DRUMAGOG - real time - with cardboard boxes & 3 mics

[sekin666]

how to make drumagog so live like you

[ChrisD1andOnly]

Dude, I need your help. I'm trying to record a real drumset in sonar and want to make each mic have it's own track(in sonar). My mixer has 4 inputs in which I have 1; snare 2;bass 3; overhead. I can't figure out for the life of me how to have them in independant tracks in sonar, which is what I think you have here. So far it looks impossible to me since there's only 1 input going to the sound card from the mixer...Help!

Reply please

[sickgreg]

@ChrisD1andOnly Dude, sonar will only have as many inputs to choose from as your audio interface (sound card) has. The mixer is doing what it's name suggests. It's mixing all the inputs into one.

What you need is a firewire or usb interface with (for example) 8 microphone pre-amps. Sonar see's the device and will let you choose which input you want to record from on a track by track basis.

What you're trying to do is, yeah, impossible

[ChrisD1andOnly]

@sickgreg Thanks very much man! I'm gonna give it a try

[clapdaddy]

Nice! But is there also a way to assign different drum outputs for different audio inputs within the realm of one mic. My big wish is to beatbox and then replace the different sounds realtime with different drum sounds.

[audibleobsession]

Btw, what audio interface are you using that has 2ms latency!?!

[audibleobsession]

This is so sweet! hah!

[MrAndySneap]

I just tried the SLATE DIGITAL TRIGGER demo and now I can say: "goodbye Drumagog!"

[sickgreg]

@MrAndySneap

You got a video for that?

I should just search 'ey.

Yeah i'll do a search

[sickgreg]

Hey mate sorry... wouldn't have a clue on the price of dis product, or where to get it, or what version it's up to now, or even what version i used 2 years ago when i made this video. Haven't touched it since then and i've drank a lot of VB since then, can't even remember its interface. I'm amazed how many views i've had.

I do remember mixed tracks are not friendly w/ drumagog. You can adjust sensitivity/threshold to eliminate bleeding from other mics triggering unwanted samples to some extent

[letshaveafondueparty]

Hey mate, been checking this program out this last week after a couple of guys came in the shop I was working in and we started talking about drums for recording. It's cool as! Someone mentioned your an Aussie. I see they sell it through electric factory. Any ideas as to Au$'s Also are you able to use the sensitivity controls to break up a mixed drum sound into seperate parts????

[TENACER]

INCREDIBLE... thank U//

[marinbusic]

Couly you mike the entire drum set with 3 microphones?

Or a better question, can drumagog recognize more sounds from a single microphone?

[sickgreg]

"can drumagog recognize more sounds from a single microphone? "

Each microphone triggers only one sample (from a set, depending how hard you hit the thing)... no matter what it hears so unfortunately no

[abigor731]

it could be possible if several sources have completely different frequency responses

you could try 1 mic for bassdrum and hihat, and then you could split the signal, highpass filter for the hihat trigger signal, lowpass filter for the bassdrum trigger signal

maybe it could even work with a xylophone or piano, you could split the signal very often, a track with a bandpass filter for every note

well i admit this is pretty impractical though

so ... just forget it

[xxWHITEFALCONxx]

hahhah i knew you were a fellow aussie just by your responses to people. pretty sick program aye!

[ThePottersWheelPro]

What program are you using to get the great sound.

[sickgreg]

nah mate no programs used here...

just extremely well tuned boxes

...

no seriously!

come on... read the title of the video!

DRUMAGOG

you can read the video's full description if you like (as in, to the right of the video.... "more info")

damn!

[ThePottersWheelPro]

thank you so much.

[jackdrums01]

Where can i buy a cardboard box tuning kit to get the nice sound in this video?

[josh7788]

DUDE,,' what sound card did u use?? tnx in advance!! great work!! haha..

[sickgreg]

i'm using an 8-bit ISA sound blaster from the early 90's

It's got 65,536 balanced XLR inputs on the rear bracket (each with its own dedicated tube preamp). I had to get a bigger case to fit it but it was def. worth the $7000, for the sake of this video.

Ok no i'm lying.

My interface ("sound card") = phonic firefly 808

it's firewire not internal. 24 bit.

google it. Excellent value for money in my opinion (well, it was when the aussie dollar was 96 cents US before this NWO crap)

[Parsec994a]

Hey, those 90s sounds blasters had great OPL chips! The best FM synthesis around, ironically alot better sounding then thier modern counterparts from the Audigy and Live! on!

[TheVoiceBoxStudio]

Does anyone know how to run a 3rd party plug in like a compressor..reverb etc. into the monitor mix without recording it down destructively. I hate to admit it, but i just got sonar 7 PE and can't seem to get it to do this and it's making me nuts. I like to use the plug ins non destructively real time for better tracking. Any help would be great. Thanks!

[sickgreg]

ooops sorry i removed your other comment by accident instead of pressing reply i pressed remove! sorry. Makes you look stupid again until you repost. (or does it only get removed for me when i'm logged in??? i dunno. If so, i look stupid)

As far as i know, no plugins are ever destructive in sonar... until you mix it all down. All recordings are "dry" to my knowledge.

[VinylRaccoon]

Setup an auxilary bus. Add the pluggin to the bus. Choose the track you want to the bus to go to and then apply how much you want to hear it.

[NashMuhandes]

Neat trick, but it's nothing new. I have been enabling real-time monitoring with Drumagog as my clients record so they are hearing their hits being replaced in real-time in their headphones as they track their drums. It's a great way to improve the vibe in the studio. They'll go, "holy shit this sounds so huge!" and it somehow makes them play better. For dynamic drummers, I have 2 Drumagog tracks, one for the main hits and the other for detail hits which have more sensitive settings.

[JoeOnKeys]

this will make lazy musicians even lazier!! good stuff though

[boisbrut]

...AWESOME!!!!

[Kenneally28]

sick

[flimbabulous]

Do you know of any other ways to do this using a microphone and an object's unique sound signature to trigger certain sounds? I remember seeing a video a year or two ago which had somebody doing the same thing with a program which wasn't even strictly for music I don't think. I think it was meant for triggering certain program functions in windows. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't find that video. :( Can you help me out?

[sickgreg]

hmmm well i know microsoft office has built in voice recognition.... which i beleive you can configure to execute tasks when you say something.... ???? dunnnnoo. certainly possible for a computer to distinguish between different sounds. Try to at least

[flimbabulous]

Oh well. Cool video nonetheless. peace

[Lordofthethings2]

You might be referring to KT drum trigger. check my vdo for a demo of kt drum trigger running in real time

[sickgreg]

i clicked your name and of your 4 videos, none seem to have anything to do with "KT drum trigger"

[Lordofthethings2]

ah..its the one titlesd 'AC DC cover Mad Diy electronic drum kit'

[MainstreetMenna90]

Hey, what kind of audio interface do you use? I have an Alesis MultiMix Mixer but it only shows up as one channel on my computer. If you could let me know I'd really appreciate it! :)

[sickgreg]

My interface is a Phonic Firefly 808 (exceptionally good value/quality/features for the money in my opinion).

If your Alesis shows up as only one channel, maybe you've got your audio software set to WDM driver mode (only basic 2 channel windows recording) instead of ASIO driver mode. Just a thought. Always use ASIO driver mode for multitrack and fast latency.

[MainstreetMenna90]

thanks dude. that's awesome! :)

[freedom0f5peech]

Cool! This is fun, I did similar about 5 years ago. Drumagog is a neat tool.

[josh7788]

dude,, where can I see the live monitoring? i have cakewalk sonar 6.. and enable the dumagog effects.. but the sound in real time never change.. thanks dude..

[sickgreg]

In sonar there's a button in each track to enable "live monitoring". Enable your tracks for live monitoring...

You'll also want to mute the live microphone sound at driver level so all you hear is the processed output of sonar, and not the direct microphone

That's all i can think of

[nirolfo]

can i put the trigger on my cymbal ??..for this sound??

[sickgreg]

well drumagog will trigger a sample when it here's almost any sound, so long as it has a definite hit, or peak to it. The word transient comes to mind (can't remember).

You wont get realistic cymbal response from any trigger/sample setup in my opinion, but you could certainly make it trigger something when you smash it

[thetwentyfourth]

I don't recommend people hit their microphones with drum sticks...

[musicadelrecuerdo]

como hacer para que salga en tiempo real ?

[TubeFusion]

Killer! Gonna try this out with cubase soon.

[2ech0]

Very cool.

[maygogo]

como hacen eso? jajajaja

[shadowstrike7]

ahahaha FUCK YEAH

i did that with drumagog also

just mic something that wont have alot of sound bleeding into other mics

and then you can make a whole drumset without drums =D

[millz31]

cool, but change that snare sample...  :D

[teejgreer]

i got the demo version did you pirate the real version!? if so where!?!?!?

[sickgreg]

Try bittorrent

get the firefox extension "torrentbar" and with a bit of luck you'll find what you're looking for on one of the torrent sites that it searches

Actually i take that back you should really buy the program :)

[KenOkel123]

wouldent pirate it

[joolex]

looks like fun

[rowanlloyd]

wow awesome! i might do this if i get bored of my yamaha DD-55!

[dudleythemoose]

woa, how do you keep showing up where ive been:?

[rowanlloyd]

magic :P

jk, dunno lol

why, does it bother you?

[dudleythemoose]

not really..

[rowanlloyd]

i am a regular youtube commenter and watcher, therefore this shouldn't come as a surprise :P

[1acidboy]

fake

[sickgreg]

You just don't know how to tune cardboard

[rickhorvath]

It's no fake. This is a sound replacement plugin. And it works Great!

[KenOkel123]

No, not Fake

[killthepixelnow]

It's not fake... drum replacement is done by capturing the wave and transforming it into a drum sample. You can use anything, from cardboard to pots... in fact there's a video of a guy playing with pots and pans in the Musikmesse. Do some research before posting such commentaries.

[temetoeldedo]

el piezoelectrico es lo mejor para drumagog

[sickgreg]

in english

"The piezoelectric is best for drumagog"

Yep that is true... If my boxes had piezo's they would surely be more responsive than they were with the dynamic mic's i used.

You can make your own cheap drum trigger pads using piezoelectric transducers from radioshack or tandy electronics or wha' ever. The net's full of information

[sickgreg]

Use an audio interface with several microphone inputs. You can't just use a "normal" sound card, they typically have only 1 ADC (analog to digital converter), and mix all inputs down to a single stereo recording line.

[sickgreg]

oops i didn't really answer your question... i used a sound blaster audigy 1 platinum (ie with the front panel "audigy drive"). Its far from being a pro audio interface, but when driven by the "kx audio driver" rather than the bullshit creative driver, will handle 8 seperate analog inputs (10 with my SBLive spdif'd to it)

[blynx666]

Drumagog is really good, you should make a whole drum kit made of cardboard boxes! That would be really cool!! :DDDD

[sickgreg]

haha, nah i'm over that idea... an electronic drum kit would be more appropriate... or mic up this MAPEX PRO-M real drum kit

[nwyard]

cool ... are you using the MIKE as the hi hat???

[sickgreg]

Yeah using the mic as the hi hat. It makes sense, all drumagog needs to trigger a sample is the tapping noise produced by hitting the mic. Don't worry, it's only a cheap one!

The snare box and kick box have sm57's inside (they're good mics, not that they need to be for drumagog, anything will do the job. Infact, i can trigger samples by simply touching the tip of a guitar lead.)

[CakewalkSoftware]

Hey this is awesome, thanks for using SONAR and writing the tech tip in the description

[sickgreg]

I put a "how to use drumagog in real time" thing in the video's description if anybody is interested

sick_greg