New to ZFF, main question: Stan Meyer, fact or fiction? Is there an electrolizer out there with low amperage requirements for the purpose of breaking down water to HHO? Not interested in 30+ amp units. Why don't we have a home unit that would supply all the electric needs for an average home + HHO for small engine & vehicle use?
@mistersq01 If you ask Fast Freddie he would tell you yes. And for a small fee you can be on a waiting list. Or maybe you'd like to drop a few G's on a distributorship for the as yet unreleased product? Sound familiar? WITTS "Ministries"? Dennis Lee? LOL!
I have yet to see one personally. Although, I do have a Square1 SIC to test when I get my Batt cell together again. So....
I said that? Slap me silly. HHO is to get the existing infrastructure running more efficiently without wasting all the time, energy and materials that went into producing it in the first place.
soon we will descend upon the Isaac Walton refuge and I was curious if this is a campers gig. Dont mind roughing it but do not see any info or interest. Is it really going to be a hoot?or HHOot?
I have nothing to say until I see it when that segment finally airs April 5, assuming it's not preempted by golf again! By Tiger, adding insult to injury. >:-(
I guess according to Eric Krieg of Phact*org who wrote to let me know of the exposé, he was interviewed by Dateline for the segment. I'm anxious to see it. Hopefully he gave me a plug on national TV! :-D
I still say we get one running on straight HHO, what ever it takes, a ton of plates in a trunk of a car , beats filling up landfills with Li-ion battery packs..Anythings better then our current ( no hho pun intended) situation with damm oil imports..
I'm not concerned. 5 years from now the very same batteries will likely be less than half the cost - OR - similar cost and twice the charge density - OR - have double the service life - OR - any combination of these.
Batterys can be re-used so to say. They say the only thing that causes them to go bad is a sulfuric build up on the plates, people claim it doesn't take much to de-sulfanate them, and it realitivly in-expensive. Might look in to it.
Batteries are becomming better all the time. Just need to improve recycling methods, change gas stations to battery exchange stations and convert power plants to clean sources. Come see my channel if you wish
I've seen some industrial batteries last up to 10 years. Also Davehho, these batteries can be recycled and they are not like little AA batteries that fools throw in the dumps. For some places, u can get paid to recycle batteries. Stop wasting time with HHO, electric is way ahead in marketing terms. Also people will feel much safer exchanging batteries and/or quick charges, rather than HHO containments. Save the combustion for the power plants, we don't need it in vehicles, we already have better
Actually, that's the model S. , a family sedan. The batteries are warrantied for five years for 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. They will probably last considerably longer.
If you inject the hho near thetop of stroke and do not compress so much, then ignite it at 3 to 5 deg after TDC, should drive piston to other side igniting other side cyl hho charge, while vacume formed after first ignition pulls in unison with pwr stroke of second ignition..... and so on, no valves only drain holes to get rid of accumilated H2O Gary
This would be true *IF* your charge was a perfect stoichiometric mix, +/- only a couple %. Very difficult to achieve. Much easier to offset the mix with an inert gas or recirculated exhaust and cause a much greater explosion.
But an engine that runs on only HHO, is an electric engine since all the HHO is produced by electrolysis. You must then have a big battery or a lot of solar cells.
Soichiometric means that everything is converted to end products. In the case of HHO combustion, two parts HH and one part OO combust to give two parts water(2[HHO]).
HHO engine has not been invented yet... I was thinking more in line with the steam engine cylinder, by useing both sides of the piston, timeing the ignition so one power phase helps the other, there by useing the vacume produced after ignition in unison with the pressure made on ignition on other side of piston and visa versa... Internal combustion engines,are not made for a fuel that ignites so fast.
Okay, we can break down the water molecule into gases we can use for fuel. We are finding increasingly efficient designs to do that. So why is the fuel still not in wide use? Because we don't have engines which will efficiently use the gases.
I have lost confidence that on-demand production of hho will ever be compatible with existing ICE's. We need an engine specifically designed to run on hho.
I think your upcoming experiments are a step in the right direction. Good luck and thanks!
7pm sunday night on msnbc is the hho segment. one more thing...this AEPC 2009 in Waldorf, MD is asking us hho'ers to show up...but where will we stay? camp time...yee ha...oh yeah popular mechanics gets there rocks off debunking hho this week as well...shame shame shame
i see dateline at 7pm on msnbc will air a story on hho and probably will debunk it pretty good. thats ok. they do not have the one way up the learning curve to certify the results. exxon is touting hydrogen assisted gasoline? now...like its sublimenally alluring,,,,
Check with knowledge publications. They will show you mathematically that any HHO system under the hood won't give you any apprciable results. I've tried all this stuff and it is a waste of money.
Am an avid follower of your videos and research and just wanted to tell you that I am all for you in your "zero" objective. I have been doing my own "crude" research on my HHO generator models & had come up with a more refined model that has been working on the cars of my friends who volunteered to have it tested those who bought my working models.
No complaints, no problems. They report back to me that they got gas savings from 25% to 48%. I think I now got the design right. More power to you and your dedication to your work!
I was watching youre show last week and didnt that dude say that "his friends" were mechanics that were with him to get smack to submit to a dyno? . he said he had a speed shop ready with a dyno to prove smack wrong. that sounds what like he was saying, and that he was gonna confront smack about his claims and get him to prove it by dyno. yea, that what i heard.
That is what he said that only later on scarecrows channel. That is not what he originally said to me in private. PS nobody shows up on site with the dynamometer. Radar man's intentions were very clear to me, so much so that I was made to fear for Smacks safety. I stand by what I wrote.
Oh, I'm sorry that I miss your comments radar man. You put them up, took them down, and deleted your new account so quickly that I didn't even receive a copy in my in box. I hope I didn't offend you. "That's just a technique I use to evoke responses from people".
Just to let you know that I have been in contact with VT SP. they have the full story now, not just one side of it from a lunatic. Rest assured Smack will be dealt with along with any other scammer that is dealing in this crap. My list is in good an capable hands and what was easy was all the proof needed was these guys videos. Loved it when Smack stated that this isnt againt the law to tamper with the emissions and how he thinks a "plug" gets him off the hook. Keep em coming.
My brother-in-law is a 33 year veteran Sgt of the CT SP. I also have two uncles in the CT SP, one a Sgt and one Lt. You're an idiot. If they led you to believe they would help you, it was only to shut you up and make you go away.
Have you had a chance to look at a wankel rotary engine? Its closer to a 2 stroke in that the shaft constantly has power applied to it. It also does not have a cam because of its nature the timing is handled by the actual mechanics of how the engine works. Also it creates its own vacuum which would be great for pulling in the hydrogen. Mazda uses it in its cars and are working on a hydrogen rotary at this time. Please look into this, it may work better for you, I'll look for your response.
try working with 12s like the sumerian gods annunaki aliens 12 months 12 hours 12 desiples 12 planets and 7 as your weeks try 12 magnets and 7 when u do the spinning magnet thing i think they may use 12 for everything annunaki exsist
Yes but Lee is trying to sell a commercialized version of the GEET system that does not work. By contrast, Pantone wasn't selling anything and his design worked.
It is summer in Australia, you would not know it...it again has been a cold wet summer...5th cold wet summer in a row. We start Autumn now, you can't tell difference between summer and Autumn.
Yea, Dennis Lee is a crook, no two ways about it, I say we lock his ass up and throw away the key. I am sure there are many folks out there who have been conned by him out of millions of dollars who would agree. These are the kind of bottom feeders that give alt energy a bad name.
There's actually a very good possibility of a show in CT. A lot will depend on interest out this way and whether or not I can get someone to donate a venue for the event. How does July or August sound to everyone? Seems to be a dead period for shows. Is everyone away on vacation at this time?
From what i understand of the "sundance" generator, it seems to draw power from what we can only call Zero Point .
Nikola Tesla built and discovered this form of energy back in the early 1900s and had the first patent on those types of generators.. I'm not sure about them , but i plan to build a small model and see how they work before i make any snap judgements. a warning to sundance though, Tesla was run into the ground by power hungry people for his latter discoveries for free energy.
That's cool, news that is interesting, and talking about stuff you don't get to hear on the regular filtered & doctored crap news. I like the Idea Z..
i like 2 stroke. that guy look like a fake with the basment thing. i seen this guy that had a big tank with a small tank with the fuel cell in it i think and it ran a small car on water fuel . i am going to make that but still think i need more info before i do.
It would be great to meet you there, Z. i will be there. As far as scam artist don't like them at all but there has been a lot cover up that seem to have been made it work too.
Here is the list:
PV
CPV
Bio Diesel
HHO
Wind
Special heat pumps
Absorbers
There has to be an answer to supplying a typical home + car with all the energy needs without relying on big oil or big utilities.
mistersq01 7 months ago
So, HHO is where we "chase our tail"? What is the most promising method to be energy independent at home?
mistersq01 7 months ago
New to ZFF, main question: Stan Meyer, fact or fiction? Is there an electrolizer out there with low amperage requirements for the purpose of breaking down water to HHO? Not interested in 30+ amp units. Why don't we have a home unit that would supply all the electric needs for an average home + HHO for small engine & vehicle use?
mistersq01 7 months ago
@mistersq01 If you ask Fast Freddie he would tell you yes. And for a small fee you can be on a waiting list. Or maybe you'd like to drop a few G's on a distributorship for the as yet unreleased product? Sound familiar? WITTS "Ministries"? Dennis Lee? LOL!
I have yet to see one personally. Although, I do have a Square1 SIC to test when I get my Batt cell together again. So....
ZeroFossilFuel 7 months ago
Hey zero this is a great idea
thegreatkoua 2 years ago
Hey Luc
Remember you said "Stop wasting time with hho" Please.
One could argure that Nat Gas is by far better then electric , but far be it for me to tell the Z-Man not to drool over the Tesla !
Also: Whats so wrong with an HHO drivin genset or even an hho drivin gen set on board to charge the batteries and extend the range ?
Lets play the wait and see thing reguarding electrically driven cars and whats coming up with H and HHO shall we ?
Davehho1 2 years ago
I said that? Slap me silly. HHO is to get the existing infrastructure running more efficiently without wasting all the time, energy and materials that went into producing it in the first place.
Pure electric is the future of motoring.
P.S. The future is now.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
soon we will descend upon the Isaac Walton refuge and I was curious if this is a campers gig. Dont mind roughing it but do not see any info or interest. Is it really going to be a hoot?or HHOot?
earthhydro 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong Z, I'm as pumped over an mainstream electric car as everyone else.
Anything but oil imports
Davehho1 2 years ago
I want to know what you have to say about NBC date line 3/27/09 ,water car boosters debunked by popular mechanics.I bet the same thing I think.
Hollywoods7 2 years ago
I have nothing to say until I see it when that segment finally airs April 5, assuming it's not preempted by golf again! By Tiger, adding insult to injury. >:-(
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
I guess according to Eric Krieg of Phact*org who wrote to let me know of the exposé, he was interviewed by Dateline for the segment. I'm anxious to see it. Hopefully he gave me a plug on national TV! :-D
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Ok, only two questions concerning Electric cars,
How long to the batterys last ( 5 years )
And how much to replace them ? lol
I still say we get one running on straight HHO, what ever it takes, a ton of plates in a trunk of a car , beats filling up landfills with Li-ion battery packs..Anythings better then our current ( no hho pun intended) situation with damm oil imports..
Davehho1 2 years ago
I'm not concerned. 5 years from now the very same batteries will likely be less than half the cost - OR - similar cost and twice the charge density - OR - have double the service life - OR - any combination of these.
So too will advances be made to recycle.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Batterys can be re-used so to say. They say the only thing that causes them to go bad is a sulfuric build up on the plates, people claim it doesn't take much to de-sulfanate them, and it realitivly in-expensive. Might look in to it.
issmech 2 years ago
Batteries are becomming better all the time. Just need to improve recycling methods, change gas stations to battery exchange stations and convert power plants to clean sources. Come see my channel if you wish
luc59457 2 years ago
I've seen some industrial batteries last up to 10 years. Also Davehho, these batteries can be recycled and they are not like little AA batteries that fools throw in the dumps. For some places, u can get paid to recycle batteries. Stop wasting time with HHO, electric is way ahead in marketing terms. Also people will feel much safer exchanging batteries and/or quick charges, rather than HHO containments. Save the combustion for the power plants, we don't need it in vehicles, we already have better
luc59457 2 years ago
Nice Roadster Z,
What number are you on the waiting list ?
And , the only question concering electric cars is how long the battery packs last
Davehho1 2 years ago
Actually, that's the model S. , a family sedan. The batteries are warrantied for five years for 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. They will probably last considerably longer.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
If you inject the hho near thetop of stroke and do not compress so much, then ignite it at 3 to 5 deg after TDC, should drive piston to other side igniting other side cyl hho charge, while vacume formed after first ignition pulls in unison with pwr stroke of second ignition..... and so on, no valves only drain holes to get rid of accumilated H2O Gary
llewgnal 2 years ago
This would be true *IF* your charge was a perfect stoichiometric mix, +/- only a couple %. Very difficult to achieve. Much easier to offset the mix with an inert gas or recirculated exhaust and cause a much greater explosion.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
But an engine that runs on only HHO, is an electric engine since all the HHO is produced by electrolysis. You must then have a big battery or a lot of solar cells.
Bill
billmorgan914 2 years ago
Ah , yes , the biggigt little word in the world," if ". I'm not sure what you mean by soichiometric ? Maybe equal amounts of H + O ?
llewgnal 2 years ago
Soichiometric means that everything is converted to end products. In the case of HHO combustion, two parts HH and one part OO combust to give two parts water(2[HHO]).
Bill
billmorgan914 2 years ago
HHO engine has not been invented yet... I was thinking more in line with the steam engine cylinder, by useing both sides of the piston, timeing the ignition so one power phase helps the other, there by useing the vacume produced after ignition in unison with the pressure made on ignition on other side of piston and visa versa... Internal combustion engines,are not made for a fuel that ignites so fast.
llewgnal 2 years ago
Okay, we can break down the water molecule into gases we can use for fuel. We are finding increasingly efficient designs to do that. So why is the fuel still not in wide use? Because we don't have engines which will efficiently use the gases.
I have lost confidence that on-demand production of hho will ever be compatible with existing ICE's. We need an engine specifically designed to run on hho.
I think your upcoming experiments are a step in the right direction. Good luck and thanks!
Gundog23 2 years ago
7pm sunday night on msnbc is the hho segment. one more thing...this AEPC 2009 in Waldorf, MD is asking us hho'ers to show up...but where will we stay? camp time...yee ha...oh yeah popular mechanics gets there rocks off debunking hho this week as well...shame shame shame
earthhydro 2 years ago
i see dateline at 7pm on msnbc will air a story on hho and probably will debunk it pretty good. thats ok. they do not have the one way up the learning curve to certify the results. exxon is touting hydrogen assisted gasoline? now...like its sublimenally alluring,,,,
earthhydro 2 years ago
love to see that waist high machine in action with reads in/out, that'll decide it eh?
kdkinen 2 years ago
Check with knowledge publications. They will show you mathematically that any HHO system under the hood won't give you any apprciable results. I've tried all this stuff and it is a waste of money.
HydrogenMike54 2 years ago
Hi Zero,
Am an avid follower of your videos and research and just wanted to tell you that I am all for you in your "zero" objective. I have been doing my own "crude" research on my HHO generator models & had come up with a more refined model that has been working on the cars of my friends who volunteered to have it tested those who bought my working models.
ericgozar 2 years ago
No complaints, no problems. They report back to me that they got gas savings from 25% to 48%. I think I now got the design right. More power to you and your dedication to your work!
ericgozar 2 years ago
you lied on smacks channel
I was watching youre show last week and didnt that dude say that "his friends" were mechanics that were with him to get smack to submit to a dyno? . he said he had a speed shop ready with a dyno to prove smack wrong. that sounds what like he was saying, and that he was gonna confront smack about his claims and get him to prove it by dyno. yea, that what i heard.
hogheaven005 2 years ago
That is what he said that only later on scarecrows channel. That is not what he originally said to me in private. PS nobody shows up on site with the dynamometer. Radar man's intentions were very clear to me, so much so that I was made to fear for Smacks safety. I stand by what I wrote.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Oh, I'm sorry that I miss your comments radar man. You put them up, took them down, and deleted your new account so quickly that I didn't even receive a copy in my in box. I hope I didn't offend you. "That's just a technique I use to evoke responses from people".
Now where have I heard that before?
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
OH WAIT! Look what I just found from Radarman in my comment notices that the coward didn't have the guts to leave online...
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Just to let you know that I have been in contact with VT SP. they have the full story now, not just one side of it from a lunatic. Rest assured Smack will be dealt with along with any other scammer that is dealing in this crap. My list is in good an capable hands and what was easy was all the proof needed was these guys videos. Loved it when Smack stated that this isnt againt the law to tamper with the emissions and how he thinks a "plug" gets him off the hook. Keep em coming.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
My brother-in-law is a 33 year veteran Sgt of the CT SP. I also have two uncles in the CT SP, one a Sgt and one Lt. You're an idiot. If they led you to believe they would help you, it was only to shut you up and make you go away.
If only we could do the same..........
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
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rdarman001200 2 years ago
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rdarman001200 2 years ago
water power could be real and if you have time look at my videos. thanks
waterpowerisreal 2 years ago
A 2 stroke diesel 6-71 detroit, watch what hapens. Remember eIther? (STARTING FLUID)ONE FREE TIP A MONTH. TRIATOMIC FUEL CELLS INC.
pinemontgo 2 years ago
Hey Zero
What are you going to do to close the intake valve off ? Grind the cam lobe off ?
Can't freakin wait to see what you come up with next !
Davehho1 2 years ago
Hopefully there's a cam follower I can just pop off to keep the intake valve closed without having to permanently modify the cam by grinding it.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
I think that honda engine has an internal timing belt, might be tricky, I'm sure you'll figure it out, good luck !
Davehho1 2 years ago
I'd like to see an exploded view (no pun intended) before I plunk down $225 + S&H.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Have you had a chance to look at a wankel rotary engine? Its closer to a 2 stroke in that the shaft constantly has power applied to it. It also does not have a cam because of its nature the timing is handled by the actual mechanics of how the engine works. Also it creates its own vacuum which would be great for pulling in the hydrogen. Mazda uses it in its cars and are working on a hydrogen rotary at this time. Please look into this, it may work better for you, I'll look for your response.
Sepher0 2 years ago
try working with 12s like the sumerian gods annunaki aliens 12 months 12 hours 12 desiples 12 planets and 7 as your weeks try 12 magnets and 7 when u do the spinning magnet thing i think they may use 12 for everything annunaki exsist
merasty101 2 years ago
is it hard to make the 4 stroke into a 2 stroke? can you do that with a car engine? it would give more power. smart thinking
Alkhemista 2 years ago
Yes, it is hard. If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Even more than hard, it is expensive and takes a long time.
servant74 2 years ago
if u look up the geet and the picc its the same thing Dennis Lee made the picc and Paul Pantone made the geet and well hes in jail
cricketol 2 years ago
Yes but Lee is trying to sell a commercialized version of the GEET system that does not work. By contrast, Pantone wasn't selling anything and his design worked.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
ok do u know any of the laws of patents ?
cricketol 2 years ago
yes lots of money, time, and a chance to loose your patents to others.
Alkhemista 2 years ago
Lee has been scamming the public for years, why does anyone believe him now???
Can101276 2 years ago
My question precisely.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
It is summer in Australia, you would not know it...it again has been a cold wet summer...5th cold wet summer in a row. We start Autumn now, you can't tell difference between summer and Autumn.
Global Cooling is a biatch.
cowinyourface 2 years ago
I suggest using a model airplane engine as a test bed.
There are old gas spark ignition 4 stroke engines out there.
Less than 1 cu in.
BoyntonStu
Boyntonstu 2 years ago
Welcome back ZFF
39Hool 2 years ago
Yea, Dennis Lee is a crook, no two ways about it, I say we lock his ass up and throw away the key. I am sure there are many folks out there who have been conned by him out of millions of dollars who would agree. These are the kind of bottom feeders that give alt energy a bad name.
earthtokirk 2 years ago 2
good to have you back Z.
Pwordchernoir 2 years ago
nice and informative video
best wishes
Keith holmes-de-wyvill sinclair
sinclairresearch
england
SINCLAIRRESEARCH 2 years ago
Glad to see you back Zero!~
I didn't know you were in the CT area... any chance you will ever do a seminar in CT?
bristolsdjcubed 3 years ago
There's actually a very good possibility of a show in CT. A lot will depend on interest out this way and whether or not I can get someone to donate a venue for the event. How does July or August sound to everyone? Seems to be a dead period for shows. Is everyone away on vacation at this time?
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
From what i understand of the "sundance" generator, it seems to draw power from what we can only call Zero Point .
Nikola Tesla built and discovered this form of energy back in the early 1900s and had the first patent on those types of generators.. I'm not sure about them , but i plan to build a small model and see how they work before i make any snap judgements. a warning to sundance though, Tesla was run into the ground by power hungry people for his latter discoveries for free energy.
RappelzFighter 3 years ago
Glad to hear you are starting to work with the pressurized system. Am interested to see what you come up with.
Stormrunner0002 3 years ago
Glad you are becoming aware of the scam artists who are giving serious researchers a bad name.
On that engine your getting: I'd opt for one with an electric starter.
shubus 3 years ago
A 2 stroke? You should make a Crower 6 stroke dude...
MisterHolaMan 3 years ago
That's cool, news that is interesting, and talking about stuff you don't get to hear on the regular filtered & doctored crap news. I like the Idea Z..
-raptor
rapttor94 3 years ago
Great presentation. Thank you Z. :))
lrover03 3 years ago
tats pretty kewl
stormfox1 3 years ago
i like 2 stroke. that guy look like a fake with the basment thing. i seen this guy that had a big tank with a small tank with the fuel cell in it i think and it ran a small car on water fuel . i am going to make that but still think i need more info before i do.
ru4anewworldorder 3 years ago
I wonder if you counter rotate two charged plates in an hho cell.
I have heard this in a sacred geometry radio interview. Just want to mention it.
btester1 3 years ago
It would be great to meet you there, Z. i will be there. As far as scam artist don't like them at all but there has been a lot cover up that seem to have been made it work too.
knowledge is power and greed is its down fall.
keep up the Great Work.
czarwright 3 years ago
Good to have sun
llewgnal 3 years ago