Look up Bryce beukers-stewart's details on the York Uni environment department website there's some useful papers there, and failing that give him a bell.
Wait a sec, I didn't commission this - I just tried to and got stonewalled so ended up putting up the best I could find. But really do you think if the researchers filmed it slower and actually had bags on the back of the dredge it would make that much difference? It may have been marginally less destructive, but that's not what the divers tell us. The gauntlet is still down for you to provide some better footage though, otherwise I'll just have to use this stuff and apply common sense.
@Appleby1970 Hey hows it going i'm an irish scienctist working on trying to make managable scallop stocks in co kerry in ireland, What is ure take on dredging, I have heard many opinions favourite ones are that the scallop dredge gets rid of the weed and another that it ruins the habitat in which they live. What is ure opinion on this? What do u think the dredge has on the young spat that is formed within those groups of scallops? Regards James
@sraideoin1 The only studies I know of the UK are in Port Erin on the Isle of Mann, and a recent one in the Lamlash Bay no take zone on the Isle of Arran. I believe both these indicate that closed areas are good for spat, which indicates unsurprisingly that dredging is harmful. The Manx have just introduced a whole raft of management measures based on area restrictions for spat protection. The people to contact are Bryce Beukers-Stewart at York Uni, and the Isle of Mann fisheries team.
@Appleby1970 where would i have to go to get this litrature has it been published on science direct or one of those. This is part of my masters i am working with a coop in valentia and it would be nice to show the fishermen some actual hard evidence they might stop and start diving for them. and selectively harvest them rather then plough a hole. Thanks for the heads up!!! regards J
@Appleby1970...what a hack set-up! This piece-of-shit production AND this scrap-yard hunk of junk is YOUR purchase for to bring this 'scripted' pile of steaming pig-shit of having some hack drive the boat while you film your junk-yard purchase through the seabed. Then to present it as though this is a 'documentary.' Bah! Fraudumentary! You are as pretentious and condescending as Marie was! Her fate to you!
Thanks gvmout, I agree that better footage is needed, but here is a strange thing, whenever we have lined up divers and camera gear to look at a working dredge in action the fisherman who has agreed initially has mysteriously withdrawn their consent, have you any idea why this might be? Sadly this is the best footage I can find. Having said that I have sneaking suspicion that however you film it, it will still look pretty awful but be my guest to link to some great footage a careful dredge.
If you landlubbers really want to reduce fishing and farming, then stop fucking!! You are fucking us into extinction! The fact is that if there werent so many people to feed, there would not be such a demand for protein! We have 3,000 little boats fishing salmon in Bristol Bay alone! A dozen or so trawlers could catch them all and save a hell of a lot in diesel and airfare. And, the nets would never even touch bottom! Ever hear of midwater trawling? Trawling goes back to the days of sail!
Hey dumbshits who build or buy houses on prime farmland! You are not bitching at a farmer for turning his soil over or digging in his dirt! Or displacing all the living things that once thrived there just to provide you with some pretty tulips!! 5/8's of the planet is covered with water. We are not (at least in Alaska) allowed to fish anywhere we want. We are given huge fines if we deviate from our designated area. Trawling is the most efficient method of harvesting and feeding the entire world.
@ConvairDart106 - as you say the problem is we do not all live in Alaska, which has an exceptionally well managed fishery. You should see the Clyde - where people can and have dredged everywhere, and the result has been catastrophic. This used to be Europe's finest fishery and now there are no commercial whitefish left. As for fines that would be interesting, the only thing they are going after are people electric fishing for razors (which is harmless), the whole thing is an embarassment.
@SittingMooseShaman I think we all will all die of starvation if we try and live exclusively on luxury foods like scallops. Queen Marie-Antionnette said let them eat cake to a load of starving people - and it didn't do much good to her either!
@Appleby1970 hows it going dude, i'm a sceintest working on managable scallop fishery in Valentia co Kerry in ireland i understand the damage that dredging does to the has to the habitat. I know that somepeople say if u dont dredge it u'll end up with weeds and some people say if u do u damage the habitat in which the scallops live. Just wondering do u know the damage it does to the future spat It seems that the stocks are reducing everywhere since the invention of this type of effort.Regards
@Appleby1970 hows it going dude, i'm a sceintest working on managable scallop fishery in Valentia co Kerry in ireland i understand the damage that dredging does to the has to the habitat. I know that somepeople say if u dont dredge it u'll end up with weeds and some people say if u do u damage the habitat in which the scallops live. Just wondering do u know the damage it does to the future spat It seems that the stocks are reducing everywhere since the invention of this type of effort.Regards
@Appleby1970 hows it going dude, i'm a sceintest working on managable scallop fishery in Valentia co Kerry in ireland i understand the damage that dredging does to the has to the habitat. I know that somepeople say if u dont dredge it u'll end up with weeds and some people say if u do u damage the habitat in which the scallops live. Just wondering do u know the damage it does to the future spat It seems that the stocks are reducing everywhere since the invention of this type of effort.
Also. The person running the boat in the video for this converstion here, he was running his boat too fast, ideal speed 1.7-2.2knots, he was going atleast 3.2knot.
As a third generation commercial lobster, and scallop fisherman, I want to let you know that some of us do care, and try to preserve the areas we fish. To even suggest that they close a commercial fishery for 5 years is not only rediculious, bu plain right stupid. Many of the people who fish, have done so their whoe life, know nothing else but fishing. to suggest that we stop for 5 years would kill us. Dead. If you really want to be upset with someone for the oceans, talk to the oil companies.
Interesting one this SpencerF, what do you do? How long has your family been dredging? and have you noticed a more general decline of stock? My view from the Clyde is fairly jaundiced - but I am more than happy to accept that there are well managed and sustainable fisheries out there.
Ban all commercial fishing for 5 years and let the oceans recover ..... then and only then allow them to operate with restraint .... Commercial fishermen have only themselves to blame for raping the oceans
Not sure where you get the statistic is from, but you are setting up a bit of a straw man argument .... it's a long way from questioning whether scallop dredging is a sensible fishing method to banning all trawling ..... besides there is not much meat on a scallop!
I am using information from Ray Hilborn and Walter Stark. Did you do any research at all regarding trawl, before making your comment? Trawlers can fish an area for generations. Just like farmers they use seasons, tides, moon phases or the month to determine when and where to fish/farm. They don't trawl the same area all the time. Trawling is usually done on sandy bottoms (hard ground destroys the gear and is dangerous) in a way similar to a farmer tilling the soil.
@Vickybookgirl thanks for asking, I did masses of research as it turns out but concentrated in one area. If you look at the Clyde which is an exclusively bottom trawled fishery,there are no commercial viable fish stocks left because of the damage done to the seabed and trawl bycatch, prawns and scallops perhaps but none of your actual fish. I don't doubt trawlers CAN behave responsibly, but sadly they haven't.
@Appleby1970 Are you using data from the Ruth Thurston and CM Roberts document? There are a lot of outside influences that was not covered (well only briefly) in their document ie: population pressures, pollution etc. Things were taken out of context (the fish numbers are down as they aren't targeted etc) as their view seems to be on the side of the Green factions as indicated by another report "Response to Defra Consultation on a recreational sea angling strategy for England" not impartial.
@Vickybookgirl No I am not using Callum Roberts' paper, though I've read it but years of research through published and unpublished papers, and looking at Clyde fisheries management and applying common sense. We can trade scientific papers as long as you like and then attack the scientists themselves when they don't say what we want them to, but it wont bring back the fish. It doesn't take much science to conclude that widespread dredging is harmful to benthic life. You're onto a loser there.
@Vickybookgirl masses of research is not compiling other peoples opinions and calling it fact,but sadly thats whats happening.its like the ignorant leading the ignorant
@stephenmorris31 Masses of research is compiling other peoples opinions and calling it fact. Scientists these days often are biased towards their employers. It is often hard to find the truth unless you have some first hand knowledge. People really need to see both sides of the situation before making up their mind. Do you just make comments for comment sake or do you have an opinion on this posting?
Going into very dangerous territory here @Vickybookgirl; the same criticism you could be levelled at you with your reliance on Ray Hilborn's paper. We all do the best we can with the information available, what's indisputable is that there are no commercial fish stocks left in the Clyde and you're other explanations just aren't very plausible when you can see bottom trawlers hammering the seabed out of the window.
If you were to ban trawling (of all types), you would take away 1/4 of the worlds fish production. To replace this protein you would need to cut down the world's rainforest 5 times over for the farms you would need. Even though there is an environmental impact and an effect on biodiversity, fishing is the best way to produce food, not the worst. Even organic farming has an environmental impact (it once was rainforest). Where you live, work, play etc has an environmental impact.
@Vickybookgirl Not many people are really talking about banning all types of fishing, you can't lump all fishing methods together, because some are sustainable and some aren't. Life's just not that simple. It's about stopping the daft stuff, and encouraging the good stuff. Everybody in the industry really knows which are the worst fisheries, but you can't expect them to voluntarily stop what they are doing when they are making money. Fishermen (with a few biblical exceptions) aren't saints.
4 months ago You are so full of shit you had to of went to collage, that bottom belongs to the men who have the balls to go out and work it, fuck you.SHOULDN"T YOU SAY THE MEN THAT GO OUT AND DESTROY IT FOR EVER FOR EVERYONE.GOOFUS YOU IDIOT
If you gave the same amount of bottom to 2 boats, 1 dredger and one with divers, and this was the onley ground they where fishing from, it will not be the dredger having the biggest catches after 10 years...
I have been a scallop diver for 20 years, and seen botom harwested by dredgers, it looks like a battle taken place with no life left...
You are of course right. It would be useful to put some proper footage up there - but despite all the expensive science on this - I haven't found any free access footage. If you know where I can get hold of some id be grateful. I did arrange to get some footage taken with an (insanely brave) underwater cameraman and a dredger - but the dredger cried off at the last minute - his local fishermen's association did not want him to be filmed. Until we can get something else we are left with this.
looks a really fair and balanced test to me !! YEAH RITE! how can u get any scientific data from that? towing half rigged gear round at that speed? its gona do damage if u do that, u wudnt put a tractor at full speed and pull a plow about ur field and expect it not to wreck it, makes no sense. scalloping is very gently gently catchy monkey, u need to tow slow, otherwise u will damage your gear and rattle it to bits,
theres bits of scallop ground here that get 40+ boats on it and it still recovers to be one of the best bits of ground the year after, ive been scalloping for nearly 10 years and theres more scallops now than thers ever been, so how dos dredging destroy the seabed??
The difference is that the farmer owns his field, so as its his he can do what he likes with it. The seabed (at least to 12nm) is almost all public property, so probably the public should consent before it's ploughed up. Take a bit of forestry commission woodland, would you think it fair for people exercising their right to pick mushrooms by uprooting the trees? Course not.
I couldn't agree with you more, the seabed SHOULD belong to the people with the balls (and more importantly the skills) to work it, but it doesn't - out to the 12 at least it belongs to the general public (which sadly includes people who've been to college), so there's no point in getting cross with me. I'm merely the messenger. If you want the seabed go and buy it!
is that a 2piece rake? I'd like to see a picture of it hanging, looks interesting, never seen a rake that looks anything like that. btw chopscanda did you know horseshoe crabs are beneficial for the sea bottom because THEY TILL! ignorant SOB
Anything under 12 metres could fish upto the shore in Sussex and upto 55 feet in Kent but new rules say nothing inside 3 miles and more than 6-a-side gotta be outside 6 miles which realistically is good.
Sussex/Kent coast. I'm a fisherman not a marine biologist, and i admit that 2 tons of scallop dredges being towed at 3 knots does look slightly harmful on video but i can assure you that netters, trawlers and scallopers are still sharing the same ground 36 years later.
I`m a scallop diver and support the dredging. in fact if come across any reefs that have no dredging damage i now inform the big dredging boats to come and wipe it out!! some1 should start the world dredging championships!!
Croakerlips - There is no whitefish fleet left in the Clyde, which was one of Europe's best fishing grounds. Where are the jobs? Well, they have largely gone already, because of a failure to make tough decisions and a bizarre willingness among fisheries management and politicians to listen to the kind of unsupported clap trap in your response. This is not even necessarily about jobs - at the end of the day there isn't much meat on a scallop.
that was pointless. Pollution is killing the oceans not overfishing. Support renewable resources and low bycatch methods. A tuna grows up to 2 pound a month, on average. faster when its younger. Shrimp live for a year then die after breeding. If thats not renewable, I dont know what is. Most fish only live a few years.Especially pray species. Get the facts before you cry overfishing. Create jobs for Americans Ban NMFS
Trawling by (most) vessels is NOT damaging, it is done over predominately soft seabed so you don't damage your gear. Agreed Clamming is more destructive but again you avoid sea mounts/hard ground as that is not a clams habitat. Crabs/lobsters do not come up mangled and can be returned alive. The majority of fishermen are not ocean rapists as some idiots want to believe, only a handful fuck it up for the rest a bit like some conservastionists and their misguided ranting.Give us a break.
If trawling and dredging wasn't killing the oxygen there would be plenty for us both. Ocean trawling is the worst form of environmental and economic terrorism that exists today. Corruption to the max!! Never eat scallops.
Its really no different than tilling a field, sure the bottom gets roughed up but it keeps species like scallops from smothering the bottom of the ocean. Ever see the bottom in the Closed areas? Scallops cover the whole bottom & some places 10ft. deep. Ya thats great for the groundfish that thgey closed the
People that knowingly eat dredged scallops are committing an economic and environmental act based on my marine experience. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. To Hell with trawler terrorists!!
Cohpscanada...Please, when you're done crying, kill yourself. You actually made scallops sound more friggen appetizing by whining and bitching about it.
You want people to kill themselves that describe trawling and dredging the ocean as domestic terrorism? We really really bother you and make you look like a criminal hey? Done my job here thank :)
How can this be legal yet fishing for Razorfish using electricity is illegal ? our electrodes just stun the non-targeted species for a short time and allow us to pick the Razors off the seabed, the SFPA are a bunch of cum guzzling gutter whores !!!!
are you a fishermen leewest , by your answer it sure doesnt sound like it , stirrs up feed haha thats the best one ive heard , you think the ocean floor is all sand and rock i think not , most fish , lobster , crab , all are born , eat , mature , take cover from predetors under these rocks , sea coral and sea foam , ect
i know ground that is dredged regualy and its still thriving fishing ground so cant be that bad for the bottom ! plus it sturs up feed for other fish just like birds follow a tractor plowing a field. think people should get there facts right before destroying peoples jobs and livlyhoods
No big deal here - but of course a lot of the seabed is not a load of sand and rocks and is home to species such as maerl or sea fan which are destroyed by dredgers, in which case it starts to be a problem, particularly as these tend to be nursery habitats. You are looking really at using the right technology in the right area.
Look up Bryce beukers-stewart's details on the York Uni environment department website there's some useful papers there, and failing that give him a bell.
Appleby1970 9 months ago
Wait a sec, I didn't commission this - I just tried to and got stonewalled so ended up putting up the best I could find. But really do you think if the researchers filmed it slower and actually had bags on the back of the dredge it would make that much difference? It may have been marginally less destructive, but that's not what the divers tell us. The gauntlet is still down for you to provide some better footage though, otherwise I'll just have to use this stuff and apply common sense.
Appleby1970 9 months ago
@Appleby1970 Hey hows it going i'm an irish scienctist working on trying to make managable scallop stocks in co kerry in ireland, What is ure take on dredging, I have heard many opinions favourite ones are that the scallop dredge gets rid of the weed and another that it ruins the habitat in which they live. What is ure opinion on this? What do u think the dredge has on the young spat that is formed within those groups of scallops? Regards James
sraideoin1 9 months ago
@sraideoin1 The only studies I know of the UK are in Port Erin on the Isle of Mann, and a recent one in the Lamlash Bay no take zone on the Isle of Arran. I believe both these indicate that closed areas are good for spat, which indicates unsurprisingly that dredging is harmful. The Manx have just introduced a whole raft of management measures based on area restrictions for spat protection. The people to contact are Bryce Beukers-Stewart at York Uni, and the Isle of Mann fisheries team.
Appleby1970 9 months ago
@Appleby1970 where would i have to go to get this litrature has it been published on science direct or one of those. This is part of my masters i am working with a coop in valentia and it would be nice to show the fishermen some actual hard evidence they might stop and start diving for them. and selectively harvest them rather then plough a hole. Thanks for the heads up!!! regards J
sraideoin1 9 months ago
@Appleby1970...what a hack set-up! This piece-of-shit production AND this scrap-yard hunk of junk is YOUR purchase for to bring this 'scripted' pile of steaming pig-shit of having some hack drive the boat while you film your junk-yard purchase through the seabed. Then to present it as though this is a 'documentary.' Bah! Fraudumentary! You are as pretentious and condescending as Marie was! Her fate to you!
To you and ilk... only the pike!
SittingMooseShaman 9 months ago
Thanks gvmout, I agree that better footage is needed, but here is a strange thing, whenever we have lined up divers and camera gear to look at a working dredge in action the fisherman who has agreed initially has mysteriously withdrawn their consent, have you any idea why this might be? Sadly this is the best footage I can find. Having said that I have sneaking suspicion that however you film it, it will still look pretty awful but be my guest to link to some great footage a careful dredge.
Appleby1970 9 months ago
THAT IS THE WORST SCALLOP HARVESTER I HAVE EVER SEEN U REELY HAVE NO IDEA DO U U NEED TO LOOK AND SEE HOW IT IS DONE ELS-WEAR
gvmout 9 months ago
THAT IS THE WORST SCALLOP HARVESTER I HAVE EVER SEEN U REALY HAVE NO IDEA DO U
gvmout 9 months ago
If you landlubbers really want to reduce fishing and farming, then stop fucking!! You are fucking us into extinction! The fact is that if there werent so many people to feed, there would not be such a demand for protein! We have 3,000 little boats fishing salmon in Bristol Bay alone! A dozen or so trawlers could catch them all and save a hell of a lot in diesel and airfare. And, the nets would never even touch bottom! Ever hear of midwater trawling? Trawling goes back to the days of sail!
ConvairDart106 11 months ago
Hey dumbshits who build or buy houses on prime farmland! You are not bitching at a farmer for turning his soil over or digging in his dirt! Or displacing all the living things that once thrived there just to provide you with some pretty tulips!! 5/8's of the planet is covered with water. We are not (at least in Alaska) allowed to fish anywhere we want. We are given huge fines if we deviate from our designated area. Trawling is the most efficient method of harvesting and feeding the entire world.
ConvairDart106 11 months ago
@ConvairDart106 - as you say the problem is we do not all live in Alaska, which has an exceptionally well managed fishery. You should see the Clyde - where people can and have dredged everywhere, and the result has been catastrophic. This used to be Europe's finest fishery and now there are no commercial whitefish left. As for fines that would be interesting, the only thing they are going after are people electric fishing for razors (which is harmless), the whole thing is an embarassment.
Appleby1970 9 months ago
... this "footage" deserves just that: A kick in the ass!
It's all shit... Punkass bitches- DIE of starvation shitheads!
SittingMooseShaman 1 year ago
@SittingMooseShaman I think we all will all die of starvation if we try and live exclusively on luxury foods like scallops. Queen Marie-Antionnette said let them eat cake to a load of starving people - and it didn't do much good to her either!
Appleby1970 9 months ago
@Appleby1970 hows it going dude, i'm a sceintest working on managable scallop fishery in Valentia co Kerry in ireland i understand the damage that dredging does to the has to the habitat. I know that somepeople say if u dont dredge it u'll end up with weeds and some people say if u do u damage the habitat in which the scallops live. Just wondering do u know the damage it does to the future spat It seems that the stocks are reducing everywhere since the invention of this type of effort.Regards
sraideoin1 9 months ago
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@Appleby1970 hows it going dude, i'm a sceintest working on managable scallop fishery in Valentia co Kerry in ireland i understand the damage that dredging does to the has to the habitat. I know that somepeople say if u dont dredge it u'll end up with weeds and some people say if u do u damage the habitat in which the scallops live. Just wondering do u know the damage it does to the future spat It seems that the stocks are reducing everywhere since the invention of this type of effort.Regards
sraideoin1 9 months ago
@Appleby1970 hows it going dude, i'm a sceintest working on managable scallop fishery in Valentia co Kerry in ireland i understand the damage that dredging does to the has to the habitat. I know that somepeople say if u dont dredge it u'll end up with weeds and some people say if u do u damage the habitat in which the scallops live. Just wondering do u know the damage it does to the future spat It seems that the stocks are reducing everywhere since the invention of this type of effort.
sraideoin1 9 months ago
Also. The person running the boat in the video for this converstion here, he was running his boat too fast, ideal speed 1.7-2.2knots, he was going atleast 3.2knot.
SpencerF122 1 year ago
As a third generation commercial lobster, and scallop fisherman, I want to let you know that some of us do care, and try to preserve the areas we fish. To even suggest that they close a commercial fishery for 5 years is not only rediculious, bu plain right stupid. Many of the people who fish, have done so their whoe life, know nothing else but fishing. to suggest that we stop for 5 years would kill us. Dead. If you really want to be upset with someone for the oceans, talk to the oil companies.
SpencerF122 1 year ago
Interesting one this SpencerF, what do you do? How long has your family been dredging? and have you noticed a more general decline of stock? My view from the Clyde is fairly jaundiced - but I am more than happy to accept that there are well managed and sustainable fisheries out there.
Appleby1970 9 months ago
Ban all commercial fishing for 5 years and let the oceans recover ..... then and only then allow them to operate with restraint .... Commercial fishermen have only themselves to blame for raping the oceans
antipike 1 year ago
if you dont have any idea what your talking about, you shouldnt talk at all
stephenmorris31 1 year ago
Not sure where you get the statistic is from, but you are setting up a bit of a straw man argument .... it's a long way from questioning whether scallop dredging is a sensible fishing method to banning all trawling ..... besides there is not much meat on a scallop!
Appleby1970 1 year ago
@Appleby1970
I am using information from Ray Hilborn and Walter Stark. Did you do any research at all regarding trawl, before making your comment? Trawlers can fish an area for generations. Just like farmers they use seasons, tides, moon phases or the month to determine when and where to fish/farm. They don't trawl the same area all the time. Trawling is usually done on sandy bottoms (hard ground destroys the gear and is dangerous) in a way similar to a farmer tilling the soil.
Vickybookgirl 1 year ago
@Vickybookgirl thanks for asking, I did masses of research as it turns out but concentrated in one area. If you look at the Clyde which is an exclusively bottom trawled fishery,there are no commercial viable fish stocks left because of the damage done to the seabed and trawl bycatch, prawns and scallops perhaps but none of your actual fish. I don't doubt trawlers CAN behave responsibly, but sadly they haven't.
Appleby1970 1 year ago
@Appleby1970 Are you using data from the Ruth Thurston and CM Roberts document? There are a lot of outside influences that was not covered (well only briefly) in their document ie: population pressures, pollution etc. Things were taken out of context (the fish numbers are down as they aren't targeted etc) as their view seems to be on the side of the Green factions as indicated by another report "Response to Defra Consultation on a recreational sea angling strategy for England" not impartial.
Vickybookgirl 1 year ago
@Vickybookgirl No I am not using Callum Roberts' paper, though I've read it but years of research through published and unpublished papers, and looking at Clyde fisheries management and applying common sense. We can trade scientific papers as long as you like and then attack the scientists themselves when they don't say what we want them to, but it wont bring back the fish. It doesn't take much science to conclude that widespread dredging is harmful to benthic life. You're onto a loser there.
Appleby1970 1 year ago
@Vickybookgirl masses of research is not compiling other peoples opinions and calling it fact,but sadly thats whats happening.its like the ignorant leading the ignorant
stephenmorris31 1 year ago
@stephenmorris31 Masses of research is compiling other peoples opinions and calling it fact. Scientists these days often are biased towards their employers. It is often hard to find the truth unless you have some first hand knowledge. People really need to see both sides of the situation before making up their mind. Do you just make comments for comment sake or do you have an opinion on this posting?
Vickybookgirl 1 year ago
Going into very dangerous territory here @Vickybookgirl; the same criticism you could be levelled at you with your reliance on Ray Hilborn's paper. We all do the best we can with the information available, what's indisputable is that there are no commercial fish stocks left in the Clyde and you're other explanations just aren't very plausible when you can see bottom trawlers hammering the seabed out of the window.
Appleby1970 1 year ago
If you were to ban trawling (of all types), you would take away 1/4 of the worlds fish production. To replace this protein you would need to cut down the world's rainforest 5 times over for the farms you would need. Even though there is an environmental impact and an effect on biodiversity, fishing is the best way to produce food, not the worst. Even organic farming has an environmental impact (it once was rainforest). Where you live, work, play etc has an environmental impact.
Vickybookgirl 1 year ago
@Vickybookgirl Not many people are really talking about banning all types of fishing, you can't lump all fishing methods together, because some are sustainable and some aren't. Life's just not that simple. It's about stopping the daft stuff, and encouraging the good stuff. Everybody in the industry really knows which are the worst fisheries, but you can't expect them to voluntarily stop what they are doing when they are making money. Fishermen (with a few biblical exceptions) aren't saints.
Appleby1970 9 months ago
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First time I ever had seen that
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4 months ago You are so full of shit you had to of went to collage, that bottom belongs to the men who have the balls to go out and work it, fuck you.SHOULDN"T YOU SAY THE MEN THAT GO OUT AND DESTROY IT FOR EVER FOR EVERYONE.GOOFUS YOU IDIOT
landlckedsalmon 1 year ago
If you gave the same amount of bottom to 2 boats, 1 dredger and one with divers, and this was the onley ground they where fishing from, it will not be the dredger having the biggest catches after 10 years...
I have been a scallop diver for 20 years, and seen botom harwested by dredgers, it looks like a battle taken place with no life left...
patlunde 1 year ago
ur all fucking freeks u cant toe half a rig at 9kn this shit dont work like that go do sumfin ur good fuckin freks
jiffy20 2 years ago
You are of course right. It would be useful to put some proper footage up there - but despite all the expensive science on this - I haven't found any free access footage. If you know where I can get hold of some id be grateful. I did arrange to get some footage taken with an (insanely brave) underwater cameraman and a dredger - but the dredger cried off at the last minute - his local fishermen's association did not want him to be filmed. Until we can get something else we are left with this.
Appleby1970 2 years ago
@jiffy20 thats what i thought, your only gonna catch some stones and load of broken dredges at that speed
homojojo7777 1 year ago
looks a really fair and balanced test to me !! YEAH RITE! how can u get any scientific data from that? towing half rigged gear round at that speed? its gona do damage if u do that, u wudnt put a tractor at full speed and pull a plow about ur field and expect it not to wreck it, makes no sense. scalloping is very gently gently catchy monkey, u need to tow slow, otherwise u will damage your gear and rattle it to bits,
pl41 2 years ago 2
theres bits of scallop ground here that get 40+ boats on it and it still recovers to be one of the best bits of ground the year after, ive been scalloping for nearly 10 years and theres more scallops now than thers ever been, so how dos dredging destroy the seabed??
pl41 2 years ago 2
what about a farmer ploughing a field/ poor little worms bein cut in half! whats the differance???
leewest322 2 years ago
The difference is that the farmer owns his field, so as its his he can do what he likes with it. The seabed (at least to 12nm) is almost all public property, so probably the public should consent before it's ploughed up. Take a bit of forestry commission woodland, would you think it fair for people exercising their right to pick mushrooms by uprooting the trees? Course not.
Appleby1970 2 years ago
You are so full of shit you had to of went to collage, that bottom belongs to the men who have the balls to go out and work it, fuck you.
Goofus5453 2 years ago
I couldn't agree with you more, the seabed SHOULD belong to the people with the balls (and more importantly the skills) to work it, but it doesn't - out to the 12 at least it belongs to the general public (which sadly includes people who've been to college), so there's no point in getting cross with me. I'm merely the messenger. If you want the seabed go and buy it!
Appleby1970 2 years ago
ALRITEY LEE HOWS IT GOIN! the only bleddy by catch we seem to get is starfish and they dont bleddy die anyway do em bey lol
NathanBall18 2 years ago
is that a 2piece rake? I'd like to see a picture of it hanging, looks interesting, never seen a rake that looks anything like that. btw chopscanda did you know horseshoe crabs are beneficial for the sea bottom because THEY TILL! ignorant SOB
dustyC420 3 years ago
can be up to 18 pieces!
leewest322 2 years ago
Anything under 12 metres could fish upto the shore in Sussex and upto 55 feet in Kent but new rules say nothing inside 3 miles and more than 6-a-side gotta be outside 6 miles which realistically is good.
peps1965 3 years ago
Thanks peps1965 - where is here?
Appleby1970 3 years ago
Sussex/Kent coast. I'm a fisherman not a marine biologist, and i admit that 2 tons of scallop dredges being towed at 3 knots does look slightly harmful on video but i can assure you that netters, trawlers and scallopers are still sharing the same ground 36 years later.
peps1965 3 years ago
Thanks for the response - will lob it into the pot of knowledge, are you normally inside the 6 or outside?
Appleby1970 3 years ago
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peps1965 3 years ago
I`m a scallop diver and support the dredging. in fact if come across any reefs that have no dredging damage i now inform the big dredging boats to come and wipe it out!! some1 should start the world dredging championships!!
jamesmack1888 3 years ago
Croakerlips - There is no whitefish fleet left in the Clyde, which was one of Europe's best fishing grounds. Where are the jobs? Well, they have largely gone already, because of a failure to make tough decisions and a bizarre willingness among fisheries management and politicians to listen to the kind of unsupported clap trap in your response. This is not even necessarily about jobs - at the end of the day there isn't much meat on a scallop.
Appleby1970 3 years ago
that was pointless. Pollution is killing the oceans not overfishing. Support renewable resources and low bycatch methods. A tuna grows up to 2 pound a month, on average. faster when its younger. Shrimp live for a year then die after breeding. If thats not renewable, I dont know what is. Most fish only live a few years.Especially pray species. Get the facts before you cry overfishing. Create jobs for Americans Ban NMFS
croakerlips 3 years ago
scoalloping is cool
iirvine80 3 years ago
Dragging for scallops is not killing the planet. I suggest you see the research done by UMASS-Dartmouth's SMAST program.
mikea0204 3 years ago
Trawling by (most) vessels is NOT damaging, it is done over predominately soft seabed so you don't damage your gear. Agreed Clamming is more destructive but again you avoid sea mounts/hard ground as that is not a clams habitat. Crabs/lobsters do not come up mangled and can be returned alive. The majority of fishermen are not ocean rapists as some idiots want to believe, only a handful fuck it up for the rest a bit like some conservastionists and their misguided ranting.Give us a break.
dkmac123 3 years ago
Trawling is killing the planet!!
COHPSCANADA 3 years ago
& your wasting my oxygen
capeace 3 years ago
If trawling and dredging wasn't killing the oxygen there would be plenty for us both. Ocean trawling is the worst form of environmental and economic terrorism that exists today. Corruption to the max!! Never eat scallops.
COHPSCANADA 3 years ago
Its really no different than tilling a field, sure the bottom gets roughed up but it keeps species like scallops from smothering the bottom of the ocean. Ever see the bottom in the Closed areas? Scallops cover the whole bottom & some places 10ft. deep. Ya thats great for the groundfish that thgey closed the
area for. Everybody should go eat some scallops.
capeace 3 years ago
People that knowingly eat dredged scallops are committing an economic and environmental act based on my marine experience. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. To Hell with trawler terrorists!!
COHPSCANADA 3 years ago
Cohpscanada...Please, when you're done crying, kill yourself. You actually made scallops sound more friggen appetizing by whining and bitching about it.
Delroxorz 3 years ago
You want people to kill themselves that describe trawling and dredging the ocean as domestic terrorism? We really really bother you and make you look like a criminal hey? Done my job here thank :)
COHPSCANADA 3 years ago
How do they expect to catch anything with no nets on the backs of the dredges?
johnpood 3 years ago
Shouldn't be allowed on cobble substrate
Fatpandas 4 years ago
i think its a great system keep up the great work.. make the equipment bigger do it gets more in one hit
vexedrex555 4 years ago
ban the hole lot
braxlvsmotox 4 years ago
didnt mean to write tht
braxlvsmotox 4 years ago
fuck you.
guitarmanseaner 4 years ago
shes a lil beauty scollopin muther fuckers
leewest322 4 years ago
this is a lot more distructiv than trawling by far
braxlvsmotox 4 years ago 2
How can this be legal yet fishing for Razorfish using electricity is illegal ? our electrodes just stun the non-targeted species for a short time and allow us to pick the Razors off the seabed, the SFPA are a bunch of cum guzzling gutter whores !!!!
cdenovan 4 years ago
are you a fishermen leewest , by your answer it sure doesnt sound like it , stirrs up feed haha thats the best one ive heard , you think the ocean floor is all sand and rock i think not , most fish , lobster , crab , all are born , eat , mature , take cover from predetors under these rocks , sea coral and sea foam , ect
capie99 4 years ago
I am....and we've been Scalloping here since 1972, they are still Scalloping, trawling and netting in 2009...hows that for facts !!!
peps1965 3 years ago
i know ground that is dredged regualy and its still thriving fishing ground so cant be that bad for the bottom ! plus it sturs up feed for other fish just like birds follow a tractor plowing a field. think people should get there facts right before destroying peoples jobs and livlyhoods
leewest322 4 years ago
Interesting use of the word 'facts' - Can you point to any independent studies which back up what you are saying?
Appleby1970 4 years ago
point to a real study that says trawlers destroy coral in the southeast
guitarmanseaner 4 years ago
That's incredible!
How can anyone who sees that support the dredging of the Lyme Bay reefs?
TheYowser 4 years ago
Looks ok to me. Whats the big deal its only sand and rocks?
albacorecrab 4 years ago
No big deal here - but of course a lot of the seabed is not a load of sand and rocks and is home to species such as maerl or sea fan which are destroyed by dredgers, in which case it starts to be a problem, particularly as these tend to be nursery habitats. You are looking really at using the right technology in the right area.
Appleby1970 4 years ago
They plan to do that to the Lyme Bay reefs - one of the best diving, angling and pot-fishing areas on the english south coast.
TheYowser 4 years ago
I wonder how many years it take for the sea bed to heal itself after a mauling like that .
No wonder people are questioning the use of sea bed damaging trawls & hoovering as a fish /shell fish harvesting method.
oneeyedwilliegun 4 years ago
Do you have anymore video like this?
BarryTheBastard 4 years ago