i didn't see any excessive force. i saw some citizens obstructing a police vehicle, disobeying the officer's orders, and then being removed with the minimum amount of force necessary so that the vehicle could pull away. I saw public servants being catcalled and put down by some spoiled brats who don't understand the law nor what it means to be an honest, conscientious citizen.
@telephowned Much of a police officers day is spent doing patrol. Cops are given a specific route or area to patrol for several hours at a time. While on patrol, cops keep an eye out for potential crimes, traffic violators, and anything else that may require their attention. Police officer duties during patrol also include getting to know the residents along their patrol route.
@1968Bambino not to say whatever they are protesting is wrong or right, but you need to get it through your head youtube isn't the place to find anything related to common sense or the like, its about 90% racist,sexist,elitist, comments and almost NEVER worth reading.
@1968Bambino sorry for the paragraph, just will save alot of headache if u take any comment on youtube about as much as the effort it took to actually type it.
What a stupid protest. The police are doing a good job here. It doesn't really compare to some recent events in the UK where police have been "beating" people in perfectly legal organised protests that weren't held in the middle of the night, including a woman punched in the face and a man who died after being pushed over. This, on the other hand, is just police doing their job. Excessive force my arse.
What part of "back up" and "back away" don't you fools understand? Where's the brutality? You create public disorder, exactly what policing was designed to prevent from its very beginnings. At that time of the night, chanting "peaceful protest" is a criminal offence called causing a disturbance. Try doing this somewhere other than Canada and see how many teeth you have left when the police are done with you.
Fine bunch of idiots wasting space in our educational institutes!
Why are ppl getting so worked up. They can protest, but why do it so stupidly. On private property, middle of the night, and not listening to authorities that are trying to end it peacefully. What if it turned into a full scale riot. Who do we blame now? The police for not dismantling the situation? Media news coming on the news again demonizing the RCMP? Obviously these educated kids are sick of hitting the books so they needed to let it out by being very immature and stupid.
Our rights are slowly being taken away from us. Its not the police fault. They're just doing they're job and they're as blind to the reality as most are.
For example. To play music in the streets you need a Busker license..... Check the charter.... it says you have the right to express yourself. So why does anyone need to ask permission to play music? Your not engaging in commerce. If people give you money to play music....... its a gift and the Income tax act says you don't have to file gifts.
I agree that you shouldn't resist arrest under normal circumstances. However it is in our charter of rights in freedom to be granted the knowledge of what the cause for arrest is. And it is the rule of law to discuss and compromise. The rule of law is the first thing on the charter. So you don't have the right to resist arrest but you have the right to ask why and protest the arrest. Unless people are fighting the police, there is no need for excessive force.
Excuse me all you idiots, but I'd like to point out that these kids have the RIGHT to publicly protest. All you neocon nazis might stop for a moment and remember that your parents might have been part of something similar in the 1960s.
If it was not for this type of protest, we'd still be sending people of other colored skin to separate schools, women still wouldn't be voting, the US wouldn't be in Iraq because they'd still be in Viet Nam.
These police are trampling YOUR rights and you cheer
HAHAHHA! Stupid Hippies thinking your the modern day Gandhi. Peaceful protest? Please, how pathetic. the police are atleast polite and professional. those "protestors" are anti-establishment enviro-nuts ofcourse they are gona bitch and complain about police excessive force. thankfully this video was posted and people can realize what ACTUALLY happened. i can't believe there are such stupid people at UBC.
thats not excessive force at all. you people need to realize you can t just do what u want werever. there are laws and if you dont listne to a police officer they can damn well arrest you
Where's the excessive force? Maybe you need to read the criminal code to learn that police officers are entitled to use necessary force in the course of their duties, which includes arresting people who have been warned to move away from an area. Interfering with firefighters, obstructing police officers, mischief, causing a disturbance... would you like me to continue the list of offences committed here? Pretty sad that these "students" are the future of this country.
These students...if u can called them "students", deserved what they got. Watch other videos on this incident and you will realize that they are offensive to the police and firefighters. They A) resist arrest and B) dont allow the firefighters to put out a potentially dangerous fire. Not to mention, most of these morons are yelling at the cops the whole time...hmm if i was a cop would i put up with some loser yelling in my face, probably not. What a waste of potential seats for real students
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crosse, i know you saw the 'Pushed Under - UBC Bus Loop Documentary' video cause you wrote a dumb comment there too, however i'm not convinced you actually watched it
the bus loop is a 40million dollar waste of time as it will not increase ridership or services
'if i was a cop would i put up with some loser yelling in my face, probably not'
then don't be a cop
'dont allow the firefighters to put out a potentially dangerous fire'
*ahem* a couple people stood in front of the hose for 20 seconds
40 million dollars or not, the minority of UBC does not decide what goes down. Its a democracy. 4000 people signed your petition, and 46000 did not. Take the hint. Regardless if those morons stand in front of the hose for 20 seconds or 5 minutes, you are still interfering with their job. Are you kidding me? How can you even argue that? They were still pissing off the firefighters and asking to be arrested. And then they surrounded a police car. This is the real world not an arts classroom
crosse, it is a petition, not a referendum. a petition is a list large enough to show popular support. the petition was for consultation, not for making the final decision.
'20 seconds or 5 minutes'
20 seconds with no touching is a symbolic gesture. if the fireman let them have it with full force the hippies would go flying right?
they did not interfere.
if they damaged equipment or assaulted the fireman i wouldn't defend them.
actually a minority of BoG members decided "what goes down". The people who put the campus plan in motion were smaller in number than the number of kids out there that night.
You can still call people morons, but your minority comment is naive. Petitions are naive, protester are naive, police are naive, you are naive, I am naive. If you think you are on one side, then you are on the wrong side.
theres no big brutallity here..cops only did their job.
thy didnt punch or beat anyone(maybe litlle)but this is noting.
whatch this video: v=H7rOXoeoEKM
this happened in my country,on a football(soccer)match....on this video you can see guy in green jacket who is police officer punching football fan with a gun in the head..many football fans where arested here and pilice was beating them all night in police station...that is police brutallity!!!
I used to work for the RCMP mate. I personally haven't witnessed any problems when I was there, but I do have reliable sources and yea son, I could tell you stories, stuff that I've seen when I wasn't working there. And I'm not saying there SHOULDN'T be police. I'm saying that they shouldn't be patrolling out in the open, because for the 99.9% of students that are there to have an enjoyable learning experience it's ruining it for many of them. They could easily install cameras. cheers.
Where is the brutality? LOL These students need to spend their energies on real problems in this world - not their selfish perceived endless entitlements....
Just to add, there are RCMP officers out there that start problems and conflicts (with students as well) simply because they are bored. I've heard it first hand from an RCMP officer. Also, take a look at the security in the new library. It's more like a prison than a library now. We don't need security walking around with tasers in a library. Why don't they do that in downtown? Cheers.
I share ego's view on this particular case, though I categorically disagree with his view of Arts students and I can explain why, if need be. I'm an Arts student and I have an excellent salary with what I've obtained with my BA, and I know numerous individuals with BSc who are making less and are unemployed. A degree doesn't represent your ability to make money or get jobs. And avg. salary is lower because Arts has the most students. It's called statistics. But on the knoll issue, he is right on
A useless protest anyways. What a bunch of pussies. That just looked like a regular Friday night in Maple Ridge throwing me and my friends in the drunk tank. Go protest genocide in Africa and see what happens you useless spoiled daddys-paying-my-tuition tits!
reggie, no i couldn't have voted for stef because i graduated some years ago. but before you repeat ur rhetoric on my reading, i really need u to put down those books and think with me.
the prof's comment was on the police force. ur argument on that is petty because at the end of the day u know and i know police is in the clear. and so unless the prof is a professional in school construction planning and made further remarks on the validity of a bus loop, what he said is entirely irrelevant.
Konrat, i see you just couldn't hold it in any longer..
you are so transparent. no self control, unsatisfied with just being invisible and voting with your many many accounts, unable to make a point with your feeble mind, nothing better to do than follow people around on youtube.
see how i control you. are you so obsessed/infatuated with me that you need to see what i'm doing each day?
everybody say hi to my fan club,
now take your most recent troll account & crawl back into your hole
"who do you think knows better ..the administration.. or arts students"
first of all, until you know the program each of the 100 students is in, quit with the arts student putdowns. the person who started the group IS a poli sci arts student [BIG surprise] but i guarantee there is someone from each faculty 'escaping reality' through being politically active on campus
who knows better?
these students are representing the future students who this work will effect. all sides must be considered
reggie, don't change the subject when you can't respond. tell me, who knows better about school constructions, admin team that's done it for decades, or a bunch of students who think they know what they're talking about? and yeah i guess these students will be affected by this project in the future when they settle in their huts on wreck beach. if the students actually go far, they wouldn't even be here to see the bus loop. all sides considered, sure, but professionalism & majority rules. think!
hmm. i see.. your point needs to start with 'fucking' because arts students are 'shit for brains' hmm.
so say for instance i was an economics major also taking urban studies [which might be the kind of thing a civil engineering tech college graduate might do] then i would be UNQUALIFIED to make a judgement?
you might not care but universities are in fact responsive to student opinions. people who wish to be heard feel the need to be part of the process.
it's fair that you tell me not to underestimate the students. but hey don't underestimate the school either. you think they have nothing better to do than start a major project like this for fun? who do you think knows better about building a school, the administration system that has been here since 1915 or arts students who graduate in 5/6 yrs at despite their efforts to escape reality through protests like this. i don't mean to sound like a broken record, but think Msc, use that education!
howdy, reggie. picking on my language - is that the best you can do? I'm actually a bit disappointed. but hey tell me about what responses university is making at this moment? are they going to scrap months of planning, investment in getting real expert opinions just so some students can celebrate the freedom of speech? wanna be part of the process? how about finishing a degree, getting a real job and exert influence without using disruptive means like my arts friends in ontario and quebec
hey, reggie, predicting these students won't get a real job. -
actually, yeah. why don't you shed some light on their avg salary and employment rate? can't find it - gee i wonder why.
man, msc, i know u're taking this personally but your responses really make me question your degree. sure, admin makes mistakes, but who's more likely to make one? it's a simple probability question. it's okay to be insecure about your BA, but don't lie about having a msc when you don't even know probability.
kyoto/toronto bus loops always surrounded by dense population? great assumption - you really haven't been there. but that's okay, your fundraiser can start today.
"there's nothing noble about standing up for a belief anymore"
ah, yes. now i see where you are coming from.
i embrace technology everyday and create as much with it as ten other people. your need to project what i fear is very telling of your personality. it seems impossible for you to think that someone who is NOT an arts student and NOT a hippie can actually think that standing up for what you believe IS in fact noble.
seriously, reggie, instead of getting into petty arguments about how the police could have used a softer & more humanitarian approach. why don't you take a trip to other cities in the world that have had underground bus loops for decades? and when you come back, read the news and see if anyone still gives a shit if the students had the right to protest. we can start a national fundraiser for self righteous arts grads to see the world so they can get high and die on someone else's property. u in?
What a waste of a University education. I guess this is what happens when you fill your empty head with a bunch of idiot ideals instead of actually going to classes.
1st off this isn't police brutality, not by any def. under Canadian law. 2nd it might be false arrest but I doubt it, the cops look like they had cause. The people getting arrested should be totally thrilled. THAT is what protests are for. If you light a candle or march peacefully along the seawall...you aren't doing anything. The only reason to protest is to shake things up. This one is great, we are still talking about...There is a reason it is called civil disobedience kids.
you need to bark like a dog when you are told, do whatever you are told, or else get ur ass in jail. this is the north america culture. you are not guarantee human rights here. you should be happy that you did not get zap and killed like the dude at the airport.
I live in Vancouver, if you treat the cops like humans and respect, they treat you back decently. Don't fucking cause shit and you won't get handled. But I don't even see any force being done, besides physically dragging those pieces of shit away. If they whine like that they whine like that, they deserve to be stomped. Dumb fucking pussies.
that political science degree not working out for you? nothing fun to do this weekend? why not stir shit up at your local protest. it's a great way to meet like minded douchebags with too much time on their hands. you might even get laid!
Seems like most people think the students were out of order and the police didnt act violently enough.
But that's until you find out that most people who are commenting on this are the same people who browse around looking at randomn videos on youtube all day.
So don't think the general consensus is the police were not using excessive force.
This is vancouver, canada, and the people commenting are in....
ding ding, the country committing genocide in the same area its stealing resources from.
it's true the general consensus of people not seeing brutality is probably only as big as the number of people with proper eyesight in this world. Thank you for the word of caution, we will remember not to overestimate that figure, especially in the city of vancouver, Canada.
reggieworth, "underground bus loop just sounds dodgy to me"
are you serious? is that what this is all about?
Have you been to Kyoto? or better yet, Toronto? underground bus loop has served millions for decades around the world by maximizing utility within limited space. Omg, did the world end in these cities where people had better things to do than whine about losing their little fucking knoll? please stop embarrassing yourself and other ubc alumni by spreading your ignorance. period.
Fucking Magna Carta wasn't written into the law so you shit for brains can use it for self pity on hopeless causes. you actually think that the silent majority who refused to abuse their right to protest is on your side? why don't you and the hobos you have to feed figure out why the protest isn't making a splash even after a disruptive event like this? what REAL results did they accomplish? Oh i know here's a positive idea - mommy daddy i'm on tV!!! now i can have a real job in acting.
what in the world do you or arts students at ubc know about designing a bus loop and who from the student body elected to let these future hobos represent their voices? before you introduce any more reading material, why don't you use what's left of your brain cells to cite a credible source. really i wanna know more, but instead of educating the public on the cause, these protestors had to abuse their 3 seconds of fame by blaming the police for public sympathy.
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quote from ubyssey:
"Instead of approving all three phases, they've said that they'll just deal with the first phase. Stephen Toope has said the entire above ground bus loop would start from square one."
this is from back in october. it is very apparent that this group has used many tactics to call attention to what they consider a bad investment for the campus.
meetings have been attended and petitions etc signed. anyone who judges them based solely on this fire is being shortsighted.
I still don't understand how these guys can expect to be taken seriously when their modus operandi is to start a fire on campus as a form of protest - it's just too crude and frankly, unintelligent. I think there are far more elegant ways to influence people.
absolutely, if this was the only protest/action then it would be pretty silly.
however this is after many months of attending meetings, attempting influence through petitions, newspaper articles, non music- no fire protests on the site, etc etc.
many ways have been worked, and more will be in the future.
this was just one event and i think you will have a hard time finding anyone who would say the fire was a good idea.
reggieworth, "sometimes disturbance is needed to make that jump" - yeah, you just about made enemy with everyone here and irritated thousands more who saw it on tv.
lf the planning was so well thought out, and the protest was the last straw, what have the protestors gained since that night of the fire? did it actually help? I will be frank in admitting that i never heard and watched anything about this before the video, but now that you've done it - where are the results? what next?
There really needs to be some open forums for the student community to speak about this because obviously there are some strong opinions for and against the knoll. After this bonfire KAid has honestly lost much of my respect along with many of my peers no matter what the police did. You cannot hide behind what the police did, you must face what caused it in the first place. You guys need a new PR campaign quick to salvage the support you have before it is lost.THAT DOES NOT MEEN ANOTHER FIRE
THINK, Mr. I look professional, THINK - it's what your tuition meant to do! I hope your English credit didn't just teach you to respond to any arguments with a whiny you don't know me and therefore you can't tell me i'm wrong.
emotroll, use your remedial engrish credit and learn to read when responses are pertinent to your comments.
you tell us what it takes and does not take to be a protester but when someone who actually does it CORRECTS your mistaken assumptions you decide to attack them?
go back to high school, you don't deserve to be in uni yet
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well, spoof account person. if you have access to my account then why don't you repost using the right one?
go away 311egardoar/311egar/311rage/[plus a dozen more suspended accounts], are you really so obsessed with me that you spend time finding where i've posted and make trouble? i suppose you have something to say about this vid or my comments? no? just here to harass eh?
everybody take note that when you argue with asshole amerikans DO NOT USE YOUR PRIMARY ACCOUNT . . .
reggieworth and peace, why don't you ever think about the benefits of the new bus loop? this is what I love about these arts students, they believe, yet they don't think. Because just standing up for your belief is so god damn sacred, there's absolutely no independent thinking required behind every move. No explanations. Is there a mission statement somewhere? Is there even a publicly available argument for their view?? And these people are supposed to be my kid's high school teachers? SHIT!
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"why don't you ever think about the benefits of the new bus loop?"
new bus loop sure, underground bus loop just sounds dodgy even without looking into it... shortsighted planning that dosn't allow for expansion.
"absolutely no independent thinking required behind every move. No explanations. Is there a mission statement somewhere? Is there even a publicly available argument for their view?"
troll.
you say ur on campus, perhaps you missed the knoll newspaper? or the website.
that's what these ubc arts students don't get - in the real world (and i've graduated some years ago with my bcom so excuse me for not reading the knoll paper), people need to see results. call that apathy if you want, write another paper complaining if you'd like, but it's not going to change.
i think what you don't realize is to a certain extent, i actually wish for success for these protestors. perception is reality. and these spoiled farts are perceived as brainless idiots here & beyond.
reggie, the point is - nobody that replied to this saw any police brutality, not even your only other sole follower peaceandthanks. So using youtube or news hour to gain sympathy from the public over a false claim of police using excessive force is down right uneducated and not going to win you any respect. It doesn't take a dead person for the public to call in. if they was actually any brutality, i know for one the parents of these dumb art farts will be on the frontline calling for action.
reggieworth, let's just say that the knoll is now preserved because of the protest - hypothetically. what kind of message is the university sending? if you don't like something, start a fire and as long as you get on prime time tv the university will just fall back? you really think these guys are the ones with an opinion? I'll tell you - if this type of movement is tolerated, the university will never get anything done. if the world was ruled by these arts students,we'd still be in stone age.
"that political science degree not working out for you? nothing fun to do this weekend? why not stir shit up at your local protest. it's a great way to meet like minded douchebags with too much time on their hands. you might even get laid!"
haha thanks, aquavit, i don't even have to come up with my own reply anymore. Reggie, just give it up, the students already have. why don't you?
as usual there is a big difference between what is considered acceptable under the charter of rights and what hollywood/CNN influenced people THINK is acceptable
all the people who write "they deserve to be stomped. Dumb fucking pussies" and similar obviously just wish they could be the one stomping.
xenophobic hateful people with internet access and no life. get bent.
i love how the cops outnumber the protesters. guess it must have been a boring night in quiet vancouver
reggie, i love your selective reading. but that's okay, consider that degree of yours a handicap sign, i'll help you grasp the point all of us are trying to make :
1. what did the protest accomplish? celebrating freedom of speech?
2. where are the students NOW?
3. If there was police brutality, how far along are we in the legal process?
4. What's so medieval about thinking before you act?
5. If thinking was done, where do you see this going next?
1. the ongoing continuing and historic accomplishments of this protest are letting the university bureaucracy know the students have something to say about the decision & like to be heard
2. in class i hope
3. brutality is nowhere in the description, why do you keep harping on about it. excessive force & intimidation of non-threatening people did happen, arbitrary arrests did happen & hopefully there will be an inquest...
4. medieval is your solutions & incorrect assumptions shared by your fellow haters about what should've happened to these students. in the wild west lawmen had their own rules. since then we refined the magna carta into a charter of rights & if an officer does not know/care when he is violating your rights [s]he should not be a cop
5. next is most likely to continue with what they have been doing for months&months
IF they light a fire again i will agree they are fools, but it aint gonna happen
reggie, thanks for the history lesson on human rights - but guess what? it's done. there's nothing noble about standing up for a belief anymore, it's about the idea. The idea of bringing the police down for a ride just to put back a simple "dodgy" underground bus loop construction that has provided millions with convenience all over the world. it's ok to fear technology, but to have yourself dragged away like a 3 year old that won't leave the playground is just as embarrassing as defending it.
yeah i have stood on the front lines for one thing all the time, it's kind of complicated but it is called MY BRAIN.
What is the point of organizing a protest if you don't get any results? So all I am saying is if anyone truly cared, you'd see this fire incident as a chance to adjust the tactics of campus movements. NOBODY gives a shit about protests that fail, it's the ones that succeeded that made history.
Wow, these students are a bunch of faggots, LOL. Huddling in a hippie-group yelling "Shame".
These officers have stressful, dangerous jobs where they are faced with the possibility of death to keep others safe. They don't have time to be fucking around with a bunch of hippies at a university. You waste their time, they put you in your place because they're the enforcers of the law. When you waste their time, you're also putting others lives at risk.
You know egoboy, I think we're both insecure. Otherwise, why would we be wasting our time on here attacking each other seeking some kind of self worth through a superior ideology?
You know though. I think someone with the with username egoboy has got to have some real ego issues.
And, yes, protesting does come down to balls. Oh, and the Constuction won't stop if someone steps in front of a bulldozer. They will just call the cops and arrest that person too
And yes, I am insecure. I am deeply insecure about is how many of you helpless romantics don't use your brains to look at the protest's strategy and all other aspects that might actually HELP their cause in this lawful society. Just "standing up for your belief" never gets anything done. It's the lobbying, the business interest, the media that will actually trigger change. So another weekend is upon us and the bulldozer's not here yet, why don't I see anyone stand up for their causes again?
peaceandthanks, it takes no balls to jump around a fire and hold on to your drunk friends knowing the police will not attack. just another one night stand in the name of peace and freedom is how this will be remembered - if at all. to consider some of these hopeless romantics "Hippie" is an insult to real hippies who have the resilience to see their causes through.
first of all, why is it only 'hippies' who stand up for what they believe. any and all people should do it and they can do it in whatever manner you want to.
nonviolence gets results sometimes
violence gets results sometimes
one night stands work sometimes
attrition works sometimes
before calling out your old 'holier than thou' bullshit remember these people went out of their way to make their view known. some people just rant from behind their computer or shout at their TV = totally useless
Reggieworth, these people did not go out of their way to make their view known as their dumb protest took place right in the centre of campus and offered free admission to all the drunk pub crawlers on the way back. if you call that standing up for your beliefs, parliament sessions should be held at the local bars.
I don't know how things are in the future hobo's shack at wreck beach, but in our homes there's something called a phone which we can use to dial to a local MP, and a computer that can send emails to the media should we ever find discontent with our society. When the police tasered the polish guy at the vancouver airport, phone calls flooded the tv station to force a public inquiry on the subject. How many crazy arts students did it take to accomplish that? Zero.
"phone calls flooded the tv station to force a public inquiry on the subject. How many crazy arts students did it take to accomplish that"
a] a man died. this usually means more people will care
b] have you ever tried phoning an MP? did you get results? these students already dealt with the issue through the 'proper' channels and did not get the result so obviously the months of visible protest was next.
why do you persist in ignoring the history of this issue? this was not the only action
You know egoboy, I think we're both insecure. Otherwise, why would we be wasting our time on here attacking each other seeking some kind of self worth through a superior ideology?
You know though. I think someone with the with username egoboy has got to have some real ego issues.
And, yes, protesting does come down to balls. Oh, and the Constuction won't stop if someone steps in front of a bulldozer. They will just call the cops and arrest that person too
You know egoboy, I think we're both insecure. Otherwise, why would we be wasting our time on here attacking each other seeking some kind of self worth through a superior ideology?
You know though. I think someone with the with username egoboy has got to have some real ego issues.
And, yes, protesting does come down to balls. Oh, and the Constuction won't stop if someone steps in front of a bulldozer. They will just call the cops and arrest that person too
To the people who seem to hate art students and 'hippies'
1. I graduated from business school. I'm a professional and look professional everyday.
2. I consider myself a 'hippie' and have dedicated my life to making the world a better place.
3. I side with the protestors. They were standing up to the powers that be and speaking truth. Something the vast majority of people do not have the balls to do.
Don't think that everyone you hate fits into the one box.
A useless protest anyways. What a bunch of pussies. That just looked like a regular Friday night in Maple Ridge throwing me and my friends in the drunk tank. Go protest genocide in Africa and see what happens you useless spoiled daddys-paying-my-tuition tits!
Also on the fire. No one would have been charged becuase I doubt anyone credible was willing to tell the authorities. Plus its not really a true crime the fire. Its considered a possible danger so unless your a repeat offender you wont get punished for a fire that is possibly dangerous.
vancouver transit police have been tasering passengers who try to avoid paying fares...
"I think it's absolutely uncalled for, absolutely reprehensible, and the police should not be doing that," federal Liberal public safety critic Ujjal Dosanjh(ap.15)
"This is the kind of example that would lead people like me, who have so far resisted asking for a moratorium, to actually call for that"
misused all the time, time to take them away before they get too used to havin em
this is what happens when parents don't beat their kids - they get beat up by authority when they grow up. live with it, arts faculty. you can talk about this to your co-worker at the gap when you graduate.
police using excessive force? How about students not using enough brains?
you set a fire in the middle of school property that is fucking arson. what does charter of rights have to do with this? would you expect the police to read the damn bill to the arsonist burning your house down before they make an arrest?
uh i don't know what planet you got your education from but students were arrested as stated on global news and in the description of the video.
arts faculty not accepting me? are you fucking kidding? arts has the lowest admission average,..i'm a direct entry commerce grad from ubc that many 1st year arts students would die to become. this video confirms the reason why.
reggieworth, don't get me wrong. i have much respect for the BAs, many of whom are brilliant. but for some reason, at UBC in particular, the arts students seem to feed off lost anti-establishment causes like this more passionately and brainlessly than others across the nation. if you can't share my embarrassment for the fact that these sad, waste of my tax dollar future hobo candidates are graduated by my alma mater i'm afraid i have no more to add.
reggieworth, why would I try to cover up my "unreasonable dislike for ats majors" if i'm truly a bigot as you described?
Many of my friends are BAs across Ontario & Quebec where there are actually impactful jobs and government institutions through which you can have a greater say on the world than the Arts co-op at ubc that sends you to a consulate in Mexico at best.
ego. while i can appreciate your position and opinion on protesters i just cant get past your need to insult these people as arts student future hobo candidates.
if your friends with "BAs across Ontario & Quebec" can have "impactful[?] jobs" then why can't these people be anything but hobos?
"time after time arts students launch futile protests in the name of social justice to ease their boredom and despair in life"
this just shows an irrational hate for arts students. what gives?
Reggieworth, what makes you think I dislike protestors in general? I just dislike the ones with no brains, no planning, and coinicdentally this is all I see in this UBC arts student protests. The point is we don't live in Cambodia, there are many lawful and more effective ways to trigger change in our society, yet I see no attempt in this campaign to leverage any other avenues than street protest. Prove me wrong, reggieworth, show me a follow up to this.the world has no patience for whiny adults
"I see no attempt in this campaign to leverage any other avenues than street protest"
only because you have no interest in looking past this video.
"there are many lawful and more effective ways to trigger change in our society"
yes, and they have been part of the protest. what 'triggers' change is the jump from being an issue only seen by a small number of people [i.e. only on campus] to an issue seen by many people. sometimes a disturbance is needed to make that jump.
time after time arts students launch futile protests in the name of social justice to ease their boredom and despair in life. had they really cared about preserving the knoll, they should be speaking to the administration through the alma mater society, making sound business cases for a different bus loop proposal, exercise their influence in the media as opposed to whining like fucking 3 year olds and expecting the public to baby their cause. Sorry, mommy and daddy can't help you this time!
Reggieworth you think this is about balls? let's see if there will be a followup to this. Let's see if how many brave ones will really be up for the challenge of standing in front of the fucking bulldozer. believe me, if one person steps up, the construction will stop!
u know deep down the majority of the students probably doesn't care about preserving the knoll anymore than their own dorm rooms. All they wanted was the attention that they miss having from their retarded parents
"believe me, if one person steps up, the construction will stop"
so if one person steps up will you STFU? or just find another thing to stab at?
"whining like fucking 3 year olds"
"attention that they miss having from their retarded parents"
"sad, waste of my tax dollar future hobo candidates"
you have nothing to add here troll. make a suggestion or perhaps propose something that might help convince the people were wrong, but berating people for this action is totally non-productive & childish
RCMP deputy commissioner found in contempt of Parliament -CBC Apr.10/2008
"I move ... that the House of Commons find Barbara George in contempt of Parliament for providing false and misleading testimony to the House of Commons standing committee of public accounts on Feb. 21, 2007," -Shawn Murphy (Head of Public Accounts Committee Canada) Apr.10/2008
Regarding RCMP's $12-billion pension and insurance plans.
• December 2006: Mr. Zaccardelli becomes the first commissioner in the history of the RCMP to be forced out under a cloud of controversy. He is forced to resign after his admission that he had misled a parliamentary committee on his involvement in the case of Mr. Arar, saying he had "made a mistake" in that testimony and he did not know that Mounties did not try to correct the record with the Americans at the time.Globe & Mail Mar. 29, 2007
• November 2006: Saskatchewan RCMP Constable Thierry Jacques is sentenced to three years in jail for sexually assaulting a female prisoner while she was in custody. A judge found him guilty of taking the 26-year-old woman from her cell and sexually assaulting her in the garage at the La Ronge RCMP detachment on Sept. 4, 2004.Globe & Mail Mar. 29, 2007
I've been following this stream and have been surprised by how much anger people have for "hippies".
Where does this rage come from?
I'm a hippie. I have committed my life to challenging the injustices that saturate our society and I've been beaten down by the police for standing up for what I believe is right.
Why does that make you so angry? It is because deep down conservative people are basically selfish? Deep down, in your undeveloped heart, does that truth hurt you?
imagine if you were assaulted on the street and went in to an emergency ward or police station after, then somebody said ""oh you are very lucky madam, if you were in (some country) you would be killed and left on the side of the road""
the logic is astounding!
so long as somebody out there has it worse than us we can justify hurting people who dont deserve it...?
The cops are allowed to be rough with people breaking the law, that's one of the main point's of police, we as a society give them the right to be rough and use force. They are allowed to hurt you if they must. They will try not to, but they have to do their job. If you listen to them and don't act stupid they will not have to be rough. Seriously you guys are just lucky they didn't bust out the tazers. Also note the majority of these comments support the police action.
have you seen the first guy arrested? he was 10feet from blocking the firehose and got pushed against and over a short wall by police [charged with assaulting a peace officer]
this vid is just part of the events. the unlawful arrest of that guy[an invited musician] is the reason for protest here
it is only 'obstructing a police officer' if they are performing lawful duties and these people were all convinced the guy was arrested unlawfully
I'm not seeing what you're seeing. You're also neglecting the fact that the police only sprung into action because the protesters were standing on the fire hose preventing the firefighter from doing his job, and damaging the fire truck's equipment by plugging a high-pressure hose.
The eyes see what they want... they'll make up whatever they want. There was no police brutality here. None whatsoever.
it is not up to you, or even the officer, to determine if the arrest is valid or not. "that makes us a judge and jury", which you, and the officers are not. You get your time in court to defend yourself.
obstructing an officer is illegal whether you like the arrest or not.
in an unlawful arrest, obstruction of the police is not an 'obstruction of a policeman in the execution of his duty' since in so acting a policeman is not acting within the terms of his duty
this means that
if you feel strongly enough the initial arrest is unlawful that you obstruct, you share the same fates
the musician in the car was charged with assaulting a police officer, more likely he was singled out as a 'ringleader' earlier and targeted after dark during the commotion.: *(IMO)
there is no such thing as an unlawful arrest. A police officer does not charge you with a crime at the point of arrest. You are arrested in order to remove you from the situation. Any person may be detained for up to 48hrs without being charged with a crime.
If you obstruct an arrest you are actually infringing on the person being arrested, and deserve to share their fate.
that part dosnt even deserve a retort, however arbitrary arrest and detention has a wiki page
'Arbitrarily arresting and detaining persons contradicts rule of law established in democracies as well as habeas corpus and is thereafter illegal in those regimes. It is often a characteristic of dictatorships or police states, which may also engage in forced disappearance'
its not that i dont believe you but do you have a reference for the 48hr detention
Looks like a bunch of hippy college hippy wanna-be protestors.....if you wanna protest do it right!
torpex808 1 year ago
" dammit you've used unnecessary Force." - .. IS there any other kind?
H1tmarkEr 1 year ago
i didn't see any excessive force. i saw some citizens obstructing a police vehicle, disobeying the officer's orders, and then being removed with the minimum amount of force necessary so that the vehicle could pull away. I saw public servants being catcalled and put down by some spoiled brats who don't understand the law nor what it means to be an honest, conscientious citizen.
telephowned 1 year ago 2
@telephowned Much of a police officers day is spent doing patrol. Cops are given a specific route or area to patrol for several hours at a time. While on patrol, cops keep an eye out for potential crimes, traffic violators, and anything else that may require their attention. Police officer duties during patrol also include getting to know the residents along their patrol route.
H1tmarkEr 1 year ago
what did you expect them to do
legobobsleder 1 year ago
fuckin tree huggin hippies
fockya 1 year ago
Not really excessive.
tmazhindu 1 year ago
I guess Kent state was Justified aswell.
Hardto think all we have fought for in the last 30 yearts is wasted on you Keyboard Commandoes
1968Bambino 2 years ago
@1968Bambino not to say whatever they are protesting is wrong or right, but you need to get it through your head youtube isn't the place to find anything related to common sense or the like, its about 90% racist,sexist,elitist, comments and almost NEVER worth reading.
IronfistedPriest 1 year ago
@IronfistedPriest
I wholly agree with you .
thanks for the intelligent comment
Bambino
1968Bambino 1 year ago
@1968Bambino sorry for the paragraph, just will save alot of headache if u take any comment on youtube about as much as the effort it took to actually type it.
IronfistedPriest 1 year ago
ive said it before.... hippies stink
flyingmonkey1993 2 years ago 2
fuck the rcmp and fuck you
vik238 2 years ago
What a stupid protest. The police are doing a good job here. It doesn't really compare to some recent events in the UK where police have been "beating" people in perfectly legal organised protests that weren't held in the middle of the night, including a woman punched in the face and a man who died after being pushed over. This, on the other hand, is just police doing their job. Excessive force my arse.
PoisonRemedy321 2 years ago
This is why we need a revolution!
DopeJedi 2 years ago
@DopeJedi
YOU`R SO FUCKING RIGHT
x7he1ast0nex 1 year ago
What part of "back up" and "back away" don't you fools understand? Where's the brutality? You create public disorder, exactly what policing was designed to prevent from its very beginnings. At that time of the night, chanting "peaceful protest" is a criminal offence called causing a disturbance. Try doing this somewhere other than Canada and see how many teeth you have left when the police are done with you.
Fine bunch of idiots wasting space in our educational institutes!
MikeLowreyRules 2 years ago
Why are ppl getting so worked up. They can protest, but why do it so stupidly. On private property, middle of the night, and not listening to authorities that are trying to end it peacefully. What if it turned into a full scale riot. Who do we blame now? The police for not dismantling the situation? Media news coming on the news again demonizing the RCMP? Obviously these educated kids are sick of hitting the books so they needed to let it out by being very immature and stupid.
FallenMonk55 2 years ago
Our rights are slowly being taken away from us. Its not the police fault. They're just doing they're job and they're as blind to the reality as most are.
For example. To play music in the streets you need a Busker license..... Check the charter.... it says you have the right to express yourself. So why does anyone need to ask permission to play music? Your not engaging in commerce. If people give you money to play music....... its a gift and the Income tax act says you don't have to file gifts.
SweetComedyLove 2 years ago
Sorry, trying to pass off income as a gift is tax evasion, not "having your rights taken away from you."
alexk31 2 years ago 2
I agree that you shouldn't resist arrest under normal circumstances. However it is in our charter of rights in freedom to be granted the knowledge of what the cause for arrest is. And it is the rule of law to discuss and compromise. The rule of law is the first thing on the charter. So you don't have the right to resist arrest but you have the right to ask why and protest the arrest. Unless people are fighting the police, there is no need for excessive force.
SweetComedyLove 2 years ago
Excuse me all you idiots, but I'd like to point out that these kids have the RIGHT to publicly protest. All you neocon nazis might stop for a moment and remember that your parents might have been part of something similar in the 1960s.
If it was not for this type of protest, we'd still be sending people of other colored skin to separate schools, women still wouldn't be voting, the US wouldn't be in Iraq because they'd still be in Viet Nam.
These police are trampling YOUR rights and you cheer
Grizzlydawg 3 years ago
HAHAHHA! Stupid Hippies thinking your the modern day Gandhi. Peaceful protest? Please, how pathetic. the police are atleast polite and professional. those "protestors" are anti-establishment enviro-nuts ofcourse they are gona bitch and complain about police excessive force. thankfully this video was posted and people can realize what ACTUALLY happened. i can't believe there are such stupid people at UBC.
Thunderthor1988 3 years ago
Good jobs by the police.
MrJazMeow 3 years ago 4
i just wanna know why u think that.
muddyness 3 years ago
gee heres an idea, they're on private property, yelling and screaming like little children, and resisting arrest
ComputerHax1343 2 years ago 4
and here's another idea, they still arrested kids that were doing nothing by sitting down and not saying a word.
muddyness 2 years ago
thats not excessive force at all. you people need to realize you can t just do what u want werever. there are laws and if you dont listne to a police officer they can damn well arrest you
firefp 3 years ago 13
@firefp You sound like a pig hmmmm, go fuk yourself and die PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!
ChaserPG 10 months ago
Where's the excessive force? Maybe you need to read the criminal code to learn that police officers are entitled to use necessary force in the course of their duties, which includes arresting people who have been warned to move away from an area. Interfering with firefighters, obstructing police officers, mischief, causing a disturbance... would you like me to continue the list of offences committed here? Pretty sad that these "students" are the future of this country.
scarecrowschofield 3 years ago 10
someone tell me how much abuse is a police officer ment to take. ok they mite wear uniform and and have badges but their human like me and you.
NotAllCopsAreBad 3 years ago
These students...if u can called them "students", deserved what they got. Watch other videos on this incident and you will realize that they are offensive to the police and firefighters. They A) resist arrest and B) dont allow the firefighters to put out a potentially dangerous fire. Not to mention, most of these morons are yelling at the cops the whole time...hmm if i was a cop would i put up with some loser yelling in my face, probably not. What a waste of potential seats for real students
crosse69 3 years ago 5
This comment has received too many negative votes show
crosse, i know you saw the 'Pushed Under - UBC Bus Loop Documentary' video cause you wrote a dumb comment there too, however i'm not convinced you actually watched it
the bus loop is a 40million dollar waste of time as it will not increase ridership or services
'if i was a cop would i put up with some loser yelling in my face, probably not'
then don't be a cop
'dont allow the firefighters to put out a potentially dangerous fire'
*ahem* a couple people stood in front of the hose for 20 seconds
nicholasix 3 years ago
40 million dollars or not, the minority of UBC does not decide what goes down. Its a democracy. 4000 people signed your petition, and 46000 did not. Take the hint. Regardless if those morons stand in front of the hose for 20 seconds or 5 minutes, you are still interfering with their job. Are you kidding me? How can you even argue that? They were still pissing off the firefighters and asking to be arrested. And then they surrounded a police car. This is the real world not an arts classroom
crosse69 3 years ago 3
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crosse, it is a petition, not a referendum. a petition is a list large enough to show popular support. the petition was for consultation, not for making the final decision.
'20 seconds or 5 minutes'
20 seconds with no touching is a symbolic gesture. if the fireman let them have it with full force the hippies would go flying right?
they did not interfere.
if they damaged equipment or assaulted the fireman i wouldn't defend them.
and you are right, this IS the real world
nicholasix 3 years ago
actually a minority of BoG members decided "what goes down". The people who put the campus plan in motion were smaller in number than the number of kids out there that night.
You can still call people morons, but your minority comment is naive. Petitions are naive, protester are naive, police are naive, you are naive, I am naive. If you think you are on one side, then you are on the wrong side.
sloppdfdflsvd 3 years ago
Yeah you should definitely be nice and quiet when someone is kicking your ass, violationg your rights and trying to arrest you. *rolls eyes*
haddascream 3 years ago
theres no big brutallity here..cops only did their job.
thy didnt punch or beat anyone(maybe litlle)but this is noting.
whatch this video: v=H7rOXoeoEKM
this happened in my country,on a football(soccer)match....on this video you can see guy in green jacket who is police officer punching football fan with a gun in the head..many football fans where arested here and pilice was beating them all night in police station...that is police brutallity!!!
andrijaMNE 3 years ago
I used to work for the RCMP mate. I personally haven't witnessed any problems when I was there, but I do have reliable sources and yea son, I could tell you stories, stuff that I've seen when I wasn't working there. And I'm not saying there SHOULDN'T be police. I'm saying that they shouldn't be patrolling out in the open, because for the 99.9% of students that are there to have an enjoyable learning experience it's ruining it for many of them. They could easily install cameras. cheers.
xEtiquettex 3 years ago
Where is the brutality? LOL These students need to spend their energies on real problems in this world - not their selfish perceived endless entitlements....
tinytunes84 3 years ago 3
Just to add, there are RCMP officers out there that start problems and conflicts (with students as well) simply because they are bored. I've heard it first hand from an RCMP officer. Also, take a look at the security in the new library. It's more like a prison than a library now. We don't need security walking around with tasers in a library. Why don't they do that in downtown? Cheers.
xEtiquettex 3 years ago
Becuase there are homeless people in the library sometimes. Seriosly.
SpeakerGendibal 3 years ago
I share ego's view on this particular case, though I categorically disagree with his view of Arts students and I can explain why, if need be. I'm an Arts student and I have an excellent salary with what I've obtained with my BA, and I know numerous individuals with BSc who are making less and are unemployed. A degree doesn't represent your ability to make money or get jobs. And avg. salary is lower because Arts has the most students. It's called statistics. But on the knoll issue, he is right on
xEtiquettex 3 years ago
A useless protest anyways. What a bunch of pussies. That just looked like a regular Friday night in Maple Ridge throwing me and my friends in the drunk tank. Go protest genocide in Africa and see what happens you useless spoiled daddys-paying-my-tuition tits!
JooserParfs 3 years ago 3
"who from the student body elected to let these future hobos represent their voices?"
perhaps YOU didn't vote for her but enough did to make Stef an AMS executive.
i suggest you read about what happened, it might help you to make an informed statement about this video
"before you introduce any more reading material, why don't you use what's left of your brain cells to cite a credible source"
troll-ism at its finest. you didn't read it did you? are you going to call the prof 'shitforbrains' too?
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggie, no i couldn't have voted for stef because i graduated some years ago. but before you repeat ur rhetoric on my reading, i really need u to put down those books and think with me.
the prof's comment was on the police force. ur argument on that is petty because at the end of the day u know and i know police is in the clear. and so unless the prof is a professional in school construction planning and made further remarks on the validity of a bus loop, what he said is entirely irrelevant.
egoboy 3 years ago 3
Konrat, i see you just couldn't hold it in any longer..
you are so transparent. no self control, unsatisfied with just being invisible and voting with your many many accounts, unable to make a point with your feeble mind, nothing better to do than follow people around on youtube.
see how i control you. are you so obsessed/infatuated with me that you need to see what i'm doing each day?
everybody say hi to my fan club,
now take your most recent troll account & crawl back into your hole
Reggieworth 3 years ago
"who do you think knows better ..the administration.. or arts students"
first of all, until you know the program each of the 100 students is in, quit with the arts student putdowns. the person who started the group IS a poli sci arts student [BIG surprise] but i guarantee there is someone from each faculty 'escaping reality' through being politically active on campus
who knows better?
these students are representing the future students who this work will effect. all sides must be considered
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggie, don't change the subject when you can't respond. tell me, who knows better about school constructions, admin team that's done it for decades, or a bunch of students who think they know what they're talking about? and yeah i guess these students will be affected by this project in the future when they settle in their huts on wreck beach. if the students actually go far, they wouldn't even be here to see the bus loop. all sides considered, sure, but professionalism & majority rules. think!
egoboy 3 years ago 3
hmm. i see.. your point needs to start with 'fucking' because arts students are 'shit for brains' hmm.
so say for instance i was an economics major also taking urban studies [which might be the kind of thing a civil engineering tech college graduate might do] then i would be UNQUALIFIED to make a judgement?
you might not care but universities are in fact responsive to student opinions. people who wish to be heard feel the need to be part of the process.
you don't, they do. whats your beef?
Reggieworth 3 years ago
it's fair that you tell me not to underestimate the students. but hey don't underestimate the school either. you think they have nothing better to do than start a major project like this for fun? who do you think knows better about building a school, the administration system that has been here since 1915 or arts students who graduate in 5/6 yrs at despite their efforts to escape reality through protests like this. i don't mean to sound like a broken record, but think Msc, use that education!
egoboy 3 years ago 4
howdy, reggie. picking on my language - is that the best you can do? I'm actually a bit disappointed. but hey tell me about what responses university is making at this moment? are they going to scrap months of planning, investment in getting real expert opinions just so some students can celebrate the freedom of speech? wanna be part of the process? how about finishing a degree, getting a real job and exert influence without using disruptive means like my arts friends in ontario and quebec
egoboy 3 years ago 4
your troll-ism becomes more apparent when you lose your head emoboy.
"how about finishing a degree, getting a real job"
are you predicting these students won't?
"escape reality through protests like this"
bizarre. how is a group who is involved in this aspect of campus life 'escaping reality'?
did you just get accepted? first year i bet. maybe second.
"don't underestimate the school"
who is?
this is one decision out of 100 that has been deemed a bad idea.
admin never makes bad judgements?
Reggieworth 3 years ago
hey, reggie, predicting these students won't get a real job. -
actually, yeah. why don't you shed some light on their avg salary and employment rate? can't find it - gee i wonder why.
man, msc, i know u're taking this personally but your responses really make me question your degree. sure, admin makes mistakes, but who's more likely to make one? it's a simple probability question. it's okay to be insecure about your BA, but don't lie about having a msc when you don't even know probability.
egoboy 3 years ago 4
your english is not even legible anymore ...duuudee..where's my car...shiiiieeet...
egoboy 3 years ago
oh yeah? which stations in TO and Kyoto have underground bus loops? i will reveal the answer the next time. until then, shut the fuck up.
egoboy 3 years ago
kyoto/toronto bus loops always surrounded by dense population? great assumption - you really haven't been there. but that's okay, your fundraiser can start today.
egoboy 3 years ago 4
"there's nothing noble about standing up for a belief anymore"
ah, yes. now i see where you are coming from.
i embrace technology everyday and create as much with it as ten other people. your need to project what i fear is very telling of your personality. it seems impossible for you to think that someone who is NOT an arts student and NOT a hippie can actually think that standing up for what you believe IS in fact noble.
go watch some Henry Rollins vids
Reggieworth 3 years ago
seriously, reggie, instead of getting into petty arguments about how the police could have used a softer & more humanitarian approach. why don't you take a trip to other cities in the world that have had underground bus loops for decades? and when you come back, read the news and see if anyone still gives a shit if the students had the right to protest. we can start a national fundraiser for self righteous arts grads to see the world so they can get high and die on someone else's property. u in?
egoboy 3 years ago 2
"take a trip"
um. done that
i suppose you didn't read that the bus loop wont fit the trolleys
i suppose you read the fact that ridership is way up due to new programs & the loop is already too small
"instead of getting into petty arguments"
you mean about how lame arts students & hippies are? you mean like putting them down as a waste of space?
you have yet to introduce a good positive idea or solution, you have yet to write an informed comment. you are here to argue and its obvious
go study
Reggieworth 3 years ago
Student stupidity at UBC
beowolff 3 years ago
What a waste of a University education. I guess this is what happens when you fill your empty head with a bunch of idiot ideals instead of actually going to classes.
felixreynolds 3 years ago
1st off this isn't police brutality, not by any def. under Canadian law. 2nd it might be false arrest but I doubt it, the cops look like they had cause. The people getting arrested should be totally thrilled. THAT is what protests are for. If you light a candle or march peacefully along the seawall...you aren't doing anything. The only reason to protest is to shake things up. This one is great, we are still talking about...There is a reason it is called civil disobedience kids.
NoirMusic 3 years ago
you need to bark like a dog when you are told, do whatever you are told, or else get ur ass in jail. this is the north america culture. you are not guarantee human rights here. you should be happy that you did not get zap and killed like the dude at the airport.
alexexela 3 years ago
I live in Vancouver, if you treat the cops like humans and respect, they treat you back decently. Don't fucking cause shit and you won't get handled. But I don't even see any force being done, besides physically dragging those pieces of shit away. If they whine like that they whine like that, they deserve to be stomped. Dumb fucking pussies.
COREYHELLO 3 years ago
that political science degree not working out for you? nothing fun to do this weekend? why not stir shit up at your local protest. it's a great way to meet like minded douchebags with too much time on their hands. you might even get laid!
aquavit 3 years ago
Seems like most people think the students were out of order and the police didnt act violently enough.
But that's until you find out that most people who are commenting on this are the same people who browse around looking at randomn videos on youtube all day.
So don't think the general consensus is the police were not using excessive force.
This is vancouver, canada, and the people commenting are in....
ding ding, the country committing genocide in the same area its stealing resources from.
karks 3 years ago
it's true the general consensus of people not seeing brutality is probably only as big as the number of people with proper eyesight in this world. Thank you for the word of caution, we will remember not to overestimate that figure, especially in the city of vancouver, Canada.
egoboy 3 years ago
i see no brutality
wtf??
stupid kids setting shit on fire, what do you expeect??
zippyzee 3 years ago
reggieworth, "underground bus loop just sounds dodgy to me"
are you serious? is that what this is all about?
Have you been to Kyoto? or better yet, Toronto? underground bus loop has served millions for decades around the world by maximizing utility within limited space. Omg, did the world end in these cities where people had better things to do than whine about losing their little fucking knoll? please stop embarrassing yourself and other ubc alumni by spreading your ignorance. period.
egoboy 3 years ago 2
"been to Kyoto? .. Toronto? underground bus loop has served millions for decades"
and the area around UBC is as densely populated as Kyoto or TO?????
you have no point emoboy. if the underground bus loop was properly designed/satisfied the needs of the students, why would they oppose it?
you seem to think that people like this oppose whatever is convenient, yet a thousand other unopposed decisions are made.
when a group of people gathers enough support their opinion must be considered
Reggieworth 3 years ago
Fucking Magna Carta wasn't written into the law so you shit for brains can use it for self pity on hopeless causes. you actually think that the silent majority who refused to abuse their right to protest is on your side? why don't you and the hobos you have to feed figure out why the protest isn't making a splash even after a disruptive event like this? what REAL results did they accomplish? Oh i know here's a positive idea - mommy daddy i'm on tV!!! now i can have a real job in acting.
egoboy 3 years ago 4
what in the world do you or arts students at ubc know about designing a bus loop and who from the student body elected to let these future hobos represent their voices? before you introduce any more reading material, why don't you use what's left of your brain cells to cite a credible source. really i wanna know more, but instead of educating the public on the cause, these protestors had to abuse their 3 seconds of fame by blaming the police for public sympathy.
egoboy 3 years ago 5
This comment has received too many negative votes show
quote from ubyssey:
"Instead of approving all three phases, they've said that they'll just deal with the first phase. Stephen Toope has said the entire above ground bus loop would start from square one."
this is from back in october. it is very apparent that this group has used many tactics to call attention to what they consider a bad investment for the campus.
meetings have been attended and petitions etc signed. anyone who judges them based solely on this fire is being shortsighted.
Reggieworth 3 years ago
I still don't understand how these guys can expect to be taken seriously when their modus operandi is to start a fire on campus as a form of protest - it's just too crude and frankly, unintelligent. I think there are far more elegant ways to influence people.
genestho 3 years ago 4
absolutely, if this was the only protest/action then it would be pretty silly.
however this is after many months of attending meetings, attempting influence through petitions, newspaper articles, non music- no fire protests on the site, etc etc.
many ways have been worked, and more will be in the future.
this was just one event and i think you will have a hard time finding anyone who would say the fire was a good idea.
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggieworth, "sometimes disturbance is needed to make that jump" - yeah, you just about made enemy with everyone here and irritated thousands more who saw it on tv.
lf the planning was so well thought out, and the protest was the last straw, what have the protestors gained since that night of the fire? did it actually help? I will be frank in admitting that i never heard and watched anything about this before the video, but now that you've done it - where are the results? what next?
egoboy 3 years ago
Don't you have to actually be somebody before you can sell out?
jbrisby 3 years ago
excessive force? r u kidding me....How do u expect the police to break up a protest...with tea and crumpets? -_-
cherrygirl3 3 years ago
That didn't make any sense egoboy. You obviously don't know what the f**k you're talking about.
I out of here. I've got better things to do with my time then debate with conservative asshats.
peaceandthanks 3 years ago 2
There really needs to be some open forums for the student community to speak about this because obviously there are some strong opinions for and against the knoll. After this bonfire KAid has honestly lost much of my respect along with many of my peers no matter what the police did. You cannot hide behind what the police did, you must face what caused it in the first place. You guys need a new PR campaign quick to salvage the support you have before it is lost.THAT DOES NOT MEEN ANOTHER FIRE
Bornmixed 3 years ago
Have you ever organized a campaign Egoboy? Ever stood on the front lines for something?
Until you've actually tried to make something happen and faced the reality of truely creating change you don't know shit about shit.
peaceandthanks 3 years ago
THINK, Mr. I look professional, THINK - it's what your tuition meant to do! I hope your English credit didn't just teach you to respond to any arguments with a whiny you don't know me and therefore you can't tell me i'm wrong.
egoboy 3 years ago
emotroll, use your remedial engrish credit and learn to read when responses are pertinent to your comments.
you tell us what it takes and does not take to be a protester but when someone who actually does it CORRECTS your mistaken assumptions you decide to attack them?
go back to high school, you don't deserve to be in uni yet
Reggieworth 3 years ago
lol emotroll needs to go through gradeschool before he can go to high school.
padraa3 3 years ago
oh shit sorry wrong account, i meant post that under reggieworth.
padraa3 3 years ago
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well, spoof account person. if you have access to my account then why don't you repost using the right one?
go away 311egardoar/311egar/311rage/[plus a dozen more suspended accounts], are you really so obsessed with me that you spend time finding where i've posted and make trouble? i suppose you have something to say about this vid or my comments? no? just here to harass eh?
everybody take note that when you argue with asshole amerikans DO NOT USE YOUR PRIMARY ACCOUNT . . .
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggieworth and peace, why don't you ever think about the benefits of the new bus loop? this is what I love about these arts students, they believe, yet they don't think. Because just standing up for your belief is so god damn sacred, there's absolutely no independent thinking required behind every move. No explanations. Is there a mission statement somewhere? Is there even a publicly available argument for their view?? And these people are supposed to be my kid's high school teachers? SHIT!
egoboy 3 years ago 4
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"why don't you ever think about the benefits of the new bus loop?"
new bus loop sure, underground bus loop just sounds dodgy even without looking into it... shortsighted planning that dosn't allow for expansion.
"absolutely no independent thinking required behind every move. No explanations. Is there a mission statement somewhere? Is there even a publicly available argument for their view?"
troll.
you say ur on campus, perhaps you missed the knoll newspaper? or the website.
h8 somewhere else
Reggieworth 3 years ago
that's what these ubc arts students don't get - in the real world (and i've graduated some years ago with my bcom so excuse me for not reading the knoll paper), people need to see results. call that apathy if you want, write another paper complaining if you'd like, but it's not going to change.
i think what you don't realize is to a certain extent, i actually wish for success for these protestors. perception is reality. and these spoiled farts are perceived as brainless idiots here & beyond.
egoboy 3 years ago 3
reggie, the point is - nobody that replied to this saw any police brutality, not even your only other sole follower peaceandthanks. So using youtube or news hour to gain sympathy from the public over a false claim of police using excessive force is down right uneducated and not going to win you any respect. It doesn't take a dead person for the public to call in. if they was actually any brutality, i know for one the parents of these dumb art farts will be on the frontline calling for action.
egoboy 3 years ago 3
reggieworth, let's just say that the knoll is now preserved because of the protest - hypothetically. what kind of message is the university sending? if you don't like something, start a fire and as long as you get on prime time tv the university will just fall back? you really think these guys are the ones with an opinion? I'll tell you - if this type of movement is tolerated, the university will never get anything done. if the world was ruled by these arts students,we'd still be in stone age.
egoboy 3 years ago 2
"what kind of message is the university sending? if you don't like something, start a fire"
wow. you should be a politician!
the right to protest/make groups to voice opinions & change things you don't like is front and center in our society..
where have you been?
not one person here has ever defended the fire as a smart move and 9/10of the protesters stood aside when the fireman showed right?
you cant gloss over the whole protest because of one night.
u try to make it sound like this was IT
Reggieworth 3 years ago
hey reggie,
"that political science degree not working out for you? nothing fun to do this weekend? why not stir shit up at your local protest. it's a great way to meet like minded douchebags with too much time on their hands. you might even get laid!"
haha thanks, aquavit, i don't even have to come up with my own reply anymore. Reggie, just give it up, the students already have. why don't you?
egoboy 3 years ago 2
its funny how you put down a person for being an arts major in poli sci for being involved in a political action.
"if the world was ruled by these arts students,we'd still be in stone age"
guess what it is, and we ain't. its the cowboy/medieval mentality you display that keeps us back
did you not read UBC professor Michael Byers' comments about supporting an inquest?
tinyurl*com/6fbcwk
"a more diplomatic and conciliatory approach could have been taken by the authorities that evening"
Reggieworth 3 years ago
as usual there is a big difference between what is considered acceptable under the charter of rights and what hollywood/CNN influenced people THINK is acceptable
all the people who write "they deserve to be stomped. Dumb fucking pussies" and similar obviously just wish they could be the one stomping.
xenophobic hateful people with internet access and no life. get bent.
i love how the cops outnumber the protesters. guess it must have been a boring night in quiet vancouver
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggie, i love your selective reading. but that's okay, consider that degree of yours a handicap sign, i'll help you grasp the point all of us are trying to make :
1. what did the protest accomplish? celebrating freedom of speech?
2. where are the students NOW?
3. If there was police brutality, how far along are we in the legal process?
4. What's so medieval about thinking before you act?
5. If thinking was done, where do you see this going next?
think, artsy brain, think!
egoboy 3 years ago
MSc not BA
little you know troll
1. the ongoing continuing and historic accomplishments of this protest are letting the university bureaucracy know the students have something to say about the decision & like to be heard
2. in class i hope
3. brutality is nowhere in the description, why do you keep harping on about it. excessive force & intimidation of non-threatening people did happen, arbitrary arrests did happen & hopefully there will be an inquest...
its not just students asking for it now
Reggieworth 3 years ago
4. medieval is your solutions & incorrect assumptions shared by your fellow haters about what should've happened to these students. in the wild west lawmen had their own rules. since then we refined the magna carta into a charter of rights & if an officer does not know/care when he is violating your rights [s]he should not be a cop
5. next is most likely to continue with what they have been doing for months&months
IF they light a fire again i will agree they are fools, but it aint gonna happen
Reggieworth 3 years ago
"Msc not BA" - I never wrote BA, who's hating now?
1. Heard and ignored. nexxxt.
2. where they always should've been
3. a fire lid up on your property and you call it non-threatening, oh i forgot, u're in stone age, it's a miracle!
4. Solutions? Where is the problem? oh i get it. it's your undergraduate degree. Sorry!
5. continue doing what? looking for the next 3 seconds of fame?
egoboy 3 years ago
"that degree of yours a handicap sign"
"think, artsy brain, think"
"I never wrote BA"
didnt say you did, however lumping me in with the arts people and hippies you so obviously hate is just one more proof of your troll behavior.
you dislike a group of people & think their methods are lame and if someone defends or explains it to you then they are your enemy too[??]
you are just here to argue an inane point &its apparent in all your posts
"nothing noble about standing up for a belief"
riiight
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggie, thanks for the history lesson on human rights - but guess what? it's done. there's nothing noble about standing up for a belief anymore, it's about the idea. The idea of bringing the police down for a ride just to put back a simple "dodgy" underground bus loop construction that has provided millions with convenience all over the world. it's ok to fear technology, but to have yourself dragged away like a 3 year old that won't leave the playground is just as embarrassing as defending it.
egoboy 3 years ago
yeah i have stood on the front lines for one thing all the time, it's kind of complicated but it is called MY BRAIN.
What is the point of organizing a protest if you don't get any results? So all I am saying is if anyone truly cared, you'd see this fire incident as a chance to adjust the tactics of campus movements. NOBODY gives a shit about protests that fail, it's the ones that succeeded that made history.
egoboy 3 years ago
Wow, these students are a bunch of faggots, LOL. Huddling in a hippie-group yelling "Shame".
These officers have stressful, dangerous jobs where they are faced with the possibility of death to keep others safe. They don't have time to be fucking around with a bunch of hippies at a university. You waste their time, they put you in your place because they're the enforcers of the law. When you waste their time, you're also putting others lives at risk.
Stop fucking around, Hippies. SHAMMMEEE!!
AlmostJesus 3 years ago 3
You know egoboy, I think we're both insecure. Otherwise, why would we be wasting our time on here attacking each other seeking some kind of self worth through a superior ideology?
You know though. I think someone with the with username egoboy has got to have some real ego issues.
And, yes, protesting does come down to balls. Oh, and the Constuction won't stop if someone steps in front of a bulldozer. They will just call the cops and arrest that person too
That is how things work.
peaceandthanks 3 years ago
And yes, I am insecure. I am deeply insecure about is how many of you helpless romantics don't use your brains to look at the protest's strategy and all other aspects that might actually HELP their cause in this lawful society. Just "standing up for your belief" never gets anything done. It's the lobbying, the business interest, the media that will actually trigger change. So another weekend is upon us and the bulldozer's not here yet, why don't I see anyone stand up for their causes again?
egoboy 3 years ago
peaceandthanks, it takes no balls to jump around a fire and hold on to your drunk friends knowing the police will not attack. just another one night stand in the name of peace and freedom is how this will be remembered - if at all. to consider some of these hopeless romantics "Hippie" is an insult to real hippies who have the resilience to see their causes through.
egoboy 3 years ago
first of all, why is it only 'hippies' who stand up for what they believe. any and all people should do it and they can do it in whatever manner you want to.
nonviolence gets results sometimes
violence gets results sometimes
one night stands work sometimes
attrition works sometimes
before calling out your old 'holier than thou' bullshit remember these people went out of their way to make their view known. some people just rant from behind their computer or shout at their TV = totally useless
Reggieworth 3 years ago
Reggieworth, these people did not go out of their way to make their view known as their dumb protest took place right in the centre of campus and offered free admission to all the drunk pub crawlers on the way back. if you call that standing up for your beliefs, parliament sessions should be held at the local bars.
egoboy 3 years ago
Again, I repeat
Just "standing up for your belief" never gets anything done. It's the lobbying, the business interest, the media that will actually trigger change.
I guess an arts degree at ubc doesn't teach you that.
egoboy 3 years ago 2
second of all, "the lobbying, the business interest, the media" are alerted by who?
you think the lobbies magically appear? no they are representing a viewpoint.
you think businesses are alpha-thinkers? no, they respond to the wants of the customers.
you think the media decides what the new is?[well sometimes, but usually] no, they are reporting on what happened already.
without an alpha group to stand up and make a stink there would be no lobby, business or discussion in the media. idiot
Reggieworth 3 years ago
I don't know how things are in the future hobo's shack at wreck beach, but in our homes there's something called a phone which we can use to dial to a local MP, and a computer that can send emails to the media should we ever find discontent with our society. When the police tasered the polish guy at the vancouver airport, phone calls flooded the tv station to force a public inquiry on the subject. How many crazy arts students did it take to accomplish that? Zero.
egoboy 3 years ago
"phone calls flooded the tv station to force a public inquiry on the subject. How many crazy arts students did it take to accomplish that"
a] a man died. this usually means more people will care
b] have you ever tried phoning an MP? did you get results? these students already dealt with the issue through the 'proper' channels and did not get the result so obviously the months of visible protest was next.
why do you persist in ignoring the history of this issue? this was not the only action
Reggieworth 3 years ago
You know egoboy, I think we're both insecure. Otherwise, why would we be wasting our time on here attacking each other seeking some kind of self worth through a superior ideology?
You know though. I think someone with the with username egoboy has got to have some real ego issues.
And, yes, protesting does come down to balls. Oh, and the Constuction won't stop if someone steps in front of a bulldozer. They will just call the cops and arrest that person too
That is how things work.
peaceandthanks 3 years ago
You know egoboy, I think we're both insecure. Otherwise, why would we be wasting our time on here attacking each other seeking some kind of self worth through a superior ideology?
You know though. I think someone with the with username egoboy has got to have some real ego issues.
And, yes, protesting does come down to balls. Oh, and the Constuction won't stop if someone steps in front of a bulldozer. They will just call the cops and arrest that person too
That is how things work.
peaceandthanks 3 years ago
To the people who seem to hate art students and 'hippies'
1. I graduated from business school. I'm a professional and look professional everyday.
2. I consider myself a 'hippie' and have dedicated my life to making the world a better place.
3. I side with the protestors. They were standing up to the powers that be and speaking truth. Something the vast majority of people do not have the balls to do.
Don't think that everyone you hate fits into the one box.
peace and thanks
peaceandthanks 3 years ago
hahah "I look professional everyday" - what are you trying to say? other people don't look professional?
i'm sorry for picking on you bud, but your words scream insecurity and I just can't look past even the first line!
egoboy 3 years ago
A useless protest anyways. What a bunch of pussies. That just looked like a regular Friday night in Maple Ridge throwing me and my friends in the drunk tank. Go protest genocide in Africa and see what happens you useless spoiled daddys-paying-my-tuition tits!
JooserParfs 3 years ago
The mob should lynch those cops and hang them from the streetlamps. That would send an appropriate message.
ScaredPiglet 3 years ago
Also on the fire. No one would have been charged becuase I doubt anyone credible was willing to tell the authorities. Plus its not really a true crime the fire. Its considered a possible danger so unless your a repeat offender you wont get punished for a fire that is possibly dangerous.
NazyFan 3 years ago
Wheres the police brutuality?
NazyFan 3 years ago
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tazer news:
(globe&mail)
vancouver transit police have been tasering passengers who try to avoid paying fares...
"I think it's absolutely uncalled for, absolutely reprehensible, and the police should not be doing that," federal Liberal public safety critic Ujjal Dosanjh(ap.15)
"This is the kind of example that would lead people like me, who have so far resisted asking for a moratorium, to actually call for that"
misused all the time, time to take them away before they get too used to havin em
Reggieworth 3 years ago
this is what happens when parents don't beat their kids - they get beat up by authority when they grow up. live with it, arts faculty. you can talk about this to your co-worker at the gap when you graduate.
egoboy 3 years ago
police using excessive force? How about students not using enough brains?
you set a fire in the middle of school property that is fucking arson. what does charter of rights have to do with this? would you expect the police to read the damn bill to the arsonist burning your house down before they make an arrest?
egoboy 3 years ago
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hey emoboy, nobody was arrested for the fire. read something about what happened before insulting all around..
you have something against arts faculty? they didn't accept you? or what?
Reggieworth 3 years ago
uh i don't know what planet you got your education from but students were arrested as stated on global news and in the description of the video.
arts faculty not accepting me? are you fucking kidding? arts has the lowest admission average,..i'm a direct entry commerce grad from ubc that many 1st year arts students would die to become. this video confirms the reason why.
egoboy 3 years ago
whoop dii. if your so smart then why the put downs? a commerce student should know it takes all kinds of people to run the world.
even BAs!
students were arrested:
1 for standing in front of the firehose for 20 seconds-released immediately
1 for 'assault' of a po
19 'obstruction' charges for sitting around the police car because they saw the arrest as unjust
nobody was arrested[fined?] for the fire as far as i've read. it was out 30sec after the water turned on.
typical exaggeration by bigots
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggieworth, don't get me wrong. i have much respect for the BAs, many of whom are brilliant. but for some reason, at UBC in particular, the arts students seem to feed off lost anti-establishment causes like this more passionately and brainlessly than others across the nation. if you can't share my embarrassment for the fact that these sad, waste of my tax dollar future hobo candidates are graduated by my alma mater i'm afraid i have no more to add.
egoboy 3 years ago
"arts students seem to feed off lost anti-establishment causes"
"share my embarrassment for..these sad, waste of my tax dollar future hobo candidates"
see, bigotry.
"i have much respect for the BAs, many of whom are brilliant"
covering up ahead of time for the fact that you have an unreasonable dislike for arts majors
what gives emoboy? would you like me to rant about economists screwing over the world or something?
if you think social action is confined to UBC you need to get out more
Reggieworth 3 years ago
reggieworth, why would I try to cover up my "unreasonable dislike for ats majors" if i'm truly a bigot as you described?
Many of my friends are BAs across Ontario & Quebec where there are actually impactful jobs and government institutions through which you can have a greater say on the world than the Arts co-op at ubc that sends you to a consulate in Mexico at best.
egoboy 3 years ago
ego. while i can appreciate your position and opinion on protesters i just cant get past your need to insult these people as arts student future hobo candidates.
if your friends with "BAs across Ontario & Quebec" can have "impactful[?] jobs" then why can't these people be anything but hobos?
"time after time arts students launch futile protests in the name of social justice to ease their boredom and despair in life"
this just shows an irrational hate for arts students. what gives?
Reggieworth 3 years ago
Reggieworth, what makes you think I dislike protestors in general? I just dislike the ones with no brains, no planning, and coinicdentally this is all I see in this UBC arts student protests. The point is we don't live in Cambodia, there are many lawful and more effective ways to trigger change in our society, yet I see no attempt in this campaign to leverage any other avenues than street protest. Prove me wrong, reggieworth, show me a follow up to this.the world has no patience for whiny adults
egoboy 3 years ago 4
"I see no attempt in this campaign to leverage any other avenues than street protest"
only because you have no interest in looking past this video.
"there are many lawful and more effective ways to trigger change in our society"
yes, and they have been part of the protest. what 'triggers' change is the jump from being an issue only seen by a small number of people [i.e. only on campus] to an issue seen by many people. sometimes a disturbance is needed to make that jump.
Reggieworth 3 years ago
time after time arts students launch futile protests in the name of social justice to ease their boredom and despair in life. had they really cared about preserving the knoll, they should be speaking to the administration through the alma mater society, making sound business cases for a different bus loop proposal, exercise their influence in the media as opposed to whining like fucking 3 year olds and expecting the public to baby their cause. Sorry, mommy and daddy can't help you this time!
egoboy 3 years ago
Reggieworth you think this is about balls? let's see if there will be a followup to this. Let's see if how many brave ones will really be up for the challenge of standing in front of the fucking bulldozer. believe me, if one person steps up, the construction will stop!
u know deep down the majority of the students probably doesn't care about preserving the knoll anymore than their own dorm rooms. All they wanted was the attention that they miss having from their retarded parents
egoboy 3 years ago
"believe me, if one person steps up, the construction will stop"
so if one person steps up will you STFU? or just find another thing to stab at?
"whining like fucking 3 year olds"
"attention that they miss having from their retarded parents"
"sad, waste of my tax dollar future hobo candidates"
you have nothing to add here troll. make a suggestion or perhaps propose something that might help convince the people were wrong, but berating people for this action is totally non-productive & childish
Reggieworth 3 years ago
"i have much respect for the BAs, many of whom are brilliant"
covering up ahead of time for the fact that you have an unreasonable dislike for arts majors
what gives EMOBOY? would you like me to rant about economists screwing over the world or something?
if you think social action is confined to UBC you need to get out more
padraa3 3 years ago
You can not truly understand about the Police until you find yourself on the wrong side of the fence.
peaceandthanks 3 years ago
One thing the police here should have done here was wear earmuffs, too much yelling it was brutal!
daamits 3 years ago 2
RCMP deputy commissioner found in contempt of Parliament -CBC Apr.10/2008
"I move ... that the House of Commons find Barbara George in contempt of Parliament for providing false and misleading testimony to the House of Commons standing committee of public accounts on Feb. 21, 2007," -Shawn Murphy (Head of Public Accounts Committee Canada) Apr.10/2008
Regarding RCMP's $12-billion pension and insurance plans.
MajNorberg 3 years ago
• December 2006: Mr. Zaccardelli becomes the first commissioner in the history of the RCMP to be forced out under a cloud of controversy. He is forced to resign after his admission that he had misled a parliamentary committee on his involvement in the case of Mr. Arar, saying he had "made a mistake" in that testimony and he did not know that Mounties did not try to correct the record with the Americans at the time.Globe & Mail Mar. 29, 2007
MajNorberg 3 years ago
• November 2006: Saskatchewan RCMP Constable Thierry Jacques is sentenced to three years in jail for sexually assaulting a female prisoner while she was in custody. A judge found him guilty of taking the 26-year-old woman from her cell and sexually assaulting her in the garage at the La Ronge RCMP detachment on Sept. 4, 2004.Globe & Mail Mar. 29, 2007
MajNorberg 3 years ago
stupid hippies, leave it alone... go eat some shrooms down on wrec beach where you belong
phillisdaman 3 years ago 2
so yeah where is brutality here
spoiled brats!
daamits 3 years ago
bru·tal·i·ty (br-tl-t)
n. pl. bru·tal·i·ties
1. The state or quality of being ruthless, cruel, harsh, or unrelenting.
2. A ruthless, cruel, harsh, or unrelenting act.
Noun 1. brutality - the trait of extreme cruelty
ferociousness, viciousness, savagery
cruelness, cruelty, harshness - the quality of being cruel and causing tension or annoyance
2. brutality - a brutal barbarous savage act
barbarism, barbarity, savagery
atrocity, inhumanity - an act of atrocious cruelty
daamits 3 years ago
I've been following this stream and have been surprised by how much anger people have for "hippies".
Where does this rage come from?
I'm a hippie. I have committed my life to challenging the injustices that saturate our society and I've been beaten down by the police for standing up for what I believe is right.
Why does that make you so angry? It is because deep down conservative people are basically selfish? Deep down, in your undeveloped heart, does that truth hurt you?
peace&love
peaceandthanks 3 years ago
no shit dustychipura!
imagine if you were assaulted on the street and went in to an emergency ward or police station after, then somebody said ""oh you are very lucky madam, if you were in (some country) you would be killed and left on the side of the road""
the logic is astounding!
so long as somebody out there has it worse than us we can justify hurting people who dont deserve it...?
nicholasix 3 years ago 5
jeez hippies, get a life. they've done nothing but throw garbage in parking lot.
chentso 3 years ago 3
The cops are allowed to be rough with people breaking the law, that's one of the main point's of police, we as a society give them the right to be rough and use force. They are allowed to hurt you if they must. They will try not to, but they have to do their job. If you listen to them and don't act stupid they will not have to be rough. Seriously you guys are just lucky they didn't bust out the tazers. Also note the majority of these comments support the police action.
1988Mscott 3 years ago
HAHAHA
You call that police brutality? That's just comical.
bluefox670 3 years ago
have you seen the first guy arrested? he was 10feet from blocking the firehose and got pushed against and over a short wall by police [charged with assaulting a peace officer]
this vid is just part of the events. the unlawful arrest of that guy[an invited musician] is the reason for protest here
it is only 'obstructing a police officer' if they are performing lawful duties and these people were all convinced the guy was arrested unlawfully
they had the right and charges will be dropped
nicholasix 3 years ago 4
I'm not seeing what you're seeing. You're also neglecting the fact that the police only sprung into action because the protesters were standing on the fire hose preventing the firefighter from doing his job, and damaging the fire truck's equipment by plugging a high-pressure hose.
The eyes see what they want... they'll make up whatever they want. There was no police brutality here. None whatsoever.
bluefox670 3 years ago
it is not up to you, or even the officer, to determine if the arrest is valid or not. "that makes us a judge and jury", which you, and the officers are not. You get your time in court to defend yourself.
obstructing an officer is illegal whether you like the arrest or not.
sparka666 3 years ago
that's a pretty poor attitude sparky666, what if you are already beaten to death, or shot? What will a judge and jury do for you?
sloppdfdflsvd 3 years ago
Thats not my attitude, thats the way any justice system that allows for a free trial works.
and to answer your question, nothing, you would be dead. None of these kids are in any immediate danger of bodily harm in any way.
sparka666 3 years ago
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in an unlawful arrest, obstruction of the police is not an 'obstruction of a policeman in the execution of his duty' since in so acting a policeman is not acting within the terms of his duty
this means that
if you feel strongly enough the initial arrest is unlawful that you obstruct, you share the same fates
the musician in the car was charged with assaulting a police officer, more likely he was singled out as a 'ringleader' earlier and targeted after dark during the commotion.: *(IMO)
Reggieworth 3 years ago
there is no such thing as an unlawful arrest. A police officer does not charge you with a crime at the point of arrest. You are arrested in order to remove you from the situation. Any person may be detained for up to 48hrs without being charged with a crime.
If you obstruct an arrest you are actually infringing on the person being arrested, and deserve to share their fate.
sparka666 3 years ago 2
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no such thing as unlawful arrest? LMfcukinAO
that part dosnt even deserve a retort, however arbitrary arrest and detention has a wiki page
'Arbitrarily arresting and detaining persons contradicts rule of law established in democracies as well as habeas corpus and is thereafter illegal in those regimes. It is often a characteristic of dictatorships or police states, which may also engage in forced disappearance'
its not that i dont believe you but do you have a reference for the 48hr detention
Reggieworth 3 years ago
I'm sorry, I was actually mistaken about that, seems that last year they shortened it down to 24hrs. Section c503 of the criminal code.
sparka666 3 years ago