The intent of my original thought was to be clear exactly which church was represented on this page. I did a nice, academic job.
Also, it would be nice to keep the reasons simple about acapella singing, which is beautiful. A Church of Christ minister said to me, "We don't see the use of musical instruments in New Testament." That is very sufficient.
Now you may reply if what I think is true, that you are contentious and need to get in the last word. I don't NEED to come back.
@forbotecol54 WOW! I complimented you, thanked you, and asked for more of your opinion. And now am called contentious and needing to get in the last word. And here I thought we were having a pleasant, fruitful exchange. :( That smiley face after the thank you for the capitalization point indicates sincerity in the thanks.
The church needs to keep the issue of acapella music SIMPLE. Years ago I was told, simply, that this variety of Church of Christ (Campbellite) didn't see the use of instruments in worship music, in the New Testament. It was an easy explanation to accept.
@forbotecol54 It would be great if Christians would just accept that obvious truth. To be clear this "variety of Church" is simply Christian, simply following Christ. Campbell may have pointed to the bible in it's simplicity but is not to be named. The bible is what we are following not Campbell. We are not Campbellites. We are simply Christians. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, by which we must be saved.
Continuing: Even the Mormons have used the name Church of Christ, till they settled on their 3rd name. To refer to Mr Campbell is only to be specific, since there are several Church of Christ bodies & leaders, some like you and some NOT. Even Mennonites have used that name. Don't make small points your "religion." The adventists do that and it hurts their message. And while you are correcting folks you may try to remember to spell Bible with a capital B. Now THAT is a bigger matter of RESPECT.
@forbotecol54 You learn something new every day! Thanks for pointing me to the necessity of the capitalization of Bible. :') As far as making small points. I don't think there are any here. These are matters of sound doctrine, of salvation. Perhaps you can reference some points you consider small. Many have used Christ's name. But we still must. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
To a HUGE extent you are right. (Remember that I said that!) Now you need to know that there are two things in a church name. One is the moniker that OTHERS hang on you. For one thing, that is how you came to be called a "Christian." In more recent terms, The Mormons, Plymouth Brethren and numerous others have been named by outsiders. It is how they keep track of us, and which variety of church is being referred to. "Church of Christ" is a good name. But many quite different bodies have used it.
This is one my absolute favorite hymns! My uncles used to lead it in our church (in Pekin, IL) before he passed away. Thank you so much for posting it!
@tcook232008 "that which is perfect" did come. I believe that Paul was referring to Jesus.
@MagglesSeven Yes, he is talking about Jesus, but tongues never existed until Jesus went back to Heaven. If you look at it in the way you are thinking, there would have never been any tongues, because they would have ceased before it was ever confirmed.
If the"perfect" in context is Jesus,yes,it would have ended before beginning.Tongues started on the Day of Pentecost.However,the"perfect"is the Bible,the complete word of God.It is inspired, complete,and able to complete&equip us for every good work.When the full Word of God was complete these gifts ceased.The reason for these gifts was to confirm the message or confirm the messenger.They were not necessary after this point (death of apostles/those who already had the gifts).
@knightd94 "The reason for these gifts was to confirm the message or confirm the messenger." <-- ABSOLUTELY, and those who affirm these "gifts" today, of course, inadvertently deny the confirmation or inerrancy of the written Word.
@judyroks You don't "think we are..." Knowing, by studying God's inspired word is preferred over thinking or feeling. "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. " John 8:32. How can we know? Studying. "Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim 2:15. We know singing is acceptable by studying Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16. We have no authority to add instruments. Please see description for more
@church0fchrist Ok so since we use music in our church you THINK not KNOW we are going to hell? That is nonsense God calls people to certain churches, and not all of them are called to the Church of Christ, Baptist, Methodist etc....but I know us playing music is not going to send us to hell...that was a man made theory. I recall somewere in Psalms it says "Praise him with the trumpets" Guess that part don't matter to you..
@judyroks "Praise him with trumpets" is old testament. If you keep part of the old law you are bound to keep all of it. Read Galatians 5:3. We are under the new perfect law since Christ died. Read 1 Corinthians 13:10. It's about respecting the authority of scripture. Singing is authorized, commanded. Playing is not. It's that simple. Anything man made is just that man made. God told us how he wishes to be praised. Christ died for his church. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism," Eph 4:5.
@church0fchrist There is NOTHING wrong with the old testament! So you think "In the begining God created the heavens and the earth" does not count because it was in the old testement. This "new" stuff is a manmade tradition. Thats all, I tell you one thing sir or maam Im ready to go to my church this morning and be touched by the holy spirit. Btw, we got a new keyboard, so I guess you think that means we are terrible people. GOD
@judyroks You are correct. There is nothing wrong with the old testament. It is "given for our learning" Romans 15:4. The old law was imperfect and fulfilled by the new testament according I cor 13:10. Try reading the scriptures mentioned in all my posts. They provide the framework for new testament Christianity. When you say I "think you are terrible people" It is both rude and unfounded. I said nothing like that. Gal 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
@church0fchrist OK so are you saying there is nothing wrong with my church(Methodist) but you believe we should throw our piano and organ out which adds life to our music ministry just because of how you interperet the scripture sorry I just think you are wrong I read the scripture, and got a different interpretation.sorry. Btw, where I just put God on the other one I meant to put GOD BLESS YOU, so I wasnt trying to be rude.
@judyroks Reading the scripture, realizing it says to sing and that it doesn't say to play is not interpreting. It's simply reading. Here are two things we can agree on. 1.The new testament church is commanded to sing. 2.It's not commanded to play. Those two points aren't arguable or open to interpretation. We can know what God wants from us by reading, studying his word. You say it adds life to play instruments. In whose mind? It doesn't matter if you like it. Only that God does. Obey bible.
@church0fchrist There is NOTHING wrong with the old testament! So you think "In the begining God created the heavens and the earth" does not count because it was in the old testement. This "new" stuff is a manmade tradition. Thats all, I tell you one thing sir or maam Im ready to go to my church this morning and be touched by the holy spirit. Btw, we got a new keyboard, so I guess you think that means we are terrible people. GOD BLESS YOU!!!
well, the singing was beautiful. But I think you will find that David played the Harp, and the use of instruments for worship and praise quite common in Scripture, but then, if Alexander Campbell didn't tell you to think it, you won't.
@gaarscott22 David played the harp in the Old testament. And in Amos 6 it says WOE unto them...:5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David; Furthermore we are under the new perfect law since Christ died. In the the new we are commanded to sing. That is the ONLY new testament commandment regarding music. It's about respecting the authority of scripture. Campbell is not a father. He only pointed too scripture and said -let's follow scripture!
@church0fchrist That verse was talking about Christians singing songs about riches and compromise. They were not singing songs of worship. The words were what was being attacked, not the using of instruments.
@church0fchrist One of the 7 hebrew words for praise is zamar, which means to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise; a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.
@tcook242008 We have music in Church. It is singing - a capella, that is the only commanded music for the new tstament church that Christ started. "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord (Colossians 3:16)."
@church0fchrist Psalm 150:3-4 states, “Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet: praise Him with the psaltery and harp. Praise Him with the timbrel and dance: praise Him with with stringed instruments and organs.” We also read in II Chronicles 29:25-28, that King Hezekiah “…set the Levites in the house of the Lord with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps…for so was the commandment of the Lord by His prophets.
@tcook242008 The old testament also commands us to burn animal sacrifices and to keep the sabbath. We are not bound by the old we are bound by the new perfect law (see 1 Corinthians 13:10). All commanded music for the new tstament church that Christ started is A Capella. We respect the authority of scripture. That is why we sing. That is why we do not play instruments.
@church0fchrist The civil laws and the ceremonial laws was changed. As I said, the bible tells us that we are to live be every word that comes from God, including the words of the old testament. No, we are not bound by the law, but we are free under grace. This just means that the law itself could not save us, but could only show us what our sins were. The new law, the blood of Jesus, this is what saves us, but that doesn't mean the old testament law is useless.
@tcook242008 Agreed the old law is not useless. And the old law points to the new. We are under the new law. We are bound by the new law. Grace is a free gift yes. But faith repentance, belief and baptism are all part of salvation as well. We still have to follow the new law. Rom 6:1 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Since we are under the new law and singin is commanded we will sing
@church0fchrist Off the subject, we are not BOUND by the new law, we are FREE because of the new law. And baptism is not a part of salvation, as salvation can be obtained without it. And about Romans 6:1-2 This scripture tells us to not take advantage of grace and not to live in sin because we are dead to sin. this has nothing to do with music in the church.
@tcook242008 Baptism is for remission of sins, it is commanded and is a part of salvation according to Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Baptism is how we put on Christ. It is God's chosen method for imparting his Grace.
@church0fchrist Jesus was not baptized until He was 30. Salvation comes to those who are drawn by the Holy Spirit, not by being dipped in water. Being baptized shows that we are symbolically dying with Christ and rising to our new life with Christ. It is not required in order to be saved. The Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism
@tcook242008 Jesus never sinned. He did not need remission of sins. According to Acts 2:38 and several other places in the NT Baptism is FOR remission of sins. It's not my words, interpretation or plan. It's God's chosen plan. Baptism is not a work. It's God's chosen plan. Reread acts 2:38. There is no confusion in that verse. It is God's design. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins....
@church0fchrist The Greek preposition eis (for) does not mean “in order to obtain” it means “because of”. The scripture does not say, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ "in order to receive" the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. But it says, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ "because of" the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
@tcook242008 eis meanings ...... Into – 571 times, To -- 282 times, Unto -- 208 times, In -- 131 times, For -- 91 times, On -- 57 times, Toward -- 32 times, That -- 30 times, Against -- 25 times, Upon -- 25 times, At -- 20 times, Among -- 16 times, Concerning -- 5 times, “because of” – 0 times. thus baptism is still for remission of sins.
@church0fchrist the word for for has a number of meanings. The point is, adding works in order to receive salvation is contrary to what the bible teaches. Salvation is for ALL WHO BELIEVE. Not for all who are baptized.
@tcook242008 Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
@tcook242008 If adding instruments is adding to God's word (and it is), and you do it consistently, then it is living in sin. That verse then is exactly applicable.
@church0fchrist The old law is our road map to living holy, though it couldn't wash our sins away, it was used to show us what not to do. The new law is what gives us the chance to get to heaven. The old law and the new law work together. Jesus didn't come to change the law, but to fulfill the law, in other words, to complete it. Jesus' death perfected the law, as before, it was not perfect. If Jesus did not change the law, then the law is still in effect, but with added grace.
@tcook242008 Wow, that's really incorrect. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. That means you to hold to all of the OT laws if you bind one. We are simply under the NT now.
@church0fchrist This scripture means this: God (through Paul) was telling the Judaizers, "If you are going to insist on circumcision because of the Law, then you are also bound to other dimensions of the Law such as sacrifices, diets, and the Sabbath." He was telling them "You can't pick the laws you want to keep and throw out the rest and then call yourselves keepers of the law. If you choose to follow one portion, you must choose to follow ALL of the law"
@tcook242008 Exactly. You just said we are subject to the old law and the new. So that verse applies exactly to this. You are saying the instruments are a law from the old that applies therefor according to Gal 5:3 you have to keep it all. Diets, burnt offerings etc.
@church0fchrist The New Covenant frees us from many Old Testament laws because they have been fulfilled in Jesus. Other Old Testament laws and precepts receive deeper and fuller meaning because of Jesus.
@church0fchrist The New Covenant frees us from many Old Testament laws because they have been fulfilled in Jesus. Other Old Testament laws and precepts receive deeper and fuller meaning because of Jesus.
@church0fchrist So, the things in the old law should still be included in our forms of worship. God gave man the ability to play music. I am a piano and guitar teacher, and I give the credit for my talents to God. And as long as I live, I will use my abilities to worship Him. For a musician, playing music is just as passionate and moving as a singer singing. When I play, I am playing for God. To say you can't use your abilities to worship puts a limit on your worship. I enjoy playing for Him
@tcook242008 Don't get me wrong, I don't think you guys are wrong, but one of the 7 hebrew names for praise is zamar, which means to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise; a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.
@tcook242008 And the instrument to be plucked is the heart. If it was any other it would be commanded. It's not. God is not the author of confusion. He has given all things pertaining to life and godliness. Adding instruments is simply saying you know better than God how God wishes to be worshiped. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
@church0fchrist How is adding instruments to our worship adding to the bible? Your defensive scriptures tell you to sing from your heart and to create a melody in your heart. But you are singing from a book, not your heart, and you are creating a melody with your voices, and not in your heart.
@tcook242008 Adding instruments is adding to the bible because you can't find a command for using instruments in the bible. We are singing from our hearts as we sing words from the book. It just can't be any clearer than this. We are commanded to sing. We are not commanded to play. Singing is therefor pleasing. Playing is saying you know better than God how God wants to be worshiped.
@church0fchrist And you saying that God doesn't want instruments being used to worship Him is putting words into God's mouth. There are many scriptures telling us to praise God with instruments, but you say because it is OT that it no longer applies to us. It's the same deal with speaking in tongues. The NT did not kill the OT. God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and so is His word. The OT is written in Heaven, and so is the parts about worshiping with instruments. And it always will.
@tcook242008 that doesnt fly. If he wanted it he would have commanded it. If the bible was full of what he doesn't want in worship it would have infinite chapters... literally. And sorry but speaking in tongues passed away. 1cor 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. As you will find the Church Christ started has a scriptural reason for every item of worship
@church0fchrist If tongues have passed away, then so has knowledge. When the rapture happens, all of these things WILL vanish. There is no where in the bible that says tongues have vanished, as a matter of fact, it says that tongues is the initial evidence of being filled with the holy Ghost.
@church0fchrist There was never a period in Church history all these twenty centuries when speaking in tongues was totally absent. As we have come to the last hours of the last days, we observe that more and more Christians of every imaginable denomination are exercising this gift. Jesus incorporated the promise of the gift of tongues while speaking of worldwide evangelism (Mk 16:15-17). Therefore, history is not in favor of the cessation view of tongues.
@tcook242008 Speaking in tongues has ceased. If you listen to what is uttered when those people so-called speak in tongues today is nothing more than gibberish. No one can understand what they are saying. Just listen to what Robert Tilton would jabber. It is nothing but made up gibberish, not a recognizable language at all.
@alwayspatriotic I am not going to argue with you about weather or not tongues have ceased, although there is nowhere in the bible that says they have. I will agree with you that there are many people who are fooled into believing they are speaking in tongues, but like you said, it's just gibberish. A lot of people believe that this is what you are suppose to do, all because that's what they were told. If you really want the truth, pray and ask God, if it's real, I want it.
@tcook242008 I do pray every day, but not to be able to speak in tongues, which has ceased. I am not sure you really know just what the purpose of speaking in tongues was. There are a lot of false prophets in the world today who are lying to the people about the Bible, and too many people are willing to believe the lies.
@tcook242008 I just realized the last message didn't include the @.. my apologies! Continuing on:
In 1 Corinthians 14, after being told the gifts would eventually cease, it was also said that speaking in tongues should not be done without an interpreter. Tongues were not a "heavenly" language used to talk to God, they were a human language meant to be a symbol or confirmation; a language that can be understood by men, as shown on Pentecost.
@church0fchrist Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthian church was written about 25 years after Pentecost. Why should he discuss at such length a gift if it had already been withdrawn ? According to him, tongues will cease "when that which is perfect has come" (1 Cor 13:8-10). We have not yet attained the perfection or the full stature of Christ (Eph 4:13). When Christ shall appear, we shall be like Him (1 Jn 3:2). From then on we will be seeing Him and speaking to Him face to face.
@tcook242008 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Not all worship is acceptable. Ask Nadab and Abihu Lev 10:1-2
@tcook242008 Have I? Or are you convicted by the plain truth of scripture. All I've done is point out the verses. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? You have a tough road ahead. Talk to the elders, show the pertinent scriptures, if they will not conform to the new testament pattern then you must search out the true bride of Christ.
@church0fchrist I am not convicted. There is no truth to your evidence. So you can stop trying to manipulate the bible to try to condemn me. I am a praise and worship leader, and trust me, I have been a member of the Church of Christ, and I have never in my life seen God move so sweetly and boldly than in a church with musical instruments. The proof, my friend, is not in your defense, but it is in the evidence.
@tcook242008 If you are not convicted it is because you do not respect the authority of scripture. Check your inbox. The only evidence is scripture. Scripture commands singing. It does not command playing. I'm sure lots of elements you could add to the worship would move you. We are humans manipulated by our senses. It's a good thing we don't have to rely on our emotions for answers. We have God's inspired word.
@church0fchrist It's kind of funny how you have branded me as disrespectful of the Word of God because I do not buy into your beliefs. You have not proven any points. You have bombarded me with a few scriptures that hold true to your claim and rejected those that I have presented and marked them as OT past. So, whatever. We all serve the same God, at least I hope we do. You have condemned me to hell, which really isn't your call. But I say to you good luck with you.
@tcook242008 I have done no such thing. It's not my beliefs you disagree with it's actual scriptures. I haven't marked your verses as OT they are OT. I never condemned you to hell. I showed you the verses that are to guide our worship. You feel I condemned you when the relevant scriptures show the error of your worship.
@church0fchrist I am by no means feeling condemned, you presented the scripture that says in the last days men will say, have I not cast out devil in your name and prophesied in your name? I am not stupid, there is no other reason to present that scripture than to say that I am hell bound. You believe the OT is just that, old and of no value to today's christian, but I say we must live by every word of God.
@tcook242008 uoting scripture is not manipulating the bible. All I'm doing is quoting the relevant scriptures. The scripture convicts you. Then accuse me of condemning you. Gal 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
@church0fchrist In Matthew 4:4, it says that man ought to live “by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” If this is true, then the Old Testament is indeed a valid part of God’s Word. The New Testament also shows that God is praised in heaven through the use of instrumental music (Rev. 5:8 ) (Rev. 14:2-3). Revelation 15:2-3 shows that the resurrected saints will sing praise to God, and that their voices will be accompanied by the playing of harps.
@tcook242008 Of course OT is valid. And the OT said Jesus is coming, the old imperfect law will pass away when the perfect comes. The OT says the NT will be the law we are under. The new testament church was commanded and shown to sing. That is not arguable. That there will be music in heaven is clear too. But there won't be metal or wood in heaven either. Or even vocal chords. The fact remains that 700 years after Christ established his true church MAN introduced instruments.
Just listened to one of the hits from the 1800's!!!. To my ear it sounded perfect. But, to be honest I was absorbing the glorious and prayerful words as the music drifted heavenward.
Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works.
I come back to this often to enjoy true acapella singing. One comment claimed "put away the greatest hits of the 1800s", but how often do we see the greatest hits for sale on tv and many people buying them, and stating, "Hey, I remember those songs!" Many times, in songs on the radio, people get caught up in the music only, and do not focus on what the words in the songs are actually proclaiming, this is why the older songs never are outgrown in the Church... New ones can be added though...
I love to see what you guys post. I attend the Sanderson, TX CofC. It is me and 4 other people. I am the youngest by about 40 years. We try to do this song every once in a while. It is one of my favorites but it is hard to lead when you are the only bass.
Not manu know and understand that there is no instrumental music in worshipping God because they don't read for them selves and they do not attempt to comprehend scripture. But it is there in the bible. It is in there own instructions for worshipping the one true God. Mechanical music can never be used for such and it indeed was never to be created with the intent to substitute or aid our true worship with which we were given at birth.
What is sad is that there are men in leadership at some of the CofC's in the sacramento area that I know personally cheated on their wives and are still in leardership. If I could I would list them.I know 1 that left his wife with the church secratary and went up north and then called for a reff and got it.He got back with her and is now an elder.The cOfC is filled with the most hatefull sin going people around!
there will always be thoses types of people in any church. does the fact that u know a few hypocrits that cheated on their wifes, make the whole church bad? i hardly think so. an as far as that goes, how do you know they havent fixed the problem? Everyone watches christians so close just waiting for them to make one small mistake so they can pounce on it.
Where there will be no setting sun? Yeah right. Tell me that from six-foot under! LOL When you rise from six-foot under, and I see it fer meself, then I'll believe it!
just anther example of why I don't miss the CoC. sorry to say, but where is the joy? if one listens with a joyfull ear, it just lacks, well, joy and sounds very repetitive.... as with all songs that have been over used and over simplified in the coC... truth hurts, but its the truth... but hey if it floats your boat...knock yourself out.
It doesn't matter if it floats our boat. It's God's opinion we are concerned with. That song however is very uplifting when we sing. We are filled with joy when we sing this song in praise to our father.
we dont sing it to float our boat we sing it to praise our father and the reason we go to the church of christ is to spread the gospel to all the earth...... ill pray for u
It is just like neanderpaul said. It is actually kind of uplifting to sing it together even if sometimes you aren't on key or you sing in a simple way. It is the spirit that guides us-- not just the joy but also the love.
sorry to hear this. but ive been to many other churches and its nothing more than a production of powerpoints and midmorning musicals. i have been to many other churches where the preacher never opened his bible during the entire sermon. it was more like a motivational speech. yes, some have lost the joy but that doesnt mean we can turn it into our own little hollywood presentation.
Lucky me I had song book in hand and sang along... Thank you for putting on youtube... I love being able to hear beautiful voices blended in worship to our God...
We ought to be careful when we claim to speak where the bible speaks and are silent where the word is silent. Most of us worship in buildings designed for congregational worship. There is no direct authorization to do so. We do so for expediacy and efficiency's sake. A building...an instrument..a fellowship hall..bible classes are tools by which we attempt to complete His commandment...go ye therefore...
dead indeed these people need to wake up and understand and remember the hold up in waco texas when those people who workship this same dam foolish god help them god help them.
How beautiful it is seeing gods message spread through out the world through song. Im a minister at a church of christ i would love to come preach there just to hear the singing. ephes 5:19
I'm in the Reformed Presbyterian Church, and we're vocal-only, too. We understand Scripture's teaching on this exactly the same as you. We do, however, believe that God has not commanded man-made hymns, so we sing only the Psalms set to music. Anyway, this sure sounds nice!
I'm from the RP Church as well! The first time I visited the church, I thought "Man, they must be really poor. They can't even afford an organ" LOL We moved to a city without an RP church, and I miss singing the psalms a capella. I love storing up God's Word in your heart, and the freedom of singing without instruments.
There are many beautiful praise songs, but very few have the depth of the psalms. Modern songs are so repetitive, and watered down; they can't compare to the meat of God's Word.
christianity will fall soon, bow down now before our beautiful lord satan. satan brings nothing but kindness and you stupid no good fucks ruin it all and give everything a bad name. hail satan, lucifer, belial, legion. go fuck yourselves, all of you, i spit on you
You're right that we don't focus on any one verse and exclude others. Any scholar of the Bible needs to understand any passage or verse in its entire context. Not simply study one verse and try to exclude the rest. A thorough understanding of the WHOLE Bible is necessary to know what God requires of us and if we chose to restrain ourselves and base our worship on any one verse then we aren't fully completing the will of God. Please think before you make baseless, uninformed assumptions.
Beatiful singing! I am so thrilled that I found this video as well as the others. I am currently in a situation where the nearest Church of Christ is over an hour away. As a college student I can't afford to drive that far every Sunday. Fortunately, this situation is only going to last until the end of the semester so I hope that your singing will help me get through until I am back home where there is a Church.
You are a great singing church, but don't you think it's time we put aside the "Greatest Hits of the 1800's"? As generic Christians with acapella music, we should be at the forefront of all churches in vocal music! I'm convinced the Lord himself is now tired of hearing "Zion's Call"! Brotherly Love to ya.
I have used Sacred Selections pretty much all my 22 years, but there is also a good book Hymns For Worship, that does include some of the new songs. But I do understand your comment about Zions Call, I personally am tired of singing it too. Christian Love to ya :)
Well thanks. We do enjoy singing praises to our father. If you'll check our other videos you'll hear the "oldies" as well as songs from the 70's, the 80's and as recent as the 1990's. I havve written 3 hymns myself that I will introduce soon.
@church0fchrist this is a beautiful song brother. im happy to see your faith is strong. thanks for sharing this video with us. this song also sounds beautiful in spanish.
@church0fchrist this is a beautiful song brother. im happy to see your faith is strong. thanks for sharing this video with us. this song also sounds beautiful in spanish.
it doesn't matter to the Lord how we sound though, as others put it. God doesn't care if we sound good or bad, it just needs to come from the heart :]
The key to that statement "help" Who would it help? Who is the worship directed to? God asked us to sing. That is what we do. He didn't ask us to play. We are still in harmony with each other even as the key drops from beginning to end.
@church0fchrist Sorry, I accidentally clicked on the "vote down" button, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. Who are they trying to please? Does God really care if you're on key? I thought it sounded great, btw, maybe a little low, but that song has such a large range it's not easy to pitch.
watching this argument is what i've always hated about some christians. they believe that worshipping one way is the correct way to do so. that is not true at all!!!! i used to attend a church of christ where some members thought (and i've even heard this said) that other churches were wrong because they lead worship differently. let different worship be led...when it comes to biblical worship...mind your own business and let others worship how they see fit. so what if it doesn't please you!!!!!
exactly. if they know God has given them an instrument and a talent for it...then let them use that instrument (be it vocal or mechanical) to glorify HIM!
God gave Cain a talent to raise crops, but he was not pleased when Cain used that talent to worship him.
It is our duty to praise God in the way he has instructed us to do so, and to the best of our ability - whether that ability be great or small is of no consequence to God.
Relax. I prefer no instruments because the praise songs sound very pure without added music. But we all follow our own path to worship and what is right for me may not be right for others. It's only an argument if you make it one. Worship in the way God has led you.
So many miss the profundity of this argument. What did God authorize? If your doctor writes a prescription for Penicillin, then the pharmacist knows that excludes all other kinds of drugs. It does not exclude the label, the bottle. the bag to put it in. When the Lord asked us to Sing and Make Melody in our hearts it excludes all other types of music. Not excluded is the microphone, the song leader, the song book, etc. The key is: What has God authorized? (authority) Col 3:17
This (youtube) is not the worship service. The camera wasn't part of the service either. The camera captured the service and youtube shared it after the worship service was over. Instruments would have been a part of the service and therefor would have been adding to the service. All youtube does is share the way the original church was setup - Singing.
I must say it is some beautiful singing but I cant see why is it that they are so rigid against the use of instruments. The bible and history tells us that instruments were used in worship, even in the temple worship. If instruments are not suppose to be used then microphones, song leaders, camera, youtube, etc. should not be used either, if u are going to follow the Bible.
my fellow brethren in Christ Im not in any debate with you about your beliefs. But if u were to look at church history, it wouldnt be good for the church in the new testament to use instruments seeing that they had to hide to worship for fear of their lives. however, its up to person individual preference to use instruments, I believe in the use of instruments and it is a blessing and I know that many others will agree. God bless
As I said before Im not into arguing over beliefs which is not important, cause there are so many souls in this world who need to know Jesus so whether or not we use instruments is the least. God did not say we should or should not use instruments in the new testament, instruments is from the old testament. But I really have no more time to debate this, Jesus is coming and ppl need to know that. So God bless.
I agree that this is not important when teaching people initially, however this is between you and I. So it is fairly important, as it deals with pleasing God. We know that it's not "once saved, always saved", so don't we always have to strive to please God?
Well he has told us how to worship, so by not doing something or doing something extra, wouldn't he be displeased? It's uncomforting to know that others may not be worshipping God correctly whether unknowingly or knowingly.
Whether initially or not, its not important. You claim that God taught it that way but there is no aboslute to this. I know that the essence of woshipping God is found in Jn 4:24, to do so in Spirit and in truth, whether with music or without. As for me I use instruments and I will always do so, and I know that God is pleased with me cause He is the One who directs my life. So Im no longer into anymore debate, the essence is that Jesus Christ who is Lord is glorified...
So we've established that the bible doesn't forbid it, and that it doesn't give allowance for it. Well if you read Revelation 20:18-19, it says that if you add to the book then God will add him to the plagues...
So if the Bible doesn't have scripture allowing it, yet it is done, wouldn't that be adding to the book?
hello, u are really looking for some argument and Im not up for it. I believe the whole Bible to be the inspired Word of God and Psalms tells us to use instruments to praise God. David was a man after God's own heart and he used instruments, Miriam use the tambourine, etc. So I am not into the debate about using or not using. u can say what u want to say but I use it and will continue to so if that is what is going to send me to hell well so be it, cause God didnt tell me not to use them.
I see the OT and the NT as the Word of God and that is what I follow. So clearly you are saying that the OT is not apart of God's word. You are clearly up for vane conversation which Paul says we should avoid, cause I dont see the nescessity for this.
For all my errors, I repent. Forgive my misunderstandings and wrong statements.
forbotecol54 1 month ago
The intent of my original thought was to be clear exactly which church was represented on this page. I did a nice, academic job.
Also, it would be nice to keep the reasons simple about acapella singing, which is beautiful. A Church of Christ minister said to me, "We don't see the use of musical instruments in New Testament." That is very sufficient.
Now you may reply if what I think is true, that you are contentious and need to get in the last word. I don't NEED to come back.
forbotecol54 1 month ago
@forbotecol54 WOW! I complimented you, thanked you, and asked for more of your opinion. And now am called contentious and needing to get in the last word. And here I thought we were having a pleasant, fruitful exchange. :( That smiley face after the thank you for the capitalization point indicates sincerity in the thanks.
church0fchrist 1 month ago
The church needs to keep the issue of acapella music SIMPLE. Years ago I was told, simply, that this variety of Church of Christ (Campbellite) didn't see the use of instruments in worship music, in the New Testament. It was an easy explanation to accept.
forbotecol54 1 month ago
@forbotecol54 It would be great if Christians would just accept that obvious truth. To be clear this "variety of Church" is simply Christian, simply following Christ. Campbell may have pointed to the bible in it's simplicity but is not to be named. The bible is what we are following not Campbell. We are not Campbellites. We are simply Christians. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, by which we must be saved.
church0fchrist 1 month ago
Continuing: Even the Mormons have used the name Church of Christ, till they settled on their 3rd name. To refer to Mr Campbell is only to be specific, since there are several Church of Christ bodies & leaders, some like you and some NOT. Even Mennonites have used that name. Don't make small points your "religion." The adventists do that and it hurts their message. And while you are correcting folks you may try to remember to spell Bible with a capital B. Now THAT is a bigger matter of RESPECT.
forbotecol54 1 month ago
@forbotecol54 You learn something new every day! Thanks for pointing me to the necessity of the capitalization of Bible. :') As far as making small points. I don't think there are any here. These are matters of sound doctrine, of salvation. Perhaps you can reference some points you consider small. Many have used Christ's name. But we still must. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
church0fchrist 1 month ago
To a HUGE extent you are right. (Remember that I said that!) Now you need to know that there are two things in a church name. One is the moniker that OTHERS hang on you. For one thing, that is how you came to be called a "Christian." In more recent terms, The Mormons, Plymouth Brethren and numerous others have been named by outsiders. It is how they keep track of us, and which variety of church is being referred to. "Church of Christ" is a good name. But many quite different bodies have used it.
forbotecol54 1 month ago
this is one of my favourite hymns!
genevieforever6031 2 months ago
Grew up in the Church of Christ and always loved this hymn. Thanks for posting.
BuddaBill 2 months ago
So beautiful, thank you for posting. Praise God. Greetings from the church in southern Arizona.
Concatenate 9 months ago
Thankful that I come upon your Youtube page, It's hard to find singing, the way the New Testament tell us to sing. Thanks for putting this up
herringrb 11 months ago
Such beautiful singing. Well done, brothers.
CofCGuy 11 months ago
Too atheistic
redice1024 11 months ago
This is one my absolute favorite hymns! My uncles used to lead it in our church (in Pekin, IL) before he passed away. Thank you so much for posting it!
@tcook232008 "that which is perfect" did come. I believe that Paul was referring to Jesus.
MagglesSeven 1 year ago
@MagglesSeven Yes, he is talking about Jesus, but tongues never existed until Jesus went back to Heaven. If you look at it in the way you are thinking, there would have never been any tongues, because they would have ceased before it was ever confirmed.
tcook242008 11 months ago
If the"perfect" in context is Jesus,yes,it would have ended before beginning.Tongues started on the Day of Pentecost.However,the"perfect"is the Bible,the complete word of God.It is inspired, complete,and able to complete&equip us for every good work.When the full Word of God was complete these gifts ceased.The reason for these gifts was to confirm the message or confirm the messenger.They were not necessary after this point (death of apostles/those who already had the gifts).
knightd94 9 months ago
@knightd94 "The reason for these gifts was to confirm the message or confirm the messenger." <-- ABSOLUTELY, and those who affirm these "gifts" today, of course, inadvertently deny the confirmation or inerrancy of the written Word.
lllannallll 7 months ago
well he have a piano and organ in our church, and I do not think we are going to hell for that!!It helps us get in the "mood" for worship!
judyroks 1 year ago
@judyroks You don't "think we are..." Knowing, by studying God's inspired word is preferred over thinking or feeling. "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. " John 8:32. How can we know? Studying. "Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim 2:15. We know singing is acceptable by studying Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16. We have no authority to add instruments. Please see description for more
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist Ok so since we use music in our church you THINK not KNOW we are going to hell? That is nonsense God calls people to certain churches, and not all of them are called to the Church of Christ, Baptist, Methodist etc....but I know us playing music is not going to send us to hell...that was a man made theory. I recall somewere in Psalms it says "Praise him with the trumpets" Guess that part don't matter to you..
judyroks 1 year ago
@judyroks "Praise him with trumpets" is old testament. If you keep part of the old law you are bound to keep all of it. Read Galatians 5:3. We are under the new perfect law since Christ died. Read 1 Corinthians 13:10. It's about respecting the authority of scripture. Singing is authorized, commanded. Playing is not. It's that simple. Anything man made is just that man made. God told us how he wishes to be praised. Christ died for his church. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism," Eph 4:5.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist There is NOTHING wrong with the old testament! So you think "In the begining God created the heavens and the earth" does not count because it was in the old testement. This "new" stuff is a manmade tradition. Thats all, I tell you one thing sir or maam Im ready to go to my church this morning and be touched by the holy spirit. Btw, we got a new keyboard, so I guess you think that means we are terrible people. GOD
judyroks 1 year ago
@judyroks You are correct. There is nothing wrong with the old testament. It is "given for our learning" Romans 15:4. The old law was imperfect and fulfilled by the new testament according I cor 13:10. Try reading the scriptures mentioned in all my posts. They provide the framework for new testament Christianity. When you say I "think you are terrible people" It is both rude and unfounded. I said nothing like that. Gal 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist OK so are you saying there is nothing wrong with my church(Methodist) but you believe we should throw our piano and organ out which adds life to our music ministry just because of how you interperet the scripture sorry I just think you are wrong I read the scripture, and got a different interpretation.sorry. Btw, where I just put God on the other one I meant to put GOD BLESS YOU, so I wasnt trying to be rude.
judyroks 1 year ago
@judyroks Reading the scripture, realizing it says to sing and that it doesn't say to play is not interpreting. It's simply reading. Here are two things we can agree on. 1.The new testament church is commanded to sing. 2.It's not commanded to play. Those two points aren't arguable or open to interpretation. We can know what God wants from us by reading, studying his word. You say it adds life to play instruments. In whose mind? It doesn't matter if you like it. Only that God does. Obey bible.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist There is NOTHING wrong with the old testament! So you think "In the begining God created the heavens and the earth" does not count because it was in the old testement. This "new" stuff is a manmade tradition. Thats all, I tell you one thing sir or maam Im ready to go to my church this morning and be touched by the holy spirit. Btw, we got a new keyboard, so I guess you think that means we are terrible people. GOD BLESS YOU!!!
judyroks 1 year ago
@church0fchrist
well, the singing was beautiful. But I think you will find that David played the Harp, and the use of instruments for worship and praise quite common in Scripture, but then, if Alexander Campbell didn't tell you to think it, you won't.
gaarscott22 1 year ago
@gaarscott22 David played the harp in the Old testament. And in Amos 6 it says WOE unto them...:5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David; Furthermore we are under the new perfect law since Christ died. In the the new we are commanded to sing. That is the ONLY new testament commandment regarding music. It's about respecting the authority of scripture. Campbell is not a father. He only pointed too scripture and said -let's follow scripture!
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist That verse was talking about Christians singing songs about riches and compromise. They were not singing songs of worship. The words were what was being attacked, not the using of instruments.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@church0fchrist One of the 7 hebrew words for praise is zamar, which means to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise; a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 And what instrument shall we pluck? The only one commanded. The heart.
Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord (Ephesians 5:19).
church0fchrist 1 year ago
Do you believe having music in the church is a sin or something?
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 We have music in Church. It is singing - a capella, that is the only commanded music for the new tstament church that Christ started. "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord (Colossians 3:16)."
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist Psalm 150:3-4 states, “Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet: praise Him with the psaltery and harp. Praise Him with the timbrel and dance: praise Him with with stringed instruments and organs.” We also read in II Chronicles 29:25-28, that King Hezekiah “…set the Levites in the house of the Lord with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps…for so was the commandment of the Lord by His prophets.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 The old testament also commands us to burn animal sacrifices and to keep the sabbath. We are not bound by the old we are bound by the new perfect law (see 1 Corinthians 13:10). All commanded music for the new tstament church that Christ started is A Capella. We respect the authority of scripture. That is why we sing. That is why we do not play instruments.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist The civil laws and the ceremonial laws was changed. As I said, the bible tells us that we are to live be every word that comes from God, including the words of the old testament. No, we are not bound by the law, but we are free under grace. This just means that the law itself could not save us, but could only show us what our sins were. The new law, the blood of Jesus, this is what saves us, but that doesn't mean the old testament law is useless.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Agreed the old law is not useless. And the old law points to the new. We are under the new law. We are bound by the new law. Grace is a free gift yes. But faith repentance, belief and baptism are all part of salvation as well. We still have to follow the new law. Rom 6:1 1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Since we are under the new law and singin is commanded we will sing
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist Off the subject, we are not BOUND by the new law, we are FREE because of the new law. And baptism is not a part of salvation, as salvation can be obtained without it. And about Romans 6:1-2 This scripture tells us to not take advantage of grace and not to live in sin because we are dead to sin. this has nothing to do with music in the church.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Baptism is for remission of sins, it is commanded and is a part of salvation according to Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Baptism is how we put on Christ. It is God's chosen method for imparting his Grace.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist Jesus was not baptized until He was 30. Salvation comes to those who are drawn by the Holy Spirit, not by being dipped in water. Being baptized shows that we are symbolically dying with Christ and rising to our new life with Christ. It is not required in order to be saved. The Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Jesus never sinned. He did not need remission of sins. According to Acts 2:38 and several other places in the NT Baptism is FOR remission of sins. It's not my words, interpretation or plan. It's God's chosen plan. Baptism is not a work. It's God's chosen plan. Reread acts 2:38. There is no confusion in that verse. It is God's design. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins....
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist The Greek preposition eis (for) does not mean “in order to obtain” it means “because of”. The scripture does not say, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ "in order to receive" the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. But it says, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ "because of" the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 eis meanings ...... Into – 571 times, To -- 282 times, Unto -- 208 times, In -- 131 times, For -- 91 times, On -- 57 times, Toward -- 32 times, That -- 30 times, Against -- 25 times, Upon -- 25 times, At -- 20 times, Among -- 16 times, Concerning -- 5 times, “because of” – 0 times. thus baptism is still for remission of sins.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist the word for for has a number of meanings. The point is, adding works in order to receive salvation is contrary to what the bible teaches. Salvation is for ALL WHO BELIEVE. Not for all who are baptized.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
and finally
hokies123 5 months ago
@tcook242008 Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
You can't only have works. Likewise, you can't only have faith.
Where does it say baptism is a work anyways?
hokies123 5 months ago
@tcook242008 If adding instruments is adding to God's word (and it is), and you do it consistently, then it is living in sin. That verse then is exactly applicable.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist The old law is our road map to living holy, though it couldn't wash our sins away, it was used to show us what not to do. The new law is what gives us the chance to get to heaven. The old law and the new law work together. Jesus didn't come to change the law, but to fulfill the law, in other words, to complete it. Jesus' death perfected the law, as before, it was not perfect. If Jesus did not change the law, then the law is still in effect, but with added grace.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Wow, that's really incorrect. Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. That means you to hold to all of the OT laws if you bind one. We are simply under the NT now.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist This scripture means this: God (through Paul) was telling the Judaizers, "If you are going to insist on circumcision because of the Law, then you are also bound to other dimensions of the Law such as sacrifices, diets, and the Sabbath." He was telling them "You can't pick the laws you want to keep and throw out the rest and then call yourselves keepers of the law. If you choose to follow one portion, you must choose to follow ALL of the law"
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Exactly. You just said we are subject to the old law and the new. So that verse applies exactly to this. You are saying the instruments are a law from the old that applies therefor according to Gal 5:3 you have to keep it all. Diets, burnt offerings etc.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist The New Covenant frees us from many Old Testament laws because they have been fulfilled in Jesus. Other Old Testament laws and precepts receive deeper and fuller meaning because of Jesus.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@church0fchrist The New Covenant frees us from many Old Testament laws because they have been fulfilled in Jesus. Other Old Testament laws and precepts receive deeper and fuller meaning because of Jesus.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@church0fchrist So, the things in the old law should still be included in our forms of worship. God gave man the ability to play music. I am a piano and guitar teacher, and I give the credit for my talents to God. And as long as I live, I will use my abilities to worship Him. For a musician, playing music is just as passionate and moving as a singer singing. When I play, I am playing for God. To say you can't use your abilities to worship puts a limit on your worship. I enjoy playing for Him
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Don't get me wrong, I don't think you guys are wrong, but one of the 7 hebrew names for praise is zamar, which means to pluck the strings of an instrument, to sing, to praise; a musical word which is largely involved with joyful expressions of music with musical instruments.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 And the instrument to be plucked is the heart. If it was any other it would be commanded. It's not. God is not the author of confusion. He has given all things pertaining to life and godliness. Adding instruments is simply saying you know better than God how God wishes to be worshiped. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist How is adding instruments to our worship adding to the bible? Your defensive scriptures tell you to sing from your heart and to create a melody in your heart. But you are singing from a book, not your heart, and you are creating a melody with your voices, and not in your heart.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Adding instruments is adding to the bible because you can't find a command for using instruments in the bible. We are singing from our hearts as we sing words from the book. It just can't be any clearer than this. We are commanded to sing. We are not commanded to play. Singing is therefor pleasing. Playing is saying you know better than God how God wants to be worshiped.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist And you saying that God doesn't want instruments being used to worship Him is putting words into God's mouth. There are many scriptures telling us to praise God with instruments, but you say because it is OT that it no longer applies to us. It's the same deal with speaking in tongues. The NT did not kill the OT. God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and so is His word. The OT is written in Heaven, and so is the parts about worshiping with instruments. And it always will.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 that doesnt fly. If he wanted it he would have commanded it. If the bible was full of what he doesn't want in worship it would have infinite chapters... literally. And sorry but speaking in tongues passed away. 1cor 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. As you will find the Church Christ started has a scriptural reason for every item of worship
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist If tongues have passed away, then so has knowledge. When the rapture happens, all of these things WILL vanish. There is no where in the bible that says tongues have vanished, as a matter of fact, it says that tongues is the initial evidence of being filled with the holy Ghost.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 The word rapture isn't even in the bible.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Tongues were to prove that the apostles were from God. Paul said they would cease. They did.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist There was never a period in Church history all these twenty centuries when speaking in tongues was totally absent. As we have come to the last hours of the last days, we observe that more and more Christians of every imaginable denomination are exercising this gift. Jesus incorporated the promise of the gift of tongues while speaking of worldwide evangelism (Mk 16:15-17). Therefore, history is not in favor of the cessation view of tongues.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Speaking in tongues has ceased. If you listen to what is uttered when those people so-called speak in tongues today is nothing more than gibberish. No one can understand what they are saying. Just listen to what Robert Tilton would jabber. It is nothing but made up gibberish, not a recognizable language at all.
alwayspatriotic 11 months ago
@alwayspatriotic I am not going to argue with you about weather or not tongues have ceased, although there is nowhere in the bible that says they have. I will agree with you that there are many people who are fooled into believing they are speaking in tongues, but like you said, it's just gibberish. A lot of people believe that this is what you are suppose to do, all because that's what they were told. If you really want the truth, pray and ask God, if it's real, I want it.
tcook242008 11 months ago
@tcook242008 I do pray every day, but not to be able to speak in tongues, which has ceased. I am not sure you really know just what the purpose of speaking in tongues was. There are a lot of false prophets in the world today who are lying to the people about the Bible, and too many people are willing to believe the lies.
alwayspatriotic 11 months ago
@tcook242008 I just realized the last message didn't include the @.. my apologies! Continuing on:
In 1 Corinthians 14, after being told the gifts would eventually cease, it was also said that speaking in tongues should not be done without an interpreter. Tongues were not a "heavenly" language used to talk to God, they were a human language meant to be a symbol or confirmation; a language that can be understood by men, as shown on Pentecost.
knightd94 9 months ago
@church0fchrist Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthian church was written about 25 years after Pentecost. Why should he discuss at such length a gift if it had already been withdrawn ? According to him, tongues will cease "when that which is perfect has come" (1 Cor 13:8-10). We have not yet attained the perfection or the full stature of Christ (Eph 4:13). When Christ shall appear, we shall be like Him (1 Jn 3:2). From then on we will be seeing Him and speaking to Him face to face.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Not all worship is acceptable. Ask Nadab and Abihu Lev 10:1-2
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist So, you have condemned me to hell I see.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Have I? Or are you convicted by the plain truth of scripture. All I've done is point out the verses. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? You have a tough road ahead. Talk to the elders, show the pertinent scriptures, if they will not conform to the new testament pattern then you must search out the true bride of Christ.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist I am not convicted. There is no truth to your evidence. So you can stop trying to manipulate the bible to try to condemn me. I am a praise and worship leader, and trust me, I have been a member of the Church of Christ, and I have never in my life seen God move so sweetly and boldly than in a church with musical instruments. The proof, my friend, is not in your defense, but it is in the evidence.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 If you are not convicted it is because you do not respect the authority of scripture. Check your inbox. The only evidence is scripture. Scripture commands singing. It does not command playing. I'm sure lots of elements you could add to the worship would move you. We are humans manipulated by our senses. It's a good thing we don't have to rely on our emotions for answers. We have God's inspired word.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist It's kind of funny how you have branded me as disrespectful of the Word of God because I do not buy into your beliefs. You have not proven any points. You have bombarded me with a few scriptures that hold true to your claim and rejected those that I have presented and marked them as OT past. So, whatever. We all serve the same God, at least I hope we do. You have condemned me to hell, which really isn't your call. But I say to you good luck with you.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 I have done no such thing. It's not my beliefs you disagree with it's actual scriptures. I haven't marked your verses as OT they are OT. I never condemned you to hell. I showed you the verses that are to guide our worship. You feel I condemned you when the relevant scriptures show the error of your worship.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist I am by no means feeling condemned, you presented the scripture that says in the last days men will say, have I not cast out devil in your name and prophesied in your name? I am not stupid, there is no other reason to present that scripture than to say that I am hell bound. You believe the OT is just that, old and of no value to today's christian, but I say we must live by every word of God.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 uoting scripture is not manipulating the bible. All I'm doing is quoting the relevant scriptures. The scripture convicts you. Then accuse me of condemning you. Gal 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
church0fchrist 1 year ago
@church0fchrist In Matthew 4:4, it says that man ought to live “by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” If this is true, then the Old Testament is indeed a valid part of God’s Word. The New Testament also shows that God is praised in heaven through the use of instrumental music (Rev. 5:8 ) (Rev. 14:2-3). Revelation 15:2-3 shows that the resurrected saints will sing praise to God, and that their voices will be accompanied by the playing of harps.
tcook242008 1 year ago
@tcook242008 Of course OT is valid. And the OT said Jesus is coming, the old imperfect law will pass away when the perfect comes. The OT says the NT will be the law we are under. The new testament church was commanded and shown to sing. That is not arguable. That there will be music in heaven is clear too. But there won't be metal or wood in heaven either. Or even vocal chords. The fact remains that 700 years after Christ established his true church MAN introduced instruments.
church0fchrist 1 year ago
Greetings from Mexico brothers. thank
skateboardingcom1 1 year ago
hey everyone. im a member of the body form Kansas City check out my website cocsermons.blogspot.com.
God bless
JaMereLW 1 year ago
beautiful!!
0fficialAlyssa 1 year ago
Thank you so much for posting. I would love to hear your membership sing "Lead Mr Gently Home Father"
selfportraitnfl 1 year ago
Love this song! thanks for uploading it-
I grew up in a Church of Christ and I love hearing these hymns again!
justinebollinger 1 year ago
Hello.
Just listened to one of the hits from the 1800's!!!. To my ear it sounded perfect. But, to be honest I was absorbing the glorious and prayerful words as the music drifted heavenward.
Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works.
Regards.
goinghomesomeday1 1 year ago
i love this Church!
123noree 1 year ago
I come back to this often to enjoy true acapella singing. One comment claimed "put away the greatest hits of the 1800s", but how often do we see the greatest hits for sale on tv and many people buying them, and stating, "Hey, I remember those songs!" Many times, in songs on the radio, people get caught up in the music only, and do not focus on what the words in the songs are actually proclaiming, this is why the older songs never are outgrown in the Church... New ones can be added though...
13BedRock72 1 year ago
All thing's work out for the good of those who love the Lord who's called according to his purpose!
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
Great job! You can improve on the human voice.
brownie6916 1 year ago
god's not real
garrettghost 1 year ago
I love to see what you guys post. I attend the Sanderson, TX CofC. It is me and 4 other people. I am the youngest by about 40 years. We try to do this song every once in a while. It is one of my favorites but it is hard to lead when you are the only bass.
raffertysmith 1 year ago
Sobering message - relatively soon I shall see (be held accountable) for what I have done in this life.
morriswilburn 1 year ago
Not manu know and understand that there is no instrumental music in worshipping God because they don't read for them selves and they do not attempt to comprehend scripture. But it is there in the bible. It is in there own instructions for worshipping the one true God. Mechanical music can never be used for such and it indeed was never to be created with the intent to substitute or aid our true worship with which we were given at birth.
BroGeorge1000 1 year ago
one of my greatest song from CoC Nigeria
4kqw1 1 year ago
Jesus said, "I am the Resurrection and the Life. He who believes in Me shall never die, but has passed from death to life."
2MyPlayList 2 years ago 5
What is sad is that there are men in leadership at some of the CofC's in the sacramento area that I know personally cheated on their wives and are still in leardership. If I could I would list them.I know 1 that left his wife with the church secratary and went up north and then called for a reff and got it.He got back with her and is now an elder.The cOfC is filled with the most hatefull sin going people around!
latabanza 2 years ago
Youtube is probably not the place to discuss this news. You might want to publish it in a place read exclusively by members of The Church of Christ.
Julian9ehp 2 years ago
there will always be thoses types of people in any church. does the fact that u know a few hypocrits that cheated on their wifes, make the whole church bad? i hardly think so. an as far as that goes, how do you know they havent fixed the problem? Everyone watches christians so close just waiting for them to make one small mistake so they can pounce on it.
flybywre 2 years ago
Where there will be no setting sun? Yeah right. Tell me that from six-foot under! LOL When you rise from six-foot under, and I see it fer meself, then I'll believe it!
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
yea go church of christ!!!!! is this the carthage church?
2kool4yall 2 years ago 2
just anther example of why I don't miss the CoC. sorry to say, but where is the joy? if one listens with a joyfull ear, it just lacks, well, joy and sounds very repetitive.... as with all songs that have been over used and over simplified in the coC... truth hurts, but its the truth... but hey if it floats your boat...knock yourself out.
Callie04 2 years ago
It doesn't matter if it floats our boat. It's God's opinion we are concerned with. That song however is very uplifting when we sing. We are filled with joy when we sing this song in praise to our father.
neanderpaul 2 years ago 2
we dont sing it to float our boat we sing it to praise our father and the reason we go to the church of christ is to spread the gospel to all the earth...... ill pray for u
2kool4yall 2 years ago
I doesn't sound ugly to me.
It is just like neanderpaul said. It is actually kind of uplifting to sing it together even if sometimes you aren't on key or you sing in a simple way. It is the spirit that guides us-- not just the joy but also the love.
Adovid 2 years ago 2
sorry to hear this. but ive been to many other churches and its nothing more than a production of powerpoints and midmorning musicals. i have been to many other churches where the preacher never opened his bible during the entire sermon. it was more like a motivational speech. yes, some have lost the joy but that doesnt mean we can turn it into our own little hollywood presentation.
flybywre 2 years ago
Lucky me I had song book in hand and sang along... Thank you for putting on youtube... I love being able to hear beautiful voices blended in worship to our God...
brighteyz66 2 years ago
love the song
tricialea2000 2 years ago
Im church of christ too :)
C23456B 2 years ago
So am I.
sdbsingle1 2 years ago
cool. message me
C23456B 2 years ago
belle & farrel church of christ rocks!
im181992 2 years ago
We ought to be careful when we claim to speak where the bible speaks and are silent where the word is silent. Most of us worship in buildings designed for congregational worship. There is no direct authorization to do so. We do so for expediacy and efficiency's sake. A building...an instrument..a fellowship hall..bible classes are tools by which we attempt to complete His commandment...go ye therefore...
cojute06 2 years ago
Beautiful! This was my grandfathers favorite. He always requested this song.
theheisers2000 2 years ago 4
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Dead Religion!
holinesspentecostal 2 years ago
dead indeed these people need to wake up and understand and remember the hold up in waco texas when those people who workship this same dam foolish god help them god help them.
RHAMES1234 2 years ago
there is no religion we only praise christ
Jzxcv89 2 years ago 2
What is the Bible referring to when it speaks of "pure religion and undefiled before God is......"?
holinesspentecostal 2 years ago
this is like our church i go to cockrell hill church of Christ. we do it like this
Lush246 2 years ago
How beautiful it is seeing gods message spread through out the world through song. Im a minister at a church of christ i would love to come preach there just to hear the singing. ephes 5:19
mbb4546 2 years ago
I'm in the Reformed Presbyterian Church, and we're vocal-only, too. We understand Scripture's teaching on this exactly the same as you. We do, however, believe that God has not commanded man-made hymns, so we sing only the Psalms set to music. Anyway, this sure sounds nice!
covvie 2 years ago
I'm from the RP Church as well! The first time I visited the church, I thought "Man, they must be really poor. They can't even afford an organ" LOL We moved to a city without an RP church, and I miss singing the psalms a capella. I love storing up God's Word in your heart, and the freedom of singing without instruments.
There are many beautiful praise songs, but very few have the depth of the psalms. Modern songs are so repetitive, and watered down; they can't compare to the meat of God's Word.
CurrentFixation 2 years ago 6
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christianity will fall soon, bow down now before our beautiful lord satan. satan brings nothing but kindness and you stupid no good fucks ruin it all and give everything a bad name. hail satan, lucifer, belial, legion. go fuck yourselves, all of you, i spit on you
bighairyfuckingnuts 3 years ago
now i know you're a satanist
spartan08021 3 years ago
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Well it not to hard to figure church of christ works they only quote from the bible with no real knowledge of any verse.
RHAMES1234 2 years ago
You're right that we don't focus on any one verse and exclude others. Any scholar of the Bible needs to understand any passage or verse in its entire context. Not simply study one verse and try to exclude the rest. A thorough understanding of the WHOLE Bible is necessary to know what God requires of us and if we chose to restrain ourselves and base our worship on any one verse then we aren't fully completing the will of God. Please think before you make baseless, uninformed assumptions.
LegoMage 2 years ago 3
grow up, kid.
rotary57 3 years ago
Beatiful singing! I am so thrilled that I found this video as well as the others. I am currently in a situation where the nearest Church of Christ is over an hour away. As a college student I can't afford to drive that far every Sunday. Fortunately, this situation is only going to last until the end of the semester so I hope that your singing will help me get through until I am back home where there is a Church.
Thank You!
thereshegoes87 3 years ago
Amen say a prayer for me too would you when you get home.
MsAugust68 2 years ago
You are a great singing church, but don't you think it's time we put aside the "Greatest Hits of the 1800's"? As generic Christians with acapella music, we should be at the forefront of all churches in vocal music! I'm convinced the Lord himself is now tired of hearing "Zion's Call"! Brotherly Love to ya.
EyeFlyGuy 3 years ago
I have used Sacred Selections pretty much all my 22 years, but there is also a good book Hymns For Worship, that does include some of the new songs. But I do understand your comment about Zions Call, I personally am tired of singing it too. Christian Love to ya :)
lilbitz2005 3 years ago
Well thanks. We do enjoy singing praises to our father. If you'll check our other videos you'll hear the "oldies" as well as songs from the 70's, the 80's and as recent as the 1990's. I havve written 3 hymns myself that I will introduce soon.
church0fchrist 3 years ago
@church0fchrist this is a beautiful song brother. im happy to see your faith is strong. thanks for sharing this video with us. this song also sounds beautiful in spanish.
your brother in Christ,
Jesse Rodriguez
19812000JR 1 year ago
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@church0fchrist this is a beautiful song brother. im happy to see your faith is strong. thanks for sharing this video with us. this song also sounds beautiful in spanish.
your brother in Christ,
Jesse
19812000JR 1 year ago
@EyeFlyGuy Here, I'll name my favorite Hymn composer and then you name your favorite christian pop singer. Ready? Go!
BACH
I will by default!
phoobarr 1 year ago
i love this song.
it doesn't matter to the Lord how we sound though, as others put it. God doesn't care if we sound good or bad, it just needs to come from the heart :]
queenOFbands 3 years ago
In the last verse of this song you got off key... I think a piano would help
JimWiely 3 years ago
The key to that statement "help" Who would it help? Who is the worship directed to? God asked us to sing. That is what we do. He didn't ask us to play. We are still in harmony with each other even as the key drops from beginning to end.
church0fchrist 3 years ago
@church0fchrist Sorry, I accidentally clicked on the "vote down" button, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. Who are they trying to please? Does God really care if you're on key? I thought it sounded great, btw, maybe a little low, but that song has such a large range it's not easy to pitch.
tgbotg 1 year ago
the bible says sing and make melody in your heart
MrSkippy24 2 years ago 6
watching this argument is what i've always hated about some christians. they believe that worshipping one way is the correct way to do so. that is not true at all!!!! i used to attend a church of christ where some members thought (and i've even heard this said) that other churches were wrong because they lead worship differently. let different worship be led...when it comes to biblical worship...mind your own business and let others worship how they see fit. so what if it doesn't please you!!!!!
BigBoiJC 3 years ago
if it's distracting to you...move to where you won't be distracted and just worship god...that's all there is to it!
BigBoiJC 3 years ago
"let others worship how they see fit".
See, that's not how things should be...it's not up to people for how to worship God...it's up to God.
ShatteredSilence 3 years ago
exactly. if they know God has given them an instrument and a talent for it...then let them use that instrument (be it vocal or mechanical) to glorify HIM!
BigBoiJC 3 years ago
God gave Cain a talent to raise crops, but he was not pleased when Cain used that talent to worship him.
It is our duty to praise God in the way he has instructed us to do so, and to the best of our ability - whether that ability be great or small is of no consequence to God.
rotary57 3 years ago 3
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preacherbrandon 3 years ago
Relax. I prefer no instruments because the praise songs sound very pure without added music. But we all follow our own path to worship and what is right for me may not be right for others. It's only an argument if you make it one. Worship in the way God has led you.
leahroberson 3 years ago
So many miss the profundity of this argument. What did God authorize? If your doctor writes a prescription for Penicillin, then the pharmacist knows that excludes all other kinds of drugs. It does not exclude the label, the bottle. the bag to put it in. When the Lord asked us to Sing and Make Melody in our hearts it excludes all other types of music. Not excluded is the microphone, the song leader, the song book, etc. The key is: What has God authorized? (authority) Col 3:17
drpatchap 3 years ago 2
Did God give athority to use camera's or youtube for the worship service? So why is it ok to use these things and not use musical instuments?
lsufolk 3 years ago
This (youtube) is not the worship service. The camera wasn't part of the service either. The camera captured the service and youtube shared it after the worship service was over. Instruments would have been a part of the service and therefor would have been adding to the service. All youtube does is share the way the original church was setup - Singing.
church0fchrist 3 years ago 4
@church0fchrist so what you did is what the original church did, right?
2handsforchrist 1 year ago
I must say it is some beautiful singing but I cant see why is it that they are so rigid against the use of instruments. The bible and history tells us that instruments were used in worship, even in the temple worship. If instruments are not suppose to be used then microphones, song leaders, camera, youtube, etc. should not be used either, if u are going to follow the Bible.
ddankis 3 years ago
Instruments were allowed under the old testament, yet no mention of them in the new.
ShatteredSilence 3 years ago
my fellow brethren in Christ Im not in any debate with you about your beliefs. But if u were to look at church history, it wouldnt be good for the church in the new testament to use instruments seeing that they had to hide to worship for fear of their lives. however, its up to person individual preference to use instruments, I believe in the use of instruments and it is a blessing and I know that many others will agree. God bless
ddankis 3 years ago
I don't think it's a preference. God gives no authority to worship using instruments; so where the scripture is silent, so should we.
ShatteredSilence 3 years ago 3
As I said before Im not into arguing over beliefs which is not important, cause there are so many souls in this world who need to know Jesus so whether or not we use instruments is the least. God did not say we should or should not use instruments in the new testament, instruments is from the old testament. But I really have no more time to debate this, Jesus is coming and ppl need to know that. So God bless.
ddankis 3 years ago
I agree that this is not important when teaching people initially, however this is between you and I. So it is fairly important, as it deals with pleasing God. We know that it's not "once saved, always saved", so don't we always have to strive to please God?
Well he has told us how to worship, so by not doing something or doing something extra, wouldn't he be displeased? It's uncomforting to know that others may not be worshipping God correctly whether unknowingly or knowingly.
ShatteredSilence 3 years ago
Whether initially or not, its not important. You claim that God taught it that way but there is no aboslute to this. I know that the essence of woshipping God is found in Jn 4:24, to do so in Spirit and in truth, whether with music or without. As for me I use instruments and I will always do so, and I know that God is pleased with me cause He is the One who directs my life. So Im no longer into anymore debate, the essence is that Jesus Christ who is Lord is glorified...
ddankis 3 years ago
So we've established that the bible doesn't forbid it, and that it doesn't give allowance for it. Well if you read Revelation 20:18-19, it says that if you add to the book then God will add him to the plagues...
So if the Bible doesn't have scripture allowing it, yet it is done, wouldn't that be adding to the book?
ShatteredSilence 3 years ago
hello, u are really looking for some argument and Im not up for it. I believe the whole Bible to be the inspired Word of God and Psalms tells us to use instruments to praise God. David was a man after God's own heart and he used instruments, Miriam use the tambourine, etc. So I am not into the debate about using or not using. u can say what u want to say but I use it and will continue to so if that is what is going to send me to hell well so be it, cause God didnt tell me not to use them.
ddankis 3 years ago
Why aren't you up for a calm disucussion, doesn't it only increase knowledge of his word?
I get the feeling you're becoming tense.
Anyhow, an OT example can/does not procde allowance for use of instruments, as we are not under that law. We are under the new.
ShatteredSilence 3 years ago
I see the OT and the NT as the Word of God and that is what I follow. So clearly you are saying that the OT is not apart of God's word. You are clearly up for vane conversation which Paul says we should avoid, cause I dont see the nescessity for this.