@PuckettFamily Neither...the BofM copies the Bible, nearly word for word on most pages. The Bible, while sometimes talks of real historic leaders, etc. has almost ZERO proof of any of it's fables being fact.
Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?
@ExmormonFoundation i believe the Bible - i believe NOTHING concerning Mormonism. Mormonism is a counterfeit false religion. a flock of deceived... some willingly ,,,
Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?
@cindybin2001 most mormons aren't educated about the truths regarding many things about the LDS faith, particularly the formation and early history of the church. If they were they would not be a part of it.
I'm a convert to the Mormon church and I read all the anti-Mormon stuff when I was first investigating, trying to learn about the church! It was all I could find at the time. But I took time to learn the truth. I wish others would as well. The LDS church has the fulness of the gospel and will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
Right at the end, Ken Clark said, "Deception is the Common Thread."
I will add to that, "And, self-aggrandizement is the underlying 'tour de force', in it all".
EXAMPLE:
If the late Elder Paul H. Dunn hadn't had the desire to push himself up higher on that pedestal on which the gen'l membership had placed him, he wouldn't have had a sufficient motive to deceive...time-after-time, and year-after-year, as he did.
I could give example after example, to show this, but there's not enough space.
MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! FOLKS, BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD IN TO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly reccomend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION! Read the book CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?
This guy wasn't even a faithful member. When he travelled he took a vacation from church. Also, he didn't join the church for the right reason. He said he did it because "it would be fun." What makes you people think you were lied to? If you teach and you believe it then it's on you. I have never been lied to by the church. Also, you will NEVER see a TV show, book, video, etc. sponsored by the LDS church that bashes another religion.
Great video. It is shocking just how far people will go to protect their fragile beliefs when you present them with factual information supported by evidence and their only response is to put their fingers in their ears and yell their testimony louder.
@LDStothecore It is adorable that you think merely mentioning my old religion is a sign of "not moving on". Indoctrination programming is no light matter, as we can see from your categorically stupid comments. My parents are being robbed by the church even while their house is in foreclosure. I love how as soon as someone is exmormon, they automatically "didn't join for the right reasons" or "wasn't faithful". You are only hurting your cause here, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
@emperor0013 Being rude does not help your case. How are your parents being robbed? Hello, he said he joined because he thought it would be fun. Is that the right reason to join any church? NO. You have no idea what indoctrination means and if you accuse LDS of that then you must include every religion of the same, since they all teach others what they believe.
@LDStothecore Indoctrination isn't mere "teaching", as you suggest. Clearly, you are the one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word. Yes, most religions are guilty of the same thing. It is a despicable method of gaining members, and it produces the gratuitous, willing ignorance that you are displaying in your posts. You think you have never been lied to about the church? Why don't you look up "Book of Abraham" for starters and stop embarrassing yourself with misinformation.
@emperor0013 You are trying to brainwash by writing here. We let people decide on their own. No one is forced or tricked in any way. You are another of the rude antis, calling people ignorant. And the Book of Abraham is NOT a lie. Nice try. Try to come up with something better.
@LDStothecore Wow. You managed to be categorically incorrect on every single sentence you wrote there. Every one of them. That is quite an accomplishment. Again, you fail to understand what "brainwashing" actually is. This is why people are arguing with you in here. You present your absurd opinion as fact when you clearly lack education on the matter. That is called ignorance, sorry. BoA is a lie and we know this as fact. You can't dismiss it because you don't like it, or don't grasp it.
@emperor0013 I have done plenty of research over the past nearly 40 years, and I have had many experiences with the Spirit of God. I know what the truth is. I am sorry you are lost and prideful. Come on, tell me another so-called lie of the church.
@LDStothecore By "plenty of research" do you mean praying, or taking-what-the-bishop-said-as-fact? Because if you actually had done even an ounce of legitimate research, you would know that the BoA Egyptian document is not what Smith claimed it to be. Why would I present another lie when you refuse to address the first one?
Thank you for being the perfect example of Mormon defense tactics: Putting your fingers in your ears and yelling louder. Sorry, but no amount of "nuh-uh" works.
@emperor0013 I mean research, study, and prayer. What about you? You might look at fairlds for better research. You are a typical anti. Same junk time after time. You probably reject Christ since you have not seen Him. Also, there is so much evidence of the lies and deceipt of antis it is disgusting.
@LDStothecore Once again, I should thank you for proving your own incompetence. Nearly every post you show just how little you know, and what you do know is utterly biased and less than factual. Fairlds is NOT an unbiased source of information. It says "Apologetics" right on the title, you fucking moron. That means they are completely ONE-SIDED. Use mormonthink for unbiased information, where they explain exactly why we know Smith lied about the BoA. Your incompetence seems limitless.
@emperor0013 Now who is unbiased? Certainly not you. You sound like that anti-Christ Shawn McCraney. Oh, and nice language. Shows you are NO Christian. I will no longer responded to you since you are incapable of respecting others, probably not even yourself.
@LDStothecore "nice language. Shows you are NO Christian." if we are judged if we are a Christian or not by our sins then there are no Christians on the planet. That is what is so great about being a Christian, we know we have a relationship with Jesus alone and are saved. A true Christian does not base their faith on what man says but what God says. God speaks to us in many ways but the best way is through the Bible. I read it everyday and God speaks to me every time!
@emperor0013 I find it extremely comical that most of you antis get upset and angry when you are shown your lies and errors. I bet your face was red when you wrote that last response. :):):):)
@LDStothecore The last bastion of a theist's non-arguments is ad-hominem. It shows you have utterly ran out of misinformation to defend yourself with. I like the part where you have nothing to say about the fact that you are getting your "information" from an APOLOGIST website. You are the reason it should be painful to be stupid. I am not a christian, genius. I would have figured you could figure that out on your own, but you are, after all, an idiot. Thanks for the laughs.
Just how do you know what the "Lord wants"? And how does this differentiate from what all the other people out there have in their heads claiming to be from the divine as well?
Mormonism is not what it claims to be. Please watch the rest of the presentation and see just who is exhibiting "pride" and "arrogance" here. For added help, please see the Mormon run site MormonThink d o t c o m.
"How much does he get paid?" I don't know, why don't you email him and ask him? He was not paid anything from the Foundation for his talk, other than covering the expenses of airfare and hotel stay. Thanks again for stopping by. Your erudite and insightful responses are most welcome.
@ExmormonFoundation How would I go about finding out his email address? I just spent the the last hour or so reading about his experiences with the church and would sincerely like to email him to say thank you for taking the time to share it all. Everyone who is considering becoming a mormon should read about his experience and the things he encountered while teaching. Thanks!
@LDStothecore NOBODY can "handle the commandments," LDStothecore, as you say in truth. That is why God came in the flesh as Jesus to fulfill all the law and the commandments because no human can do it! That is the reason for the death on the cross when Jesus, God in the flesh said; "IT IS DONE." LDS does NOT afree that IT IS DONE. Your following commandments will get you nowhere. Salvation, eternal life is a free gift of love from God. We obey Him as a result of our love for Him & what He did.
This guy had nothing to gain by leaving the Mormon church and everything to lose. Your comments are a disgusting example of cult programming. Those who leave a cult are demonized by the followers in effort to protect the believers. Thanks for clearly demonstrating that Mormonism is a cult with your common cult response.
@beaufordslyone Hello. How much is he getting paid to bash the LDS church? Like Sandra Tanner, her livelihood is off of bashing the LDS church. Also, no cult, no programming. If I were to leave any church, I wouldn't seek to destroy it like you people to. You need a life.
You extoll the virtues of what great things man has done. Yes, we have come a long way. But you would have to be in major denial not to recognize that "Man" is the worst thing that ever happened to this earth, and continues to be. Well, clearly your life is full of joy and happiness. Just keep spreading the word! Good luck.
Notwithstanding your sad, black & white & might I say dismally Christian attitude regarding humanity, Mormonism is still not what it claims to be. Please remember the following when touting the "truth" of Mormon claims, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Please continue to research. Mormonism is not in any way what it claims to be as the evidence against its claims is simply overwhelming. Have the courage to question and research to see just who is telling the truth.
You my friend are deceived at best and a liar at worst. We are at the beginning of the end for the LDS church. The Mormon church is hemorrhaging members as we speak. Your explanations of "anti-Mormon claims" are so ridiculous that they provided enough fodder to power a Broadway play to land it the #1 play in years. As a former missionary, it's embarrassing to watch my former community mocked because of the ignorance you spew.
@beaufordslyone I am neither deceived nor a liar. The LDS church will be around always. You are an apostate. Ask me any question. My question to you is how did you go from knowing the church is true (if you ever did) to hating it?
You may think that the LDS church will be around always. The growth rate of the Mormon church in the United States is now lower than the growth rate of the population. The Mormon church has watched it's growth drop from about 5.5% (1990) per year to less than 2.5% (2010) per year. In the US, the current growth rate is less than 1%. A church that purposely distorts its history to their membership cannot be sustained in the Internet age.
What I always wonder is where is the x-catholic web site or the x-baptist web site. Why is it that if someone leaves the church, they feel the need to "educate" others about why it is wrong. Just go away. We might miss you, and certainly wish you well, but go do something productive with your time. Volunteer at a soup kitchen or get involved in building up rather than tearing down.
Mormonism is a fraud & a farce, & as former members of said fraud we feel it our duty to spread a notion of "caveat emptor" regarding Joseph's Myth here on Youtube. And yes there are other former cultists websites & YouTube pages everywhere. I guess those folks can "leave their cult & not leave it alone" too right?
You have been duped into believing the absurd. Please visit the Mormon run site, MormonThink d o t c o m to to find out how & why. All the best in your studies!
@ExmormonFoundation Well, I am no lawyer, but as I understand caveat emptor, it deals with purchase and sale of goods, not belief systems and hurt feelings. I am sorry that you have been so hurt. Perhaps as I suggested, you could turn your efforts towards building up rather than tearing down. I have never seen any good come from trying to destroy. I do wish you the best.
As far as being duped, well, perhaps but it brings me joy.
Mormonism is indeed sold; sold door to door & through various media outlets as the very truth of reality. As Mormonism is deceptive in presenting itself factually, it is our prerogative to inform others that the Mormon product is far from factual in its presentation & deserves our contempt & warning to others. There is great joy outside of the delusion of Mormonism in understanding things as they are not as we falsely hope them to be. Why must you lie to yourself to keep the true church true?
@ExmormonFoundation Well, given your very loose interpretation, ANYTHING you hear is technically being "sold" but thats not really the point is it. It sounds like you have had your feelings hurt and have to get it out somehow. For me, if the anger you are showing towards me is indicative of the "happiness" that comes from leaving the church, well, thats a tough sell in itself.
Still playing the persecution card eh? The bottom line oh defender of nonsense is that you are defending an absurd fraud. There are no Lamanites, Nephites, Adam & Eve, peepstones & Kolob. You have been had & are now here defending a group which was started by a guy with his face in his hat staring at a rock. Unfortunately for the Mormon, questioning & challenging their claims is always counted as "angry" & employed as a thought stopping technique, bolstered by confirmation bias. Please Think.
p.s. Paying 10% of one's income, fast offerings, temple fund, perpetual education fund, welfare projects, free labor in cleaning & maintaining temples & chapels & other free labor disguised as callings and "missionary" efforts etc. is all one very large payment which is required for the shoddy goods sold to the Mormon consumer. Not to mention building a 3+ billion dollar mall in downtown Salt Lake City. You are in a corporation which requires your money, mind & free labor. Caveat emptor indeed!
@ExmormonFoundation Clearly you are too angry and close-minded. Your replies are full of anger and accusation desperate to prove your point. I feel sorry for you. It must be frustrating to be so powerless. Again let me suggest that you change your environment by changing your focus. I think what you have been misled on is thinking that somehow you are owed something or that doing good things makes you a dupe.
Yes, clearly your Mormon mind reading abilities are well honed. You too are defending an organization started by a guy with his face in his hat staring at a rock. I wish you the best of luck with that. :)
"I think what you have been misled on is thinking that somehow you are owed something" yes, we are owed the truth, but apparently such is not really important to Mormons as long as the warm fuzzy & lack of critical thinking can be maintained. Please remember to avoid thinking, questioning & challenging your world view at all costs. Nothing is more displeasing to the Mormon god than those who dare question & expose the nonsense it proffers the world. Carry on oh defender, carry on!
Respond to this video... God gives you everything, you owe him. Call him what you will, worship him how you will, but spread more love and less hate. You want to rage against a corrupt machine, turn you anger towards our government.
Rage? What is it with you Mormons and projecting? We owe nothing to any god. We owe everything to each other. It is we mere humans who have built, bled, sacrificed, developed, studied, struggled, failed and triumphed throughout our two million+ year existence as a species. Your position regarding a god is unfounded and unsupportable beyond the imaginings of your own mind. Our world is ours to make or break, no deference to a cosmic terrorist is necessary for that success or failure.
When I was a Mormon at the MTC, one of the Apostles spoke one night told us that if we didn't have a testimony to go ahead and say we did anyway, that "the truth will come in the telling." I call this brainwashing. And lying. Only cults act this way.
are you serious with this false BS video?? ha! you guys are a joke.. satan is working thru each and everyone of you who believes in this.. dare sum1 to say sumthing! ill be more than willing to prove you wrong!
Wonderful! we welcome any opportunity to be shown where we are wrong so that corrections can be made. To help you out in your endeavor, you can go to the Mormon run site MormonThink d o t c o m and find the information in Ken's presentation under the "Lying for the Lord" section. Good luck in your quest, and please come back with updates on your progress.
for what I see this guy is very good in pretending something he is not, in living a life he doesn't like, in worshiping in a way he doesn't believe it's true. As a Bishop he lied to hundreds of people for years...and he was very good at lying. And he still is....
Thanks for stopping by. Would you mind listing the "lies" that are in Ken's presentation? Obviously you have factual information which counters those issues raised by Ken, right? You wouldn't be lying now would you? Unlike the Mormon Church, we are interested in truth, and would appreciate any factual information you do have which would show where Ken has lied in the presenting of the information in this presentation. Thanks for your help regarding this. All the best! -EMF
"A reluctance to accept the importance of reason is easy to explain. To ignore reason is to avoid a sense of personal responsibility, which makes it easy to explain everything that you see in terms of the tenets of your 'faith', be it religious, political or economic in origin."
Moron-ites, Nehi-ites, Lemon-ites, Lamalama-ding-dongs, Pink Elephants and 10,000 pounds of thick hard gold plates that somebody engraved into with a twig. Sure, it all sounds so believeable! What's not to believe about the Book of Morons?
Well, you have to consider the fact that God made it impossible for us to have ALL the answers or there would be no point of being tested on this earth. I feel really strongly that The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the true church. Nobody or writing is going to change how I have felt or what I know to be true. You shouldn't have let it get to you. I really don't like to argue about religion especially since this conversation is not going anywhere.
It's very simple. The EVIDENCE shows Mormon claims are not real. There were no Nephites, Lamanites, Global Floods or Adam and Eve. Smith's lies are all well documented & the evidence against his claims is simply overwhelming.
It is not a matter of arguing. Your position is simply unsupportable. You have nothing to support your claims other than your own desire to believe. How does this make something "true" despite the evidence which shows such a claim to be impossible? Research.
@fws91 The Exmormon Foundation is a Board with six members. We all have our own beliefs. What difference does it make to you what we "believe" about the literal interpretation of the Bible? We, the Board, exist to show the lies of Mormonism. Our private lives do not matter in the least.
@ExmormonFoundation Thank you but next time don't be so rude in answering next time. I cared to know what you believed if you didn't want me to know you could have said so. You are not going help people see the truth if you disrespect them like you did me.
@fws91 I'm sorry, I didn't not mean to be rude. I was pointing out that we are not "one person". Our "faith" or lack thereof does not have anything to do with exposing Mormonisms lies. That was all I meant to say. Just being factual. I'm assuming by your offense that you were hoping we were promoting Christianity?
@dirkadirkabro lol i hope your saying that jokingly. You can attempt to attack biblical christianity but me and other followers will faithfully defend it. I believe salvation is a free gift and isn;t earned. you get it by admitting you are a sinner, accepting Jesus' death on the cross for your sins and believing He rose from the dead and inviting Him into your life. If you say that to God and mean it you will be saved. Simple as that, no catch.
@fws91 On the first day, the Flying Spaghetti Monster separated the water from the heavens; on the second, because He could not tread water for long and had grown tired of flying, He created the land—complemented by a beer volcano......may you be touched by his noodly appendage my friend
It's not about a feeling it is about the truth. If the truth is there is a God someone's feeling that there isn't going to change the truth no matter the feeling. Praying for you to seek the truth. God's Peace.
I found christ logicaly and using reason, to follow him. Mormonism is asking without logic and using unsequre feeling that can be faked by satan to find out truth, no that not logical. I know what im doing right because following christ is logical. and i found him logicaly and with reason.
Amen. Logically you have to look at the Truth. If it isn't truth, it's a big fat lie. PTL that you found Christ. I was lost and now I see. So grateful to Jesus for showing me the errors of Mormonism.
God gave us mind to use. i had feeling that i couldent blindly follow anything without finding out my self that its truth, i also used prayer to find out as well after studying it wasen't that deep but with prayer even though it very weak agrument for existance of god. it proves to me that im right. I find that all time i was praying about BOM it didn't work, i at one stage saw light inside my eyeball under my eyelid and thought that was something, they saying stuff -cont-
-cont- stuff that it must be true due to what good it bring into my life, however this was lie. this was sugar coated stuff that trying to explain feeling they get to prove to them self it true. also as i quote "if we wrong [Mormons] god will forgive us" this was from mormon. however God cant forgive you for not belieaving in Jesus, as Mormon Jesus not equal Bible Jesus, Brother satan to opposed as creator of everything
feelings mean nothing when they go against the truth. I can't change the way you feel. If you felt that you comments mean nothing then why did you type them. If you truly believe what you do why wouldn't you shout it out. If you truly believe what you do why don't you research it and look into these things yourself rather than just go off a feeling.
continue... I can say the sky is green, and truly believe it to be so. That doesn't make it so. Truth will always stand the test of time, that is why it sets you free.
I'm praying for you.. and by the way.. He is not the "mormons" God only. He is everybody's God. You really would be much happier if you looked for reasons why the church is true rather than why the church is fake. :) because it is true. i hope you can remember that because I'm sure you knew it at one point.
So what you're advocating is ignoring all of the evidence which shows Mormon claims to be absurd and fraudulent just so you can continue to believe in the fairytale? Is that how "truth" works for you? If Mormonism was real and true, it would be self evident and the evidence would support those claims. Mormonism is not real, it never has been. It has always been a con from the very beginning.
Please visit the Mormon run site MormonThink d o t c o m to aid you in your studies.
@5411436 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, blood atonment and death oaths. If Mormon forefathers testimonies can't be trusted what makes you think yours can be trusted, what makes you better then Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?
It is known that the Nag Hammadi library was concealed in the 4th century AC, which coincides with the Council of Nicaea's proclamation of the unity of the faith and officialisation of the doctrine. Any deviation was then deemed to be heretical. In reaction to the standardisation of the religion, the texts were obviously hidden and protected until such time as they could be safely brought back to the surface. No-one could have imagined that they would remain buried for 1,600 years!
you know some ancient gnostic texts and the nag hamadi speak of the god known as Yahweh or Allah, Jehovah (the god of this universe) as an evil and wicked god who imprisons or traps us all here and that the serpent or Satan is actually our liberator, true friend and ally of mankind we were supposed to "gather the light" "become pure beings of light" or "liberate our selves from the material world"
@schizoidchimp the Yazidin? no im talking about gnosticism the nag hammadi was unearthed near egypt and tells a wild version of the book of Moses and it turns it on its head and makes the religion that Christians inherited seem like a Disney cartoon.
@92451721921892113 well seeing that all religion pretty much is that, incorporating existing beliefs in a way that suits a certain people, clergy, whatever, it's not much of a surprise. A lot of saints and demons are deities that a certain religious group incorporates or antagonizes. I'll read up on the nag hammadi, thank you for sharing this.
@schizoidchimp The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of thirteen ancient codices containing over fifty texts, was discovered in upper Egypt in 1945. This immensely important discovery includes a large number of primary Gnostic scriptures -- texts once thought to have been entirely destroyed during the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy"
@92451721921892113 Nag Hammdi Library is an end run by GOD against the wicked who sought to deny men teachings which threatened their power which was based on false doctrines..The Dead Sea Scrolls were another gift by GOD and there is more coming.
@92451721921892113 Yeah God allowed copies of ancient manuscripts and books to survive the purge of the wicked so that the many things that were once in the Early Churches could again be given to men on the earth.
@92451721921892113 Yeah God allowed copies of ancient manuscripts and books to survive the purge of the wicked so that the many things that were once in the Early Churches could again be given to men on the earth. That is why our day...was prophesied and "Called the times of restitution of all things"
You know, when your own religion mandates that you're supposed to lie about it to make it look good, chances are it was founded as an elaborate scam rather than some folklore cultural thing.
Kackyful...Is this what you meant? Matthew 12:7 0 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless
@Mrbertbert10 Hording too much wealth for yourself, the word is selfish is what is a curse. Loads of money is wonderful; it enables a person to give real help where it is needed. May god smite me with wealth.
@Jeanikins You have been deceived a curse has been sent on the world when men decided it was okay for a man to have excess of wealth over his brother. There will always be the rich and the poor as long as the people keep this injustice. Economic problems, plagues and famines are going to be sent time to time. For example in Ancient Rome the rich who had their wine stored and because they used lead seals...were being poisoned by lead which would explain the actions of their leaders
@Mrbertbert10 "Too much wealth is more a curse than a blessing" - only someone who has never experienced real poverty would say this. If it's such a curse, they would donate it. Someone shouldn't be pitied for such an easily removable "curse."
@BenkaiDebussy Spiritual law determines when a person is blessed or cursed. IF the Lord is truly a shepherd of a person...I shall not want, He maketh me to lies in green pastures (prosperity), He leadeth me besides still waters (peace), He restoreth my soul etc. for further promises read Psalms 23
It shall be done to men whether they are on the earth or in heaven according to their faith. And this is justice. No matter where one start from, he holds his own destiny in his hands.
General Authorities also preside over the Financial aspect of the Church many, many businesses. They also oversee the Spiritual aspect of the church.
The General Authorities whether they formally seat on boards etc or not oversee all business of the Church. The Church is extremely wealthy and if it were run by bankers their salaries would begin at least at 500,000 not counting bonuses. This is another reason why the church is wealthy. They are not paid for Spiritual work.
once u[on a time, there was thuinder, it was loud and sacrey and ppl didnt know where it came from. so they invented thor the god of thunder, which provided and explanation and quelled the fears of primitive superstitious ppl who couldnt otherwise explain it
No,,,,the God of thunder known as Thor is also the same demon... as he was known anciently BAAL. HE is the demon who revived his worship from different civilization.
I do not get one step closer to heaven if you believe me or not. It is not my Gospel nor my kingdom.
@Mrbertbert10 its not your gospel, your, kingdom, or anybodyes truth. it is a swindle for ppl longing for emotional support ,acceptance/refuge, and understanding. but there is not understanding in the lies you speak. just indoctrination/enslavement, fundamentalism and intellectual, suicide. i'll serach heaven on mapquest. when you can defend a singe claim , let me know. reality awaits
This is a false for true disciples of God. We are cast out even from our own churches as even Jesus and the disciples were cast out of Synogogues. And later the envoys of Paul were also cast out from certain churches.
Jesus said for these...they would have foes even in their own household. The law is...The World shall hate the true disciples of Christ as it has hated Him. Darkness fears and hates those of the Light.
This is a false for true disciples of God. We are cast out even from our own churches as even Jesus and the disciples were cast out of Synagogues. And later the envoys of Paul were also cast out from certain churches.
Jesus said for these...they would have foes even in their own household. The law is...The World shall hate the true disciples of Christ as it has hated Him. Darkness fears and hates those of the Light.
the truth of reality, does not require blind belief or coersed acceptance under threat of eternal torture. it requires, neither self deception , nor anti human self loathing, it is not divisive and does not provide you with enemies such as heathens,goyim,or infidels, nor the philosophy by which to hate them
@honeyonbread Well here is where we see the mental illness showing. Believing in a God you "fear" is your problem. No wonder so many Christians are abusive to their children. They think their God is the same way.
"Prosper over" Meaning the Church has money to help those in need. I have read many a times of people asking for money on blessing and needs boards. Because of rules such as they could only ask for help once or twice. I guess it depends on which church one belonged to.
As for lying....Like I said...one has to first know what is true and then say the opposite of it. That is lying.
Only the Elect is not deceived. All others are the blind leading the blind.
This stuff is not hard people. LDS are not deceivers. How could their church prosper over Christian churches, if they were deceivers and liars?
Lying is knowing the truth by the Spirit of Truth and then give the opposite of it. Who here has been given the Spirit of Judgment to say who is lying and who is not?
The answer is easy....None here has been given the Spirit of Judgment to say who is lying and who is not.
Common sense ? this is of the world and has nothing to do with the Spiritual.
'How could their church prosper over Christian churches, if they were deceivers and liars?' ... Which other Christian Churches? Jehovah's Witness? Catholic? ? Begs the question What is meant by 'prosper over'.
You're so right! I remember those blessed words so well from the many Sunday school lessons I had over the years, "Yea verily, go forth and construct multi-billion dollar malls. Purchase hunting lodges, large land holdings and hotels. Vest thyself in business where ever thou goest and see that no taxes are paid while foisting thy political whims upon others." How could anyone ever doubt the veracity of Mormonism? If only people were more "spiritual" then they would see!! Uh huh.
Money must be put to work. A mall is an investment that keeps on giving.
The fruit of any doctrines brings either blessings or cursing resulting in wrath. The fruits cannot lie.
Christian Nations are all losing the blessings of GOD concerning prosperity. This latest recession has their Economies worse and pushed many to the brink of defaulting on their debt.-much worse is on the way. This is wrath and This is truth. Whatever it is you guys are teaching is not working
Hmmm, what about that call of your savior to "sell all that thou hast and give unto the poor" or a rich man has about as much chance of getting into heaven as a camel through the eye of a needle. I don't recall Jesus preaching that one must be rich or "put money to work." Your "religion" is all about money. That's all it has ever been about, well that and getting Smith laid.
Mormonism is not what it claims to be. It is a fraud and a farce which has been coning folks since 1830. Good luck!
@Mrbertbert10 lmao more lies for the lord. look up "Military Association Of Atheists And Freethinkers". you sit here trying to talk about "truth". you arent concerned with truth, youre only concerned with telling lies to bolster your silly beliefs. you just said, "The saying is true. There are no atheists in foxholes". so you believe in an imaginary sky fairy, and you deny the existence soldiers who are atheists. the term "lying for the lord" , perfectly describes what you just did.
Actually I am working hard at listening to what I should say. No I am not too concerned with the truth of man which is all illusions and turns to dust. Point in case...the Economies of the world. I do not go from one faddish worldly philosophy as they crop up either. The LDS do not need today's scientists to tell that there is live on other worlds. We know it. We have know this since the 1830's. The WOW is another example of good fruits given to us by God.
@Mrbertbert10 the truth of man is the only truth a man can know. youre choosing man made myths over critical analysis in an observable reality that is definitively true. though it doesnt promise eternal bliss, this is the only life you may ever know. how do the dead know eternal torture without functioning brains? how do the dead feel pain with neither brains, nor physical bodies? you can use what you know about reality, to quell that superstitious nonsense.
@Mrbertbert10 you cn call anything a fruit give by any god but 900 hundred years earlier, non mormons theorized life on other planets. 500 years later those who wouldnt give birth to mormonism for another 300 years, were still thinking the world was flat. mormonism claims that blacks were curse with drown skin by a god but we know that blacks were the first human beings to set foot on earth. what planet do living beings reside on? youve known it for 200 years so its an easy question
@Mrbertbert10 when u came here and replied to my comment, the first thing you typed was someone else's lie. you have forgone a discovery of reality through your own eyes. sacrificing that for someone else's lies, manipulation, bigotry and superstition. in your first few words, you proved that you were neither an authority on truth, nor concerned with it. i am a critical thinker.therefore there isnt a single claim that you can make unchallenged , if its basis is in superstition and blind belief
@Mrbertbert10 the last thing i say to you is a simple request for you to think about everything you KNOW to be true. not those fanastic things that you were told, and threatened "to believe blindly"! but things that dont require blind belief or "faith'. none of the things you know to be true require faith. why because the truth is demonstrative. none of those claims about gods are demonstrative. all of them require blind belief. when does a lie become the truth? when you believe it.
executionerofGOD. - Truth is demonstrative and they who have the truth - have have the power of God in their lives. Their prayers are heard and answered.
My life was spared twice by the still small voice.. I was also given a disease and when I learned obedience God removed it. That is power over the world woes. Truth is power to overcome the world. That is how one can know if he has truth or not. Worldly truth is illusion. Not too long ago it was taught the earth was flat.
@Mrbertbert10 "I was also given a disease and when I learned obedience God removed it." soyou got a note saying "your disease had been removed by god?" all all the plausible explanations for a disease being cured, the best you can come up with one thats fantastically credulous. disease is cured everyday by doctors, some diseased can go away by themselves. since you dont know how the disease is no longer with you, you determine that is must be a god. thats primitive superstition.
@Mrbertbert10 thats not power over anything. your life was spared? youve become so dependent on these fairytales that you use them to answer every question. your ignorance is not proof of a god. you have a primitive childlike worldview. and in your gullibility and desire for understanding , have been taken in and swindled by utter nonsense. with everything you say, i see, that youre disconnected from truth and reality. yours is a fairytale world with demons & wizards & gods.
@Mrbertbert10 you have already proven that youre no authority on truth. truth is not power to overcome the world. everything is fairytale nonsense with you." your magical god healed you".your "truth" is the power to overcome the gullible. until you learn to think for yourself, you will always be a puppet, slave to a man pretending to speak for a god. but you wouldnt have it any other way. you will never truly grasp reality until youre deprogrammed.so far, nothing youve said has been true.
@Mrbertbert10 not too long ago it was taught the earth is flat. taught by your ancestors. mine studied astronomy in the 9th century. not too long ago it was taught that black skin is a curse. this was nonsense used to justify slavery, and iyt was used against native americans, to justify genocide. the only truth you will ever know is worldy truth. those mormon lies dont come from elohim. elohim doesnt exist. just mormon charlatans. worldy truth says gravity kills. you believe nonsense
Personal wealth and the Store House of the Lord are two different things. Is for gaining and the other is for giving.
The earth resources are given equally to all the Children of GOD. The rich create inequalities and shortages. They live luxurious lives while others are in want around them. .They misuse the Wealth of the Lord for their own pleasure. They shorn the sheep and live of the sweat of others. Damnation awaits all the rich who do not make the poor their priority
My you have an interesting way of ignoring your scripture and making up your own justifications, especially for the "true church." Mormonism or shall I say, religion has trained you well. Mormon Inc. is constructing a THREE BILLION DOLLAR MALL. And add to that, where is the help for the poor and needy in the construction and selling of million dollar condos in SLC?
Mormon Inc. was established for money, power and getting Smith's wick dipped as often as possible. Nothing more.
The only true Scriptures is the voice of GOD within. This is the actual WORD OF GOD. The profits of that Mall will further increase the Storehouse of the Lord. The Catholic leaders are catching up..as it is trying to liquify its assets so that it can invest and get a return.
They who do not increase their talent shall lose it and it shall be given to the profitable servant. The Store House of the Lord shall prosper even in a recession. Judge ye by the fruits.
Sir you are quite delusional in your thinking or shall I say lack thereof. Your beliefs make reason stare. Please for the sake of your own sanity and that of human progress, investigate the claims of your religion. Your gullibility serves your masters well.
For your sake and that of your children (should you be fortunate enough to reproduce), RESEARCH!!
All the best in your continued studies. And may you begin to view the world in the shades of reality in which we ALL live.
@ExmormonFoundation Amen to that. its been a while since i had an exchange with a mormon. there has never been any that i could reach. makes me wonder how ppl ever break away.. happy holidays Ex-mo. Glad youre still goin strong.
Amen to that. - You cannot reach them that have a true testimony of Jesus..which such testimony only comes from the Spirit of prophecy.
As people get more Spiritual they begin to see why GOD regards the Wisdom of the World as "Foolishness". To prove it to us...He will let mankind take it to the brink of destruction. Conversely men see the wisdom of GOD as foolishness. A clear line is being drawn separating both groups.
Delusional? Reason says it is impossible to walk on water or that all the dead shall one day rise. In your reality life is bleak without the hope where all things are possible with GOD.
@Mrbertbert10 you were told to believe that. in his reality and mine, life is beautiful, fulfilling, and full of discovery. there is only one truth: ours, it doesnt require a rejection of reality or deference to a charlatan. we dont have to pay to be human. see, someone shouldve told you that no one can give your life meaning. only you can. the meaning of life, is not some one size fits all poem. its to be found in living it
In this reality life is beautiful and fulfilling when it is upheld by Spiritual joy and happiness. The fake joy and happiness that comes from gratifying senses always end up disappointing in the end. So people seek to go into more and more excesses to receive the same high. Excesses of the rich and the shameless are revealed for all when one dies from a overdose. One does not even have to die if it is exceedingly over the line.
That's because those things never happened. Let me ask you this, do you take the tales of Zeus to be true? Why not? Millions believed him to their god just as much as you believe Mormon Inc. to be charitable organization instead of the organized crime that it truly is. It is a fraud, a farce a nonsensical absurdity to actually believe in the claims of Mormonism. Just pause & consider, there truly was a global flood? Really? Adam & Eve too? Really? The evidence says otherwise, no magic required.
Odin, Zeus, Roman Gods etc have the same theme. A higher order of beings endowed with incredible powers...with the weaknesses and passions of men.
Devils inspired these beliefs to fill the Spiritual void and emptiness of men so that they do not seek for the true God. Spiritual law: "people who see evil in others and things are filling themselves up with darkness". With time anger and hate do increase. En-light-ened people share their belief of God and love with others.
Hmmm, "endowed with incredible powers...with the weaknesses and passions of men." I believe you'll recall that such is also attributed to the story of Jesus. Jesus is yet another co-opted myth just as those that proceeded it, the difference is that you have deluded yourself into believing that your myth is actually real, while the others are just evil, wrong and of course mythology right?
It's nice to know that I'm conversing with an "En-light-ened" person. Please research.
EXMOF - continuation from endowed with increadible powers..for myself what is real and remains will come from the Spirit. So there are two types of men...the Natural man who have nothing to do with the Spiritual and there is the Spiritual man meaning one who is filled with the Spirit of GOD.
Normally it is only when one's world and belief system is gone that people those with the most hardened hearts will search for God.
EXMOF - continuation from endowed with increadible powers..for myself what is real and remains will come from the Spirit. So there are two types of men...the Natural man who have nothing to do with the Spiritual and there is the Spiritual man meaning one who is filled with the Spirit of GOD.
Normally it is only when one's world and belief system is turned upside down, that people those with the most hardened hearts will search for God.
Sir, your delusion is complete. Your "spirit" has not testified of anything, least of all the truth regarding the veracity of Mormonism. Your duck and weave into the world of the metaphysical as a ploy of defense when the evidence is against you is nothing more than bearing testimony, and testimony bearing is the last bastion of the fanatic, not one interested in the notion of reason, truth or even reality. Mormonism is simply not true. It never has been and never will be.
Saying something is not true does make it reality. The LDS is as true as Ancient Israel was. They have paralleled their their history. The Hordes of Hell and their minions here on the earth were frustrated in their design to destroy the LDS and this is fact. and not mere opinions. The Mobs and the militia not even the wicked governor who endorsed even the minions inspired by Satan who signed the Extermination order were frustrated and this is fact.
@Mrbertbert10 "The Hordes of Hell and their minions here on the earth". "The Mobs and the militia not even the wicked governor who endorsed even the minions inspired by Satan who signed the Extermination order were frustrated and this is fact.". Come on, who are you really? Brigham Young? Do you practice blood atonement too? Do you know how unintelligent you sound? Probably not. Who the heck uses minions and hordes of hell anymore? Only someone who has read the Journal of Discourses.
"Saying something is not true does (not) make it reality " How ironic. The difference between us oh defender is that the evidence has and continues to soundly defeat Mormon claims. You've lost before you even got to the staring line, but unfortunately you don't even know it. I would suggest you research and support Mormon claims with actual evidence, but you've got a testimony so why bother right?
if you had to pick between the BoM or the Bible..?? what would you prefer?
PuckettFamily 4 weeks ago
@PuckettFamily Neither...the BofM copies the Bible, nearly word for word on most pages. The Bible, while sometimes talks of real historic leaders, etc. has almost ZERO proof of any of it's fables being fact.
ExmormonFoundation 4 weeks ago 4
Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?
PuckettFamily 1 month ago
@PuckettFamily Why do you believe in made up fiction? Why, why, why?
ExmormonFoundation 1 month ago
@ExmormonFoundation i believe the Bible - i believe NOTHING concerning Mormonism. Mormonism is a counterfeit false religion. a flock of deceived... some willingly ,,,
PuckettFamily 1 month ago
@PuckettFamily Feel free to believe, Puckett. Your mind is your own and you can believe in any dogma you choose.
ExmormonFoundation 1 month ago
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Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?
PuckettFamily 1 month ago
I've been a Mormon for over 30 years and I have never seen any of the things he's talking about.
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@cindybin2001 most mormons aren't educated about the truths regarding many things about the LDS faith, particularly the formation and early history of the church. If they were they would not be a part of it.
1overthehillsfaraway 1 day ago
I'm a convert to the Mormon church and I read all the anti-Mormon stuff when I was first investigating, trying to learn about the church! It was all I could find at the time. But I took time to learn the truth. I wish others would as well. The LDS church has the fulness of the gospel and will bring you closer to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church!
cindybin2001 1 month ago
@xanthoxylaceae See you there, friend!
ExmormonFoundation 1 month ago
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vanoopsalot 1 month ago
Right at the end, Ken Clark said, "Deception is the Common Thread."
I will add to that, "And, self-aggrandizement is the underlying 'tour de force', in it all".
EXAMPLE:
If the late Elder Paul H. Dunn hadn't had the desire to push himself up higher on that pedestal on which the gen'l membership had placed him, he wouldn't have had a sufficient motive to deceive...time-after-time, and year-after-year, as he did.
I could give example after example, to show this, but there's not enough space.
orlovna2 1 month ago
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MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! FOLKS, BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD IN TO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly reccomend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION! Read the book CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?
certainlytruthful 2 months ago
So sad. LDS to the core is so lost.
charlesrichardcarter 2 months ago
This guy wasn't even a faithful member. When he travelled he took a vacation from church. Also, he didn't join the church for the right reason. He said he did it because "it would be fun." What makes you people think you were lied to? If you teach and you believe it then it's on you. I have never been lied to by the church. Also, you will NEVER see a TV show, book, video, etc. sponsored by the LDS church that bashes another religion.
LDStothecore 3 months ago
what's up with the audio here? is it just my computer?
noahspliff 3 months ago
Great video. It is shocking just how far people will go to protect their fragile beliefs when you present them with factual information supported by evidence and their only response is to put their fingers in their ears and yell their testimony louder.
emperor0013 3 months ago
@emperor0013 What's shocking is how some people leave a church and cannot move on.
LDStothecore 3 months ago
@LDStothecore It is adorable that you think merely mentioning my old religion is a sign of "not moving on". Indoctrination programming is no light matter, as we can see from your categorically stupid comments. My parents are being robbed by the church even while their house is in foreclosure. I love how as soon as someone is exmormon, they automatically "didn't join for the right reasons" or "wasn't faithful". You are only hurting your cause here, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
emperor0013 3 months ago
@emperor0013 Being rude does not help your case. How are your parents being robbed? Hello, he said he joined because he thought it would be fun. Is that the right reason to join any church? NO. You have no idea what indoctrination means and if you accuse LDS of that then you must include every religion of the same, since they all teach others what they believe.
LDStothecore 2 months ago
@LDStothecore Indoctrination isn't mere "teaching", as you suggest. Clearly, you are the one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word. Yes, most religions are guilty of the same thing. It is a despicable method of gaining members, and it produces the gratuitous, willing ignorance that you are displaying in your posts. You think you have never been lied to about the church? Why don't you look up "Book of Abraham" for starters and stop embarrassing yourself with misinformation.
emperor0013 2 months ago
@emperor0013 You are trying to brainwash by writing here. We let people decide on their own. No one is forced or tricked in any way. You are another of the rude antis, calling people ignorant. And the Book of Abraham is NOT a lie. Nice try. Try to come up with something better.
LDStothecore 2 months ago
@LDStothecore Wow. You managed to be categorically incorrect on every single sentence you wrote there. Every one of them. That is quite an accomplishment. Again, you fail to understand what "brainwashing" actually is. This is why people are arguing with you in here. You present your absurd opinion as fact when you clearly lack education on the matter. That is called ignorance, sorry. BoA is a lie and we know this as fact. You can't dismiss it because you don't like it, or don't grasp it.
emperor0013 2 months ago
@emperor0013 I have done plenty of research over the past nearly 40 years, and I have had many experiences with the Spirit of God. I know what the truth is. I am sorry you are lost and prideful. Come on, tell me another so-called lie of the church.
LDStothecore 2 months ago
@LDStothecore By "plenty of research" do you mean praying, or taking-what-the-bishop-said-as-fact? Because if you actually had done even an ounce of legitimate research, you would know that the BoA Egyptian document is not what Smith claimed it to be. Why would I present another lie when you refuse to address the first one?
Thank you for being the perfect example of Mormon defense tactics: Putting your fingers in your ears and yelling louder. Sorry, but no amount of "nuh-uh" works.
emperor0013 2 months ago
@emperor0013 I mean research, study, and prayer. What about you? You might look at fairlds for better research. You are a typical anti. Same junk time after time. You probably reject Christ since you have not seen Him. Also, there is so much evidence of the lies and deceipt of antis it is disgusting.
LDStothecore 2 months ago
@LDStothecore Once again, I should thank you for proving your own incompetence. Nearly every post you show just how little you know, and what you do know is utterly biased and less than factual. Fairlds is NOT an unbiased source of information. It says "Apologetics" right on the title, you fucking moron. That means they are completely ONE-SIDED. Use mormonthink for unbiased information, where they explain exactly why we know Smith lied about the BoA. Your incompetence seems limitless.
emperor0013 2 months ago
@emperor0013 Now who is unbiased? Certainly not you. You sound like that anti-Christ Shawn McCraney. Oh, and nice language. Shows you are NO Christian. I will no longer responded to you since you are incapable of respecting others, probably not even yourself.
LDStothecore 2 months ago
@LDStothecore "nice language. Shows you are NO Christian." if we are judged if we are a Christian or not by our sins then there are no Christians on the planet. That is what is so great about being a Christian, we know we have a relationship with Jesus alone and are saved. A true Christian does not base their faith on what man says but what God says. God speaks to us in many ways but the best way is through the Bible. I read it everyday and God speaks to me every time!
Exodus314IAM 2 months ago
@emperor0013 I find it extremely comical that most of you antis get upset and angry when you are shown your lies and errors. I bet your face was red when you wrote that last response. :):):):)
LDStothecore 2 months ago
@LDStothecore The last bastion of a theist's non-arguments is ad-hominem. It shows you have utterly ran out of misinformation to defend yourself with. I like the part where you have nothing to say about the fact that you are getting your "information" from an APOLOGIST website. You are the reason it should be painful to be stupid. I am not a christian, genius. I would have figured you could figure that out on your own, but you are, after all, an idiot. Thanks for the laughs.
emperor0013 2 months ago
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Interesting, sorry to hear your arrogance and pride got the best of you. ;) Understand that this isn't what the Lord wants.
TheDnOberon 5 months ago
@TheDnOberon
Just how do you know what the "Lord wants"? And how does this differentiate from what all the other people out there have in their heads claiming to be from the divine as well?
Mormonism is not what it claims to be. Please watch the rest of the presentation and see just who is exhibiting "pride" and "arrogance" here. For added help, please see the Mormon run site MormonThink d o t c o m.
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago 11
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This guy couldn't handle the commandments, so he speaks against the church. How much does he get paid?
LDStothecore 5 months ago
@LDStothecore
"How much does he get paid?" I don't know, why don't you email him and ask him? He was not paid anything from the Foundation for his talk, other than covering the expenses of airfare and hotel stay. Thanks again for stopping by. Your erudite and insightful responses are most welcome.
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago 5
@ExmormonFoundation How would I go about finding out his email address? I just spent the the last hour or so reading about his experiences with the church and would sincerely like to email him to say thank you for taking the time to share it all. Everyone who is considering becoming a mormon should read about his experience and the things he encountered while teaching. Thanks!
1overthehillsfaraway 4 months ago
@LDStothecore NOBODY can "handle the commandments," LDStothecore, as you say in truth. That is why God came in the flesh as Jesus to fulfill all the law and the commandments because no human can do it! That is the reason for the death on the cross when Jesus, God in the flesh said; "IT IS DONE." LDS does NOT afree that IT IS DONE. Your following commandments will get you nowhere. Salvation, eternal life is a free gift of love from God. We obey Him as a result of our love for Him & what He did.
ProChoiceJesus 5 months ago
@LDStothecore
This guy had nothing to gain by leaving the Mormon church and everything to lose. Your comments are a disgusting example of cult programming. Those who leave a cult are demonized by the followers in effort to protect the believers. Thanks for clearly demonstrating that Mormonism is a cult with your common cult response.
beaufordslyone 3 months ago
@beaufordslyone Hello. How much is he getting paid to bash the LDS church? Like Sandra Tanner, her livelihood is off of bashing the LDS church. Also, no cult, no programming. If I were to leave any church, I wouldn't seek to destroy it like you people to. You need a life.
LDStothecore 3 months ago
You extoll the virtues of what great things man has done. Yes, we have come a long way. But you would have to be in major denial not to recognize that "Man" is the worst thing that ever happened to this earth, and continues to be. Well, clearly your life is full of joy and happiness. Just keep spreading the word! Good luck.
nelsgj 5 months ago
@nelsgj
Notwithstanding your sad, black & white & might I say dismally Christian attitude regarding humanity, Mormonism is still not what it claims to be. Please remember the following when touting the "truth" of Mormon claims, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Please continue to research. Mormonism is not in any way what it claims to be as the evidence against its claims is simply overwhelming. Have the courage to question and research to see just who is telling the truth.
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation I have researched every anti-Mormon claim for years and it is mostly lies and I have been able to explain it all.
LDStothecore 3 months ago
@LDStothecore
You my friend are deceived at best and a liar at worst. We are at the beginning of the end for the LDS church. The Mormon church is hemorrhaging members as we speak. Your explanations of "anti-Mormon claims" are so ridiculous that they provided enough fodder to power a Broadway play to land it the #1 play in years. As a former missionary, it's embarrassing to watch my former community mocked because of the ignorance you spew.
beaufordslyone 3 months ago
@beaufordslyone I am neither deceived nor a liar. The LDS church will be around always. You are an apostate. Ask me any question. My question to you is how did you go from knowing the church is true (if you ever did) to hating it?
LDStothecore 2 months ago
@LDStothecore
You may think that the LDS church will be around always. The growth rate of the Mormon church in the United States is now lower than the growth rate of the population. The Mormon church has watched it's growth drop from about 5.5% (1990) per year to less than 2.5% (2010) per year. In the US, the current growth rate is less than 1%. A church that purposely distorts its history to their membership cannot be sustained in the Internet age.
beaufordslyone 2 months ago
What I always wonder is where is the x-catholic web site or the x-baptist web site. Why is it that if someone leaves the church, they feel the need to "educate" others about why it is wrong. Just go away. We might miss you, and certainly wish you well, but go do something productive with your time. Volunteer at a soup kitchen or get involved in building up rather than tearing down.
Idahoborn66 5 months ago
@Idahoborn66
Mormonism is a fraud & a farce, & as former members of said fraud we feel it our duty to spread a notion of "caveat emptor" regarding Joseph's Myth here on Youtube. And yes there are other former cultists websites & YouTube pages everywhere. I guess those folks can "leave their cult & not leave it alone" too right?
You have been duped into believing the absurd. Please visit the Mormon run site, MormonThink d o t c o m to to find out how & why. All the best in your studies!
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation Well, I am no lawyer, but as I understand caveat emptor, it deals with purchase and sale of goods, not belief systems and hurt feelings. I am sorry that you have been so hurt. Perhaps as I suggested, you could turn your efforts towards building up rather than tearing down. I have never seen any good come from trying to destroy. I do wish you the best.
As far as being duped, well, perhaps but it brings me joy.
Idahoborn66 5 months ago
Mormonism is indeed sold; sold door to door & through various media outlets as the very truth of reality. As Mormonism is deceptive in presenting itself factually, it is our prerogative to inform others that the Mormon product is far from factual in its presentation & deserves our contempt & warning to others. There is great joy outside of the delusion of Mormonism in understanding things as they are not as we falsely hope them to be. Why must you lie to yourself to keep the true church true?
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation Well, given your very loose interpretation, ANYTHING you hear is technically being "sold" but thats not really the point is it. It sounds like you have had your feelings hurt and have to get it out somehow. For me, if the anger you are showing towards me is indicative of the "happiness" that comes from leaving the church, well, thats a tough sell in itself.
Idahoborn66 5 months ago
Still playing the persecution card eh? The bottom line oh defender of nonsense is that you are defending an absurd fraud. There are no Lamanites, Nephites, Adam & Eve, peepstones & Kolob. You have been had & are now here defending a group which was started by a guy with his face in his hat staring at a rock. Unfortunately for the Mormon, questioning & challenging their claims is always counted as "angry" & employed as a thought stopping technique, bolstered by confirmation bias. Please Think.
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
p.s. Paying 10% of one's income, fast offerings, temple fund, perpetual education fund, welfare projects, free labor in cleaning & maintaining temples & chapels & other free labor disguised as callings and "missionary" efforts etc. is all one very large payment which is required for the shoddy goods sold to the Mormon consumer. Not to mention building a 3+ billion dollar mall in downtown Salt Lake City. You are in a corporation which requires your money, mind & free labor. Caveat emptor indeed!
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation Clearly you are too angry and close-minded. Your replies are full of anger and accusation desperate to prove your point. I feel sorry for you. It must be frustrating to be so powerless. Again let me suggest that you change your environment by changing your focus. I think what you have been misled on is thinking that somehow you are owed something or that doing good things makes you a dupe.
nelsgj 5 months ago
@nelsgj
Yes, clearly your Mormon mind reading abilities are well honed. You too are defending an organization started by a guy with his face in his hat staring at a rock. I wish you the best of luck with that. :)
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
@nelsgj
"I think what you have been misled on is thinking that somehow you are owed something" yes, we are owed the truth, but apparently such is not really important to Mormons as long as the warm fuzzy & lack of critical thinking can be maintained. Please remember to avoid thinking, questioning & challenging your world view at all costs. Nothing is more displeasing to the Mormon god than those who dare question & expose the nonsense it proffers the world. Carry on oh defender, carry on!
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
Respond to this video... God gives you everything, you owe him. Call him what you will, worship him how you will, but spread more love and less hate. You want to rage against a corrupt machine, turn you anger towards our government.
nelsgj 5 months ago
@nelsgj
Rage? What is it with you Mormons and projecting? We owe nothing to any god. We owe everything to each other. It is we mere humans who have built, bled, sacrificed, developed, studied, struggled, failed and triumphed throughout our two million+ year existence as a species. Your position regarding a god is unfounded and unsupportable beyond the imaginings of your own mind. Our world is ours to make or break, no deference to a cosmic terrorist is necessary for that success or failure.
ExmormonFoundation 5 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation The money spent for the shopping mall is completely justified.
God need a place to shop!! New threads, a new cell phone, some new video games...........
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
When I was a Mormon at the MTC, one of the Apostles spoke one night told us that if we didn't have a testimony to go ahead and say we did anyway, that "the truth will come in the telling." I call this brainwashing. And lying. Only cults act this way.
bill4long 5 months ago 2
@bill4long
Amen, glad that you have came to this conclusion.
MsFreedom2fly 5 months ago
are you serious with this false BS video?? ha! you guys are a joke.. satan is working thru each and everyone of you who believes in this.. dare sum1 to say sumthing! ill be more than willing to prove you wrong!
tOOlEGIT510 6 months ago
@tOOlEGIT510
Wonderful! we welcome any opportunity to be shown where we are wrong so that corrections can be made. To help you out in your endeavor, you can go to the Mormon run site MormonThink d o t c o m and find the information in Ken's presentation under the "Lying for the Lord" section. Good luck in your quest, and please come back with updates on your progress.
All the best! -EMF
ExmormonFoundation 6 months ago
@tOOlEGIT510
Waiting
MsFreedom2fly 6 months ago
for what I see this guy is very good in pretending something he is not, in living a life he doesn't like, in worshiping in a way he doesn't believe it's true. As a Bishop he lied to hundreds of people for years...and he was very good at lying. And he still is....
iluvmmonkeyflore 6 months ago
@iluvmmonkeyflore
Thanks for stopping by. Would you mind listing the "lies" that are in Ken's presentation? Obviously you have factual information which counters those issues raised by Ken, right? You wouldn't be lying now would you? Unlike the Mormon Church, we are interested in truth, and would appreciate any factual information you do have which would show where Ken has lied in the presenting of the information in this presentation. Thanks for your help regarding this. All the best! -EMF
ExmormonFoundation 6 months ago 3
"A reluctance to accept the importance of reason is easy to explain. To ignore reason is to avoid a sense of personal responsibility, which makes it easy to explain everything that you see in terms of the tenets of your 'faith', be it religious, political or economic in origin."
Robert Hall
Nerodz 10 months ago 2
Moron-ites, Nehi-ites, Lemon-ites, Lamalama-ding-dongs, Pink Elephants and 10,000 pounds of thick hard gold plates that somebody engraved into with a twig. Sure, it all sounds so believeable! What's not to believe about the Book of Morons?
EarthRover 1 year ago 2
Well, you have to consider the fact that God made it impossible for us to have ALL the answers or there would be no point of being tested on this earth. I feel really strongly that The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the true church. Nobody or writing is going to change how I have felt or what I know to be true. You shouldn't have let it get to you. I really don't like to argue about religion especially since this conversation is not going anywhere.
5411436 1 year ago
@5411436
It's very simple. The EVIDENCE shows Mormon claims are not real. There were no Nephites, Lamanites, Global Floods or Adam and Eve. Smith's lies are all well documented & the evidence against his claims is simply overwhelming.
It is not a matter of arguing. Your position is simply unsupportable. You have nothing to support your claims other than your own desire to believe. How does this make something "true" despite the evidence which shows such a claim to be impossible? Research.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago 10
@ExmormonFoundation I love you
IamExExmormon 8 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation so you are saying Adam and Eve did not exist and there is no global flood? are you atheist? i'm just curious
fws91 2 months ago
@fws91 The Exmormon Foundation is a Board with six members. We all have our own beliefs. What difference does it make to you what we "believe" about the literal interpretation of the Bible? We, the Board, exist to show the lies of Mormonism. Our private lives do not matter in the least.
ExmormonFoundation 2 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation Thank you but next time don't be so rude in answering next time. I cared to know what you believed if you didn't want me to know you could have said so. You are not going help people see the truth if you disrespect them like you did me.
fws91 2 months ago
@fws91 I'm sorry, I didn't not mean to be rude. I was pointing out that we are not "one person". Our "faith" or lack thereof does not have anything to do with exposing Mormonisms lies. That was all I meant to say. Just being factual. I'm assuming by your offense that you were hoping we were promoting Christianity?
ExmormonFoundation 2 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation Kinda, but I was offended because you attacked literal bible interpretation. As long as you expose mormonism its okay.
fws91 2 months ago
@fws91 lol...by all means expose their bs, just not mine, right?
dirkadirkabro 2 months ago
@dirkadirkabro lol i hope your saying that jokingly. You can attempt to attack biblical christianity but me and other followers will faithfully defend it. I believe salvation is a free gift and isn;t earned. you get it by admitting you are a sinner, accepting Jesus' death on the cross for your sins and believing He rose from the dead and inviting Him into your life. If you say that to God and mean it you will be saved. Simple as that, no catch.
fws91 2 months ago
@fws91 On the first day, the Flying Spaghetti Monster separated the water from the heavens; on the second, because He could not tread water for long and had grown tired of flying, He created the land—complemented by a beer volcano......may you be touched by his noodly appendage my friend
dirkadirkabro 2 months ago
@5411436
It's not about a feeling it is about the truth. If the truth is there is a God someone's feeling that there isn't going to change the truth no matter the feeling. Praying for you to seek the truth. God's Peace.
MsFreedom2fly 7 months ago
@MsFreedom2fly
I found christ logicaly and using reason, to follow him. Mormonism is asking without logic and using unsequre feeling that can be faked by satan to find out truth, no that not logical. I know what im doing right because following christ is logical. and i found him logicaly and with reason.
soMeRandoM670 6 months ago
@soMeRandoM670
Amen. Logically you have to look at the Truth. If it isn't truth, it's a big fat lie. PTL that you found Christ. I was lost and now I see. So grateful to Jesus for showing me the errors of Mormonism.
MsFreedom2fly 6 months ago
@MsFreedom2fly
God gave us mind to use. i had feeling that i couldent blindly follow anything without finding out my self that its truth, i also used prayer to find out as well after studying it wasen't that deep but with prayer even though it very weak agrument for existance of god. it proves to me that im right. I find that all time i was praying about BOM it didn't work, i at one stage saw light inside my eyeball under my eyelid and thought that was something, they saying stuff -cont-
soMeRandoM670 6 months ago
@MsFreedom2fly
-cont- stuff that it must be true due to what good it bring into my life, however this was lie. this was sugar coated stuff that trying to explain feeling they get to prove to them self it true. also as i quote "if we wrong [Mormons] god will forgive us" this was from mormon. however God cant forgive you for not belieaving in Jesus, as Mormon Jesus not equal Bible Jesus, Brother satan to opposed as creator of everything
soMeRandoM670 6 months ago
@soMeRandoM670
So agree. It's not about the name Jesus. Many people today are named Jesus but that doesn't mean He is the creator or LORD.
MsFreedom2fly 6 months ago
@5411436
feelings mean nothing when they go against the truth. I can't change the way you feel. If you felt that you comments mean nothing then why did you type them. If you truly believe what you do why wouldn't you shout it out. If you truly believe what you do why don't you research it and look into these things yourself rather than just go off a feeling.
MsFreedom2fly 5 months ago
continue... I can say the sky is green, and truly believe it to be so. That doesn't make it so. Truth will always stand the test of time, that is why it sets you free.
MsFreedom2fly 5 months ago
I'm praying for you.. and by the way.. He is not the "mormons" God only. He is everybody's God. You really would be much happier if you looked for reasons why the church is true rather than why the church is fake. :) because it is true. i hope you can remember that because I'm sure you knew it at one point.
5411436 1 year ago
@5411436
So what you're advocating is ignoring all of the evidence which shows Mormon claims to be absurd and fraudulent just so you can continue to believe in the fairytale? Is that how "truth" works for you? If Mormonism was real and true, it would be self evident and the evidence would support those claims. Mormonism is not real, it never has been. It has always been a con from the very beginning.
Please visit the Mormon run site MormonThink d o t c o m to aid you in your studies.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago 2
@5411436 Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, blood atonment and death oaths. If Mormon forefathers testimonies can't be trusted what makes you think yours can be trusted, what makes you better then Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?
endofus 6 months ago 2
It is known that the Nag Hammadi library was concealed in the 4th century AC, which coincides with the Council of Nicaea's proclamation of the unity of the faith and officialisation of the doctrine. Any deviation was then deemed to be heretical. In reaction to the standardisation of the religion, the texts were obviously hidden and protected until such time as they could be safely brought back to the surface. No-one could have imagined that they would remain buried for 1,600 years!
92451721921892113 1 year ago
you know some ancient gnostic texts and the nag hamadi speak of the god known as Yahweh or Allah, Jehovah (the god of this universe) as an evil and wicked god who imprisons or traps us all here and that the serpent or Satan is actually our liberator, true friend and ally of mankind we were supposed to "gather the light" "become pure beings of light" or "liberate our selves from the material world"
92451721921892113 1 year ago
@92451721921892113 sources please? that sounds cool. you're not talking about the "satan" peacock worshippers are you?
schizoidchimp 1 year ago
@schizoidchimp the Yazidin? no im talking about gnosticism the nag hammadi was unearthed near egypt and tells a wild version of the book of Moses and it turns it on its head and makes the religion that Christians inherited seem like a Disney cartoon.
92451721921892113 1 year ago
@92451721921892113 well seeing that all religion pretty much is that, incorporating existing beliefs in a way that suits a certain people, clergy, whatever, it's not much of a surprise. A lot of saints and demons are deities that a certain religious group incorporates or antagonizes. I'll read up on the nag hammadi, thank you for sharing this.
schizoidchimp 1 year ago
@schizoidchimp The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of thirteen ancient codices containing over fifty texts, was discovered in upper Egypt in 1945. This immensely important discovery includes a large number of primary Gnostic scriptures -- texts once thought to have been entirely destroyed during the early Christian struggle to define "orthodoxy"
92451721921892113 1 year ago
@92451721921892113 Nag Hammdi Library is an end run by GOD against the wicked who sought to deny men teachings which threatened their power which was based on false doctrines..The Dead Sea Scrolls were another gift by GOD and there is more coming.
bert10
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 end run?
92451721921892113 1 year ago
@92451721921892113 Yeah God allowed copies of ancient manuscripts and books to survive the purge of the wicked so that the many things that were once in the Early Churches could again be given to men on the earth.
bert10
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@92451721921892113 Yeah God allowed copies of ancient manuscripts and books to survive the purge of the wicked so that the many things that were once in the Early Churches could again be given to men on the earth. That is why our day...was prophesied and "Called the times of restitution of all things"
bert10
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
why would a god need a mortal to lie for him?
92451721921892113 1 year ago
@92451721921892113 because imaginary friends can¿t do anything.
Ehatever, i just posted because your nickname is awesome
TheRealLinkShady 1 year ago
@92451721921892113 why would a god need a mortal to do anything?
schizoidchimp 1 year ago
exactly
92451721921892113 1 year ago
You know, when your own religion mandates that you're supposed to lie about it to make it look good, chances are it was founded as an elaborate scam rather than some folklore cultural thing.
HisEmptyHouse 1 year ago
Kackyful...Is this what you meant? Matthew 12:7 0 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless
@honeyonbread
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
Honeybread : I agree prosperity is not just about money...it is "an Increase in all our endeavors"
Too much wealth is more a curse than a blessing.
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 Hording too much wealth for yourself, the word is selfish is what is a curse. Loads of money is wonderful; it enables a person to give real help where it is needed. May god smite me with wealth.
Jeanikins 1 year ago
@Jeanikins You have been deceived a curse has been sent on the world when men decided it was okay for a man to have excess of wealth over his brother. There will always be the rich and the poor as long as the people keep this injustice. Economic problems, plagues and famines are going to be sent time to time. For example in Ancient Rome the rich who had their wine stored and because they used lead seals...were being poisoned by lead which would explain the actions of their leaders
bert10
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 "Too much wealth is more a curse than a blessing" - only someone who has never experienced real poverty would say this. If it's such a curse, they would donate it. Someone shouldn't be pitied for such an easily removable "curse."
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy Spiritual law determines when a person is blessed or cursed. IF the Lord is truly a shepherd of a person...I shall not want, He maketh me to lies in green pastures (prosperity), He leadeth me besides still waters (peace), He restoreth my soul etc. for further promises read Psalms 23
It shall be done to men whether they are on the earth or in heaven according to their faith. And this is justice. No matter where one start from, he holds his own destiny in his hands.
bert10
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
General Authorities also preside over the Financial aspect of the Church many, many businesses. They also oversee the Spiritual aspect of the church.
The General Authorities whether they formally seat on boards etc or not oversee all business of the Church. The Church is extremely wealthy and if it were run by bankers their salaries would begin at least at 500,000 not counting bonuses. This is another reason why the church is wealthy. They are not paid for Spiritual work.
@countingsheepyes
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
once u[on a time, there was thuinder, it was loud and sacrey and ppl didnt know where it came from. so they invented thor the god of thunder, which provided and explanation and quelled the fears of primitive superstitious ppl who couldnt otherwise explain it
executionerofgod 1 year ago
No,,,,the God of thunder known as Thor is also the same demon... as he was known anciently BAAL. HE is the demon who revived his worship from different civilization.
I do not get one step closer to heaven if you believe me or not. It is not my Gospel nor my kingdom.
bert10
@executionerofgod
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 its not your gospel, your, kingdom, or anybodyes truth. it is a swindle for ppl longing for emotional support ,acceptance/refuge, and understanding. but there is not understanding in the lies you speak. just indoctrination/enslavement, fundamentalism and intellectual, suicide. i'll serach heaven on mapquest. when you can defend a singe claim , let me know. reality awaits
executionerofgod 1 year ago
for people longing for emotional support etc.
This is a false for true disciples of God. We are cast out even from our own churches as even Jesus and the disciples were cast out of Synogogues. And later the envoys of Paul were also cast out from certain churches.
Jesus said for these...they would have foes even in their own household. The law is...The World shall hate the true disciples of Christ as it has hated Him. Darkness fears and hates those of the Light.
@executionerofgod
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
for people longing for emotional support etc.
This is a false for true disciples of God. We are cast out even from our own churches as even Jesus and the disciples were cast out of Synagogues. And later the envoys of Paul were also cast out from certain churches.
Jesus said for these...they would have foes even in their own household. The law is...The World shall hate the true disciples of Christ as it has hated Him. Darkness fears and hates those of the Light.
@executionerofgod
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
the truth of reality, does not require blind belief or coersed acceptance under threat of eternal torture. it requires, neither self deception , nor anti human self loathing, it is not divisive and does not provide you with enemies such as heathens,goyim,or infidels, nor the philosophy by which to hate them
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@executionerofgod What an awesome and logical response to utter superstitious beliefs.
Jeanikins 1 year ago
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executionerofgod 1 year ago
@honeyonbread Well here is where we see the mental illness showing. Believing in a God you "fear" is your problem. No wonder so many Christians are abusive to their children. They think their God is the same way.
kackyful 1 year ago
"Prosper over" Meaning the Church has money to help those in need. I have read many a times of people asking for money on blessing and needs boards. Because of rules such as they could only ask for help once or twice. I guess it depends on which church one belonged to.
As for lying....Like I said...one has to first know what is true and then say the opposite of it. That is lying.
Only the Elect is not deceived. All others are the blind leading the blind.
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
This stuff is not hard people. LDS are not deceivers. How could their church prosper over Christian churches, if they were deceivers and liars?
Lying is knowing the truth by the Spirit of Truth and then give the opposite of it. Who here has been given the Spirit of Judgment to say who is lying and who is not?
The answer is easy....None here has been given the Spirit of Judgment to say who is lying and who is not.
Common sense ? this is of the world and has nothing to do with the Spiritual.
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
'How could their church prosper over Christian churches, if they were deceivers and liars?' ... Which other Christian Churches? Jehovah's Witness? Catholic? ? Begs the question What is meant by 'prosper over'.
NathanRKennard 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10
You're so right! I remember those blessed words so well from the many Sunday school lessons I had over the years, "Yea verily, go forth and construct multi-billion dollar malls. Purchase hunting lodges, large land holdings and hotels. Vest thyself in business where ever thou goest and see that no taxes are paid while foisting thy political whims upon others." How could anyone ever doubt the veracity of Mormonism? If only people were more "spiritual" then they would see!! Uh huh.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
Money must be put to work. A mall is an investment that keeps on giving.
The fruit of any doctrines brings either blessings or cursing resulting in wrath. The fruits cannot lie.
Christian Nations are all losing the blessings of GOD concerning prosperity. This latest recession has their Economies worse and pushed many to the brink of defaulting on their debt.-much worse is on the way. This is wrath and This is truth. Whatever it is you guys are teaching is not working
@ExmormonFoundation
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
Hmmm, what about that call of your savior to "sell all that thou hast and give unto the poor" or a rich man has about as much chance of getting into heaven as a camel through the eye of a needle. I don't recall Jesus preaching that one must be rich or "put money to work." Your "religion" is all about money. That's all it has ever been about, well that and getting Smith laid.
Mormonism is not what it claims to be. It is a fraud and a farce which has been coning folks since 1830. Good luck!
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 lmao more lies for the lord. look up "Military Association Of Atheists And Freethinkers". you sit here trying to talk about "truth". you arent concerned with truth, youre only concerned with telling lies to bolster your silly beliefs. you just said, "The saying is true. There are no atheists in foxholes". so you believe in an imaginary sky fairy, and you deny the existence soldiers who are atheists. the term "lying for the lord" , perfectly describes what you just did.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
executionerofGod:
Actually I am working hard at listening to what I should say. No I am not too concerned with the truth of man which is all illusions and turns to dust. Point in case...the Economies of the world. I do not go from one faddish worldly philosophy as they crop up either. The LDS do not need today's scientists to tell that there is live on other worlds. We know it. We have know this since the 1830's. The WOW is another example of good fruits given to us by God.
@executionerofgod
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 the truth of man is the only truth a man can know. youre choosing man made myths over critical analysis in an observable reality that is definitively true. though it doesnt promise eternal bliss, this is the only life you may ever know. how do the dead know eternal torture without functioning brains? how do the dead feel pain with neither brains, nor physical bodies? you can use what you know about reality, to quell that superstitious nonsense.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 you cn call anything a fruit give by any god but 900 hundred years earlier, non mormons theorized life on other planets. 500 years later those who wouldnt give birth to mormonism for another 300 years, were still thinking the world was flat. mormonism claims that blacks were curse with drown skin by a god but we know that blacks were the first human beings to set foot on earth. what planet do living beings reside on? youve known it for 200 years so its an easy question
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 when u came here and replied to my comment, the first thing you typed was someone else's lie. you have forgone a discovery of reality through your own eyes. sacrificing that for someone else's lies, manipulation, bigotry and superstition. in your first few words, you proved that you were neither an authority on truth, nor concerned with it. i am a critical thinker.therefore there isnt a single claim that you can make unchallenged , if its basis is in superstition and blind belief
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 the last thing i say to you is a simple request for you to think about everything you KNOW to be true. not those fanastic things that you were told, and threatened "to believe blindly"! but things that dont require blind belief or "faith'. none of the things you know to be true require faith. why because the truth is demonstrative. none of those claims about gods are demonstrative. all of them require blind belief. when does a lie become the truth? when you believe it.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
executionerofGOD. - Truth is demonstrative and they who have the truth - have have the power of God in their lives. Their prayers are heard and answered.
My life was spared twice by the still small voice.. I was also given a disease and when I learned obedience God removed it. That is power over the world woes. Truth is power to overcome the world. That is how one can know if he has truth or not. Worldly truth is illusion. Not too long ago it was taught the earth was flat.
@executionerofgod
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 "I was also given a disease and when I learned obedience God removed it." soyou got a note saying "your disease had been removed by god?" all all the plausible explanations for a disease being cured, the best you can come up with one thats fantastically credulous. disease is cured everyday by doctors, some diseased can go away by themselves. since you dont know how the disease is no longer with you, you determine that is must be a god. thats primitive superstition.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 thats not power over anything. your life was spared? youve become so dependent on these fairytales that you use them to answer every question. your ignorance is not proof of a god. you have a primitive childlike worldview. and in your gullibility and desire for understanding , have been taken in and swindled by utter nonsense. with everything you say, i see, that youre disconnected from truth and reality. yours is a fairytale world with demons & wizards & gods.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 you have already proven that youre no authority on truth. truth is not power to overcome the world. everything is fairytale nonsense with you." your magical god healed you".your "truth" is the power to overcome the gullible. until you learn to think for yourself, you will always be a puppet, slave to a man pretending to speak for a god. but you wouldnt have it any other way. you will never truly grasp reality until youre deprogrammed.so far, nothing youve said has been true.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 not too long ago it was taught the earth is flat. taught by your ancestors. mine studied astronomy in the 9th century. not too long ago it was taught that black skin is a curse. this was nonsense used to justify slavery, and iyt was used against native americans, to justify genocide. the only truth you will ever know is worldy truth. those mormon lies dont come from elohim. elohim doesnt exist. just mormon charlatans. worldy truth says gravity kills. you believe nonsense
executionerofgod 1 year ago
Personal wealth and the Store House of the Lord are two different things. Is for gaining and the other is for giving.
The earth resources are given equally to all the Children of GOD. The rich create inequalities and shortages. They live luxurious lives while others are in want around them. .They misuse the Wealth of the Lord for their own pleasure. They shorn the sheep and live of the sweat of others. Damnation awaits all the rich who do not make the poor their priority
@ExmormonFoundation
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10
My you have an interesting way of ignoring your scripture and making up your own justifications, especially for the "true church." Mormonism or shall I say, religion has trained you well. Mormon Inc. is constructing a THREE BILLION DOLLAR MALL. And add to that, where is the help for the poor and needy in the construction and selling of million dollar condos in SLC?
Mormon Inc. was established for money, power and getting Smith's wick dipped as often as possible. Nothing more.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
The only true Scriptures is the voice of GOD within. This is the actual WORD OF GOD. The profits of that Mall will further increase the Storehouse of the Lord. The Catholic leaders are catching up..as it is trying to liquify its assets so that it can invest and get a return.
They who do not increase their talent shall lose it and it shall be given to the profitable servant. The Store House of the Lord shall prosper even in a recession. Judge ye by the fruits.
@ExmormonFoundation
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10
Sir you are quite delusional in your thinking or shall I say lack thereof. Your beliefs make reason stare. Please for the sake of your own sanity and that of human progress, investigate the claims of your religion. Your gullibility serves your masters well.
For your sake and that of your children (should you be fortunate enough to reproduce), RESEARCH!!
All the best in your continued studies. And may you begin to view the world in the shades of reality in which we ALL live.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation Amen to that. its been a while since i had an exchange with a mormon. there has never been any that i could reach. makes me wonder how ppl ever break away.. happy holidays Ex-mo. Glad youre still goin strong.
executionerofgod 1 year ago
Amen to that. - You cannot reach them that have a true testimony of Jesus..which such testimony only comes from the Spirit of prophecy.
As people get more Spiritual they begin to see why GOD regards the Wisdom of the World as "Foolishness". To prove it to us...He will let mankind take it to the brink of destruction. Conversely men see the wisdom of GOD as foolishness. A clear line is being drawn separating both groups.
@executionerofgod
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
Delusional? Reason says it is impossible to walk on water or that all the dead shall one day rise. In your reality life is bleak without the hope where all things are possible with GOD.
@ExmormonFoundation
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 you were told to believe that. in his reality and mine, life is beautiful, fulfilling, and full of discovery. there is only one truth: ours, it doesnt require a rejection of reality or deference to a charlatan. we dont have to pay to be human. see, someone shouldve told you that no one can give your life meaning. only you can. the meaning of life, is not some one size fits all poem. its to be found in living it
executionerofgod 1 year ago
In this reality life is beautiful and fulfilling when it is upheld by Spiritual joy and happiness. The fake joy and happiness that comes from gratifying senses always end up disappointing in the end. So people seek to go into more and more excesses to receive the same high. Excesses of the rich and the shameless are revealed for all when one dies from a overdose. One does not even have to die if it is exceedingly over the line.
@executionerofgod
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
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@Mrbertbert10 have a nice life. i have no more time to waste here. take care
executionerofgod 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 have a good week!
executionerofgod 1 year ago
That's because those things never happened. Let me ask you this, do you take the tales of Zeus to be true? Why not? Millions believed him to their god just as much as you believe Mormon Inc. to be charitable organization instead of the organized crime that it truly is. It is a fraud, a farce a nonsensical absurdity to actually believe in the claims of Mormonism. Just pause & consider, there truly was a global flood? Really? Adam & Eve too? Really? The evidence says otherwise, no magic required.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
Odin, Zeus, Roman Gods etc have the same theme. A higher order of beings endowed with incredible powers...with the weaknesses and passions of men.
Devils inspired these beliefs to fill the Spiritual void and emptiness of men so that they do not seek for the true God. Spiritual law: "people who see evil in others and things are filling themselves up with darkness". With time anger and hate do increase. En-light-ened people share their belief of God and love with others.
@ExmormonFoundation
Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10
Hmmm, "endowed with incredible powers...with the weaknesses and passions of men." I believe you'll recall that such is also attributed to the story of Jesus. Jesus is yet another co-opted myth just as those that proceeded it, the difference is that you have deluded yourself into believing that your myth is actually real, while the others are just evil, wrong and of course mythology right?
It's nice to know that I'm conversing with an "En-light-ened" person. Please research.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
EXMOF - continuation from endowed with increadible powers..for myself what is real and remains will come from the Spirit. So there are two types of men...the Natural man who have nothing to do with the Spiritual and there is the Spiritual man meaning one who is filled with the Spirit of GOD.
Normally it is only when one's world and belief system is gone that people those with the most hardened hearts will search for God.
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Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
EXMOF - continuation from endowed with increadible powers..for myself what is real and remains will come from the Spirit. So there are two types of men...the Natural man who have nothing to do with the Spiritual and there is the Spiritual man meaning one who is filled with the Spirit of GOD.
Normally it is only when one's world and belief system is turned upside down, that people those with the most hardened hearts will search for God.
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Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
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Sir, your delusion is complete. Your "spirit" has not testified of anything, least of all the truth regarding the veracity of Mormonism. Your duck and weave into the world of the metaphysical as a ploy of defense when the evidence is against you is nothing more than bearing testimony, and testimony bearing is the last bastion of the fanatic, not one interested in the notion of reason, truth or even reality. Mormonism is simply not true. It never has been and never will be.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
Saying something is not true does make it reality. The LDS is as true as Ancient Israel was. They have paralleled their their history. The Hordes of Hell and their minions here on the earth were frustrated in their design to destroy the LDS and this is fact. and not mere opinions. The Mobs and the militia not even the wicked governor who endorsed even the minions inspired by Satan who signed the Extermination order were frustrated and this is fact.
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Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
@Mrbertbert10 "The Hordes of Hell and their minions here on the earth". "The Mobs and the militia not even the wicked governor who endorsed even the minions inspired by Satan who signed the Extermination order were frustrated and this is fact.". Come on, who are you really? Brigham Young? Do you practice blood atonement too? Do you know how unintelligent you sound? Probably not. Who the heck uses minions and hordes of hell anymore? Only someone who has read the Journal of Discourses.
Jeanikins 1 year ago
First, listen then I write. Who am I really? Perhaps the only "lone voice" that you will hear before things get terribly interesting in our world.
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Mrbertbert10 1 year ago
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"Saying something is not true does (not) make it reality " How ironic. The difference between us oh defender is that the evidence has and continues to soundly defeat Mormon claims. You've lost before you even got to the staring line, but unfortunately you don't even know it. I would suggest you research and support Mormon claims with actual evidence, but you've got a testimony so why bother right?
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago