@love4frogs That's for sure. We discuss many of these and explain how and why they occurred in our free online yeshiva (school) or authentic Messianic Judaism: YeshivaBethHaShem
@johnofallfaith Could you send me a message in my inbox with the web address? I am having problems finding it. If you want, you may add me on facebook; Patty Miller Masters
@love4frogs I sent the yeshiva address to your inbox. Youtube wont let me post links here. To go to our free yeshiva add a dot org to our name, yeshivabethhashem Shalom
You put forward a strong case for worshiping on the Sabbath, but I believe many don't do so (beside being cultured into Sunday worshiping) because Sabbath churches tend to subject people to follow 'the law' which is impractical in a Western society. For example they encourage no eating of pork, while at the same time wearing clothing of mixed fabrics. I would worship on the Sabbath only if allowed the freedom Jesus gave, and not being a hypocrite by keeping some laws, and breaking others.
@Kumtekmeon Thanks for your reply, however I'm not sure God will concur with it.
He says Above all, my Sabbaths you shall keep. (Ex 20:8-11, 31:13). Man made religions teach what they teach. Our service is to God not to man. If you accept the biblical command you should honor Shabbat as we are commanded.
If you believe eating pork etc. is allowed now do as you feel the Spirit leading. But if you would rather eat pork than obey God, Shabbat and pork are the least of your worries.
@Kumtekmeon You can of course do as you wish.Our service is to be directed to HaShem alone, not to some religious group. If all the world worships Baal will you refuse to worship HaShem due to their errors or will you say along with the prophet, "As for me and my house, we will worship Adonai."
@johnofallfaith I don't think I suggest that person's go about worshiping Baal. I only pointed out that the common understanding of worshiping on the Sabbath is that one must keep the [Law]. I will say again, I have no problem worshiping on the Sabbath, and I appreciate those who choose to keep the laws as the prophets of old did, but for those of us who believe in [Jesus], if we are to worship on the Sabbath, our doctrines should be of Christ and not of Moses.
@Kumtekmeon Baal worship was an example not an accusation. The point is that one should worship God regardless of what others do or don't do. Sabbath is the only biblical day of worship. Worship is to go to the God of Israel only, not to Moshe or to Y'shua (Moses or Jesus). Torah says Shabbat honors the creation and is for all people for all times. Y'shua and his disciples kept the Sabbath. Each person must decide to obey HaShem or not. Shalom
@johnofallfaith Jesus kept the Sabbath as His CUSTOM. Jesus in His teachings at no time demanded that persons [worship] on the Sabbath. He was more concern that we ought to worship in Spirit AND in Truth.I am, however, NOT saying that persons' should not worship on the Sabbath, I am considering Sabbath worship myself - but worshiping God goes beyond a day AND set doctrines - As Jesus said, the Pure in heart shall see God - Not the Sabbath keepers. Peace be unto you too.
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat_24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Thanks for this video. Hopefully you know that Christians have also adopted a lot of other pagan traditions ie: christmas and easter.
love4frogs 6 months ago
@love4frogs That's for sure. We discuss many of these and explain how and why they occurred in our free online yeshiva (school) or authentic Messianic Judaism: YeshivaBethHaShem
Shalom
johnofallfaith 6 months ago
@johnofallfaith Could you send me a message in my inbox with the web address? I am having problems finding it. If you want, you may add me on facebook; Patty Miller Masters
love4frogs 6 months ago
@love4frogs Done. You should have it.
If I can be of assistance let me know.
johnofallfaith 6 months ago
@johnofallfaith I wasn't meaning to this video. You were talking about an online yeshiva school....
love4frogs 5 months ago
@love4frogs I sent the yeshiva address to your inbox. Youtube wont let me post links here. To go to our free yeshiva add a dot org to our name, yeshivabethhashem Shalom
johnofallfaith 5 months ago
You put forward a strong case for worshiping on the Sabbath, but I believe many don't do so (beside being cultured into Sunday worshiping) because Sabbath churches tend to subject people to follow 'the law' which is impractical in a Western society. For example they encourage no eating of pork, while at the same time wearing clothing of mixed fabrics. I would worship on the Sabbath only if allowed the freedom Jesus gave, and not being a hypocrite by keeping some laws, and breaking others.
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon Thanks for your reply, however I'm not sure God will concur with it.
He says Above all, my Sabbaths you shall keep. (Ex 20:8-11, 31:13). Man made religions teach what they teach. Our service is to God not to man. If you accept the biblical command you should honor Shabbat as we are commanded.
If you believe eating pork etc. is allowed now do as you feel the Spirit leading. But if you would rather eat pork than obey God, Shabbat and pork are the least of your worries.
Shalom
johnofallfaith 1 year ago
@Kumtekmeon You can of course do as you wish.Our service is to be directed to HaShem alone, not to some religious group. If all the world worships Baal will you refuse to worship HaShem due to their errors or will you say along with the prophet, "As for me and my house, we will worship Adonai."
Its your choice.
johnofallfaith 6 months ago
@johnofallfaith I don't think I suggest that person's go about worshiping Baal. I only pointed out that the common understanding of worshiping on the Sabbath is that one must keep the [Law]. I will say again, I have no problem worshiping on the Sabbath, and I appreciate those who choose to keep the laws as the prophets of old did, but for those of us who believe in [Jesus], if we are to worship on the Sabbath, our doctrines should be of Christ and not of Moses.
Kumtekmeon 5 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Baal worship was an example not an accusation. The point is that one should worship God regardless of what others do or don't do. Sabbath is the only biblical day of worship. Worship is to go to the God of Israel only, not to Moshe or to Y'shua (Moses or Jesus). Torah says Shabbat honors the creation and is for all people for all times. Y'shua and his disciples kept the Sabbath. Each person must decide to obey HaShem or not. Shalom
johnofallfaith 5 months ago
@johnofallfaith Jesus kept the Sabbath as His CUSTOM. Jesus in His teachings at no time demanded that persons [worship] on the Sabbath. He was more concern that we ought to worship in Spirit AND in Truth.I am, however, NOT saying that persons' should not worship on the Sabbath, I am considering Sabbath worship myself - but worshiping God goes beyond a day AND set doctrines - As Jesus said, the Pure in heart shall see God - Not the Sabbath keepers. Peace be unto you too.
Kumtekmeon 5 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Exodus 31:13 ...Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generation...
31:14 ...it is holy unto you:...
31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD...
31:16 ... keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Obey HaShem or disobey Him. Its your choice.
johnofallfaith 5 months ago
@johnofallfaith Rebbe Y'shua was a righteous, Torah observant Jew.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Shabbat observance is critical in the Torah (the Law).
johnofallfaith 5 months ago
@johnofallfaith He taught about proper Shabbat observance:
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat_24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
He taught to observe Shabbat
johnofallfaith 5 months ago