Republican Tea Party Debate 2011, Ron Paul Answers on Health Care

[WJcafferky]

This makes me feel physically sick. They're talking about this hypothetical like it's some form of vermin control. It's not "communism" it's compassion.

[blastsummit]

paul's a raving lunatic

[sceptiquele]

Dear America,

sometimes you're fuckin' scary.

Sincerely yours,

the rest of the world

[WhiskeyRiverRifleman]

its was obamas shills who screamed "let em die" I am so sick of people misrepresenting RP's Views, grow the fuck up Americans, be the people your grandparents were, not the douchebags you are becoming.

[Ragedhard]

@WhiskeyRiverRifleman

The older generation are in fact the people that got us here.

If we're going to get out of this spot the first thing we need to do is separate ourselves from those fools.

[frances2112]

Ron Paul is a crazy fuck!

[nselck]

i guess there is a difference between choosing not to have healthcare insurance,og simply not being able to pay for one.You will never have a peaceful,sustainable and socially/economically growing society,when you have a large group of people dying on the streets,along with poor public transportation(due to lack of tax-dollars to develop it).And contributions to 3.world contries also get smaller when you lower your taxes, which doesn't quite lead to a stable global situation. i don't get it?

[britomart78]

Well, after living in Europe for 3 years and then returning to the US and hearing the opinions on health care from many candidates, I'm not surprised someone yelled 'Yeah' when asked to let the man die.

It's just a funny correlation.

[IbleachBlack]

its the mans fault for not having a medical plan just shows what people do with freedome

[Las291]

If he hadn't been interrupted, Paul was trying to explain that part of having freedom is also having responsibility. This 30 year old man, if so healthy, should have a major medical policy (which under Paul's ideal government, would be very cheap) in case of an emergency. If he did not, then we should not be FORCED to care for him, the way we are today, but we should be given the CHOICE to care for him through our donations and churches.

[p179894]

why doesnt all the ron paul supporters know this?

[SoEyeSay]

@p179894 You mean that the "Ron Paul wants uninsured to die" bit is a lie?

[ashwadhwani]

MEDIA QUESTION UGH

RON NEVER SAID LEAVE HIM TO DIE, THESE WORDS WERE INTRODUCED UNNECESSARILY BY THIS PIECE OF SHITE GUY WHO ASKED THE QUESTION IN THIS WAY

IT IS NOT EVEN DIGNIFIED TO ASK SUCH A QUESTION !!!

ONE SHOULD ASK RON PAUL WHAT WOULD HE SUGGEST AS A SOLUTION TO SUCH A SCENARIO

YOU THINK RON WILL SAY "LET HIM DIE???

IS THAT WHAT YOU PRESSTITUTE MEDIA R UPTO AGAIN??

ALSO THIS GUY WILL SAVE ON TAXES IF RON WINS SO HE CAN PUT HALF OF THAT IN HEALTHCARE, OR SOMEONE LOVES HIM TO CARE OF HIM

[SoEyeSay]

The question is "WHO SHOULD PAY FOR THE TREATMENT?" Ron Paul says "not the government". He doesn't say, or even imply, "Let him die". The hypothetical coma jerk can pay for it himself when he comes to in 6 months.

[Ex0dus111]

@SoEyeSay So he wakes up in massive debt ?

Howbout just a public option, save massive amounts of money and create a better healthier citizenship.

[ashwadhwani]

@SoEyeSay AND Ron Paul replied a no immediately, even before anyone else got the question

[musakme357]

this is just one man. no family. it's expensive. it's not fair that people are going to die just because he can't afford it. the government should ensure the welfare of its citizens.

[kazbh89]

@musakme357 but the problem is we in this country made the mistake of having ANY kinda dependency on the govt. the only people we should depend on most importantly is ourselves. besides im sure the all of us have some sort of connections to friends, families, churches, etc. my question is if we cant trust our govt can we really depend on something you can trust?

[LoneWolf9435]

he is not suggesting that we abolish all public welfare/medical support. The example used was a person who had the financial ability to get his own insurance but chose not to. GOGO Ron Paul!!!

[KidGetsHisShitOwned]

he is so right! this whole country was based on the ideas that we the people choose for ourselves and make our own risks and decisions... without the government telling us what to do or how to do it! and if you think taxpayers should pay for the health care of an idiot who made his own choice to not have health care thats ridiculous! im not saying let him die, im saying treat him (as Ron said), then have him pay for it himself, or be penalized for it

[JoobyFoo]

Ron Paul... with socialized medicine. I can dream, right?

[lespaulrentals]

@JoobyFoo

Dennis Kucinich. Look him up.

[SovereignStatesman]

@JoobyFoo

Only if I get to dream of Obama and a flat tax.

[ambigroove]

People dont like to hear that they are responsible for their decisions and to not be held accountable instead of government taking care of them. Of course, if you served in the military, the government should have taken care of that guys healthcare.

[RareJolteon]

This is disgusting.

[ambigroove]

@RareJolteon know whats going to be more disgusting? When the system collapses and EVERYBDODY is going to have to fend for themselves. That time is coming. I dont care if your a democrate or republican. Only a fool cannot see that the current system is no longer sustainable.

[RareJolteon]

@ambigroove Cool, not what I meant. What's disgusting is some guy cheering the thought of someone dying who wasn't in the right position to pay for his health care. I don't care about either system, but I'm not going to cheer about death like I would if my team just won the Super Bowl.

[surgeyX]

@RareJolteon

I don't think they were cheering for death, rather cheering for life and liberty -- the freedom to determine our OWN destinies without a government babysitter telling us what to do and forcing things upon us. Government getting involved in health care just drives costs up (as congressman Paul said) and helps no one in the end. The quality of care goes down and the price goes up, and good doctors are in short supply because no one wants to work in a system like that.

[JoobyFoo]

@ambigroove what destroyed your optimism?

[TruthinessDotCom]

@RareJolteon I agree with you 100%. I hadn't heard anything so disgusting and disturbing since Heinrich Luitpold Himmler.

[moonstonevision]

Rich people only care about themselves. I hope you supporters of conservative profit driven greed don't get screwed as badly as me, who has a fatal illness and will need transplant(s). New Mexico no longer pays for transplants. I fear NY will folow if conserves have their way. NY medicaid no longer covers anti-rejection drugs, so even if they help with the transplant, its certain I will die soon after. Sometimes I think people would rather I go off and die. It would be so much cheaper. I'm 31.

[jjenson2006]

Thumbs up if you never heard of a person going into a coma and being refused medical treatment by a hospital because they didn't have the proper coverage.

[goldenthroat86]

@jjenson2006 It happened here in Chicago about 10 years ago. The girl didn't have insurance and was turned away. She died on the hospital grounds.

[jjenson2006]

@goldenthroat86 "It happened here in Chicago about 10 years ago."

10 years ago? Is this your example? Nothing recent?

Where's the story? I never heard of it. It's illegal to turn down a patient in the emergency room. If it's true (and I don't see any proof of this), it goes a lot deeper than insurance.

What do you think happens when someone is unconcious and they have no identification on them. Do you think a hospital will leave them there until they awaken and produce insurance?

[goldenthroat86]

@jjenson2006 No, nothing more recent that I've heard of. It was at the Ravenswood Memorial Hospital in Chicago. I was taken to their ICU about 2 weeks after it happened. The hospital was almost completely empty of patients. They had to close down shortly after that.

[goldenthroat86]

@jjenson2006 But hey. "Let 'em die!" Right?

[jjenson2006]

@goldenthroat86 "But hey. "Let 'em die!" Right?"

There are no shortages of stories about people in other countries with universal health care that were put on a waiting list that if they didn't fly here to America and pay for their services, they would be dead. It's one thing for someone who doesn't have any money to pay for health care and another for someone who has the money but cannot pay for it.

....but let them die right?

[MrApollo1991]

omg what an idiot he would let that man die. I´m happy to life in germany the gouvernment here cares for us ;)

[fujiujijii]

Every moron gets a voice

[skyeminer]

The people having a fit over Ron Paul's answer to this question don't understand this simple concept: if someone has a right to a good or a service without producing that good or service themselves or earning the money to pay for it themselves, then those producing that good or service are being forced to produce without compensation or are compensated by taking from other productive people. In short they want everyone to be slaves to everyone else.

[eoinroe]

What about the Hippocratic oath he took when becoming a doctor: I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

[fububalla]

Ron Paul's probably my favorite on the stage but his perspective is not only ethically questionable but its also socially destabilizing. Imagine the millions of communities trying take care of the millions of uninsured who can't afford or aren't allowed to have receive medical care.

we DON'T live in the 1960's it is 2011 right now.

[pictureBigger]

ron paul is the man. he's the common fricken sense man.

[nospambert]

Churches don't have MRI or X-Ray machines. That was a bullshit answer.

[Heofonbeacen]

@nospambert What he meant by that is there used to be a day when, say, you needed an operation and you couldn't afford it, the community (i.e., churches, neighbors, friends) would come together to help out one of their own. Nowadays everyone seems to expect the government to step in and take care of it for them, which is bureaucratizes health care and drives up the cost of procedures and medications. This, in turn, creates an environment where people rely on the government to take care of them.

[goldenthroat86]

@Heofonbeacen Charity begins at home, right? Unfortunately in reality, it doesn't usually work that way. When I was seriously ill, my family and friends abandoned me. I couldn't work and lost my home, my job, everything that I owned. Had it not been for the government help that I received, I would not now be a working, tax paying citizen. I'd be dead.

[jjenson2006]

@goldenthroat86 "Had it not been for the government help that I received, I would not now be a working, tax paying citizen. I'd be dead."

How do you know that for sure? Did you check yourself into an emergency room? No, of course you didn't.

[RandomShellAccount]

@nospambert

Ummm MORON, churches were founders of some of the largest and most expansive HOSPITALS in history.

You ever wonder where all the Hospitals with the "Catholic" or "Saint" or "Sister" names come from. Fuck man, are you that dumb or just being sarcastic?

"Little company of Mary" ..."St. Johns"????????????????????????

Do you think he meant literal CHURCHES took care of patients....right next to the statue of Jesus?

[adamskyb]

See everyone is making this sound bad like Paul is heartless, especially on tv...and it is not bad at all once you watch the whole statement. They only play part on tv.  He is right!!!!!!!

[PivotB3stZ]

I agree 1 hundred percent!

Societies where only rich get in to quality healthcare?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Go look at documentaries of Cuba and Canada's healthcare and see the difference between people with money and their healthcare and people without.

Ron Paul 2012

[electronicoffee]

@PivotB3stZ Actually yeah, I have seen many documentaries on Healthcare in Canada, Sweeden, Cuba, and other socialized medicine in countries and it works just fine. Some things that are optional, can be refused but just like America you can go find a specialist and have them work on you for normal payment options that are REASONABLE and not gouging you like American specialists.

[trapedd]

@electronicoffee I live in Sweden, and seriously the waiting list, have to wait for 6-8 months or even years in some cases to get an operation, people travel to other countries to get the operation done.. not working.

[electronicoffee]

@trapedd DUH. Even here in AMERICA we have to wait sometimes weeks or months for an operation. What kind of operation? Especially if it's a complicated one, expensive one, or one that is for cosmetic surgury, of course you can be expected to be on a waiting list. Regardless, I know LOADS of people from Sweden (2 of my ex's) and they have gotten broken ankles and appendixes operated on within hours. It depends on the level of emergency and the current available staff. Duh.

[PivotB3stZ]

@electronicoffee Please post a link, I can post a link of my documentary I watched, and will, but first I would like to see one of these "many" documentaries that you have claimed to show socialized healthcare as a good option.

[13stevejohnson]

the problem is charity doesnt work and the whole point of health care in a social sense is that we dont want a society where just rich people get quality health care. also ron paul keeps saying others pay for him. this is not true, im sure within socialized medicine the person in the coma pays taxes. so he is paying for his health care. then it gets to the point where paul will say the rich will bear most of the burden. this is true, but rich people cant get rich without oppression of the poor

[electronicoffee]

@13stevejohnson The person in the coma has paid into taxes their whole life up until (and after, if there is one) the coma. Socialized medicine works FINE in every first-world country and Ron Paul is a LIAR.

[13stevejohnson]

@electronicoffee I totally agree man. im a big supporter of cooperation within economics. seems that paul believes in business ownership and want to protect the freedom of exploitation. this is why he will always say the rich bear the biggest burden, what paul doesnt realize is that the rich are getting rich because of increased productivity of labor. 

[deeppurple28]

I wonder who are the TARDS that screamed YEAH! Those Fascist Traitors should be SHOT!

[MRDA2611]

@deeppurple28 Oh, the irony of your comment!

[SovereignStatesman]

@deeppurple28

It was obviously some college-kid, they're idiots.

Ron Paul doesn't know much about business and law, particularly regarding risk-management and public interest.

Basically, a business-lawyer like me would have said that the government needs to impose a tax against uninsured people, in order to indemnify itself against inevitable costs imposed by risks.

Obama's main error was claiming that it WASN'T at tax-- and thus he lied to the People and passed an unconstitutional law.

[ladysharkkk]

@deeppurple28 you call them ¨fascist traitors¨ and who is wanting them to be SHOT? you are just afraid of him because he's telling the truth!