Why are only those who say we deserved 9/11 getting the thumbs up, they should be getting "recieved too many negative votes". The Americans who say R.I.P to all Americans that died that day should be getting the top comments.
Once again, you are going nut over nothing. You seriously your sister's brother. If you are the one who suggested to end this childish debate where the best you can do is trying to call me immature, then you should be the one who stop first. And you know what ? 20 years later when you truly grow up, when thinking back about this you will laugh at how absurd and childish you once were.
Guys osama said " this was was a cry of war and was more fantastic then we expected"Look at us arguing. Were frickn american so y can't we just accepted this happen and move one remembering we got revenge. And if BinLaden was innocent (doubted) then we still devised an operation to kill a horriy evil man.
@blackswanguy I'm afraid my penis is longer than yours, so does my soul. Just because I don't believe 9-11 was created by some jack ass middle easterners who still hide in cave and using AK 47 as their main weapon doesn't make me lose my penis or soul.
شارع الغمراوى وسوق الغمراوى == مصر القديمه المنيل = العميد = ايمن الصعيدى = شارع سوق الغمراوى = محتاج حمله خصوصا الغرزه اللى جنب الفرن البلدى و كل يوم بعد الساعه 9 موعد اغلاق الفرن البلدى الغرزه بتشتغل و بيقعدوا صبيان الورش من النجارين و السباكين و عمال الورش المجاوره للفرن البلدى و بلا رقابه او حملات امنيه من الشرطه و امن الدوله و مباحث المديريه و المباحث العامه
شارع الغمراوى وسوق الغمراوى == مصر القديمه المنيل = العميد = ايمن الصعيدى = شارع سوق الغمراوى = محتاج حمله خصوصا الغرزه اللى جنب الفرن البلدى و كل يوم بعد الساعه 9 موعد اغلاق الفرن البلدى الغرزه بتشتغل و بيقعدوا صبيان الورش من النجارين و السباكين و عمال الورش المجاوره للفرن البلدى و بلا رقابه او حملات امنيه من الشرطه و امن الدوله و مباحث المديريه و المباحث العامه
شارع الغمراوى وسوق الغمراوى == مصر القديمه المنيل = العميد = ايمن الصعيدى = شارع سوق الغمراوى = محتاج حمله خصوصا الغرزه اللى جنب الفرن البلدى و كل يوم بعد الساعه 9 موعد اغلاق الفرن البلدى الغرزه بتشتغل و بيقعدوا صبيان الورش من النجارين و السباكين و عمال الورش المجاوره للفرن البلدى و بلا رقابه او حملات امنيه من الشرطه و امن الدوله و مباحث المديريه و المباحث العامه
شارع الغمراوى وسوق الغمراوى محتاج حمله خصوصا الغرزه اللى جنب الفرن البلدى و كل يوم بعد الساعه 9 موعد اغلاق الفرن البلدى الغرزه بتشتغل و بيقعدوا صبيان الورش من النجارين و السباكين و عمال الورش المجاوره للفرن البلدى و بلا رقابه او حملات امنيه من الشرطه و امن الدوله و مباحث المديريه و المباحث العامه
The terrorists destroyed buildings on 9/11, but they will never destroy the American spirit. In fact, all they did was awaken a sleeping giant, just as the Japanese did on December 7, 1941. God Bless America.
@arc175 What is your point exactly? That terrorists didn't destroy the buildings on 9/11? Don't bother me with your nutty conspiracy theories. The fact is Muslim terrorists attacked America on 9/11. I've researched 9/11 and that's what happened. Period. End of story.
@arc175 First, the link didn't go anywhere. Second, I've seen both sides, and it's clear that Muslim extremists were responsible. Third, it does matter who did this, because those responsible must be held accountable. It's also important because those who try to place blame where it doesn't belong are being dishonest and irresponsible.
@Berthasfave1 nah..our own government,president...vice president..along with alot of other political officials are the "terrorists" responsible for this..& proved it in so many ways..like how the president didnt find it necessary to get in his bunker while planes r said to be runnin into buildings all around him...y? cuz he knew that they werent gonna hit the white house which shuldve been the main target that the so called terrorists hit..americans died so gov culd rid evidence in tower #7
@trayceerae13 Gee, thanks for cracking the case. So your evidence for a conspiracy is that Bush didn't return to a place they believed was a target? Who in their right mind would go to a place that was a potential target? After hitting the towers and Pentagon, of course it was suspected the White House was a target. If that's the basis for your belief, you're pretty desperate to believe in a conspiracy. Muslim terrorists were the perpetrators. Believe what you wish, that's the truth.
@Berthasfave1 Lol, many people believe that it was an inside job to give the US a reason to attack Afghanistan and Iraq (and will soon be Iran). It was officially masterminded by Bin Laden, an ex CIA agent, and 5 of the participants were suspected receiving training from US military facilities. If you want American spirit, why don't you go cut off your own dick.
@aclock2 As much as it pains me to respond to an ignorant fool like you, the people who believe 9/11 was an inside job are sad, pathetic people who base their belief on distortions and misrepresentations. Whenever someone has to resort to childish, immature personal attacks, it shows the weakness of your argument. When someone's losing a court case, their tactic is to attack the other side rather than to rely on the facts. This is exactly what you did with your infantile insult.
@Berthasfave1 I understand that you have deep hatred for terrorist that clouded your mind, but there is no need to be that aggressive and rude. The only difference between you and me is I'm able to keep my mind cool to at least try to understand what happened, while you quickly believe in and blindly follow whatever appeared first in your sight . So about the childish, immature and ignorant things, I think you should keep them for yourself.
@aclock2 You're a joke. The only thing clouded is your brain to believe nonsense instead of the truth. You're think you're cool to believe lies and mistruths. That's not cool, that's being a fool. You're the one who is rude and aggressive and childish. Who but a childish, infantile, misinformed person would mention the male sexual organ in a debate? And yes, I hate what the Muslim terrorists did on 9/11. Murdering innocents should be a hated act.
@Berthasfave1 Let me tell the truth. The truth is BinLaden was working for the Government back in 1980. Then he suddenly changed side and planed the 9-11 which CIA had no idea about, resulted in a domino effect which led to the fall of Afghanistan and then Iraq for a false reason (and will soon be Iran). Millions of innocents were murdered in these wars, I don't say that it's 100% an inside job but I'm sure that things are more complicated than they look. Stop being such a clown
@aclock2 The truth is the claims about CIA ties to bin Laden are dubious. And even if true, it was to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan. The Taliban was harboring terrorists in Afghanistan, so they were attacked. Virtually every intelligence service believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Ahmadinejad is a dangerous man who'd destroy Israel if given the chance. There have not been millions of innocents killed, that's incorrect, and the US doesn't target innocents like the terrorists do.
@Berthasfave1 US obviously doesn't target innocents the same way as terrorist, since bombs have area of effect. I don't believe every intelligence services of a developed country like US can be that incompetence. If Iraq really had WMD, US would think twice before attacking them as Saddam would nuke the shit out of their ass. More over, there is undoubtedly a strong connection between Bin and US in the past, whether their honeymoon has ended before 9/11 or not only the 2 know
@aclock2 You missed the point. There is a huge difference between people who deliberately target innocents, and those that happen to kill innocents while trying to kill the enemy. All the major intelligence services believed Iraq had WMDs. Obviously, the US was willing to take the risk in Iraq to eliminate what it believed were WMDs. I'm sure much thought was given to it. There is not undoubtedly a strong connection between bin Laden and the US. There are differing opinions.
@Berthasfave1 You are the one who is missing the point here, there is no difference between those who target innocents and those who know they might kill innocents but don't give a shit. And I think all the major intelligence services knew that there is NO wmd. They said the opposite because the Government wanted them to. Also, the relationship between Bin Laden and US is no secret, as everybody know US helped him against the Russian. Even the US can not deny it.
@aclock2 There is a huge moral difference between targeting innocents as the terrorists do, and the US who does what it can to avoid killing innocents. I think your hatred for the US is blinding your objectivity. As I said, all the major intelligence services believed Iraq had WMDs. They weren't coerced into saying so. As I also said, there are differing opinions as to the US-bin Laden connection. Even if true, it was to fight the Russians and has no connection to 9/11.
I have no hatred for US, I simply demand the truth and all the answers so far were very insufficient for someone like me who is not a blindly US lover. And please don't tell me that you don't know how many people US has killed by chemical weapons and how many UN resolution shit they (and many other nations) has violated. Also, the possibility of all the intelligence sources being wrong seem pretty incredible to me.
@aclock2 What answers do you believe are insufficient? It's interesting that you change the subject to the US violations of UN resolutions (I can't find any) when confronted with Hussein violating them. The US has never used chemical weapons on its own people as Hussein did. The US has used them in war, but there's never been a UN resolution requiring the US to show its weapons arsenal. It seems like you want to make the case that the US and Iraq are moral equivalents, when they're not.
@Berthasfave1 So it's ok to use chemical weapon against people from other counties? And don't make me laugh, it's you who changed the subject to chemical and resolution not me. Answers that are not satisfy me
1: Why attack Iraq: They have WMD
2: Why attack Afghanistan: BinLaden is there and protected by the leaders
3: Why not attack North Korea eventhough they have WMD: -,-
4; Why throw BinLaden corpse to the sea: to avoid Muslim consider his grave a holy place.
@aclock2 There is a difference between using chemical weapons in a war situation and using them against your own people. Surely you can understand that. The US hasn't used chemical weapons since WWI, and now has banned the use of them. I didn't change the subject, you deflected attention away from Saddam to the US....we've been over questions 1 and 2. North Korea also has nuclear weapons, so that could trigger a nuclear nightmare. bin Laden was buried in accord with Muslim custom and practice.
@Berthasfave1 US hasn't used chemical weapon since WW2 ? Lol, haven't you noticed that the Vietnam war was long after WW1 ? There are still plenty of evidence about US chemical weapon living in that country right now. And Bin Laden wasn't buried, sir. He was thrown for the fish.
@aclock2 The US hasn't used chemical weapons for the express purpose of killing since WWI. Agent Orange was used in Vietnam as a defoliant, not with the express purpose of killing, although deaths did result. It's called burial at sea....have you never heard of it? US servicemen who die at sea are buried in the same fashion.
@Berthasfave1 Most of the time, the agent orange does not kill, it's only give the breathers with some sort of cancer, or for those who have the luck of a whore: some decomposed childrens. Forgive me I'm unable to see the difference between that and chemical weapon.
@aclock2 Sadly, Agent Orange killed almost as much as it maimed. The difference is in the intent. It was not used for the express purpose of killing, it was used as a defoliant. Surely someone of average intelligence can see that.
@aclock2 Once again, you're showing your ignorance and anti-American bias. The full effects of Agent Orange weren't known until around 1970, at which time the use of Agent Orange was stopped.
@Berthasfave1 Once again you are showing stupidity and blindly love. Even if they did not know the particular effect, they should've known that it contains elements that are harmful for human body.
@aclock2 I see you can't help yourself with the personal insults. How sad and pathetic that is that you can't debate without resort to them. I guess if you can't argue facts, you need to resort to insults. Shows the mind of someone who is not so intelligent. There is no way to know for sure the full effects until something is actually used. As soon as it was shown to be harmful, it was stopped. That's a fact.
@Berthasfave1 You know what is funny ? I'm always polite to those who is civilized to me and rude to those who is being asshole. Perhaps you did not realize it but your previous replies were very offensive and insulting to me. And now you are criticize me for being offensive, it's a new level of asshole you are displaying here.
@aclock2 The reason I brought up Iraq defying UN resolutions is because those resolutions were about Iraq's possession of WMDs, and Hussein was supposed to reveal to UN inspectors his stockpile of WMDs. He did not comply fully, and that is part of the reason for the Iraq war. Also, bin Laden was buried within 24 hours as per Muslim custom, and he was buried at sea most likely so there wouldn't be a shrine for his followers to gather. I don't see a problem with that.
@Berthasfave1 Of course there is a problem. We can't see his corpse unlike Saddam and Gadafi. And there is no picture. And if the shrine thing is possible, then there is quite a number of Muslim who love Bin Laden and hate US. I wonder why ? may be they are all severely brainwashed and could not realize the greatness and goodness of America.
@aclock2 Why on earth would the US allow a shrine for a man who was responsible for the deaths of at least 3000 Americans? You can't be serious. Let me clue you into something, the people who love bin Laden (as you do) have been hating America long before this. It's too bad they're blinded (like you) with a hatred for America, and can't see any good that America has. Millions of people come here for opportunity. I don't see many, if any, people wanting to immigrate to the Middle East.
@Berthasfave1 I assure you that I "love" BinLaden as much as George Bush. I agree that many people are "blinded" with hatred for America, especially those who have family members killed "by mistakes" (and there are many millions of such people). And US do not allow immigrant because of good, it allows them because it needs cheap hardworking labor force. It's a beneficial deal for US so please don't make it sound holiness to me.
@aclock2 You don't need to put quotation marks around mistakes. There are situations where innocents are unfortunately killed, but they are mistakes and not intentional. I'm talking about the millions of people who have emigrated here for over 100 years, and continue to do so. They come here of their own volition, they're not forced to come here.
The reason they do is because of the opportunity America has. They may start out in a low position, but can raise themselves up with hard work.
@Berthasfave1 I would appreciate it if you keep the number of your reply around 5. There is no need to go nut over a small youtube debate. When few civilian are killed it's unfortunate. When over a thousand killed it's an unforgivable mistake. When million killed it's a war crime. And very few of those immigrants actually successful (just look at the number of US billionaires, how many were immigrants except for the criminal ones ? ). Most immigrants being slave class
@aclock2 I'll reply as much as I want. That's for me to decide, not you. It's typical of people like you to state numbers that have no basis. There haven't been millions of innocents killed. Of course, facts don't matter to people like you. Being a success in America doesn't mean being a billionaire. It means improving your lot in life, which is why they come here and not elsewhere.
@aclock2 It's not blind love, it's love of country. If you stopped to read what is written, I've said the US has mistakes. However, you read and believe what you want to, not what is actually written or true.
@Berthasfave1 The way you say: " as noble as America" or " the greatest country in the world" already show how blind you are. You obviously see US as a great and noble country which is laughable to me cause I always think US is less than average in term of goodness but top of the world in term of propaganda and brainwashing. You are merely a victim, no more no less.
@aclock2 Compared to most, America is a very young country. Despite that, the US is the world's superpower. That's because the US has a system politically and economically that allows people the freedom to succeed and become whatever they wish. That attracts many people to come here for the opportunity the US offers. Other countries and people are envious of that and make derogatory statements such as you do. We're not perfect, and we have problems, but we have freedom most people dont enjoy.
@aclock2 It's pretty sick that you'd compare bin Laden to Bush. bin Laden purposely killed at least 3000 Americans. Bush went to war for what he thought was a just cause. Why is it that you're unable to see the difference between intentional killing of innocents and' those killed mistakenly as a result of war? I bet I can guess what you're thinking, Bush meant for those innocent to be killed right??? It seems you can't make moral distinctions that a person of average intelligence could.
@Berthasfave1 Funny you think that way. BinLaden killed (perharps ordered to kill) 3000 by intention. Bush invaded Afghanistan killing hundred thousands by mistakes Ok, i suppose that war was justifiable. But then he invaded Iraq for a clearly made up reason and led another hundreds thousands both American and Iraq to death FOR A FAILED REASON. That was not justifiable. Frankly, Bush was a much bigger bastard than Binladen in term of killing, intentional or not.
@aclock2 The numbers you state are simply wrong, but the truth obviously doesn't matter to you. It is nowhere near hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan. The violation of UN resolutions is not a made up reason. Maybe someday you'll be able to understand the difference between intentional killing and those killed as a result of war. It's pathetic that you think Bush is worse than bin Laden. Intentional killing of innocents is not the same as those who unfortunately die as a result of a war.
@Berthasfave1 Are you dumb or what ? I said the Wmd is a made up reason, not Wmd. And in a war, the number of people die in battle is not the total number who die. There are many who were indirectly killed by losing their home, hunger, unstable and violent environment. Why don't you just open your blind eyes and look at the obvious fact ( Of course I aware you consider those nothing to with US). Also, unintentional kill and just don't give a shit are different if you understand..
@aclock2 My sad little friend, stop with the insults and stick to the argument at hand and please keep up. It wasn't a made up reason, the UN resolutions were specifically about WMDs. If you would open your eyes and look at facts instead of your wild accusations, you'd be better served. We were speaking of innocents killed, not the total number. Even so, you claim millions have been killed. Can you prove that? I didn't think so because you'd rather not engage in facts.
@Berthasfave1 Oh boy, I actually can prove that millions have been killed by the war. Still, it will be quite some effort to find show evidence to somebody who will eventually deny them. Just promise me that you will be willing to open your eyes. I don't want you to hate America, I just want you to know the truth that it's not nearly as noble and great as you see it. It's an average country in term of goodness, no more no less.
@aclock2 You'll just never get it will you. How blind does someone have to be to not recognize that intentionally killing someone is not the same as intentionally targeting them. The cost of war is unfortunate, but had the terrorists not struck us on 9/11, there wouldn't have been a need to attack Afghanistan. So you can blame bin Laden and his cohorts for starting the war. They took the first shot, of course there was going to be response. But I guess blaming the US is easier.
@Berthasfave1 You keep insisting on the difference between killing intentionally and unintentionally, but you could not realize the difference between killing by mistake and just don't give a shit, do you ?
@aclock2 American has become the most powerful nation on earth because millions of people wanted to come here for a better life. Many people have come here with little or nothing, and become very prosperous. Either that, or their children or grandchildren became successful. If you asked 1000 people where would you rather be, the Mideast or America, I'd be willing to guess that at least 990 or more would pick America. We have problems here, but people still come here for the opportunity.
@Berthasfave1 People come to America because it's the richest country in the world. But if someday another country become the richest in the world. People will flow there, it's natural for human to find places they think better to live in. And America also greatly benefit from those people. Most of them become the labour class to serve the now fat and lazy original citizens, some with high expertise make significant contribution. It's a good deal on both side, no more, no less
@aclock2 The point is that America is the greatest country in the world, and that isn't going to change. I was right, your rhetoric proves you hate America. There will always be lower and middle classes, that's a fact. Not everyone has the drive or ability to become wealthy. The fact is, many do progress up the ladder or their kids or grandkids do. The opportunity is here in America that doesn't exist elsewhere.
@Berthasfave1 Now you begin to show your arrogance and blind love. "The point is America is the greatest country in the world and that isn't going to change". Naive little boy, in 1000 years, America as well as many other nations will become a page in the history book. Even the much greater Roman Empire has gone with time. It's simply natural rule that no human can deny. And if I wasn't wrong, America is not only the good place to be rich, it's also a good place to be homeless.
@aclock2 America has the greatest opportunities for people to succeed than anywhere else. Many people succeed, but some don't due for various reasons. There are programs in place to help those in need with shelter and food. America is a great country in the world because of the chance to succeed and the help that's available if you don't. Until someone comes along and proves otherwise, the US is the greatest country in the world. I don't see any country taking the US' unique role in the world.
@Berthasfave1 Again with the America ass kissing. It proves further that you are blindly loving it. However, I don't deny that America is a rich country and there are many great opportunities there. However, unlike you who only looking at the billionaires and rich happy folks. I extend my eyes further to those homeless people everywhere from Newyork to Los Angeles, as well as those criminals, bank robbers, mafia, physio killers. Anyway I agree that US is a great place for the rich
@Berthasfave1 Still, I appreciate it when actual goods are done. Like the US navy rescue you were talking about. Unfortunately, such things happen so few to the point that a small rescue are known world wide. Of course I still very appreciate it, but I think it could be even better if something like that happen so often that nobody bother giving news about it anymore.
@aclock2 The point is that it did happen, and the US Navy was responsible. It very probably does happen more often, but we just don't hear about every noble deed. It would be nice if other countries were as noble as the US. By the way, you still haven't answered the question of where you're from. Are you ashamed of your country and don't want to admit where you're from?
@Berthasfave1 "It would be nice if other countries were as noble as the US" Where the fuck do you come from kid ? Mar ? At the least you one more time show your arrogance and blind love. Something like that happen everywhere, unlike in America though. They do not announce world wide when they do some good things because it happens a lot there.
@aclock2 Listen son, stop with the profanity. It just shows a lack of intelligence. The US is the most generous country on earth, and it would be good if others followed her example. I love this country because of its basic deceny, goodness and generosity. As I've stated, when there's a crisis, the US leads the way to help. The quote I gave you was from an Iranian official, not an American. The US doesn't need to trumpet its goodness, the world already knows it.
@Berthasfave1 Hey kid, I'm a part of the world and I obviously see things different than you are. May be you think that most of the world think positive about US. It's cutely naive, I myself is the evidence, I don't hate US but since I'm not an American. I see it as a nation who works for its benefit, power, domination and respect from others, I'm totally fine with it.I just feel sick when some stupid brainwashed kid shows up and talk like America is something great and shit
@aclock2 Just so you know, the main reason I post so much is because of the nonsensical and ignorant statements you make. Unfortunately, it's necessary to combat so much of what you write because so much of it is just mistruths and incorrect statements.
@Berthasfave1 The reason you post so much is because you are an arrogant nationalist who can not stand people telling things that are not pink, good looking or glorious about his nation. Btw, I'm from Australia if that's what you so curious about, I don't care if you criticize it, as long as it's truth you are speaking.
@aclock2 Wow, you just read and believe what you want. I've said the US has problems and makes mistakes, but despite her flaws, I love my country and will defend her against lies and ignorance. If you actualy are an Aussie, that's a lot of hatred coming from one ally to another. I see that no matter what, you'll hate America, but that doesn't matter. America's greatness isn't diminished because someone like you hates her. There's always opposition to whomever or whatever is best.
@Berthasfave1 Again may be you are too stupid to realize, but I don't hate America. I'm simply see it the way it is. And yeah, America greatness or evilness will not change because of you or me speaking, so why bother.
@aclock2 We should end this discussion, because it's going nowhere, and it's degenerating into personal insults and profanity. You see something sinister in everything about America, and while you're wrong, you're entitled to your opinion. I believe if you were fortunate enough to live here, you'd feel differently. The greatness of the US comes from her history, structure and people, and it doesn't matter if people hate her. Being the best comes with a price that we're willing to pay.
@Berthasfave1 200 years history of US doesn't look that great to me. Still, Aus history is not any better if not worse. So whatever, we should end this crap, I only hope you will see things less pinky and more realistic but I clearly fail to do so.
@aclock2 I will no longer discuss America, Irag, Iran, Vietnam or Afghanistan with you. I will not discuss anything further with someone who can't make an argument without being petulant and immature. You have your opinions of America, and I have mine. I believe it's the greatest country in the world, as many others do. This argument is going nowhere, and never will. You say I see things in only one color, when in reality it's you that does that. You can't differentiate between intentional...
@aclock2 and unintentional killing. You see bin Laden and Bush through the same lens. I am able to see shades of gray and differences between people and countries, where as you lump everything and everyone together. We disagree, and we will have to agree to disagree. You have the right to your opinion, but thankfully that doesn't change the reality of America. I thank God everyday that I'm lucky enough to live in the greatest country in the world.
@aclock2 Another reason I will not discuss this further with you us because for some reason you can't form arguments without profanity and childish insults. I'm a fully formed adult, son, not some brainwashed kid as you like to think. I believe in America's greatness, despite her flaws, which seems difficult for you to deal with. Personally, at this point, I couldn't care less what you think of the US. The rest of the world turns to the US in times of trouble, so that must tell you something.
@Berthasfave1 If you don't want to discuss further, fine. But don't make lame excuse such as" You can't form argument". Just because you are unable to understand what I said doesn't mean they are not argument. And frankly speaking, most of the world will be grateful if America stops providing "help" when not being asked. Stop "helping" in areas that have rich resources and start helping on where people really need help like Africa, north Korea. Or you should just focus on your own.
@aclock2 If you stopped to actually read what I wrote, I said you are unable to form arguments without childish immature insults or profanity, and you proved my point with your second post. I truly feel sorry for you because you are such an angry, bitter person. I didn't realize you were a spokeman for the world, but America will continue to help wherever it's needed.
@Berthasfave1 It's not a wise thing to say goodbye yet still writing provocative comments. Like you said America had flaws, I did not deny that America has some good points, the matter is you seem never really pay attention which led to your false belief that I hate US. I could say the same thing about any nation including Australia as long as it's the true.Our biggest difference here is you believe US is a great justice fighter while I think it's no better than any other country
@aclock2 It's extremely funny coming from you about provocative comments seeing as how you write profanity and vulgar comments. I don't recall any positive comments from you about the US. Even if that's true, the overwhelmingly majority of comments were negative. Once again, you are unable to see differences and distinctions between countrues. The US is the greatest country in the world. I'm sure Australia is a fine country, but it doesn't have the influence or power of the US.
@Berthasfave1 Anyway, keep dreaming, just don't let your heart get shattered too much when US is no longer the richest country in the world. And I'm sure it will happen not far in the future. Not like it's big deal to me anyway. Bye.
@aclock2 If you don't want such comments directed at you, then don't engage in them yourself. My sense of self-worth isn't dependent on whether America is the most powerful nation on earth. In the unlikely event that happens, it would be a sad day for the world. Having the US in its current position is a positive for the world. Goodbye and good luck.
@Berthasfave1 Obviously you did not read what I wrote fully. And once again you give me an urge to ***** with your self sucking style. It doesn't matter whether US remains richest or not. The world doesn't need a country which are exceptionally great at propaganda and brain washing but less than average in doing actual goods.
@aclock2 And once again, the child in you comes out. You seem to be a very emotionally immature person who must resort to childish and petty language. I did read what you wrote and responded appropriately. You said the US won't always be the richest country in the world. I disagreed. Part of the power of the US comes from its riches. Poor countries are unable to exercise power. Get over it please. The US is the greatest, most powerful nation. Countries, like people, are different. Goodbye.
@aclock2 I believe you're emotionally immature because when someone disagrees with you, you respond with childish, immature language.You remind me of my sister. She's unable to deal with someone disagreeing with her,and lashes out when they do. Also,instead of just disagreeing and parting ways, she keeps on trying to convince you of her position. My sense is you were raised during the self-esteem movement where kids are taught that everyone's the same,regardless of outcome.Life isn't that way.
@Berthasfave1 Thank you for helping me learning more about American. Arrogant, self absorbed and dreamy outside while being a total dick inside. If what you said about your sister was true I must say you are really fit to be her brother. Wait, actually there is one thing you can do that will surely help America to take a significant step in its world domination process. Point a gun to your head and pull the trigger.
@aclock2 Every time you write, you prove all my points. Just because someone disagrees with you, you have to throw personal insults. You're unable to just agree to disagree, which is a sign of immaturity. How angry and bitter you are to suggest someone kill themselves. You're simply a pathetic, hateful, childish person. I wish you'd never responded to my post in the first place. I feel bad for someone so filled with bitterness and anger. You're exactly like my sister. God help you.
@Berthasfave1 And please, stop bitching about me insulting you this time cause you are the one who start first. Hypocrite is not something you need to add into the horrific collection of your characteristics.
@aclock2 Please, you can't be serious. Anything I wrote to you pales in comparison to what you wrote. The worst thing I wrote was you're childish and immature, which from what you wrote is spot on. Anything I wrote was in response to what you wrote, and I never cursed at you or spewed the kind of hate you have. Why don't you just look in the mirror and admit that what you've written is far worse than anything I have? I don't see that happening because that would take maturity. God help you.
@aclock2 Fortunately, my sister and I are nothing alike. But you are exactly like her. It's OK for you to spew vile language, but if someone responds to that and calls you on it, you accuse them of being a hypocrite. That's hypocritical. Another sign of emotional immaturity is projecting your own issues onto someone else. Once again, you prove my point. God help you, because you need it.
@aclock2 I truly believe you need God's help to overcome the anger,bitterness and hate that are evident in your writings.I do feel bad for someone who is unable to maturely discuss something without resorting to insults and profanity. I disagree with you 100%, but I have no personal animus towards you. I don't wish you any ill will or misfortune. I hope eventually you're able to discuss something without using such ill-advised language.Hopefully,you'll mature to the point where that's possible.
@Berthasfave1 May be you did not realize it but the more you wrote, the more you look like the sister you described to me. Perhaps it's yourself subconsciously ? and frankly, the way you keep haunting and insulting me is very childish and sad. Ok, calm down, don't go nut yet. Why don't we just keep it cool and end it here like 2 grow up people ? Of course, if you want to write a load more of silly childish comments, I don't mind play along, though I think it's dumb and pointless.
@aclock2 Once again, your emotional immaturity emerges and you make my point. Projecting your flaws onto me is exactly what I pointed out. I have not insulted you, I have simply pointed out your character flaws. You on the other hand began this discussion with a reference to the male sex organ and ended it by urging me to commit suicide. Talk about childish and sad. How about looking in the mirror? But that's another truth about immaturity,pointing the fingers at others and not being accountable
@aclock2 I was the first to suggest ending this discussion, but you continued your rant against America. Let me make a suggestion to you, if you aren't able to engage in a mature, serious debate without profanity, urging people to commit suicide or other insults, then don't engage in a deabte until you're capable of doing so. In other words, grow up. May God help you.
@aclock2 All the attributes I described about my sister are reflected in you,not me. If you stopped to actually reflect,you'd see that's true. It's amazing how you continuously deflect your own behavior, but that's immaturity for you.You were the one who responded to my initial post, so if anyone is stalking it's you.How sad to now make such a pathetic accusation. And now you want to say I was the one making childish comments? Look in the mirror and you'll find the author of those. God help you.
@Berthasfave1 Also, I think you should show more respect to your sister. Even if she is emotional disorder (like you are ) she is still your blood related sister. You should sympathize with her and trying to help her (as well as yourself) to get better instead of exposing her problem to a complete stranger. It's not an appropriate behavior and I believe she will not be proud of you for that.
@aclock2 Here's another suggestion; worry about your own issues of immaturity and problems. Look in the mirror and improve yourself. You have no idea who I am, and you don't know my sister, so I wasn't exposing anything. I was simply using the example of what she's like to illustrate your own issues. Hopefully, you'll take some time to concentrate on dealing with your issues instead of incorrectly stating I did something inappropriate. Grow up and work on yourself. Good bye and God help you.
@Berthasfave1 Also, I don't like the way you disrespect your sister. That's a problem you need to fix before telling me to worry about my own issue. I believe she did not hear you not because she was arrogant but because you used a wrongful and disrespectful attitude, or may be you just never tried it. Not to mention that you clearly are the one who is clearly having mental issues here, so may be she is actually a normal person.
@aclock2 Your lack of insight and wisdom is astonishing. You have no idea who my sister is, so there was nothing damaging to her. It was simply to point out how you are similar to her. She didn't hear me because she thinks she's never wrong. Mental issues? Coming from you that is beyond ridiculous. A mentally challenged person is someone who refers to body parts and suggests someone put a gun to their head while trying to make an argument. You're the one with serious issues. Deal with them.
@Berthasfave1 Have you ever thought that you are the one who are wrong here ? Of course not: Adults and books always true, aren't they ? Even when they all come from 1 source. And I'm sorry to use adult language that was so much of a big deal to you, I would be more pleasant if I realized how much of a child you are.
@aclock2 It isn't adult or mature to use profanity and vulgar language when debating someone. That's what infantile minds do. Adults are able to debate a topic sensibly without resorting to childish language. If you were a mature adult, you would see that you were wrong to do that and apologize. I never used profane or vulgar language, you did.
@aclock2 I have attempted to have an adult debate with you. I have never cursed you, wished you any ill, or thrown vulgar statememts your way. I have questioned your wisdom, maturity and factual grasp of the issues, which are based on what you wrote. The only reason I respond to you now is to refute the comments you make without basis or fact.
@Berthasfave1 And between someone who keep blabbing about the greatness of his country while ignore their crime or pretend that they are no big deal, at the same time using his own alike sister as an example of immaturity and mental illness. And someone who used bad language (that's many people do), who tried hard to break through his own prejudice to see thing the way they actually are. Who do you think would have mental illness ?
@aclock2 You are beginning to really trouble me with how you ignore reality, and what I've written. It's troubling because you have a pre-conceived notion, and regardless of the facts, stick to that notion. I said America has made mistakes, but despite that, I love my country and believe in her. I believe you may be worse than my sister. I only brought her up to illustrate my sense about you, and you are proving that you are possibly worse off than she is. God help you.
@Berthasfave1 Frankly, I don't recall cursing you or wishing you any ill. And please don't pretend that you are using polite language the whole time. I could find you quite a number of offensive language from you in case you don't remember. The only reason you respond to me is your stubbornness which make you refuse that you are wrong, ,and instead of the initial subject you slowly focus on "questioning my wisdom and immaturity ". Like a child, you choose fist when you can't talk
@aclock2 If you don't recall, then you should go back and check the facts. Hopefully, you'll be grown up enough to do so. So you don't consider suggesting someone putting a gun to their head wishing them ill? You also used profanity, and began the debate by childishly referencing the male sex organ. I may have used strong language, but I didn't use crude language or profanity. There is no comparison between what you wrote and what I wrote.
@aclock2 Wrong about what? My belief in America? Opinions are neither right or wrong, they're opinions. I stopped the debate because it had run its course, and it had degenerated by your use of profane and crude language, which is the sign of an immature and childish person. I don't need profanity or crude language to make my points. Point the finger of childish behavior in the right direction, at yourself. Stop projecting your own problems onto others. Reflect on yourself so you can grow.
@aclock2 For the record, when I make a mistake, I admit I'm wrong, just as when America makes a mistake, I'll say she's wrong. I'm a very fair and objective person. I look at things through the prism of right and wrong, not any ideological bent. I prefer talk shows that are not ideological in nature, but that focus on being objective. I'm willing to stand up for the US and defend her when she's right, and say she's wrong when she's wrong. I believe in America strongly and am grateful I live here
@aclock2 If you're implying that it was wrong to mention my sister simply to illustrate a point, then you're wrong. Harming someone's reputation is wrong, but there was no harm whatsoever done to her. You have no idea who she is, and never will. That's why I question your wisdom and insight. There was no scandal brought to her because I didn't mention her name. I hope you're able to recognize the difference between illustrating a point, and bringing disrepute to someone.
@Berthasfave1 Sorry, I'm sick of this stupid childish debate. If you can not be an adult and end it then I will. Good bye then you nationalist sister molester. And don't waste time send me reply, I will delete it without reading it.
@aclock2 This last post perfectly illustrates everything I've written. I truly feel sorry for someone who is so full of hate, immaturity and anger. I will admit one mistake, and that was to even reply to your first post where you reference male genitalia. I should not have even dignified such a post with a reply, because there was no chance at a mature debate. God have mercy on you, and I hope you find peace somehow.
@aclock2 I truly hope you do what's necessary to cleanse your soul, because only someone who is terribly sick inside would've posted such a sick, perverse reply. It speaks volumes about you as a very troubled person. I was the first to suggest this be ended, and I'm glad you finally agree. Peace be with you and I hope God is able to change your heart.
@aclock2 One final point. You say you're sick of the stupid, childish debate, then you go on to post one of the most childish, stupid and perverse comments possible. Are you able to recognize the hypocrisy and irony in that? The only childish comments made were by you, and when I confronted you with them, instead of being mature and responsible and owning up to it, you run away. Very sad indeed. I hope I never hear from you again, so I hope you do delete my replies. May God help you.
@aclock2 By the way, I have attempted to help her, and like you, she refuses to look in the mirror and address her issues. There is only so much one can do to help someone before you realize the case is hopeless. Much the same as I realized that continuing to debate with you was pointless. There comes a point in time where you realize it's best to walk away. As I first stated, we have reached that point. Good bye and good luck.
@Berthasfave1 Thank for your advice, I have looked at the mirror many times before. When there was a conflict between blindly trusting what I was taught since kid or open my eyes and looking at the very truth. Thank to you the encounter with such a blind and , childish and arrogant person made me believe further that I chose the right path. Good luck with your life anyway, sleeping little lamp.
@aclock2 My eyes are wide open, and the only blind person is you who can't differentiate between moral differences. I am able to see the flaws and goodness of things in which I believe. I don't blindly believe in anything, and you're foolish to think so. Continue looking in the mirror until you're able to debate with someone without profanity or childish behavior.
@Berthasfave1 Once again, you are going nut over nothing. You seriously your sister's brother. If you are the one who suggested to end this childish debate where the best you can do is trying to call me immature, then you should be the one who stop first. And you know what ? 20 years later when you truly grow up, when thinking back about this you will laugh at how absurd and childish you once were.
@aclock2 Besides the childish insults and profanity, another reason this is not worth further discussion is because it's going nowhere. We have stated our positions, and we're going over the same ground. It's hit a point where it will just be redundant. Nothing that you say or I say is going to change either ones mind. Once again, goodbye and good fortune.
@Berthasfave1 As an American, you are free to dream it's the greatest country in the world, but if you think the rest of the world think that way. You should seriously stop sucking your own dick and start looking up. I'm not brainwashed because I was taught quite positively about US as a kid but unlike most people who call themself "adult" and still allowing themself to be mind controlled, I've looked our of the box I was put in and see thing the way they actually are.
@aclock2 You are truly ignorant of what I wrote and what I believe. That's because you live in a world where you invent your own reality instead of looking at what's real. I have said repeatedly that America has flaws, but despite that, I believe in her greatness. Being brainwashed is believing in something without seeing anything else. You are the one who is actually brainwashed because you have one view of the US, and that's all you can see.
@aclock2 I truly feel sorry for you because I feel sorry for anyone who's so filled with hate and bitterness that he must throw childish insults while attempting to make an argument. Don't you realize how foolish and ridiculous that makes you look? In the future, if you want people to take you seriously, stop with the immature insults. Goodbye and good luck.
@aclock2 I don't maintain that the US is perfect, or hasn't made mistakes. No nation is perfect. However, when there's a world crisis, the world turns to the US. The US is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, source of world aid. The world doesn't turn to the Saddam Husseins or Ahmadinejads of the world. The world asks the US for help because we're willing and able to help. Please don't try and dispute this, because it's true. And you claim to want the truth, right?
@Berthasfave1 I don't claim that US is evil, and I don't hate US, but I feel eyesore those perfectionists who think everything their Government do is right. I consider the Iraq invasion a wrong thing, and 9/11 might be something sinister when you are not. That's why we have this debate.
@aclock2 If don't believe everything the US gov't does is right, I already stated that. That's fine, you disagree about the Iraq invasion. All I was trying to point out was there was justification for it. It wasn't just the US blindly invading another country. There is no credible evidence that 9/11 was anything other than an al-Qaeda operation. It seems you want to accuse the US of something nefarious in regards to 9/11. Again, it doesn't matter what you believe, it matters what the truth is.
@aclock2 If there were a CIA-bin Laden connection to 9/11, that would about the most embarrassing thing to the US. If bin Laden had been complicit with some in the CIA for 9/11, it seems he'd enjoy nothing more than showing America that part of her own gov't had helped attack her. But yet, I can't find anything to indicate that bin Laden has ever made that claim. Also, I can't find any evidence anywhere to support that notion.
@Berthasfave1 Thing would be very simple if there is an evidence. In fact, I would'nt suspect that there is a connection if US government hasn't used the event to launch an invasion to middle east: Afgha (cause of Binladen, and they could not find BinLaden there, what a joke), Iraq (for a false reason) and may soon be Iran (may also for wmd, of course I highly doubt US would dare to attack if Iran has wmd for real)
@aclock2 The reason Afghanistan was attacked is because the Taliban was allowing the terrorists to use it as a training location. The reason bin Laden was hard to find is because he was being was being hidden. He was obviously in the region because he was found in Pakistan. Iraq was attacked because of violating UN resolutions and the very real belief it had WMDs. If Iran has plans to attack Israel, it should be attacked.
@Berthasfave1 I can barely agree with you about Afghanistan. But when they attacked Iraq all I heard about was WMD not that UN resolution shit of yours. And now you speak as if that UN resolution was the main reason. Why don't you try to open your eyes at least once and see the most obvious reason that anybody who have relatively average level of intelligence could see ?
@aclock2 I'm glad you agree about Afghanistan. The UN resolutions were about WMDs, they weren't about a separate issue. I see very clearly that the issue was WMDs. By the way, my IQ is much higher than the average person's.
@Berthasfave1 I highly doubtful about your IQ being much higher than average. Still, the resolution was about Wmd and it was proven that there is nothing that look like Wmd. It means Iraq was being accused and attacked by a failed reason
@aclock2 My IQ is far above average. The resolutions were about Hussein complying with the inspectors looking for WMDs, which he did not do. The resolutions were supported by many nations, and were violated by Hussein. By not complying, he gave people reason to believe he had them.
@Berthasfave1 You don't have to keep telling me that your IQ is above average. Are you feeling insecure ? Unless, there is solid and undeniable evidence about Wmd. Any belief and doubt are merely opinions. It's unreasonable to start a war based on opinion. Just because a country doesn't let you to get in and violate its independence and secrecy doesn't mean it has WmD. The UN should ask for the examination of area 51 and see how US react
@aclock2 I am very secure about my intelligence. I mentioned it again because you questioned it again. Before questioning someone else's IQ, you might want to check your grammar and spelling. It wasn't an opinion that Hussein violated the UN resolutions, it's a fact. Had Hussein been a more responsible leader, there wouldn't have been resolutions against him. The US isn't a rogue nation like Iraq, so there is no need for a UN resloutions.
@aclock2 Why don't you just admit you hate the US, because it's obvious that you do. I want to know, are you a US citizen or not? And if not, where are you from? I'd like to know because you are obviously biased against America and hate everything she stands for.
@Berthasfave1 Lol, you can not divide hatred from truth. I emphasize the thousandth times that I don't hate US nor I love it. The fact is I see the whole middle East thing a very sinister plan of world resource domination. Yeah, US killed Saddam and BinLaden, 2 massive assholes and deserve some credit for that. But hey, I could be really grateful if your country crush North Korea to the ground cause they have WMD (the real thing), But they don't have oil though, too bad huh ?
@aclock2 Sadly, the US has allowed itself to become dependent on Mid-East oil, and that influences decision-making because it is a vital resource. North Korea has nuclear weapons, and attacking them could trigger a nuclear holocaust. So yes, that does play into how they are dealt with. Natural resources play a part in foreign policy, that's just reality.
@aclock2 You didn't answer my question as to where you're from. I'm willing (and proud) to say that I'm American. Are you willing or not to say where you're from?
@aclock2 The reason Japan attacked America in 1941 was because of a US-imposed oil embargo. Also, Japan attacked China in 1937 in part for China's natural resources. My point is that vital natural resources have instigated wars in the past. It's unfortunate that it happens, but if a country feels threatened, it may resort to war to keep a vital resource available.
@aclock2 If it were up to me, the US would become energy independent, and get out of the Middle East. That we've allowed ourselves to be held hostages to that part of the world boggles my mind. Hopefully, there will come a day where won't need to bother ourselves with countries whose only real contribution to the world today is oil.
@aclock2 You write that you don't hate America, but I believe deep down you do, you just don't admit it. Why do I say this? Because you continue to insist that America kills innocents with no regard. That is simply not true, one could even say it's a lie, and it's anti-American propaganda. You accuse General Sada of lying, but I think you can find the real liar by looking in the mirror. My evidence? Your own statements that America has no regard for innocent life.
@Berthasfave1 You are right at one point. I believe on many occasion America killed innocents with little to no regard. About the hatred thing of yours, I do hate arrogant people who simply see everything in pink. About US, it does what it does to serve its purpose: gaining more power, benefit and influence. The glorious national pride is just a political brainwashing method to make people go nut and sacrifice their life for something that is unreal. It's not worth my hatred.
@aclock2 I knew you hated America, your comments prove it. Your ignorance seems to know no bounds. America does not target innocents, but once again the truth is not important to someone like you who'd rather spew nonsense than tell the truth. The US gains power and influence because it has political and economic systems. that while flawed are some of the best in the world. People love this country because of how great it is, and rightly so.
@Berthasfave1 America does not target innocents. That's I agree in some case, it just doesn't care if innocents are in the way of the target. The evidence about that lie all over in Afghanistan, Iraq and VietNam so don't try to cover it. It's a simple truth that you know but intentionally ignore.
@aclock2 The US takes every precaution that innocents aren't killed, because we care about innocent life. You are sadly mistaken about that. The US targets military positions, not civilian populations. If US soldiers are caught killing civilians intentionally, they should be subject to severe penalties. Fortunately, that rarely happens because most US soldiers are good, honorable people.
@aclock2 Check out the story that came out today about the US Navy's rescue of 13 Iranians who were being held hostage by pirates. They didn't have to help, but they chose to do so. Here's a quote from Iran's foreign ministry spokesman, "We consider the actions of the US forces in saving the lives of Iranian seamen to be a humanitarian and positive act.We think all nations should display such behavior." Not bad for a nation that "intentionally" kills innocents,don't you think?
@aclock2 Ahmadinejad is bent on destroying Israel. If he acquires nuclear weapons, Israel would have every right to attack. Of course, I suspect it wouldn't bother you if Israel were destroyed because I bet you hate Israel as you do America. Would you support an Israeli action to defend herself against Iran?
@Berthasfave1 I want no country to be destroyed. Either Iran, Iraq, US or Israel. If Iran attacked Israel FIRST. Then I will definitely support Israel. However, I fear it's gonna be like the VietNam war, some random US vessel sunk near North Vietnam coast and US thought they were attacked by North Vietnam and started the 21 years war (the North VietNam must be unbelievably stupid to do such thing ).
@aclock2 Because I can admit that America has made mistakes, the Gulf of Tonkin was wrong. However, Iran is a real threat, and may need to be attacked. If Iran gets nuclear weapons, Israel may not have the luxury to allow Iran to strike first. At that point, it may be too late. By the way, the US was in Vietnam long before the Gulf of Tonkin. That was used as a reason to escalate the war.
@Berthasfave1 And as you said US is the most powerful nation in the world right now, so if it turns evil it will be a disaster for humanity. Which I believe both you and me don't want, that's why US need the critism, to stop it from turning into a corrupted country. Blindly follow and agree with everything America Government do without serious consideration only bring the nation to destruction.
Why are only those who say we deserved 9/11 getting the thumbs up, they should be getting "recieved too many negative votes". The Americans who say R.I.P to all Americans that died that day should be getting the top comments.
matrixfan127 1 week ago
Once again, you are going nut over nothing. You seriously your sister's brother. If you are the one who suggested to end this childish debate where the best you can do is trying to call me immature, then you should be the one who stop first. And you know what ? 20 years later when you truly grow up, when thinking back about this you will laugh at how absurd and childish you once were.
aclock2 1 week ago
That is horribly sad
KDubbulous 3 weeks ago
Guys osama said " this was was a cry of war and was more fantastic then we expected"Look at us arguing. Were frickn american so y can't we just accepted this happen and move one remembering we got revenge. And if BinLaden was innocent (doubted) then we still devised an operation to kill a horriy evil man.
2GodsofCod 3 weeks ago
Everyone knows that he Cia was behind this. People are just to stupid to see it. It's clear.
lolme123456789 1 month ago
@aclock2 shut up you prick with no pennis nor soul!
blackswanguy 1 month ago
@blackswanguy I'm afraid my penis is longer than yours, so does my soul. Just because I don't believe 9-11 was created by some jack ass middle easterners who still hide in cave and using AK 47 as their main weapon doesn't make me lose my penis or soul.
aclock2 1 month ago
GUYS BE RESPECTFULL, 6 HONORABLE MUSLIMS DIED THAT DAY
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125tomcalvelo74 2 months ago
Oh yeah... lets just compile a bunch of images where hundreds of people died and put a fucking song to it. Fuck you asshole.
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I'm sorry about this happening. I believe that Thai people do not regret it. +
TheGodlikered21 2 months ago
The terrorists destroyed buildings on 9/11, but they will never destroy the American spirit. In fact, all they did was awaken a sleeping giant, just as the Japanese did on December 7, 1941. God Bless America.
Berthasfave1 2 months ago
@Berthasfave1 How about you look into 9/11 more, and some history. Start off with researching WTC 7...
arc175 1 month ago
@arc175 What is your point exactly? That terrorists didn't destroy the buildings on 9/11? Don't bother me with your nutty conspiracy theories. The fact is Muslim terrorists attacked America on 9/11. I've researched 9/11 and that's what happened. Period. End of story.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 /watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU&feature=BFa&list=WLFBE7F4F3F98F77B3&lf=mh_lolz
arc175 1 month ago
@arc175 wow, great comeback.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 wasn't a comeback...
arc175 1 month ago
@arc175 what was it then?
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 just trying to have you get two points of view, not being mean about it. It doesn't matter who did this, it was still sick to humanity
arc175 1 month ago
@arc175 First, the link didn't go anywhere. Second, I've seen both sides, and it's clear that Muslim extremists were responsible. Third, it does matter who did this, because those responsible must be held accountable. It's also important because those who try to place blame where it doesn't belong are being dishonest and irresponsible.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 nah..our own government,president...vice president..along with alot of other political officials are the "terrorists" responsible for this..& proved it in so many ways..like how the president didnt find it necessary to get in his bunker while planes r said to be runnin into buildings all around him...y? cuz he knew that they werent gonna hit the white house which shuldve been the main target that the so called terrorists hit..americans died so gov culd rid evidence in tower #7
trayceerae13 1 month ago
@trayceerae13 Gee, thanks for cracking the case. So your evidence for a conspiracy is that Bush didn't return to a place they believed was a target? Who in their right mind would go to a place that was a potential target? After hitting the towers and Pentagon, of course it was suspected the White House was a target. If that's the basis for your belief, you're pretty desperate to believe in a conspiracy. Muslim terrorists were the perpetrators. Believe what you wish, that's the truth.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 Lol, many people believe that it was an inside job to give the US a reason to attack Afghanistan and Iraq (and will soon be Iran). It was officially masterminded by Bin Laden, an ex CIA agent, and 5 of the participants were suspected receiving training from US military facilities. If you want American spirit, why don't you go cut off your own dick.
aclock2 1 month ago
@aclock2 As much as it pains me to respond to an ignorant fool like you, the people who believe 9/11 was an inside job are sad, pathetic people who base their belief on distortions and misrepresentations. Whenever someone has to resort to childish, immature personal attacks, it shows the weakness of your argument. When someone's losing a court case, their tactic is to attack the other side rather than to rely on the facts. This is exactly what you did with your infantile insult.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 I understand that you have deep hatred for terrorist that clouded your mind, but there is no need to be that aggressive and rude. The only difference between you and me is I'm able to keep my mind cool to at least try to understand what happened, while you quickly believe in and blindly follow whatever appeared first in your sight . So about the childish, immature and ignorant things, I think you should keep them for yourself.
aclock2 1 month ago
@aclock2 You're a joke. The only thing clouded is your brain to believe nonsense instead of the truth. You're think you're cool to believe lies and mistruths. That's not cool, that's being a fool. You're the one who is rude and aggressive and childish. Who but a childish, infantile, misinformed person would mention the male sexual organ in a debate? And yes, I hate what the Muslim terrorists did on 9/11. Murdering innocents should be a hated act.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 Let me tell the truth. The truth is BinLaden was working for the Government back in 1980. Then he suddenly changed side and planed the 9-11 which CIA had no idea about, resulted in a domino effect which led to the fall of Afghanistan and then Iraq for a false reason (and will soon be Iran). Millions of innocents were murdered in these wars, I don't say that it's 100% an inside job but I'm sure that things are more complicated than they look. Stop being such a clown
aclock2 1 month ago
@aclock2 The truth is the claims about CIA ties to bin Laden are dubious. And even if true, it was to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan. The Taliban was harboring terrorists in Afghanistan, so they were attacked. Virtually every intelligence service believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Ahmadinejad is a dangerous man who'd destroy Israel if given the chance. There have not been millions of innocents killed, that's incorrect, and the US doesn't target innocents like the terrorists do.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 US obviously doesn't target innocents the same way as terrorist, since bombs have area of effect. I don't believe every intelligence services of a developed country like US can be that incompetence. If Iraq really had WMD, US would think twice before attacking them as Saddam would nuke the shit out of their ass. More over, there is undoubtedly a strong connection between Bin and US in the past, whether their honeymoon has ended before 9/11 or not only the 2 know
aclock2 1 month ago
@aclock2 You missed the point. There is a huge difference between people who deliberately target innocents, and those that happen to kill innocents while trying to kill the enemy. All the major intelligence services believed Iraq had WMDs. Obviously, the US was willing to take the risk in Iraq to eliminate what it believed were WMDs. I'm sure much thought was given to it. There is not undoubtedly a strong connection between bin Laden and the US. There are differing opinions.
Berthasfave1 1 month ago
@Berthasfave1 You are the one who is missing the point here, there is no difference between those who target innocents and those who know they might kill innocents but don't give a shit. And I think all the major intelligence services knew that there is NO wmd. They said the opposite because the Government wanted them to. Also, the relationship between Bin Laden and US is no secret, as everybody know US helped him against the Russian. Even the US can not deny it.
aclock2 4 weeks ago
@aclock2 There is a huge moral difference between targeting innocents as the terrorists do, and the US who does what it can to avoid killing innocents. I think your hatred for the US is blinding your objectivity. As I said, all the major intelligence services believed Iraq had WMDs. They weren't coerced into saying so. As I also said, there are differing opinions as to the US-bin Laden connection. Even if true, it was to fight the Russians and has no connection to 9/11.
Berthasfave1 4 weeks ago
I have no hatred for US, I simply demand the truth and all the answers so far were very insufficient for someone like me who is not a blindly US lover. And please don't tell me that you don't know how many people US has killed by chemical weapons and how many UN resolution shit they (and many other nations) has violated. Also, the possibility of all the intelligence sources being wrong seem pretty incredible to me.
aclock2 4 weeks ago
@aclock2 What answers do you believe are insufficient? It's interesting that you change the subject to the US violations of UN resolutions (I can't find any) when confronted with Hussein violating them. The US has never used chemical weapons on its own people as Hussein did. The US has used them in war, but there's never been a UN resolution requiring the US to show its weapons arsenal. It seems like you want to make the case that the US and Iraq are moral equivalents, when they're not.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 So it's ok to use chemical weapon against people from other counties? And don't make me laugh, it's you who changed the subject to chemical and resolution not me. Answers that are not satisfy me
1: Why attack Iraq: They have WMD
2: Why attack Afghanistan: BinLaden is there and protected by the leaders
3: Why not attack North Korea eventhough they have WMD: -,-
4; Why throw BinLaden corpse to the sea: to avoid Muslim consider his grave a holy place.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 There is a difference between using chemical weapons in a war situation and using them against your own people. Surely you can understand that. The US hasn't used chemical weapons since WWI, and now has banned the use of them. I didn't change the subject, you deflected attention away from Saddam to the US....we've been over questions 1 and 2. North Korea also has nuclear weapons, so that could trigger a nuclear nightmare. bin Laden was buried in accord with Muslim custom and practice.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 US hasn't used chemical weapon since WW2 ? Lol, haven't you noticed that the Vietnam war was long after WW1 ? There are still plenty of evidence about US chemical weapon living in that country right now. And Bin Laden wasn't buried, sir. He was thrown for the fish.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 The US hasn't used chemical weapons for the express purpose of killing since WWI. Agent Orange was used in Vietnam as a defoliant, not with the express purpose of killing, although deaths did result. It's called burial at sea....have you never heard of it? US servicemen who die at sea are buried in the same fashion.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Most of the time, the agent orange does not kill, it's only give the breathers with some sort of cancer, or for those who have the luck of a whore: some decomposed childrens. Forgive me I'm unable to see the difference between that and chemical weapon.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 Sadly, Agent Orange killed almost as much as it maimed. The difference is in the intent. It was not used for the express purpose of killing, it was used as a defoliant. Surely someone of average intelligence can see that.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Another mistake ? I think US Government was well aware about what agent Orange side effect, they just didn't give a shit
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 Once again, you're showing your ignorance and anti-American bias. The full effects of Agent Orange weren't known until around 1970, at which time the use of Agent Orange was stopped.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Once again you are showing stupidity and blindly love. Even if they did not know the particular effect, they should've known that it contains elements that are harmful for human body.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 I see you can't help yourself with the personal insults. How sad and pathetic that is that you can't debate without resort to them. I guess if you can't argue facts, you need to resort to insults. Shows the mind of someone who is not so intelligent. There is no way to know for sure the full effects until something is actually used. As soon as it was shown to be harmful, it was stopped. That's a fact.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 You know what is funny ? I'm always polite to those who is civilized to me and rude to those who is being asshole. Perhaps you did not realize it but your previous replies were very offensive and insulting to me. And now you are criticize me for being offensive, it's a new level of asshole you are displaying here.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 The reason I brought up Iraq defying UN resolutions is because those resolutions were about Iraq's possession of WMDs, and Hussein was supposed to reveal to UN inspectors his stockpile of WMDs. He did not comply fully, and that is part of the reason for the Iraq war. Also, bin Laden was buried within 24 hours as per Muslim custom, and he was buried at sea most likely so there wouldn't be a shrine for his followers to gather. I don't see a problem with that.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Of course there is a problem. We can't see his corpse unlike Saddam and Gadafi. And there is no picture. And if the shrine thing is possible, then there is quite a number of Muslim who love Bin Laden and hate US. I wonder why ? may be they are all severely brainwashed and could not realize the greatness and goodness of America.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 Why on earth would the US allow a shrine for a man who was responsible for the deaths of at least 3000 Americans? You can't be serious. Let me clue you into something, the people who love bin Laden (as you do) have been hating America long before this. It's too bad they're blinded (like you) with a hatred for America, and can't see any good that America has. Millions of people come here for opportunity. I don't see many, if any, people wanting to immigrate to the Middle East.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 I assure you that I "love" BinLaden as much as George Bush. I agree that many people are "blinded" with hatred for America, especially those who have family members killed "by mistakes" (and there are many millions of such people). And US do not allow immigrant because of good, it allows them because it needs cheap hardworking labor force. It's a beneficial deal for US so please don't make it sound holiness to me.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 You don't need to put quotation marks around mistakes. There are situations where innocents are unfortunately killed, but they are mistakes and not intentional. I'm talking about the millions of people who have emigrated here for over 100 years, and continue to do so. They come here of their own volition, they're not forced to come here.
The reason they do is because of the opportunity America has. They may start out in a low position, but can raise themselves up with hard work.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 I would appreciate it if you keep the number of your reply around 5. There is no need to go nut over a small youtube debate. When few civilian are killed it's unfortunate. When over a thousand killed it's an unforgivable mistake. When million killed it's a war crime. And very few of those immigrants actually successful (just look at the number of US billionaires, how many were immigrants except for the criminal ones ? ). Most immigrants being slave class
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 I'll reply as much as I want. That's for me to decide, not you. It's typical of people like you to state numbers that have no basis. There haven't been millions of innocents killed. Of course, facts don't matter to people like you. Being a success in America doesn't mean being a billionaire. It means improving your lot in life, which is why they come here and not elsewhere.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Fact is matter more to me than a blind love and unrealistic view about a country.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 It's not blind love, it's love of country. If you stopped to read what is written, I've said the US has mistakes. However, you read and believe what you want to, not what is actually written or true.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 The way you say: " as noble as America" or " the greatest country in the world" already show how blind you are. You obviously see US as a great and noble country which is laughable to me cause I always think US is less than average in term of goodness but top of the world in term of propaganda and brainwashing. You are merely a victim, no more no less.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Compared to most, America is a very young country. Despite that, the US is the world's superpower. That's because the US has a system politically and economically that allows people the freedom to succeed and become whatever they wish. That attracts many people to come here for the opportunity the US offers. Other countries and people are envious of that and make derogatory statements such as you do. We're not perfect, and we have problems, but we have freedom most people dont enjoy.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 It's pretty sick that you'd compare bin Laden to Bush. bin Laden purposely killed at least 3000 Americans. Bush went to war for what he thought was a just cause. Why is it that you're unable to see the difference between intentional killing of innocents and' those killed mistakenly as a result of war? I bet I can guess what you're thinking, Bush meant for those innocent to be killed right??? It seems you can't make moral distinctions that a person of average intelligence could.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Funny you think that way. BinLaden killed (perharps ordered to kill) 3000 by intention. Bush invaded Afghanistan killing hundred thousands by mistakes Ok, i suppose that war was justifiable. But then he invaded Iraq for a clearly made up reason and led another hundreds thousands both American and Iraq to death FOR A FAILED REASON. That was not justifiable. Frankly, Bush was a much bigger bastard than Binladen in term of killing, intentional or not.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 The numbers you state are simply wrong, but the truth obviously doesn't matter to you. It is nowhere near hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan. The violation of UN resolutions is not a made up reason. Maybe someday you'll be able to understand the difference between intentional killing and those killed as a result of war. It's pathetic that you think Bush is worse than bin Laden. Intentional killing of innocents is not the same as those who unfortunately die as a result of a war.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Are you dumb or what ? I said the Wmd is a made up reason, not Wmd. And in a war, the number of people die in battle is not the total number who die. There are many who were indirectly killed by losing their home, hunger, unstable and violent environment. Why don't you just open your blind eyes and look at the obvious fact ( Of course I aware you consider those nothing to with US). Also, unintentional kill and just don't give a shit are different if you understand..
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Sorry, I was wrong in the last reply: I sard Wmd is a made up reason not that UN resolution of yours.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 My sad little friend, stop with the insults and stick to the argument at hand and please keep up. It wasn't a made up reason, the UN resolutions were specifically about WMDs. If you would open your eyes and look at facts instead of your wild accusations, you'd be better served. We were speaking of innocents killed, not the total number. Even so, you claim millions have been killed. Can you prove that? I didn't think so because you'd rather not engage in facts.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Oh boy, I actually can prove that millions have been killed by the war. Still, it will be quite some effort to find show evidence to somebody who will eventually deny them. Just promise me that you will be willing to open your eyes. I don't want you to hate America, I just want you to know the truth that it's not nearly as noble and great as you see it. It's an average country in term of goodness, no more no less.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 You'll just never get it will you. How blind does someone have to be to not recognize that intentionally killing someone is not the same as intentionally targeting them. The cost of war is unfortunate, but had the terrorists not struck us on 9/11, there wouldn't have been a need to attack Afghanistan. So you can blame bin Laden and his cohorts for starting the war. They took the first shot, of course there was going to be response. But I guess blaming the US is easier.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 You keep insisting on the difference between killing intentionally and unintentionally, but you could not realize the difference between killing by mistake and just don't give a shit, do you ?
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 American has become the most powerful nation on earth because millions of people wanted to come here for a better life. Many people have come here with little or nothing, and become very prosperous. Either that, or their children or grandchildren became successful. If you asked 1000 people where would you rather be, the Mideast or America, I'd be willing to guess that at least 990 or more would pick America. We have problems here, but people still come here for the opportunity.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 People come to America because it's the richest country in the world. But if someday another country become the richest in the world. People will flow there, it's natural for human to find places they think better to live in. And America also greatly benefit from those people. Most of them become the labour class to serve the now fat and lazy original citizens, some with high expertise make significant contribution. It's a good deal on both side, no more, no less
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 The point is that America is the greatest country in the world, and that isn't going to change. I was right, your rhetoric proves you hate America. There will always be lower and middle classes, that's a fact. Not everyone has the drive or ability to become wealthy. The fact is, many do progress up the ladder or their kids or grandkids do. The opportunity is here in America that doesn't exist elsewhere.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Now you begin to show your arrogance and blind love. "The point is America is the greatest country in the world and that isn't going to change". Naive little boy, in 1000 years, America as well as many other nations will become a page in the history book. Even the much greater Roman Empire has gone with time. It's simply natural rule that no human can deny. And if I wasn't wrong, America is not only the good place to be rich, it's also a good place to be homeless.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 America has the greatest opportunities for people to succeed than anywhere else. Many people succeed, but some don't due for various reasons. There are programs in place to help those in need with shelter and food. America is a great country in the world because of the chance to succeed and the help that's available if you don't. Until someone comes along and proves otherwise, the US is the greatest country in the world. I don't see any country taking the US' unique role in the world.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Again with the America ass kissing. It proves further that you are blindly loving it. However, I don't deny that America is a rich country and there are many great opportunities there. However, unlike you who only looking at the billionaires and rich happy folks. I extend my eyes further to those homeless people everywhere from Newyork to Los Angeles, as well as those criminals, bank robbers, mafia, physio killers. Anyway I agree that US is a great place for the rich
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Still, I appreciate it when actual goods are done. Like the US navy rescue you were talking about. Unfortunately, such things happen so few to the point that a small rescue are known world wide. Of course I still very appreciate it, but I think it could be even better if something like that happen so often that nobody bother giving news about it anymore.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 The point is that it did happen, and the US Navy was responsible. It very probably does happen more often, but we just don't hear about every noble deed. It would be nice if other countries were as noble as the US. By the way, you still haven't answered the question of where you're from. Are you ashamed of your country and don't want to admit where you're from?
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 "It would be nice if other countries were as noble as the US" Where the fuck do you come from kid ? Mar ? At the least you one more time show your arrogance and blind love. Something like that happen everywhere, unlike in America though. They do not announce world wide when they do some good things because it happens a lot there.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Listen son, stop with the profanity. It just shows a lack of intelligence. The US is the most generous country on earth, and it would be good if others followed her example. I love this country because of its basic deceny, goodness and generosity. As I've stated, when there's a crisis, the US leads the way to help. The quote I gave you was from an Iranian official, not an American. The US doesn't need to trumpet its goodness, the world already knows it.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Hey kid, I'm a part of the world and I obviously see things different than you are. May be you think that most of the world think positive about US. It's cutely naive, I myself is the evidence, I don't hate US but since I'm not an American. I see it as a nation who works for its benefit, power, domination and respect from others, I'm totally fine with it.I just feel sick when some stupid brainwashed kid shows up and talk like America is something great and shit
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Just so you know, the main reason I post so much is because of the nonsensical and ignorant statements you make. Unfortunately, it's necessary to combat so much of what you write because so much of it is just mistruths and incorrect statements.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 The reason you post so much is because you are an arrogant nationalist who can not stand people telling things that are not pink, good looking or glorious about his nation. Btw, I'm from Australia if that's what you so curious about, I don't care if you criticize it, as long as it's truth you are speaking.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Wow, you just read and believe what you want. I've said the US has problems and makes mistakes, but despite her flaws, I love my country and will defend her against lies and ignorance. If you actualy are an Aussie, that's a lot of hatred coming from one ally to another. I see that no matter what, you'll hate America, but that doesn't matter. America's greatness isn't diminished because someone like you hates her. There's always opposition to whomever or whatever is best.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Again may be you are too stupid to realize, but I don't hate America. I'm simply see it the way it is. And yeah, America greatness or evilness will not change because of you or me speaking, so why bother.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 We should end this discussion, because it's going nowhere, and it's degenerating into personal insults and profanity. You see something sinister in everything about America, and while you're wrong, you're entitled to your opinion. I believe if you were fortunate enough to live here, you'd feel differently. The greatness of the US comes from her history, structure and people, and it doesn't matter if people hate her. Being the best comes with a price that we're willing to pay.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 200 years history of US doesn't look that great to me. Still, Aus history is not any better if not worse. So whatever, we should end this crap, I only hope you will see things less pinky and more realistic but I clearly fail to do so.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 I will no longer discuss America, Irag, Iran, Vietnam or Afghanistan with you. I will not discuss anything further with someone who can't make an argument without being petulant and immature. You have your opinions of America, and I have mine. I believe it's the greatest country in the world, as many others do. This argument is going nowhere, and never will. You say I see things in only one color, when in reality it's you that does that. You can't differentiate between intentional...
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 and unintentional killing. You see bin Laden and Bush through the same lens. I am able to see shades of gray and differences between people and countries, where as you lump everything and everyone together. We disagree, and we will have to agree to disagree. You have the right to your opinion, but thankfully that doesn't change the reality of America. I thank God everyday that I'm lucky enough to live in the greatest country in the world.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Another reason I will not discuss this further with you us because for some reason you can't form arguments without profanity and childish insults. I'm a fully formed adult, son, not some brainwashed kid as you like to think. I believe in America's greatness, despite her flaws, which seems difficult for you to deal with. Personally, at this point, I couldn't care less what you think of the US. The rest of the world turns to the US in times of trouble, so that must tell you something.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 If you don't want to discuss further, fine. But don't make lame excuse such as" You can't form argument". Just because you are unable to understand what I said doesn't mean they are not argument. And frankly speaking, most of the world will be grateful if America stops providing "help" when not being asked. Stop "helping" in areas that have rich resources and start helping on where people really need help like Africa, north Korea. Or you should just focus on your own.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 If you stopped to actually read what I wrote, I said you are unable to form arguments without childish immature insults or profanity, and you proved my point with your second post. I truly feel sorry for you because you are such an angry, bitter person. I didn't realize you were a spokeman for the world, but America will continue to help wherever it's needed.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 It's not a wise thing to say goodbye yet still writing provocative comments. Like you said America had flaws, I did not deny that America has some good points, the matter is you seem never really pay attention which led to your false belief that I hate US. I could say the same thing about any nation including Australia as long as it's the true.Our biggest difference here is you believe US is a great justice fighter while I think it's no better than any other country
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 It's extremely funny coming from you about provocative comments seeing as how you write profanity and vulgar comments. I don't recall any positive comments from you about the US. Even if that's true, the overwhelmingly majority of comments were negative. Once again, you are unable to see differences and distinctions between countrues. The US is the greatest country in the world. I'm sure Australia is a fine country, but it doesn't have the influence or power of the US.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@Berthasfave1 Anyway, keep dreaming, just don't let your heart get shattered too much when US is no longer the richest country in the world. And I'm sure it will happen not far in the future. Not like it's big deal to me anyway. Bye.
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 If you don't want such comments directed at you, then don't engage in them yourself. My sense of self-worth isn't dependent on whether America is the most powerful nation on earth. In the unlikely event that happens, it would be a sad day for the world. Having the US in its current position is a positive for the world. Goodbye and good luck.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@Berthasfave1 Obviously you did not read what I wrote fully. And once again you give me an urge to ***** with your self sucking style. It doesn't matter whether US remains richest or not. The world doesn't need a country which are exceptionally great at propaganda and brain washing but less than average in doing actual goods.
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 And once again, the child in you comes out. You seem to be a very emotionally immature person who must resort to childish and petty language. I did read what you wrote and responded appropriately. You said the US won't always be the richest country in the world. I disagreed. Part of the power of the US comes from its riches. Poor countries are unable to exercise power. Get over it please. The US is the greatest, most powerful nation. Countries, like people, are different. Goodbye.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@aclock2 I believe you're emotionally immature because when someone disagrees with you, you respond with childish, immature language.You remind me of my sister. She's unable to deal with someone disagreeing with her,and lashes out when they do. Also,instead of just disagreeing and parting ways, she keeps on trying to convince you of her position. My sense is you were raised during the self-esteem movement where kids are taught that everyone's the same,regardless of outcome.Life isn't that way.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@Berthasfave1 Thank you for helping me learning more about American. Arrogant, self absorbed and dreamy outside while being a total dick inside. If what you said about your sister was true I must say you are really fit to be her brother. Wait, actually there is one thing you can do that will surely help America to take a significant step in its world domination process. Point a gun to your head and pull the trigger.
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 Every time you write, you prove all my points. Just because someone disagrees with you, you have to throw personal insults. You're unable to just agree to disagree, which is a sign of immaturity. How angry and bitter you are to suggest someone kill themselves. You're simply a pathetic, hateful, childish person. I wish you'd never responded to my post in the first place. I feel bad for someone so filled with bitterness and anger. You're exactly like my sister. God help you.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@Berthasfave1 And please, stop bitching about me insulting you this time cause you are the one who start first. Hypocrite is not something you need to add into the horrific collection of your characteristics.
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 Please, you can't be serious. Anything I wrote to you pales in comparison to what you wrote. The worst thing I wrote was you're childish and immature, which from what you wrote is spot on. Anything I wrote was in response to what you wrote, and I never cursed at you or spewed the kind of hate you have. Why don't you just look in the mirror and admit that what you've written is far worse than anything I have? I don't see that happening because that would take maturity. God help you.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@aclock2 Fortunately, my sister and I are nothing alike. But you are exactly like her. It's OK for you to spew vile language, but if someone responds to that and calls you on it, you accuse them of being a hypocrite. That's hypocritical. Another sign of emotional immaturity is projecting your own issues onto someone else. Once again, you prove my point. God help you, because you need it.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@aclock2 I truly believe you need God's help to overcome the anger,bitterness and hate that are evident in your writings.I do feel bad for someone who is unable to maturely discuss something without resorting to insults and profanity. I disagree with you 100%, but I have no personal animus towards you. I don't wish you any ill will or misfortune. I hope eventually you're able to discuss something without using such ill-advised language.Hopefully,you'll mature to the point where that's possible.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@Berthasfave1 May be you did not realize it but the more you wrote, the more you look like the sister you described to me. Perhaps it's yourself subconsciously ? and frankly, the way you keep haunting and insulting me is very childish and sad. Ok, calm down, don't go nut yet. Why don't we just keep it cool and end it here like 2 grow up people ? Of course, if you want to write a load more of silly childish comments, I don't mind play along, though I think it's dumb and pointless.
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 Once again, your emotional immaturity emerges and you make my point. Projecting your flaws onto me is exactly what I pointed out. I have not insulted you, I have simply pointed out your character flaws. You on the other hand began this discussion with a reference to the male sex organ and ended it by urging me to commit suicide. Talk about childish and sad. How about looking in the mirror? But that's another truth about immaturity,pointing the fingers at others and not being accountable
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@aclock2 I was the first to suggest ending this discussion, but you continued your rant against America. Let me make a suggestion to you, if you aren't able to engage in a mature, serious debate without profanity, urging people to commit suicide or other insults, then don't engage in a deabte until you're capable of doing so. In other words, grow up. May God help you.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@aclock2 All the attributes I described about my sister are reflected in you,not me. If you stopped to actually reflect,you'd see that's true. It's amazing how you continuously deflect your own behavior, but that's immaturity for you.You were the one who responded to my initial post, so if anyone is stalking it's you.How sad to now make such a pathetic accusation. And now you want to say I was the one making childish comments? Look in the mirror and you'll find the author of those. God help you.
Berthasfave1 1 week ago
@Berthasfave1 Also, I think you should show more respect to your sister. Even if she is emotional disorder (like you are ) she is still your blood related sister. You should sympathize with her and trying to help her (as well as yourself) to get better instead of exposing her problem to a complete stranger. It's not an appropriate behavior and I believe she will not be proud of you for that.
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 Here's another suggestion; worry about your own issues of immaturity and problems. Look in the mirror and improve yourself. You have no idea who I am, and you don't know my sister, so I wasn't exposing anything. I was simply using the example of what she's like to illustrate your own issues. Hopefully, you'll take some time to concentrate on dealing with your issues instead of incorrectly stating I did something inappropriate. Grow up and work on yourself. Good bye and God help you.
Berthasfave1 6 days ago
@Berthasfave1 Also, I don't like the way you disrespect your sister. That's a problem you need to fix before telling me to worry about my own issue. I believe she did not hear you not because she was arrogant but because you used a wrongful and disrespectful attitude, or may be you just never tried it. Not to mention that you clearly are the one who is clearly having mental issues here, so may be she is actually a normal person.
aclock2 6 days ago
@aclock2 Your lack of insight and wisdom is astonishing. You have no idea who my sister is, so there was nothing damaging to her. It was simply to point out how you are similar to her. She didn't hear me because she thinks she's never wrong. Mental issues? Coming from you that is beyond ridiculous. A mentally challenged person is someone who refers to body parts and suggests someone put a gun to their head while trying to make an argument. You're the one with serious issues. Deal with them.
Berthasfave1 6 days ago
@Berthasfave1 Have you ever thought that you are the one who are wrong here ? Of course not: Adults and books always true, aren't they ? Even when they all come from 1 source. And I'm sorry to use adult language that was so much of a big deal to you, I would be more pleasant if I realized how much of a child you are.
aclock2 6 days ago
@aclock2 It isn't adult or mature to use profanity and vulgar language when debating someone. That's what infantile minds do. Adults are able to debate a topic sensibly without resorting to childish language. If you were a mature adult, you would see that you were wrong to do that and apologize. I never used profane or vulgar language, you did.
Berthasfave1 4 days ago
@aclock2 I have attempted to have an adult debate with you. I have never cursed you, wished you any ill, or thrown vulgar statememts your way. I have questioned your wisdom, maturity and factual grasp of the issues, which are based on what you wrote. The only reason I respond to you now is to refute the comments you make without basis or fact.
Berthasfave1 6 days ago
@Berthasfave1 And between someone who keep blabbing about the greatness of his country while ignore their crime or pretend that they are no big deal, at the same time using his own alike sister as an example of immaturity and mental illness. And someone who used bad language (that's many people do), who tried hard to break through his own prejudice to see thing the way they actually are. Who do you think would have mental illness ?
aclock2 6 days ago
@aclock2 You are beginning to really trouble me with how you ignore reality, and what I've written. It's troubling because you have a pre-conceived notion, and regardless of the facts, stick to that notion. I said America has made mistakes, but despite that, I love my country and believe in her. I believe you may be worse than my sister. I only brought her up to illustrate my sense about you, and you are proving that you are possibly worse off than she is. God help you.
Berthasfave1 4 days ago
@Berthasfave1 Frankly, I don't recall cursing you or wishing you any ill. And please don't pretend that you are using polite language the whole time. I could find you quite a number of offensive language from you in case you don't remember. The only reason you respond to me is your stubbornness which make you refuse that you are wrong, ,and instead of the initial subject you slowly focus on "questioning my wisdom and immaturity ". Like a child, you choose fist when you can't talk
aclock2 6 days ago
@aclock2 If you don't recall, then you should go back and check the facts. Hopefully, you'll be grown up enough to do so. So you don't consider suggesting someone putting a gun to their head wishing them ill? You also used profanity, and began the debate by childishly referencing the male sex organ. I may have used strong language, but I didn't use crude language or profanity. There is no comparison between what you wrote and what I wrote.
Berthasfave1 4 days ago
@aclock2 Wrong about what? My belief in America? Opinions are neither right or wrong, they're opinions. I stopped the debate because it had run its course, and it had degenerated by your use of profane and crude language, which is the sign of an immature and childish person. I don't need profanity or crude language to make my points. Point the finger of childish behavior in the right direction, at yourself. Stop projecting your own problems onto others. Reflect on yourself so you can grow.
Berthasfave1 4 days ago
@aclock2 For the record, when I make a mistake, I admit I'm wrong, just as when America makes a mistake, I'll say she's wrong. I'm a very fair and objective person. I look at things through the prism of right and wrong, not any ideological bent. I prefer talk shows that are not ideological in nature, but that focus on being objective. I'm willing to stand up for the US and defend her when she's right, and say she's wrong when she's wrong. I believe in America strongly and am grateful I live here
Berthasfave1 4 days ago
@aclock2 If you're implying that it was wrong to mention my sister simply to illustrate a point, then you're wrong. Harming someone's reputation is wrong, but there was no harm whatsoever done to her. You have no idea who she is, and never will. That's why I question your wisdom and insight. There was no scandal brought to her because I didn't mention her name. I hope you're able to recognize the difference between illustrating a point, and bringing disrepute to someone.
Berthasfave1 4 days ago
@Berthasfave1 Sorry, I'm sick of this stupid childish debate. If you can not be an adult and end it then I will. Good bye then you nationalist sister molester. And don't waste time send me reply, I will delete it without reading it.
aclock2 3 days ago
@aclock2 This last post perfectly illustrates everything I've written. I truly feel sorry for someone who is so full of hate, immaturity and anger. I will admit one mistake, and that was to even reply to your first post where you reference male genitalia. I should not have even dignified such a post with a reply, because there was no chance at a mature debate. God have mercy on you, and I hope you find peace somehow.
Berthasfave1 1 day ago
@aclock2 I truly hope you do what's necessary to cleanse your soul, because only someone who is terribly sick inside would've posted such a sick, perverse reply. It speaks volumes about you as a very troubled person. I was the first to suggest this be ended, and I'm glad you finally agree. Peace be with you and I hope God is able to change your heart.
Berthasfave1 1 day ago
@aclock2 One final point. You say you're sick of the stupid, childish debate, then you go on to post one of the most childish, stupid and perverse comments possible. Are you able to recognize the hypocrisy and irony in that? The only childish comments made were by you, and when I confronted you with them, instead of being mature and responsible and owning up to it, you run away. Very sad indeed. I hope I never hear from you again, so I hope you do delete my replies. May God help you.
Berthasfave1 4 hours ago
@aclock2 By the way, I have attempted to help her, and like you, she refuses to look in the mirror and address her issues. There is only so much one can do to help someone before you realize the case is hopeless. Much the same as I realized that continuing to debate with you was pointless. There comes a point in time where you realize it's best to walk away. As I first stated, we have reached that point. Good bye and good luck.
Berthasfave1 6 days ago
@Berthasfave1 Thank for your advice, I have looked at the mirror many times before. When there was a conflict between blindly trusting what I was taught since kid or open my eyes and looking at the very truth. Thank to you the encounter with such a blind and , childish and arrogant person made me believe further that I chose the right path. Good luck with your life anyway, sleeping little lamp.
aclock2 6 days ago
@aclock2 My eyes are wide open, and the only blind person is you who can't differentiate between moral differences. I am able to see the flaws and goodness of things in which I believe. I don't blindly believe in anything, and you're foolish to think so. Continue looking in the mirror until you're able to debate with someone without profanity or childish behavior.
Berthasfave1 6 days ago
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@Berthasfave1 Once again, you are going nut over nothing. You seriously your sister's brother. If you are the one who suggested to end this childish debate where the best you can do is trying to call me immature, then you should be the one who stop first. And you know what ? 20 years later when you truly grow up, when thinking back about this you will laugh at how absurd and childish you once were.
aclock2 1 week ago
@aclock2 Besides the childish insults and profanity, another reason this is not worth further discussion is because it's going nowhere. We have stated our positions, and we're going over the same ground. It's hit a point where it will just be redundant. Nothing that you say or I say is going to change either ones mind. Once again, goodbye and good fortune.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 As an American, you are free to dream it's the greatest country in the world, but if you think the rest of the world think that way. You should seriously stop sucking your own dick and start looking up. I'm not brainwashed because I was taught quite positively about US as a kid but unlike most people who call themself "adult" and still allowing themself to be mind controlled, I've looked our of the box I was put in and see thing the way they actually are.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 You are truly ignorant of what I wrote and what I believe. That's because you live in a world where you invent your own reality instead of looking at what's real. I have said repeatedly that America has flaws, but despite that, I believe in her greatness. Being brainwashed is believing in something without seeing anything else. You are the one who is actually brainwashed because you have one view of the US, and that's all you can see.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 And guess what, I'm proud of it and at the same time, feel pity for people like you.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 I truly feel sorry for you because I feel sorry for anyone who's so filled with hate and bitterness that he must throw childish insults while attempting to make an argument. Don't you realize how foolish and ridiculous that makes you look? In the future, if you want people to take you seriously, stop with the immature insults. Goodbye and good luck.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 I don't maintain that the US is perfect, or hasn't made mistakes. No nation is perfect. However, when there's a world crisis, the world turns to the US. The US is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, source of world aid. The world doesn't turn to the Saddam Husseins or Ahmadinejads of the world. The world asks the US for help because we're willing and able to help. Please don't try and dispute this, because it's true. And you claim to want the truth, right?
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 I don't claim that US is evil, and I don't hate US, but I feel eyesore those perfectionists who think everything their Government do is right. I consider the Iraq invasion a wrong thing, and 9/11 might be something sinister when you are not. That's why we have this debate.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 If don't believe everything the US gov't does is right, I already stated that. That's fine, you disagree about the Iraq invasion. All I was trying to point out was there was justification for it. It wasn't just the US blindly invading another country. There is no credible evidence that 9/11 was anything other than an al-Qaeda operation. It seems you want to accuse the US of something nefarious in regards to 9/11. Again, it doesn't matter what you believe, it matters what the truth is.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 If there were a CIA-bin Laden connection to 9/11, that would about the most embarrassing thing to the US. If bin Laden had been complicit with some in the CIA for 9/11, it seems he'd enjoy nothing more than showing America that part of her own gov't had helped attack her. But yet, I can't find anything to indicate that bin Laden has ever made that claim. Also, I can't find any evidence anywhere to support that notion.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Thing would be very simple if there is an evidence. In fact, I would'nt suspect that there is a connection if US government hasn't used the event to launch an invasion to middle east: Afgha (cause of Binladen, and they could not find BinLaden there, what a joke), Iraq (for a false reason) and may soon be Iran (may also for wmd, of course I highly doubt US would dare to attack if Iran has wmd for real)
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 The reason Afghanistan was attacked is because the Taliban was allowing the terrorists to use it as a training location. The reason bin Laden was hard to find is because he was being was being hidden. He was obviously in the region because he was found in Pakistan. Iraq was attacked because of violating UN resolutions and the very real belief it had WMDs. If Iran has plans to attack Israel, it should be attacked.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 I can barely agree with you about Afghanistan. But when they attacked Iraq all I heard about was WMD not that UN resolution shit of yours. And now you speak as if that UN resolution was the main reason. Why don't you try to open your eyes at least once and see the most obvious reason that anybody who have relatively average level of intelligence could see ?
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 I'm glad you agree about Afghanistan. The UN resolutions were about WMDs, they weren't about a separate issue. I see very clearly that the issue was WMDs. By the way, my IQ is much higher than the average person's.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 I highly doubtful about your IQ being much higher than average. Still, the resolution was about Wmd and it was proven that there is nothing that look like Wmd. It means Iraq was being accused and attacked by a failed reason
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 My IQ is far above average. The resolutions were about Hussein complying with the inspectors looking for WMDs, which he did not do. The resolutions were supported by many nations, and were violated by Hussein. By not complying, he gave people reason to believe he had them.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 You don't have to keep telling me that your IQ is above average. Are you feeling insecure ? Unless, there is solid and undeniable evidence about Wmd. Any belief and doubt are merely opinions. It's unreasonable to start a war based on opinion. Just because a country doesn't let you to get in and violate its independence and secrecy doesn't mean it has WmD. The UN should ask for the examination of area 51 and see how US react
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 I am very secure about my intelligence. I mentioned it again because you questioned it again. Before questioning someone else's IQ, you might want to check your grammar and spelling. It wasn't an opinion that Hussein violated the UN resolutions, it's a fact. Had Hussein been a more responsible leader, there wouldn't have been resolutions against him. The US isn't a rogue nation like Iraq, so there is no need for a UN resloutions.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Why don't you just admit you hate the US, because it's obvious that you do. I want to know, are you a US citizen or not? And if not, where are you from? I'd like to know because you are obviously biased against America and hate everything she stands for.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 Lol, you can not divide hatred from truth. I emphasize the thousandth times that I don't hate US nor I love it. The fact is I see the whole middle East thing a very sinister plan of world resource domination. Yeah, US killed Saddam and BinLaden, 2 massive assholes and deserve some credit for that. But hey, I could be really grateful if your country crush North Korea to the ground cause they have WMD (the real thing), But they don't have oil though, too bad huh ?
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 Sadly, the US has allowed itself to become dependent on Mid-East oil, and that influences decision-making because it is a vital resource. North Korea has nuclear weapons, and attacking them could trigger a nuclear holocaust. So yes, that does play into how they are dealt with. Natural resources play a part in foreign policy, that's just reality.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 You didn't answer my question as to where you're from. I'm willing (and proud) to say that I'm American. Are you willing or not to say where you're from?
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 The reason Japan attacked America in 1941 was because of a US-imposed oil embargo. Also, Japan attacked China in 1937 in part for China's natural resources. My point is that vital natural resources have instigated wars in the past. It's unfortunate that it happens, but if a country feels threatened, it may resort to war to keep a vital resource available.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 If it were up to me, the US would become energy independent, and get out of the Middle East. That we've allowed ourselves to be held hostages to that part of the world boggles my mind. Hopefully, there will come a day where won't need to bother ourselves with countries whose only real contribution to the world today is oil.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 You write that you don't hate America, but I believe deep down you do, you just don't admit it. Why do I say this? Because you continue to insist that America kills innocents with no regard. That is simply not true, one could even say it's a lie, and it's anti-American propaganda. You accuse General Sada of lying, but I think you can find the real liar by looking in the mirror. My evidence? Your own statements that America has no regard for innocent life.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 You are right at one point. I believe on many occasion America killed innocents with little to no regard. About the hatred thing of yours, I do hate arrogant people who simply see everything in pink. About US, it does what it does to serve its purpose: gaining more power, benefit and influence. The glorious national pride is just a political brainwashing method to make people go nut and sacrifice their life for something that is unreal. It's not worth my hatred.
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 I knew you hated America, your comments prove it. Your ignorance seems to know no bounds. America does not target innocents, but once again the truth is not important to someone like you who'd rather spew nonsense than tell the truth. The US gains power and influence because it has political and economic systems. that while flawed are some of the best in the world. People love this country because of how great it is, and rightly so.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 America does not target innocents. That's I agree in some case, it just doesn't care if innocents are in the way of the target. The evidence about that lie all over in Afghanistan, Iraq and VietNam so don't try to cover it. It's a simple truth that you know but intentionally ignore.
aclock2 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 The US takes every precaution that innocents aren't killed, because we care about innocent life. You are sadly mistaken about that. The US targets military positions, not civilian populations. If US soldiers are caught killing civilians intentionally, they should be subject to severe penalties. Fortunately, that rarely happens because most US soldiers are good, honorable people.
Berthasfave1 2 weeks ago
@aclock2 Check out the story that came out today about the US Navy's rescue of 13 Iranians who were being held hostage by pirates. They didn't have to help, but they chose to do so. Here's a quote from Iran's foreign ministry spokesman, "We consider the actions of the US forces in saving the lives of Iranian seamen to be a humanitarian and positive act.We think all nations should display such behavior." Not bad for a nation that "intentionally" kills innocents,don't you think?
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 Ahmadinejad is bent on destroying Israel. If he acquires nuclear weapons, Israel would have every right to attack. Of course, I suspect it wouldn't bother you if Israel were destroyed because I bet you hate Israel as you do America. Would you support an Israeli action to defend herself against Iran?
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 I want no country to be destroyed. Either Iran, Iraq, US or Israel. If Iran attacked Israel FIRST. Then I will definitely support Israel. However, I fear it's gonna be like the VietNam war, some random US vessel sunk near North Vietnam coast and US thought they were attacked by North Vietnam and started the 21 years war (the North VietNam must be unbelievably stupid to do such thing ).
aclock2 3 weeks ago
@aclock2 Because I can admit that America has made mistakes, the Gulf of Tonkin was wrong. However, Iran is a real threat, and may need to be attacked. If Iran gets nuclear weapons, Israel may not have the luxury to allow Iran to strike first. At that point, it may be too late. By the way, the US was in Vietnam long before the Gulf of Tonkin. That was used as a reason to escalate the war.
Berthasfave1 3 weeks ago
@Berthasfave1 And as you said US is the most powerful nation in the world right now, so if it turns evil it will be a disaster for humanity. Which I believe both you and me don't want, that's why US need the critism, to stop it from turning into a corrupted country. Blindly follow and agree with everything America Government do without serious consideration only bring the nation to destruction.
aclock2 3 weeks ago