Some Christians do keep the Old Testament laws, they are are known as Sabbatarians. The biggest of these groups are the Seventh Day Adventists. But Herbert W. Armstrong started the Worldwide Church of God and taught obedience to the Ten Commandments, observe the Holy Days of Leviticus 23, taught to eat only clean meats (Lev 11), and observe the Saturday Sabbath. We also adhere to British Israelism, believing the Jews cannot claim to be Israel, but only Judah. Essentially the Torah are God's laws
@herbertwarmstrong there are christians who observe a form of "Old" Testament laws as literally stated, and usually in a very selective manner, as you've outlined. Even the 10 Commandments ("Statements") cannot be observed without looking to the rest of Written Torah, and Written Torah, when followed, naturally produces an "Oral" Torah (even if you reject the idea of an Oral Torah "given" by G-d, judgements rendered would create precedents for future legal decisions by a court).
@herbertwarmstrong so anyone trying to observe Written Torah, will end up creating some type of oral tradition of their own, no different than a christmas or easter tradition. Once this happens, and it does, don't they become guilty of "adding" to the commandment, the very criticism made against the rabbis? And no one of these groups can point to a history of their "observance", only a recent notion that without the "Old" Testament, theirs is a baseless faith. on that point, they are correct.
For those of you able to grasp simple logic unlike Dejan2116, the Torah says in Wayikra 18:5 (Leviticus) "which a man do he shall live in them." So the Torah does indeed promise life for those that do their best to keep it. It can't be kept without error. That is not the purpose. Kipur (atonement/forgiveness) for miss stepping HaSheim only gives to those doing their best to keep it. Read it in Hebrew. You will find it!
The problem is, no man can do Torah, and therefore no man shall live. That's the point. That's why you need a Savior. That's why Jesus came, to save you from the curse of the Torah. You have not kept Torah. Look into your heart and see how many times you break Torah. When have you ever seen HaSheim forgive without a sacrifice? You need a perfect sacrifice; you need God to sacrifice on your behalf. And this was Jesus the Messiah. You missed God's grace and chose empty tradition..
@Dejan2116 Do you think I haven't heard your line of confusion before. I left Xtianity because I figured out that HaSheim doesn't make empty promises like you. It simply is illogical and can not be true. You have only your rote repetition of empty offers of salvation. You are not to be pitied but are quite pitiful. Learn some Hebrew, learn something. Shabbat, kashrut, family purtiy are not empty. Your promises are empty.
You don't keep Shabbat or kashrut, and you do not have family purity. You fool yourself and judge yourself righteous by your own standards, not by Hasheim's. The law was given to make you see your errors, NOT to make you think you can keep it. You miss the point of the law, too! You are just like your people of old who could never discern the voice of God when it called. To you God sent the prophets, but you closed your ears and shut your eyes. You don't understand Christianity.
@Dejan2116 I forgot. You Xtians teach us Jews about Torah. My mistake. You don't know ridiculous you sound. Who told you I don't keep Shabbat or kashrut or are you the one that put a camera in my bedroom so you know about the instruction of family purity? Clean out your ears and get this straight. You are repeating what you have heard and you can't confirm any of it. You are dead according to Torah and Torah was well before your Null Testament and Torah destroys your Null Testament.
Everyone who is not a born-Jew or orthodox convert is considered Bnei Noach according to the Encyclopedia Judaica and orthodox Judaism. "The term "sons of Noah" is, in rabbinic usage, a technical term including all human beings except those whom Jewish law defines as being Jews." EJ 12;1190 Noachide Laws. So supposedly keeping seven laws is meaningless. Full Torah observance or nothing. That makes a consistent Singularity. netzarim.co.il
@Yirmeyahu924 Since others may be confused by your comments, let me clarify your point from end to beginning. You believe in a consistent "Singularity". Nothing wrong with that. You believe that anyone who observes Torah, less than "Full" might as well do nothing, ergo observing the "7" is meaningless. Can a priest observe laws given to women? or women observe the laws given to priests? yet they each, following the Singularity can be fully observant of the one Torah... as a Noahide can.
@prescottjohnson If others are diligent enough to look up the reference in EJ they won't be confused. They also shouldn't be confused by Shemot 12:49, "there shall be one Torah for the native born and the resident alien," as it seems to confuse some. Maybe you can teach Torah observant Jews like myself what that means?
@Yirmeyahu924 if you are citing EJ as an authoritative source, does this source also support your statement that it is meaningless for non-Jews to keep the 7 laws, or does EJ tell us that non-Jews are required to observe these laws? If there are punishments to be meted out for not observing them or reward for keeping them, or permission for Noahides to observe additional laws, how can you say "full observance or nothing"?
@prescottjohnson EJ is a source to understand Jewish thought. If EJ should print the Aseret HaDibrote would the ten commandments be according to EJ? The reference in EJ says "in rabbinic usage." But while this is the distinction between Jew and Bnei Noach, it DOES NOT define WHO is in the Brit of Har Sinai nor does it define the entrance qualifications to enter the Brit of Har Sinai. Notice esp Devarim 6:2. This also deletes the earlier rabbinic woman/priest straw man you mentioned.
@Yirmeyahu924 EJ: "The Seven Laws - Laws which were supposed by the Rabbis to have been binding upon mankind at large even before the revelation at Sinai, and which are STILL binding upon non-Jews." This is not about Jews or converts (re. Sh 12:43-49) but about non-Jews. EJ also states: Decapitation is often the punishment for violation of the 7Laws and that "He who observed the seven Noachian laws... was assured of a portion in the world to come." So EJ begs to differ on your conclusion.
@prescottjohnson Let's cut the crap. You are saying that you can attain kipur by keeping seven laws but a Jew must keep 613. All you have is modern rabbinic excuses for this inequity when a child can see that HaSheim can't be so inequitable. Or you are just following the rabbis because they are suppose to know. Welcome back to church.
@Yirmeyahu924 I am saying that when you quote EJ to establish a point in your argument (how one should undestand Jewish thought - your words) and ask others to check it out for themselves, I did exactly that. So if you wish to take the EJ to task, fine. I simply did a word search and found that EJ (ergo, Jewish thought) disagrees with you. And the EJ cites a number of non-"modern" sources. Take your complaint to the rabbis who disagree with you. I have a list of them if that would be helpful.
@prescottjohnson EJ can be correct and incorrect. It depends on the subject. But the matter is whether the logic of Torah holds in one's reasoning, mine, yours, the rabbis, the sages, whoever. The issue is kipur and the Torah is unequivocal that it is granted to those that are non-selectively Torah observant. For a rabbi to teach against that Torah or any other part of Torah makes him wrong.
@prescottjohnson You still need to come up with a reason why HaSheim chose two different ways which is not explicit or implicit in Torah for Jews and non-Jews (Bnei Noach). Until now all you have is the rabbis said so.
You are either putting your trust in rabbis or following your own eyes and heart. Both are doomed but you add to the destruction by leading others astray. You imply the whole Torah was given to the Jewish people so the safe thing would be to guide people to that.
trinity, teaching jews to keep torah any less zealously than they should have before jesus, calling the torah-ordained rabbinical authority 'commandments of men', calling anyone but the heavenly father your savior, teaching a system of atonement that is contrary to the tanakh. for starters.
We need to differ Law from Gospel. To preach that you have to change your life is to preach Law. And the Law is a "schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ". There is no help in the Law but only in the Gospel. The Law makes us in need of Christ so that we may come to Him and rest from everything. Then we can know that our salvation is in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and not in how we change (how we follow the Law).
to avoid clutter on this page, here is what i propose. you look at the evidence i have taken the effort to provide in my videos. i did this so that i wouldn't need to confine myself to 500 words at a time to defend what Acts plainly reveals. if you won't do that, then simply refrain from using old cliches that ignore clear contrary evidence in YOUR New Testament. if you don't wish to inform yourself in the way provided, simply don't post. is that too much to ask? you seem to have time.
So Since God promised the New Covanent would be NOTHING like the Old Covanent in Moses(Jeremiah 31:31) it is absurd to think that we have to keep those dietary laws and animal sacrafices once the New Covanent comes, otherwise God would be lying by saying it is a different covanent.
Jesus is LORD, todays Judaism is Satanism, anti-Christ satanism in its hypocricy.
And these are the Jews that Jesus called "A Synogogue of SATAN"(Revelation 3:9)
@Dejan2116 Try finishing the context of Yirmeyahu 31:31 Read to 31:33 "after these days I will put my TORAH into their innermost being!" But you probably can't read Hebrew right?
Yeah, a new Torah, written upon their hearts in the New Covenant in Christ. What the law could not do for you, Christ your God did. So come to him, or forever feel the guilt of being unable to keep the law. You know by experience that what I say is true. "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man" (Romans 8:3).
@Dejan2116 No I don't know your experience and neither does anyone else, that is why it is YOUR experience and that it why the Torah calls it "following your own eyes and heart." Bemidbar 15:39 If you can't read Torah plainly in Yirmeyahu 31:33 that it is the same Torah not one you redefine , then have your crazy g-d. He is you. The One that gave the Torah is perfect and perfect doesn't have Plan B. No second Torah. It would be funny if your reasoning wasn't so sad.
God didn't mess up the first time. He merely progressed in his revelation. Don't you get it? The whole Torah was given to your people to show them their utter inability to keep the law, to show YOU how bad you are. You need salvation from the law; the law is your enemy, your judge, not a friend. "For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to obtain righteousness" (Romans 10:3).
@Dejan2116 Right. HaSheim didn't mess up. You need to progress, He doesn't. You can't even read the Hebrew to know that Torah means "instruction" not law. Therefore His instruction is perfect, no need for progression or change. You need kipur according to Torah. That is defined by HaSheim. Not by Paul the apostate.
Of course his instruction is perfect, and no need for change. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying all of the ritual sacrifices that your people did, all of the laws that were given to Moses, find their ultimate fulfillment in the sacrifice of Jesus, the Messiah, whom you have totally missed in your scriptures. The whole point of the Torah is to show you Christ, but you have missed HaSheim's instruction....
I believe in the Torah. I just see its true purpose. It's purpose was to show how bad I am, how disobedient I am before God. You think its purpose is to benefit you, but you are wrong. The Torah will do nothing but condemn you on the last day, because you have never kept even one instruction that HaSheim has ever given. I see my salvation is found in Jesus the Messiah, God in the flesh. What the law could not do, He did for me. Accepting the NT is the true meaning of Torah.
@Dejan2116 Your belief in Torah is BS. Your works are evil or you would turn to Torah. You have no light which is defined as Torah. You have no fruit which is defined by Torah. You must be a recording. If you are only a brain stem then you shouldn't be trying to convince anyone of the lie of Jzeus and the NT. Sorry I took up time and space here on you.
That's okay. You have judged yourself unworthy of the good news of God's grace in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Continue in your fruitless journey of keeping the law, not that you ever can or have kept it. Some people just do not accept the truth when it's given to them, and you never will, unless the Spirit of God works within you. The Torah is good and holy; it's so good and holy it will condemn all those who have not kept it on the last day. You need salvation bro.
Hi excatholics... did I get that correct... there is more than one of you?? :)
I was never a Christian? I never knew J.C. in a personal way?
I'm assuming that, being an excatholic, that Bible verse could be said of you... by catholics, of course? If someone said that you were a church-goer, not a REAL catholic, would you agree with that? I mean, if you were a REAL catholic, you would not have left catholicism, would you? that verse is a safe but sad way of dealing with the contrarians.
another borg? (see wiki entry). you (singular) may not "receive" my testimony, but you (singular) really can't speak for we (plural). and my testimony has the same merit as yours, i suspect, that being an account of my own personal experience, unique to me, from which others may find similar to their own and thus find mutual affirmation from their common experiences (see above responders).
Ya ya pal, I know how sects can impact people, and my dad himself believes in Hinduism because of those same "Personal Experiences" you hold so dear to. It is sad that people rather trust in their 'personal experiences' and their own heart, rather than the Living God. Open up Proverbs 28:26 its for you.
your comment implies that on cannot be an ex-christian. if i say i used to be, i am a liar. so while i thought i was, i really wasn't and just didn't know that. which means that the tens of thousands who will in the near future go from thinking they were christians (but really aren't), just simply don't realize they are not presently. this means that you can't be sure that you are either. so you are not really speaking for "we" because you aren't sure you are part of the "we."
No, you were the type of Christian that I use to be, a hypocritical worker of iniquity. Shame on me but God forgave me, and you gave up on the faith and left, why are you giving into doctrines of demons and going back to Judaism when it cannot sanctify you no longer, good luck keeping all the law perfectly, thats what the law requires, and you or I cannot mean those standards. Only the Messiah can save us, and that Messiah is Jesus Christ.
If you read the book of Hebrews you would know those questions.
Yes, the law of Moses is still in effect, but is passing away as the Old Covanent. The reason the Law was given was so that mankind can be condemned in its iniquity and to bring forth Messiah.
If you read Daniel 9:24-26 Yes Jesus stopped all sacrafices that God allows, all of the sacarfices from Abraham to Malachi point to the ultimate Sacrafice of the Messiah(Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26).
So how do you know when a particular Law passes, since you seem to think it is still in passing? When does observing a seventh day rest pass away, or keeping dietary requirements, or the command to not covet?
So after Jesus' death, there are no more sin offerings, burnt offerings or guilt offerings necessary?
If you think a man can stop working on the Sabbath, this is false, we can never stop working. The Sabbath itself is stoping work that only help yourself, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day. Yet in Christ is my Sabbath and I dont have to follow the Old Covanent Sabbath day.
So many people are hypocrits, for example, When it comes to lusting after women its okay, but when it comes to eating pork, NO NO NO, its a sin, it will make me unclean!!! HYPOCRICY! Yes no more offerings.
Have you viewed any other videos of mine. if not, i would encourage to do so, as your conclusions about what Jesus did do not resonate with the practice of those Jews who actually walked and talked with Jesus. I would defend that here, but I already did on the videos. Go ahead and jump to 005 Many thousands of Jews believe... as these believing Jews not only "kept" Torah, they were "zealous" for Torah and continued offering all the sacrifices Christianity claims are "no more."
If you can show me one Historical evidence of true Christians continuing sacrafices(Even though the entire book of Hebrews was written to stop the Jews who were going back to animal sacrafices and Judaism)then I will consider it. But until then, the New Testament iteself is against such things, and the New Testament itself is the NEW COVANENT(Jeremiah 31:31) Like GOD Promised WOULD BE DIFFERENT thant he Old Covanent(Jeremiah 31:33) I can show you from the OT that Jesus is Messiah.
I assume you've read the book of Acts. And I assume you believe the book of Acts to be "inspired" and everything in it is absolutely true. Acts 21 has Paul, without objection, arranging to purchase 12 animals for sacrifices at the Temple for 4 "believing Jews" plus animals for Paul's sacrifices. 30 years after the cross. watch the videos.
I've read the Book of Acts... strange I never noticed that part. Please provide the verse number aswell and we will see who is being truthful here.
Sir, if you arent a Jew, the covanent of Moses cannot be for you, the only way Gentiles could be saved was through the Messiah(Isaiah 42:1) You cant just convert to Judaism, this is false, since you are no Jew.
Did you even crack the Book? How hard can it be to look up... one small little chapter? I could practically quote the chapter to you. Start around verse 18... wouldn't want you reading 18 unnecessary verses. :D
This isn't an interpretation and I am not wrong. Paul was asked to provide for the costs of 4 fellow believing Jews who wished to participate in a voluntary vow (a Nazirite vow...& please don't say that it wasn't, as NOBODY questions this point, they just miss the point). Read the obligations for a Nazirite vow in Numbers. A sin offering, burnt offering, guilt offering plus. Paul, had he not been arrested, would have also done this. Why did he do this? To prove he observed, as they, Torah.
Agreed, but Paul tells you why he did this in another verse, please read all all Paul and you will understand.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
These Jews were not to be "gained" as they already believed. If you read the text in Acts 21 again, you will see that Paul was asked to do these things to prove 1) he himself was a Torah observant Jew (not a pretend to be Jew when he's around Jews), & 2) that the rumor spread about him was a lie. what was the rumor? that he told Jews to abandon Torah, circumcision, etc. Christianity teaches that Paul said "no more Torah", but this exchange proves that conclusion false.
Lie, those Jews did not already believe, he wanted to win the Jews who were calling his ministry blasphemy, he was showing that Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism and that the Messiah has come, he was to win the Jews, so yes this explenation is sufficient.
Nope, Christianity teaches that the 10 commandments still stand(with exception on the sabbath because Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath(Luke 6:5) our Sabbath(rest) is in Christ.
Did you even read the text in Acts? James and the elders boast to Paul "see how many thousand of Jews BELIEVE and are zealous for the Law?" They believed. They believed the message of James and the apostles who actually walked and talked with JC.
and the "fading" glory that Paul spoke of in 1 Cor. were "written on stone" so he was talking about the 10 Commandments fading away, not the rest of the Law.
Have you ever read the New Testament? It's actually interesting in spots.
WHAT! So you think the 10 commandments are gonna fade away, but the other ones like eating Pork wont? ahhaha wow. This is exact opposite of what Jesus said, how sad you are to believe this.
My dads happy too in Hinduism, doesn't mean hes in the true faith. I've seen deception and let me tell you, it is so deceptive, that the person involved in it doesn't even know hes decieved.
Ya and 'believe' after Paul showed them the fact that Jesus is the Messiah, the fulfillment of the Law.
Its sad that you were a typical religious hypocrite claiming to be a Christian. The question isnt whether you went to Church, you can go to church all your life and still go to hell. Church isnt what saves you, its Jesus Christ.
And you never belonged to Christ, and do not know the Bible.
You realized that Jesus cannot be God? REALLY!!! Please show me where you got this from because the entire New Testament reveals that he is God, and not only the NT but the Old Testament aswell.
i honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. your inability to follow this conversation is an indication to me why you have an inability to comprehend a text...
you insisted that it's only the Ten Commandments which need to be followed (surgeon's knife to the 4th--reread your comments above). i responded to that by saying that Paul, your apostle, said that "which is engraved in letters of stone" is fading away in 2 corinthians 3. Torah wasn't engraved, it was spoken by God to Moses.
So that which is engraved, the Ten Commandments, is fading away, according to Paul. He wasn't referring to the remainder of Torah, as the remainder of Torah was not written in stone. Understand? You say 10 Commandments still need to be followed and the rest has been done away with. Paul says that it is the 10 commandments that are fading away.
hmmm...I'm wondering... where does it say that its only 9 Commandments that remain. Chapter and verse please.
No your taking 2 Cor 3:7 completely out of the context of the New Testament, it never says such things. You know yourself that Jesus himself preached the commandements, stop taking the New Testament out of context with the New Testament, that seems to be the problem with some people.
Paul is talking about the Jesus coming to save us from the condemnation of those laws, and is not saying that the commandements are done away with.
I dont care what if you laugh or cry, you should. Repent.
of where does it say that, the Jesus is the sabbath, if u believe in the 10 commandments you should revisit the 3rd, it's not "do not take my name in vain" it's do not desecrate my name. Jesus is dececation of the name of the most high, and giving him a pagan name, IZEUS which translates to son of ZEUS
Actually no, Yehsua is his Hebrew name, And Iesous is in Greek, no relation to Zeus, that's a little grammatical and languistic error on your part.
Jesus is Lord and God as the New Testament witnesses, the creator of all things, who entered into his own creation for the purpose of his own glory, amen.:) The True Triune God of the Scritpures.
But Yahshua was Hebrew not Greek, actually the Greeks were thrown out of the temple, giving us Hanukah" festival of lights.(pagain, Zeus, pig sacrafices)
So you should go back and understand what the word Hebrew means:
We start with the first Hebrew Abraham meaning to "cross over" cross over from Pagan worship to worshiping the True Deity of the heavens. Yahweh: The name of the Son is in the Father, Yahshua(I am Salvation)
If you continue to mix Hebrew with Greek (Paganism) your result will always fall short of the truth, truth with a lie always yeilds a lie.
We are forbidden in the Word of Yahweh to make mention of names of other gods, and surely not to call Him by these false names and titles ( jesus,lord,god, Ex. 23:13, Psalm 16:4).
No I am not Christian for Christians while probably being ephramites they worship pagan deities (Ba al Estar etc.) and disgrace the Torah and the Commands of Yahweh, perhaps they are ignorant but a time of maturity is at hand for Ephraims punishment is over now.
Visit my channel and watch the stream "two house" remember the messiah never came for Christians, and does not have any covenants with the world.
Mt. 15:24 I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisraĕl.
Is this why Isaiah 42 describes the Messiah saving the gentiles?
The word of God is hard to understand for those who are pereshing, and thats why many misquote Mt 15:24, without any meaningful exegesis of the text. You don't see who the Messiah is and do not understand the text of the Torah as you claim to do so.
The Bible says that NOT ALL ISREAL are the true Israel(Romnas 9:6-8)
You deny the teaching of Scripture and the words of Jesus, to preach to all gentiles(Mark 16,Mat 28:19).
The Lord's personal mission was to the Jews. Under the first commission his apostles were directed to go only to the Jews (Mat 10:6). It would be impossible to evangelize the Gentiles without setting aside the Jewish customs, the law of Moses. The Son should "keep the law blameless" during his ministry. It was only when the Jews crucified him "that the handwriting of ordinances was nailed to the cross," the "wall of partition" between Jews and Gentiles broken down & then gospel to all nations!
Yes thats the feed Christianity feeds you, which is commonly called Replacement Theology.
However its doctrine from the pit of hell.
If that was true then Yahshua would have worshiped on Sunday and eaten Pork to show us an example rather then confuse us.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves, let's clarify ourselves, he didn't die on a cross thats Catholic replacement doctorien,he died on a tree, There are 4 specific verses in the Re-Newed Testament to clarify this 4u.
If its doctrine from the pit of hell why is it consistant with Biblical Theology?
That shows an ignorance of the Greek language on your part, yes the verses that say Tree say Tree, but other verses say CROSS, and when Thomas saw him he said that Jesus had 2 NAILS holes in his HANDS, if it was a tree, his hands would only be thrust with ONE NAIL, NOT TWO, it had to be a CROSS stretching out each hand, 1 nail in each hand, 2 nails!
I know how the Greeks mistranslate the scriptures. Let me give you cause to think I'll diluted, the tree he died on was planted (2Sam15:30) by King David which is the rod given to Adam when he was cast out of the garden who gave it through the bloodline and finally Aaron when it budded almonds. Im short on space but you'll find the tree(rod) the messiah died on was the tree of life from the garden. enjoy your studies
Please read the New Testament and may the Spirit of God open your heart to repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, because I cannot convince you of the truth, if you are ever convinced it will be because of the holy spirit whom Christ sends upon those he shall save.
The Bible says that Jesus is YHWH(Hebrews 1:8-12, quoting Psalm 102:25-27 which is about the ETERNAL YHWH being applied to Jesus.)
I don't care if you are bipolar, and your fathers are the ones inherited falsehood, those who do traditions of man rather than the will of God, who practice all the traditions of Judaism but have no Lord in their lives, nothing at all. Shameful and evil.
Jesus is Lord and God, yet you say you can rebuke him? You are but dust, who are you to answer back to God?
He came for Israel durnig his ministry, but once he rose from the dead, the entire gospel went to the gentiles also.
A Hebrew Messiah? I agree, he is the Jewish Messiah, which would bring the gentiles to salvation in the Lord.
"FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, AND WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES; OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM."'
"nazareneisrael" this website will help you understand more we can chat if you have questions, or join others that know truth on paltalk (Christian chat room i forget the name of the room but at 7:45 pacific it's the most populated room 150+0Sabbath mornings see u there.
Jer 16:19 O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the nations shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.
One more thing the Jews didn't crusify him nor did the Romans.
Yahshua gave up his own life.
Joh 10:17 Because of this the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life, in order to receive it again.
Joh 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to receive it again. This command I have received from My Father.
Your teaching sir requres rejection of some texts of the New Testament, and acceptance of other texts, picking and choosing, it is in all ways inconsistant with what's presented in the New Testament. Why do you not let the Bible speak for the Bible? I agree that he layed down his own life on his own will:) to save his sheep. Is this consistant with your view of Jesus being sent only to Israel even after the Ressurection? Have you read Isaiah 42, the Messiah "A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES?"
Excuse me? Where is Ephraim scattared into the nations? WHAT? Where is this exegesis in this text? I am astonished at how the human mind can get around the clarity of God's word, and by the way it is not about Ephraim!! It is about the nations, the gentiles, a light TO THE NATIONS, it is not a light to the Jews in the nations, but TO THE NATIONS, so simple and so clear, do you know Hebrew sir?
Translations are not inspired; translations are what they say they are just translations. They are the scholars best efforts to bring the original languages into the spoken language of a people. But, in Hebrew there are certain words that cannot be translated. It is the judgment of the translators of
what word they decide to use in the text by the context. Sometimes they make mistakes. That is why we should learn Hebrew and then study from the Hebrew.
Please Sir do not start the journey in the re-newed testement, Start in The Beginning.Where the master asked us to start reading not the pagans like cosntintene and the catholic church. Here is your first hebrew word: "Beresheit", Genesis is the greek translation for it.
Isaiah 49 and 42 are all about the Messiah comnig to save Jews and Gentiles, why do you reject it for your own traditions, dont you know that you make the word of God void by your traditions?
Where did I say a translation is inspired?
But this is your problem, you read the Tanakh by your own traditions and refuse to let it speak for its self. You refuse to hear God, but want to hear him in the way that your itchy ears enjoy hearing him.
What are you asserting here with Hosea 2:16? A great crime is misinterpreting and falsly handeling the word of God, are you suggesting that Hosea 2:16 and 2:17 are the same word translated Baal, because its not, in 2:16 the word means master, and 2:17 it is the name of the false God of the Caananites, Ba'al.
i cover these points and more in the videos... quit the avoidance tactics and simply go to my youtube page and AFTER you've checked out my explanation of this event, prove me incorrect if you can do so (simply saying I'm wrong doesn't prove I'm wrong). I'd be happy to spend my time responding at that time. But the fact that you "didnt see any sacrafice" there means you haven't understood what you read.
You may have been a "church-goer for many, many years" but you were certainly never a Christian, which means a follower of Jesus, and you certainly never knew Jesus in a personal way, like all born again believers do.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us" (1 John 2:19)
read through these comments makes me glad i'm muslim, btw all u all are invited to it, theologically, like any invitation u can accept it or reject, thats ur call.
We don't choose a religion based on whether it's more socially appealing, more structured, more influential, attractive, with greater numbers, etc... Truth is truth, reality is reality, regardless of how sweet our sour it may taste to one's tongue.
Knowledge of 'truth' isn't always as simple as 'accepting or rejecting.'
Were we to simply 'accept' an invitation to another religion, without being sincerely convinced of it -- we would be violating universally recognized principles of honesty.
honestly yusef my reply would have only been about the deficiencies of the noahide movement and not an attempt to evangalize. but bc of the nature of the vid, n the theological burden placed on me to extend an invite to those i am familar with, i had pangs of guilt. it's not my duty to convince u of it, but merely to invite, the onus is thus on u to decide whether to accept or reject and logically to accept u have to be convinced.
Great video man :) And the only current 'official' voice for the Laws of Noah is the preservation of the instruction of the Mosaic Court preserved in Talmudic text. Your understanding of it for now depends upon your own Divinely blessed intellect, coupled with humility before the Almighty... until the Mosaic Court is restored, speedily and in our days, to the praise of our Maker.
Yeah, I thought according to our current Rabbinical Council that Noachides would have their own Sanhedrin and courts to rule over our own nations being that Jews have no jurisdiction outside Israel.
I thought the Sanhedrin has been in restoration since 2004? It's hard to increase in numbers if all we have to offer is a dry legalistic set of moral code devoid of spirituality and fellowship. No one agrees on anything, you have splits forming between "progressive" and "orthodox" Noachides as well as radical socialists trying to hijack the movement. Others leave for the liberal sects of Judaism because at least they can have participation in something. There is just no cohesion right now.
Placing emphasis on what the enemy is getting away with in sabotaging what we've found (as an extension to their secret war against the Jews) isn't constructive.
You want Noachide unity? It starts with me and you, not with talking about how bad things are. You realize that some of the people are probably pseudo-Noachide govt. cells, staging drama and scandal to demoralize the genuine, right?
So we've got it hard. Boohoo! We've come this far!
Identifying our problems is constructive. We need to get past using all of our energy just keeping the movement from blowing up on the launch pad. This is "me and you" having a real discussion about Noachide issues. New Noachides are popping up all over the world daily and we have absolutely no clue how many of us there are.
We need tight knit communities and we need to look out for each other just like the Jews do.
This doesn't mean that keepers of Noahide law are the same as Israelites in their obligations... but they are the same in their righteousness, and they are actualizing the purpose of the people of Israel -- that the world be filled with knowledge of the L-RD; Yishtaba7 Shemo l-3ad! (His Name be praised forever!)
I agree with the perspective that the Laws of Noah were not meant to be a total limitation upon the nations from further religious observance. It is merely the most basic level of observance allowed among the nations. There is no Noahide religion independent of Torath Mosha (the Divinely given Guidance given to Moses).
While it's true that the nations are not obligated to become Israelites, it's explicit in Talmudic law that additional commandments are the GOOD & PROPER path for ALL PEOPLE.
How many 'noahides' have read the laws of noah even once? I'm not refering to the simplified list of 7 laws (which often include distortions of the 7 laws totally without basis in Talmudic law).
Education and community is the greatest challenge.
Noahide Law FORBIDs religious innovation among the nations (& among the people of Israel, independent of the principles of interpretation in the context of the Beth Din ha-Gadol).
Noahides are ALLOWED to adopt Jewish practices - few exceptions.
Although all non-Jews are technically Noachides, when I say Noachides I'm referring to the people who actually believe in G-d and commit themselves to fully observing the laws. I believe we are at sixty six specific laws at this time and no one really knows when they will be fully broken down. My complaints weren't really a cry for "religion" and I definitely do not want to "Christianize" Noachism with needless bureaucracy either just in case someone took it that way.
Most Jews are extremely unlearned in practical Talmudic law, including religious Jews. [This in NO WAY compares to the general unlearnedness of the nations] We must repent as a people, and return to learning the instruction of the Holy One, and to serving Him in awe-filled trepidation and love. Again, this doesn't make the nations any better.
sanhedrin just means councel... it doesn't necessarily refer to a supreme court. There is also such a thing as a "sanhedrin qatan [small]."
It is correct that one of the 7 laws of Noah is that the nations THEMSELVES establish FOR THEMSELVES courts of law to teach and enforce the Laws of Noah. This does NOT mean that they can ignore the rulings of the Israelite beth din ha-Gadol. Rather, the courts of these nations apply for themselves the Beth din ha-Gadol's rulings regarding Noahide law.
I didn't mean become completely independent of Israel at any time. What I meant was that at some point, while we remain connected to Israel and answer to the final authority of the Beth Din, we will have to be in control of our own nations and be able to teach our own people without being constantly coddled and hand held by the Jewish people. In other words eventually Israel will need to tend to Israel as we tend to our nations.
It's not a real Sanhedrin. They don't even claim to be a real Sanhedrin (maybe certain individuals do). It's a 'sanhedrin project.' They hope that it will develope into or at least prepare the people for the restoration of a real beth din-haGadol.
Some Christians do keep the Old Testament laws, they are are known as Sabbatarians. The biggest of these groups are the Seventh Day Adventists. But Herbert W. Armstrong started the Worldwide Church of God and taught obedience to the Ten Commandments, observe the Holy Days of Leviticus 23, taught to eat only clean meats (Lev 11), and observe the Saturday Sabbath. We also adhere to British Israelism, believing the Jews cannot claim to be Israel, but only Judah. Essentially the Torah are God's laws
herbertwarmstrong 3 weeks ago
@herbertwarmstrong there are christians who observe a form of "Old" Testament laws as literally stated, and usually in a very selective manner, as you've outlined. Even the 10 Commandments ("Statements") cannot be observed without looking to the rest of Written Torah, and Written Torah, when followed, naturally produces an "Oral" Torah (even if you reject the idea of an Oral Torah "given" by G-d, judgements rendered would create precedents for future legal decisions by a court).
prescottjohnson 3 weeks ago
@herbertwarmstrong so anyone trying to observe Written Torah, will end up creating some type of oral tradition of their own, no different than a christmas or easter tradition. Once this happens, and it does, don't they become guilty of "adding" to the commandment, the very criticism made against the rabbis? And no one of these groups can point to a history of their "observance", only a recent notion that without the "Old" Testament, theirs is a baseless faith. on that point, they are correct.
prescottjohnson 3 weeks ago
For those of you able to grasp simple logic unlike Dejan2116, the Torah says in Wayikra 18:5 (Leviticus) "which a man do he shall live in them." So the Torah does indeed promise life for those that do their best to keep it. It can't be kept without error. That is not the purpose. Kipur (atonement/forgiveness) for miss stepping HaSheim only gives to those doing their best to keep it. Read it in Hebrew. You will find it!
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924
The problem is, no man can do Torah, and therefore no man shall live. That's the point. That's why you need a Savior. That's why Jesus came, to save you from the curse of the Torah. You have not kept Torah. Look into your heart and see how many times you break Torah. When have you ever seen HaSheim forgive without a sacrifice? You need a perfect sacrifice; you need God to sacrifice on your behalf. And this was Jesus the Messiah. You missed God's grace and chose empty tradition..
Dejan2116 7 months ago
@Dejan2116 Do you think I haven't heard your line of confusion before. I left Xtianity because I figured out that HaSheim doesn't make empty promises like you. It simply is illogical and can not be true. You have only your rote repetition of empty offers of salvation. You are not to be pitied but are quite pitiful. Learn some Hebrew, learn something. Shabbat, kashrut, family purtiy are not empty. Your promises are empty.
Yirmeyahu924 7 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924
You don't keep Shabbat or kashrut, and you do not have family purity. You fool yourself and judge yourself righteous by your own standards, not by Hasheim's. The law was given to make you see your errors, NOT to make you think you can keep it. You miss the point of the law, too! You are just like your people of old who could never discern the voice of God when it called. To you God sent the prophets, but you closed your ears and shut your eyes. You don't understand Christianity.
Dejan2116 7 months ago
@Dejan2116 I forgot. You Xtians teach us Jews about Torah. My mistake. You don't know ridiculous you sound. Who told you I don't keep Shabbat or kashrut or are you the one that put a camera in my bedroom so you know about the instruction of family purity? Clean out your ears and get this straight. You are repeating what you have heard and you can't confirm any of it. You are dead according to Torah and Torah was well before your Null Testament and Torah destroys your Null Testament.
Yirmeyahu924 7 months ago
Hey bud, ran you through the search on a lark and found you on here. Great stuff. - Jack B.
RadicalPumpkin 8 months ago
@RadicalPumpkin the man with a front row seat!! :D
prescottjohnson 8 months ago
Everyone who is not a born-Jew or orthodox convert is considered Bnei Noach according to the Encyclopedia Judaica and orthodox Judaism. "The term "sons of Noah" is, in rabbinic usage, a technical term including all human beings except those whom Jewish law defines as being Jews." EJ 12;1190 Noachide Laws. So supposedly keeping seven laws is meaningless. Full Torah observance or nothing. That makes a consistent Singularity. netzarim.co.il
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924 Since others may be confused by your comments, let me clarify your point from end to beginning. You believe in a consistent "Singularity". Nothing wrong with that. You believe that anyone who observes Torah, less than "Full" might as well do nothing, ergo observing the "7" is meaningless. Can a priest observe laws given to women? or women observe the laws given to priests? yet they each, following the Singularity can be fully observant of the one Torah... as a Noahide can.
prescottjohnson 8 months ago
@prescottjohnson If others are diligent enough to look up the reference in EJ they won't be confused. They also shouldn't be confused by Shemot 12:49, "there shall be one Torah for the native born and the resident alien," as it seems to confuse some. Maybe you can teach Torah observant Jews like myself what that means?
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924 if you are citing EJ as an authoritative source, does this source also support your statement that it is meaningless for non-Jews to keep the 7 laws, or does EJ tell us that non-Jews are required to observe these laws? If there are punishments to be meted out for not observing them or reward for keeping them, or permission for Noahides to observe additional laws, how can you say "full observance or nothing"?
prescottjohnson 8 months ago
@prescottjohnson EJ is a source to understand Jewish thought. If EJ should print the Aseret HaDibrote would the ten commandments be according to EJ? The reference in EJ says "in rabbinic usage." But while this is the distinction between Jew and Bnei Noach, it DOES NOT define WHO is in the Brit of Har Sinai nor does it define the entrance qualifications to enter the Brit of Har Sinai. Notice esp Devarim 6:2. This also deletes the earlier rabbinic woman/priest straw man you mentioned.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924 EJ: "The Seven Laws - Laws which were supposed by the Rabbis to have been binding upon mankind at large even before the revelation at Sinai, and which are STILL binding upon non-Jews." This is not about Jews or converts (re. Sh 12:43-49) but about non-Jews. EJ also states: Decapitation is often the punishment for violation of the 7Laws and that "He who observed the seven Noachian laws... was assured of a portion in the world to come." So EJ begs to differ on your conclusion.
prescottjohnson 8 months ago
@prescottjohnson Let's cut the crap. You are saying that you can attain kipur by keeping seven laws but a Jew must keep 613. All you have is modern rabbinic excuses for this inequity when a child can see that HaSheim can't be so inequitable. Or you are just following the rabbis because they are suppose to know. Welcome back to church.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924 I am saying that when you quote EJ to establish a point in your argument (how one should undestand Jewish thought - your words) and ask others to check it out for themselves, I did exactly that. So if you wish to take the EJ to task, fine. I simply did a word search and found that EJ (ergo, Jewish thought) disagrees with you. And the EJ cites a number of non-"modern" sources. Take your complaint to the rabbis who disagree with you. I have a list of them if that would be helpful.
prescottjohnson 8 months ago
@prescottjohnson EJ can be correct and incorrect. It depends on the subject. But the matter is whether the logic of Torah holds in one's reasoning, mine, yours, the rabbis, the sages, whoever. The issue is kipur and the Torah is unequivocal that it is granted to those that are non-selectively Torah observant. For a rabbi to teach against that Torah or any other part of Torah makes him wrong.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@prescottjohnson You still need to come up with a reason why HaSheim chose two different ways which is not explicit or implicit in Torah for Jews and non-Jews (Bnei Noach). Until now all you have is the rabbis said so.
You are either putting your trust in rabbis or following your own eyes and heart. Both are doomed but you add to the destruction by leading others astray. You imply the whole Torah was given to the Jewish people so the safe thing would be to guide people to that.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
BS"D
Brachah & Hatzlachah.
pickyspark 3 years ago
You rock, thank you for what you do.
Torahlover0007 3 years ago
By the way, what are the problems in the doctrines of Christianity, what do yous think?
Dejan2116 3 years ago
trinity, teaching jews to keep torah any less zealously than they should have before jesus, calling the torah-ordained rabbinical authority 'commandments of men', calling anyone but the heavenly father your savior, teaching a system of atonement that is contrary to the tanakh. for starters.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
We need to differ Law from Gospel. To preach that you have to change your life is to preach Law. And the Law is a "schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ". There is no help in the Law but only in the Gospel. The Law makes us in need of Christ so that we may come to Him and rest from everything. Then we can know that our salvation is in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and not in how we change (how we follow the Law).
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Dejan2116 3 years ago
to avoid clutter on this page, here is what i propose. you look at the evidence i have taken the effort to provide in my videos. i did this so that i wouldn't need to confine myself to 500 words at a time to defend what Acts plainly reveals. if you won't do that, then simply refrain from using old cliches that ignore clear contrary evidence in YOUR New Testament. if you don't wish to inform yourself in the way provided, simply don't post. is that too much to ask? you seem to have time.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
So Since God promised the New Covanent would be NOTHING like the Old Covanent in Moses(Jeremiah 31:31) it is absurd to think that we have to keep those dietary laws and animal sacrafices once the New Covanent comes, otherwise God would be lying by saying it is a different covanent.
Jesus is LORD, todays Judaism is Satanism, anti-Christ satanism in its hypocricy.
And these are the Jews that Jesus called "A Synogogue of SATAN"(Revelation 3:9)
PS. Judaism isnt open for Gentiles.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
@Dejan2116 Try finishing the context of Yirmeyahu 31:31 Read to 31:33 "after these days I will put my TORAH into their innermost being!" But you probably can't read Hebrew right?
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924
Yeah, a new Torah, written upon their hearts in the New Covenant in Christ. What the law could not do for you, Christ your God did. So come to him, or forever feel the guilt of being unable to keep the law. You know by experience that what I say is true. "For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man" (Romans 8:3).
Dejan2116 8 months ago
@Dejan2116 No I don't know your experience and neither does anyone else, that is why it is YOUR experience and that it why the Torah calls it "following your own eyes and heart." Bemidbar 15:39 If you can't read Torah plainly in Yirmeyahu 31:33 that it is the same Torah not one you redefine , then have your crazy g-d. He is you. The One that gave the Torah is perfect and perfect doesn't have Plan B. No second Torah. It would be funny if your reasoning wasn't so sad.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924
God didn't mess up the first time. He merely progressed in his revelation. Don't you get it? The whole Torah was given to your people to show them their utter inability to keep the law, to show YOU how bad you are. You need salvation from the law; the law is your enemy, your judge, not a friend. "For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to obtain righteousness" (Romans 10:3).
Dejan2116 8 months ago
@Dejan2116 Right. HaSheim didn't mess up. You need to progress, He doesn't. You can't even read the Hebrew to know that Torah means "instruction" not law. Therefore His instruction is perfect, no need for progression or change. You need kipur according to Torah. That is defined by HaSheim. Not by Paul the apostate.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924
Of course his instruction is perfect, and no need for change. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying all of the ritual sacrifices that your people did, all of the laws that were given to Moses, find their ultimate fulfillment in the sacrifice of Jesus, the Messiah, whom you have totally missed in your scriptures. The whole point of the Torah is to show you Christ, but you have missed HaSheim's instruction....
Dejan2116 8 months ago
@Dejan2116 Your NT is antithetical to the Torah. You reject any part of Torah, you cannot obtain kipur. Accepting the NT is rejecting Torah.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924
I believe in the Torah. I just see its true purpose. It's purpose was to show how bad I am, how disobedient I am before God. You think its purpose is to benefit you, but you are wrong. The Torah will do nothing but condemn you on the last day, because you have never kept even one instruction that HaSheim has ever given. I see my salvation is found in Jesus the Messiah, God in the flesh. What the law could not do, He did for me. Accepting the NT is the true meaning of Torah.
Dejan2116 8 months ago
@Dejan2116 Your belief in Torah is BS. Your works are evil or you would turn to Torah. You have no light which is defined as Torah. You have no fruit which is defined by Torah. You must be a recording. If you are only a brain stem then you shouldn't be trying to convince anyone of the lie of Jzeus and the NT. Sorry I took up time and space here on you.
Yirmeyahu924 8 months ago
@Yirmeyahu924
That's okay. You have judged yourself unworthy of the good news of God's grace in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Continue in your fruitless journey of keeping the law, not that you ever can or have kept it. Some people just do not accept the truth when it's given to them, and you never will, unless the Spirit of God works within you. The Torah is good and holy; it's so good and holy it will condemn all those who have not kept it on the last day. You need salvation bro.
Dejan2116 7 months ago
Hi excatholics... did I get that correct... there is more than one of you?? :)
I was never a Christian? I never knew J.C. in a personal way?
I'm assuming that, being an excatholic, that Bible verse could be said of you... by catholics, of course? If someone said that you were a church-goer, not a REAL catholic, would you agree with that? I mean, if you were a REAL catholic, you would not have left catholicism, would you? that verse is a safe but sad way of dealing with the contrarians.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
If you say you were a Christian you are a liar and we do not recieve your testimony.
Shame on you.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
another borg? (see wiki entry). you (singular) may not "receive" my testimony, but you (singular) really can't speak for we (plural). and my testimony has the same merit as yours, i suspect, that being an account of my own personal experience, unique to me, from which others may find similar to their own and thus find mutual affirmation from their common experiences (see above responders).
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
Ya ya pal, I know how sects can impact people, and my dad himself believes in Hinduism because of those same "Personal Experiences" you hold so dear to. It is sad that people rather trust in their 'personal experiences' and their own heart, rather than the Living God. Open up Proverbs 28:26 its for you.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
your comment implies that on cannot be an ex-christian. if i say i used to be, i am a liar. so while i thought i was, i really wasn't and just didn't know that. which means that the tens of thousands who will in the near future go from thinking they were christians (but really aren't), just simply don't realize they are not presently. this means that you can't be sure that you are either. so you are not really speaking for "we" because you aren't sure you are part of the "we."
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
No, you were the type of Christian that I use to be, a hypocritical worker of iniquity. Shame on me but God forgave me, and you gave up on the faith and left, why are you giving into doctrines of demons and going back to Judaism when it cannot sanctify you no longer, good luck keeping all the law perfectly, thats what the law requires, and you or I cannot mean those standards. Only the Messiah can save us, and that Messiah is Jesus Christ.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
but enough of the word banter. i checked your page. two questions:
Do you believe that the Laws of Moses are still "in effect"?
Do you believe that Jesus' death on the cross brought an end to all animal sacrifices (and the shedding of blood)?
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
If you read the book of Hebrews you would know those questions.
Yes, the law of Moses is still in effect, but is passing away as the Old Covanent. The reason the Law was given was so that mankind can be condemned in its iniquity and to bring forth Messiah.
If you read Daniel 9:24-26 Yes Jesus stopped all sacrafices that God allows, all of the sacarfices from Abraham to Malachi point to the ultimate Sacrafice of the Messiah(Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26).
Open the Scriptures and read!
Dejan2116 3 years ago
So how do you know when a particular Law passes, since you seem to think it is still in passing? When does observing a seventh day rest pass away, or keeping dietary requirements, or the command to not covet?
So after Jesus' death, there are no more sin offerings, burnt offerings or guilt offerings necessary?
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
If you think a man can stop working on the Sabbath, this is false, we can never stop working. The Sabbath itself is stoping work that only help yourself, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day. Yet in Christ is my Sabbath and I dont have to follow the Old Covanent Sabbath day.
So many people are hypocrits, for example, When it comes to lusting after women its okay, but when it comes to eating pork, NO NO NO, its a sin, it will make me unclean!!! HYPOCRICY! Yes no more offerings.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Have you viewed any other videos of mine. if not, i would encourage to do so, as your conclusions about what Jesus did do not resonate with the practice of those Jews who actually walked and talked with Jesus. I would defend that here, but I already did on the videos. Go ahead and jump to 005 Many thousands of Jews believe... as these believing Jews not only "kept" Torah, they were "zealous" for Torah and continued offering all the sacrifices Christianity claims are "no more."
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
If you can show me one Historical evidence of true Christians continuing sacrafices(Even though the entire book of Hebrews was written to stop the Jews who were going back to animal sacrafices and Judaism)then I will consider it. But until then, the New Testament iteself is against such things, and the New Testament itself is the NEW COVANENT(Jeremiah 31:31) Like GOD Promised WOULD BE DIFFERENT thant he Old Covanent(Jeremiah 31:33) I can show you from the OT that Jesus is Messiah.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
I assume you've read the book of Acts. And I assume you believe the book of Acts to be "inspired" and everything in it is absolutely true. Acts 21 has Paul, without objection, arranging to purchase 12 animals for sacrifices at the Temple for 4 "believing Jews" plus animals for Paul's sacrifices. 30 years after the cross. watch the videos.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
I've read the Book of Acts... strange I never noticed that part. Please provide the verse number aswell and we will see who is being truthful here.
Sir, if you arent a Jew, the covanent of Moses cannot be for you, the only way Gentiles could be saved was through the Messiah(Isaiah 42:1) You cant just convert to Judaism, this is false, since you are no Jew.
Jesus saves, turn my friend.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Did you even crack the Book? How hard can it be to look up... one small little chapter? I could practically quote the chapter to you. Start around verse 18... wouldn't want you reading 18 unnecessary verses. :D
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
I didnt see any sacrafice there by Paul, your interpretation is wrong.
So because Paul observed the ceremony when he went into the temple(TO FULFILL THE SCRIPTURE) this means all Christians have to observe this?lol
Dejan2116 3 years ago
This isn't an interpretation and I am not wrong. Paul was asked to provide for the costs of 4 fellow believing Jews who wished to participate in a voluntary vow (a Nazirite vow...& please don't say that it wasn't, as NOBODY questions this point, they just miss the point). Read the obligations for a Nazirite vow in Numbers. A sin offering, burnt offering, guilt offering plus. Paul, had he not been arrested, would have also done this. Why did he do this? To prove he observed, as they, Torah.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
Agreed, but Paul tells you why he did this in another verse, please read all all Paul and you will understand.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
Dejan2116 3 years ago
These Jews were not to be "gained" as they already believed. If you read the text in Acts 21 again, you will see that Paul was asked to do these things to prove 1) he himself was a Torah observant Jew (not a pretend to be Jew when he's around Jews), & 2) that the rumor spread about him was a lie. what was the rumor? that he told Jews to abandon Torah, circumcision, etc. Christianity teaches that Paul said "no more Torah", but this exchange proves that conclusion false.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
Lie, those Jews did not already believe, he wanted to win the Jews who were calling his ministry blasphemy, he was showing that Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism and that the Messiah has come, he was to win the Jews, so yes this explenation is sufficient.
Nope, Christianity teaches that the 10 commandments still stand(with exception on the sabbath because Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath(Luke 6:5) our Sabbath(rest) is in Christ.
Read Hebrews . Your lost, so sad.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Did you even read the text in Acts? James and the elders boast to Paul "see how many thousand of Jews BELIEVE and are zealous for the Law?" They believed. They believed the message of James and the apostles who actually walked and talked with JC.
and the "fading" glory that Paul spoke of in 1 Cor. were "written on stone" so he was talking about the 10 Commandments fading away, not the rest of the Law.
Have you ever read the New Testament? It's actually interesting in spots.
I'm happy.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
WHAT! So you think the 10 commandments are gonna fade away, but the other ones like eating Pork wont? ahhaha wow. This is exact opposite of what Jesus said, how sad you are to believe this.
My dads happy too in Hinduism, doesn't mean hes in the true faith. I've seen deception and let me tell you, it is so deceptive, that the person involved in it doesn't even know hes decieved.
Ya and 'believe' after Paul showed them the fact that Jesus is the Messiah, the fulfillment of the Law.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
who said that the 10 commandments fade away but the others dont?
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
Its sad that you were a typical religious hypocrite claiming to be a Christian. The question isnt whether you went to Church, you can go to church all your life and still go to hell. Church isnt what saves you, its Jesus Christ.
And you never belonged to Christ, and do not know the Bible.
You realized that Jesus cannot be God? REALLY!!! Please show me where you got this from because the entire New Testament reveals that he is God, and not only the NT but the Old Testament aswell.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
i honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. your inability to follow this conversation is an indication to me why you have an inability to comprehend a text...
you insisted that it's only the Ten Commandments which need to be followed (surgeon's knife to the 4th--reread your comments above). i responded to that by saying that Paul, your apostle, said that "which is engraved in letters of stone" is fading away in 2 corinthians 3. Torah wasn't engraved, it was spoken by God to Moses.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
So that which is engraved, the Ten Commandments, is fading away, according to Paul. He wasn't referring to the remainder of Torah, as the remainder of Torah was not written in stone. Understand? You say 10 Commandments still need to be followed and the rest has been done away with. Paul says that it is the 10 commandments that are fading away.
hmmm...I'm wondering... where does it say that its only 9 Commandments that remain. Chapter and verse please.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
No your taking 2 Cor 3:7 completely out of the context of the New Testament, it never says such things. You know yourself that Jesus himself preached the commandements, stop taking the New Testament out of context with the New Testament, that seems to be the problem with some people.
Paul is talking about the Jesus coming to save us from the condemnation of those laws, and is not saying that the commandements are done away with.
I dont care what if you laugh or cry, you should. Repent.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
of where does it say that, the Jesus is the sabbath, if u believe in the 10 commandments you should revisit the 3rd, it's not "do not take my name in vain" it's do not desecrate my name. Jesus is dececation of the name of the most high, and giving him a pagan name, IZEUS which translates to son of ZEUS
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Actually no, Yehsua is his Hebrew name, And Iesous is in Greek, no relation to Zeus, that's a little grammatical and languistic error on your part.
Jesus is Lord and God as the New Testament witnesses, the creator of all things, who entered into his own creation for the purpose of his own glory, amen.:) The True Triune God of the Scritpures.
Luke 6:5 Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath:)
Dejan2116 3 years ago
But Yahshua was Hebrew not Greek, actually the Greeks were thrown out of the temple, giving us Hanukah" festival of lights.(pagain, Zeus, pig sacrafices)
So you should go back and understand what the word Hebrew means:
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
We start with the first Hebrew Abraham meaning to "cross over" cross over from Pagan worship to worshiping the True Deity of the heavens. Yahweh: The name of the Son is in the Father, Yahshua(I am Salvation)
If you continue to mix Hebrew with Greek (Paganism) your result will always fall short of the truth, truth with a lie always yeilds a lie.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
We are forbidden in the Word of Yahweh to make mention of names of other gods, and surely not to call Him by these false names and titles ( jesus,lord,god, Ex. 23:13, Psalm 16:4).
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Are you Christian?
Dejan2116 3 years ago
No I am not Christian for Christians while probably being ephramites they worship pagan deities (Ba al Estar etc.) and disgrace the Torah and the Commands of Yahweh, perhaps they are ignorant but a time of maturity is at hand for Ephraims punishment is over now.
Visit my channel and watch the stream "two house" remember the messiah never came for Christians, and does not have any covenants with the world.
Mt. 15:24 I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisraĕl.
Shalom
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Is this why Isaiah 42 describes the Messiah saving the gentiles?
The word of God is hard to understand for those who are pereshing, and thats why many misquote Mt 15:24, without any meaningful exegesis of the text. You don't see who the Messiah is and do not understand the text of the Torah as you claim to do so.
The Bible says that NOT ALL ISREAL are the true Israel(Romnas 9:6-8)
You deny the teaching of Scripture and the words of Jesus, to preach to all gentiles(Mark 16,Mat 28:19).
Dejan2116 3 years ago
I am An Israelite, for the Messiah came to redeem and restore the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 37:16-22.
The Messiah also comes back for the remnent of Israel.
Rev. 12:17 angain here are the saints Rev 14:12
If i can help futher let me know I am here for seekers,and i know it is your desire.
Shalom brother.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
The Lord's personal mission was to the Jews. Under the first commission his apostles were directed to go only to the Jews (Mat 10:6). It would be impossible to evangelize the Gentiles without setting aside the Jewish customs, the law of Moses. The Son should "keep the law blameless" during his ministry. It was only when the Jews crucified him "that the handwriting of ordinances was nailed to the cross," the "wall of partition" between Jews and Gentiles broken down & then gospel to all nations!
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Yes thats the feed Christianity feeds you, which is commonly called Replacement Theology.
However its doctrine from the pit of hell.
If that was true then Yahshua would have worshiped on Sunday and eaten Pork to show us an example rather then confuse us.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves, let's clarify ourselves, he didn't die on a cross thats Catholic replacement doctorien,he died on a tree, There are 4 specific verses in the Re-Newed Testament to clarify this 4u.
shall I find them 4u?
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
If its doctrine from the pit of hell why is it consistant with Biblical Theology?
That shows an ignorance of the Greek language on your part, yes the verses that say Tree say Tree, but other verses say CROSS, and when Thomas saw him he said that Jesus had 2 NAILS holes in his HANDS, if it was a tree, his hands would only be thrust with ONE NAIL, NOT TWO, it had to be a CROSS stretching out each hand, 1 nail in each hand, 2 nails!
The Greek for tree, Stauros refers to a cross:)
Dejan2116 3 years ago
I know how the Greeks mistranslate the scriptures. Let me give you cause to think I'll diluted, the tree he died on was planted (2Sam15:30) by King David which is the rod given to Adam when he was cast out of the garden who gave it through the bloodline and finally Aaron when it budded almonds. Im short on space but you'll find the tree(rod) the messiah died on was the tree of life from the garden. enjoy your studies
shalom
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
What are you talking about sir, the Greeks mistranslate the scriptures? Are you making a reference to the Septuagint or something else?
Jesus Christ is Lord and saviour amen:)
Dejan2116 3 years ago
If you say so.
I tend do disagree but what does it matter.
Shalom
A
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Please read the New Testament and may the Spirit of God open your heart to repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, because I cannot convince you of the truth, if you are ever convinced it will be because of the holy spirit whom Christ sends upon those he shall save.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Sorry we are really bipolar, i rebuke Jesus Christ,Lord and God becouse those are pagan names of false dieties,
Jer 16:21 Therefore see, I am causing them to know, this time I cause them to know My hand and My might. And they shall know that My Name is YHWH יהוה
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
The Bible says that Jesus is YHWH(Hebrews 1:8-12, quoting Psalm 102:25-27 which is about the ETERNAL YHWH being applied to Jesus.)
I don't care if you are bipolar, and your fathers are the ones inherited falsehood, those who do traditions of man rather than the will of God, who practice all the traditions of Judaism but have no Lord in their lives, nothing at all. Shameful and evil.
Jesus is Lord and God, yet you say you can rebuke him? You are but dust, who are you to answer back to God?
Dejan2116 3 years ago
JEsus this is Greek, we are talking about a Hebrew Messiah why don't you get it?
You cannot Hellenize the Messiah. He came for Israel.
Hear his commandments: Hear O'Israel
our communication is hopelessly pointless you are following another Diety. I wish you good fortune with it.
Who ever said i follow Judaism? please don't answer that I wish not to engage any further.
I have put some serious truths if front of me and we are just to far apart, we simply agree to disagree.
Shalom !
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
He came for Israel durnig his ministry, but once he rose from the dead, the entire gospel went to the gentiles also.
A Hebrew Messiah? I agree, he is the Jewish Messiah, which would bring the gentiles to salvation in the Lord.
"FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL, AND WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR, AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES; OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM."'
Dejan2116 3 years ago
"nazareneisrael" this website will help you understand more we can chat if you have questions, or join others that know truth on paltalk (Christian chat room i forget the name of the room but at 7:45 pacific it's the most populated room 150+0Sabbath mornings see u there.
If you have any questions let me know.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
heh paltalk eh, I use to go on that, but not anymore.
Im studying the scriptures before doing any of those things. You need to repent and believe the gospel, let the Bible speak for its self.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
You have inherited your fathers lies:
Jer 16:19 O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the nations shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
The Greeks AND the Freemason King James.
YES...YOUR King James!!
straygypsy 3 years ago
We start in Berishit 1:1 in the beggining.
we must understand this was written in Hebrew and understand the message of Hebrew.
It is the fathers language, it is the language he chose to speak to us in the garden, Mt.Sinai and so on.
Hebrew means to cross over.
Paganism to serving Yahweh.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
I'll share a sod level of teaching for you.
the sermon on the mount was taught by Yahshua, the 12 apostles fed the multitude 2 fish and 5 loafs barley.
12 apostles represent the 12 tribes of Israel
2 fishes represent the 2 houses divided which he came to restore.
5 loafs are the 5 books of the Torah.
he taught the whole house of Israel the instruction which Moses was given at Mt.Sinai.
Sadducees and Pharisees were feeding the oral Torah they made up in captivity (adding to the word
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
One more thing the Jews didn't crusify him nor did the Romans.
Yahshua gave up his own life.
Joh 10:17 Because of this the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life, in order to receive it again.
Joh 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to receive it again. This command I have received from My Father.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Your teaching sir requres rejection of some texts of the New Testament, and acceptance of other texts, picking and choosing, it is in all ways inconsistant with what's presented in the New Testament. Why do you not let the Bible speak for the Bible? I agree that he layed down his own life on his own will:) to save his sheep. Is this consistant with your view of Jesus being sent only to Israel even after the Ressurection? Have you read Isaiah 42, the Messiah "A LIGHT TO THE GENTILES?"
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Gentiles in this context is Ephraim scattered into the nations.
You must read the scriptures with Hebrew eyes.
Also to understand really what is going on right from the beginning.
To A Jew,a Gentile is called a goyem which from Hebrew is translated to a non believer or a heathen.
Yes let the scriptures interoperate itself.
Yes the messiah only comes for Israel as scripture clearly dictates.
Confirming the promise he made to Jacob(Israel)
There are no covenents made to Gentiles.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Excuse me? Where is Ephraim scattared into the nations? WHAT? Where is this exegesis in this text? I am astonished at how the human mind can get around the clarity of God's word, and by the way it is not about Ephraim!! It is about the nations, the gentiles, a light TO THE NATIONS, it is not a light to the Jews in the nations, but TO THE NATIONS, so simple and so clear, do you know Hebrew sir?
Try Refuting Isaiah 49:6, so CLEAR, READ!!!
Stop reading in TRADITION, LET THE WORD SPEAK!
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Yochanan is written on the sod level, or mystical level of Torah interpretation. There are four gospels, so we have the
four different levels of interpretation: pashat, remez, derash, and sod. There are a lot of hidden truths in this short
account in Yochanan. The Torah is like an onion, and we need to peel back the layers of understanding to find the real
meaning that is hidden inside the text.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Translations are not inspired; translations are what they say they are just translations. They are the scholars best efforts to bring the original languages into the spoken language of a people. But, in Hebrew there are certain words that cannot be translated. It is the judgment of the translators of
what word they decide to use in the text by the context. Sometimes they make mistakes. That is why we should learn Hebrew and then study from the Hebrew.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Please Sir do not start the journey in the re-newed testement, Start in The Beginning.Where the master asked us to start reading not the pagans like cosntintene and the catholic church. Here is your first hebrew word: "Beresheit", Genesis is the greek translation for it.
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
Isaiah 49 and 42 are all about the Messiah comnig to save Jews and Gentiles, why do you reject it for your own traditions, dont you know that you make the word of God void by your traditions?
Where did I say a translation is inspired?
But this is your problem, you read the Tanakh by your own traditions and refuse to let it speak for its self. You refuse to hear God, but want to hear him in the way that your itchy ears enjoy hearing him.
Reject false tradition of man and serve the Lord!
Dejan2116 3 years ago
Hos 2:16 And it shall be, in that day, declares יהוה, that you call Me My Husband, and no longer call Me My Baʽal.
Hos 2:17 And I shall remove the names of the Baʽals from her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
I tried but not interested to debate, there is not much time left. Enjoy you walk.
Ba al is the translation of Lord etc.
If you continue to worship Lord, God, Jesus you are in grave danger you must understand the truth.
Shalom
ASHRAUD 3 years ago
What are you asserting here with Hosea 2:16? A great crime is misinterpreting and falsly handeling the word of God, are you suggesting that Hosea 2:16 and 2:17 are the same word translated Baal, because its not, in 2:16 the word means master, and 2:17 it is the name of the false God of the Caananites, Ba'al.
Dejan2116 3 years ago
i cover these points and more in the videos... quit the avoidance tactics and simply go to my youtube page and AFTER you've checked out my explanation of this event, prove me incorrect if you can do so (simply saying I'm wrong doesn't prove I'm wrong). I'd be happy to spend my time responding at that time. But the fact that you "didnt see any sacrafice" there means you haven't understood what you read.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
"I didnt see any sacrifice there by Paul, your interpretation is wrong."
I sometimes wonder whether these people have even opened their bibles, and don't just spew verses they find online.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
ipwnnewbs50
"I sometimes wonder whether these people have even opened their bibles, and don't just spew verses they find online."
HAhahhahahaaHAHa Lol
bojann79 3 years ago
Hello PJ,
You may have been a "church-goer for many, many years" but you were certainly never a Christian, which means a follower of Jesus, and you certainly never knew Jesus in a personal way, like all born again believers do.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us" (1 John 2:19)
excatholics 3 years ago
Keeping Torah is a wonderful experience.Shalom.
2praise 3 years ago
I'm now in the same camp myself, nice to meet you :)
Jaynagurl 3 years ago
Thanks... glad you stopped by! :D
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
read through these comments makes me glad i'm muslim, btw all u all are invited to it, theologically, like any invitation u can accept it or reject, thats ur call.
imadhurata 3 years ago
We don't choose a religion based on whether it's more socially appealing, more structured, more influential, attractive, with greater numbers, etc... Truth is truth, reality is reality, regardless of how sweet our sour it may taste to one's tongue.
Knowledge of 'truth' isn't always as simple as 'accepting or rejecting.'
Were we to simply 'accept' an invitation to another religion, without being sincerely convinced of it -- we would be violating universally recognized principles of honesty.
omedyashar 3 years ago
honestly yusef my reply would have only been about the deficiencies of the noahide movement and not an attempt to evangalize. but bc of the nature of the vid, n the theological burden placed on me to extend an invite to those i am familar with, i had pangs of guilt. it's not my duty to convince u of it, but merely to invite, the onus is thus on u to decide whether to accept or reject and logically to accept u have to be convinced.
imadhurata 3 years ago
Welcome!! =D
gbjew 3 years ago
thanks... glad to make your acquaintance.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
Great video man :) And the only current 'official' voice for the Laws of Noah is the preservation of the instruction of the Mosaic Court preserved in Talmudic text. Your understanding of it for now depends upon your own Divinely blessed intellect, coupled with humility before the Almighty... until the Mosaic Court is restored, speedily and in our days, to the praise of our Maker.
Kol ha-kavod.
omedyashar 3 years ago
amen amen
appreciate that.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
Amen ve Amen
God be with you Prescott
UpyritzKazimir 3 years ago
Omedyashar, you don't support the nascent Sanhedrin?
minorityop 3 years ago
Yeah, I thought according to our current Rabbinical Council that Noachides would have their own Sanhedrin and courts to rule over our own nations being that Jews have no jurisdiction outside Israel.
notinriddles 3 years ago
Israel has to get behind the nascent Sanhedrin and Noachides have to greatly increase in numbers and popularity before we'll see that.
minorityop 3 years ago
I thought the Sanhedrin has been in restoration since 2004? It's hard to increase in numbers if all we have to offer is a dry legalistic set of moral code devoid of spirituality and fellowship. No one agrees on anything, you have splits forming between "progressive" and "orthodox" Noachides as well as radical socialists trying to hijack the movement. Others leave for the liberal sects of Judaism because at least they can have participation in something. There is just no cohesion right now.
notinriddles 3 years ago
Right, that's the one I'm talking about.
Placing emphasis on what the enemy is getting away with in sabotaging what we've found (as an extension to their secret war against the Jews) isn't constructive.
You want Noachide unity? It starts with me and you, not with talking about how bad things are. You realize that some of the people are probably pseudo-Noachide govt. cells, staging drama and scandal to demoralize the genuine, right?
So we've got it hard. Boohoo! We've come this far!
minorityop 3 years ago
Identifying our problems is constructive. We need to get past using all of our energy just keeping the movement from blowing up on the launch pad. This is "me and you" having a real discussion about Noachide issues. New Noachides are popping up all over the world daily and we have absolutely no clue how many of us there are.
We need tight knit communities and we need to look out for each other just like the Jews do.
notinriddles 3 years ago
100%. And "let not the son of the foreigner who has joined himself to the L-RD speak saying, 'The L-RD has utterly separated me from His People.'"
(Yisha3yahu [Isaiah] 56:3)
omedyashar 3 years ago
This doesn't mean that keepers of Noahide law are the same as Israelites in their obligations... but they are the same in their righteousness, and they are actualizing the purpose of the people of Israel -- that the world be filled with knowledge of the L-RD; Yishtaba7 Shemo l-3ad! (His Name be praised forever!)
omedyashar 3 years ago
I agree with the perspective that the Laws of Noah were not meant to be a total limitation upon the nations from further religious observance. It is merely the most basic level of observance allowed among the nations. There is no Noahide religion independent of Torath Mosha (the Divinely given Guidance given to Moses).
While it's true that the nations are not obligated to become Israelites, it's explicit in Talmudic law that additional commandments are the GOOD & PROPER path for ALL PEOPLE.
omedyashar 3 years ago
How many 'noahides' have read the laws of noah even once? I'm not refering to the simplified list of 7 laws (which often include distortions of the 7 laws totally without basis in Talmudic law).
Education and community is the greatest challenge.
Noahide Law FORBIDs religious innovation among the nations (& among the people of Israel, independent of the principles of interpretation in the context of the Beth Din ha-Gadol).
Noahides are ALLOWED to adopt Jewish practices - few exceptions.
omedyashar 3 years ago
Although all non-Jews are technically Noachides, when I say Noachides I'm referring to the people who actually believe in G-d and commit themselves to fully observing the laws. I believe we are at sixty six specific laws at this time and no one really knows when they will be fully broken down. My complaints weren't really a cry for "religion" and I definitely do not want to "Christianize" Noachism with needless bureaucracy either just in case someone took it that way.
notinriddles 3 years ago
Most Jews are extremely unlearned in practical Talmudic law, including religious Jews. [This in NO WAY compares to the general unlearnedness of the nations] We must repent as a people, and return to learning the instruction of the Holy One, and to serving Him in awe-filled trepidation and love. Again, this doesn't make the nations any better.
omedyashar 3 years ago
sanhedrin just means councel... it doesn't necessarily refer to a supreme court. There is also such a thing as a "sanhedrin qatan [small]."
It is correct that one of the 7 laws of Noah is that the nations THEMSELVES establish FOR THEMSELVES courts of law to teach and enforce the Laws of Noah. This does NOT mean that they can ignore the rulings of the Israelite beth din ha-Gadol. Rather, the courts of these nations apply for themselves the Beth din ha-Gadol's rulings regarding Noahide law.
omedyashar 3 years ago
* council;
Beth din ha-Gadol (or "sanhedrin ha-Gadol") refers to the Supreme Torah-ordained Court.
omedyashar 3 years ago
I didn't mean become completely independent of Israel at any time. What I meant was that at some point, while we remain connected to Israel and answer to the final authority of the Beth Din, we will have to be in control of our own nations and be able to teach our own people without being constantly coddled and hand held by the Jewish people. In other words eventually Israel will need to tend to Israel as we tend to our nations.
notinriddles 3 years ago
I see what you mean. Thanks for the clarification.
omedyashar 3 years ago
It's not a real Sanhedrin. They don't even claim to be a real Sanhedrin (maybe certain individuals do). It's a 'sanhedrin project.' They hope that it will develope into or at least prepare the people for the restoration of a real beth din-haGadol.
omedyashar 3 years ago
Welcome fellow Noachide :)
notinriddles 3 years ago
thanks n.i.r. i may, at times, appear a little bit of a lunatic, but i'm sane most of the time.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
You probably just described most people. Heh.
notinriddles 3 years ago
Your voice reminds me of Bart Ehrman's.
Welcome to another Noachide!
minorityop 3 years ago
thank-you... i think ;)
i've actually watched a number of your contributions... very much enjoyed them. look forward to seeing more from you.
prescottjohnson 3 years ago
The first was a purely aesthetic comment, neither good nor bad.
You'll probably do a better job of keeping your cool on YouTube than I have. : D
minorityop 3 years ago