Amazing there are still people not in their gut knowing that feminazi is the correct term. This is demonstration of some sort of massive information deficit or psyhological pathology. If it's information you lack go to angryharry d ot co m and read his list of feminist nazi unifiers.
"Well according to ... you, any male criticism of feminism is "misogyny"."
Nope, that is not accurate. Men and women are quite free to criticise or question feminism. That is not misogony. That is critical engagement, and requires negotiating with ideas.
Compare that with the hatred towards women/feminism you express. You dont critically engage. You obliterate. You'd rather fire abuse at feminists than articulate what it is about feminism that unsettles you. That IS misogony.
If...you are disliking anything a woman does or stands for you are being misogynist. Misogyny is a misanthrope who dislikes women in particular. Therefore, to say that males who dislike feminism is not a misogynist is incorrect.
When you look deeper into what these people are suggesting you will see there is a definite blur beween when they mean 'feminist' and when they mean 'women'. And since feminism is the discourse of women and the study OF women then you will see that the ideas are clearly linked with hatred of women and what they do.
So, you would be quite ok, if your father said to your mother, 'you're a cunt woman, get in the fucking kitchen'. That would be 'accurate' by your standards right?
I think you misunderstand the use of the term. Cunt should be applied only to women who are cunts, like you. It shouldn't be used in reference to all or any females.
Only a fucking fool would think (i) there are real genuine differentiated "factions" within feminism [in actuality it is a monolith] and that (ii) feminism is not in theory and practice equatable with misandry.
That is after studying the subject in reasonable depth of course. Anyone who comes out of the Feminist School System or consumes Judeofeminist Mass Media will not have any proper understanding of feminism. They will receive simple dogma from both sources which they are not expected to question or intellectually analyse.
See, right there, where you use the word "femcunts", thats an example of misogony. Its not just derogatory to feminists, but to everything female or feminine too.
Find a word in anything I've written that shows the same measure of contempt for men. If you can find it, then you probably have reason to believe me a man-hater. But you won't find it. Me calling you out for what you are is based on how you use words like that to hurt people and that doen't make me a misandrist.
Just like equating feminists with nazi's through the term 'feminazi'. The Nazi's and the holocaust is hardly comparible to feminism. Hitler & the Thrid Reich is possibly the most wrong thing that ever happened in the 20thC. And it is equally obscene to link the Nazi's with the feminists. I mean, you can disagree, you can criticise feminism, but saying all feminists are cunts or Nazi's is a completely ridiculous claim, without reason, logic nor proof.
Anyway, the fact that you deny that men are not victims of abuse (claiming it 'ungenuine') says it all about the quality of thought that goes on in your brain, and the depth of compassion in your heart.
You are a misogonist brute. And not much more than that.
In frank, floyd, I've read quite enough. If you can't tell the difference between a misandrist and a feminist, and if you're so unwilling to take a look at some feminist discourse to find out the truth, then who am I to burst your conspiracy theory bubble.
However, I would encourage you to look past the masculinist anti-feminist bull crap and engage in learning more of the MRA, who have a genuine care for individual growth and social stability.
Can't tell the difference? There is no difference. That's the whole point you fucking bollox.
I have looked at lots of feminist discourses in its many different supposed "differentiations" (radical, nonrad, moderate, etc.). Its precisely because I am aware of the protocol of feminist discourse and intention that I have reached the conclusions I have.
Since you're conclusion is that there is no distinguishing between feminist and misandrist tell us all how you came to that conclusion. I'll go get a nice glass of Malbec and you can explain it to us.
Please try to refrain from women-hating in your reply, pretty please, sugar on top, no misogony please.
Also, when you're expressing such contempt for women like that you're doing exactly what the author of this video explicitly asks us not to. Calling somebody a 'femcunt' is no different from calling them a feminazi. They're both derogatory and hostile terms. I don't agree with them. You're equating fem with female, and cunt with women. What man in his right mind would call a woman a cunt to her face? She is a woman therefore nothing more than a vagina/cunt? A female feminist cunt - even worse?
Also, Patriarchy is around for only about 3000 years. Before that it was a Matriarchal Primitivist Pagan cesspit. Now we have turned full circle and are back in such a society again. Back in the Matriarchal Stone Age.
Matriarchy (i.e. Feminism, Gynocentricism) has a history of ages - not thousands of years of Matriarchy. To argue that it is "only 150 years old" is absolutely ridiculous. It had an interruption yes, but arguing that it is 150 years old is a joke.
a family, group, or state governed by a matriarch
a system of social organization in which descent and inheritance are traced through the female line
Patriarchy:
social organization marked by the supremacy of the father in the clan or family, the legal dependence of wives and children, and the reckoning of descent and inheritance in the male line ; broadly : control by men of a disproportionately large share of power.
Do you see the difference in those definitions Floyd? Have you any comprehension of why they are so different?
You don't see, "Little feminist bitch reflecting her man-hatred back on men" under the definition for feminist, matriarch or gynocentricism do you? If you look up feminist does it say 'misandrist'?
What do you find in the dictionary if you look up the definition of masculinist?
You'd find: an advocate of male superiority or dominance.
Like I've stated before, Floyd, Masculinism and anti-feminism are just words to mask the hatred you have for women. To some extent it appears that you think its ok to call a feminist woman a 'femicunt', 'cunt', 'femishit', 'femgina', 'vagina', 'bitch', etc etc. This type of behaviour is termed misogony. And you, you're a misogonist with delusions of grandeur, and a total lack of understanding of feminism.
That's where you are wrong. I have a proper undertanding of feminism, you know this and you don't like it.
You understand it too, but you constantly misrepresent in even though you are aware of its true nature.
As I said, I don't know who I hate more.. The upfront "I hate men" feminists of the 1970s or the masquerading "I hate men, but don't articulate it publically" feminists like you.
There are REAL misandrists out there Floyd. And they are abusing men right now. But instead of working like the MRA & feminist groups do to help these victims of abuse, you point your hatred toward the very people who are advocating awareness for their plight and offering them aid in overcoming the abuses they have survived.
I think YOU deserve the big FUCK YOU along with the rest of the misogonists and misandrist feminazi's assholes out there.
"Sure feminism is gynocentric. In fact gynocentricism (in the West) is only 150 years old in comparisson with patriarchy's fallocentricism which is archaic."
And hence man hating-femishits like you are exposed. You claim as a "nonradfem-TM" to speak for "EQUALITEE", for men and women, yet you do not dispense with your gynocentricism which is central to your politics and ideology.
You claim to be on neutral ground, but you are anything but.
Man-hating is an assumption you make about me. I dont hate you for your sex, I don't even hate you, I just think you're an ass because you spout misogonist and an anti-feminist hatred.
"Feminism is not feminazi(ism), you do see the difference between them right"
All feminism is the same. The creation of multiple feminist "distinctions" (good feminism, radical, moderate, liberal, feminazi, etc.) is nothing but a bullshit false paradigm.
"[masculinism] strengthens feminism & gives feminism more purpose."
That's what women/femishits have been saying since approximately 1957. But the fact of the matter is feminism can run exclusively on the female anti-menism and woman-firstism. It doesn't need to "react" to masculinity. Rather it uses Masculinity and Patriarchy as cover for their supremacist revolutionary activism.
Masculinism is no threat. Misogony always taints your vision. Why you cannot just face the fact that feminism has nothing to do with establishing a matriarchy and making men into bitches. Masculinism is actually a really good thing for men, that is, until it gets tainted my mysoginists like you. You severely let your side down and you give men a bad reputation.
You are 90% wrong in all of the above. Masculinism is not the opposite of feminism in any shape or form. Feminism is not feminazi(ism), you do see the difference between them right? Also do you see how the feminazi (misandrist) and the masculinist (misoginist) are two sides of the same coin?
Sure feminism is gynocentric. In fact gynocentricism (in the West) is only 150 years old in comparisson with patriarchy's fallocentricism which is archaic.
I think there's also a space in "wordpress" between the e and ss...I hate how you can't post links on this site. (anyway you gotta take out that space too) sorry 'bout that. You could always google "feminism 101" and "why do you feminists hate men"...it should be the first link.
hmm...guess it was asking for too much that everyone comment logically huh river....oh well..
yeah, i was considering making a similar video myself because, although i do feel argus has some strong and relevent points, he is also using quotes as amunition rather than evidence.
feminist discourse is written by theorists, it is not an exact science and no two 'feminists' share exactly the same ideals. we just study these womens writings to learn a little more of our human paradigm.
it just so happens that feminism is a very recent school of thought, only gaining momentum & weight after the sufferogettes won womens right to vote. i think this reminder is extermely current in terms of politics this week, where the USA has appointed its first black president.
unlike the USA, feminism has no elect leaders, it only has activists and liturgical contributers who offer their critique on history, society, politic, body & culture from a gynocentric perspective.
historically, women had no voice or social status in the west. they were silenced and bound to the confines of their bodies and the domestic sphere. if it were not for a select few women thinkers women might still be caught up in the following predicament;
taught from their infancy that beauty is a womans sceptre, the mind shapes itself to the body and roaming round its gilt cage, only seeks to adore its prison.
Re: ponyeater...Yup, I was thinking the same thing, it's pointless to expect anyone here to think logically. The "men" here seem to think they can speak knowledgeably about feminism...as if they know what feminism is about...they have no clue, they don't study it, nor are they feminists. All they have is an immature feeling of superiority that is a product of "white male privilege" and fear. It's sad that misogyny is still so accepted and still so widespread.
I know. I'm getting really bored of the blokes on YT who pretend to be M R activists in order to perpetuate their racist-misogonistic-homophobic bull crap.
The important thing is that we feminists know what we're about and are active advocats for both the rights of women and men.
Irrespective of penis worshiping masculinists, I don't care if misoginistic masculinists think feminism = feminazi cunt because they prove lunatics like Andrea Dworkin right.
...I recall Argus saying 'categorically' in his video. He knows not ALL fem. are anti-men to an extreme. However, when their leaders believe in such extremes, it ultimately defines their their ultimate views and motives, even though it may not be the actual view of the community in of itself.
Kudos to you my friend for trying to look smart but...it kinda made you look like an ass. In most cases the leader of a party or group does reflect the ideals of the MAJORATY of the party. That means most.
"why, why are there so many imbeciles that try to stand up for groups they don't even belong to in order to look smart?"
Thats and easy question
They do it cause instead of thinking themselves they do whatever Marcuse and his diciples at frankfurt school tells them to do. Essentially they are braindead and only looks for things that feel good while pretending to care about others. Protesting like they do is addictive like a drug.
But i dont agree with your conclusion: Political leaders dont always speak the mind of their followers. But it is the political leaders that are in a position to affect politics, not the followers.
For example, the majority of the german ppl did not infact support Hitlers idéa of the "final solution". But does that matter to the millions of jews that where killed?
I have begun to change my mind on certain things in my videos and you have raised one of them. There is a subtlty I lacked in most of these videos that I have begun to grasp. It has been about a year since my last video; I will begin posting again in September!
I appreciate you posting this video and responding to this myth that feminists are "femnazis who hate all men"...I think your argument could have been made stronger, however...The truth is, feminism is not about hating men, and feminists don't in fact hate all men. I think this has more to do of a perception by many men who don't understand feminism and who feel threatened by it. A lot has to do with a concept of "male privilege" and dominance that feminists are trying to challenge...
...I ran out of space, I'd also like to point out, also, that feminists don't hate men, but they hate misogyny and the oppressive system of patriarchy that men represent. I'd recommend the blog "feminism 101" which examines the myth that "feminism is about hating men" (link: finallyfeminism101(dot)wordpress(dot com)/2007/03/10/faq-why-do-you-feminists-hate-men/ )
take out the (dot com) and (dot) add "." ".com" It's a short analysis but I think the comments from other readers are informative
First off, feminism IS about hating men, whether you want to admit it or not.
Secondly, feminism is about the Establishment of Matriarchy (women controlled society).
So next time you hear the cunts ranting about de Patriarchy and "male dominance", just remember what they have in mind to replace it.
You linked to some feminist apologist blog "finallyfeminist101"; big fucking deal. This is like the femcunts referring to a dictionary definition of feminism which may not be accurate.
And usually is not accurate (as it revolves around some fallacious idea that feminism = equality or feminism = equal rights with men, as opposed to feminism = movement to establish matriarchy)
But yet, femcunts direct us to these biased information and everything is suddenly supposed to be okay?
Masculinism = the undermining of MRA & equality of opportunity activism
Masculinism = bullshit propoganda
In short, masculinism is set to fail because it is founded entirely on a pack of fallacies and lies. Masculinism doesnt pose any kind of threat towards feminism, infact it strengthens feminism & gives feminism more purpose.
A political movement as opposed to say a race or a gender actually has an agenda and that agenda is decided by the leaders, not by the majority of the members. So defining feminism based on its leaders and the agenda they decide as opposed to what most feminists say is correct. What you say is simply incorrect or (if you know it already) an outright lie.
your rebuttal has no grounds you basically pretend that everything he said was questionable but you have no direct fact or argument to directly refute what he said, he used facts and statistics but you only retort by using personal opinions and many "ifs' and "perhaps" but no direct true rebuttal.
"Y'all are just missing the point that most modern, real feminists just want people of all genders to live peacefully together in a healthy environment of mutual respect."
No YOU are the one missing the point. It doesnt matter what the intentions are. Its the actual reality of the result that matters. It doesnt matter what feminist wants to accomplish, its WHAT they chose to do do accomplish it that matters.
Communists wanted to have equal societies End result: at least 100 million dead
Hey! Real Truth, let's take all the feminists, round them up and put them in prison! then rape them & force them to have babies! since all feminists HATE babies and just try to ruthlessly murder them all the time, it's the perfect punishment for them.
People like you and argus eyes are the reason we need a feminist movement.
Y'all are just missing the point that most modern, real feminists just want people of all genders to live peacefully together in a healthy environment of mutual respect.
I think you did a very good job of summing up Argus's main points, and I agree with you that feminism is more than any individual feminist or feminist subgroup. Argus's main problem is that he is constructing what he is calling feminism without logical procedure. He cannot sort his "problem" out and so makes appeals to emotions. That is why he only attracts positive comments from "boy groupies".
If you would like to see how far this generation of woman haters will go, check out my video!!Its called the Mikey Show Most Indecent Clear Channel DJ. My video shows how this anti female attitude has spilled over into insensitivity toward the rape of small children, many young men dont see anything wrong with raping woman and almost as many or maybe the same ones think that raping childrn is no problem also. Check out this popular corporate DJ, pedophelia and rape have mainstreamed. Watch it!
Iwentdowntheriver seems to be arguing semantics too much. The real problem is that quite a number of powerful people who regularly get their views published have hateful views about men. These views affect lawmaking, and are reflected in newspapers and sitcoms for example. The dominant social stereotype of a man seems to be that he is an incompetant buffoon, and quite possibly sexually perverted. I can't think of a good one. Whatever label one uses to describe these ideas, they are harmful.
I think you did an unconvincing job of defending the quotes by Andrea Dworkin and Robin Morgan. They are classic examples of where anger against an oppressive system or class has been taken to a personal level. I have no doubt that both of these women would be quick to judge me personally as a rapist and sexist just by the fact that I am male. My conundrum is that I want so badly to support all movements for equal opportunity without having to field these misguided personal attacks.
Feminists are baby murderers since they support abortion. So why should anybody listen to them. I say they should change the law and arrest every last one of them who support abortion.
I have some problems with extremists in the women's movement, but I don't consider them to be my enemies. But the religious right with it's anti-abortion anti-feminist agenda is the true enemy of all freedom loving people.
No im sorry you are wrong I guess you have some reason to believe a lie and all I can say is you should go to counseling and try to forgive yourself so you dont do it again. and if you have the urge to rape turn yourself in because its the same a murder no less grave a crime, not just for the victem but for the family.
you think that fucking raping someone should be an equal crime to KILLING SOMEBODY, WIPING THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, so that they no longer exist, so that they are a mere corpse in the ground! you are a fucking shithead. People can fucking recover from rape, NOT ONCE has somebody recovered from being killed
and what about pedophiles who abduct children and rape them, should we not execute them? The premis is that its not a problem to kill rapists because they are not really human anymore and its rather a mercy killing of the walking dead. many "primitive" cultures deal with rapists with capitol punishment, such as the inuit indians, who also have a very peaceful culture, because they eliminate human predators, no one can recover from being a rapist.
Absolutely! As others here have pointed out, the effects of rape can be severe (PTSD, suicide, etc). Have you ever met a rape victim? They will emphasize that you NEVER get over it. It is not something you forget, you learn to live with it IF you get support. Those that don't are doomed to a horrible existence of terror and fear. Unlike murder, where the victim at the very least has found peace, rape victims must live with the memory of it throughout their lives. IMO rape=murder, period.
Lots of research show that the TRAUMA after sexual assaults are in big part the result of how the society reacts to victims of such. If the victim dont react strong enough, an army of psycho-people try to FORCE the preferred reaction from them. Popular culture basically claims if something terrible happens to you and you dont "handle" it you are a smoking bomb. People doesnt have free choice cause everywhere "interpreters" interpret anything not in their tehory as "sick"
I just copy and pasted info from the effects of rape in refrence to the women of darfur, so I dont know anythin about darfur culture or their doctors.
I like to respond with logic like animals who are sexually assaulted exibit the same stress symptoms as humans, but what we need to talk about is your sickness. you need to seek proffesional help immediatly, if you dont trust proffesional help then you can recieve free help from your church. your thinking is very desturbing and is a symptom of a deep evil, there is something gravely wrong with you, please reach out you know that you cannot handle this yourself so pic up the phone right now.
No you are missing the point, the old feminists were ousted from the movement by man-haters. Today any ORGANIZED feminism IS hating men and being PC (basically the same) the original stuff is GONE! Only the name remains.
No, I just read books written by women who are professors and teachers in womens studies but obviously according to you Katherine Young doesnt know her subject, neither do Daphne Patai, and Warren Farrell (who was on the NOW board) doesnt know shit either. Clearly you accuse everyone of lying?
Ok again you people are discussing a big fraud. There are two kinds of feminists today, the traditional real ones (lessing, sommers, young, farrell etc) who were part of original movement and PRETEND ones whose real agenda is political correctness. The pretend ones are the ones in power of todays feminism. They think higher of women than of men (real feminism was about women being equal to men, fake feminism is all about social control)
No, actually the older feminists were the victim mentality reactionary sort. Third wave feminism is more accepting. Look it up. I am curious, who are these feminists that are running the government everyone is talking about? I agree, on issues of abuse, sexual assault and domestic violence there is still a bias from this older feminism in the courts. And First wave feminism wasn't called such until second wave feminism came about.
Psychologically - Rape Trauma Syndrome and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, injurious sexual/health behaviours (smoking or unprotected sex with multiple partners, prostitution and alcohol/drug abuse).
Emotionally - humiliation, guilt, shame, embarrassment, self-blame, anger and helplessness.
Rape is a war crime, and should a capital offense. I think ill lobby for that next. The KKK was brought down because the leader raped his secretary and she killed herself, as do many victems, and when the govenrnment investigated he confessed all their illegal activity he kept track of in a little black book. it reminds me of the mra of today, I would love to see misandry dot coms black book.
argus you asked so I did some research on impact of rape:Physically - pelvic inflammatory disease, chronic pelvic pain, asthma, irritable bowel syndrome, partial or permanent disability, even delayed physical effects such as arthritis, hypertension unwanted pregnancy including teenage pregnancy resulting in pregnancy complications/premature labour, miscarriage, low-birthright babies with reduced chances of survival and maternal mortality from excessive bleeding of infection, STDs HIV death.
Just one question. Here in the United States, the larger cities have shelters for battered wives. Does Afghanistan have any? Many people here frown on Islam for the way its adherents treat women. I believe the issue needs to be addressed to a greater extent than it is.
my husband is a male feminist and is very proud to be one of the best and the brightest in the world, the greatest poets, thinkers, intellectuals and artists from history have been male feminists, john lennon, 2pac, curt cobain, john stuart mill(who supposedly was the smartest man ever born iq 245)frederick douglass who escaped from slavery and became a great speaker and writer, he was the one who convinced lincoln to free the slaves, he spent the rest of his life working for the vote for women.
Feminism was created by men to get women out of the house and into the workforce. That way the State could educate you kids.
The patriarchy is now the elite international banking male cabal! Women are trading a husband, for the communist police state, which is one terror attack away from complete despotism!
Hey Dutch, all but 13 of your posts have been forever removed from the problems with feminis thread. I hope you didn't spend too much time writing all that. The internet needs less hate and crud anyway, consider me a pruner of rubbish.
Still up to your old games eh Dutch. For that, I'm going to delete every post you made on the problems with feminism thread.
River, you would do well to ban this cunt from your threads. He is a dangerous individual and hurt and would stop at no lengths to destroy those who disagree with him.
I am going to be researching on the internet about the effects of rape so it will take a while for me to answer back.I have found a few other websites relating to proving what i have said and what i will say correct.
Thank you Iwentdowntotheriver, very nice response, intelligent and well thought out. As for arguseyes quote "when did rape become one of the worst things that can.....doesn't involve excessive physical abuse. Rape is excessive physical and mental abuse.
Andrea Dworkin was an ex-prostitute and experienced the worst or at least one of the worst things that men do to women so therefore she was speaking from her own perspective.When there is not complete respect for every women in society then women still have not achieved full equality.
I'm probably gonna get stoned for saying this. But when did rape become one of the worst things that can happen to women? It doesn't involve excessive physical abuse, consequences such as pregnancy can be resolved through abortion. And the worst part of it seems to be psychological, in which case, the personality of the person dictates how quickly they get over that.
This is not to say that it is not a horrible crime (as people are going to say that I didn't say that -- you watch), but I think it is one that is much overplayed.
Similar to yourself Argus, rape is something that is a horrible crime - no doubt - but it is so overplayed and over dramatized by feminists, that it has lost practically all meaning.
If I were raped, yeah - I'm sure i'd be damn angry at for a LONG time, but it would be better than death or losing a limb in war, etc.
To Arguseyes and Matthewskarl,rape is a life and death issue for the victim.People have committed suicide over been raped and this does not make them any more psychologically weaker than anyone else.I,ve heard of people who have killed themselves years after they have suffered rape as a child.Also people who have been raped as adults.Adult men verry rarely get raped by other adult men and never get raped by women so you two do not know what you are talking about.
And men have committed suicide over false allegations. Women do rape men, though not as often, please cease with the lies. You're not fooling me. In fact, the film '40 nights' makes light of female on male rape.
Oh one more thought, Argus you claim to be celibate but I venture to guess you're really an "internexual" or "virtualsexual." Which term do you like better. its not celibacy if you masterbate to porn. its some new age derangement. Now that you read this you can discard it before anyone sees it. Can't take the truth, weak very weak!
The aim of the morning after pill is to prevent or stop conception and I agree with it only in the case of rape and this shoulfd be done as soon after the rape as possible.I suspect the reason why you support abortion is for men to have a promiscuous 'lifestyle' without having to provide for a child or children that is 50% genetically their son or daughter.
I have read that rape is a 5-10 year recovery if the victem doesnt die from the pts symptoms which include recless unprotected sex, drug use, suicide, and total loss of self identity and worth, entering abusive relationships and the sex trade and prostitutes dont live very long so yeah its basically attempted murder, and if the victem survives its to her credit, but not all do. this info is from the effects of rape on the women in darfur.
"Consequences such as pregnancy can be resolved through abortion".Actually it cant be resolved through abortion-you talk about abortion as if it is some kind of quick fix-which it in fact it isn,t.You obviously haven,t done any research on the negative health consequences that abortion causes to women.Rape is not something that anyone can "get over".
It does invove excessive physical abuse.The rapist beats the woman,uses knives,uses a gun,has accomplices in order to get the victim to be helpless.Actually consequences such as pregnancy can,t be resolved through abortion.Abortion damages women.I would agree with the morning after pill administered in a hospital and under the supervision of a doctor as the morning after pill is potentially fatal and causes heavy bleeding.
Responsibility for children puts a restriction or a complete stop on an adult being promiscuous as it takes up the time.I said "i suspect" as you did say in one of your cooments on your own video that women are "fuck holes" therefore you are of the unjustifiable belief system that women are inferior to men-which they are not.
my husband is reading over my shoulder argus and he wants to know if you are a rapist trying to minimize having destroyed someones life of just really stupid.
Womwn in prostitution are forced to do so by pimps and are also drug addicted and alcoholic and severely poor so it is not a choice that they make for themselves.Plus it is made difficult for a woman to get out of it no matter how she gets into it.
one minute you're saying they only get in that position by force - then you say they can't get out "no matter how she gets into it". Many prostitutes do make that choice, many have normal daytime jobs and prostitution is just a bit extra pocket-money.
It is in only small number of women and girls who choose to get into prostitution and the reason is drug addiction and poverty.And if a girl/woman was not addicted before she was in prostitution, the pimp causes her to become a junkie because this keeps her obedient to the pimp.
"When there is not complete respect for every women in society" Just as not 'every' man deserves respect, the same is true for women. Not 'every' woman deserves to be respected.. People make their own life choices, blaming a class (men) for their poor decisions is no one's but their own fault.
The sad thing (in today's age,that is) is that a woman has a higher chance to become successfully pregnant when raped. If you stop and think about it, if every woman could stop a man from inseminating her, then NOone would ever be born. I'm not advocating rape,but thne again,you can't reform biology. also I know some women who have "rape" fantasies (although consent to that wouldn't be rape, would it?).
I'm talking about prehistory, in the hunter/gatherer mode, BEFORE pills, and condoms. You tell a horny hunter/gatherer not to have sex,and you'd probabably get a bludgeon to the head.
Men also deprive other men of their rights and boy children.When I said that a woman can,t get out no matter how she gets into it-this is because she is controlled by the pimp through violence, drug adiction and threats and actual rape.And no matter how anyone got into this situation,no one desrves to be raped ,abused or killed.how they have sex which is different from They dont get the choice to decide when,where or someone who is just promiscuous
"Many prostitutes do make that choice,many have normal daytime jobs and prostitution is just a bit extra pocket money".Completely untrue and you have been believing the myths propagated by the media in the western world.
You support feminazis and therefore you are gay. Views of one do in fact represent a whole group. Its a fact. Feminists are that example. Feminism is NOT about equality its about exterminating average straight men.
You're 24 and you thought that that would be a good or clever insult? I wonder if you're not actually 10. By the way, nice channel: "My videos will probably give you the impression that I'm a pervert, but I swear I'm not." I think you need less Internet and more life; you'd find that you'd no longer feel compelled to bounce around randomly on the Internet, "insulting" people simply for the sake of "insulting" them.
Reason is of course of value. But when we use reason, we reason using evidence. Only when no relevant evidence is available do we rely solely on reason.
Women who identify themselves as feminists are most likely to be women born in the 1950's, and few socio-economic factors seem to effect such self-identification. Previous studies did find, however, that white, educated, middle class women are most likely to call themselves feminists. Where is the majority of chaff you claim exists in this movement? (Who Are Feminists and What Do They Believe?, Schnittker, Freese, Powell, 2003.)
Interesting, sure, but again you have to study the study per se to have a complete understanding of the significance of the information that it is presenting. Moreover I would argue that all statistics are invalid until the study per se has been investigated, and in many cases that probably isn't even an option. Again I refer back to the example Argus gave, in which the question that was asked was not actually one of rape, yet that was what it was counted as in the study.
How would you define rape? I think 'non-consensual sex' is as close a definition as one can get. The study I cite seems statistically valid, I studied statistics and how to ensure validity during my undergrad. Please show me how the study is invalid, I would love to know. As I have stated in a different video, I really want to cite sources as opinion is cheap. I try never to cite 'cheap' sources such as wikipedia, and only do so when none other is available.
Lack of evidence is not evidence. The question was phrased like, "Did you ever have sex that you didn't want to have?" Explain to me how that is proof of a rape. It's funny how you took the side of reason and I am now asking for evidence for something. Looks like we just want to win an argument. :)
Feminist: A person whose beliefs and behavior are based on feminism. Feminism: the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. The question is: What percentage of those women could actually be considered feminists? If I'm a Christian, is simply stating that I believe in God good enough?
To the first question I'd say that we have no good way of knowing who out of all those women have actually earned the title, thus I refer back to statistics as always being broken in some way.
Here it seems to me as if you're redefining "reason" to mean something less general. Anyway, I would argue that reason comes before evidence; our perception is practically always there prior to any actual evidence. I think I am a reasonable perceiver. Do you think it's reasonable to assume that most feminists are well-read on the subject? Do you think most Christian moderates have even read the bibles cover-to-cover?
"Feminists" have a lot more reading to do than that before I would even dare legitimize them within such a movement, and I simply don't see that as the current reality, based on reason, thus we get chaff, lots of it, as is to be expected as quantity over quality is just the way things work within humanity.
When will feminists know, empirically, that their movement has succeeded? When will they know with certainty that the feminist movement has done what it set out to do? How will this be gauged in reality, globally? What will society look like?
Now this is the kind of question we should be asking. Do you see how this question investigates feminism's principles rather then attacking the members of the movement, and so is much more constructive? To answer your question, I have no short answer. I will think about it though and get back to you.
I dont understand what you said, open more your mouth and speak slowly.
Hulkmania316 1 year ago
Amazing there are still people not in their gut knowing that feminazi is the correct term. This is demonstration of some sort of massive information deficit or psyhological pathology. If it's information you lack go to angryharry d ot co m and read his list of feminist nazi unifiers.
Smackbox 1 year ago
2 middle fingers 4 U!
U male vagina!
maatwerk67 2 years ago
""I try to show that the views of a leadership do not necessarily reflect the views of the ideology as a whole.""
So? That's like a mild-racist member of the KKK wasting time trying to point out that there are differing levels and types of racism in the KK.
Any person who supports the ideology's leaders is taking on responsibility for the overall characteristics of the ideology.
AlekNovy 2 years ago 2
fair play for putting up this video :) Just wanted to say that.
rargus 3 years ago
"Well according to ... you, any male criticism of feminism is "misogyny"."
Nope, that is not accurate. Men and women are quite free to criticise or question feminism. That is not misogony. That is critical engagement, and requires negotiating with ideas.
Compare that with the hatred towards women/feminism you express. You dont critically engage. You obliterate. You'd rather fire abuse at feminists than articulate what it is about feminism that unsettles you. That IS misogony.
WAKE UP!!!
PoetryEater 3 years ago
@PoetryEater
Yawn. You look familiar my dear. :)
TheArthen 2 years ago 3
If...you are disliking anything a woman does or stands for you are being misogynist. Misogyny is a misanthrope who dislikes women in particular. Therefore, to say that males who dislike feminism is not a misogynist is incorrect.
XSeekerXofXTruthX 2 years ago
When you look deeper into what these people are suggesting you will see there is a definite blur beween when they mean 'feminist' and when they mean 'women'. And since feminism is the discourse of women and the study OF women then you will see that the ideas are clearly linked with hatred of women and what they do.
PoetryEater 2 years ago
No idea what dictionary you own.... Mine defines misogyny as the hatred of women.
Where is this dictionary that defines misogyny as "firing abuse at feminists without articulating?"
The whole "if you don't agree with feminists, you hate women" routine is really running out of steam for two reasons
-The percentage of women who identify as feminists is dropping at amazing speeds (and it had never, not even a moment reached 51%, ever)
-There are more and more women posting anti-feminist videos
AlekNovy 2 years ago
On the contrary, they are accurate. I don't care if you agree with them or not.
Accurate language is something I strive for, unlike PC language stifflers like you.
floydianworld 3 years ago
So, you would be quite ok, if your father said to your mother, 'you're a cunt woman, get in the fucking kitchen'. That would be 'accurate' by your standards right?
PoetryEater 3 years ago
I think you misunderstand the use of the term. Cunt should be applied only to women who are cunts, like you. It shouldn't be used in reference to all or any females.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Only a fucking fool would think (i) there are real genuine differentiated "factions" within feminism [in actuality it is a monolith] and that (ii) feminism is not in theory and practice equatable with misandry.
floydianworld 3 years ago
That is after studying the subject in reasonable depth of course. Anyone who comes out of the Feminist School System or consumes Judeofeminist Mass Media will not have any proper understanding of feminism. They will receive simple dogma from both sources which they are not expected to question or intellectually analyse.
floydianworld 3 years ago
See, right there, where you use the word "femcunts", thats an example of misogony. Its not just derogatory to feminists, but to everything female or feminine too.
Find a word in anything I've written that shows the same measure of contempt for men. If you can find it, then you probably have reason to believe me a man-hater. But you won't find it. Me calling you out for what you are is based on how you use words like that to hurt people and that doen't make me a misandrist.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
"See, right there, where you use the word "femcunts", thats an example of misogony."
No it's not, it's descriptive.
floydianworld 3 years ago
It is not just vulgar - its obscene.
Just like equating feminists with nazi's through the term 'feminazi'. The Nazi's and the holocaust is hardly comparible to feminism. Hitler & the Thrid Reich is possibly the most wrong thing that ever happened in the 20thC. And it is equally obscene to link the Nazi's with the feminists. I mean, you can disagree, you can criticise feminism, but saying all feminists are cunts or Nazi's is a completely ridiculous claim, without reason, logic nor proof.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Quit the charade, PoetryEater cunt. You are not fooling anyone.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Femishits construct that false distinction constantly. They know its a false distinction too.
floydianworld 3 years ago
"Matriarchy:
a family, group, or state governed by a matriarch
a system of social organization in which descent and inheritance are traced through the female line"
That's an inaccurate definition designed to paint Matriarchy in a positive benign light, probably lifted from a feminist text book.
(Femishits always run to fraudulent dictionary definitions as the be all and end all when their arguments start to fall apart.)
Matriarchy = Gynocracy = Society ruled by women.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Lifted from the dictionary you misogonist.
Anyway, the fact that you deny that men are not victims of abuse (claiming it 'ungenuine') says it all about the quality of thought that goes on in your brain, and the depth of compassion in your heart.
You are a misogonist brute. And not much more than that.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Well the dictionary practically is a feminist textbook.
All you need to do is look at its definition for "feminism" to prove that.
(Another thing femishits love to run to when in desperation.)
floydianworld 3 years ago
That's not what I said. Either you didn't read what I said properly or you've a hard time discerning the spirit of what I'm trying to say.
The point I was making is that you are making this false distinction between the "true misandrists" (bad feminists) and the wider feminist community.
In other words, you are using "abused men" in a conceited, ungenuine attempt at compromise.
floydianworld 3 years ago
In frank, floyd, I've read quite enough. If you can't tell the difference between a misandrist and a feminist, and if you're so unwilling to take a look at some feminist discourse to find out the truth, then who am I to burst your conspiracy theory bubble.
However, I would encourage you to look past the masculinist anti-feminist bull crap and engage in learning more of the MRA, who have a genuine care for individual growth and social stability.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Can't tell the difference? There is no difference. That's the whole point you fucking bollox.
I have looked at lots of feminist discourses in its many different supposed "differentiations" (radical, nonrad, moderate, etc.). Its precisely because I am aware of the protocol of feminist discourse and intention that I have reached the conclusions I have.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Since you're conclusion is that there is no distinguishing between feminist and misandrist tell us all how you came to that conclusion. I'll go get a nice glass of Malbec and you can explain it to us.
Please try to refrain from women-hating in your reply, pretty please, sugar on top, no misogony please.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
"Please try to refrain from women-hating in your reply, pretty please, sugar on top, no misogony please."
Well according to femcunts like you, any male criticism of feminism is "misogyny" so I won't be following those guidelines.
"Since you're conclusion is that there is no distinguishing between feminist and misandrist tell us all how you came to that conclusion."
Reading an array of feminists texts and statements.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Also, when you're expressing such contempt for women like that you're doing exactly what the author of this video explicitly asks us not to. Calling somebody a 'femcunt' is no different from calling them a feminazi. They're both derogatory and hostile terms. I don't agree with them. You're equating fem with female, and cunt with women. What man in his right mind would call a woman a cunt to her face? She is a woman therefore nothing more than a vagina/cunt? A female feminist cunt - even worse?
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Can we not make the word cunt empowering?
XSeekerXofXTruthX 2 years ago
Also, Patriarchy is around for only about 3000 years. Before that it was a Matriarchal Primitivist Pagan cesspit. Now we have turned full circle and are back in such a society again. Back in the Matriarchal Stone Age.
Matriarchy (i.e. Feminism, Gynocentricism) has a history of ages - not thousands of years of Matriarchy. To argue that it is "only 150 years old" is absolutely ridiculous. It had an interruption yes, but arguing that it is 150 years old is a joke.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Should read:
*Matriarchy (i.e. Feminism, Gynocentricism) has a history of ages - not thousands of years of PATRIARCHY.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Matriarchy:
a family, group, or state governed by a matriarch
a system of social organization in which descent and inheritance are traced through the female line
Patriarchy:
social organization marked by the supremacy of the father in the clan or family, the legal dependence of wives and children, and the reckoning of descent and inheritance in the male line ; broadly : control by men of a disproportionately large share of power.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Do you see the difference in those definitions Floyd? Have you any comprehension of why they are so different?
You don't see, "Little feminist bitch reflecting her man-hatred back on men" under the definition for feminist, matriarch or gynocentricism do you? If you look up feminist does it say 'misandrist'?
What do you find in the dictionary if you look up the definition of masculinist?
You'd find: an advocate of male superiority or dominance.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Like I've stated before, Floyd, Masculinism and anti-feminism are just words to mask the hatred you have for women. To some extent it appears that you think its ok to call a feminist woman a 'femicunt', 'cunt', 'femishit', 'femgina', 'vagina', 'bitch', etc etc. This type of behaviour is termed misogony. And you, you're a misogonist with delusions of grandeur, and a total lack of understanding of feminism.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
That's where you are wrong. I have a proper undertanding of feminism, you know this and you don't like it.
You understand it too, but you constantly misrepresent in even though you are aware of its true nature.
As I said, I don't know who I hate more.. The upfront "I hate men" feminists of the 1970s or the masquerading "I hate men, but don't articulate it publically" feminists like you.
floydianworld 3 years ago
There are REAL misandrists out there Floyd. And they are abusing men right now. But instead of working like the MRA & feminist groups do to help these victims of abuse, you point your hatred toward the very people who are advocating awareness for their plight and offering them aid in overcoming the abuses they have survived.
I think YOU deserve the big FUCK YOU along with the rest of the misogonists and misandrist feminazi's assholes out there.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Guess what femishit? I don't think a shit what you think.
And this rhetorical attempt at compromise:
"There are REAL misandrists out there Floyd. And they are abusing men right now."
Don't even bother including ungenuine bullshit like that.
All feminism is at its core the same. End of.
Only feminists living in fantasy land (and rooting for more power) will argue otherwise.
floydianworld 3 years ago
"Sure feminism is gynocentric. In fact gynocentricism (in the West) is only 150 years old in comparisson with patriarchy's fallocentricism which is archaic."
And hence man hating-femishits like you are exposed. You claim as a "nonradfem-TM" to speak for "EQUALITEE", for men and women, yet you do not dispense with your gynocentricism which is central to your politics and ideology.
You claim to be on neutral ground, but you are anything but.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Man-hating is an assumption you make about me. I dont hate you for your sex, I don't even hate you, I just think you're an ass because you spout misogonist and an anti-feminist hatred.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
I know it from the tone and content of your posts, in addition to the declaration that you are a feminist.
floydianworld 3 years ago
"Feminism is not feminazi(ism), you do see the difference between them right"
All feminism is the same. The creation of multiple feminist "distinctions" (good feminism, radical, moderate, liberal, feminazi, etc.) is nothing but a bullshit false paradigm.
floydianworld 3 years ago
"you give men a bad reputation."
Little feminist bitch reflecting her man-hatred back on men... WHEN IT RESOLVES IN NO-ONE BUT HERSELF.
floydianworld 3 years ago
"Feminism has everything to do with establishing a matriarchy and making men into bitches"
That's a spot on summary actually; well done.
"Let your side down"..
Give up that Matronising language. I'll decide what "my side" is and how I should approach it.
floydianworld 3 years ago
"[masculinism] strengthens feminism & gives feminism more purpose."
That's what women/femishits have been saying since approximately 1957. But the fact of the matter is feminism can run exclusively on the female anti-menism and woman-firstism. It doesn't need to "react" to masculinity. Rather it uses Masculinity and Patriarchy as cover for their supremacist revolutionary activism.
floydianworld 3 years ago
You're so very wrong in your brainwashed state.
Masculinism is no threat. Misogony always taints your vision. Why you cannot just face the fact that feminism has nothing to do with establishing a matriarchy and making men into bitches. Masculinism is actually a really good thing for men, that is, until it gets tainted my mysoginists like you. You severely let your side down and you give men a bad reputation.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Feminism = misandry
Feminism = universal female supremacy
Feminism = female dominance over mens rights (Constitutional, as in VAWA, and otherwise)
Feminism = the undermining of male-female relations, gaining more female power under the guise of "equality"
Feminism = bullshit leftist propaganda
Feminists = disgusting gynocentric leftists like you
floydianworld 3 years ago
You are 90% wrong in all of the above. Masculinism is not the opposite of feminism in any shape or form. Feminism is not feminazi(ism), you do see the difference between them right? Also do you see how the feminazi (misandrist) and the masculinist (misoginist) are two sides of the same coin?
Sure feminism is gynocentric. In fact gynocentricism (in the West) is only 150 years old in comparisson with patriarchy's fallocentricism which is archaic.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
how come my comments aren't showing up, I just tried posting the end part of my comment, but it's not showing up, wtf?!
meeneecat 3 years ago
I think there's also a space in "wordpress" between the e and ss...I hate how you can't post links on this site. (anyway you gotta take out that space too) sorry 'bout that. You could always google "feminism 101" and "why do you feminists hate men"...it should be the first link.
meeneecat 3 years ago
hmm...guess it was asking for too much that everyone comment logically huh river....oh well..
yeah, i was considering making a similar video myself because, although i do feel argus has some strong and relevent points, he is also using quotes as amunition rather than evidence.
feminist discourse is written by theorists, it is not an exact science and no two 'feminists' share exactly the same ideals. we just study these womens writings to learn a little more of our human paradigm.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
it just so happens that feminism is a very recent school of thought, only gaining momentum & weight after the sufferogettes won womens right to vote. i think this reminder is extermely current in terms of politics this week, where the USA has appointed its first black president.
unlike the USA, feminism has no elect leaders, it only has activists and liturgical contributers who offer their critique on history, society, politic, body & culture from a gynocentric perspective.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
historically, women had no voice or social status in the west. they were silenced and bound to the confines of their bodies and the domestic sphere. if it were not for a select few women thinkers women might still be caught up in the following predicament;
taught from their infancy that beauty is a womans sceptre, the mind shapes itself to the body and roaming round its gilt cage, only seeks to adore its prison.
Mary Wollstonecraft
A Vindication of the Rights of Woman 1792
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Re: ponyeater...Yup, I was thinking the same thing, it's pointless to expect anyone here to think logically. The "men" here seem to think they can speak knowledgeably about feminism...as if they know what feminism is about...they have no clue, they don't study it, nor are they feminists. All they have is an immature feeling of superiority that is a product of "white male privilege" and fear. It's sad that misogyny is still so accepted and still so widespread.
meeneecat 3 years ago
Meeneecat,
I know. I'm getting really bored of the blokes on YT who pretend to be M R activists in order to perpetuate their racist-misogonistic-homophobic bull crap.
The important thing is that we feminists know what we're about and are active advocats for both the rights of women and men.
Irrespective of penis worshiping masculinists, I don't care if misoginistic masculinists think feminism = feminazi cunt because they prove lunatics like Andrea Dworkin right.
And thats freakin hilareous!
PoetryEater 3 years ago
...I recall Argus saying 'categorically' in his video. He knows not ALL fem. are anti-men to an extreme. However, when their leaders believe in such extremes, it ultimately defines their their ultimate views and motives, even though it may not be the actual view of the community in of itself.
actracts 3 years ago
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Men and women are equal but in different ways. The sexes are different you cannot
deny this and each has strengths and weaknesses.
"Equity" doesn't mean being the same!
I would never expect or ask a woman to mow the lawn in blistering heat/shovel the snow in freezing cold
I would gladly do it to please her and get the job done
Just as she should perform tasks that she is more apt than I am!
This way of life will make both partners happy ! Compared to bickering couples today.
concujak 3 years ago 2
Kudos to you my friend for trying to look smart but...it kinda made you look like an ass. In most cases the leader of a party or group does reflect the ideals of the MAJORATY of the party. That means most.
oniognome96 3 years ago
"why, why are there so many imbeciles that try to stand up for groups they don't even belong to in order to look smart?"
Thats and easy question
They do it cause instead of thinking themselves they do whatever Marcuse and his diciples at frankfurt school tells them to do. Essentially they are braindead and only looks for things that feel good while pretending to care about others. Protesting like they do is addictive like a drug.
benattis 3 years ago
This was a sensible video.
But i dont agree with your conclusion: Political leaders dont always speak the mind of their followers. But it is the political leaders that are in a position to affect politics, not the followers.
For example, the majority of the german ppl did not infact support Hitlers idéa of the "final solution". But does that matter to the millions of jews that where killed?
s031720 3 years ago
I have begun to change my mind on certain things in my videos and you have raised one of them. There is a subtlty I lacked in most of these videos that I have begun to grasp. It has been about a year since my last video; I will begin posting again in September!
iwentdowntotheriver 3 years ago
I appreciate you posting this video and responding to this myth that feminists are "femnazis who hate all men"...I think your argument could have been made stronger, however...The truth is, feminism is not about hating men, and feminists don't in fact hate all men. I think this has more to do of a perception by many men who don't understand feminism and who feel threatened by it. A lot has to do with a concept of "male privilege" and dominance that feminists are trying to challenge...
meeneecat 3 years ago
...I ran out of space, I'd also like to point out, also, that feminists don't hate men, but they hate misogyny and the oppressive system of patriarchy that men represent. I'd recommend the blog "feminism 101" which examines the myth that "feminism is about hating men" (link: finallyfeminism101(dot)wordpress(dot com)/2007/03/10/faq-why-do-you-feminists-hate-men/ )
take out the (dot com) and (dot) add "." ".com" It's a short analysis but I think the comments from other readers are informative
meeneecat 3 years ago
First off, feminism IS about hating men, whether you want to admit it or not.
Secondly, feminism is about the Establishment of Matriarchy (women controlled society).
So next time you hear the cunts ranting about de Patriarchy and "male dominance", just remember what they have in mind to replace it.
You linked to some feminist apologist blog "finallyfeminist101"; big fucking deal. This is like the femcunts referring to a dictionary definition of feminism which may not be accurate.
floydianworld 3 years ago
And usually is not accurate (as it revolves around some fallacious idea that feminism = equality or feminism = equal rights with men, as opposed to feminism = movement to establish matriarchy)
But yet, femcunts direct us to these biased information and everything is suddenly supposed to be okay?
Get fucking real you whining commie cunts.
floydianworld 3 years ago
First off Floyd,
Masculinism = misogony
Masculinism = white male supremacy
Masculinism = male dominance over womens rights
Masculinism = the undermining of MRA & equality of opportunity activism
Masculinism = bullshit propoganda
In short, masculinism is set to fail because it is founded entirely on a pack of fallacies and lies. Masculinism doesnt pose any kind of threat towards feminism, infact it strengthens feminism & gives feminism more purpose.
So keep spouting verbal vomit, you douche.
PoetryEater 3 years ago
Right and Feminism = All that is fair and dandy...
Eat shit you feminist asshole.
floydianworld 3 years ago
Strawman arguement? Hmm...
Supermooper 3 years ago
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SHOOT ALL FEMMINISTS
MasterPervy123 3 years ago
OH shut up.
aprilschone1 3 years ago
LOL Shoot All Feminsts
MasterPervy123 3 years ago
So here is the easy version for people whose idea of debate is twisting words:
Men: Is not a movement but a gender and has no agenda, is defined by majority
Women: Is not a movement but a gender and has no agenda, is defined by majority
Feminism: Is a movement, has an agenda set by its leaders and is defined by the reality of that agenda
Nazism: Is a movement, has an agenda set by its leaders and is defined by the reality of that agenda
benattis 3 years ago
So fighting against subordination and oppression is equal to Nazism?
Feminism may not be as relevent today but there are still inadequacies with our social structure.
liesha20 3 years ago
A political movement as opposed to say a race or a gender actually has an agenda and that agenda is decided by the leaders, not by the majority of the members. So defining feminism based on its leaders and the agenda they decide as opposed to what most feminists say is correct. What you say is simply incorrect or (if you know it already) an outright lie.
benattis 3 years ago
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fadersverige 3 years ago
I'll say it again for those who refuse to listen.
I don't hate men! SHOCK HORROR
but this video is fairly okay.
usernameabz 3 years ago
your rebuttal has no grounds you basically pretend that everything he said was questionable but you have no direct fact or argument to directly refute what he said, he used facts and statistics but you only retort by using personal opinions and many "ifs' and "perhaps" but no direct true rebuttal.
Rooseveltdunn 3 years ago
"Y'all are just missing the point that most modern, real feminists just want people of all genders to live peacefully together in a healthy environment of mutual respect."
No YOU are the one missing the point. It doesnt matter what the intentions are. Its the actual reality of the result that matters. It doesnt matter what feminist wants to accomplish, its WHAT they chose to do do accomplish it that matters.
Communists wanted to have equal societies End result: at least 100 million dead
benattis 3 years ago
Very well , put racists are more likely to vote republican but that does not make all republicans racist.
krissy4nik 3 years ago
Hey! Real Truth, let's take all the feminists, round them up and put them in prison! then rape them & force them to have babies! since all feminists HATE babies and just try to ruthlessly murder them all the time, it's the perfect punishment for them.
People like you and argus eyes are the reason we need a feminist movement.
Y'all are just missing the point that most modern, real feminists just want people of all genders to live peacefully together in a healthy environment of mutual respect.
gyrocentric 3 years ago
yay, another spineless male submissive. "hit me again mistress!"
Ironzealot7531 3 years ago
You can't refute criticisms of feminism by pretending that the word can't be defined.
VaderFly 3 years ago
I think you did a very good job of summing up Argus's main points, and I agree with you that feminism is more than any individual feminist or feminist subgroup. Argus's main problem is that he is constructing what he is calling feminism without logical procedure. He cannot sort his "problem" out and so makes appeals to emotions. That is why he only attracts positive comments from "boy groupies".
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ARNULFOZAMORA 3 years ago 3
oops repsonded on the wrong video...
XxDEFLESHEDxX 3 years ago
Iwentdowntheriver seems to be arguing semantics too much. The real problem is that quite a number of powerful people who regularly get their views published have hateful views about men. These views affect lawmaking, and are reflected in newspapers and sitcoms for example. The dominant social stereotype of a man seems to be that he is an incompetant buffoon, and quite possibly sexually perverted. I can't think of a good one. Whatever label one uses to describe these ideas, they are harmful.
georg1984 3 years ago
I am not the least bit concerned about any woman being rape if she is not concerned about women murdering babies at abortion clinics.
realtruthtoday 4 years ago
I think you did an unconvincing job of defending the quotes by Andrea Dworkin and Robin Morgan. They are classic examples of where anger against an oppressive system or class has been taken to a personal level. I have no doubt that both of these women would be quick to judge me personally as a rapist and sexist just by the fact that I am male. My conundrum is that I want so badly to support all movements for equal opportunity without having to field these misguided personal attacks.
prschuster 4 years ago
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ur a wanker trying to get some pussy
bbustinit 4 years ago
seriously...
St4yTru3 3 years ago
Feminists are baby murderers since they support abortion. So why should anybody listen to them. I say they should change the law and arrest every last one of them who support abortion.
realtruthtoday 4 years ago
abortion isnt murder
ziegfeldgirl12 4 years ago
Ur right abortion and murder are two very different things.
Shitmanlegs 4 years ago 2
Thank you. It's nice to have some support on this matter.
ziegfeldgirl12 4 years ago
I have some problems with extremists in the women's movement, but I don't consider them to be my enemies. But the religious right with it's anti-abortion anti-feminist agenda is the true enemy of all freedom loving people.
prschuster 4 years ago 3
amen...
collegeguy2009 3 years ago
Well done, sir!
underesteemed 4 years ago
No im sorry you are wrong I guess you have some reason to believe a lie and all I can say is you should go to counseling and try to forgive yourself so you dont do it again. and if you have the urge to rape turn yourself in because its the same a murder no less grave a crime, not just for the victem but for the family.
freespeeeech 4 years ago
you think that fucking raping someone should be an equal crime to KILLING SOMEBODY, WIPING THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, so that they no longer exist, so that they are a mere corpse in the ground! you are a fucking shithead. People can fucking recover from rape, NOT ONCE has somebody recovered from being killed
mviku1 4 years ago
and what about pedophiles who abduct children and rape them, should we not execute them? The premis is that its not a problem to kill rapists because they are not really human anymore and its rather a mercy killing of the walking dead. many "primitive" cultures deal with rapists with capitol punishment, such as the inuit indians, who also have a very peaceful culture, because they eliminate human predators, no one can recover from being a rapist.
freespeeeech 4 years ago
You've obviously never been raped.
ziegfeldgirl12 4 years ago
Absolutely! As others here have pointed out, the effects of rape can be severe (PTSD, suicide, etc). Have you ever met a rape victim? They will emphasize that you NEVER get over it. It is not something you forget, you learn to live with it IF you get support. Those that don't are doomed to a horrible existence of terror and fear. Unlike murder, where the victim at the very least has found peace, rape victims must live with the memory of it throughout their lives. IMO rape=murder, period.
womyncan 4 years ago
My post was supposed to be a reply to mviku1 but it didn't work. Sorry for the confusion.
womyncan 4 years ago
wlaaaaaa:
Lots of research show that the TRAUMA after sexual assaults are in big part the result of how the society reacts to victims of such. If the victim dont react strong enough, an army of psycho-people try to FORCE the preferred reaction from them. Popular culture basically claims if something terrible happens to you and you dont "handle" it you are a smoking bomb. People doesnt have free choice cause everywhere "interpreters" interpret anything not in their tehory as "sick"
benattis 4 years ago
I just copy and pasted info from the effects of rape in refrence to the women of darfur, so I dont know anythin about darfur culture or their doctors.
freespeeeech 4 years ago
I like to respond with logic like animals who are sexually assaulted exibit the same stress symptoms as humans, but what we need to talk about is your sickness. you need to seek proffesional help immediatly, if you dont trust proffesional help then you can recieve free help from your church. your thinking is very desturbing and is a symptom of a deep evil, there is something gravely wrong with you, please reach out you know that you cannot handle this yourself so pic up the phone right now.
wlaaaaa 4 years ago
Katlebz:
No you are missing the point, the old feminists were ousted from the movement by man-haters. Today any ORGANIZED feminism IS hating men and being PC (basically the same) the original stuff is GONE! Only the name remains.
benattis 4 years ago
ever read any basic women's studys?
I think not.
friendshipscabies 4 years ago
No, I just read books written by women who are professors and teachers in womens studies but obviously according to you Katherine Young doesnt know her subject, neither do Daphne Patai, and Warren Farrell (who was on the NOW board) doesnt know shit either. Clearly you accuse everyone of lying?
benattis 4 years ago
Ok again you people are discussing a big fraud. There are two kinds of feminists today, the traditional real ones (lessing, sommers, young, farrell etc) who were part of original movement and PRETEND ones whose real agenda is political correctness. The pretend ones are the ones in power of todays feminism. They think higher of women than of men (real feminism was about women being equal to men, fake feminism is all about social control)
benattis 4 years ago
Any feminist who thinks she is better than men simply because she is female is not a feminist.
Katlebz 4 years ago
No, actually the older feminists were the victim mentality reactionary sort. Third wave feminism is more accepting. Look it up. I am curious, who are these feminists that are running the government everyone is talking about? I agree, on issues of abuse, sexual assault and domestic violence there is still a bias from this older feminism in the courts. And First wave feminism wasn't called such until second wave feminism came about.
friendshipscabies 4 years ago
Psychologically - Rape Trauma Syndrome and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, injurious sexual/health behaviours (smoking or unprotected sex with multiple partners, prostitution and alcohol/drug abuse).
Emotionally - humiliation, guilt, shame, embarrassment, self-blame, anger and helplessness.
wlaaaaa 4 years ago
Rape is a war crime, and should a capital offense. I think ill lobby for that next. The KKK was brought down because the leader raped his secretary and she killed herself, as do many victems, and when the govenrnment investigated he confessed all their illegal activity he kept track of in a little black book. it reminds me of the mra of today, I would love to see misandry dot coms black book.
wlaaaaa 4 years ago
Always gotta lobby for something hmm?
ArgusEyes 4 years ago
argus you asked so I did some research on impact of rape:Physically - pelvic inflammatory disease, chronic pelvic pain, asthma, irritable bowel syndrome, partial or permanent disability, even delayed physical effects such as arthritis, hypertension unwanted pregnancy including teenage pregnancy resulting in pregnancy complications/premature labour, miscarriage, low-birthright babies with reduced chances of survival and maternal mortality from excessive bleeding of infection, STDs HIV death.
wlaaaaa 4 years ago
Just one question. Here in the United States, the larger cities have shelters for battered wives. Does Afghanistan have any? Many people here frown on Islam for the way its adherents treat women. I believe the issue needs to be addressed to a greater extent than it is.
BeatBuddy 4 years ago
my husband is a male feminist and is very proud to be one of the best and the brightest in the world, the greatest poets, thinkers, intellectuals and artists from history have been male feminists, john lennon, 2pac, curt cobain, john stuart mill(who supposedly was the smartest man ever born iq 245)frederick douglass who escaped from slavery and became a great speaker and writer, he was the one who convinced lincoln to free the slaves, he spent the rest of his life working for the vote for women.
wlaaaaa 4 years ago
Feminism was created by men to get women out of the house and into the workforce. That way the State could educate you kids.
The patriarchy is now the elite international banking male cabal! Women are trading a husband, for the communist police state, which is one terror attack away from complete despotism!
Verlch 4 years ago
I don't think you know what the definitions of capitalism, communism, fascism, socialism are.
freespeeeech 4 years ago
Come on, you know what the stupid tree looks like, you only hit every branch on the way down!!
lol....
Just kidding!
Verlch 4 years ago
Hey Dutch, all but 13 of your posts have been forever removed from the problems with feminis thread. I hope you didn't spend too much time writing all that. The internet needs less hate and crud anyway, consider me a pruner of rubbish.
ArgusEyes 4 years ago
Still up to your old games eh Dutch. For that, I'm going to delete every post you made on the problems with feminism thread.
River, you would do well to ban this cunt from your threads. He is a dangerous individual and hurt and would stop at no lengths to destroy those who disagree with him.
ArgusEyes 4 years ago
I am going to be researching on the internet about the effects of rape so it will take a while for me to answer back.I have found a few other websites relating to proving what i have said and what i will say correct.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
OK, good for you.
ArgusEyes 4 years ago
Thank you Iwentdowntotheriver, very nice response, intelligent and well thought out. As for arguseyes quote "when did rape become one of the worst things that can.....doesn't involve excessive physical abuse. Rape is excessive physical and mental abuse.
Myprivateuniverse 4 years ago 2
Andrea Dworkin was an ex-prostitute and experienced the worst or at least one of the worst things that men do to women so therefore she was speaking from her own perspective.When there is not complete respect for every women in society then women still have not achieved full equality.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
Of COURSE she hated men. If you prositute for a while you hate men, just like a dishwasher hates washing dishes. Duh.
evelsteev 4 years ago
I'm probably gonna get stoned for saying this. But when did rape become one of the worst things that can happen to women? It doesn't involve excessive physical abuse, consequences such as pregnancy can be resolved through abortion. And the worst part of it seems to be psychological, in which case, the personality of the person dictates how quickly they get over that.
ArgusEyes 4 years ago
This is not to say that it is not a horrible crime (as people are going to say that I didn't say that -- you watch), but I think it is one that is much overplayed.
ArgusEyes 4 years ago
Similar to yourself Argus, rape is something that is a horrible crime - no doubt - but it is so overplayed and over dramatized by feminists, that it has lost practically all meaning.
If I were raped, yeah - I'm sure i'd be damn angry at for a LONG time, but it would be better than death or losing a limb in war, etc.
mathewskarl 4 years ago
To Arguseyes and Matthewskarl,rape is a life and death issue for the victim.People have committed suicide over been raped and this does not make them any more psychologically weaker than anyone else.I,ve heard of people who have killed themselves years after they have suffered rape as a child.Also people who have been raped as adults.Adult men verry rarely get raped by other adult men and never get raped by women so you two do not know what you are talking about.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
And men have committed suicide over false allegations. Women do rape men, though not as often, please cease with the lies. You're not fooling me. In fact, the film '40 nights' makes light of female on male rape.
mathewskarl 4 years ago
Rape is as severe as losing a limb in war.War victims suffer PTSD, so do rape victims.
Janvierireland 4 years ago 2
Oh one more thought, Argus you claim to be celibate but I venture to guess you're really an "internexual" or "virtualsexual." Which term do you like better. its not celibacy if you masterbate to porn. its some new age derangement. Now that you read this you can discard it before anyone sees it. Can't take the truth, weak very weak!
freespeeeech 4 years ago
The aim of the morning after pill is to prevent or stop conception and I agree with it only in the case of rape and this shoulfd be done as soon after the rape as possible.I suspect the reason why you support abortion is for men to have a promiscuous 'lifestyle' without having to provide for a child or children that is 50% genetically their son or daughter.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
I have read that rape is a 5-10 year recovery if the victem doesnt die from the pts symptoms which include recless unprotected sex, drug use, suicide, and total loss of self identity and worth, entering abusive relationships and the sex trade and prostitutes dont live very long so yeah its basically attempted murder, and if the victem survives its to her credit, but not all do. this info is from the effects of rape on the women in darfur.
wlaaaaa 4 years ago
"Consequences such as pregnancy can be resolved through abortion".Actually it cant be resolved through abortion-you talk about abortion as if it is some kind of quick fix-which it in fact it isn,t.You obviously haven,t done any research on the negative health consequences that abortion causes to women.Rape is not something that anyone can "get over".
Janvierireland 4 years ago
I've researched abortion - i'm very anti-abortion. It is feminists who promote abortion, not men (especially those who are fathers)
mathewskarl 4 years ago
It does invove excessive physical abuse.The rapist beats the woman,uses knives,uses a gun,has accomplices in order to get the victim to be helpless.Actually consequences such as pregnancy can,t be resolved through abortion.Abortion damages women.I would agree with the morning after pill administered in a hospital and under the supervision of a doctor as the morning after pill is potentially fatal and causes heavy bleeding.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
Responsibility for children puts a restriction or a complete stop on an adult being promiscuous as it takes up the time.I said "i suspect" as you did say in one of your cooments on your own video that women are "fuck holes" therefore you are of the unjustifiable belief system that women are inferior to men-which they are not.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
my husband is reading over my shoulder argus and he wants to know if you are a rapist trying to minimize having destroyed someones life of just really stupid.
wlaaaaa 4 years ago
Womwn in prostitution are forced to do so by pimps and are also drug addicted and alcoholic and severely poor so it is not a choice that they make for themselves.Plus it is made difficult for a woman to get out of it no matter how she gets into it.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
one minute you're saying they only get in that position by force - then you say they can't get out "no matter how she gets into it". Many prostitutes do make that choice, many have normal daytime jobs and prostitution is just a bit extra pocket-money.
mathewskarl 4 years ago
It is in only small number of women and girls who choose to get into prostitution and the reason is drug addiction and poverty.And if a girl/woman was not addicted before she was in prostitution, the pimp causes her to become a junkie because this keeps her obedient to the pimp.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses! Are women man's equal in all things, or not?
Real men do not know a victim card!
Verlch 4 years ago
"When there is not complete respect for every women in society" Just as not 'every' man deserves respect, the same is true for women. Not 'every' woman deserves to be respected.. People make their own life choices, blaming a class (men) for their poor decisions is no one's but their own fault.
mathewskarl 4 years ago
Yes everyone does deserve to be respected except wheh they deprive other human beings of their rights.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
and that goes for both sexes... implying only men can deprive a person's rights is pretty sexist and untrue.
mathewskarl 4 years ago
The sad thing (in today's age,that is) is that a woman has a higher chance to become successfully pregnant when raped. If you stop and think about it, if every woman could stop a man from inseminating her, then NOone would ever be born. I'm not advocating rape,but thne again,you can't reform biology. also I know some women who have "rape" fantasies (although consent to that wouldn't be rape, would it?).
rearendlover 4 years ago
What are you talking about?
Every woman CAN stop herself from being inseminated by a man. There are dozens of ways.
The easiest and cheapest is not to have sex. The next is the pill or condoms.
sirskeptic 4 years ago
I'm talking about prehistory, in the hunter/gatherer mode, BEFORE pills, and condoms. You tell a horny hunter/gatherer not to have sex,and you'd probabably get a bludgeon to the head.
rearendlover 4 years ago
Men also deprive other men of their rights and boy children.When I said that a woman can,t get out no matter how she gets into it-this is because she is controlled by the pimp through violence, drug adiction and threats and actual rape.And no matter how anyone got into this situation,no one desrves to be raped ,abused or killed.how they have sex which is different from They dont get the choice to decide when,where or someone who is just promiscuous
Janvierireland 4 years ago
"Many prostitutes do make that choice,many have normal daytime jobs and prostitution is just a bit extra pocket money".Completely untrue and you have been believing the myths propagated by the media in the western world.
Janvierireland 4 years ago
Let me guess... You were abused by your feminist mother when you were young?
wussycat 4 years ago
Now, as I have said before, ad hominem's reflect poorly on us all.
iwentdowntotheriver 4 years ago
Are you sure it's an ad hominem? I thought it was only an ad hominem if you stated it like a fact. I stated it as a theory.
wussycat 4 years ago
You support feminazis and therefore you are gay. Views of one do in fact represent a whole group. Its a fact. Feminists are that example. Feminism is NOT about equality its about exterminating average straight men.
madmaxninja 4 years ago
You're 24 and you thought that that would be a good or clever insult? I wonder if you're not actually 10. By the way, nice channel: "My videos will probably give you the impression that I'm a pervert, but I swear I'm not." I think you need less Internet and more life; you'd find that you'd no longer feel compelled to bounce around randomly on the Internet, "insulting" people simply for the sake of "insulting" them.
aryon60 4 years ago
Replace "anecdotal evidence" with "reason" and suddenly the shadow that's been cast vanishes. Word choice, word choice, call it what you want.
aryon60 4 years ago
Reason is of course of value. But when we use reason, we reason using evidence. Only when no relevant evidence is available do we rely solely on reason.
iwentdowntotheriver 4 years ago
Here is an interesting study:
Women who identify themselves as feminists are most likely to be women born in the 1950's, and few socio-economic factors seem to effect such self-identification. Previous studies did find, however, that white, educated, middle class women are most likely to call themselves feminists. Where is the majority of chaff you claim exists in this movement? (Who Are Feminists and What Do They Believe?, Schnittker, Freese, Powell, 2003.)
iwentdowntotheriver 4 years ago
Interesting, sure, but again you have to study the study per se to have a complete understanding of the significance of the information that it is presenting. Moreover I would argue that all statistics are invalid until the study per se has been investigated, and in many cases that probably isn't even an option. Again I refer back to the example Argus gave, in which the question that was asked was not actually one of rape, yet that was what it was counted as in the study.
aryon60 4 years ago
Examples like that are why statistics are the absolute perfect tools for deception.
aryon60 4 years ago
How would you define rape? I think 'non-consensual sex' is as close a definition as one can get. The study I cite seems statistically valid, I studied statistics and how to ensure validity during my undergrad. Please show me how the study is invalid, I would love to know. As I have stated in a different video, I really want to cite sources as opinion is cheap. I try never to cite 'cheap' sources such as wikipedia, and only do so when none other is available.
iwentdowntotheriver 4 years ago
Lack of evidence is not evidence. The question was phrased like, "Did you ever have sex that you didn't want to have?" Explain to me how that is proof of a rape. It's funny how you took the side of reason and I am now asking for evidence for something. Looks like we just want to win an argument. :)
aryon60 4 years ago
Feminist: A person whose beliefs and behavior are based on feminism. Feminism: the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. The question is: What percentage of those women could actually be considered feminists? If I'm a Christian, is simply stating that I believe in God good enough?
aryon60 4 years ago
To the first question I'd say that we have no good way of knowing who out of all those women have actually earned the title, thus I refer back to statistics as always being broken in some way.
aryon60 4 years ago
Here it seems to me as if you're redefining "reason" to mean something less general. Anyway, I would argue that reason comes before evidence; our perception is practically always there prior to any actual evidence. I think I am a reasonable perceiver. Do you think it's reasonable to assume that most feminists are well-read on the subject? Do you think most Christian moderates have even read the bibles cover-to-cover?
aryon60 4 years ago
"Feminists" have a lot more reading to do than that before I would even dare legitimize them within such a movement, and I simply don't see that as the current reality, based on reason, thus we get chaff, lots of it, as is to be expected as quantity over quality is just the way things work within humanity.
aryon60 4 years ago
When will feminists know, empirically, that their movement has succeeded? When will they know with certainty that the feminist movement has done what it set out to do? How will this be gauged in reality, globally? What will society look like?
aryon60 4 years ago
Now this is the kind of question we should be asking. Do you see how this question investigates feminism's principles rather then attacking the members of the movement, and so is much more constructive? To answer your question, I have no short answer. I will think about it though and get back to you.
iwentdowntotheriver 4 years ago