The typical "9-to-5" mentality in this country is quickly wearing thin anyway. A lot more of us in the African American community are working on becoming entrepreneurs. We are just trained to finish high school, then get a college degree. Then, still, from then on, we are told that the only real way to have an income of ANY kind is to just become paid "slaves".
I agree with a lot of what you said, but there's an underlying premise that "owning a business" is the pinnacle or success, or at least more successfull than working for someone. I used to feel this way myself until I investigated starting a business.
Some of the benefits of NOT owning a business is the amount that you make versus the amount of time required to do it. A business owner making 100K is likely working 80-90 hours/per week to do it.
Why are bw always to blame when bm don't succed in life? Blame the men who weren't there for you instead villainizing the one person who cared for you. BP Always want to blame someone.
The question could also be asked, why to black women want to take credit for every successful black man but distance themselves from the unsuccessful ones (or directly or indirectly blame the father) ?
@fistoffries That is a very well thought out statement. I believe that some of it is because we want to grab the little credit that we can. But overall, people in general do that. When there is screw up in the bunch, do you notice how NO ONE takes the credit for it? We always assume that when it comes to BM if they are educated etc, it's because of their mother. But if they are a hoodlum, we assume the father wasn't around or was a failure. It's a sad assumption.
@fistoffries Good point. Keep in mind though, that kids from good backgrounds can turn out bad. Sad but true. I know a drug dealer who blames his mother for his chosen 'profession'. She is a hard working woman.Sad she is blamed for his decision.
I know this is not the point of this video, but why is it such a big deal that the guys woman makes more money than him? It shouldn't matter. If he were a lazy bum sitting on the couch, than it would be different.
If you noticed colleges don't teach you to be a business owner they teach you to be followers in other words to be an employee instead which means to follow orders period. And in todays world the economy doesn't make it easy to own a business anyway hell it is hard to find a job let alone run a business. And segregation does still exist in this country it is just done in a different manner so it is hard to see.
To sum this up, I agree you need a reason to network. Individuality has its place and can be looked at as freedom. Me personally i advocate nepotism, I can only deal with people that i love or know personally in terms of my livelihood. Now some may see this as being narrow-minded, But the point is it works for me. People should do what works for them!
I dont think matriarchal men is the reason. Running a business is no joke especially in this economy. I also notice that many of the children of these foreign buisness owners have gone to school and become professionals its safer to have a backup. A community of productive workers professional or not is still strong. Many people use the credit and cash from their job to finance a business.
The Black masons. and distinguish Civil Rights,a nd the earliest Corporate So-called blacks promoted individuality, and not being a strangers in a strange nation.
Some of the "Black Firsts" talk a lot of trash, and you can't tell them nothing because their success blinding them. Affirmative Action in the 60s-80s go them I the door based on their being less black applicants for this quota system in White Corporate America.
They still hate themselves, so a struggling black community justifies their self hate. The black first are your.. Talk show hosts, Comedians, etc... Big mouths about what blacks who came after them should be doing, but the rarely are shown spending money with so-called "black businesses"... (not "black folk" asking for a hand-out).
So, if I do not ask for hand-out, and begin a business, my people won't buy from me (Still)? I'm clean-cut, on-time, and skilled, and they still won't?
I used to produce on the side as a business... Some of our folk want "The Moon for a $1" from our own. Some that I've dealt with feel that they can call you at all times, and keep interjecting their own ideas about a field or skill that I was trained and educated for...Then, it's a cover for not paying on time. They playing Lottery, swisher blunts, and liquor everyday, but not treating your brother fairly..Self hate.
So-called black (Ysrael) folk network..What is Twitter? Youtube.
Our people network...About what, I don't know. I guess to listen to themselves talk, and spout rhetoric.
Brothers want to be the chiefs so they can impress, and get all the -----es.. It will take so time but this trait will show.. It always does.. Who gets the credit amongst the selfish. Can we tell the truth to each other about income? Can we trust each other?
0:54 "one thing you're definitely gonna need in order to have a network is business ownership"
what's your definition of networking?
business ownership is a good thing but networks can and do exist without them. professional organizations, scholarship funds, workshops, seminars etc are all examples of networking that does not require business ownership.
you and swp have an almost outsider-looking-in view of the black community. you speak of it as some sort of external entity to be observed and analyzed from a distance rather than an actual environment of which you are a part.
This vid is part of an on-going convo on gen-x. They were talking about building a black network which would include being able to give other black people jobs (when they get out of school). For that, business ownership is necessary.
@UHeardMe1stTime [1] you didnt answer my question. what is YOUR definition of networking?
this vid and the ongoing conversation of which it is a part focuses almost exclusively on business ownership [which is important] and virtually ignores the many other things that fall under the umbrella of "networking"
how is setting up a scholarhsip fund that results in bachelor's degrees for dozens of black kids less an act of networking than owning a business that hires 20 black college grads?
@TheBigBadWoIf [2] the phrase "black men dont network" was thrown out and accepted without much fact checking. the national society of black engineers will be hosting its annual conference in a few weeks in st louis. trust me when i say there will be networking out the wazoo there. and i'm assuming that the national associations of black [insert profession here] holds similar conferences annually in which networking takes place.
what are you and swp basing the statement "bm dont network" on?
@TheBigBadWoIf [3] most professions have a national society of black folks in that profession and more often than not they have college chapters that recruit undergrads majoring in those fields. some even have pre-college chapters that recruit middle and high school kids. mentorship programs, national black business council, united negro college fund etc, etc, etc.
there are black networks all over the damn place. where do you & swp get the idea that "bm dont network"? that's absurd!
@TheBigBadWoIf [4] coincidentally these programs, organizations and networks involve black men AND black women. so making babies and building networks are not mutually exclusive.
I know there are career moms out there but I'm not going to have any job or build any network at the expense of my children. Men are natural leaders & are perfectly capable of building & networking without my help. I'll have dinner ready when he gets home.
@TheAntoine2012 But as far as black students that went to schools located primarily in the ghettos (the school I went to), these blacks students had to catch the eye of their counselor, the eye of a recruiter, or have family member or friend that had inside connection to certain opportunities. Even to be apart of these black frats that yahokhanan is talking about, they only choose the best out the bunch.
@TheAntoine2012 [1] im not talking about frats and masons, i'm talking racially exclusive professional organizations. when i was an undergrad one day i was standing by the bus stop at the engineering college. a kid came up to me and said "hey, how would you like to join nsbe? we're having a general body meeting this thursday at 7:30" he gave me his card, i showed up and the rest is history.
@TheBigBadWoIf [2] most of these orgs have websites. you can go there and register online provided you meet whatever criteria they ask for. there's no secret handshake. just log on, pay a small fee and sign up. it's no harder than opening an account at netflix, amazon or ebay.
@TheBigBadWoIf "most of these orgs have websites. you can go there and register online provided you meet whatever criteria they ask for."
you'd be surprised at how many people don't know about those websites. It's weird, if no one tells them of those websites, they never know, or if they never ask, no one tells them. If you know what I mean.
@TheAntoine2012 come on. people can do google searches for "pepsi superbowl ad" but they cant do a google search for their own professional and personal development? sometimes genuine obstacles exist and sometimes people exagerrate existing obstacles or create phantom obstacles in order to maintain the status quo.
there are solutions to these problems and oftentimes they're right up under peoples' noses. the resources are there but the personal initiative is lacking.
@TheBigBadWoIf I wasn't only talking about frats and masons, I was talking about how opportunites and information is only allocated to certain groups of individuals. I just used the frats and masons are a part of my example, but I get your point.
"a kid came up to me and said "hey, how would you like to join nsbe? we're having a general body meeting this thursday at 7:30" he gave me his card" - Wow, you remembered that like it was yesterday. Unfortunately, not many people are informed anymore
Not only that.. They believe that "The Talented 10th" of W.E.B. Dubois will rule us.. See, these people are talented, intelligent, world hard, etc, but they are still worshiping false gods and participating in "unspeakable initiation-rites" to pass through this secret order for these.."secret connections" . All this to make their dreams come true. Wickedness in high places. They seem "uppity", but they know it takes a bit more here in New Babylon.
@Yahokhanan If we are talented, smart, and work hard, why do we need a "secret brotherhood" like a Fraternity? Why can't you be my brother regardless? lol. Why must I hoard opportunities from my brothers? Do I want for my brother the same without making him jump through hoops? I know that everyone does not agree, but I got to give my soul away like The Gentiles, and waste time on that garbage to "make it" (While possibly being locked-out of YHWH's Kingdom forever here on Earth? Nah..Fuhgetit
@Yahokhanan You see how self hatred affect things. kaptansolo and swp talk about building a black network to give jobs to black college graduates. But I didn't hear anything about helping to create jobs for ALL blacks, lol. In order to have a SOLID network, you have to also put contingencies in place so others can gain income, get educated and so forth. But they refuse to see that.
@Yahokhanan "If we are talented, smart, and work hard, why do we need a "secret brotherhood" like a Fraternity? Why can't you be my brother regardless? lol. Why must I hoard opportunities from my brothers? Do I want for my brother the same without making him jump through hoops?"
Great point. You well know the history behind why this is. And to add tot hat history, many of these talented blacks hold self hatred due to past experiences with other blacks, so of course they will "hoard" resoureces
@Yahokhanan Not all of them that's involved in it are evil or really believe in what W.E.B Dubois taught. Some actually got initiated with good intentions and didn't know the severity of what they were getting into.
The problems with engineers, doctors, and other professionals is that these jobs can't be inherited by children. Also unless these docs & engineers own their own practice/ business, they can't really hire anyone or they can't do it as easily.
@UHeardMe1stTime there are other things that can be handed down aside from brick & mortar structure with the family name on the door. if swp becomes a dr, pays off his loans & has kids he'll be able to fund that kid's education & put swp jr on a firmer foundation b/c he'll enter the workforce debt free. joe kennedy was a mobster. his sons were presidents and senators. he didnt hand down a "kennedy family store", but he did set the foundation that impacted future generations of kennedys.
By network, I think they are referring to a situation like what many foreigners have- where a member of that group does not have to start from scratch but can build on a foundation already laid by those who cam before them. it's hard to do that with professions like engineer & doc because that requires degrees & licenses. Most blacks (or people in general for that matter) are not able to achieve that high so those networks help only a small group.
Perhaps saying BM don't network was the wrong words to use, but what we're discussing is getting to a place where black people can depend on other black people like some other groups can for jobs, mentoring, training, starting up business, lending money, etc. Yes there are small pocket of black who work together, but we want to expand that to a true black network.
@TheBigBadWoIf But as far as black students that went to schools located primarily in the ghettos (the school I went to), these blacks students had to catch the eye of their counselor, the eye of a recruiter, or have family member or friend that had inside connection to certain opportunities. Even to be apart of these black frats that yahokhanan is talking about, they only choose the best out the bunch.
" [1] you didnt answer my question. what is YOUR definition of networking?"
I didn't say business ownership was the ONLY thing necessary in order to network. But if we're talking about building a black network, business ownership is necessary, not only yo be able to offer jobs to blacks but also to be able to swap services & resources with other black businesses.
"how is setting up a scholarhsip fund that results in bachelor's degrees for dozens of black kids less an act of networking than owning a business that hires 20 black college grads?"
That also is networking. I never said the only way to network was business ownership. But I do feel biz ownership is a necessary part.
I did not start this convo so it's not my definition. But the general idea is for black people to be able to help other black people out.
However, I 'm sorry to say it, but there's a MAJOR difference in quality of customer service between black owned businesses and other businesses. Many black people will go through the piss poor customer service of getting their soul food or being in a ghetto ass barber shop trying to get their hair cut.
@TheAntoine2012 "However, I 'm sorry to say it, but there's a MAJOR difference in quality of customer service between black owned businesses and other businesses."
That's funny, i was thinking the same thing just 5 min. ago. Customer service. Real Talk Antoine, when you see a black female working at a business, i.e the DMV, whatever. Am i the only one that say please, please don't let me get that black woman with the fuck up attitude? lol. Customer service is so important.
Still killin' them! Thanks for the service. It’s just so overwhelming to clarify and dispute the nonsense. Yeah if some pp don't like being around each other, unless it's a crisis, how the hell would this be implemented?
i wanted to own a business when i was growing up but then again i was raised by only my mother with my brother and sister. i was never really comfortable taking direct orders from someone. doing it my whole life being the youngest in the household.
In regards to networking, Nobody wants to network with people they don't trust or get along with. This goes back to blacks not being unified. I would like for UheardMeFstTime to do a video on: What are some of the drawbacks when a race of people don't have unity, Failure to network is just one disadvantage.
I think when any race see getting away from each other as a solution then that's a problem. People like that will not unify nor network . And its the same thing with black entertainers, A lot of black entertainers aren't happy unless their music leaves the black community and crosses over to other cultures. As blacks we have become comfortable with practicing separation inter racial dating, moving to white neighborhoods, religion, Socioeconomic status.
@MrCovering So, you know every single BM & BW in IR, do you? Also, why should successful Blacks live in deprived neighbourhoods? Do you see Bill Gates (a man who does a lot for humanity via finance donations) living in a trailer park, so he can prove that he's not running away from Whites? I think your fixation with skin colour is blinding you to the facts, dude. Living in a Black or White area, doesn't determine a person's actions. Its their principles that determine their actions.
@H1MLA , Thank you for your intelligent comment, But I'm not going to sit and play post tag with you. I have seen you post on a few other videos, and in my opinion you pick out certain people that you think will go back and forth with you. And you never change the person's mind you disagree with you just appreciate the fact that the person wasted their time on you suckered into a debate so to speak. I know you have seen me post a lot also because you said i had a fixation on skin color.
@H1MLA , Fixation or not, That still doesn't change the fact that blacks are not unified. We don't network with each other a lot, Those that can afford it can't wait to move out of the hood away from other blacks. And we give the majority of our money to people that don't look like us, We date and marry out a lot so don't tell me blacks haven't escaped each other. I know what i'm talking about because i moved out the hood also, But never once have i dated out , And i network with my family.
@H1MLA, Didn't i say i wasn't going to play post tag with you? You remind me of one of these white supremacists here at YouTube that don't know when to stop. And actually Kim W. married out also, I never said i hated blacks that dated inter racially, I used it as an example among other things of how blacks escape each other. And what do you mean do i still like him now, People can date who they want. Further more leave the Wayans family out of this, Don't drag them into your dirt!
@MrCovering So now, I'm a White supremacist huh? Well, I'm a Black dude, sorry to break your illusions mate. The problem with folks like you is, you hate seeing your invalid arguements challenged and debunked. And when that happened, you throw your toys out your pram and go into revisionism mode. Anyways, I don't want to fight w/ you. I just get tire of ignorant folks like you spouting your drivel and not helping the situation at all.
@MrCovering Yes, BP are not United. Yes, some BP do not often keep in touch w/ their family. But this idea that it all down to IR or moving out is totally invalid. Like I said, it all down to the individual as a person. So what, if you move out to a new neighbourhood? So what if you do not date IR? I'm I suppose to give you a medal? Its your personal choice. Not all BP don't care about their family. Your views only seek to create more divisions.
@MrCovering Yes, I agree. Many BP often spend their cash with folks who do NOT like them. I personally for decades now, have NOT spend my cash with certain folks who I know, have an ingraine hatred for BP. Yes, BP aren't united. But you berating BP who move out of neighbourhoods not good enough to raise kids in or acting like a dictator, telling BP who they can/can't date, ain't going to make them warm to you now, is it? Truth is, rational BP can't stand fellow BP filled with hate; FACT.
A Lot of what UHM1T spoke of point to our lack of consciousness in regards to how we spend our almighty dollar...it us no longer about race...this is an investment issue. I feel the need to put myself out there & create a vid that will go into more depth on the subject, but I love my ppl & it's time to Wake The Hell Up and create/spend wisely.
I agree with you about the foreign migrants coming her to open their own business. At the college I go to, there are many foreign students mostly from asian countries and from hat the staff of the school said to me was that most of them major in business. Every Time I walk into the career services at the school the kids from china or Korea are asking for more information the business majors and what universities here have good business schools.
Ok. The biggest issue is that AAs don't have business savvy not any comprehension of solidarity. Was talking w an elder & they said that the state of AAs now is similar to that of how we were prior to the Black Power Movement. I would LOVE to be on the front lines of this if/when it were to reconvene.
And like you said, other goups, especially foreigners, network out of need. Not some inherent business savvy or group intelligence. If they were able to seemlessly integrate into society, their need to band together would not be as strong outside of cultural reasons. Which would put them in the same category as blacks who come together for cultural reasons but not financial reasons. Because many blacks don't feel the need to network in that way since we are "integrated."
Excellent vid. And you're right that most Americans, blacks included, would not want a business that is not deemed "white collar" or "successful." Most would not want to own a trash pickup or janitoria business because it doesn't look successful. But the point of business is to service a need and make money doing it. Too many blacks, especially middle class and up, are too caught up with appearances to start a business that is does not fit their middle class veneer.
#3 Getting into black business will always return you all to your true culture, hair, lifestyle, andidentity. Most so-called blacks will run from this...based on the self-hate, Post-slavery, Willie Lynch self-bias that was beaten into them by their self-hating parents.. Successful or not! They won't believe, or trust their own to do anything for them! Doctors, Lawyers, Cooks, etc.. Some talk "Politically correct" in front of company, but they do not live it! Put your money where your mouth is!
Most of these established corporate franchises sell poison! They sell garbage food, hair care products, medicines, etc.. and Most Euro-American Gentiles (so called- "White folk") will not spend with you..but it will be a good wake-up call for those who say "no excuses"..lol.
If brothers and sisters won't patronize our businesses, and whites don't, and Asians do not, what are you going to do?
@Yahokhanan "Stop talking, and start spending with your own!
When was the last time you visited harlem? They have three soul food restaurants own by Asians. WTF? We are the biggest sellouts. Imagine if you vector313 and myself open u[ a chinese restaurant in a all Asian Neighborhood, what would happen to us? I'll tell you, we will go out of business in a fucking month. Asians will not support our business. And you know what? I don't blame them. Only blacks sellout like this.
@TheCruzan26 I forgot to mention those soul food joints, lol. There are a lot of black owned businesses that I know are doing well around my way: Soul food restaurants, barber shops, mechanic shops, rims and customization shops, and a couple of knockout clothing stores. However, the funny thing is that most times these owners would damn near tear one another heads off competing against one another, lmao! I didn't witness this among the arabs, asians, or even mexicans.
@TheCruzan26 The funny part is that an arab or mexican will tell you if you can't get it at his store, he'd direct to his "cousin" store or a store owned by his friend which will be another arab or mexican. However when an arab open up a clothing or a mechanic shop in the area, they end up taking majority of the business from the blacks, lol.
@TheCruzan26 Another thing too is that we have the odds against us in business ownership. You know a black man that owned a liquor/party store couldn't get a LOTTERY machine put inside his store because the state wouldn't allow and approve it. BUT they give out lottery machines along with grant and loan like water to these arabs.
@TheCruzan26 The soul food stores in the hood taste soo good that you have blacks that wouldn't come near the ghetto pre-order their food, come get it, and BE OUT!!!
@TheAntoine2012 "The soul food stores in the hood taste soo good that you have blacks that wouldn't come near the ghetto pre-order their food, come get it, and BE OUT!!!"
LOL. Harlem change. Just saturday I was walking around harlem and I saw many white women with these little ugly ass dogs. WTF? Whites are taking over Harlem, rent is going up. I went to the movies and there were more white people than blacks in the movie theartre. Granted the movie was True Grit but this is unheard of.
I don't reside in Harlem, but what you said is also happening here in ATL. The best "sold food" restaurants are Asian. Still, "soul/slave food" is killing us..softly.. We're living..but in-pain, and our downside is awful on the inside because of it. Vegan Raw as much as possible.
Our people will not support so-called black businesses (and will use any excuse--like bad service form another business and stereotype all of them). Some won't go because they cannot return stuff, or get money form lawsuits if the product or service is bad, or make them sick.
Some of Our so-called black businesses, will not treat our own with good service...Not most of them. They cannot treat them like a relative. So the stereotype is true in most cases..
#2 Whites have more money and leisure income, and they will say that they are not racists, and have black friends, and blacks married to a cousin.., but they won't spend money with y'all.
Harlem Renaissance and Black Wall Street were during desegregation when Euro-Americans did not control black culture. No MTV. They had to go into "The Hood" to extract what they wanted. Henry Ford had to go to Tuskegee several times to entice Dr. Carver. Now. Everything we originate is under desegregation.
so true...the chinese come over here and set up shop...nail salons..beauty supply stores on every corner especially in the black community...they dont know any english....either....all they say is "YOU WANT YOU WANT...I GOT CHEAP FOR YOU" LOL ....see black folks are to busy killing each other and stabbing each other in the back.....they dont have time to network......that is too much like right......
My good friend is asian...and owns a salon in the hood...live 2 hrs away...from salon... smh!
I never said you HAD to network to do anything. The point is it's easier when you have other people to slip start up costs with & it's cheaper when they charge you lower interest than the banks. I know not all foreigners do it this way but I was talking about the ones who do.
What point are you trying to make? I know they have to pay dues to the franchise. MY point is instead of having to come up with all the money on your own or take out a bank loan, foreigners invest in each other to open business. Instead of getting a bank loan, they loan each other money at lower interest rates. That's networking. That's what I'm talking about.
"But no you don't have to network to get a franchis. "
I did not say you HAD to network to get a franchise. If you have the money on your own, you don't need anybody. But a lot of foreigners would rather invest with their own people and share profits with them rather than the corporation.
Owning a franchise is not networking, but foreigners network to buy franchises. Franchises are not cheap. Foreigners will invest to help their people buy franchises. Instead of 1 person having to come up with 250k, several people invest so that each person only has to come up with 20k or maybe 50k. That's the networking part of it.
@TheCruzan26 - Black wall street was burned down in a racist fit. Although not directly, most black business get sabotaged when they grow TOO strong. Take a look at BET and Oprah. Eventually white folks with either twist it to their benefit or bring it down, whether literally, or just turn it into nigga shit, like BET.
@vector313 " Black wall street was burned down in a racist fit."
Yeah, I know the history of Black wall street aka little africa aka the black holocaust, burn down in june of 1921. What makes me proud is these people did this in 1921 during segregation. We can do this again if we only had unity amongst us. Money talks in this country, and the black consumer in this country have some power. We like to buy a lot of shit. Imagine if we spend the majority of our money in our businesses.
Koreans are doing hair and nails basically because our people hate themselves,and won't pay our businesses on-time... Making excuses of why we won't pay, and if we can, we find the Euro-gentile and The Asian gentile, of Corporate Establishment better... They are poisoning you slowly, and taking most of the jobs overseas!
On the other hand, so-called black businesses must to treat their own with the same respect, speed, and effort as the other nations of people.
When the dollar crashes, folks gonna want to network to eat, and it's gonna be too late.
The true "Mommas boys" are claiming that "it's too many Matriarchal men" out here...
They are talking about themselves..really. Heard all that before..lol When it was time to help brothers, they were "in with their own families", and gone. Stop looking for leaders, just make a plan, and follow YHWH's Torah. Money ain't gone help if your rotten!
If they are who they claim to be, they can lead by example! Show! If they are truly over-comers, over come that mindset. Watch. The talker won't know what to do, but they've been doing.. Puffing themselves up. They got a little business our job, but they really do not want their brothers standing beside them, and doing well.. They want to "Stand-out".
So-called "Black folk" spend money with he same folk who hate them, and destroyed their neighborhoods with drugs (USA does nothing to the the Columbia Cartels like say.. Iraq..Nothing! The music industry went straight to fake black gangsta rappers to promote negative outlooks..on purpose!
Still you all continue... Network is a joke with no money. You won't have time to network. Some of y'all really hate sitting amongst your own for more that an hour.
Interesting subject. The problem with most Americans is they don't start thinking about self employment until they are unemployed and would have a hard time getting a loan. Also, black folks only want to build their own when they have "no choice". That's a recipe for failure.
The truth is, many Americans are too lazy to work for themselves. Few want to work 15 hrs a day, pay their own medical ins., or take the risk of loss. It's easier working for the man.
@UHeardMe1stTime, I feel sorry for the black youth coming behind us, they will have their work cut out for them. Once they reach that age when its time to get a job, apartment, it is going to be hard for them. Its hard for other nationalities also but imagine being black out their looking for an apartment when most buildings on average hate renting to blacks. I'm glad i was born in the 70's after the civil rights era, and i wouldn't want to be born right now in this crumbling economy either.
@UHeardMe1st I disagree. We do have a reason. The problem is a lot of blks don't realize it. Blk ppl in this country are so venerable to racial discrimination bc the ppl who own all the major institutions in this country are non-Blk. You can check any study on discrimination. White ppl even discriminate against down to skin color or how "blk African" we look in court sentences and hiring! Our socioeconomic status is the source of all of our communities social ills.
Imagine if Hollywood was run by Asians, what would are media look like. 2 recent studies in NC found that sum1 who kills a White person is 3 x's more likely to receive the death sentence than sum1 who kills a minority. Would this be the case if all of the judges/police were blk? If every1 working in banks were Blk would their be redlining/reverse redlining? We have a reason to come together and gain work considering none of us can escape racism when it knocks on our door.
@UHeardMe1stTime You Said> Being of the same race is not a strong enough reason.<
You can say that again. Imagine trying to reason with those NOI/Black Hebrews nutjobs. You have more chance of putting your head through a thread needle. Also, Blacks are often their worst enemy, as jealousy is often the number one disease that drives Blacks to bring down fellow Blacks. One successful BP would rather die than pass on the secret of sucess to another sister or brother.
You forgot about "The Jeffersons" and on "Martin" the character Stan own WZUP on that shoe....The Wayan's Brothers show, Shwan owned a news stand, and pops owned a restaurant...Any more tv trivia, holla at ya boy...Peace!
Seriously should black women not raise their kids if the father doesn't want to be in their life and do the right thing. Should black women start abandoning their children or better yet, should they all start aborting every single one of them?
& If all 70% of kids born out of wedlock to black women, are the same black women that got pregnant by deadbeats then that's alot of deadbeat black men running aroung isn't it?
@ifeani Let's get this straight now. Contrary to what these guys like to push on the net, it's half and half. These women aren't getting impregnated and left by mainly deadbeats, but also high echelon black men too.
@TheAntoine2012 Exactly. There are alot of high echelon bm that aren't marriage minded that have kids out of wedlock. Example Dwight Howard & his baby mama.
@ifeani We aren't talking about professional dudes. We are talking about mature men. Again as I said downthread, this is a M.A.D argument. Both sexes need to do better when it comes to who we date/have sex with. Everyone should ask themselves. "does this person have qualities that seem father/motherhood material?
@TheAntoine2012 & I know he's a celebrity but let's not act like all black single mothers have deadbeat baby daddies. Because best believe the father of the child is around and she has his arse in courts trying to up the child support payments and make him be a father.
Which upper echelon men are you talking about? Rapper, football, basketball players? Most of these guys come from the matriarch. Thus no pride in taking care of theirs which would be instilled in a patriarch system.
A person don't even have to start a business, if they're in the health care field, engineering, I.T, etc, then they could become their own private contractor.
So the black community is a matriarchy because bw are raising the kids; but what are they supposed to do? not raise the kids? Isn't that what mothers are supposed to do? The courts force the fathers to pay child support, but they definitely can't force a man to want to be a real father to his children. & I keep hearing 70% of kids are born to single mothers. Does that taking into account the couples that are shacking up? or don't believe in marriage altogether?
Another article says: "...most new black-owned firms are "nonemployer firms," which means they consist of only one person. Roughly nine in 10 black-owned firms fit this description, both in New Jersey and the rest of the nation."
"Between 2002 and 2007, the number of black-owned businesses increased on a rapidly upward track (60 percent), more than triple the national rate (18 percent) to 1.9 million businesses. The data show that, in terms of sheer number, black-owned businesses are one of the fastest growing segments of our economy."
According to "The Official Blog of the U.S. Census Bureau"
I never really trust Government records fully because when you understand many times how they are taken, you will start to see their erroneous nature. The questions I want to know is who owns the business, by this I mean the age range, the gender, socio-financial history of the groups and in what states this happens? I know Atlanta and New Jersey are big. Do they have sponsors? Do they have Partners? Most importantly what kind of businesses are being owned or bought?
Now, I will in time check these questions out myself. I'm just really busy at the moment so that will take some free time, lol. How I ask and say this just for the thought process of it. Government unemployment, even inflation rates and projects are all cooked. they say 10% its 21%, and 21% means white America and that means 41% in black society. back to businesses, are these businesses even bought to be held or are they free and clear? this determines who owns the business
Great post, it is thought prokoving. I will check out the questions naturally myself, if you feel you have any answers you want to share or views and opinions on it. The information you have provided is very interesting and I'm really thankful that you put out. Have a good day or night.
@kinglloyd414 I do not. But it does say that 4 out of 10 black owned businesses operated in health care, social assistance,repair. maintenance, and personal/laundry services. If that's any help.
Another article says that roughly 9 out of 10 black owned businesses consist of one person. (this is information taken from the 2002-2007 census)
I'm very business-minded in selling Artwork on DVD and T-Shirts. I'm about to go get my MBA in Networking ironically! What do u think about getting a MBA?
"Like I said there is no data on this. Even with data, experts disagree about what conclusions can be drawn from the data. That's where debate comes in. "
Agreed. That is where debate comes in. But A) There is data for this. The census tells us where people work, how much they make, and their race. And B) I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be a specific trend in one direction or another. Again, you have a right to your opinion. I'd just like you to back it up with facts.
@doc4725 I took a look at some of the data that the census has to offer, and admittedly there was a sharp increase in black owned businesses (between 2002 and 2007). However, the majority of these businesses consisted of one person. Unfortunately, (or at least as far as I know) another census hasn't been conducted yet so it is unknown whether or not black owned business has taken a fall since 2007.
@JamesJ30t And I'm sorry to expose black men of caliber, but black men of your caliber are MAINLY responsible for being the upper heads of these gangs and getting these gangs connections to drugs, guns, etc. They're college educated and business minded like yourself.
@JamesJ30t Men coming from a patriarch (college educated or not) are just as much responsible for the bullshit that go on in the black community as men coming from a matriarch. The college educated black man is heading gangs from his suburban home.
@JamesJ30t No, I'm DEAD SERIOUS! Not all, but majority of these upper level gang members have college in their background. They run some of these gangs like an actual military.
you don't have to take my word for, go ask any blood, crip, vice lord, P Stone; Any of these california or chicago based gangs, and they'd tell you.
Have you considered the possibility that your childhood (the lack of any black males around until you were nearly 18, that your father is married to a white woman and you are the product of an extramarital affair, etc.) has affected your views on race and relationships? Listening to your videos, it seems readily apparent to me that that is the case. How much interaction with other black kids your own age did you have growing up?
Not sure what this has to do with this video but of course past experiences & the way were we raised affect the way we see things including race & relationships. I am no different from anyone else in that regard.
I think your videos have an undercurrent of assessing the black condition from the vantage point of someone just discovering the community, an outsider looking in, so to speak. Particularly in this video, where your observations are primarily superficial and do not have a lot of statistical or substantive data. You're just using conjecture to prove your point. Were you to say that "black men don't own business because of data point x, your argument would have more weight."
own your life..nuff said
thevoid385 9 months ago
The typical "9-to-5" mentality in this country is quickly wearing thin anyway. A lot more of us in the African American community are working on becoming entrepreneurs. We are just trained to finish high school, then get a college degree. Then, still, from then on, we are told that the only real way to have an income of ANY kind is to just become paid "slaves".
thesiouxgoddess 9 months ago
Did you know the American government gives special businesses loans and incentives to foreigners？
PeacefulVibes 10 months ago
I agree with a lot of what you said, but there's an underlying premise that "owning a business" is the pinnacle or success, or at least more successfull than working for someone. I used to feel this way myself until I investigated starting a business.
Some of the benefits of NOT owning a business is the amount that you make versus the amount of time required to do it. A business owner making 100K is likely working 80-90 hours/per week to do it.
Owning a business is not for everyone.
fistoffries 1 year ago
Why are bw always to blame when bm don't succed in life? Blame the men who weren't there for you instead villainizing the one person who cared for you. BP Always want to blame someone.
ThePhoenixVixen 1 year ago 2
@ThePhoenixVixen That's a good and fair point.
The question could also be asked, why to black women want to take credit for every successful black man but distance themselves from the unsuccessful ones (or directly or indirectly blame the father) ?
fistoffries 1 year ago
@fistoffries That is a very well thought out statement. I believe that some of it is because we want to grab the little credit that we can. But overall, people in general do that. When there is screw up in the bunch, do you notice how NO ONE takes the credit for it? We always assume that when it comes to BM if they are educated etc, it's because of their mother. But if they are a hoodlum, we assume the father wasn't around or was a failure. It's a sad assumption.
ThePhoenixVixen 1 year ago
@fistoffries Good point. Keep in mind though, that kids from good backgrounds can turn out bad. Sad but true. I know a drug dealer who blames his mother for his chosen 'profession'. She is a hard working woman.Sad she is blamed for his decision.
kmcl11 10 months ago
I know this is not the point of this video, but why is it such a big deal that the guys woman makes more money than him? It shouldn't matter. If he were a lazy bum sitting on the couch, than it would be different.
ThePhoenixVixen 1 year ago
If you noticed colleges don't teach you to be a business owner they teach you to be followers in other words to be an employee instead which means to follow orders period. And in todays world the economy doesn't make it easy to own a business anyway hell it is hard to find a job let alone run a business. And segregation does still exist in this country it is just done in a different manner so it is hard to see.
SuperZeitGeist1 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime
"sum-up"
To sum this up, I agree you need a reason to network. Individuality has its place and can be looked at as freedom. Me personally i advocate nepotism, I can only deal with people that i love or know personally in terms of my livelihood. Now some may see this as being narrow-minded, But the point is it works for me. People should do what works for them!
MrCovering 1 year ago
I still laugh out loud when I find American minorities work for foreigners that barely speak English.
If learning that your boss makes more than you while s/he cannot use math does not upset you you deserve the role.
Efferts 1 year ago
I dont think matriarchal men is the reason. Running a business is no joke especially in this economy. I also notice that many of the children of these foreign buisness owners have gone to school and become professionals its safer to have a backup. A community of productive workers professional or not is still strong. Many people use the credit and cash from their job to finance a business.
mindcontrol31 1 year ago
The Black masons. and distinguish Civil Rights,a nd the earliest Corporate So-called blacks promoted individuality, and not being a strangers in a strange nation.
Some of the "Black Firsts" talk a lot of trash, and you can't tell them nothing because their success blinding them. Affirmative Action in the 60s-80s go them I the door based on their being less black applicants for this quota system in White Corporate America.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan
They still hate themselves, so a struggling black community justifies their self hate. The black first are your.. Talk show hosts, Comedians, etc... Big mouths about what blacks who came after them should be doing, but the rarely are shown spending money with so-called "black businesses"... (not "black folk" asking for a hand-out).
So, if I do not ask for hand-out, and begin a business, my people won't buy from me (Still)? I'm clean-cut, on-time, and skilled, and they still won't?
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
Also...Some brothers if you not a Mason, a Frat, will hoard opportunities for family, or women that they hope will sleep with them.
They can't handle power with justice according to Torah - in regards to the brothers.
I've seen it, and YHWH will avenge it against them.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
I used to produce on the side as a business... Some of our folk want "The Moon for a $1" from our own. Some that I've dealt with feel that they can call you at all times, and keep interjecting their own ideas about a field or skill that I was trained and educated for...Then, it's a cover for not paying on time. They playing Lottery, swisher blunts, and liquor everyday, but not treating your brother fairly..Self hate.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan
It's going to take intervention form YHWH, and necessity to correct this like Katrina.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
So-called black (Ysrael) folk network..What is Twitter? Youtube.
Our people network...About what, I don't know. I guess to listen to themselves talk, and spout rhetoric.
Brothers want to be the chiefs so they can impress, and get all the -----es.. It will take so time but this trait will show.. It always does.. Who gets the credit amongst the selfish. Can we tell the truth to each other about income? Can we trust each other?
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
0:54 "one thing you're definitely gonna need in order to have a network is business ownership"
what's your definition of networking?
business ownership is a good thing but networks can and do exist without them. professional organizations, scholarship funds, workshops, seminars etc are all examples of networking that does not require business ownership.
to be continued...
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf continued....
you and swp have an almost outsider-looking-in view of the black community. you speak of it as some sort of external entity to be observed and analyzed from a distance rather than an actual environment of which you are a part.
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
The network is not something for me to build. I'm a female. I make babies.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
This vid is part of an on-going convo on gen-x. They were talking about building a black network which would include being able to give other black people jobs (when they get out of school). For that, business ownership is necessary.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
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TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
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TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime [1] you didnt answer my question. what is YOUR definition of networking?
this vid and the ongoing conversation of which it is a part focuses almost exclusively on business ownership [which is important] and virtually ignores the many other things that fall under the umbrella of "networking"
how is setting up a scholarhsip fund that results in bachelor's degrees for dozens of black kids less an act of networking than owning a business that hires 20 black college grads?
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf [2] the phrase "black men dont network" was thrown out and accepted without much fact checking. the national society of black engineers will be hosting its annual conference in a few weeks in st louis. trust me when i say there will be networking out the wazoo there. and i'm assuming that the national associations of black [insert profession here] holds similar conferences annually in which networking takes place.
what are you and swp basing the statement "bm dont network" on?
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf [3] most professions have a national society of black folks in that profession and more often than not they have college chapters that recruit undergrads majoring in those fields. some even have pre-college chapters that recruit middle and high school kids. mentorship programs, national black business council, united negro college fund etc, etc, etc.
there are black networks all over the damn place. where do you & swp get the idea that "bm dont network"? that's absurd!
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf [4] coincidentally these programs, organizations and networks involve black men AND black women. so making babies and building networks are not mutually exclusive.
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
I know there are career moms out there but I'm not going to have any job or build any network at the expense of my children. Men are natural leaders & are perfectly capable of building & networking without my help. I'll have dinner ready when he gets home.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
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TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
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TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 But as far as black students that went to schools located primarily in the ghettos (the school I went to), these blacks students had to catch the eye of their counselor, the eye of a recruiter, or have family member or friend that had inside connection to certain opportunities. Even to be apart of these black frats that yahokhanan is talking about, they only choose the best out the bunch.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 [1] im not talking about frats and masons, i'm talking racially exclusive professional organizations. when i was an undergrad one day i was standing by the bus stop at the engineering college. a kid came up to me and said "hey, how would you like to join nsbe? we're having a general body meeting this thursday at 7:30" he gave me his card, i showed up and the rest is history.
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf [2] most of these orgs have websites. you can go there and register online provided you meet whatever criteria they ask for. there's no secret handshake. just log on, pay a small fee and sign up. it's no harder than opening an account at netflix, amazon or ebay.
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf "most of these orgs have websites. you can go there and register online provided you meet whatever criteria they ask for."
you'd be surprised at how many people don't know about those websites. It's weird, if no one tells them of those websites, they never know, or if they never ask, no one tells them. If you know what I mean.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 come on. people can do google searches for "pepsi superbowl ad" but they cant do a google search for their own professional and personal development? sometimes genuine obstacles exist and sometimes people exagerrate existing obstacles or create phantom obstacles in order to maintain the status quo.
there are solutions to these problems and oftentimes they're right up under peoples' noses. the resources are there but the personal initiative is lacking.
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf True!!! Very true.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
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TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf I wasn't only talking about frats and masons, I was talking about how opportunites and information is only allocated to certain groups of individuals. I just used the frats and masons are a part of my example, but I get your point.
"a kid came up to me and said "hey, how would you like to join nsbe? we're having a general body meeting this thursday at 7:30" he gave me his card" - Wow, you remembered that like it was yesterday. Unfortunately, not many people are informed anymore
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
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TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012
Not only that.. They believe that "The Talented 10th" of W.E.B. Dubois will rule us.. See, these people are talented, intelligent, world hard, etc, but they are still worshiping false gods and participating in "unspeakable initiation-rites" to pass through this secret order for these.."secret connections" . All this to make their dreams come true. Wickedness in high places. They seem "uppity", but they know it takes a bit more here in New Babylon.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan If we are talented, smart, and work hard, why do we need a "secret brotherhood" like a Fraternity? Why can't you be my brother regardless? lol. Why must I hoard opportunities from my brothers? Do I want for my brother the same without making him jump through hoops? I know that everyone does not agree, but I got to give my soul away like The Gentiles, and waste time on that garbage to "make it" (While possibly being locked-out of YHWH's Kingdom forever here on Earth? Nah..Fuhgetit
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan If success means become a selfish elitist idiot, forget it.. Too many "Strings" attached here...for So-called black folks (Ysrael).
Still it's the fault of our forefathers for dismissing YHWH's Torah, and harming Yahoshua the messiah.
Nothing will work here for the reasons that I mentioned earlier.
Our ancestors prayed for us to return home, not to be 2nd Class Kings and Queens here in New Babylon.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan You see how self hatred affect things. kaptansolo and swp talk about building a black network to give jobs to black college graduates. But I didn't hear anything about helping to create jobs for ALL blacks, lol. In order to have a SOLID network, you have to also put contingencies in place so others can gain income, get educated and so forth. But they refuse to see that.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan "If we are talented, smart, and work hard, why do we need a "secret brotherhood" like a Fraternity? Why can't you be my brother regardless? lol. Why must I hoard opportunities from my brothers? Do I want for my brother the same without making him jump through hoops?"
Great point. You well know the history behind why this is. And to add tot hat history, many of these talented blacks hold self hatred due to past experiences with other blacks, so of course they will "hoard" resoureces
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 Correction: *to that history
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan Not all of them that's involved in it are evil or really believe in what W.E.B Dubois taught. Some actually got initiated with good intentions and didn't know the severity of what they were getting into.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012
True. They just doing what they thought was right. Some of their grand-parents were into this as tradition.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
The problems with engineers, doctors, and other professionals is that these jobs can't be inherited by children. Also unless these docs & engineers own their own practice/ business, they can't really hire anyone or they can't do it as easily.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime there are other things that can be handed down aside from brick & mortar structure with the family name on the door. if swp becomes a dr, pays off his loans & has kids he'll be able to fund that kid's education & put swp jr on a firmer foundation b/c he'll enter the workforce debt free. joe kennedy was a mobster. his sons were presidents and senators. he didnt hand down a "kennedy family store", but he did set the foundation that impacted future generations of kennedys.
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
By network, I think they are referring to a situation like what many foreigners have- where a member of that group does not have to start from scratch but can build on a foundation already laid by those who cam before them. it's hard to do that with professions like engineer & doc because that requires degrees & licenses. Most blacks (or people in general for that matter) are not able to achieve that high so those networks help only a small group.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
Perhaps saying BM don't network was the wrong words to use, but what we're discussing is getting to a place where black people can depend on other black people like some other groups can for jobs, mentoring, training, starting up business, lending money, etc. Yes there are small pocket of black who work together, but we want to expand that to a true black network.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
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@TheBigBadWoIf But as far as black students that went to schools located primarily in the ghettos (the school I went to), these blacks students had to catch the eye of their counselor, the eye of a recruiter, or have family member or friend that had inside connection to certain opportunities. Even to be apart of these black frats that yahokhanan is talking about, they only choose the best out the bunch.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
" [1] you didnt answer my question. what is YOUR definition of networking?"
I didn't say business ownership was the ONLY thing necessary in order to network. But if we're talking about building a black network, business ownership is necessary, not only yo be able to offer jobs to blacks but also to be able to swap services & resources with other black businesses.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@TheBigBadWoIf
"how is setting up a scholarhsip fund that results in bachelor's degrees for dozens of black kids less an act of networking than owning a business that hires 20 black college grads?"
That also is networking. I never said the only way to network was business ownership. But I do feel biz ownership is a necessary part.
I did not start this convo so it's not my definition. But the general idea is for black people to be able to help other black people out.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
I wish I was those chips and salsa
level242 1 year ago 2
However, I 'm sorry to say it, but there's a MAJOR difference in quality of customer service between black owned businesses and other businesses. Many black people will go through the piss poor customer service of getting their soul food or being in a ghetto ass barber shop trying to get their hair cut.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 "However, I 'm sorry to say it, but there's a MAJOR difference in quality of customer service between black owned businesses and other businesses."
That's funny, i was thinking the same thing just 5 min. ago. Customer service. Real Talk Antoine, when you see a black female working at a business, i.e the DMV, whatever. Am i the only one that say please, please don't let me get that black woman with the fuck up attitude? lol. Customer service is so important.
TheCruzan26 1 year ago
@TheCruzan26 nope...you aint the only one.
TheBigBadWoIf 1 year ago
Still killin' them! Thanks for the service. It’s just so overwhelming to clarify and dispute the nonsense. Yeah if some pp don't like being around each other, unless it's a crisis, how the hell would this be implemented?
Auntkekebaby 1 year ago
i wanted to own a business when i was growing up but then again i was raised by only my mother with my brother and sister. i was never really comfortable taking direct orders from someone. doing it my whole life being the youngest in the household.
kinglloyd414 1 year ago
In regards to networking, Nobody wants to network with people they don't trust or get along with. This goes back to blacks not being unified. I would like for UheardMeFstTime to do a video on: What are some of the drawbacks when a race of people don't have unity, Failure to network is just one disadvantage.
MrCovering 1 year ago
I think when any race see getting away from each other as a solution then that's a problem. People like that will not unify nor network . And its the same thing with black entertainers, A lot of black entertainers aren't happy unless their music leaves the black community and crosses over to other cultures. As blacks we have become comfortable with practicing separation inter racial dating, moving to white neighborhoods, religion, Socioeconomic status.
MrCovering 1 year ago
A lot of blacks think being able to escape other blacks is something admirable. examples:
1 If i land a job that pays enough then i will be able to afford to live around whites and escape blacks.
2.Black men that date non-black women think that they are doing better and or happier because they have escaped black women.
MrCovering 1 year ago
@MrCovering So, you know every single BM & BW in IR, do you? Also, why should successful Blacks live in deprived neighbourhoods? Do you see Bill Gates (a man who does a lot for humanity via finance donations) living in a trailer park, so he can prove that he's not running away from Whites? I think your fixation with skin colour is blinding you to the facts, dude. Living in a Black or White area, doesn't determine a person's actions. Its their principles that determine their actions.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA , Thank you for your intelligent comment, But I'm not going to sit and play post tag with you. I have seen you post on a few other videos, and in my opinion you pick out certain people that you think will go back and forth with you. And you never change the person's mind you disagree with you just appreciate the fact that the person wasted their time on you suckered into a debate so to speak. I know you have seen me post a lot also because you said i had a fixation on skin color.
MrCovering 1 year ago
@H1MLA , Fixation or not, That still doesn't change the fact that blacks are not unified. We don't network with each other a lot, Those that can afford it can't wait to move out of the hood away from other blacks. And we give the majority of our money to people that don't look like us, We date and marry out a lot so don't tell me blacks haven't escaped each other. I know what i'm talking about because i moved out the hood also, But never once have i dated out , And i network with my family.
MrCovering 1 year ago
@MrCovering Are you one of the wayans brothers?
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 , No I'm just a Wayans Brothers fan!
MrCovering 1 year ago
@MrCovering I love the Wayan brothers. They're some of the classic comedians out here.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 , I agree, I grew up watching the Wayans, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor etc.
MrCovering 1 year ago
@MrCovering Well, you do know one of the Wayan Brothers is in IR lol. Do you still like him now?
H1MLA 1 year ago
@H1MLA, Didn't i say i wasn't going to play post tag with you? You remind me of one of these white supremacists here at YouTube that don't know when to stop. And actually Kim W. married out also, I never said i hated blacks that dated inter racially, I used it as an example among other things of how blacks escape each other. And what do you mean do i still like him now, People can date who they want. Further more leave the Wayans family out of this, Don't drag them into your dirt!
MrCovering 1 year ago
@MrCovering So now, I'm a White supremacist huh? Well, I'm a Black dude, sorry to break your illusions mate. The problem with folks like you is, you hate seeing your invalid arguements challenged and debunked. And when that happened, you throw your toys out your pram and go into revisionism mode. Anyways, I don't want to fight w/ you. I just get tire of ignorant folks like you spouting your drivel and not helping the situation at all.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@MrCovering Yes, BP are not United. Yes, some BP do not often keep in touch w/ their family. But this idea that it all down to IR or moving out is totally invalid. Like I said, it all down to the individual as a person. So what, if you move out to a new neighbourhood? So what if you do not date IR? I'm I suppose to give you a medal? Its your personal choice. Not all BP don't care about their family. Your views only seek to create more divisions.
H1MLA 1 year ago
@MrCovering Yes, I agree. Many BP often spend their cash with folks who do NOT like them. I personally for decades now, have NOT spend my cash with certain folks who I know, have an ingraine hatred for BP. Yes, BP aren't united. But you berating BP who move out of neighbourhoods not good enough to raise kids in or acting like a dictator, telling BP who they can/can't date, ain't going to make them warm to you now, is it? Truth is, rational BP can't stand fellow BP filled with hate; FACT.
H1MLA 1 year ago
A Lot of what UHM1T spoke of point to our lack of consciousness in regards to how we spend our almighty dollar...it us no longer about race...this is an investment issue. I feel the need to put myself out there & create a vid that will go into more depth on the subject, but I love my ppl & it's time to Wake The Hell Up and create/spend wisely.
BlackButterfly707 1 year ago
I agree with you about the foreign migrants coming her to open their own business. At the college I go to, there are many foreign students mostly from asian countries and from hat the staff of the school said to me was that most of them major in business. Every Time I walk into the career services at the school the kids from china or Korea are asking for more information the business majors and what universities here have good business schools.
araya1 1 year ago
Ok. The biggest issue is that AAs don't have business savvy not any comprehension of solidarity. Was talking w an elder & they said that the state of AAs now is similar to that of how we were prior to the Black Power Movement. I would LOVE to be on the front lines of this if/when it were to reconvene.
BlackButterfly707 1 year ago
Good Video
MissConcreteRose 1 year ago
And like you said, other goups, especially foreigners, network out of need. Not some inherent business savvy or group intelligence. If they were able to seemlessly integrate into society, their need to band together would not be as strong outside of cultural reasons. Which would put them in the same category as blacks who come together for cultural reasons but not financial reasons. Because many blacks don't feel the need to network in that way since we are "integrated."
mcdivit85 1 year ago
Excellent vid. And you're right that most Americans, blacks included, would not want a business that is not deemed "white collar" or "successful." Most would not want to own a trash pickup or janitoria business because it doesn't look successful. But the point of business is to service a need and make money doing it. Too many blacks, especially middle class and up, are too caught up with appearances to start a business that is does not fit their middle class veneer.
mcdivit85 1 year ago
#3 Getting into black business will always return you all to your true culture, hair, lifestyle, andidentity. Most so-called blacks will run from this...based on the self-hate, Post-slavery, Willie Lynch self-bias that was beaten into them by their self-hating parents.. Successful or not! They won't believe, or trust their own to do anything for them! Doctors, Lawyers, Cooks, etc.. Some talk "Politically correct" in front of company, but they do not live it! Put your money where your mouth is!
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan
Stop talking, and start spending with your own!
Most of these established corporate franchises sell poison! They sell garbage food, hair care products, medicines, etc.. and Most Euro-American Gentiles (so called- "White folk") will not spend with you..but it will be a good wake-up call for those who say "no excuses"..lol.
If brothers and sisters won't patronize our businesses, and whites don't, and Asians do not, what are you going to do?
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan "Stop talking, and start spending with your own!
When was the last time you visited harlem? They have three soul food restaurants own by Asians. WTF? We are the biggest sellouts. Imagine if you vector313 and myself open u[ a chinese restaurant in a all Asian Neighborhood, what would happen to us? I'll tell you, we will go out of business in a fucking month. Asians will not support our business. And you know what? I don't blame them. Only blacks sellout like this.
TheCruzan26 1 year ago
@TheCruzan26 I forgot to mention those soul food joints, lol. There are a lot of black owned businesses that I know are doing well around my way: Soul food restaurants, barber shops, mechanic shops, rims and customization shops, and a couple of knockout clothing stores. However, the funny thing is that most times these owners would damn near tear one another heads off competing against one another, lmao! I didn't witness this among the arabs, asians, or even mexicans.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheCruzan26 The funny part is that an arab or mexican will tell you if you can't get it at his store, he'd direct to his "cousin" store or a store owned by his friend which will be another arab or mexican. However when an arab open up a clothing or a mechanic shop in the area, they end up taking majority of the business from the blacks, lol.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheCruzan26 Another thing too is that we have the odds against us in business ownership. You know a black man that owned a liquor/party store couldn't get a LOTTERY machine put inside his store because the state wouldn't allow and approve it. BUT they give out lottery machines along with grant and loan like water to these arabs.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheCruzan26 The soul food stores in the hood taste soo good that you have blacks that wouldn't come near the ghetto pre-order their food, come get it, and BE OUT!!!
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 "The soul food stores in the hood taste soo good that you have blacks that wouldn't come near the ghetto pre-order their food, come get it, and BE OUT!!!"
LOL. Harlem change. Just saturday I was walking around harlem and I saw many white women with these little ugly ass dogs. WTF? Whites are taking over Harlem, rent is going up. I went to the movies and there were more white people than blacks in the movie theartre. Granted the movie was True Grit but this is unheard of.
TheCruzan26 1 year ago
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Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@TheCruzan26
I don't reside in Harlem, but what you said is also happening here in ATL. The best "sold food" restaurants are Asian. Still, "soul/slave food" is killing us..softly.. We're living..but in-pain, and our downside is awful on the inside because of it. Vegan Raw as much as possible.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
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@TheCruzan26
Our people will not support so-called black businesses (and will use any excuse--like bad service form another business and stereotype all of them). Some won't go because they cannot return stuff, or get money form lawsuits if the product or service is bad, or make them sick.
Some of Our so-called black businesses, will not treat our own with good service...Not most of them. They cannot treat them like a relative. So the stereotype is true in most cases..
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
#2 Whites have more money and leisure income, and they will say that they are not racists, and have black friends, and blacks married to a cousin.., but they won't spend money with y'all.
Harlem Renaissance and Black Wall Street were during desegregation when Euro-Americans did not control black culture. No MTV. They had to go into "The Hood" to extract what they wanted. Henry Ford had to go to Tuskegee several times to entice Dr. Carver. Now. Everything we originate is under desegregation.
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
good video.......and great points......
jadeisback 1 year ago
so true...the chinese come over here and set up shop...nail salons..beauty supply stores on every corner especially in the black community...they dont know any english....either....all they say is "YOU WANT YOU WANT...I GOT CHEAP FOR YOU" LOL ....see black folks are to busy killing each other and stabbing each other in the back.....they dont have time to network......that is too much like right......
My good friend is asian...and owns a salon in the hood...live 2 hrs away...from salon... smh!
jadeisback 1 year ago
@Ebonytheartist
I never said you HAD to network to do anything. The point is it's easier when you have other people to slip start up costs with & it's cheaper when they charge you lower interest than the banks. I know not all foreigners do it this way but I was talking about the ones who do.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@Ebonytheartist
What point are you trying to make? I know they have to pay dues to the franchise. MY point is instead of having to come up with all the money on your own or take out a bank loan, foreigners invest in each other to open business. Instead of getting a bank loan, they loan each other money at lower interest rates. That's networking. That's what I'm talking about.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@Ebonytheartist
"But no you don't have to network to get a franchis. "
I did not say you HAD to network to get a franchise. If you have the money on your own, you don't need anybody. But a lot of foreigners would rather invest with their own people and share profits with them rather than the corporation.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime, this video is the truth girl!
KeepinItReal0247 1 year ago
@Ebonytheartist
Owning a franchise is not networking, but foreigners network to buy franchises. Franchises are not cheap. Foreigners will invest to help their people buy franchises. Instead of 1 person having to come up with 250k, several people invest so that each person only has to come up with 20k or maybe 50k. That's the networking part of it.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
Its definitly time for another "Black wall street"
mrgentlemen4u 1 year ago
@mrgentlemen4u True! Black wall street should be the blue print.
TheCruzan26 1 year ago
@TheCruzan26 - Black wall street was burned down in a racist fit. Although not directly, most black business get sabotaged when they grow TOO strong. Take a look at BET and Oprah. Eventually white folks with either twist it to their benefit or bring it down, whether literally, or just turn it into nigga shit, like BET.
vector313 1 year ago
@vector313 " Black wall street was burned down in a racist fit."
Yeah, I know the history of Black wall street aka little africa aka the black holocaust, burn down in june of 1921. What makes me proud is these people did this in 1921 during segregation. We can do this again if we only had unity amongst us. Money talks in this country, and the black consumer in this country have some power. We like to buy a lot of shit. Imagine if we spend the majority of our money in our businesses.
TheCruzan26 1 year ago
Koreans are doing hair and nails basically because our people hate themselves,and won't pay our businesses on-time... Making excuses of why we won't pay, and if we can, we find the Euro-gentile and The Asian gentile, of Corporate Establishment better... They are poisoning you slowly, and taking most of the jobs overseas!
On the other hand, so-called black businesses must to treat their own with the same respect, speed, and effort as the other nations of people.
Stop gossiping about customers!
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
When the dollar crashes, folks gonna want to network to eat, and it's gonna be too late.
The true "Mommas boys" are claiming that "it's too many Matriarchal men" out here...
They are talking about themselves..really. Heard all that before..lol When it was time to help brothers, they were "in with their own families", and gone. Stop looking for leaders, just make a plan, and follow YHWH's Torah. Money ain't gone help if your rotten!
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
@Yahokhanan
If they are who they claim to be, they can lead by example! Show! If they are truly over-comers, over come that mindset. Watch. The talker won't know what to do, but they've been doing.. Puffing themselves up. They got a little business our job, but they really do not want their brothers standing beside them, and doing well.. They want to "Stand-out".
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
Trying to blame non-business ownership on women is a crock of ish!! I have to make a vid response (or rather cosign) to this vid.
vector313 1 year ago
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Yahokhanan 1 year ago
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Yahokhanan 1 year ago
So-called "Black folk" spend money with he same folk who hate them, and destroyed their neighborhoods with drugs (USA does nothing to the the Columbia Cartels like say.. Iraq..Nothing! The music industry went straight to fake black gangsta rappers to promote negative outlooks..on purpose!
Still you all continue... Network is a joke with no money. You won't have time to network. Some of y'all really hate sitting amongst your own for more that an hour.
What network?
Yahokhanan 1 year ago
Uheardme, you forgot Darryl Hughley, he owns a business in the Hughleys. Just thought I'd put that out there. :-)
ezekielthemack 1 year ago
Interesting subject. The problem with most Americans is they don't start thinking about self employment until they are unemployed and would have a hard time getting a loan. Also, black folks only want to build their own when they have "no choice". That's a recipe for failure.
The truth is, many Americans are too lazy to work for themselves. Few want to work 15 hrs a day, pay their own medical ins., or take the risk of loss. It's easier working for the man.
BigBlaqueKat 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime, I feel sorry for the black youth coming behind us, they will have their work cut out for them. Once they reach that age when its time to get a job, apartment, it is going to be hard for them. Its hard for other nationalities also but imagine being black out their looking for an apartment when most buildings on average hate renting to blacks. I'm glad i was born in the 70's after the civil rights era, and i wouldn't want to be born right now in this crumbling economy either.
MrCovering 1 year ago
@MrCovering Hey off topic a bit what do you think about fantasia playing mahalia jackson???
carrielovejoy 1 year ago
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lriles2000 1 year ago
I WONDER WHY PEOPLE ON YOUTUBE WASTE TIME TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER WHEN IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!
lriles2000 1 year ago
@lriles2000
It's never gonna happen without a REASON. We have no reason to come together. Being of the same race is not a strong enough reason.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago 10
@UHeardMe1st I disagree. We do have a reason. The problem is a lot of blks don't realize it. Blk ppl in this country are so venerable to racial discrimination bc the ppl who own all the major institutions in this country are non-Blk. You can check any study on discrimination. White ppl even discriminate against down to skin color or how "blk African" we look in court sentences and hiring! Our socioeconomic status is the source of all of our communities social ills.
GGLebo23 1 year ago
Imagine if Hollywood was run by Asians, what would are media look like. 2 recent studies in NC found that sum1 who kills a White person is 3 x's more likely to receive the death sentence than sum1 who kills a minority. Would this be the case if all of the judges/police were blk? If every1 working in banks were Blk would their be redlining/reverse redlining? We have a reason to come together and gain work considering none of us can escape racism when it knocks on our door.
GGLebo23 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime You Said> Being of the same race is not a strong enough reason.<
You can say that again. Imagine trying to reason with those NOI/Black Hebrews nutjobs. You have more chance of putting your head through a thread needle. Also, Blacks are often their worst enemy, as jealousy is often the number one disease that drives Blacks to bring down fellow Blacks. One successful BP would rather die than pass on the secret of sucess to another sister or brother.
H1MLA 1 year ago
You forgot about "The Jeffersons" and on "Martin" the character Stan own WZUP on that shoe....The Wayan's Brothers show, Shwan owned a news stand, and pops owned a restaurant...Any more tv trivia, holla at ya boy...Peace!
7SaintsRow 1 year ago
You forgot about "The Jeffersons" and on "Martin" the charater Stan own WZUP on that shoe
7SaintsRow 1 year ago
Seriously should black women not raise their kids if the father doesn't want to be in their life and do the right thing. Should black women start abandoning their children or better yet, should they all start aborting every single one of them?
ifeani 1 year ago
& If all 70% of kids born out of wedlock to black women, are the same black women that got pregnant by deadbeats then that's alot of deadbeat black men running aroung isn't it?
ifeani 1 year ago
@ifeani Let's get this straight now. Contrary to what these guys like to push on the net, it's half and half. These women aren't getting impregnated and left by mainly deadbeats, but also high echelon black men too.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 Exactly. There are alot of high echelon bm that aren't marriage minded that have kids out of wedlock. Example Dwight Howard & his baby mama.
ifeani 1 year ago
@ifeani LOL, his baby mama is one of the hoes on that Basketball Wives show. No offense but I can see why he didn't stay with that.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 lol. Why? She's energetic. at least.
ifeani 1 year ago
@ifeani The BROAD IS DUMB as a bag of rocks, lol. How can someone soo educated be soo dumb and naive.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@ifeani We aren't talking about professional dudes. We are talking about mature men. Again as I said downthread, this is a M.A.D argument. Both sexes need to do better when it comes to who we date/have sex with. Everyone should ask themselves. "does this person have qualities that seem father/motherhood material?
GGLebo23 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 & I know he's a celebrity but let's not act like all black single mothers have deadbeat baby daddies. Because best believe the father of the child is around and she has his arse in courts trying to up the child support payments and make him be a father.
ifeani 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012
Which upper echelon men are you talking about? Rapper, football, basketball players? Most of these guys come from the matriarch. Thus no pride in taking care of theirs which would be instilled in a patriarch system.
JamesJ30t 1 year ago
@JamesJ30t I'm talking about EVERYONE, including professional black men.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
A person don't even have to start a business, if they're in the health care field, engineering, I.T, etc, then they could become their own private contractor.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012 Or is it independent contractor? I forgot.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
So the black community is a matriarchy because bw are raising the kids; but what are they supposed to do? not raise the kids? Isn't that what mothers are supposed to do? The courts force the fathers to pay child support, but they definitely can't force a man to want to be a real father to his children. & I keep hearing 70% of kids are born to single mothers. Does that taking into account the couples that are shacking up? or don't believe in marriage altogether?
ifeani 1 year ago 2
Another article says: "...most new black-owned firms are "nonemployer firms," which means they consist of only one person. Roughly nine in 10 black-owned firms fit this description, both in New Jersey and the rest of the nation."
NeutralSincere 1 year ago
"Between 2002 and 2007, the number of black-owned businesses increased on a rapidly upward track (60 percent), more than triple the national rate (18 percent) to 1.9 million businesses. The data show that, in terms of sheer number, black-owned businesses are one of the fastest growing segments of our economy."
According to "The Official Blog of the U.S. Census Bureau"
NeutralSincere 1 year ago 15
@NeutralSincere R1
I never really trust Government records fully because when you understand many times how they are taken, you will start to see their erroneous nature. The questions I want to know is who owns the business, by this I mean the age range, the gender, socio-financial history of the groups and in what states this happens? I know Atlanta and New Jersey are big. Do they have sponsors? Do they have Partners? Most importantly what kind of businesses are being owned or bought?
Ryukikon 1 year ago
@NeutralSincere R2
Now, I will in time check these questions out myself. I'm just really busy at the moment so that will take some free time, lol. How I ask and say this just for the thought process of it. Government unemployment, even inflation rates and projects are all cooked. they say 10% its 21%, and 21% means white America and that means 41% in black society. back to businesses, are these businesses even bought to be held or are they free and clear? this determines who owns the business
Ryukikon 1 year ago
@NeutralSincere R3
Great post, it is thought prokoving. I will check out the questions naturally myself, if you feel you have any answers you want to share or views and opinions on it. The information you have provided is very interesting and I'm really thankful that you put out. Have a good day or night.
Ryukikon 1 year ago
@NeutralSincere do you know the main business that was created between those years?
kinglloyd414 1 year ago
@kinglloyd414 I do not. But it does say that 4 out of 10 black owned businesses operated in health care, social assistance,repair. maintenance, and personal/laundry services. If that's any help.
Another article says that roughly 9 out of 10 black owned businesses consist of one person. (this is information taken from the 2002-2007 census)
NeutralSincere 1 year ago
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TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
I'm very business-minded in selling Artwork on DVD and T-Shirts. I'm about to go get my MBA in Networking ironically! What do u think about getting a MBA?
nrwilliams015 1 year ago
"Like I said there is no data on this. Even with data, experts disagree about what conclusions can be drawn from the data. That's where debate comes in. "
Agreed. That is where debate comes in. But A) There is data for this. The census tells us where people work, how much they make, and their race. And B) I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be a specific trend in one direction or another. Again, you have a right to your opinion. I'd just like you to back it up with facts.
doc4725 1 year ago
@doc4725 I took a look at some of the data that the census has to offer, and admittedly there was a sharp increase in black owned businesses (between 2002 and 2007). However, the majority of these businesses consisted of one person. Unfortunately, (or at least as far as I know) another census hasn't been conducted yet so it is unknown whether or not black owned business has taken a fall since 2007.
NeutralSincere 1 year ago
LMAO! Ok fine. The BW matriarchy is the main reason BM don't network. What are you negroes going to DO about it?
talknerdytome1 1 year ago
@talknerdytome1 Umm, FAUK 'EM and move on and eventually somebody will hear ya!
nrwilliams015 1 year ago
@talknerdytome1
Try to network anyway despite the obstacles one of being BW matriarch thus 100BlackMen. What else can we do?
JamesJ30t 1 year ago
@JamesJ30t GOH, but your telling me you judging gangs based off a TV SHOW?
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@JamesJ30t And I'm sorry to expose black men of caliber, but black men of your caliber are MAINLY responsible for being the upper heads of these gangs and getting these gangs connections to drugs, guns, etc. They're college educated and business minded like yourself.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@JamesJ30t Men coming from a patriarch (college educated or not) are just as much responsible for the bullshit that go on in the black community as men coming from a matriarch. The college educated black man is heading gangs from his suburban home.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@TheAntoine2012
LOL. "The college educated black man is heading gangs from his suburban home".
You kidding right?
JamesJ30t 1 year ago
@JamesJ30t No, I'm DEAD SERIOUS! Not all, but majority of these upper level gang members have college in their background. They run some of these gangs like an actual military.
you don't have to take my word for, go ask any blood, crip, vice lord, P Stone; Any of these california or chicago based gangs, and they'd tell you.
TheAntoine2012 1 year ago
@ImALilMuch ???
azumanation 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime
Have you considered the possibility that your childhood (the lack of any black males around until you were nearly 18, that your father is married to a white woman and you are the product of an extramarital affair, etc.) has affected your views on race and relationships? Listening to your videos, it seems readily apparent to me that that is the case. How much interaction with other black kids your own age did you have growing up?
doc4725 1 year ago
@doc4725
Not sure what this has to do with this video but of course past experiences & the way were we raised affect the way we see things including race & relationships. I am no different from anyone else in that regard.
UHeardMe1stTime 1 year ago
@UHeardMe1stTime
I think your videos have an undercurrent of assessing the black condition from the vantage point of someone just discovering the community, an outsider looking in, so to speak. Particularly in this video, where your observations are primarily superficial and do not have a lot of statistical or substantive data. You're just using conjecture to prove your point. Were you to say that "black men don't own business because of data point x, your argument would have more weight."
doc4725 1 year ago
"your obser