What annoys me is the Christians who try to force you into their way of believing saying that if you do not become a Christian, you will go to hell. I think it's narrow minded to believe the way you believe is the only right way. For one person's truth is not another person's truth. And truth isn't what's popular or most regarded, I think it's what each individual believes in.
I agree with you. However, being a christian, I do not do good works or behave morally just because I want to avoid punishment or earn a reward. I want to do things to help people because people need help. In addition, I'm not fake. Based on your perception of religious people that you described, I did not know that I fit into that category. Just being honest about myself. I can not speak for everyone else because I do not know their motives.
@gmscorpio111691 This video was directed towards religious people who argue that there's no point in atheists or agnostics being good because they believe they wont be spiritually rewarded or punished.
I hope that religious people, such as yourself, that engage in good deeds for more genuine humanistic reasons can also understand why a non-believer would be good to others as well. If you do, then no, you don't fit into this category of religious person :-)
@Clutchology I understand, thanks for clarifying that. I do understand that one does not need to be religious in order to genuinely do good works for people out of the goodness of ones heart. I admit I did think that at one time. That was wrong what I thought. However, when I commented I was not thinking that way.
what you have described here is material religion and material life- - real religion means true love and devotion for God- its not a business deal or something that you do out of fear- real love dosn't expect a reward- most religions now a day don't teach one how to attain true love and devotion for God and in turn for all of God's creations- It would take too many words to tell here in this little space so check out purebhakti
A group of evenly mixed-sex people dropped on a deserted island are going to discover quite quickly that certain things cannot be allowed if they are to survive - murder, rape, and stealing - all 3 would bring about retaliation. I suspect our ancient ancestors deduced the same through experience. They also learned that coveting, lusting, etc. could lead to 1 of the 3, and realized the consequences. That does not mean that everyone agreed or followed these 'morals' - no different than today.
If u think about it, the only thing that has a solid argument for being "immoral" is aggression. Murder, rape, genocide, slavery..they all fall under that line of natural "evil," if the line of reasoning is followed long enough.
One thing this guy misunderstands, is we do not enter heaven based on good deeds but we enter heaven based on Grace by the sacrifice of Christ.
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Second, if no one is perfect, intellectually, physically, and most important emotionally, than we make mistakes, and it is impossible to reach heaven, based on our on goodness, the law of God would require punishement for Sin, everyone would be guilty.
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But in Christ our sins are forgiven in a life through him. not good deeds.
Yes you are expecting too much out of humanity. Just jump in your car and take a slow drive on a motorway see how many two fingered salutes you get. Pick up any local newspaper read about the muggins, the vandalism ,spend a night in casuality see the nurses getting spat at for trying to help some drunk . You guys must live in your bedrooms on your computers. Try Ravi Zacharias videos.
Exactly my thoughts man. Relgious people aren't GENUINELY good. They're good because they think god is watching them at all times, and they think they'll be rewarded for it and go to heaven. Even IF there was a god (yeah i know, there isnt), he would surely know they weren't genuine at all and throw them in the burning lakes of fire... or whatever the hell supposedly happens to them. lol
@weepaul666 Wrong way out wrong. You know so little I see you have been brainwashed by the media and all the Anti_Christ propaganda. And it sounds like you have never spoken to any real Christians. You are right about if God exists (I believe he does) he would know which persons giving is genuine and which is feigned. Hell is the fire of regret that you chose not to believe that you are an impure being and therefore miss out on eternal life.
@rocksoli4 LOL. I'm brainwashed? You're the one who believes in something that can't be proven. Clearly you were told that a god exists and you blindly accepted it. That is what you call brainwashed. I'm realistic. I do not *choose* beliefs, I rely on evidence. I have a couple of friends, who are quite intelligent, that are christians, yet can't explain to me rationally why they believe in a god. It always end with, "well it's a faith thing"
@weepaul666 Where there is a design there is a designer . Look at the complexity of the cell. How did the information get there. It takes more faith to believe that Nothing blew up and hey presto you have a universe with no end infinity and beyond. The wonder of nature is the hand writing of a great designer. The proof is in you.
@rocksoli4 Then I'll ask the same question that I've asked many. What created god then? Oh, but it's ok for "him" to have always been. haha. If not, then that means something created him, then something created that, then that... it goes on and on til a point where that was just something that has always been. Why do christians not accept that the universe couldn't have always been, but then dismiss the same idea about god. Reiculous
@weepaul666 It's a possibility but if you look at nature and tie it in with Jesus and the people who follow Him. Everyone agrees that he was a great teacher but how could he be great and spout lies about "Eternal Life " and Him being The way the Truth The resurrection. he was either liar or lunatic or who He said He was The son of God.
@rocksoli4 Wow, is that honestly your defense? So you think it's more likely that he is the son of god rather than a lunatic? How many people claim to be the son of god these days and are seen as lunatics? Too many to count. That's the reason Jesus was crucified, because he spoke the same as a lot of these lunatics do today. But it's accepted that Jesus was the truth just because it was a long time ago and many people believe, so it's easier for you to do so. Time to think for yourself
@weepaul666 Very plausable If there is a God a creator a master designer it's very possible and easy for God to visit us in human form i.e. Jesus. Have you learned nothing from his teachings. Just one principle" Do to others as you would have them do to you" would transform this upside down world would it not? By the way I'm not defending I'm discussing.
@rocksoli4 Learned nothing? You say that as if I'm meant to read it and just accept that it's true, and not question it at all, which seems to be the case for most believers. I hardly doubt you question it either. You keep saying it's very possible. Well of course it's possible. It's not IMpossible, BUT highly unlikely
@weepaul666 A parable for you. You find a car in an old abandoned shed there is no manual you try different manuals until you find the one that answers all the questions and makes everything work. Thats the bible it ministers life, everything works. The car is preserved Read Proverbs Listen to Ravi Zacharias for a balance to your views.
@rocksoli4 Wow, here we go. You automatically assume I must be a believer of evolution. This shows you have ignorant and small minded you are, as if there's only TWO possibilities. There are MILLIONS of possibilities to how we got here, yet here we are somehow narrowed it down to TWO, both which have no real evidence. You need to go educate yourself. You seem to just do what you're told and not use your brain at all.
@weepaul666 Here we go on the same old pattern of the atheist. You take the intellectual higher ground and tell the Christian he's an idiot. End of conversation. I'm off to bed take care ye'all.
@rocksoli4 Haha, well I'd have to agree with that. I am more intelligent than you. Don't you find it odd that atheists ARE highly intelligent, whereas most christians aren't? lol. I don't care if I come off as arrogant. I'm all about telling it like it is. And that "parable" you were on about... Simply hilarious. Doesn't prove a thing, and neither does the bible. I've read the bible. Doesn't prove a thing. Ok, off you go to bed. Enjoy more of your fairytales in dreamland. Haha
Religion replaces our innate morality. For most hardcore religious individuals, their moral compass is off base. I say this from experience with several religious organizations.
If there is no absolute good and bad than WHO decides what is moral? If it is the individual, what would stop someone from saying a certain race of people was bad for humanity and that we should exterminate them all? Furthermore, what kind of person would do everything they could to stop such a person? Would it be someone who believes moral truth is relative? OR would it be someone who believes that God came in the flesh and died for you and I (HIS SINFUL ENEMIES) so we could go to heaven.
From what I've seen, it is those that believe in absolute morality that often create and propagate the conflicts so many of us despise.
It tends to create a mentality in which you can't be reasoned with. You're right. They're wrong. End of story. It eliminates the need for strong justifications and creates a demonisation of the opposition.
Personally I think even if there is an absolute morality we should approach it psychologically and pragmatically as if it were relative.
Well yes, but the problem with this is that your view is just as much of a "I'm right, yor wrong" view because you are also making a presupposition- that moralality is not absolute. I don't think there is any real middle ground in this. What do you think about that?
PS (even if you are actually saying that we can't know if morality is absolute or not, that of course is still a presupposition meaning the antithesis that morality is absolute and we can know it is wrong)
You implied that those who believe in absolute morality are better people and strive more to make the world better. I would disagree with that. This has nothing to do with presuppositions. Of course we all suppose we are correct in our views. What I am talking about is how we approach those whose opinions differ.
There is a difference here. My view that morality is relative and another's that is absolute can easily be discussed, no harm done. Someone who believes they are good on absolute moral grounds, however, will rarely be willing to compromise with those who they feel are on absolute evil grounds. Why would they compromise? This in turn tends to create the conflict and the 'evil' they oppose.
The problem is that those who believe in absolutism often believe they KNOW that morality. That kills talk.
The Bible says that "No one understands, no one seeks God. All have turned away like a broad of vipers. Together they have become worthless (Romans 3).
Paul says in Romans 5 that we are enemies of God.
Jerimiah 17:9 says our sin is so deep that nobody could know how deep it goes.
Even as a VERY strong Christian, Paul considered Himself "the worst of sinners" in 1 Timothy.
The gospel is Jesus dying for his enemies and man RESPONDING by loving others.
(continued) With this in mind, yes a Christian believes they have discernment of right and wrong from the born again experience of going from spiritual death to life. They however are still the worst of sinners and it is only Christ's perfect life, death, and resurrection in them that justifies their going to heaven..... not their own good works or rationalizing because before being born again, they can't help but be hostile to God, whether they know it or not.
Finally and most importantly, a Christian is simply called to LOVE HIS/HER ENEMIES and there is a reason. That is because Christ first loved them.
I realize this may just be your everyday preachy Christian talk that might not seem like it even has to do with our conversation, but if Jesus really was God, than it has everything to do with it... and the reason I explained it is because I want to make sure you at least know the Bible's TRUE message (not the watered down versio
Morality is nothing more then then a compromise, or an understanding so organizems can co-exist in an environment. If a person is alone on an Island, morality would be little to no use.
What that Agreement for morals is can change depending on the Organizem or the environment. People decide there own morality and join environment that share it.
Thats why there are many type of society. That is why we have personal morals and sociel morals. And why there is no absolote morality.
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Wow, first atheists want you to deny the existtence of God, and now they're trying to get you to commit bad deeds. Satan is really taking this world with him to the lake of fire.
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i agree, athEIsts try to be victims. they think scientists are 100% correct 100% of the time, they are never wrong. BULSHIT.UNLESS SCIENTISTS ARE PERFECT AND GET EVERYTHING CORRECT AND NEVER WRONG ATHEISTS CAND SHUT THE FUCK UP
Are you saying that you don't feel good about yourself when you help others? Every time I help other people I feel better about myself, even if it means I have to give up something of mine.
if people felt good helping others, then you would see a better world, corruption would not be reigning in the US government today, wars would not even be a topic....and so on. It RARELY feels good to do good. And even after doing that good deed, very few feel a sense of righteousness. If you are one of the few, may God bless you friend.
And yes, there are alot of religious ppl (including christians) who do good out of fear of punishment, or just for the idea of being rewarded. But that does not make them the protocol of the Christian beliefs. I'll tell u now, those christians are wrong for doing so becuz the bible teaches something COMPLETELY different.
I saw a comment basically talking about our conscience. Sayin something like "everyone's goal is to live happily" and "it feels good to do good". Well, in so many ways, thats just plain nonsense.
1. Our conscience can be so easily corrupt (just ask hitler)
2. It RARELY feels good to do good. Doing good usually requires sacrificing something of urs.
Now with that said, can morrality truly span from "I scratch ur back, u scratch mines" philosophy?
but ur looking at this from YOUR perspective. From a perspective where the world is perfect, but u forget that everybody has their own perspective on wat morality is. in US or Britain (or wherever ur from) its good if i scratch ur back u scratch mines. Somewhere else it may be good if u scratch my back, and i run off(or something like that). EVERYBODY has their own perspective, so how can we all agree that death is a bad thing, with out an absolute truth to guide us morally?
I really questioned what makes murder wrong and I've come to the conclusion...Don't we just want to be happy? We can get happiness from helpin others. So if you kill someone then you cause suffering...Which isn't your right and isn't right to do...
I totally agree, but i dont exactly see why you had to aim it at religious people and not just people in general, a true Christian does not go to church because they fear that they will go to hell if they don't, a true christian goes to church to be with their Lord, plain and simple.
If you can't find a reason to be good without god, you were never actually good in the first place. You're just a selfish self rightous person doing what you're told for the bribe of salvation & the threat of hell. There would be no such thing as a good person, just a good servent. Genuine goodness comes from caring about others & doing what's right for the sake of others, not for the sake of your god who has a gun at your head ready to fire or a million dollars ready to give to you.
ur really good enjoyed watching thsi video. the reason why there is reward is because were human and barbaric, if thier is a reward trust me just see what ur body does. we are this way even if its not a reward u have that shirt on ur back because u want it. were human were always gonna want things. we work..for money our reward. not to be good ;)
Very nice. As a spiritual-leaning agnostic; I agree completely, the purpose of "being good" is not something to base on fear or exchange, but rather it is something for it's own sake, and no other.
What in God's name does this have to do with what Pat said? Anyway take your relativist views to Saudi and see how far they get. Please take a stand because they already have and now it is upon you.
Classic relativism. I have more respect for the Jihad's, at least they take a stand on something unlike this kid. Maybe when he has the sword put to his throat he'll think otherwise.
How true......why should we feel the need to be 'rewarded' for acting and behaving with care towards one another? Unfortunately those who seek reward usually have an alterior motive or are very weak in character.
Apart from doing good towards one another the consequences of not behaing morally would surely devestate our race. Kind of in the same way religion is doing (or has been doing) for centuries........do I detect IRONY and Hipocrisy in regards to religion??
I think morality is about being sensitive towards other people's feelings. I think it could be seen as a wise quality, so that as a society of people we have a better chance of success and a better life.
Being immoral I think means you disregard the well being of others, perhaps because you might think that you don't need the strength of a society.
Perhaps immorality is a very strong case of anti-social.
Unfortunately, the atheist is scarcely as rational as a theist. For instance, there are some atheists who believe that there is such a thing as morality or that there is an actual purpose to their lives or humanity-maybe to be a good person or to better the world. However any argument trying to justify atheist motivations of different types such as moral, purpose, value or any behavior other than to satisfy immediate physical needs, will fall just as short, if not further than a theists.
That depends entirely on what one's view of morality or purpose is. Those two things can very much exist without a deity, unless you take a theistic view of those qualities. Too many people take the theistic view as the only view, and pose a false dichotomy of 'either the theistic morality/purpose or none at all'. In my opinion, that's a very shallow view of those things.
Ok, first of all I wasn't trying to imply that theists were the one's who have morality understood the correct way. My statement is that atheistic attempts to explain morality and motivation fall short and make just as little sense as a theists. For instance you said morality and purpose can exist (and I'm assuming by purpose you mean something other than satisfying physical needs). I'm challenging you to come up with justification in defense of those claims that is rational.
Why? I'm yet to be convinced that such things have to be rational. In fact, I agree that most attempts to rationally justify a moral outlook or a sense of purpose doesn't truly work, or at least aren't the full picture.
That, however, says nothing about whether they can exist or not. These things can exist for people without having solely rational justifications.
Belief in morality needs to be rationally justified. Societies develop laws, make accusations of wrongdoing, structure their lives, around the belief that they are doing something good, or that there is something wrong to be punished. There are different moral codes, some of which superior or inferior to others. I don't think you want to take your argument to a place where morality does not need to be justified because you will run into a slew of consequences that are undesirable.
Why does something have to be "rational" or have a "rational justification" to exist? Think also of this, there are many things that aren't rationally understood, while science, learning, philosophy, have helped to make justifications for some things (sometimes wrong in their justifications) there are many things we still do not understand in a rational capacity. Least of all, why people often choose irrational actions or thoughts over rational ones as an example. Yet those acts exist anyway.
Check the conversation with Clutchology for my answer to that question. To clarify though, of course justification can't in of itself make something exist. But the reason why you believe something, especially something as powerful as a belief in morality should be rationally justified. After all, you wouldn't want laws developed based on moral principles that someone made up on a whim would you? Why not just bring back the 'divine right' of nobility to bang your wife on your wedding night?
Certainly a fair question, though, I would point out that laws are not often based on morality, but rather the percieved "need" of those in power, to the extent that the people will give them. For example, the Patriot Act, while some might try to argue otherwise, is not based on morality. Even "moral" laws, such as those regarding marraige, are often based more on doctrine than morality. I think more, it is the enaction, or lack of enaction, of "morals" that requires justification.
But you may want to look at some of the studies that show the codes of morality in other primates. That should put to rest any notions that you have to read a book to have compassion.
Your answer back was about as clear as mud, you jump so erractically from one point to the next it's hard to grasp what you are actually trying to say! If your videos only affect the minority then what is the point in making them in the first place if you are then going to go ahead and freely offend the majority?
Because I'm concerned with the issues, not people. If an issue is raised, regardless of who or how many raised it, I will try to throw in my two cents. Most people are able to discern when a line of thinking does and doesn't apply to them and ignore those that don't. A few cant and get offended at videos that they feel misrepresent them. It's just the risk you take on a site like this. You're always going to offend someone, unfortunately.
But I get the feeling you still don't understand, right?
As a christian I can happily say I am not just nice to people for the glory of God or to go to Heaven. It is something that just comes naturally and if it is for the glory of God at the same time then that is amazing. I feel you cannot say all christians do it to reap a reward when you havnt experienced the view point of a christian perspective!
Unfortunately, not every Christian feels that way. It's a shame, and I would argue that they don't understand their system of ethics. The Christian outlook is mostly deontological in nature, but the 'no Heaven = no incentive' argument is a teleological one. I would never say all Christians think this. That would be such a loaded generalisation. But it doesn't defer from the fact that some do, and I still get asked "Why don't you just go on a killing spree then?" twenty times a day.
The video was only directed at the minority of people who think that, or those that don't think it but throw it out at the end of a discussion as some cheap shot (and believe me, that happens on both sides way too much).
I just don't have the time to make all these clarifications and disclaimers of intent before each video or it would max out before I even got to what I want to say.
Yeah but you realize that if there wasn't really a g0d it would be necessary for us to create one or it. But who the hell said we evolved from monkeys an apes ? Thats all gonna be funny since there's still always gonna be monkeys an apes.
Its true we all wanna be like something or some body to perfection or at lease its best. An those who still strive to be like g0d knowing good from evil we'll pray for them. Simple, simply because everyone who goes to church isn't going to make it to heaven, as well as those who don't go to church for because there is hope for those who don't go an those who do go.
Hope ya understand, but yeah Atheist are just better off just hoping they'll go to heaven "if there really is one". or at lease hoping the dead children go. Since There concern and mercy is upon them all.
yet all of that barely makes a wrinkle in time, and over 30,000 children die daily from starvation. If god were real, then this magical mofo i the sKy could snap his golden fingers and fix all this shit. So if he were real id say "FUCK HIM" for not giving a shit!!! hypothetically speaking he is an asshole.
But Fuhkthesystem take another look and open your ears Atheist, watch how many times you say god or even hope with out faith in it, ppl like you are actually somewhat funny to a believer. But even more so funny because you believe in yourself, an that you can do anything you put you're mind to, which is why we have humans today claim to be g0d an even Satan.
why would god have even created such things as auto-immune disorders, basel cell carcinoma (all cancer for that matter), the 47th chromosome in down syndrome, etc. If god created all life and life is as it was when he created, thus nothing has evolved (even though we all know viruses such as HIV evolve), then god created all the bacterias and microscopic organisms that attack our cellular structure when he created all life! why would a real god do that? or did we humans create him/her?
i am just a little atheist lemming in this big world. i try to do my best to fix what i can, and hopefully others like me will do the same: I protest for workers, women, child labor, and civil right, sign petitions, donate to unicef, watch who i buy goods from, who produced them, boycott products from conflict regions, march for aids, cancer, autism, pre-term labor, poverty, volunteer for habitat for humanity, etc...
'gayproundatheist'... you must be a troll. Just reading your bio, it reads like a christian teenager thinking up what's bad about atheists.
But if you are genuine, then that's a real shame. Morals do not belong solely to the religious. You're quite right that you don't have to feel bad about what you do to people, but you damn well should, if for no other reason than that you can expect to be treated the same way you treat others.
Your another close minded person who is going to hate bash me because I enjoy hot sex. Well, As I said as a free thinker I dont have to feel bad about what I do. I have that freedom. I dont live in fear by made up morals in a make up book. If it feels good do it as my Dads use to say. So back off me.
If you're just talking about consensual sex then I'm not judging you. It's not my place to do so. But you made the blanket statement that it doesn't matter what you do to other people, and that's just not true. We don't need a god to be accountable. We're accountable to ourselves and to eachother. I'm not closed minded or hate bashing you. As a gay, 25 year old atheist it would be an odd thing for me to be closed minded.
Thats right u CANT judge me so I can do anything i like. I agree i'm ONLY accountable to myself and as a free thinker i'm open minded nuff not to feel bad about anything i do. All that matters is i'm happy. So back off queen dont be a hater!
Well for me being a free thinker means I can decide for myself what I believe is right and wrong. It doesn't mean that by default everything is right and on the cards. There's a little thing called society which wouldn't function if we all took your attitude. Still, it's your life, I just hope you don't use it to hurt other people.
u keep judging me! your close minded. thats right i can decide for myself what I believe is right and wrong i dont need u or a fake make up book with rules telling me whats right or wrong. so back off already.
So what are you saying? That it's wrong of me to judge you? But I'm a free thinker, can't I do what I like?
You're only proving my point. We can be free thinkers and still have a social conscience. The wellbeing of others should be a factor in every decision we make.
There REALLY are some very wise teachings in the Bible. You must, however, winnow. That is to say you must separate the wheat from the chaff. You must separate wisdom from foolishness. How do you do this? You were given the means already. It is called a brain. Think about your beliefs. Do they stand up to rational thought? If not, you're becoming delusional.
good point but the reality is Humans arnt capable of being moral.if god dont exist then whats the point of living? why not kill myself right now and end all the struggles and pain.If you keep on convincing people that God dont exist.i hope ull take the blame for rise in the number of suicides.
you can be atheist if you want but why are you preaching it to the world?
if God should come and burn us all alive. i will still believe in him.
God exist.i pray for him to come and end humanity.
How ignorant can you be? Animals have certain morals and rules to abide by and they don't pray to invisible beings.
Why not kill yourself to end the struggles? That's pretty obvious. You deal with hard times because they pass, you don't kill yourself because things arent going the way you hoped because that'll bring horrible feelings to your loved ones. Why do you need a god to prevent you from killing yourself?
Atheists don't preach, religious people do. we just correct their bs with facts.
Absolutely right. This is why religion was INVENTED. People of power have been making up religions for years as a means of controlling the ignorant people beeath them in society and those subordinates have gobbled it up becuase they need something to follow and they crave some master/slave mentality of God looming over them in order to be moral. It's really rather sad.
Also I don't believe religious people do good soley to avoid punishment. The Christian's God says love your neighbour. Loving someone isn't something you can do just by wishing it to avoid punishment.
So I think morality is never simplistic.
Also any type of morality seems unenforcable accept by brute force and even then you can't stop people having "evil thoughts"
I am planning on doing another video on religion and I may mention this. It has already occured to me in my thoughts on the topic. And you just made it perfect sense! So simple and direct. Its even hard to question your words.
And its good to see you get many views on your videos, that means more people see them and hear words needed to be spread.
[By the way, your accent is cute and different. Are you originally from the USA?]
A lot of animals, such as zebras and apes, have moral codes in their societies. The will to be good is a result of a brain's conscience in the way that the will to eat is a result of the brain's hunger center.
can u pleas tell me what made u turn atheist or have u always been one.. what is it u actually belive in....cause my fiend just told me he was atheist and i want 2 no y people just all of a sudden just stop believing
In short, it's because I don't see any reason to believe in a god. I cannot intellectually justify the belief to myself.
I have a video on the subject, "Why Atheism?". It's slightly flawed, but I think it gets the message across well. It's the most watched and commented video on my channel if you want to watch it. I think it might help you.
If you're still having trouble with it, you can always shoot me a personal message. I'd be happy to help.
People are not used to sacrifice, evolution shaped us that way. For hundreds of thousands of years, I scratch your back, you scratch mine, it was the best way to survive. Sure, we created loads of shiny shit, but our brains haven't changed much, and after every good deed we hope a pat on our back.
Deontological constructs that cue moral behavior are functional while illusory.Utilitarian constructs that shape the same are amorphous while possessive of real-world quiddity.Obscurantism versus moral relativism...
Once a homeless dude aproached me and started beging for money.I decided to be generous and gave him some..knowing that it wouldn`t do me any good and people would call me a idiot for giving my money away to some stranger..
Strangely enough I felt a sence of inner con tentment,like it made a difference if only in a symbolic manner..
Probably one of the best of your videos I have watched! I have had this subject addressed to me several times, and people with religious views definitely think they have conquered the argument when they pull it out. Great quote from Einstein
no lusting is ill quote the dictionary "the strong physical desire to have sex with somebody usually without associated feelings of love or affection"
sure that has a little to do with the motives but im not talking about that im talking about going out and raping a chick
and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a flawed statement lets say person 1 wants person 2 to have sex with them according to that verse person 1 should rape person 2 because he wants it done back to them
-and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a flawed statement lets say person 1 wants person 2 to have sex with them according to that verse person 1 should rape person 2 because he wants it done back to them
You do not understand the meaning of that statement...
If person 1 rapes person 2 then person X; where x= every person in this world; will rape person 1.
well i think clutch does have a better rule it was actually the same one i came up with when i was thinking of a better one
but you as (probably) a Christian think that... ill quote the bible
"...that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
so the fact that you are interpreting your bible goes against it
it wasn't a personal interpretation, it was the CORRECT interpretation....your view about does it include if you want to get laid turns into a personal interpretation when clearly that is not what Jesus meant. you don't have to be a scholar to see that. so you didn't correct anything, in fact, you needed to be corrected. take care
The Orgasm is ment for creation only. Your sperm is a living organism that you kill everytime you ejeculate without the intention of creation. If you orgasm it is because you are selfish and that is contrary to what God is. You kill life for a moment of pleasure.
According to who? You? Contra, I would say the orgasm is meant for pleasure purposes. It is the biological incentive for sex.
The sperm is a living organism, but so are the cells on your nose that you kill in a holocaust every time you scratch it. You kill life for a moment of ridding yourself of an itch. How selfish!
And, just so you are aware, deriving moral ought's from biological are's is commonly known as a *naturalistic fallacy*. Remember that.
Yes, but only the sperm has an opportunity to become conscious and you take that opportunity away when you ejeculate into a sock, condom, mouth, etc. The reproductive organ is ment for just that, reproduction.
My morals come from my Father in Heaven, your creator.
Again, the naturalistic fallacy. Please address this.
I must also ask, what about all those other sperm that die even when sex does result in pregnancy? That's a lot of opportunity being wasted. Surely it's more moral to ejaculate into a cup and use every single sperm for artificial insemination to maximise every 'opportunity'?
All sperm are given a chance at life, but only a few are strong enough and lucky enough to actually get it. Those other sperm have no one to blame for their death but themselves.
That passage means that the Bible is not interpreted by the minds of natural men but only those whom have the Holy Spirit within them. These means that the spirit of God gives them the wisdom to understand it when they read. Those whom have the Holy spirit "see" through the "layers" that blind the unseeing.
Your faithless ideology is disproved by countless miracles every day - for example, at 0:55 your basketball miraculously reappears on your desk. Explain that, huh, buddy. It's a divine sign that God wants us to keep our rooms tidy. And if you don't, you will burn, burn, burn. The miracle of the basketball also proves that Michael Jordan is Jesus.
Seriously, the morality of all holy books was cooked up by the humans who invented (and plagiarized) them - which explains why they're all so bonkers.
I think we do good because we "believe" that it will pay us dividends, (physically, mentally, or both) either immediately or sometime in the future. And it is this "belief" that additionally makes one feel good inside, whether or not his belief is grounded in fact or even has the potential for playing out.
Belief, then, is like a self-prescribed drug. We medicate ourselves via belief.
Also, we do good because we know how it would feel if someone did good to us.
good vid mate....respect!
Altruism needs no religious dogma
NaturalSelection101 4 months ago
What annoys me is the Christians who try to force you into their way of believing saying that if you do not become a Christian, you will go to hell. I think it's narrow minded to believe the way you believe is the only right way. For one person's truth is not another person's truth. And truth isn't what's popular or most regarded, I think it's what each individual believes in.
sweetchild9513 9 months ago
I agree with you. However, being a christian, I do not do good works or behave morally just because I want to avoid punishment or earn a reward. I want to do things to help people because people need help. In addition, I'm not fake. Based on your perception of religious people that you described, I did not know that I fit into that category. Just being honest about myself. I can not speak for everyone else because I do not know their motives.
gmscorpio111691 9 months ago
@gmscorpio111691 This video was directed towards religious people who argue that there's no point in atheists or agnostics being good because they believe they wont be spiritually rewarded or punished.
I hope that religious people, such as yourself, that engage in good deeds for more genuine humanistic reasons can also understand why a non-believer would be good to others as well. If you do, then no, you don't fit into this category of religious person :-)
Clutchology 9 months ago
@Clutchology I understand, thanks for clarifying that. I do understand that one does not need to be religious in order to genuinely do good works for people out of the goodness of ones heart. I admit I did think that at one time. That was wrong what I thought. However, when I commented I was not thinking that way.
gmscorpio111691 9 months ago
You're so fit I couldn't focus on what you were saying :)
FarfettilLejl 11 months ago
very true indeed!
what you have described here is material religion and material life- - real religion means true love and devotion for God- its not a business deal or something that you do out of fear- real love dosn't expect a reward- most religions now a day don't teach one how to attain true love and devotion for God and in turn for all of God's creations- It would take too many words to tell here in this little space so check out purebhakti
mangalamata 11 months ago
it is not true okay..... I believes that one great Allah he who created every creature< so the atheists are completely wrong
lovelychances 1 year ago
Well said! Ur just so smart! ;)
julzabro 1 year ago
A group of evenly mixed-sex people dropped on a deserted island are going to discover quite quickly that certain things cannot be allowed if they are to survive - murder, rape, and stealing - all 3 would bring about retaliation. I suspect our ancient ancestors deduced the same through experience. They also learned that coveting, lusting, etc. could lead to 1 of the 3, and realized the consequences. That does not mean that everyone agreed or followed these 'morals' - no different than today.
satan1st666 1 year ago
I think we should say fuck morals, and eat eachother.
Monarch3436 1 year ago
where did we get the desires to do good or evil??
who granted us the ability to know what is morally good, even if we don't practice it as a lifestyle??
gardener2011 1 year ago
Faith allows different notions of morality. Christianity and Islam, for example, permit paedophilia (Abishag and Ayesha).
If you want to be a paedophile and feel good about it, you need a religion for that.
For a lot of people, that is reason enough for believing.
thallassocracy 1 year ago
If u think about it, the only thing that has a solid argument for being "immoral" is aggression. Murder, rape, genocide, slavery..they all fall under that line of natural "evil," if the line of reasoning is followed long enough.
theproperwhy 1 year ago
One thing this guy misunderstands, is we do not enter heaven based on good deeds but we enter heaven based on Grace by the sacrifice of Christ.
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Second, if no one is perfect, intellectually, physically, and most important emotionally, than we make mistakes, and it is impossible to reach heaven, based on our on goodness, the law of God would require punishement for Sin, everyone would be guilty.
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But in Christ our sins are forgiven in a life through him. not good deeds.
vipsamsam 1 year ago
Speech impediment with "R?"
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Anyway, good video. You read The God Delusion?
JuniperSprouts 1 year ago
Yes you are expecting too much out of humanity. Just jump in your car and take a slow drive on a motorway see how many two fingered salutes you get. Pick up any local newspaper read about the muggins, the vandalism ,spend a night in casuality see the nurses getting spat at for trying to help some drunk . You guys must live in your bedrooms on your computers. Try Ravi Zacharias videos.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
why do you look like you're taking a dump?
darklorddogg 1 year ago
Exactly my thoughts man. Relgious people aren't GENUINELY good. They're good because they think god is watching them at all times, and they think they'll be rewarded for it and go to heaven. Even IF there was a god (yeah i know, there isnt), he would surely know they weren't genuine at all and throw them in the burning lakes of fire... or whatever the hell supposedly happens to them. lol
weepaul666 1 year ago
@weepaul666 Wrong way out wrong. You know so little I see you have been brainwashed by the media and all the Anti_Christ propaganda. And it sounds like you have never spoken to any real Christians. You are right about if God exists (I believe he does) he would know which persons giving is genuine and which is feigned. Hell is the fire of regret that you chose not to believe that you are an impure being and therefore miss out on eternal life.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 LOL. I'm brainwashed? You're the one who believes in something that can't be proven. Clearly you were told that a god exists and you blindly accepted it. That is what you call brainwashed. I'm realistic. I do not *choose* beliefs, I rely on evidence. I have a couple of friends, who are quite intelligent, that are christians, yet can't explain to me rationally why they believe in a god. It always end with, "well it's a faith thing"
weepaul666 1 year ago
@weepaul666 Where there is a design there is a designer . Look at the complexity of the cell. How did the information get there. It takes more faith to believe that Nothing blew up and hey presto you have a universe with no end infinity and beyond. The wonder of nature is the hand writing of a great designer. The proof is in you.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Then I'll ask the same question that I've asked many. What created god then? Oh, but it's ok for "him" to have always been. haha. If not, then that means something created him, then something created that, then that... it goes on and on til a point where that was just something that has always been. Why do christians not accept that the universe couldn't have always been, but then dismiss the same idea about god. Reiculous
weepaul666 1 year ago
@weepaul666 It's a possibility but if you look at nature and tie it in with Jesus and the people who follow Him. Everyone agrees that he was a great teacher but how could he be great and spout lies about "Eternal Life " and Him being The way the Truth The resurrection. he was either liar or lunatic or who He said He was The son of God.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Wow, is that honestly your defense? So you think it's more likely that he is the son of god rather than a lunatic? How many people claim to be the son of god these days and are seen as lunatics? Too many to count. That's the reason Jesus was crucified, because he spoke the same as a lot of these lunatics do today. But it's accepted that Jesus was the truth just because it was a long time ago and many people believe, so it's easier for you to do so. Time to think for yourself
weepaul666 1 year ago
@weepaul666 Very plausable If there is a God a creator a master designer it's very possible and easy for God to visit us in human form i.e. Jesus. Have you learned nothing from his teachings. Just one principle" Do to others as you would have them do to you" would transform this upside down world would it not? By the way I'm not defending I'm discussing.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Learned nothing? You say that as if I'm meant to read it and just accept that it's true, and not question it at all, which seems to be the case for most believers. I hardly doubt you question it either. You keep saying it's very possible. Well of course it's possible. It's not IMpossible, BUT highly unlikely
weepaul666 1 year ago
@weepaul666 A parable for you. You find a car in an old abandoned shed there is no manual you try different manuals until you find the one that answers all the questions and makes everything work. Thats the bible it ministers life, everything works. The car is preserved Read Proverbs Listen to Ravi Zacharias for a balance to your views.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@weepaul666 It's also acepted by you guys that we came from Monkeys over an even longer time?
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Wow, here we go. You automatically assume I must be a believer of evolution. This shows you have ignorant and small minded you are, as if there's only TWO possibilities. There are MILLIONS of possibilities to how we got here, yet here we are somehow narrowed it down to TWO, both which have no real evidence. You need to go educate yourself. You seem to just do what you're told and not use your brain at all.
weepaul666 1 year ago
@weepaul666 Here we go on the same old pattern of the atheist. You take the intellectual higher ground and tell the Christian he's an idiot. End of conversation. I'm off to bed take care ye'all.
rocksoli4 1 year ago
@rocksoli4 Haha, well I'd have to agree with that. I am more intelligent than you. Don't you find it odd that atheists ARE highly intelligent, whereas most christians aren't? lol. I don't care if I come off as arrogant. I'm all about telling it like it is. And that "parable" you were on about... Simply hilarious. Doesn't prove a thing, and neither does the bible. I've read the bible. Doesn't prove a thing. Ok, off you go to bed. Enjoy more of your fairytales in dreamland. Haha
weepaul666 1 year ago
Religion replaces our innate morality. For most hardcore religious individuals, their moral compass is off base. I say this from experience with several religious organizations.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago 6
If there is no absolute good and bad than WHO decides what is moral? If it is the individual, what would stop someone from saying a certain race of people was bad for humanity and that we should exterminate them all? Furthermore, what kind of person would do everything they could to stop such a person? Would it be someone who believes moral truth is relative? OR would it be someone who believes that God came in the flesh and died for you and I (HIS SINFUL ENEMIES) so we could go to heaven.
tipsband004 2 years ago
From what I've seen, it is those that believe in absolute morality that often create and propagate the conflicts so many of us despise.
It tends to create a mentality in which you can't be reasoned with. You're right. They're wrong. End of story. It eliminates the need for strong justifications and creates a demonisation of the opposition.
Personally I think even if there is an absolute morality we should approach it psychologically and pragmatically as if it were relative.
Clutchology 2 years ago
Well yes, but the problem with this is that your view is just as much of a "I'm right, yor wrong" view because you are also making a presupposition- that moralality is not absolute. I don't think there is any real middle ground in this. What do you think about that?
tipsband004 2 years ago
PS (even if you are actually saying that we can't know if morality is absolute or not, that of course is still a presupposition meaning the antithesis that morality is absolute and we can know it is wrong)
tipsband004 2 years ago
You implied that those who believe in absolute morality are better people and strive more to make the world better. I would disagree with that. This has nothing to do with presuppositions. Of course we all suppose we are correct in our views. What I am talking about is how we approach those whose opinions differ.
Clutchology 2 years ago
There is a difference here. My view that morality is relative and another's that is absolute can easily be discussed, no harm done. Someone who believes they are good on absolute moral grounds, however, will rarely be willing to compromise with those who they feel are on absolute evil grounds. Why would they compromise? This in turn tends to create the conflict and the 'evil' they oppose.
The problem is that those who believe in absolutism often believe they KNOW that morality. That kills talk.
Clutchology 2 years ago
The Bible says that "No one understands, no one seeks God. All have turned away like a broad of vipers. Together they have become worthless (Romans 3).
Paul says in Romans 5 that we are enemies of God.
Jerimiah 17:9 says our sin is so deep that nobody could know how deep it goes.
Even as a VERY strong Christian, Paul considered Himself "the worst of sinners" in 1 Timothy.
The gospel is Jesus dying for his enemies and man RESPONDING by loving others.
tipsband004 2 years ago
(continued) With this in mind, yes a Christian believes they have discernment of right and wrong from the born again experience of going from spiritual death to life. They however are still the worst of sinners and it is only Christ's perfect life, death, and resurrection in them that justifies their going to heaven..... not their own good works or rationalizing because before being born again, they can't help but be hostile to God, whether they know it or not.
tipsband004 2 years ago
(continued 2)
Finally and most importantly, a Christian is simply called to LOVE HIS/HER ENEMIES and there is a reason. That is because Christ first loved them.
I realize this may just be your everyday preachy Christian talk that might not seem like it even has to do with our conversation, but if Jesus really was God, than it has everything to do with it... and the reason I explained it is because I want to make sure you at least know the Bible's TRUE message (not the watered down versio
tipsband004 2 years ago
Morality is nothing more then then a compromise, or an understanding so organizems can co-exist in an environment. If a person is alone on an Island, morality would be little to no use.
What that Agreement for morals is can change depending on the Organizem or the environment. People decide there own morality and join environment that share it.
Thats why there are many type of society. That is why we have personal morals and sociel morals. And why there is no absolote morality.
MentalAtheist 2 years ago 4
Brilliant videos dude!!!
lexmurphy 2 years ago
rich people who don't need help from anyone are the most immoral people out there.
immortalmutation 2 years ago
you're brilliant
Dipndotz214 2 years ago
you should read Frederick Nietsche's work "the madman"
p.s. this is the golden rule " whoever has the most gold makes the rules"
womule2005 2 years ago
Good vid mate!
didymus2000 2 years ago
This is one of the best videos I've seen in a few months.
Good job!
Incenderio 2 years ago
You are awesome!!!
charlesboster 2 years ago
Oh my, the worst video I've seen in a few months. "We should smile because other people like it when we smile at them." ...
Kurtyoungblood 3 years ago
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Wow, first atheists want you to deny the existtence of God, and now they're trying to get you to commit bad deeds. Satan is really taking this world with him to the lake of fire.
LightDrkAngel 3 years ago
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i agree, athEIsts try to be victims. they think scientists are 100% correct 100% of the time, they are never wrong. BULSHIT.UNLESS SCIENTISTS ARE PERFECT AND GET EVERYTHING CORRECT AND NEVER WRONG ATHEISTS CAND SHUT THE FUCK UP
xxwaterxxz 3 years ago
get real
SaerdnaOoOoo 3 years ago
he wasint trying to get you to do bad things, he was saying that we should be kind just for the sake of being kind not so we can get into heaven.
spinksy1979 2 years ago
youngmallet
Are you saying that you don't feel good about yourself when you help others? Every time I help other people I feel better about myself, even if it means I have to give up something of mine.
ozzle 3 years ago
if people felt good helping others, then you would see a better world, corruption would not be reigning in the US government today, wars would not even be a topic....and so on. It RARELY feels good to do good. And even after doing that good deed, very few feel a sense of righteousness. If you are one of the few, may God bless you friend.
youngmallet 3 years ago
cursive?
chasesmity 3 years ago
And yes, there are alot of religious ppl (including christians) who do good out of fear of punishment, or just for the idea of being rewarded. But that does not make them the protocol of the Christian beliefs. I'll tell u now, those christians are wrong for doing so becuz the bible teaches something COMPLETELY different.
"Love because you are loved"
"Forgive because you've been forgiven"
"Bless because you've been blessed"
(all paraphrased)
youngmallet 3 years ago
I saw a comment basically talking about our conscience. Sayin something like "everyone's goal is to live happily" and "it feels good to do good". Well, in so many ways, thats just plain nonsense.
1. Our conscience can be so easily corrupt (just ask hitler)
2. It RARELY feels good to do good. Doing good usually requires sacrificing something of urs.
Now with that said, can morrality truly span from "I scratch ur back, u scratch mines" philosophy?
youngmallet 3 years ago
No.
Kurtyoungblood 3 years ago
but ur looking at this from YOUR perspective. From a perspective where the world is perfect, but u forget that everybody has their own perspective on wat morality is. in US or Britain (or wherever ur from) its good if i scratch ur back u scratch mines. Somewhere else it may be good if u scratch my back, and i run off(or something like that). EVERYBODY has their own perspective, so how can we all agree that death is a bad thing, with out an absolute truth to guide us morally?
youngmallet 3 years ago
I really questioned what makes murder wrong and I've come to the conclusion...Don't we just want to be happy? We can get happiness from helpin others. So if you kill someone then you cause suffering...Which isn't your right and isn't right to do...
dandaman2206 3 years ago
Why the gay background music, totaly fucked your video dude. Its cawk squating fruity queer mall music for 14yr olds.
ladyboyloadsdotcom 3 years ago
I totally agree, but i dont exactly see why you had to aim it at religious people and not just people in general, a true Christian does not go to church because they fear that they will go to hell if they don't, a true christian goes to church to be with their Lord, plain and simple.
2011Productions 3 years ago
Classic relativism but will it work in the real world?
If you can break the law and get away with it
Why not
bartgafooley 3 years ago
I totally understand and agree from where you're coming from:)
I think alot of Christians are truly kind and that's what Jesus taught us:)
Sure he said there was a reward for living a good life...
BUT he also emphasized selflessness and the need to do good simply for the sake of doing so:)
SirFoggy2Doped 3 years ago
Great video mate!
10shinhan 3 years ago
If you can't find a reason to be good without god, you were never actually good in the first place. You're just a selfish self rightous person doing what you're told for the bribe of salvation & the threat of hell. There would be no such thing as a good person, just a good servent. Genuine goodness comes from caring about others & doing what's right for the sake of others, not for the sake of your god who has a gun at your head ready to fire or a million dollars ready to give to you.
kiwisunshine5233 3 years ago
Right an man has told us we can do whatever we put our minds to
Youngl3lood 3 years ago
ur really good enjoyed watching thsi video. the reason why there is reward is because were human and barbaric, if thier is a reward trust me just see what ur body does. we are this way even if its not a reward u have that shirt on ur back because u want it. were human were always gonna want things. we work..for money our reward. not to be good ;)
xStryfx 3 years ago
Very nice. As a spiritual-leaning agnostic; I agree completely, the purpose of "being good" is not something to base on fear or exchange, but rather it is something for it's own sake, and no other.
*shrug*
tsenzei 3 years ago
What in God's name does this have to do with what Pat said? Anyway take your relativist views to Saudi and see how far they get. Please take a stand because they already have and now it is upon you.
shaybshay 3 years ago
Not everything needs to be directly connected, or obviously so.
tsenzei 3 years ago
Classic relativism. I have more respect for the Jihad's, at least they take a stand on something unlike this kid. Maybe when he has the sword put to his throat he'll think otherwise.
shaybshay 3 years ago
How true......why should we feel the need to be 'rewarded' for acting and behaving with care towards one another? Unfortunately those who seek reward usually have an alterior motive or are very weak in character.
Apart from doing good towards one another the consequences of not behaing morally would surely devestate our race. Kind of in the same way religion is doing (or has been doing) for centuries........do I detect IRONY and Hipocrisy in regards to religion??
Ansett76 3 years ago
I think morality is about being sensitive towards other people's feelings. I think it could be seen as a wise quality, so that as a society of people we have a better chance of success and a better life.
Being immoral I think means you disregard the well being of others, perhaps because you might think that you don't need the strength of a society.
Perhaps immorality is a very strong case of anti-social.
a1mint 3 years ago
Unfortunately, the atheist is scarcely as rational as a theist. For instance, there are some atheists who believe that there is such a thing as morality or that there is an actual purpose to their lives or humanity-maybe to be a good person or to better the world. However any argument trying to justify atheist motivations of different types such as moral, purpose, value or any behavior other than to satisfy immediate physical needs, will fall just as short, if not further than a theists.
billyjoet99 3 years ago
That depends entirely on what one's view of morality or purpose is. Those two things can very much exist without a deity, unless you take a theistic view of those qualities. Too many people take the theistic view as the only view, and pose a false dichotomy of 'either the theistic morality/purpose or none at all'. In my opinion, that's a very shallow view of those things.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Ok, first of all I wasn't trying to imply that theists were the one's who have morality understood the correct way. My statement is that atheistic attempts to explain morality and motivation fall short and make just as little sense as a theists. For instance you said morality and purpose can exist (and I'm assuming by purpose you mean something other than satisfying physical needs). I'm challenging you to come up with justification in defense of those claims that is rational.
billyjoet99 3 years ago
Why? I'm yet to be convinced that such things have to be rational. In fact, I agree that most attempts to rationally justify a moral outlook or a sense of purpose doesn't truly work, or at least aren't the full picture.
That, however, says nothing about whether they can exist or not. These things can exist for people without having solely rational justifications.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Belief in morality needs to be rationally justified. Societies develop laws, make accusations of wrongdoing, structure their lives, around the belief that they are doing something good, or that there is something wrong to be punished. There are different moral codes, some of which superior or inferior to others. I don't think you want to take your argument to a place where morality does not need to be justified because you will run into a slew of consequences that are undesirable.
billyjoet99 3 years ago
I'm actually quite surprised that an atheist would argue for belief in the existence of things without rational justification.
billyjoet99 3 years ago
Why does something have to be "rational" or have a "rational justification" to exist? Think also of this, there are many things that aren't rationally understood, while science, learning, philosophy, have helped to make justifications for some things (sometimes wrong in their justifications) there are many things we still do not understand in a rational capacity. Least of all, why people often choose irrational actions or thoughts over rational ones as an example. Yet those acts exist anyway.
tsenzei 3 years ago
Check the conversation with Clutchology for my answer to that question. To clarify though, of course justification can't in of itself make something exist. But the reason why you believe something, especially something as powerful as a belief in morality should be rationally justified. After all, you wouldn't want laws developed based on moral principles that someone made up on a whim would you? Why not just bring back the 'divine right' of nobility to bang your wife on your wedding night?
billyjoet99 3 years ago
Certainly a fair question, though, I would point out that laws are not often based on morality, but rather the percieved "need" of those in power, to the extent that the people will give them. For example, the Patriot Act, while some might try to argue otherwise, is not based on morality. Even "moral" laws, such as those regarding marraige, are often based more on doctrine than morality. I think more, it is the enaction, or lack of enaction, of "morals" that requires justification.
*shrug*
tsenzei 3 years ago
Good video but you began repeating yourself, it was a solid point and I definitely agree but you dragged it on maybe 20 seconds too long.
RIPRedwood 3 years ago
*Pauses to evaluate*
I agree.
But you may want to look at some of the studies that show the codes of morality in other primates. That should put to rest any notions that you have to read a book to have compassion.
"Should" being the operative word, of course.
atriqus 3 years ago
Yep. Check the very first comments on this video. They pretty much mirror what you just said.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Your answer back was about as clear as mud, you jump so erractically from one point to the next it's hard to grasp what you are actually trying to say! If your videos only affect the minority then what is the point in making them in the first place if you are then going to go ahead and freely offend the majority?
lowz89 3 years ago
Because I'm concerned with the issues, not people. If an issue is raised, regardless of who or how many raised it, I will try to throw in my two cents. Most people are able to discern when a line of thinking does and doesn't apply to them and ignore those that don't. A few cant and get offended at videos that they feel misrepresent them. It's just the risk you take on a site like this. You're always going to offend someone, unfortunately.
But I get the feeling you still don't understand, right?
Clutchology 3 years ago
ur about as clear as mud.
is this ur opinion ur actually stating or a-level r.s?
Lozzie2kuk 3 years ago
im with Lowri, ur messin with stuff u dont know and you should stop.
Lozzie2kuk 3 years ago
As a christian I can happily say I am not just nice to people for the glory of God or to go to Heaven. It is something that just comes naturally and if it is for the glory of God at the same time then that is amazing. I feel you cannot say all christians do it to reap a reward when you havnt experienced the view point of a christian perspective!
lowz89 3 years ago
Unfortunately, not every Christian feels that way. It's a shame, and I would argue that they don't understand their system of ethics. The Christian outlook is mostly deontological in nature, but the 'no Heaven = no incentive' argument is a teleological one. I would never say all Christians think this. That would be such a loaded generalisation. But it doesn't defer from the fact that some do, and I still get asked "Why don't you just go on a killing spree then?" twenty times a day.
Clutchology 3 years ago
The video was only directed at the minority of people who think that, or those that don't think it but throw it out at the end of a discussion as some cheap shot (and believe me, that happens on both sides way too much).
I just don't have the time to make all these clarifications and disclaimers of intent before each video or it would max out before I even got to what I want to say.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Yeah but you realize that if there wasn't really a g0d it would be necessary for us to create one or it. But who the hell said we evolved from monkeys an apes ? Thats all gonna be funny since there's still always gonna be monkeys an apes.
Youngl3lood 3 years ago
Its true we all wanna be like something or some body to perfection or at lease its best. An those who still strive to be like g0d knowing good from evil we'll pray for them. Simple, simply because everyone who goes to church isn't going to make it to heaven, as well as those who don't go to church for because there is hope for those who don't go an those who do go.
Youngl3lood 3 years ago
So god only hopes that we love him as he loved us an loves us, and so why isn't or shouldn't hope be apart of love and wisdom ?
Youngl3lood 3 years ago
Hope ya understand, but yeah Atheist are just better off just hoping they'll go to heaven "if there really is one". or at lease hoping the dead children go. Since There concern and mercy is upon them all.
Youngl3lood 3 years ago
yet all of that barely makes a wrinkle in time, and over 30,000 children die daily from starvation. If god were real, then this magical mofo i the sKy could snap his golden fingers and fix all this shit. So if he were real id say "FUCK HIM" for not giving a shit!!! hypothetically speaking he is an asshole.
FuhkTheSystem 3 years ago
But Fuhkthesystem take another look and open your ears Atheist, watch how many times you say god or even hope with out faith in it, ppl like you are actually somewhat funny to a believer. But even more so funny because you believe in yourself, an that you can do anything you put you're mind to, which is why we have humans today claim to be g0d an even Satan.
Youngl3lood 3 years ago
why would god have even created such things as auto-immune disorders, basel cell carcinoma (all cancer for that matter), the 47th chromosome in down syndrome, etc. If god created all life and life is as it was when he created, thus nothing has evolved (even though we all know viruses such as HIV evolve), then god created all the bacterias and microscopic organisms that attack our cellular structure when he created all life! why would a real god do that? or did we humans create him/her?
FuhkTheSystem 3 years ago
i am just a little atheist lemming in this big world. i try to do my best to fix what i can, and hopefully others like me will do the same: I protest for workers, women, child labor, and civil right, sign petitions, donate to unicef, watch who i buy goods from, who produced them, boycott products from conflict regions, march for aids, cancer, autism, pre-term labor, poverty, volunteer for habitat for humanity, etc...
FuhkTheSystem 3 years ago
MORALS are just a DUMB thing people of faith made up to control. As a free thinker I dont have to feel bad about what I do to people. I'm free.
gayproundatheist 3 years ago
'gayproundatheist'... you must be a troll. Just reading your bio, it reads like a christian teenager thinking up what's bad about atheists.
But if you are genuine, then that's a real shame. Morals do not belong solely to the religious. You're quite right that you don't have to feel bad about what you do to people, but you damn well should, if for no other reason than that you can expect to be treated the same way you treat others.
andytoz 3 years ago
Your another close minded person who is going to hate bash me because I enjoy hot sex. Well, As I said as a free thinker I dont have to feel bad about what I do. I have that freedom. I dont live in fear by made up morals in a make up book. If it feels good do it as my Dads use to say. So back off me.
gayproundatheist 3 years ago
If you're just talking about consensual sex then I'm not judging you. It's not my place to do so. But you made the blanket statement that it doesn't matter what you do to other people, and that's just not true. We don't need a god to be accountable. We're accountable to ourselves and to eachother. I'm not closed minded or hate bashing you. As a gay, 25 year old atheist it would be an odd thing for me to be closed minded.
andytoz 3 years ago
Thats right u CANT judge me so I can do anything i like. I agree i'm ONLY accountable to myself and as a free thinker i'm open minded nuff not to feel bad about anything i do. All that matters is i'm happy. So back off queen dont be a hater!
gayproundatheist 3 years ago
Well for me being a free thinker means I can decide for myself what I believe is right and wrong. It doesn't mean that by default everything is right and on the cards. There's a little thing called society which wouldn't function if we all took your attitude. Still, it's your life, I just hope you don't use it to hurt other people.
andytoz 3 years ago
u keep judging me! your close minded. thats right i can decide for myself what I believe is right and wrong i dont need u or a fake make up book with rules telling me whats right or wrong. so back off already.
gayproundatheist 3 years ago
So what are you saying? That it's wrong of me to judge you? But I'm a free thinker, can't I do what I like?
You're only proving my point. We can be free thinkers and still have a social conscience. The wellbeing of others should be a factor in every decision we make.
andytoz 3 years ago
Thats right my social conscience is cool wit what ever i do and thats all that matters is i'm happy. peace out.
gayproundatheist 3 years ago
There REALLY are some very wise teachings in the Bible. You must, however, winnow. That is to say you must separate the wheat from the chaff. You must separate wisdom from foolishness. How do you do this? You were given the means already. It is called a brain. Think about your beliefs. Do they stand up to rational thought? If not, you're becoming delusional.
reebolator 3 years ago
good point but the reality is Humans arnt capable of being moral.if god dont exist then whats the point of living? why not kill myself right now and end all the struggles and pain.If you keep on convincing people that God dont exist.i hope ull take the blame for rise in the number of suicides.
you can be atheist if you want but why are you preaching it to the world?
if God should come and burn us all alive. i will still believe in him.
God exist.i pray for him to come and end humanity.
ashantilongislant 3 years ago
How ignorant can you be? Animals have certain morals and rules to abide by and they don't pray to invisible beings.
Why not kill yourself to end the struggles? That's pretty obvious. You deal with hard times because they pass, you don't kill yourself because things arent going the way you hoped because that'll bring horrible feelings to your loved ones. Why do you need a god to prevent you from killing yourself?
Atheists don't preach, religious people do. we just correct their bs with facts.
crb1031 3 years ago
Good point
well said.
Serafin1989 3 years ago
Absolutely right. This is why religion was INVENTED. People of power have been making up religions for years as a means of controlling the ignorant people beeath them in society and those subordinates have gobbled it up becuase they need something to follow and they crave some master/slave mentality of God looming over them in order to be moral. It's really rather sad.
rhalas 3 years ago
great video. you are exactly right!
Other4815 3 years ago
Also I don't believe religious people do good soley to avoid punishment. The Christian's God says love your neighbour. Loving someone isn't something you can do just by wishing it to avoid punishment.
So I think morality is never simplistic.
Also any type of morality seems unenforcable accept by brute force and even then you can't stop people having "evil thoughts"
Andrew4Handel 3 years ago
Love your neighbour as you love yourself, yeap, and you can only do this (or even hate urself) Rightfully through the bible only
Youngl3lood 3 years ago
What incentives did the Nazi's have to behave in a moral way?
Andrew4Handel 3 years ago
You can really make people think outside the box. You never cease to amaze me. Keep it up!
xXVoiceOfThePeopleXx 3 years ago
I am planning on doing another video on religion and I may mention this. It has already occured to me in my thoughts on the topic. And you just made it perfect sense! So simple and direct. Its even hard to question your words.
And its good to see you get many views on your videos, that means more people see them and hear words needed to be spread.
[By the way, your accent is cute and different. Are you originally from the USA?]
Braindiscovering 3 years ago
A lot of animals, such as zebras and apes, have moral codes in their societies. The will to be good is a result of a brain's conscience in the way that the will to eat is a result of the brain's hunger center.
thimoneus 3 years ago
i am Lutheran and i belive god with all my heart
can u pleas tell me what made u turn atheist or have u always been one.. what is it u actually belive in....cause my fiend just told me he was atheist and i want 2 no y people just all of a sudden just stop believing
2010820jj 3 years ago
In short, it's because I don't see any reason to believe in a god. I cannot intellectually justify the belief to myself.
I have a video on the subject, "Why Atheism?". It's slightly flawed, but I think it gets the message across well. It's the most watched and commented video on my channel if you want to watch it. I think it might help you.
If you're still having trouble with it, you can always shoot me a personal message. I'd be happy to help.
Clutchology 3 years ago
People are not used to sacrifice, evolution shaped us that way. For hundreds of thousands of years, I scratch your back, you scratch mine, it was the best way to survive. Sure, we created loads of shiny shit, but our brains haven't changed much, and after every good deed we hope a pat on our back.
ArtypNk 3 years ago
Deontological constructs that cue moral behavior are functional while illusory.Utilitarian constructs that shape the same are amorphous while possessive of real-world quiddity.Obscurantism versus moral relativism...
djnross 3 years ago
"Is goodness for a reward true goodness?"
It depends on who the authority of goodness is.
RacerrX 3 years ago
Once a homeless dude aproached me and started beging for money.I decided to be generous and gave him some..knowing that it wouldn`t do me any good and people would call me a idiot for giving my money away to some stranger..
Strangely enough I felt a sence of inner con tentment,like it made a difference if only in a symbolic manner..
augustina91 3 years ago
Badass
Rahab111222 3 years ago
Probably one of the best of your videos I have watched! I have had this subject addressed to me several times, and people with religious views definitely think they have conquered the argument when they pull it out. Great quote from Einstein
sa612136 3 years ago
God bless you
SavedByJesus7 3 years ago
Interesting.
Chuloloc 3 years ago
that dose make alot of sence, why not do something good for the sake of being good?
why should you expect something in retarn beside's someone saying thank you.
outcastwarlord 3 years ago
the golden rule Mat 7:12.
nesquik 3 years ago
well nesquik that verse basically says do unto others as you would have them do unto you
does this include if you want to get laid...
jafabulated 3 years ago
no this does not include that. that would be lusting...
nesquik 3 years ago
no lusting is ill quote the dictionary "the strong physical desire to have sex with somebody usually without associated feelings of love or affection"
sure that has a little to do with the motives but im not talking about that im talking about going out and raping a chick
and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a flawed statement lets say person 1 wants person 2 to have sex with them according to that verse person 1 should rape person 2 because he wants it done back to them
jafabulated 3 years ago
I think a better rule would be "If you want others to treat you how you want to be treated, you should treat others as they want to be treated."
I'm sure it's not perfect, but it seems to get around that problem, which I think might be taking the statement too literally anyway.
Clutchology 3 years ago
yea i came up with "treat others as you would have them treat you" (basically the same as what you came up with except shorter)
i haven't encountered a problem with it so far (emphases on the so far)...
i find it funny that we have to correct a "perfect" book, and this is just 1 out of hundreds if you like i can quote some more
jafabulated 3 years ago
-and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a flawed statement lets say person 1 wants person 2 to have sex with them according to that verse person 1 should rape person 2 because he wants it done back to them
You do not understand the meaning of that statement...
If person 1 rapes person 2 then person X; where x= every person in this world; will rape person 1.
TheMessengerY2K 3 years ago
sorry jafa, but your really twisting scripture... clutchologoy has the correct interpretation of it. =D
nesquik 3 years ago
well i think clutch does have a better rule it was actually the same one i came up with when i was thinking of a better one
but you as (probably) a Christian think that... ill quote the bible
"...that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
so the fact that you are interpreting your bible goes against it
jafabulated 3 years ago
it wasn't a personal interpretation, it was the CORRECT interpretation....your view about does it include if you want to get laid turns into a personal interpretation when clearly that is not what Jesus meant. you don't have to be a scholar to see that. so you didn't correct anything, in fact, you needed to be corrected. take care
nesquik 3 years ago
correct according to who? the bible clearly says DO unto others as you would have them DO unto you.
to do something includes all actions including sex
your correcting me wrongly
jafabulated 3 years ago
The Orgasm is ment for creation only. Your sperm is a living organism that you kill everytime you ejeculate without the intention of creation. If you orgasm it is because you are selfish and that is contrary to what God is. You kill life for a moment of pleasure.
TheMessengerY2K 3 years ago
"The Orgasm is ment for creation only."
According to who? You? Contra, I would say the orgasm is meant for pleasure purposes. It is the biological incentive for sex.
The sperm is a living organism, but so are the cells on your nose that you kill in a holocaust every time you scratch it. You kill life for a moment of ridding yourself of an itch. How selfish!
And, just so you are aware, deriving moral ought's from biological are's is commonly known as a *naturalistic fallacy*. Remember that.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Yes, but only the sperm has an opportunity to become conscious and you take that opportunity away when you ejeculate into a sock, condom, mouth, etc. The reproductive organ is ment for just that, reproduction.
My morals come from my Father in Heaven, your creator.
TheMessengerY2K 3 years ago
Again, the naturalistic fallacy. Please address this.
I must also ask, what about all those other sperm that die even when sex does result in pregnancy? That's a lot of opportunity being wasted. Surely it's more moral to ejaculate into a cup and use every single sperm for artificial insemination to maximise every 'opportunity'?
Just following your reasoning there.
Clutchology 3 years ago
All sperm are given a chance at life, but only a few are strong enough and lucky enough to actually get it. Those other sperm have no one to blame for their death but themselves.
TheMessengerY2K 3 years ago
I think that might be the funniest comment someone has left on my videos. Well done.
Clutchology 3 years ago
You look, but you do not see...
That passage means that the Bible is not interpreted by the minds of natural men but only those whom have the Holy Spirit within them. These means that the spirit of God gives them the wisdom to understand it when they read. Those whom have the Holy spirit "see" through the "layers" that blind the unseeing.
TheMessengerY2K 3 years ago
Virtue is it`s own reward. It is the ONLY true path to REAL peace of mind,and a clear conscience.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Virtue ethics is an interesting system. I chose that as my major in my Ethics & Moral Philosophy course.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Your faithless ideology is disproved by countless miracles every day - for example, at 0:55 your basketball miraculously reappears on your desk. Explain that, huh, buddy. It's a divine sign that God wants us to keep our rooms tidy. And if you don't, you will burn, burn, burn. The miracle of the basketball also proves that Michael Jordan is Jesus.
Seriously, the morality of all holy books was cooked up by the humans who invented (and plagiarized) them - which explains why they're all so bonkers.
47f0 3 years ago
I think I should have tax exemption status for recording the first ever 'beyond a doubt' miracle on camera. I'll be a religious icon!
Clutchology 3 years ago
I like decha's views on morality.
"If you can't understand how I can be moral without god. I can't understand how you can be left alone with children."
FreePrometheus 3 years ago
You make Atheism look bad.
SonOfADeathBed 3 years ago
well said
viathor 3 years ago
people who only abide by morals just not to go to hell ARE NOT MORAL PEOPLE.
rdlmuffin 3 years ago
I think we do good because we "believe" that it will pay us dividends, (physically, mentally, or both) either immediately or sometime in the future. And it is this "belief" that additionally makes one feel good inside, whether or not his belief is grounded in fact or even has the potential for playing out.
Belief, then, is like a self-prescribed drug. We medicate ourselves via belief.
Also, we do good because we know how it would feel if someone did good to us.
skewed12 3 years ago
its really not even worth the bother asking these types of questions. its just a war that will never be won...
awsome screen name btw!
schultzee101 3 years ago
"...the fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom."
0sins 3 years ago
lol
samometal 3 years ago 2
The Golden Rule isn't about having others do good to you in return. It's about thinking of the other person INSTEAD of yourself
sOLeeSoL 3 years ago
I know, but I needed to present a teleological version of it for this video.
Clutchology 3 years ago
YES.
AtheistsRule745 3 years ago
C'mon, Limp Bizkit, really?
I know the lyrics kind of deal with what you are talking about, and this is Limp Bizkit's least worst song, but c'mon.
brutus149 3 years ago
Molliepet, God also said that pi equals 3.
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fracturedfist 3 years ago
oh btw excellent vid 5/5
kentmage 3 years ago
Thanks for the compliment ;)
kentmage 3 years ago