
@HDNighster1
Part 2
From "Kokoda" by Peter Fitzsimmons
"...Buna- the Japanese holdout that they were supposed to take, the place where they were going to show the Australians how it was done.They retained a masterly inactivity, and at MacArthur's humble request, it was the Australian 18th brigade, the heroes of Milne Bay, who, with the survivors of the 39th, began to move on Buna to save the day."
blueycarlton 1 month ago
@HDNighster1
Part 3
MacArthur belitted his Allies, the Australians, his press releases reffered to an Allied victory when it should have read an Australian victory, but when it was an American victory it was an American victory. Don't always believe the US biased history of the Pacific war. The Aussies were first to defeat the Japs on land at Milne Bay, Kokoda Track and Gona all before capture of Guadalcanal.
blueycarlton 1 month ago
@blueycarlton You are partially correct. Ballte for Milne bay was heavily supported by US Army artillery. Yes it was the first US/allied land victory before Guadalcanal and Buna.
yes, Buna was an American victory, 6 month campaign which began before Guadalcanal, led by US. certainly, 32nd ID which was not trained for jungle warfare had their hands full. But with time, US Soldiers overcame their weakness and nature and victorious. Thanks to LTG Eikelberger.
HDNighster1 1 month ago
@HDNighster1 We all agree that the Allies won ... but there wasn't any US Artillery Units at Milne Bay - there was an Engineer Unit there and their 50 calibre MGs came in real handy in the 3 Japanese assaults on Airstrip 3 but they were part a larger fire plan.
At the end of the day the US took the Buna Station but that could not have been done until the AIF cleared the left and right flanks .The AIF finished them at Sanananda. The 32nd went on to greater glory.
Why are we arguing....
lizardfisher03 4 weeks ago
@lizardfisher03 Agree, an Allied victory.
HDNighster1 3 weeks ago
@HDNighster1
your facts are largely correct but they are a bit biased towards the americans. where did you get them from? there were hardly any americans at milne bay, only engineers in the back lines (the battle was described as an 'allied' victory). milne bay was an australian victory. at buna the americans soldiers refused to fight and sat down on the ground doing nothing, and the australians had to be called into the battle to help them. you should read Kokoda by paul ham to get full facts
chazzalinko 2 weeks ago
@chazzalinko Interesting biases from different perspective. Thanks for your response.
HDNighster1 2 weeks ago
I am certain that the wounded soldier at 5.34 is my grandfather,lost his left arm above elbow,led a full life passed 1990,R.I.P.
MrSmittysengineering 5 months ago
@MrSmittysengineering God bless him
lizardfisher03 5 months ago
My grandfather was a young surgeon in New Guinea. Christmas Eve dinner, 1992, was the only time he ever shared any experiences from his service. He told me, '50 years ago today, I was working in a medical tent with 6 other doctors, in addition to nurses. That night, we had 700 casualties come in.'
otacon451 7 months ago
@otacon451 I read a story of a US army surgeon having heart failure (and died on duty) due to exhaustion around that time in '42 at Buna, apparently the docs & medics were going round the clock for days, all with dysentery and malaria - from your your Granddads account it is easy how this happened - Lest we forget
lizardfisher03 6 months ago
@mymyharlow my pleasure
lizardfisher03 1 year ago
I am trying to find out as much as I can about a relative that was killed on the 24th December whilst fighting as part of the 2/10. Do you know where I might start?
SuperPhantomBiker 1 year ago
@SuperPhantomBiker For about $25 you can get the relatives army records in total via the national archives web site (you just need the service number name etc - of which can be found at the AWM web site on the nominal roll). His army file should have some good leads, i.e. company, platoon etc, info on wounds, where buried, sometimes correspondence from relatives - next go the AWM war diaries (all on-line) to work out where the companies/platoon level operations in relation to the date....
lizardfisher03 1 year ago
@SuperPhantomBiker ...PART 2 -try also the unit history (can find at AWM or some RSLs) - the RSL might help with remaining members of the 2/10 association-unit returns can give up something about individuals also-AWM has a stack of material (written/audio - try a search of the collections at the website to scope out what could be held).Some unit war diary stuff was written in the field and can be a challenge to decipher(e.g. 2/9th's).Goodluck.
lizardfisher03 1 year ago
these guys make the brits and yanks look like pussy cats
AlienFirefox 1 year ago
My Dad fought with the 2/9th Battalion, thanks for posting, really shows what hard conditions were experienced, like on all the Pacific Islands.
It really was "Hell in the Pacific".
nosred88 1 year ago
@nosred88 my pleasure mate. What the 2/9th did on the 18 December was truly inspiring. The guy at 6.35 pictured as a Sgt earlier in the war, was C Company commander. As he led his men forward he sustained those injuries from machine fire. George Silk, the photographer on scene, later wrote that he was greatly disturbed by what he saw that day. They must have been a great crew, to keep going until the objectives were taken.
' ... and the ninth went in where others dared to go'.
lizardfisher03 1 year ago
For those interested, you must read "A Bastard of a place" by Peter Brune. It covers all of the AIF operations in New Guinea with some personal accounts from privates to generals. Based on sheer courage under fire, no other army could match the AIF.
virgoattitude 1 year ago
@virgoattitude Totally agree. Thomas Blamey & Douglas MacArthur were just glory hunters and had no idea of the conditions the battles took place under. Neither deserve the respect of being called General. sorry I respected both before reading "A Bastard of a Place".
wheelie400 7 months ago
Some might wonder why there wasn't much footage of the AIF in New Guinea. Much film perished in the humid conditions, and when the fighting became desperate our cameramen ditched their equipment to either help the wounded or join in the fight. Some footage and photos remain unseen to this day as the government deemed it to be too graphic for the general public to view. Whether the media still exists is unknown.
virgoattitude 1 year ago
@virgoattitude I wonder when they plan to eventually release this material
ebusitanus 1 year ago
Buna!-the time that Americans started to "love "those "Aussies"
Those "Japs "were-----------------entrenched?
Weeks of--------------nothing?
"No Sir-------we ARE not advancing? "
We are just "loosing "men for NO gain.
Left field stuff?------the Aussies made an attack that was----------brilliant?
Americans-took it "on board "-------and were-excellent!
I love our American friends.
Steve.
HobieTyourtube 1 year ago
my grandfather told me his older brother died fighting in WWII later he told my mom he died fighting in new guinea and his name i would like to know more but i'm hesitant to ask his other brother fought nazis in italy
mike8219 1 year ago
@mike8219 Do it. As the older ones pass on, first hand accounts will pass into history and then eventually into folklore - it will be then harder to verify etc. It is important that what happened in New Guinea and in the axis of advance up to the Phillipines/Borneo is remembered - just as worthy as the central pacific fighting.
lizardfisher03 1 year ago
My father served in the RedArrow he said it was the toughest fight nothing to look back on allways forward ....... you are alive be thankfull........ we got the butcher of Malaya General Tomoyuki Yamashita and the sword is on display in Whisconson,
kurthh1680 2 years ago
It was my pleasure putting this up, I don't know my US Army history too well but I think the red arrow spent more time in line than any US Army Division, they were hit hard, adapted and bounced back, my old man was in the RAAF in New Guinea and always thought fondly of the Yanks
lizardfisher03 2 years ago
My father served in the 32nd Red Arrow ...the Division that keeps on givin' from WWI to WWII Hind. Line to the capture of General Tomoyuki Yamashita I am proud of all the men and boys who became men after the War in the Pacific...........Thank you for posting this video.
kurthh1680 2 years ago
Great job.
Lest we forget.
goose27 2 years ago
@goose27 Thanks mate
lizardfisher03 2 years ago
Excellent compilation. My grandmother's brother was killed at Sanananda on 7 December '42 defending Australia from Japanese cowards. "Lest we forget."
cropduster7 2 years ago
@cropduster7 Thanks...lest we forget.
lizardfisher03 2 years ago