Thank you for putting it in to perspective. I actually knew James Arthur Ray, and ooh boy, could I ever tell you some stories!! A Huge Phoney, LIAR, Womanizer, and Coke Head! At a church seminar, (where he was to scam folks into buying his materials, etc.) he was BADLY stoned on coke (not unusual)... and I told him not to go on, somehow he pulled it off. I have the video and photos! Biggest "scam artist" ever. Never cared about anyone but his bank account!
I do not feel so sorry for the idiots that followed this Con Man James Arthur Ray and died in a Sweat Lodge Ceremony. I feel sorry for their Families who have to pick up the pieces.
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James Arthur Ray promised better careers, more money, success, influence with people, and a selfish Self Centered way to expand ones life. The people who died wanted MORE MORE MORE out of life instead of being happy with what they had. ERGO...they died for their own GREED of "getting ahead".
If your dinner guests gets choked some bony fish you served and dies, did you commit a crime?
The correct answer is: No, but, criminal charges would be filed by someone needing an accounting for the death, and you would be found guilty of manslaughter, and sentenced to 50 years in prison!
Also, fact: there is no scientific proof whatsoever that Indians were ever or are genetically "weaker" than any other collection of humans. There is no universally accepted definition of "weaker" in a genetic sense. Whether you survive or not depends upon how lucky you are to be born into an environment in which you are a minority or a majority specimen.
I have Biotechnology (AS), Chemical Engineering (BChE), and Math (PhD, MS) degrees.
First of all, there is no such thing as sacred ways. There is no proof whatsoever that a bunch of mindless rituals that people pull out of their asses has any special meaning or power than any other random set of rituals I could pull out of my ass.
That fact remains unchanged no matter what culture or what era of history one is in.
how kola this is thin elk i have to say to this people that call us Indians we are not called indians we are called Native American that is all i have to say for know
how kola this is thin elk im from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe . i dont like being called indian they are from the other side of the world and i would like to say to shiningstardee it is right he is not a Anishinabe everything there is true im a 4 generation persone that holds sweat lodges my grandpa Ted Thin Elk teached me this whys of life and i have to say to all of the white men go back to where you come from and leave us the Native American Alone
Don't blame all the white people for this. There are Our own Native People that perform these ways for the white people. They charge money just as well and then head to the casino.
I didn't know anything about this 'til this morning when my supervisor told me about it. I read Matt. 24 lastnight to my daughters and I kept thinking about it.....Like it said it the verses...do not be deceive by the false prophets. We are in the last days, & we're seeing some of these false prophets rising like this dude...It's krazy! Jesus Christ never asked for money...He never told money! GOD IS GOOD!!!
I did take history classes and I'm only stating the truth. Indians were genetically weaker than the white race, that's a fact proven in Evolution of Human race, and I'm not white. If they were stronger they would be the ones that had discovered Europe and conquered it.
well Ray is not even Anishinabe...what some people don't understand is that there are only certain people who are chosen to be Lodge keepers and are recognized by the Creator, the Grandmothers and Grandfathers...he (ray) was fooling around with Sacred ways and this is what happens...it is that way for all Anishinabe too..we are not supposed to fool around with any Sacred gifts for they are more powerful than any one of us who bleed red...
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well ask yourself why they did get killed by Europeans? because they were a weak race duh... if they were strong they would the ones conquering the world, it's the truth and we have to live with it.
Sad and tragic. New Age wants to absorb other culture's knowledge, but gets it all wrong. These things are not about self-improvement in that sense. In a traditional Native American context, nobody is considered worth more for doing ascetic religious practices. It is wrong and irresponsible to discourage people from leaving a sweat lodge when they are unwell. Putting 10,000 bucks on the table and want to become whatever in ten days is wrong. Sweat lodges are a place of prayer, not shopping.
I'm sorry to say, but this is usually what happens when people have money and yet wanted ways to have more. It is indeed greed and lack of sense that lead these people to almost a predictable death. When these things are done to poor people, they normally call it "TORTURE"
I'm 45 years-old and I've been thinking a lot about money lately. I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT, WANTING IT, CHASING AFTER IT, INVESTING IT, WORSHIPING IT!!
I've spent a lot of time opening up to the truth of who I really am. I think if we're living an honest, happy, healthy life, money naturally flows to and from us without constantly OBSESSING about it!
Pathic is all I can say about this. Miss use of a person's culture has its threats. When its used for personal gain such as this unfortinate insident. If no one has the believe nor backgound knowledge of how to handle a "sweat lodge" they will be punished. This is a sacret ceremony n only a medicin man or healer can handle the ceremony, its not to be toyed with. Unfortunally innocent lives were lost because of rays mistake n I do hope he gets what he deserves. My prayers go out to the family.
say eerrrhhh, ah, come on over to my house for ten grand, I only let 15 people in my cellar at any one time, so it's "intimate" you each get a blanket andd a baloney sammich, then, I tell all of you how stupid you are, and how you need more advise, and the advise is fromm,,,,,,,ME, at the end of the stay, I'll turn the heat up in my bathroom so you can all get sweatty, and feel bad about yourself. and for another ten grand i'll give you a pillow,
I totally agree Mig this guy Ray prayed on these peoples vulnerabilities, very similar when the in the 1800's sellers would sell people snake oil telling them its a cure all. I call for first degree murder charges against Ray no death penalty I want him to rot in prison for wat he did!
"NON NATIVES" take our culture and mis use it... Not even just any Native American can do a sweat lodge. You have to know the culutue, the langauge, natural medicines, and to know how to run a sweat lodge. This is spitritual and not for someone to make money off of. The guy that ran this sweat lodge should be charged with reckless homicide,
James A Ray is a scum bag sac of shit money grubbing no good lieing sorry no real talent haveing snake oil salesman molester of sacred ways...son of a prostitute who is going to burn in hell
I wonder if they had rounds and breaks in between rounds...thas how we do ours back here in Rocky Boy, Montana. I say this nobody should pay to be in ceremony like a sweat lodge ceremony...it is one of the first ever ceremonies given to us natives by our creator...we were told to keep it sacred and holy...never exploit it for profit...thas about all I have to say...
1) Someone let a silent but deadly which was amplified to super deadly by the sweat lodge environment.
2) Ancient indian spirits tested them on this "spiritual warrior" retreat and they failed the test and were consumed by their own greed. Since it's a $9k retreat on how to empower yourself to make a lot more money.
3) They were due for a heart attack wether it be in a hot tub, suana, or sweat lodge.
OPRAH AND CNNs Larry king producers need to do a better job on who they decide to put on T.V.Any native who knows the ways can tell you that you can never sell our ways not for any price. Pray for the ones who lost there lifes and got hurt becase of this bad man.
To help people does not take money. Sweats are for the people not the individual. There are only a handful of people who know how the sweat lodge works. And it is not for profit, dumbass. Men and women never mix. Women have there own as do the men. Not all of us can be Indian, leave it to the professionals.
I did a sweat lodge 20 years ago when I had a breast tumor. They are hotter than a sauna, and no you don't pay to do a sweat lodge. It can be a wonderful comforting experience. I bet those 60-65 "paying customers" were packed in there like cattle. And I'll bet you it was because of the overcrowding that some got sick and two died.
i hope they shut that scammer DOWN. you never charge for a sweat lodge ceremony. plus isnt a "Warrior Retreat" an oxymoron? sorry they died but ive never come close to death in a sweat lodge. hmmm. we are told to have faith in Creator when you go in there so...
karmas a bitch thats what you get for going against the very essence of aboriginal spirituality by charging money for a sacred ceremony like that sheesh will white people ever learn
It is originated as Native American ceremony, I have heard that some stay in there for 10-15 hours in one day chanting and sayin mantras. It is supposedly hotter than a sauna and totally purges the body. I have never had the oppurtunity to do it myself. Just stories from a Lakota Indian friend I knew. It is part of their way of life.
and that worked out well for the Indians? that's why they fell behind until Europeans came and took their land. They failed at natural selection. This ritual is a bullshit scam
it worked out well for the indians for 1000s of yrs, but not for these 'euros'/whites. that's why these euross fell behind & killed themselves off like that. they failed at natural selection to the point they didnt have enough common sense to realize they dont breathe carbon monoxide naturally. this ritual was made a bullshite scam by that euro guy, james ray. the euros came over, took the land, & screwed themselves over. go figure.
that previous message was in reply to mockingarab. funny how that euro james ray left the state a.s.a.p. after that incident. and yes, 'it,' the sweat lodges were working out quite well for the indians for 1000s of years, but leave it to these euros to use plastic/ vinyl tarp instead & w/o adequate openings to let out the carbon monoxide before some white supremacist blames the indians for what their fellow euros did instead of their own race for being so stupid by frucking it up.
Not true actually some Natives here still do their sweats everyday and they have treaties with the USA and yes even though they are on Reservations, they survive and live on today. Go to a Reservation and get real answers..dude!
Dear Mr, Obama, when you go and collect the Pize in the Kingdom of Norway, you MUST condemn the Primer Stoltenberg's enacting of the sperm law for lesbians, where the state pay the cost for sperm purchased from Internet, and those kids being the result, have by the very same law no legal right to obtain their roots from their father's side - this depravation of the human race must be stopped, NOW. Even Hitler did not concocted such a disgust against humanity, and innocent children
Freak accident in the "truth-seeker" community. I feel for these victims Family. At 7-10 thousand dollars a pop in the course of 7 years, he could have had better business infrastructure...
For those who want to protest this murderer James Ray will be in LA Oct 13, San Diego Oct 14 and in La Jolla California at the Hyatt Regency Oct 16-17
I hope he has fun meeting real Indians
He's already selling his tickets for 1/2 price. Keep up the good work in bringing him to justice. Call the Yavapai county authorities and demand a complete investigation
Thank you for putting it in to perspective. I actually knew James Arthur Ray, and ooh boy, could I ever tell you some stories!! A Huge Phoney, LIAR, Womanizer, and Coke Head! At a church seminar, (where he was to scam folks into buying his materials, etc.) he was BADLY stoned on coke (not unusual)... and I told him not to go on, somehow he pulled it off. I have the video and photos! Biggest "scam artist" ever. Never cared about anyone but his bank account!
atlantoon 1 year ago
why dont you just leave things that belong to native people alone and you wont have this
runingblackbear 1 year ago
I do not feel so sorry for the idiots that followed this Con Man James Arthur Ray and died in a Sweat Lodge Ceremony. I feel sorry for their Families who have to pick up the pieces.
.
James Arthur Ray promised better careers, more money, success, influence with people, and a selfish Self Centered way to expand ones life. The people who died wanted MORE MORE MORE out of life instead of being happy with what they had. ERGO...they died for their own GREED of "getting ahead".
Sad and pathetic.
lamardarren 1 year ago
James Ray "made famous by Oprah", now
Dr. Oz "made famous by Oprah" is on the cover of AARP magazine May/June 2010
2036584179 1 year ago
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If your dinner guests gets choked some bony fish you served and dies, did you commit a crime?
The correct answer is: No, but, criminal charges would be filed by someone needing an accounting for the death, and you would be found guilty of manslaughter, and sentenced to 50 years in prison!
Dont be ignorant!
dennishalsey1962 2 years ago
Wiki: Cultural appropriation
robshaps 2 years ago
Also, fact: there is no scientific proof whatsoever that Indians were ever or are genetically "weaker" than any other collection of humans. There is no universally accepted definition of "weaker" in a genetic sense. Whether you survive or not depends upon how lucky you are to be born into an environment in which you are a minority or a majority specimen.
I have Biotechnology (AS), Chemical Engineering (BChE), and Math (PhD, MS) degrees.
duck24x 2 years ago
First of all, there is no such thing as sacred ways. There is no proof whatsoever that a bunch of mindless rituals that people pull out of their asses has any special meaning or power than any other random set of rituals I could pull out of my ass.
That fact remains unchanged no matter what culture or what era of history one is in.
Atheism is the only sensible position.
duck24x 2 years ago
how kola this is thin elk i have to say to this people that call us Indians we are not called indians we are called Native American that is all i have to say for know
1thinelkjr 2 years ago
how kola this is thin elk im from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe . i dont like being called indian they are from the other side of the world and i would like to say to shiningstardee it is right he is not a Anishinabe everything there is true im a 4 generation persone that holds sweat lodges my grandpa Ted Thin Elk teached me this whys of life and i have to say to all of the white men go back to where you come from and leave us the Native American Alone
1thinelkjr 2 years ago
Don't blame all the white people for this. There are Our own Native People that perform these ways for the white people. They charge money just as well and then head to the casino.
isisoneder 2 years ago 3
Let no man decive you Follow Jesus only... Jesus warned us of false teachers and religions. These guys are workers of eniquity... Do not pay to pray!
truthbeknowen 2 years ago
I didn't know anything about this 'til this morning when my supervisor told me about it. I read Matt. 24 lastnight to my daughters and I kept thinking about it.....Like it said it the verses...do not be deceive by the false prophets. We are in the last days, & we're seeing some of these false prophets rising like this dude...It's krazy! Jesus Christ never asked for money...He never told money! GOD IS GOOD!!!
laydisalazar21 2 years ago
but all the churches do...
ohtrebor 2 years ago
Thare are many many , but many deads in the name of jesus. Tell to the Talibans or Irakis what they feel about jeus...
ohtrebor 2 years ago
I did take history classes and I'm only stating the truth. Indians were genetically weaker than the white race, that's a fact proven in Evolution of Human race, and I'm not white. If they were stronger they would be the ones that had discovered Europe and conquered it.
mockingarab 2 years ago
well Ray is not even Anishinabe...what some people don't understand is that there are only certain people who are chosen to be Lodge keepers and are recognized by the Creator, the Grandmothers and Grandfathers...he (ray) was fooling around with Sacred ways and this is what happens...it is that way for all Anishinabe too..we are not supposed to fool around with any Sacred gifts for they are more powerful than any one of us who bleed red...
shiningstardee 2 years ago
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well ask yourself why they did get killed by Europeans? because they were a weak race duh... if they were strong they would the ones conquering the world, it's the truth and we have to live with it.
mockingarab 2 years ago
Spiritual Materialism at its finest
robshaps 2 years ago
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well said bro
vanityvideo 2 years ago 2
What did the Indians do to this world really? They are getting extinct.
mockingarab 2 years ago
Sad and tragic. New Age wants to absorb other culture's knowledge, but gets it all wrong. These things are not about self-improvement in that sense. In a traditional Native American context, nobody is considered worth more for doing ascetic religious practices. It is wrong and irresponsible to discourage people from leaving a sweat lodge when they are unwell. Putting 10,000 bucks on the table and want to become whatever in ten days is wrong. Sweat lodges are a place of prayer, not shopping.
midzulo 2 years ago 8
@midzulo one moron used the wrong type of rocks and they exploded
thoostorm4 1 year ago
stupid new agers...
billenh 2 years ago 4
live with less as possible,a indian thing too..
1hayoka 2 years ago
Life imprisonment for James Arthur Ray!!!!
MsSherle 2 years ago 3
HA,HA,HA, KRAZY WHITEMAN.
1hayoka 2 years ago
LoL, now a 3rd one is dead !
What a bunch of stupid idiots ! They deserved to die, survival of the fittest bitches!
You got cooked to death ! LoL, that's funny shit.
BPwhistleblower 2 years ago
Every time I watch the video of the creepy sweat lodge, I'm reminded of Jonestown and all of the bloated bodies.
I think Ray had good intentions, but perhaps his arrogance and stupidity got in the way!
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
I'm sorry to say, but this is usually what happens when people have money and yet wanted ways to have more. It is indeed greed and lack of sense that lead these people to almost a predictable death. When these things are done to poor people, they normally call it "TORTURE"
geminibsee 2 years ago
I'm 45 years-old and I've been thinking a lot about money lately. I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT, WANTING IT, CHASING AFTER IT, INVESTING IT, WORSHIPING IT!!
I've spent a lot of time opening up to the truth of who I really am. I think if we're living an honest, happy, healthy life, money naturally flows to and from us without constantly OBSESSING about it!
FigurinItOut 2 years ago
Pathic is all I can say about this. Miss use of a person's culture has its threats. When its used for personal gain such as this unfortinate insident. If no one has the believe nor backgound knowledge of how to handle a "sweat lodge" they will be punished. This is a sacret ceremony n only a medicin man or healer can handle the ceremony, its not to be toyed with. Unfortunally innocent lives were lost because of rays mistake n I do hope he gets what he deserves. My prayers go out to the family.
liviacrk14 2 years ago 2
say eerrrhhh, ah, come on over to my house for ten grand, I only let 15 people in my cellar at any one time, so it's "intimate" you each get a blanket andd a baloney sammich, then, I tell all of you how stupid you are, and how you need more advise, and the advise is fromm,,,,,,,ME, at the end of the stay, I'll turn the heat up in my bathroom so you can all get sweatty, and feel bad about yourself. and for another ten grand i'll give you a pillow,
btwall60 2 years ago
I totally agree Mig this guy Ray prayed on these peoples vulnerabilities, very similar when the in the 1800's sellers would sell people snake oil telling them its a cure all. I call for first degree murder charges against Ray no death penalty I want him to rot in prison for wat he did!
darintaylor79 2 years ago
Sticky this is not the time or place to belittle the people and families of the ones killed and injured grow up.
darintaylor79 2 years ago
That's what happens when
"NON NATIVES" take our culture and mis use it... Not even just any Native American can do a sweat lodge. You have to know the culutue, the langauge, natural medicines, and to know how to run a sweat lodge. This is spitritual and not for someone to make money off of. The guy that ran this sweat lodge should be charged with reckless homicide,
migizi9420 2 years ago 2
If you want to be cleanse take a good healthy shit and save yourself 10 grand. Fucking suckers, oh yeah.
stickyman04 2 years ago
blam it on the hippis. thats all i can say..
niitsitapi07 2 years ago 2
Nice idea.. who wants to pay 10.000 dollar and die in a sweathut?
Brulluhman 2 years ago 2
James A Ray is a scum bag sac of shit money grubbing no good lieing sorry no real talent haveing snake oil salesman molester of sacred ways...son of a prostitute who is going to burn in hell
SLUTDOGESO 2 years ago 3
I wonder if they had rounds and breaks in between rounds...thas how we do ours back here in Rocky Boy, Montana. I say this nobody should pay to be in ceremony like a sweat lodge ceremony...it is one of the first ever ceremonies given to us natives by our creator...we were told to keep it sacred and holy...never exploit it for profit...thas about all I have to say...
chippewacreeguy 2 years ago 2
3 theories:
1) Someone let a silent but deadly which was amplified to super deadly by the sweat lodge environment.
2) Ancient indian spirits tested them on this "spiritual warrior" retreat and they failed the test and were consumed by their own greed. Since it's a $9k retreat on how to empower yourself to make a lot more money.
3) They were due for a heart attack wether it be in a hot tub, suana, or sweat lodge.
charlieclown 2 years ago
OPRAH AND CNNs Larry king producers need to do a better job on who they decide to put on T.V.Any native who knows the ways can tell you that you can never sell our ways not for any price. Pray for the ones who lost there lifes and got hurt becase of this bad man.
acoma415 2 years ago 6
To help people does not take money. Sweats are for the people not the individual. There are only a handful of people who know how the sweat lodge works. And it is not for profit, dumbass. Men and women never mix. Women have there own as do the men. Not all of us can be Indian, leave it to the professionals.
humanisall 2 years ago 3
you have to know your body and know what are you capable of doing. It is easy to blame others but is our responsibility to take care of ourselves.
munequitalv 2 years ago 2
whatta fucker. D<
helloredpanda 2 years ago
I did a sweat lodge 20 years ago when I had a breast tumor. They are hotter than a sauna, and no you don't pay to do a sweat lodge. It can be a wonderful comforting experience. I bet those 60-65 "paying customers" were packed in there like cattle. And I'll bet you it was because of the overcrowding that some got sick and two died.
ColonelDeering 2 years ago
Put the scammer in jail wtf
mockingarab 2 years ago
i hope they shut that scammer DOWN. you never charge for a sweat lodge ceremony. plus isnt a "Warrior Retreat" an oxymoron? sorry they died but ive never come close to death in a sweat lodge. hmmm. we are told to have faith in Creator when you go in there so...
11NACTX11 2 years ago
karmas a bitch thats what you get for going against the very essence of aboriginal spirituality by charging money for a sacred ceremony like that sheesh will white people ever learn
kwanita29 2 years ago
nope
RaynorX 2 years ago
It is originated as Native American ceremony, I have heard that some stay in there for 10-15 hours in one day chanting and sayin mantras. It is supposedly hotter than a sauna and totally purges the body. I have never had the oppurtunity to do it myself. Just stories from a Lakota Indian friend I knew. It is part of their way of life.
spacemanlive 2 years ago
and that worked out well for the Indians? that's why they fell behind until Europeans came and took their land. They failed at natural selection. This ritual is a bullshit scam
mockingarab 2 years ago
it worked out well for the indians for 1000s of yrs, but not for these 'euros'/whites. that's why these euross fell behind & killed themselves off like that. they failed at natural selection to the point they didnt have enough common sense to realize they dont breathe carbon monoxide naturally. this ritual was made a bullshite scam by that euro guy, james ray. the euros came over, took the land, & screwed themselves over. go figure.
rumpole33 2 years ago
that previous message was in reply to mockingarab. funny how that euro james ray left the state a.s.a.p. after that incident. and yes, 'it,' the sweat lodges were working out quite well for the indians for 1000s of years, but leave it to these euros to use plastic/ vinyl tarp instead & w/o adequate openings to let out the carbon monoxide before some white supremacist blames the indians for what their fellow euros did instead of their own race for being so stupid by frucking it up.
rumpole33 2 years ago 2
Not true actually some Natives here still do their sweats everyday and they have treaties with the USA and yes even though they are on Reservations, they survive and live on today. Go to a Reservation and get real answers..dude!
spareaxe 2 years ago
where they nude?
b0rk3d 2 years ago
LOL I don't think so good question tho LOL. If they were am sure they had a towel over their private parts
Dealz1988 2 years ago
LOL
episodeIII 2 years ago
Jerks.
Leonnidik 2 years ago
to cook ure self to death seem smart?
urbanprophet777 2 years ago
But if you have to pay $10,000 to do it, it starts to sound like a good idea.
JSM10069 2 years ago
Always be careful when deciding where you will drain yourself of fluids, this rule applies for saunas and public urination.
BinkieMcFartnuggets 2 years ago
"What went wrong?" paying $10,000 to be in a sauna in the middle of the desert. Thats what went wrong.
powerman2027 2 years ago 3
no common sense that is sad
Th2EyA0rEa1MoN2gUs 2 years ago
lmao
DarthSchwartz 2 years ago
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Dear Mr, Obama, when you go and collect the Pize in the Kingdom of Norway, you MUST condemn the Primer Stoltenberg's enacting of the sperm law for lesbians, where the state pay the cost for sperm purchased from Internet, and those kids being the result, have by the very same law no legal right to obtain their roots from their father's side - this depravation of the human race must be stopped, NOW. Even Hitler did not concocted such a disgust against humanity, and innocent children
TheBestmusicworld 2 years ago
omg..are amricans stupid ?
urbanprophet777 2 years ago 3
Only the ones who can not spell Americans are! :)
Skyleap1 2 years ago
dont generalize it makes you look stupid
Th2EyA0rEa1MoN2gUs 2 years ago
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liviacrk14 2 years ago
james ray is a creeper
FundedByTheMob 2 years ago 2
"Nothing is more powerful than the blue ray."
- Prince of Atlantis
ogapadoga 2 years ago
Freak accident in the "truth-seeker" community. I feel for these victims Family. At 7-10 thousand dollars a pop in the course of 7 years, he could have had better business infrastructure...
ELLEONTHEJUDA07 2 years ago
Well. . .Death cane be is sort of spiritual. I guess she won't qualify for a refund.
TheSweetwaterJones 2 years ago
I bet your right..Its about time to see someone who calling the way it is!! Love the name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
busterflywheel 2 years ago
the "secret" is bullshit
Matthew23and9 2 years ago 2
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yeah
dont look at poor you will become one
hdzsound 2 years ago
For those who want to protest this murderer James Ray will be in LA Oct 13, San Diego Oct 14 and in La Jolla California at the Hyatt Regency Oct 16-17
I hope he has fun meeting real Indians
He's already selling his tickets for 1/2 price. Keep up the good work in bringing him to justice. Call the Yavapai county authorities and demand a complete investigation
firstnationsfirst 2 years ago
give him hell. i'd be there myself but i live in tx
aho
11NACTX11 2 years ago
wonder what the refund policy is when you die at one of these?
jhnetsale 2 years ago 2
Fuck off shithead. Fuckin' sociopath.
ehcmier 2 years ago 2
Hey guys how about we pay money so we can all cram into a shifty made tent and sit around in the midday heat?
ViciousJones 2 years ago