Refuting Chomsky using comedy, only makes for a good laugh. Porn can be degrading,history of it in particular in contrast with modern civilization n cultural values has offered some levels of respect and acceptance without considering real impact (ugly business) on psychological,emotional,social immaturity effecting values,respect,and integrity. A daughter to be forced sexually to pay for college or easy life is degrading of the values they had come to appreciate by a legacy of struggle.
@architect333 forced to make that choice in college. No one is forced to make that choice, when that choice is made. It's usually easier to make. Now the so-called "values" are imprinted in all of our families and all they usually do is oppress each generation. It's the reason for racism, classism, tribalism, and everything else.
@mikejpete why would a women get paid to fuck strangers when she can do it for free, you probably think wage slavery is a choice. just because primitive behavior such as prostitution, slavery, racism, is only declining and still present does not mean there's no struggle, this only mean these 'values' continue on precisely because of attitudes where people delude themselves into pleasures over consequences. specifically in this case where women cheat against the long struggle of women's rights.
@architect333 cheat against women's rights? The delusion is to think that woman's rights isn't also about sexual liberation and removing their guilt from doing what they want to do. The "primitive" behavior is the monetary system.
@mikejpete Women are free to do whatever they want sexually. The problem is to stop the line at wage slavery put forth by the recent monetary system you criticize where it's ok for women AND men to be treated as commodities as long as profit is made. This is against the history of women's struggle for rights or just human slavery. man n women were once equal hunter gatherers in order to survive, then corruption of civilization changed the status of men n women as life became easier...
@mikejpete ...Women as sex servants for pharaohs or men as slaves, later 'reproduction machines' for middle ages, after the enlightenment values, gaining rights n equality. If you uphold certain values it's degrading, if not, then your right nothing wrong with it or the way the world is today, if unlimited freedom is your case, can you not see the irony criticizing the monetary system. we give up certain rights equally in order to have true liberty, equality, and values in human interaction.
@architect333 We have the technology to eliminate these would-be consequences and put destinies into the hands of the individual without infringing upon others. It's only degrading if it's the only option and the only thing encouraged is for women to see themselves as objects. But if they should have the liberty to make that choice for themselves in a free and open society. The problem is that historically one gender has been able to capitalize on sex.
@architect333 giving them the ability to direct and start their own enterprise through the selling of their own bodies is a step up from having an abusive pimp.
@architect333 but it's not like women aren't watching porn. Great changes have made way, from wage equality, to greater numbers of female college graduates as opposed to males and CEO's as well. The sex industry as well has become more equalized with stars becoming directors.
@mikejpete As I said, it's about values, not rights, as far as I'm aware, porn's legal almost everywhere, what value does the exploitation of sex bring to society? it treats women like sex objects and goes directly against the values produced by higher mental faculties such as intimacy, connection,love, respect for the human body. This is degrading to those who want to uphold these values and treat humans on another level, as for those who don't care, "it's their problem." I think that's fair.
@architect333 exploitation of sex or sexual expression and empowerment. Sex is one of the most powerful expressions of intimacy, love, and connection. I think that's highly self-righteous. How is it degrading to you if it has nothing to do with you? As society becomes more liberalized, more and more couples have become open to watching this degrading thing together and learning. It just depends on your point of view. There are plenty of porn genre's that I would never look at or defend.
@mikejpete Sex for money is the most powerful expression of intimacy, love, and connection? I think you might be confused with what the majority of porn is all about. women are degraded in almost all porn to arouse man's lust of power over her in order to make profit. Girls are used like china factory workers, some are successful. The industry is surrounded with alcohol,drugs,nightlife, all possible on an easy buck, there are videos on love making,teaching,education, not even considered porn.
""goes directly against the values produced by higher mental faculties such as intimacy, connection, love, respect for the human body.""
You're basically the left wing version of a right wing authoritarian moralist douche attempting to shame people about what they get off to in their personal lives.
@architect333 sex for money is not what I said and you know it. I said sexual expression, many get off and are paid for it, is it really that complicated? Imagine telling a music artist getting paid for making music is exploitation. Sex is an art just like love is and they don't always have to be synonymous. "degraded in almost all porn" many of the up and coming producers and directors are women actually. They love what they do and they love that they get paid doing it.The best are clean.
@mikejpete your comments get removed? anyway sex for money is what were talking about here, not private sex in general, you seem to want to merge the 2 pretending it's the same, ignoring the practices of industry in reality. the majority of girls are in it for the easy money and are exploited. others take advantage of easy money and therefor enjoy it, after all its a job, all this suggests degrading. it's a matter of values as you illustrate by agreeing to certain aspects you wouldn't support.
@architect333 yeah you do have a point about the "most" and "easy money", but my favorites are the dominating stars who enjoy what they do. And I removed certain comments for spelling mistakes XD
@architect333 although what you reference as not being "considered porn" I do agree is very positive. There's a program called White Tiger Tantra that made my first relationship amazing.
@bobsdadsbird for a man considered the most respected public intellectual in academia he is certainly not above criticism. Also I believe it illustrates the man's preconceived notions of power relations, human nature, and societal structure prevents the man making the most basic moral distinctions.
unfortunately, chompsky is too old to understand that not only are some women just whores, but the MAJORITY of porn on the internet is "amateur", with a whole lot of it being girls making webcam vids.
@666norton420 It's fairly obvious that the topic in hand regards the professional pornography industry, specifically Hustler Magazine. And besides that, if a teen girl is convinced by her boyfriend to a ejaculation in her face while taping it, and then having it spread digitally around the globe, how is it less degrading then if she's 25 and paid to do it? If it's amateur or professional is irrelevant in a discussion regarding the presence of degradation in porn.
@CrustVegan "if a teen girl is convinced by her boyfriend"
You cannot make an argument for someone else. I'm assuming you have not been in a relationship with a "modern" woman who is utterly sexually liberated.
Not all people are morons and are quite able to make decisions for themselves. If a woman wants to do all sorts of sexual activities and then upload them to the world, that's their prerogative.
Also, "professional" is being horribly out numbered by amateurs.
@CrustVegan So you've been paying chicks to bust loads on their faces on camera for extra income, is that what you're trying to tell us? But seriously even if hard economic conditions do serve as a coercive force in people's employment decisions, that doesn't serve as an excuse to force people to not do whatever work that they choose to UNDER the conditions that they live in. That would just make things worse. There's other things a person can choose to do for income besides make porn
@CrustVegan 'A teen girl is convinced by her boyfriend', nice manipulative choice of scenario there. What about if she convinced him to do a sex video and he regretted it later after the video spread? You don't see this scenario as plausible because you view women as perpetual children who need to be minded after and not be allowed to make their own decisions. Lest they might be 'convinced' to do something you don't want them to by some evil man. She can't be allowed to decide for herself
@666norton420 I don't know if it's about age as much as it is ideology. Leftists put women on a pedestal and leftist males have a secular modern kind of version of chivalry where basically they seek to rescue women from their sexual imposes. Under the guise that sexuality is 'socially constructed' and they're the elite vanguard group that sees through it and knows better than everyone else. It may sound like I'm making this up the blunt way I'm wording it but I've read a lot of of their works
@666norton420 Leftists seek to liberate women from their innate sexual nature and bring them into a relationship with either a beta male who can't arouse them at a base level or a feminist lesbian partner. Under the guise that sexuality is 'socially constructed' and that natural healthy male-female dynamic is an oppressive form of hierarchy. And the left are the enlightened group that can see through the social construction so that earns them the right to tell everyone else how to live
Refuting Chomsky using comedy, only makes for a good laugh. Porn can be degrading,history of it in particular in contrast with modern civilization n cultural values has offered some levels of respect and acceptance without considering real impact (ugly business) on psychological,emotional,social immaturity effecting values,respect,and integrity. A daughter to be forced sexually to pay for college or easy life is degrading of the values they had come to appreciate by a legacy of struggle.
architect333 7 months ago
@architect333 forced to make that choice in college. No one is forced to make that choice, when that choice is made. It's usually easier to make. Now the so-called "values" are imprinted in all of our families and all they usually do is oppress each generation. It's the reason for racism, classism, tribalism, and everything else.
mikejpete 4 months ago
@mikejpete why would a women get paid to fuck strangers when she can do it for free, you probably think wage slavery is a choice. just because primitive behavior such as prostitution, slavery, racism, is only declining and still present does not mean there's no struggle, this only mean these 'values' continue on precisely because of attitudes where people delude themselves into pleasures over consequences. specifically in this case where women cheat against the long struggle of women's rights.
architect333 4 months ago
@architect333 cheat against women's rights? The delusion is to think that woman's rights isn't also about sexual liberation and removing their guilt from doing what they want to do. The "primitive" behavior is the monetary system.
mikejpete 4 months ago
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mikejpete 4 months ago
@mikejpete Women are free to do whatever they want sexually. The problem is to stop the line at wage slavery put forth by the recent monetary system you criticize where it's ok for women AND men to be treated as commodities as long as profit is made. This is against the history of women's struggle for rights or just human slavery. man n women were once equal hunter gatherers in order to survive, then corruption of civilization changed the status of men n women as life became easier...
architect333 4 months ago
@mikejpete ...Women as sex servants for pharaohs or men as slaves, later 'reproduction machines' for middle ages, after the enlightenment values, gaining rights n equality. If you uphold certain values it's degrading, if not, then your right nothing wrong with it or the way the world is today, if unlimited freedom is your case, can you not see the irony criticizing the monetary system. we give up certain rights equally in order to have true liberty, equality, and values in human interaction.
architect333 4 months ago
@architect333 We have the technology to eliminate these would-be consequences and put destinies into the hands of the individual without infringing upon others. It's only degrading if it's the only option and the only thing encouraged is for women to see themselves as objects. But if they should have the liberty to make that choice for themselves in a free and open society. The problem is that historically one gender has been able to capitalize on sex.
mikejpete 4 months ago
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@architect333 giving them the ability to direct and start their own enterprise through the selling of their own bodies is a step up from having an abusive pimp.
mikejpete 4 months ago
@architect333 but it's not like women aren't watching porn. Great changes have made way, from wage equality, to greater numbers of female college graduates as opposed to males and CEO's as well. The sex industry as well has become more equalized with stars becoming directors.
mikejpete 4 months ago
@mikejpete As I said, it's about values, not rights, as far as I'm aware, porn's legal almost everywhere, what value does the exploitation of sex bring to society? it treats women like sex objects and goes directly against the values produced by higher mental faculties such as intimacy, connection,love, respect for the human body. This is degrading to those who want to uphold these values and treat humans on another level, as for those who don't care, "it's their problem." I think that's fair.
architect333 4 months ago
@architect333 exploitation of sex or sexual expression and empowerment. Sex is one of the most powerful expressions of intimacy, love, and connection. I think that's highly self-righteous. How is it degrading to you if it has nothing to do with you? As society becomes more liberalized, more and more couples have become open to watching this degrading thing together and learning. It just depends on your point of view. There are plenty of porn genre's that I would never look at or defend.
mikejpete 4 months ago
@mikejpete Sex for money is the most powerful expression of intimacy, love, and connection? I think you might be confused with what the majority of porn is all about. women are degraded in almost all porn to arouse man's lust of power over her in order to make profit. Girls are used like china factory workers, some are successful. The industry is surrounded with alcohol,drugs,nightlife, all possible on an easy buck, there are videos on love making,teaching,education, not even considered porn.
architect333 4 months ago
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mikejpete 4 months ago
@architect333
""goes directly against the values produced by higher mental faculties such as intimacy, connection, love, respect for the human body.""
You're basically the left wing version of a right wing authoritarian moralist douche attempting to shame people about what they get off to in their personal lives.
Rahab111222 1 month ago
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mikejpete 4 months ago
@architect333 sex for money is not what I said and you know it. I said sexual expression, many get off and are paid for it, is it really that complicated? Imagine telling a music artist getting paid for making music is exploitation. Sex is an art just like love is and they don't always have to be synonymous. "degraded in almost all porn" many of the up and coming producers and directors are women actually. They love what they do and they love that they get paid doing it.The best are clean.
mikejpete 4 months ago
@mikejpete your comments get removed? anyway sex for money is what were talking about here, not private sex in general, you seem to want to merge the 2 pretending it's the same, ignoring the practices of industry in reality. the majority of girls are in it for the easy money and are exploited. others take advantage of easy money and therefor enjoy it, after all its a job, all this suggests degrading. it's a matter of values as you illustrate by agreeing to certain aspects you wouldn't support.
architect333 4 months ago
@architect333 yeah you do have a point about the "most" and "easy money", but my favorites are the dominating stars who enjoy what they do. And I removed certain comments for spelling mistakes XD
mikejpete 4 months ago
@architect333 although what you reference as not being "considered porn" I do agree is very positive. There's a program called White Tiger Tantra that made my first relationship amazing.
mikejpete 4 months ago
i think you guys are missing the point.
chomsky is a 90 year old man cutt him some fucking slack
bobsdadsbird 9 months ago
@bobsdadsbird for a man considered the most respected public intellectual in academia he is certainly not above criticism. Also I believe it illustrates the man's preconceived notions of power relations, human nature, and societal structure prevents the man making the most basic moral distinctions.
RaySquirrel 9 months ago
There were many white people who were lynched in the South. Does this mean that the lynching of black victims was not a racist practice? Get real.
constipatedart 10 months ago
unfortunately, chompsky is too old to understand that not only are some women just whores, but the MAJORITY of porn on the internet is "amateur", with a whole lot of it being girls making webcam vids.
i won't fault him for not knowing that though.
also, the last back and forth is "fucking" gold.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
@666norton420 It's fairly obvious that the topic in hand regards the professional pornography industry, specifically Hustler Magazine. And besides that, if a teen girl is convinced by her boyfriend to a ejaculation in her face while taping it, and then having it spread digitally around the globe, how is it less degrading then if she's 25 and paid to do it? If it's amateur or professional is irrelevant in a discussion regarding the presence of degradation in porn.
CrustVegan 1 year ago
@CrustVegan "if a teen girl is convinced by her boyfriend"
You cannot make an argument for someone else. I'm assuming you have not been in a relationship with a "modern" woman who is utterly sexually liberated.
Not all people are morons and are quite able to make decisions for themselves. If a woman wants to do all sorts of sexual activities and then upload them to the world, that's their prerogative.
Also, "professional" is being horribly out numbered by amateurs.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
@666norton420 Apparently you've never been in business with todays "modern" women who loves working 15 hours a day for virtually nothing.
CrustVegan 1 year ago
@CrustVegan i have no idea what that comment has to do with anything. :)
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
@CrustVegan So you've been paying chicks to bust loads on their faces on camera for extra income, is that what you're trying to tell us? But seriously even if hard economic conditions do serve as a coercive force in people's employment decisions, that doesn't serve as an excuse to force people to not do whatever work that they choose to UNDER the conditions that they live in. That would just make things worse. There's other things a person can choose to do for income besides make porn
dubified89 10 months ago
@CrustVegan 'A teen girl is convinced by her boyfriend', nice manipulative choice of scenario there. What about if she convinced him to do a sex video and he regretted it later after the video spread? You don't see this scenario as plausible because you view women as perpetual children who need to be minded after and not be allowed to make their own decisions. Lest they might be 'convinced' to do something you don't want them to by some evil man. She can't be allowed to decide for herself
dubified89 10 months ago
@666norton420 I don't know if it's about age as much as it is ideology. Leftists put women on a pedestal and leftist males have a secular modern kind of version of chivalry where basically they seek to rescue women from their sexual imposes. Under the guise that sexuality is 'socially constructed' and they're the elite vanguard group that sees through it and knows better than everyone else. It may sound like I'm making this up the blunt way I'm wording it but I've read a lot of of their works
dubified89 10 months ago
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@dubified89 - as a leftist I can assure you, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
EyeLean5280 7 months ago
@666norton420 Leftists seek to liberate women from their innate sexual nature and bring them into a relationship with either a beta male who can't arouse them at a base level or a feminist lesbian partner. Under the guise that sexuality is 'socially constructed' and that natural healthy male-female dynamic is an oppressive form of hierarchy. And the left are the enlightened group that can see through the social construction so that earns them the right to tell everyone else how to live
dubified89 10 months ago
@dubified89 In my opinion what motivates them is fear, of reality, nature and themselves.
dubified89 10 months ago