True. They even had Strom Thurman in their party during the Civil Rights movement.
However when the Democrats sided with the Civil Rights protesters and denounced, Strom and the rest of the "Dixiecrats" figured that the Democratic party just wasn't for them anymore.
So they jumped ship and joined....the Republican party.
But yes, they were part of the Democrats, and Conservative Democrats persist today.
That's why I don't credit "Democrats", I credit "Progressives."
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How You Can Turn Democrats into Good Guys? Shoot them all in the head in public. and if they are lucy they can use canada's health care system to fix them right up.
-> If you understand the right-wing or conservative position to be that of those who argue for free markets, competition, property rights, and the other political values inscribed in the original intent of the American founding fathers, then big business in Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, & New Deal America was NOT right-wing; it was left-wing, & it was fascistic. What's more, it still is. "
" It's fine to say that incestuous relationships between corporations & government are fascistic. The problem comes when you claim that such arrangements are inherently right-wing. If the collusion of big business & government are right-wing, then FDR was a right-winger. If corporatism & propagandistic militarism are fascist, then Woodrow Wilson was a fascist & so were the New Dealers. ->
Vice President Joe Biden ran around the country earlier this month claiming Obamas stimulus has already created 150,000 jobs around the country. Talk about making stuff up.
Anyway, I'm done. Good luck with law school and hope you put that to good use...i.e. you use that degree to protect civil liberties and not to write torture memos or increase executive power (giving the president more powers than ever before- dictatorial).
Your endless demonstrations of your extensive ignorance, even of some of the most well known political dynamics and events of our era, continues to impress. You're so steeped in leftist mysticism that you must be completely unaware of how thoroughly it has filled your mind.
Oh yes brother, there's been Liberal indoctrination, and alot of it. "Devoid of credibility" -Because of a gross misinterpretation of some books you read, and because of some things "talk show host''s" said? ->
-> are you kidding me? I've never even listened to "savage", or any of the other's.
You liberals are acutely aware of just how corrosive your politics are to humanity, so you try propping up your gibberish with credentials. I.E (Gross interpretation of "books", Talk show host's comment's, unintelligible comparison's, lie's etc.) Credentials bestowed by other devout Liberals too, of course. The breadth of your ignorance and lies far exceed my interest in debunking every single one of them.
allowing companies and industries to give money to politicians? it's forbidden in most european countries - for a good reason. the US campaing fund-raising system strikes me as so contrary to common sense that I find it hard to understand how any sane person could ever find it reasonable...
how this argument got onto Fascism, I have no idea, but if you look at US history, it's very easy to see who, and not just one political party, pushed for more regulation, and on the opposite, deregulation (1970s-present). it all goes back to who is giving whom money. that is one of the most ancient laws of politics. follow the paper trail. don't be fooled by any of these fuckers, and realize that the only way things change is when the people want them to. we have more power than we realize.
Clinton and the republicans who pushed the final "nail in the coffin", were in 1999 with the Glass Steagall Act repealed under his administration, which is one of the main reasons the credit industry has abused it's customers, leading to our economic downfall now. It started with Nixon, through Ford, and Reagan, but it wasn't just republicans. It was the whole political system that drove us to the point we are at now. It has ALL to do with special interests, which this group is fighting against.
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The DEMS are NOT the good guys. The TRUE Conservatives (NOT neocons) are the REAL GOOD GUYS! Sarah Palin is the GOODEST of GOOD GUYS for she is GOD's CHOSEN ONE, GOD INCARNATE and the LIVING EMBODIMENT OF GOD HERSELF and will be America's GREATEST POTUS!
What distinguishes a neo con from a regular con? Not one liberal can tell me, instead they spew vapid decrees, that are NEVER grounded in reality. Typical of the liberal-fascist left.
Neo cons are more radical than a regular con. They tend to have more intense views extremely far to the "right". Mind you that the current democrats are the republicans of lincoln's time and the republicans are the democrats of his time, as well. The parties have completely switched over time.
Since when has prostitution, using drugs, or gay marriage been considered a "personal freedom"? I've never seen these things in the constitution. Last I checked the constitution ONLY protects your rights to life, liberty, and property as outlined by the LAW. I believe the people of this country, for the most part anyway, say the LAW is: we don't want drug addict's, homo marriage, or disease infested whores running around.
The fact that you can't grasp this concept is irrelevant.
The Constitution doesn't mention drugs or prostitution because it didn't occur to them that these freedoms needed protecting. The country existed for a hundred years before most people seriously considered the idea of outlawing such things. It was the proto-Fascist Progressive movement of the late Nineteenth Century that first pushed for drug and prostitution laws, mainly for racist reasons.
Exactly, But since there has never been an amendment preventing/allowing such things, no "personal freedom" has been allocated - only LAWS preventing. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
The Ninth Amendment states states that additional rights exist which are not enumerated in the Constitution, and the Tenth Amendment states that powers not granted to Congress are reserved for the States or the People. So Federal drug laws do violate freedom since the Constitution never gave the Feds authority over such things. Whether State drug and prostitution laws are an abridgement of Constitutional rights is uncertain. (Although certain features of those laws clearly are.)
The constitution and bill of rights were envisioned by the founders as a safeguard against a dictator/tyrant/king. After all, freedom of speech, press, etc, are the first rights that a tyrant would squash. The founders would have been in favor of two individuals marrying, having sex, etc WITHOUT the state getting involved and DENYING individuals the right to do exactly that. The fact that you want to DENY people they right to marry the individual they love reveals the fascist within you.
And It'd be safe to say that in the 1950's and 60's, most Americans weren't in favor of miscegenation, so perhaps it was wrong to get rid of the anti-miscegenation laws in most states. You're a law student!? Have you even read any of the opinions in important cases like pace vs. Alabama, etc. Have you even paid attention to the 14th amendment based argument for the legalization of same- sex marriage?
I dont have time to answer every one of your comments but i will say this; The notion that anti-miscegenation laws being overturned are a precursor, or should be concidered equivalent to Fag's rights is absurd. The fact that they were both banned at one time is the only correlation, and not a significant one.
"An equivalent to a fag's right" Ha! You're digging yourself into a deeper hole Mr. Law student. I bet that if we had a discussion, face to face, I'd lay bare the little fascist within you in no time. And heck I'm not even a student of law or history but an engineering grad student.
I agree that it's very hard to take someone serious when their comments are full of inane Ignorant Anti-Gay Civil Rights Bigotry... even if they are a Pompous Blowhard with delusions of salient Intellect and Superiority.
Boy, that's seriously one of the stupidest comments I've ever read. The Constitution doesn't really state any Civil Rights... but The Bill of Rights does. Have a read.
... and where in the Constitution does it say the Christians OWN the concept of Marriage?
nowhere that is my point idiot. it is a states rights issue. if one state wishes to recognize it they can. if another doesnt thats fine. maybe you need a refresher course there perry mason.
Unfortunately anything that is a states rights issue ceases to be the moment the GOP opposses it. Then it is a national issue and they will trample on anybody's rights to carry out their agenda.
You have no idea what the words you use mean. You hyphenate liberal with fascist showingyou have no idea what the words mean. You shouldn't write about it if you don't even know what they mean. You fucking imbecile.
Analysis? What analysis? Outside the US, liberals are people who are socially liberal and support free market policies. Is that your definition of liberal? How is that fascist?
I mean Modern american liberalism, not the classical kind (conservatism).
Modern Liberalism is stuffed full of fascism, from Fannie May to the more recent drive to federally enforce their theology of magical molecules and its prophesy of Thermal Armageddon.
You wanna see fascism look at all the racist people at the McCain'Palin rallies. Look at conservatives telling us who we can marry, what religion to teach in our schools, and that we cant take the nessacary steps to heal our planets global warming. Hannity, Beck, O' riely, Coulter, Limbaugh, Palin ect ect those are your fascists. Palin even wants to tell us who "the real Americans" are. What sould we do with the "non-real" Americans Palin? A concentration camp perhaps? Throw in a little torture?
What are you talking about, Liberalism, and fascism walk hand in hand, that fact isn't dependent on my posts, or the time I'm willing to spend educating you on the topic, or your stubborn ignorance thereof.
Classical liberalism was associated with Adam Smith, David Hume etc. People who were socially liberal and believed in the free markets. Most modern American liberals believe just that. Conservatives believe in the philosophy of Edmund Burke and the whole Liberal vs. conservative debate dates back to the opposition to the French revolution and the Paine vs. Burke debates. Modern conservatism is part Burke, part Rand and part Pat Robertson+ Jerry Falwell.
If federal institutions like Fannie mae make a nation fascistic then by that definition England (NHS, Housing Estates, etc) and most countries in Europe are fascistic. Again, you're confusing liberalism, socialism, conservatism, libertarianism and fascism. Modern liberalism is part classical liberalism ,part democratic socialism and has nothing to do with fascism. Jonah Goldberg's book is complete with such historical and political sleights of hand and isn't scholarly by any metric.
Not only are they fascistic, (Fannie,Freddie,Global warming) but they're that specific facet of fascism involving government dictating to businesses how to conduct their business, with their dictates being a radical departure from rational business practices. Here is some more example's: Community Reinvestment Act Labor Price-Fixing Cartels ACORN Protected Class Law Carbon Credits Patriot Employer Act Fairness Doctrine Hate Crime Laws Cap and Trade Liberalism IS Fascism
Throwing a bunch of acronyms and acts, devoid of their history or context doesn't prove anything. BTW Acorn is a NGO, the CRI was passed in 1977 to prevent redlining and discrimination against black lenders in certain neighborhoods, Labor price fixing cartels have nothing to do with the commodity markets and labor laws, the patriot employer act prevents tax fraud and the existence of tax havens in Bermuda, Hate crime laws are a federal civil rights issue, etc. Nothing to do with fascism...
That oaf duvalians is clearly demented, he's so terrified of "the enemy" that his mind has snapped. It's just in it's way that his own cowardice terrifies him so much he lost what was left of his mind. He has rewritten the dictionary in line with what his masters on FOX have told him. Hopefully he'll blow his own head off instead of doing a McVeigh.
I think it's funny that when someone points out and proves your arrogant ignorance, you don't comment on that particular issue any more - you just go all non sequitur and start acting all high and mighty. Pretty hysterical in and of itself.
It's also pretty hysterical that you'll type a sentence about your use of said acronyms, but you won't define them. Kinda loopy.
Yours is a comment that screams "I'm a Kool Aid sucking Republican apologist."
I find it amusing how you simultaneously, incoherently spew YOUR ignorance, misinterpreting A WIKEPEDIA definition, and have the nerve to label ME ignorant.
Your dictionary sophistry fails miserably. Liberalism is in perfect agreemement with socialism, this isn't changed by you saying it's not.
Your request to be blocked has been denied. indefinitely.
I guess you really take a lot of pride in that little thesaurus of yours. Read the dictionary instead. It's full of "Definitions" rather than lofty bullshat.
I didn't "misrepresent" anything. I cut and pasted it. And then all you had was your blithering Faux Indignance.
And... It's "Wikipedia..." Oh great Master of Useless Words.
And I find it "amusing" that you have such a high opinion of your convoluted misinformed arrogantly Ignorant self.
I guess i shouldn't have expected a Liberal to comprehend the meaning of "simultaneous",especially considering you're one who misinterprets various WikEpedia definitions.
The simultaneous aspect of your former statements is/was Ignorant, also at the same time-(SIMULTANEOUSLY) you vapidly denounced me as ignorant.
The truth of Fascism is more than "lofty bullshat"-whatever that is? instead of spewing mindless decrees how about try logic, reason, and/or lesson's of history.
Barramabot's are "sucking Kool-Aid" by the truck load.
-"Patriot Employer Act" punishes those who don't submit to labor price fixing cartels. Liberal-Fascism
-Community Reinvestment Act criminalizes sound lending practices & sponsors Socialist race hustlers like ACORN to enforce their fascist edicts.- Liberal-Fascism
Whats "kind of loopy" is your mind not being able to comprehend that Fascism is social & economical Despotism, not Conservatism, or Classical Liberalism.
I refer to the Republican Politicians of this Generation who goose-stepped in lock-step with Junior and all his kissing of Corporate asses in terms of Tax Breaks. That is by most definitions, "Fascism." It is the pure and simple conflation of State and Corporations.
All you got is pseudo-intellectual Talking Points and rhetoric.
Your version of what's fascistic is almost as amusing as the pride and gaiety you demonstrate in attempting to reject logic, reason, common sense, and history.
No matter how many times in how many ways their gibberish is debunked, the devout Liberal fascist will just recite their mythologies over and over and over yet again.
Then again, they wouldn't be Liberals if they had the capacity to learn.
You're an idiot. Contemplate the difference between "fasces" (what I wrote) and "faces" (what you wrote). One day, perhaps, you'll graduate from being a fuckwit who cannot read or spell to an idiot who cannot look things up in google.
Ok i'll rephrase the question. What does fasces on an inanimate object have to do with AMERICAN Liberal-Fascism? Please enlighten me oh great knowledgeable one
"Hey dude" are hot dogs and guitar strings mainly thrown by criminals on sunday? (do attempt lucidity)
You have improved, just a little. You can now correctly spell "fasces."
Somebody more intelligent than you (around 99% of the world's population) might wonder if "fasces" and "fascism" share a common root because they both start with "fasc."
Somebody yet more intelligent still (around 50% of the world's population) might do some research into what fasces actually are and how they relate to fascism.
Communism, capitalism, fascism, socialism - understand the differences yet? Of course not.
" Somebody yet more intelligent still might do some research into.... -bdf2718
Like who? You?
I'm fully aware of the "Fasc" aspect of the words. I simply don't except your inoculated from reality correlation.
You do realize the Great Seal Of the United States was created on June 20 1782? That would be a full 137 years before Mussolini decided to adopt fasces as his party symbol.
Overlooking your piss poor interpretation of reality & insults to my intelligence, what's your point?
Yay! You did some research. You now understand that the US using the fasces as an icon and Mussolini using the fasces as an icon does not necessarily make the US, then or now, fascist.
The next step in your education will be to understand what fascism really means. I see below that you have tried, but failed, in that regard.
1. A system of government marked by centralized authority, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through censorship, and often a policy of racism.
Nuh-huh! Just about any dictatorship of any form exhibits the characteristics you mention in point 1. That definition applies equally to communism.
The defining characteristic of fascism is that it is coporatist - the government is controlled by big business. And while it is true that many democrats are controlled by big business, many more republicans are controlled by big business.
Oh, and the media is controlled by the right, not the left.
If the defining factor of fascsim is that it is coporatist, then there's no defining factor, as coporatist doesn't exist in the english language. I know, i know, you purposely misspelled corporatist to teach ME to spell right?
doesn't make your aformentioned mythology any less mythical. Nor is it cogent rebuttal
Regardless, your contrivances are as amusing as your attempts to distract with semantic trivialities. American "big business" is being "controlled" by government, not the other way around. GM didn't storm into Barrama's office telling him HE's fired. Unfortunately. Quite the opposite occured.
Please. Continue with your ridiculousness, it's entertaining.
If, as you say, big business is controlled by government, that makes it communism, not fascism.
Not that there's any real difference between them, except in the fairy tale told to the masses. But even so, those of us who understand the distinction think you're a fucktard.
Perhaps your ignorance is genuine. Regardless, the term Liberal Fascism was that coined by a LIBERAL, as a self-title. Fascists were rather well regarded by Liberals up until the Western European type showed their fangs. Mussolini had a lot of love for FDR.
Communist, Labor, Fascist, Anarchist, Green, Progressive; all are merely disparate tribes of socialist sects; all are big government totalitarians whose ideology is so repugnant that their only way to get their way is by government force.
Prescott Bush, grandfather of 43, attempted a fascist coup in the US. Oh, let me think, who was the fascist coup against? Oh yeah, FDR (whom you say Mussolini loved).
What made Prescott Bush's SUPPOSED coup, Fascist? What would it have had to do with mussolini?
Since FDR's policies included the collusion of business & government (Fascism) That means it was Fascist.
FDR sent his (Mussolini's) ambassador- Breckingridge Long, a letter regarding "that admirable Italian gentleman," saying that Mussolini "is really interested in what we are doing, and i am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished."
Because "fascist" is term that is commonly used to embrace the philosophies of both Mussolini and Hitler. Because Prescott aided the Nazi war machine even after the US entered WW II and earned the nickname "Hitler's angel."
Prescott was a fascist. As were his son and grandson.
Democrats have a rich history of hiding their fascism by claiming ownership of a happy-sounding noun, making it their pronoun, and then advocating for policies and engaging in tactics that are the exact opposite of the whatever the noun defines.
Liberal
Democratic
Progressive
Environmentalist
Modern Liberalism is the polar opposite of the classical sort. (Conservatism)
nauseating- dummicraps versus recrinkleskins- we will kick you all to death at the thrashing feet of the 9/11 treasoners you worship you worthless sack-of-shit doggy-fuckers and may Christ throw all your stupid vile perfumed kids in hell
You do a lot of complaining without ever forming any meaningful point.
Try this: Educate yourself before posting. Then, if you disagree with one of MY posts, do attempt an argument rather than decree. I'm not getting paid to educate you.
Wow! You mean the democrats are paying more than the republicans to the media yet get shafted continually? They must be really dumb fucks to keep paying when the media distorts reality to make the republicans look good and the democrats look bad.
Two words for you: Fox News.
Hint: how many republicans in sex scandals have been labelled D rather than R by Fox in the past year?
The US Republican and Democratic parties are to the right of the UK's Conservative party. "New Labour" is Conservative Party Lite. The only large left-wing party the UK still has is the Liberal Democrats, and they're only left-wing because the other major parties are to the right of them.
With regards to where my nose belongs... Your moronic chimp made my moronic poodle enter into an illegal war.
" Because Prescott aided the Nazi war machine even after the US entered WW II "
This is widely peddled smear portrayed by the conspiritorial left in an attempt to smear their fascist stink on the opposition
While it's true Prescott Bush invested in German companies your liberal myth fails to acknowledge the fact that it was Averell Harriman, FDR's ambassador to moscow, and Truman's commerce secretary who initiated these investments.
"they wouldn't be Liberals if they had the capacity to learn. "
I am sorry but you mean "they wouldn't be Republicans if they had the capacity to learn." Because ever since the election all we see is the GOP trying again and again the same nonsense with increasing histeria while the party selfdestructs around them.
You still didn't deal with the basic truth that Junior gave more breaks to Mega Corps... than to "We the People..." So technically he was a Social Welfare For Mega Corps President.
I agree that our taxes should represent the Majority... But since when are The Mega Corps (in your words) "People?"
" I agree that our taxes should represent the Majority... " - leesagrrl
Who are you agreeing with?
To assume I agree with the concept of Stealing from people (tax withholding) at all just shows your extreme ignorance.
PEOPLE own various corporation's that make up your fictional business conglomerate, and if there stolen from, It's considered Fascist. What's more it's a direct violation of 5th amendment to the constitution ( you know, that thing you Liberal's treat like toilet paper? )
Dd I say I agree with you? I said I agree with the concept. Too hard to fathom? Or is it just another example of your Megalomania?
People who are self employed have very different Rights compared to Corps. For example: Corps have a right of Personhood that actually makes them more Persons under the law, than actual Persons.
If a Corp loses money for 3 years, no prob. But if an individual loses money for three years they call his work a Hobby. A Corp can deduct those loses.
Liberal's depictions of "megacorps" show them as evil, driven purely by a desire for profit, without thought for morals. What they fail to realize is that they employ a large majority of the American population, which in turn powers the economic engine of America. When government seizes more of their wealth it harms not only employment, but their profitability as well since people generally consume less of a good or service if there's a price increase due to the tax increase.
Any Corp that is Publicly Offered has to, by law, make a profit for the Share Holders or suffer the legal consequences. Their Mission statement has to be in accord with that idea... and that idea, by definition, is a sociopathy.
A Fascist is someone who envisions perpetual warfare between nations or races, extols virtues like strength, beauty and attaches those attributes to race (eugenics, get rid of the weak and disabled, etc), is obsessed with violence, is obsessed with efficiency (in common usage a tough boss is a "nazi" for instance) and antisemitic. Economically, the fascists were neither capitalists or communists but proposed a "middle path" that sought to turn industries into efficient arms of the state.
Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the body politic and longs for national leader (B.O)attuned to the will of the people. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of human life (DEMS) including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through REGULATION and social pressure.
The longing for a national leader isn't fascistic. Don't conservatives long for someone like Reagan all the time? Reaganism is more of a cult complete with the worship of "great leader" (a dead one like Kim Il Sung) and pledges of allegiance to him and his philosophy. Dems don't claim to take responsibility for all aspects of human life. We don't seek to tell people whom they can and cannot marry like you do, etc. My definition is closer to the accepted political definition of fascism.
Huh? Why don't you rebut my accurate definition of fascism and give real historical correlations between the fascistic movements in Europe (Italy, Germany, Romania, etc) and modern American liberalism then. Ultra-nationalism, racism, perpetual warfare between races and nations, obsession with efficiency, corporatism, etc are closer to Paleo-conservatism (Pat Buchanan, America first movement), Michael Savage, etc, than modern liberalism.
I'm sorry. I don't have time to write you a report lol! Your "accurate" definition of fascism is just your own very jaded opinion; probably the product of liberal indoctrination, maybe you should consider rereading Jonah Goldberg's book again, it'll answer your question's. Another good read is "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Shlaes.
Fascism is RIGHT-wing socialism, NOT conservatism, or Classical Liberalism.
Just like Communism is LEFT-wing socialism, & NOT Modern american liberalism.
I've read Goldberg's book which is why I know exactly where he's wrong. My definition of fascism is not my "jaded" opinion or a product of "liberal' indoctrination. I wonder how "liberal universities" indoctrinate engineering students considering the fact that we don't take any liberal arts/ history courses. My definition is based on the list of books and sources I gave you and is considered by trained historians and political scientists alike to be a valid one.
To sum up this debate. If i may, you asked me by what/who's analysis is Liberalism Fascism. I listed several very specific legitmate facet's of Liber-Fascism, and you passed it off as mere acronyms devoid of substance without history attached, all the while your attempt at smearing your fascist stench on Conservatives based on My PERSONAL opinion on fag Marriage, Judeo-christian values (set forth at the countries founding), and a mile long diatribe of some books you sopposedly read. ->
Yes, it is devoid of substance. I could bring up a list of organizations and think tanks and link them as a part of a conservative-fascist conspiracy and tie them with war-profiteering, etc. Any 10 yr old can do that and that doesn't prove your point. If supporting government organizations makes someone a fascist then most countries in Europe are fascistic. If you don't study the history of fascism in Europe, the Mid East, etc, you'll make the same mistake.
Mentioning a bunch of disconnected, objectively different groups and tying them up to some mythical fascist conspiracy is stupid. And using language like "Fag marriage" and Judeo-Christian values etc, has convinced me that you get your education from Savage, townhall, hotair, pajamasmedia, etc. I could go on for ages slicing and dicing every word on those sites as being either misleading or just plain incorrect, but I have better things to do..like reading BOOKS. Something you should try doing.
Who were the members of the America first movement who wanted to prevent the US from entering the second world war? Gerald Ford- Republican, a bunch of industrialists (owner of sears, etc), Americans of German descent and Charles Lindbergh. Pat Buchanan still fondly remembers them and most Commies and leftists accused them of being a front for the Nazis. There's no fucking connection between those people, pacifists and modern liberals who wanted to stay out of Iraq.
->All the while, muddling many ideas to favor the basic ideology of modern Liberalism -- the polar opposite of classical Liberalism.
Aside from lacking any veracity, your incredulity also fails to acknowledge that the term, Liberal Fascism, was created by one of their own of that era. - H.G Wells
Listen Mr. Wannabe lawyer. Reading ONE book makes you a historical authority on JACKSHIT. If you had even a speck of intellectual integrity or honesty you'd read every comment, UNDERSTAND it and it's context and debate it in a scholarly fashion instead of denying the work of SCHOLARS and experts as being a part of a mythical LEFT WING INDOCTRINATION process. I suggest you take a course or two in international relations, political theory and history before you confuse terms even a 10 yr old knows
Ever heard Neal Boortz talk about welfare moms and section 8 housing seekers as parasites and leeches who shouldn't be allowed to vote? Ever heard of some right wingers talk about muslims as rats and vermin and about dropping bombs and killing 100 million of them (Savage)? Ever heard of people on Gordon Liddy's show calling illegal immigrants critters?
Compare such dehumanization with the Nazi portrayal of Jews and then talk. You'll know who the modern day fascists are then.
Oh, and Neal Boortz is right. If one does not have the capability of taking personal responsibility for there own life, then why should they be considered capable of forming any intelligent thoughts directed toward voting appropriatel?, Nope instead they vote for whoever gives them the most "stuff"- thus leeches, and PARASITES.
Parasite - One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return. - Merriam Webster
It's been barely over 200 days since Obama was elected and several liberals have already criticized him on several issues. Cenk, Maher, Schultz, to name a few. Many American leftists (not liberals) have even compared him to Bush...In the recent GOP head nomination election, GOP presidential nomination debates, etc EVERY single candidate pledged allegiance to Reagan without even a hint of criticism (Iran-Contra, etc). That seems like more of a cult than anything I've seen...
Fascism: A very short introduction by Kevin Passmore.
The Routeledge companion to fascism and the far right.
The age of extremes and other books by Eric Hobsbawm.
Italian fascism 1915-1945 by Philip Morgan.
And, lots of other books I've read about nazi Germany by several historians- Tory and Marxist. By all scholarly metrics, Liberal fascism is a very poor book about fascism and contemporary liberalism.
Merely listing a bunch of books you sopposedly read doesn't make your argument of Fascism any more correct, anybody can claim to have read any book, it doesn't mean anything. Further it insinuate Goldberg's book is a "very poor book ."
Need a line from any page in the book? let me know. Have you even read the Amazon reviews of these books and looked at the CV's of the Authors? Anti-Intellectualism and a complete disregard for scholarship and historical research is what makes your side so completely devoid of any shred of credibility. You listed some organizations and called them FASCIST, you said that the desire for a national leader made someone a fascist. Say this in any conference and you'll be laughed out of the room!
BTW, I didn't vote for Obama and didn't even watch the inauguration, but I have to defend liberals and Obama supporters from the over-the-top, historically and factually inaccurate attacks by the right wing.
In order to assert that the new deal was the opposite of fascism-rather than a kindred phenomenom-Liberal intellectuals had to create an enormous straw man out of the modern conservative movement. It was easy since right-wing was considered anti-roosevelt, it didn't take much effort to conflate the american right with nazism, and fascism.
Thus for example liberals portray american "isolationism" as a distinctly conservative tradition. when it was originaly a "Liberal" or "progressive" one.
There is a DIRECT line between the isolationists and the America first movement and Paelo-conservatism. They were obsessed with white christian men, were fascist sympathizers, called the New deal the JEW DEAL and were in favor of privileges for the white working class, etc. Does that sound familiar? And still supports them? Ans- Pat Buchanan and you can see shades of that talk on Savage's show. Are they liberals? Hardly. Goldberg makes the same fucking mistake.
"Everything including the economy, and religion must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity (CONSERVATIVES) is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy. I will argue that contemporary American liberalism embodies all of these aspects of fascism." - Jonah Goldberg
If federal institutions like Fannie mae make a nation fascistic then by that definition England (NHS, Housing Estates, etc) and most countries in Europe are fascistic. Again, you're confusing liberalism, socialism, conservatism, libertarianism and fascism. Modern liberalism is part classical liberalism ,part democratic socialism and has nothing to do with fascism. Jonah Goldberg's book is complete with such historical and political sleights of hand and isn't scholarly by any metric.
"Nazi" Is German for National SOCIALISM, not for "tough boss", nor is it anti semitic, Hitler was anti-semitic.
"proposed a "middle path" that sought to turn industries into efficient arms of the state."-yamuboy
Exactly, who, or what administration's does that sound reminiscent of? Woodrow Wilson demanded that individual's lose the sense of personal achievement in favor of the state, FDR had the "new deal", Obama has the "stimulus package" all meant to increase the role of government.
And all this time as I've mentioned in my comments, which you didn't bother fucking reading, leftists formed brigades to fight the fascists in Spain. Get your history right before you debate shit man.
Fascists, especially the Nazis successfully scapegoated the Jews as responsible for both the excesses of capitalism and communism or Bolshevism as they called it. Their greatest enemies were the communists and while German and Italian industry owners got away relatively easy, the first people to be jailed and killed were the commies! Remember Gramsci? How can someone be both a leftist and fascist is beyond me....
It is a stupid argument. Imbecilic even... Remember that in the animal farm the pigs always threatened the other animals by saying that they'd let the owners (humans/capitalists) back in and Orwell always called himself a democratic socialist. The first people who formed brigades to fight Franco in Spain were leftists and anarchists (including Orwell) while a lot of America first people (including lindbergh) wanted to keep America out and many Tories were fascist sympathizers...
Liberals ALWAYS resort to Ad Hominem, when there politics are questioned in the least. -Typical
The point of asking the the question is to prove my point that you and your ilk have no concept of meaningful debate. Insults and incredulity is your version of a cogent rebuttal.
That middle paragragh, yeah that one...that was my argument & it IS addressing the substance of the argument. there's nothing hypocritical or ad hominem about that. genius
Cenk is at best a free market, social liberal, like most "liberals" in the US. There is nothing fascistic about them. Anyone who has even the most basic grasp of politics, international relations and history knows that. And since when did owning a stake in 0.22% of American private industry qualify someone as a fascist (GM, etc)? Liberal/ socialist/ communist/ Marxist, etc don't mean the same thing. Stop paraphrasing "liberal fascism" before you quote and get a library membership instead.
lol sarah palin i had a good laugh at this, palin is a dumbass no doubt there, i mean really i watched her interviews and was scared she could be our president, last thing we need is someone as stupid as bush in office
Actually Palin is the DUMBEST top politician out there now. Oh yes my friend, dumber than Michelle Bachman. There was no "gotcha" questions in interviews. Like what supreme court decision do you disagree with.... How can u not think of one? What newspaper do you read... She says nothing. Because that is what is in Sarah Palin's head.. NOTHING.... AIR, She is an AIRHEAD BIMBO and she will NEVERRRRR EVERRRRR be President
I can think of several statements biden has made that can only at best be considered stupid. repeating the ad hominem leftist mantra's are unimpressive, and stale, and i'm frankly tired of debating such idiocies.
With 99% of the media being liberal, who can blame her for her lack of patronage.
having a debate with you is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. but thats okay,i have empathy for the mentally handicapped so i will entertain your sophomoric tantrums a while longer.
No monkeyman none of that tripe you mistyped makes any sense. You really are a fool. You think you're having a debate do you, well what's the topic then? What's your point? No hold on because I couldn't give a fuck.
I thought the "battle of wits with an unarmed person" was the best of your fuck ups, you really have brought a knife to a gunfight slappy.
You are a frightened little man and your opinion counts for absolutely nothing. You are a living joke. You use words which you don't understand and you lump everything which frightens you into liberal-fascist which doesn't mean anything. Your pathetic whimpering is incoherent and without any substance. That's why everyone is laughing in your bovine face.
I pity you, living in fear of everything, you delusional cretin.
More incoherent rambling from an Ad Hominem liberal. When will you retard's learn your vapid decrees are NOT impressive. My "bovine face"? How is this a rebuttal in ANY way? Your ignorance far exceeds ANY supposed "delusion" i may have shown.
You saying Liberal-Fascism doesn't mean anything is "pathetic", and just shows your extreme ignorance on the subject.
Democrats are the good guys! It is the republicans who block everything so that the United States of America can move ahead!
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All political parties are bullshit.
Theresa968 1 year ago
ya`ll guys know, the democrats invented the kkk.
keybladeblastcalibur 1 year ago
@keybladeblastcalibur
That was when Republicans were liberals and democrats were conservatives.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
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True. They even had Strom Thurman in their party during the Civil Rights movement.
However when the Democrats sided with the Civil Rights protesters and denounced, Strom and the rest of the "Dixiecrats" figured that the Democratic party just wasn't for them anymore.
So they jumped ship and joined....the Republican party.
But yes, they were part of the Democrats, and Conservative Democrats persist today.
That's why I don't credit "Democrats", I credit "Progressives."
Titan360 1 year ago
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How You Can Turn Democrats into Good Guys? Shoot them all in the head in public. and if they are lucy they can use canada's health care system to fix them right up.
kd5icr1967 2 years ago
amerikaners are turds...
0n3m4n4rm33 2 years ago
and with such a snappy reply like this what would you be? I know a dick eating bitch.
kd5icr1967 2 years ago
You're clever.
Enjoy your fate...
0n3m4n4rm33 2 years ago
And????? My fate is what??????
You call amaricans turds so your point is what ? I will never be afraid of dick washers like you.
kd5icr1967 2 years ago
I'm not your problem, you closet homosexual. But be sure to get your affairs in order...
0n3m4n4rm33 2 years ago
blaa blaaa blaa.
kd5icr1967 2 years ago
-> If you understand the right-wing or conservative position to be that of those who argue for free markets, competition, property rights, and the other political values inscribed in the original intent of the American founding fathers, then big business in Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, & New Deal America was NOT right-wing; it was left-wing, & it was fascistic. What's more, it still is. "
- Jonah Goldberg - Liberal Fascism
duvalians1 2 years ago
" It's fine to say that incestuous relationships between corporations & government are fascistic. The problem comes when you claim that such arrangements are inherently right-wing. If the collusion of big business & government are right-wing, then FDR was a right-winger. If corporatism & propagandistic militarism are fascist, then Woodrow Wilson was a fascist & so were the New Dealers. ->
duvalians1 2 years ago
wow what a boring fuck
theotherrobert 2 years ago
Vice President Joe Biden ran around the country earlier this month claiming Obamas stimulus has already created 150,000 jobs around the country. Talk about making stuff up.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Anyway, I'm done. Good luck with law school and hope you put that to good use...i.e. you use that degree to protect civil liberties and not to write torture memos or increase executive power (giving the president more powers than ever before- dictatorial).
yamuboy 2 years ago
Your endless demonstrations of your extensive ignorance, even of some of the most well known political dynamics and events of our era, continues to impress. You're so steeped in leftist mysticism that you must be completely unaware of how thoroughly it has filled your mind.
Oh yes brother, there's been Liberal indoctrination, and alot of it. "Devoid of credibility" -Because of a gross misinterpretation of some books you read, and because of some things "talk show host''s" said? ->
duvalians1 2 years ago
-> are you kidding me? I've never even listened to "savage", or any of the other's.
You liberals are acutely aware of just how corrosive your politics are to humanity, so you try propping up your gibberish with credentials. I.E (Gross interpretation of "books", Talk show host's comment's, unintelligible comparison's, lie's etc.) Credentials bestowed by other devout Liberals too, of course. The breadth of your ignorance and lies far exceed my interest in debunking every single one of them.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Perhaps your ignorance is genuine, but those who've trained you to reject reality should be executed for treason. - How about that for Fascism?
Leftist Mysticism - FAIL
duvalians1 2 years ago
What the deal with youtube and the Scientology ads?
thundavolt 2 years ago
allowing companies and industries to give money to politicians? it's forbidden in most european countries - for a good reason. the US campaing fund-raising system strikes me as so contrary to common sense that I find it hard to understand how any sane person could ever find it reasonable...
plokowitsch 2 years ago 2
GOOD This is how democracy can work.
ebertnroeper 2 years ago
DR RON PAUL 2012 rEVOLution
legacy6684 2 years ago
keep it up adam. hopefully it will catch fire.
it is not a left vs. right issue
it is a big business vs. our economic system issue.
there just happens to be WAY more republicans "on the take" which is why i consider myself a democrat.
being a libertarian (or whatever) is kind of non-sensical considering the reality of our current political landscape.
the solution is easy:
get big-business lobbyist out of our government. and let our elected officials actually do what is best
jarmtx 2 years ago
how this argument got onto Fascism, I have no idea, but if you look at US history, it's very easy to see who, and not just one political party, pushed for more regulation, and on the opposite, deregulation (1970s-present). it all goes back to who is giving whom money. that is one of the most ancient laws of politics. follow the paper trail. don't be fooled by any of these fuckers, and realize that the only way things change is when the people want them to. we have more power than we realize.
thecellarlife 2 years ago
Clinton and the republicans who pushed the final "nail in the coffin", were in 1999 with the Glass Steagall Act repealed under his administration, which is one of the main reasons the credit industry has abused it's customers, leading to our economic downfall now. It started with Nixon, through Ford, and Reagan, but it wasn't just republicans. It was the whole political system that drove us to the point we are at now. It has ALL to do with special interests, which this group is fighting against.
thecellarlife 2 years ago
thecellarlife:
I agree 100%
leesagrrl 2 years ago
I will continue to speak out against 0bama, his cult, and his lamestream media.
donottake 2 years ago
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The DEMS are NOT the good guys. The TRUE Conservatives (NOT neocons) are the REAL GOOD GUYS! Sarah Palin is the GOODEST of GOOD GUYS for she is GOD's CHOSEN ONE, GOD INCARNATE and the LIVING EMBODIMENT OF GOD HERSELF and will be America's GREATEST POTUS!
ecwaufisxtreme 2 years ago
Sarah Palin is a Neo-Con. FAIL
AmishMarine1 2 years ago 3
What distinguishes a neo con from a regular con? Not one liberal can tell me, instead they spew vapid decrees, that are NEVER grounded in reality. Typical of the liberal-fascist left.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Neo cons are more radical than a regular con. They tend to have more intense views extremely far to the "right". Mind you that the current democrats are the republicans of lincoln's time and the republicans are the democrats of his time, as well. The parties have completely switched over time.
adarkenedmind 2 years ago
What are these "radical, and intense" views? If you don't mind elaborating, because imthebotha's example's seem a little skewed.
Probably due to the mental disorder called Modern-american-liberalism, opposite of the classical sort.
duvalians1 2 years ago
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iamtheboha 2 years ago
Since when has prostitution, using drugs, or gay marriage been considered a "personal freedom"? I've never seen these things in the constitution. Last I checked the constitution ONLY protects your rights to life, liberty, and property as outlined by the LAW. I believe the people of this country, for the most part anyway, say the LAW is: we don't want drug addict's, homo marriage, or disease infested whores running around.
The fact that you can't grasp this concept is irrelevant.
duvalians1 2 years ago
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iamtheboha 2 years ago
The Constitution doesn't mention drugs or prostitution because it didn't occur to them that these freedoms needed protecting. The country existed for a hundred years before most people seriously considered the idea of outlawing such things. It was the proto-Fascist Progressive movement of the late Nineteenth Century that first pushed for drug and prostitution laws, mainly for racist reasons.
kittyprydekissme 2 years ago
Exactly, But since there has never been an amendment preventing/allowing such things, no "personal freedom" has been allocated - only LAWS preventing. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
duvalians1 2 years ago
The Ninth Amendment states states that additional rights exist which are not enumerated in the Constitution, and the Tenth Amendment states that powers not granted to Congress are reserved for the States or the People. So Federal drug laws do violate freedom since the Constitution never gave the Feds authority over such things. Whether State drug and prostitution laws are an abridgement of Constitutional rights is uncertain. (Although certain features of those laws clearly are.)
kittyprydekissme 2 years ago
"the Tenth Amendment states that powers not granted to Congress are reserved for the States or the People."
- And the people have agreed, that these things are indeed AGAINST the law.
duvalians1 2 years ago
The constitution and bill of rights were envisioned by the founders as a safeguard against a dictator/tyrant/king. After all, freedom of speech, press, etc, are the first rights that a tyrant would squash. The founders would have been in favor of two individuals marrying, having sex, etc WITHOUT the state getting involved and DENYING individuals the right to do exactly that. The fact that you want to DENY people they right to marry the individual they love reveals the fascist within you.
yamuboy 2 years ago 2
Gay marriage isn't a personal freedom? Ha!
And It'd be safe to say that in the 1950's and 60's, most Americans weren't in favor of miscegenation, so perhaps it was wrong to get rid of the anti-miscegenation laws in most states. You're a law student!? Have you even read any of the opinions in important cases like pace vs. Alabama, etc. Have you even paid attention to the 14th amendment based argument for the legalization of same- sex marriage?
yamuboy 2 years ago 2
I dont have time to answer every one of your comments but i will say this; The notion that anti-miscegenation laws being overturned are a precursor, or should be concidered equivalent to Fag's rights is absurd. The fact that they were both banned at one time is the only correlation, and not a significant one.
In this case, apple's are not banana's
duvalians1 2 years ago
"An equivalent to a fag's right" Ha! You're digging yourself into a deeper hole Mr. Law student. I bet that if we had a discussion, face to face, I'd lay bare the little fascist within you in no time. And heck I'm not even a student of law or history but an engineering grad student.
yamuboy 2 years ago 2
yamuboy:
Re duvalians:
I agree that it's very hard to take someone serious when their comments are full of inane Ignorant Anti-Gay Civil Rights Bigotry... even if they are a Pompous Blowhard with delusions of salient Intellect and Superiority.
leesagrrl 2 years ago
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so i guess the 70% of blacks that voted for prop 8 are neo-cons huh?
jhamm999 2 years ago
jhamm999:
Nope... Just Ignorant of the idea of Civil Rights that are Virtually the same as the ones they had to fight for.
leesagrrlgrrl 2 years ago
and where in the constitution does it say marriage is a right?. gay or straight.
jhamm999 2 years ago
jhamm99:
Boy, that's seriously one of the stupidest comments I've ever read. The Constitution doesn't really state any Civil Rights... but The Bill of Rights does. Have a read.
... and where in the Constitution does it say the Christians OWN the concept of Marriage?
leesagrrl 2 years ago
nowhere that is my point idiot. it is a states rights issue. if one state wishes to recognize it they can. if another doesnt thats fine. maybe you need a refresher course there perry mason.
jhamm999 2 years ago
jhamm999:
I answered your insipid point. Remember, you are the idiot that asked: "...where in the constitution does it say marriage is a right?"
And Civil Rights are Fed... not State. You can't have a Slave anywhere in this country.
leesagrrl 2 years ago
Unfortunately anything that is a states rights issue ceases to be the moment the GOP opposses it. Then it is a national issue and they will trample on anybody's rights to carry out their agenda.
xhagast 2 years ago
You have no idea what the words you use mean. You hyphenate liberal with fascist showingyou have no idea what the words mean. You shouldn't write about it if you don't even know what they mean. You fucking imbecile.
nilbud 2 years ago 2
Liberalism is fascism, by analysis. There's nothing "Imbecilic" about this. Further You shouldn't be writing at all by your metric.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Analysis? What analysis? Outside the US, liberals are people who are socially liberal and support free market policies. Is that your definition of liberal? How is that fascist?
yamuboy 2 years ago 5
I mean Modern american liberalism, not the classical kind (conservatism).
Modern Liberalism is stuffed full of fascism, from Fannie May to the more recent drive to federally enforce their theology of magical molecules and its prophesy of Thermal Armageddon.
duvalians1 2 years ago
You wanna see fascism look at all the racist people at the McCain'Palin rallies. Look at conservatives telling us who we can marry, what religion to teach in our schools, and that we cant take the nessacary steps to heal our planets global warming. Hannity, Beck, O' riely, Coulter, Limbaugh, Palin ect ect those are your fascists. Palin even wants to tell us who "the real Americans" are. What sould we do with the "non-real" Americans Palin? A concentration camp perhaps? Throw in a little torture?
IndiMusicLover 2 years ago 3
What are you talking about, Liberalism, and fascism walk hand in hand, that fact isn't dependent on my posts, or the time I'm willing to spend educating you on the topic, or your stubborn ignorance thereof.
It's Etc. not "Ect."
duvalians1 2 years ago
Classical liberalism was associated with Adam Smith, David Hume etc. People who were socially liberal and believed in the free markets. Most modern American liberals believe just that. Conservatives believe in the philosophy of Edmund Burke and the whole Liberal vs. conservative debate dates back to the opposition to the French revolution and the Paine vs. Burke debates. Modern conservatism is part Burke, part Rand and part Pat Robertson+ Jerry Falwell.
yamuboy 2 years ago 2
"Most modern American liberals believe just that" - Regarding free markets
Yeah i believe that one for sure.
duvalians1 2 years ago
If federal institutions like Fannie mae make a nation fascistic then by that definition England (NHS, Housing Estates, etc) and most countries in Europe are fascistic. Again, you're confusing liberalism, socialism, conservatism, libertarianism and fascism. Modern liberalism is part classical liberalism ,part democratic socialism and has nothing to do with fascism. Jonah Goldberg's book is complete with such historical and political sleights of hand and isn't scholarly by any metric.
yamuboy 2 years ago
duvalians1 2 years ago
Throwing a bunch of acronyms and acts, devoid of their history or context doesn't prove anything. BTW Acorn is a NGO, the CRI was passed in 1977 to prevent redlining and discrimination against black lenders in certain neighborhoods, Labor price fixing cartels have nothing to do with the commodity markets and labor laws, the patriot employer act prevents tax fraud and the existence of tax havens in Bermuda, Hate crime laws are a federal civil rights issue, etc. Nothing to do with fascism...
yamuboy 2 years ago
That oaf duvalians is clearly demented, he's so terrified of "the enemy" that his mind has snapped. It's just in it's way that his own cowardice terrifies him so much he lost what was left of his mind. He has rewritten the dictionary in line with what his masters on FOX have told him. Hopefully he'll blow his own head off instead of doing a McVeigh.
nilbud 2 years ago
The Fascistic history of my provided "acronyms speak for themselves, if you dont understand their significance thats your problem not mine.
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1:
Fascism is: "a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology."
Junior Bush was the biggest enabler of the Mega Corps of this Country ever. He gave more tax breaks to the Mega Corps than any President.
Get a grip, noodlehead.
leesagrrl 2 years ago
Yours is a comment that screams block me, but i dont think i will, nope your going to have to beg me to now.
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1:
I think it's funny that when someone points out and proves your arrogant ignorance, you don't comment on that particular issue any more - you just go all non sequitur and start acting all high and mighty. Pretty hysterical in and of itself.
It's also pretty hysterical that you'll type a sentence about your use of said acronyms, but you won't define them. Kinda loopy.
Yours is a comment that screams "I'm a Kool Aid sucking Republican apologist."
Oh please block me, sir.
leesagrrl 2 years ago
I find it amusing how you simultaneously, incoherently spew YOUR ignorance, misinterpreting A WIKEPEDIA definition, and have the nerve to label ME ignorant.
Your dictionary sophistry fails miserably. Liberalism is in perfect agreemement with socialism, this isn't changed by you saying it's not.
Your request to be blocked has been denied. indefinitely.
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1/Ignorant Idiot:
I guess you really take a lot of pride in that little thesaurus of yours. Read the dictionary instead. It's full of "Definitions" rather than lofty bullshat.
I didn't "misrepresent" anything. I cut and pasted it. And then all you had was your blithering Faux Indignance.
And... It's "Wikipedia..." Oh great Master of Useless Words.
And I find it "amusing" that you have such a high opinion of your convoluted misinformed arrogantly Ignorant self.
leesagrrlgrrl 2 years ago
duvalians1:
And just what did I do "Simultaneously?" As Inigo might say: "I do not think it means what you think it means."
xo
leesagrrlgrrl 2 years ago
I guess i shouldn't have expected a Liberal to comprehend the meaning of "simultaneous",especially considering you're one who misinterprets various WikEpedia definitions.
The simultaneous aspect of your former statements is/was Ignorant, also at the same time-(SIMULTANEOUSLY) you vapidly denounced me as ignorant.
The truth of Fascism is more than "lofty bullshat"-whatever that is? instead of spewing mindless decrees how about try logic, reason, and/or lesson's of history.
duvalians1 2 years ago
You still didn't answer my question. What's Fascistic about allowing people to keep more of there OWN money?
As usual, Liberal's resort to mindless gibberish instead of addressing the issue's. It just supports the fact that their politics are indefensible.
Liberal's and Ad Hominem - Life Partner's
duvalians1 2 years ago
actually, the newtype republicans are closer to socialism then anything.
zombiekiller2045 2 years ago
baseless decrees arent a rebuttal. entertaining though.
duvalians1 2 years ago
funny, since that's what your doing.
zombiekiller2045 2 years ago
Barramabot's are "sucking Kool-Aid" by the truck load.
-"Patriot Employer Act" punishes those who don't submit to labor price fixing cartels. Liberal-Fascism
-Community Reinvestment Act criminalizes sound lending practices & sponsors Socialist race hustlers like ACORN to enforce their fascist edicts.- Liberal-Fascism
Whats "kind of loopy" is your mind not being able to comprehend that Fascism is social & economical Despotism, not Conservatism, or Classical Liberalism.
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1:
I refer to the Republican Politicians of this Generation who goose-stepped in lock-step with Junior and all his kissing of Corporate asses in terms of Tax Breaks. That is by most definitions, "Fascism." It is the pure and simple conflation of State and Corporations.
All you got is pseudo-intellectual Talking Points and rhetoric.
leesagrrl 2 years ago
Your version of what's fascistic is almost as amusing as the pride and gaiety you demonstrate in attempting to reject logic, reason, common sense, and history.
No matter how many times in how many ways their gibberish is debunked, the devout Liberal fascist will just recite their mythologies over and over and over yet again.
Then again, they wouldn't be Liberals if they had the capacity to learn.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Hey dude, look at the fasces on the dollar bill.
Come back to me if you ever understand the differences between fascism, capitalism, socialism and communism.
Hell, I'll make it easy for you. Come back to me if you can find your arse using both hands and a map.
bdf2718 2 years ago
what does the faces on an inanimate object have to do with Fascism?
Yet more inanane bullshit from a retarded liberal.
duvalians1 2 years ago
You're an idiot. Contemplate the difference between "fasces" (what I wrote) and "faces" (what you wrote). One day, perhaps, you'll graduate from being a fuckwit who cannot read or spell to an idiot who cannot look things up in google.
bdf2718 2 years ago
Ok i'll rephrase the question. What does fasces on an inanimate object have to do with AMERICAN Liberal-Fascism? Please enlighten me oh great knowledgeable one
"Hey dude" are hot dogs and guitar strings mainly thrown by criminals on sunday? (do attempt lucidity)
duvalians1 2 years ago
You have improved, just a little. You can now correctly spell "fasces."
Somebody more intelligent than you (around 99% of the world's population) might wonder if "fasces" and "fascism" share a common root because they both start with "fasc."
Somebody yet more intelligent still (around 50% of the world's population) might do some research into what fasces actually are and how they relate to fascism.
Communism, capitalism, fascism, socialism - understand the differences yet? Of course not.
bdf2718 2 years ago
" Somebody yet more intelligent still might do some research into.... -bdf2718
Like who? You?
I'm fully aware of the "Fasc" aspect of the words. I simply don't except your inoculated from reality correlation.
You do realize the Great Seal Of the United States was created on June 20 1782? That would be a full 137 years before Mussolini decided to adopt fasces as his party symbol.
Overlooking your piss poor interpretation of reality & insults to my intelligence, what's your point?
duvalians1 2 years ago
Yay! You did some research. You now understand that the US using the fasces as an icon and Mussolini using the fasces as an icon does not necessarily make the US, then or now, fascist.
The next step in your education will be to understand what fascism really means. I see below that you have tried, but failed, in that regard.
bdf2718 2 years ago
You know what else "shares a common root?"
bdf-as in-bdf2718, and the first letters in the sentence:
(b)ig (d)umb (f)uck.
Yep. Anyone can see THIS correlation. LOL!
duvalians1 2 years ago
Fascism [fash-ism]
-noun
1. A system of government marked by centralized authority, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through censorship, and often a policy of racism.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
E.g., 99%-Democrat media, nationalize industries (medicine, mortgages, auto, ...), labor price-fixing cartels, "Fairness Doctrine", fetal death penalty, "Protected" & unprotected "Classes", "Affirmative" racism.
Democrats & Fascism -- LifePartners
duvalians1 2 years ago
Nuh-huh! Just about any dictatorship of any form exhibits the characteristics you mention in point 1. That definition applies equally to communism.
The defining characteristic of fascism is that it is coporatist - the government is controlled by big business. And while it is true that many democrats are controlled by big business, many more republicans are controlled by big business.
Oh, and the media is controlled by the right, not the left.
You are an ignorant fucktard.
bdf2718 2 years ago
If the defining factor of fascsim is that it is coporatist, then there's no defining factor, as coporatist doesn't exist in the english language. I know, i know, you purposely misspelled corporatist to teach ME to spell right?
duvalians1 2 years ago
" You are an ignorant fucktard."
doesn't make your aformentioned mythology any less mythical. Nor is it cogent rebuttal
Regardless, your contrivances are as amusing as your attempts to distract with semantic trivialities. American "big business" is being "controlled" by government, not the other way around. GM didn't storm into Barrama's office telling him HE's fired. Unfortunately. Quite the opposite occured.
Please. Continue with your ridiculousness, it's entertaining.
duvalians1 2 years ago
If, as you say, big business is controlled by government, that makes it communism, not fascism.
Not that there's any real difference between them, except in the fairy tale told to the masses. But even so, those of us who understand the distinction think you're a fucktard.
bdf2718 2 years ago
Perhaps your ignorance is genuine. Regardless, the term Liberal Fascism was that coined by a LIBERAL, as a self-title. Fascists were rather well regarded by Liberals up until the Western European type showed their fangs. Mussolini had a lot of love for FDR.
Communist, Labor, Fascist, Anarchist, Green, Progressive; all are merely disparate tribes of socialist sects; all are big government totalitarians whose ideology is so repugnant that their only way to get their way is by government force.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Prescott Bush, grandfather of 43, attempted a fascist coup in the US. Oh, let me think, who was the fascist coup against? Oh yeah, FDR (whom you say Mussolini loved).
bdf2718 2 years ago
What made Prescott Bush's SUPPOSED coup, Fascist? What would it have had to do with mussolini?
Since FDR's policies included the collusion of business & government (Fascism) That means it was Fascist.
FDR sent his (Mussolini's) ambassador- Breckingridge Long, a letter regarding "that admirable Italian gentleman," saying that Mussolini "is really interested in what we are doing, and i am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished."
duvalians1 2 years ago
Because "fascist" is term that is commonly used to embrace the philosophies of both Mussolini and Hitler. Because Prescott aided the Nazi war machine even after the US entered WW II and earned the nickname "Hitler's angel."
Prescott was a fascist. As were his son and grandson.
bdf2718 2 years ago
Democrats have a rich history of hiding their fascism by claiming ownership of a happy-sounding noun, making it their pronoun, and then advocating for policies and engaging in tactics that are the exact opposite of the whatever the noun defines.
Liberal
Democratic
Progressive
Environmentalist
Modern Liberalism is the polar opposite of the classical sort. (Conservatism)
duvalians1 2 years ago
Name for me a democrat who was involved in a fascist coup against the US, as was Prescott Bush.
Name for me a democrat who supported and aided the Nazi war machine even after the US entered WW II, as did Prescott Bush.
As for lies and hypocrisy, the standard definition of those terms is "Republican."
Please communicate with me again on your next visit from Bizarro world to Earth.
bdf2718 2 years ago
nauseating- dummicraps versus recrinkleskins- we will kick you all to death at the thrashing feet of the 9/11 treasoners you worship you worthless sack-of-shit doggy-fuckers and may Christ throw all your stupid vile perfumed kids in hell
:P
thinazzabird 2 years ago
@duvalians1 ya really.
keybladeblastcalibur 1 year ago
You do a lot of complaining without ever forming any meaningful point.
Try this: Educate yourself before posting. Then, if you disagree with one of MY posts, do attempt an argument rather than decree. I'm not getting paid to educate you.
duvalians1 2 years ago
I'm not getting paid to educate you, either, but I derive great amusement from doing so.
Some things are their own reward.
bdf2718 2 years ago
" Oh, and the media is controlled by the right, not the left. "
No, it's a well documented fact that it's controlled by the left. Here's the title to an online article showing their relative party donations:
"Putting Money Where Mouths Are: Media Donations Favor DEMs 100-1"
-- Investors Business Daily, 23 July 2008
Your political theology prohibits you guys from learning ... ANYTHING.
NeoConExtremist1 2 years ago
Wow! You mean the democrats are paying more than the republicans to the media yet get shafted continually? They must be really dumb fucks to keep paying when the media distorts reality to make the republicans look good and the democrats look bad.
Two words for you: Fox News.
Hint: how many republicans in sex scandals have been labelled D rather than R by Fox in the past year?
bdf2718 2 years ago
"you're a fucktard." - bdf2718
Aside from ad hominem against the source, have you anything else in your tory party toolbox to fend off reality?
You do realize that the American conservative-right is the same as your country's Liberal Democrats right?
Maybe you should stick to your own country's affairs, instead of sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
duvalians1 2 years ago
OMFG. You are so uneducated I cannot believe it.
The US Republican and Democratic parties are to the right of the UK's Conservative party. "New Labour" is Conservative Party Lite. The only large left-wing party the UK still has is the Liberal Democrats, and they're only left-wing because the other major parties are to the right of them.
With regards to where my nose belongs... Your moronic chimp made my moronic poodle enter into an illegal war.
bdf2718 2 years ago 2
" Because Prescott aided the Nazi war machine even after the US entered WW II "
This is widely peddled smear portrayed by the conspiritorial left in an attempt to smear their fascist stink on the opposition
While it's true Prescott Bush invested in German companies your liberal myth fails to acknowledge the fact that it was Averell Harriman, FDR's ambassador to moscow, and Truman's commerce secretary who initiated these investments.
Guilt-by-association mythology - FAIL
duvalians1 2 years ago
"illegal war."
what exactly was "illegal" about it? Did not your moronic poodle have the peoples vote to engage the islamofascist's?
The Muslims laugh in celebration when Westerners do their propaganda for them. And yet you probably take pride in that reality.
duvalians1 2 years ago
"they wouldn't be Liberals if they had the capacity to learn. "
I am sorry but you mean "they wouldn't be Republicans if they had the capacity to learn." Because ever since the election all we see is the GOP trying again and again the same nonsense with increasing histeria while the party selfdestructs around them.
xhagast 2 years ago
You're an idiot, and so is everybody who agrees with you. What's worse is you know you are, but that doesn't prevent you from posting gibberish,
duvalians1 2 years ago
"gave more tax breaks to the Mega Corps than any President." - leesagrrl
What's Fascistic about allowing people to keep more of there OWN money?
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1:
You still didn't deal with the basic truth that Junior gave more breaks to Mega Corps... than to "We the People..." So technically he was a Social Welfare For Mega Corps President.
I agree that our taxes should represent the Majority... But since when are The Mega Corps (in your words) "People?"
leesagrrl 2 years ago 2
" I agree that our taxes should represent the Majority... " - leesagrrl
Who are you agreeing with?
To assume I agree with the concept of Stealing from people (tax withholding) at all just shows your extreme ignorance.
PEOPLE own various corporation's that make up your fictional business conglomerate, and if there stolen from, It's considered Fascist. What's more it's a direct violation of 5th amendment to the constitution ( you know, that thing you Liberal's treat like toilet paper? )
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1:
Dd I say I agree with you? I said I agree with the concept. Too hard to fathom? Or is it just another example of your Megalomania?
People who are self employed have very different Rights compared to Corps. For example: Corps have a right of Personhood that actually makes them more Persons under the law, than actual Persons.
If a Corp loses money for 3 years, no prob. But if an individual loses money for three years they call his work a Hobby. A Corp can deduct those loses.
leesagrrl 2 years ago
economics 101:
Liberal's depictions of "megacorps" show them as evil, driven purely by a desire for profit, without thought for morals. What they fail to realize is that they employ a large majority of the American population, which in turn powers the economic engine of America. When government seizes more of their wealth it harms not only employment, but their profitability as well since people generally consume less of a good or service if there's a price increase due to the tax increase.
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1:
Any Corp that is Publicly Offered has to, by law, make a profit for the Share Holders or suffer the legal consequences. Their Mission statement has to be in accord with that idea... and that idea, by definition, is a sociopathy.
leesagrrl 2 years ago 2
Um, SO. Even if i except your idiotic definition of it, what the hell does sociopathy have to do with Fascism?
duvalians1 2 years ago
A Fascist is someone who envisions perpetual warfare between nations or races, extols virtues like strength, beauty and attaches those attributes to race (eugenics, get rid of the weak and disabled, etc), is obsessed with violence, is obsessed with efficiency (in common usage a tough boss is a "nazi" for instance) and antisemitic. Economically, the fascists were neither capitalists or communists but proposed a "middle path" that sought to turn industries into efficient arms of the state.
yamuboy 2 years ago
Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the body politic and longs for national leader (B.O)attuned to the will of the people. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of human life (DEMS) including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through REGULATION and social pressure.
duvalians1 2 years ago
The longing for a national leader isn't fascistic. Don't conservatives long for someone like Reagan all the time? Reaganism is more of a cult complete with the worship of "great leader" (a dead one like Kim Il Sung) and pledges of allegiance to him and his philosophy. Dems don't claim to take responsibility for all aspects of human life. We don't seek to tell people whom they can and cannot marry like you do, etc. My definition is closer to the accepted political definition of fascism.
yamuboy 2 years ago
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duvalians1 2 years ago
Huh? Why don't you rebut my accurate definition of fascism and give real historical correlations between the fascistic movements in Europe (Italy, Germany, Romania, etc) and modern American liberalism then. Ultra-nationalism, racism, perpetual warfare between races and nations, obsession with efficiency, corporatism, etc are closer to Paleo-conservatism (Pat Buchanan, America first movement), Michael Savage, etc, than modern liberalism.
yamuboy 2 years ago
I'm sorry. I don't have time to write you a report lol! Your "accurate" definition of fascism is just your own very jaded opinion; probably the product of liberal indoctrination, maybe you should consider rereading Jonah Goldberg's book again, it'll answer your question's. Another good read is "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Shlaes.
Fascism is RIGHT-wing socialism, NOT conservatism, or Classical Liberalism.
Just like Communism is LEFT-wing socialism, & NOT Modern american liberalism.
duvalians1 2 years ago
I've read Goldberg's book which is why I know exactly where he's wrong. My definition of fascism is not my "jaded" opinion or a product of "liberal' indoctrination. I wonder how "liberal universities" indoctrinate engineering students considering the fact that we don't take any liberal arts/ history courses. My definition is based on the list of books and sources I gave you and is considered by trained historians and political scientists alike to be a valid one.
yamuboy 2 years ago
To sum up this debate. If i may, you asked me by what/who's analysis is Liberalism Fascism. I listed several very specific legitmate facet's of Liber-Fascism, and you passed it off as mere acronyms devoid of substance without history attached, all the while your attempt at smearing your fascist stench on Conservatives based on My PERSONAL opinion on fag Marriage, Judeo-christian values (set forth at the countries founding), and a mile long diatribe of some books you sopposedly read. ->
duvalians1 2 years ago
Yes, it is devoid of substance. I could bring up a list of organizations and think tanks and link them as a part of a conservative-fascist conspiracy and tie them with war-profiteering, etc. Any 10 yr old can do that and that doesn't prove your point. If supporting government organizations makes someone a fascist then most countries in Europe are fascistic. If you don't study the history of fascism in Europe, the Mid East, etc, you'll make the same mistake.
yamuboy 2 years ago
Mentioning a bunch of disconnected, objectively different groups and tying them up to some mythical fascist conspiracy is stupid. And using language like "Fag marriage" and Judeo-Christian values etc, has convinced me that you get your education from Savage, townhall, hotair, pajamasmedia, etc. I could go on for ages slicing and dicing every word on those sites as being either misleading or just plain incorrect, but I have better things to do..like reading BOOKS. Something you should try doing.
yamuboy 2 years ago
Who were the members of the America first movement who wanted to prevent the US from entering the second world war? Gerald Ford- Republican, a bunch of industrialists (owner of sears, etc), Americans of German descent and Charles Lindbergh. Pat Buchanan still fondly remembers them and most Commies and leftists accused them of being a front for the Nazis. There's no fucking connection between those people, pacifists and modern liberals who wanted to stay out of Iraq.
yamuboy 2 years ago
->All the while, muddling many ideas to favor the basic ideology of modern Liberalism -- the polar opposite of classical Liberalism.
Aside from lacking any veracity, your incredulity also fails to acknowledge that the term, Liberal Fascism, was created by one of their own of that era. - H.G Wells
duvalians1 2 years ago
Listen Mr. Wannabe lawyer. Reading ONE book makes you a historical authority on JACKSHIT. If you had even a speck of intellectual integrity or honesty you'd read every comment, UNDERSTAND it and it's context and debate it in a scholarly fashion instead of denying the work of SCHOLARS and experts as being a part of a mythical LEFT WING INDOCTRINATION process. I suggest you take a course or two in international relations, political theory and history before you confuse terms even a 10 yr old knows
yamuboy 2 years ago
Ever heard Neal Boortz talk about welfare moms and section 8 housing seekers as parasites and leeches who shouldn't be allowed to vote? Ever heard of some right wingers talk about muslims as rats and vermin and about dropping bombs and killing 100 million of them (Savage)? Ever heard of people on Gordon Liddy's show calling illegal immigrants critters?
Compare such dehumanization with the Nazi portrayal of Jews and then talk. You'll know who the modern day fascists are then.
yamuboy 2 years ago
Oh, and Neal Boortz is right. If one does not have the capability of taking personal responsibility for there own life, then why should they be considered capable of forming any intelligent thoughts directed toward voting appropriatel?, Nope instead they vote for whoever gives them the most "stuff"- thus leeches, and PARASITES.
Parasite - One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return. - Merriam Webster
Arbitray Nazi portrayal - FAIL
duvalians1 2 years ago
It's been barely over 200 days since Obama was elected and several liberals have already criticized him on several issues. Cenk, Maher, Schultz, to name a few. Many American leftists (not liberals) have even compared him to Bush...In the recent GOP head nomination election, GOP presidential nomination debates, etc EVERY single candidate pledged allegiance to Reagan without even a hint of criticism (Iran-Contra, etc). That seems like more of a cult than anything I've seen...
yamuboy 2 years ago
Here are my sources on fascism:
A history of fascism by Stanley Payne.
Fascism: A very short introduction by Kevin Passmore.
The Routeledge companion to fascism and the far right.
The age of extremes and other books by Eric Hobsbawm.
Italian fascism 1915-1945 by Philip Morgan.
And, lots of other books I've read about nazi Germany by several historians- Tory and Marxist. By all scholarly metrics, Liberal fascism is a very poor book about fascism and contemporary liberalism.
yamuboy 2 years ago
Merely listing a bunch of books you sopposedly read doesn't make your argument of Fascism any more correct, anybody can claim to have read any book, it doesn't mean anything. Further it insinuate Goldberg's book is a "very poor book ."
duvalians1 2 years ago
Need a line from any page in the book? let me know. Have you even read the Amazon reviews of these books and looked at the CV's of the Authors? Anti-Intellectualism and a complete disregard for scholarship and historical research is what makes your side so completely devoid of any shred of credibility. You listed some organizations and called them FASCIST, you said that the desire for a national leader made someone a fascist. Say this in any conference and you'll be laughed out of the room!
yamuboy 2 years ago
" you said that the desire for a national leader made someone a fascist. " - yamboy
I never said it that. It was yet another misconception on your part, as it was clearly a quote from Jonah Goldberg
" It assumes the body politic and longs for national leader (B.O) attuned to the will of the people. " - Jonah Goldberg
duvalians1 2 years ago
BTW, I didn't vote for Obama and didn't even watch the inauguration, but I have to defend liberals and Obama supporters from the over-the-top, historically and factually inaccurate attacks by the right wing.
yamuboy 2 years ago
In order to assert that the new deal was the opposite of fascism-rather than a kindred phenomenom-Liberal intellectuals had to create an enormous straw man out of the modern conservative movement. It was easy since right-wing was considered anti-roosevelt, it didn't take much effort to conflate the american right with nazism, and fascism.
Thus for example liberals portray american "isolationism" as a distinctly conservative tradition. when it was originaly a "Liberal" or "progressive" one.
duvalians1 2 years ago
There is a DIRECT line between the isolationists and the America first movement and Paelo-conservatism. They were obsessed with white christian men, were fascist sympathizers, called the New deal the JEW DEAL and were in favor of privileges for the white working class, etc. Does that sound familiar? And still supports them? Ans- Pat Buchanan and you can see shades of that talk on Savage's show. Are they liberals? Hardly. Goldberg makes the same fucking mistake.
yamuboy 2 years ago
"Everything including the economy, and religion must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity (CONSERVATIVES) is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy. I will argue that contemporary American liberalism embodies all of these aspects of fascism." - Jonah Goldberg
duvalians1 2 years ago
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If federal institutions like Fannie mae make a nation fascistic then by that definition England (NHS, Housing Estates, etc) and most countries in Europe are fascistic. Again, you're confusing liberalism, socialism, conservatism, libertarianism and fascism. Modern liberalism is part classical liberalism ,part democratic socialism and has nothing to do with fascism. Jonah Goldberg's book is complete with such historical and political sleights of hand and isn't scholarly by any metric.
yamuboy 2 years ago
"Nazi" Is German for National SOCIALISM, not for "tough boss", nor is it anti semitic, Hitler was anti-semitic.
"proposed a "middle path" that sought to turn industries into efficient arms of the state."-yamuboy
Exactly, who, or what administration's does that sound reminiscent of? Woodrow Wilson demanded that individual's lose the sense of personal achievement in favor of the state, FDR had the "new deal", Obama has the "stimulus package" all meant to increase the role of government.
duvalians1 2 years ago
And all this time as I've mentioned in my comments, which you didn't bother fucking reading, leftists formed brigades to fight the fascists in Spain. Get your history right before you debate shit man.
yamuboy 2 years ago
Fascists, especially the Nazis successfully scapegoated the Jews as responsible for both the excesses of capitalism and communism or Bolshevism as they called it. Their greatest enemies were the communists and while German and Italian industry owners got away relatively easy, the first people to be jailed and killed were the commies! Remember Gramsci? How can someone be both a leftist and fascist is beyond me....
yamuboy 2 years ago
It is a stupid argument. Imbecilic even... Remember that in the animal farm the pigs always threatened the other animals by saying that they'd let the owners (humans/capitalists) back in and Orwell always called himself a democratic socialist. The first people who formed brigades to fight Franco in Spain were leftists and anarchists (including Orwell) while a lot of America first people (including lindbergh) wanted to keep America out and many Tories were fascist sympathizers...
yamuboy 2 years ago
You stupid inbred cunt, why don't you do your own research you fucking dumbass. The neo-cons are self identified so why not ask them.
nilbud 2 years ago
Liberals ALWAYS resort to Ad Hominem, when there politics are questioned in the least. -Typical
The point of asking the the question is to prove my point that you and your ilk have no concept of meaningful debate. Insults and incredulity is your version of a cogent rebuttal.
LIberalism - A severe mental disorder.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Wait, wait...
"Liberalism - A severe mental disorder."
What's that smell?
Oh. It's an Ad Hominem.
Hypocrite.
Coolness127 2 years ago
That middle paragragh, yeah that one...that was my argument & it IS addressing the substance of the argument. there's nothing hypocritical or ad hominem about that. genius
duvalians1 2 years ago
Cenk is at best a free market, social liberal, like most "liberals" in the US. There is nothing fascistic about them. Anyone who has even the most basic grasp of politics, international relations and history knows that. And since when did owning a stake in 0.22% of American private industry qualify someone as a fascist (GM, etc)? Liberal/ socialist/ communist/ Marxist, etc don't mean the same thing. Stop paraphrasing "liberal fascism" before you quote and get a library membership instead.
yamuboy 2 years ago
lol sarah palin i had a good laugh at this, palin is a dumbass no doubt there, i mean really i watched her interviews and was scared she could be our president, last thing we need is someone as stupid as bush in office
lagato321 2 years ago 3
Palin is not NEARLY as stupid as the vise president we DO have; of whom i'm scared of possibly being our president.
Palin's "bad interview" pales in comparison to the diatribe of idiocies spewed by either one of our current "leaders" (obama/biden).
Repeating liberal talking points doesn't make them more real. Typical though.
duvalians1 2 years ago
Actually Palin is the DUMBEST top politician out there now. Oh yes my friend, dumber than Michelle Bachman. There was no "gotcha" questions in interviews. Like what supreme court decision do you disagree with.... How can u not think of one? What newspaper do you read... She says nothing. Because that is what is in Sarah Palin's head.. NOTHING.... AIR, She is an AIRHEAD BIMBO and she will NEVERRRRR EVERRRRR be President
jaroncreed 2 years ago
I can think of several statements biden has made that can only at best be considered stupid. repeating the ad hominem leftist mantra's are unimpressive, and stale, and i'm frankly tired of debating such idiocies.
With 99% of the media being liberal, who can blame her for her lack of patronage.
duvalians1 2 years ago
duvalians1:
99% of the media is Liberal???
You can't really believe all this tripe that you puke, can you?
I assume you're just some smackjob that's getting 25 cents a post from the Cato Institute... or typing from your padded cell.
So, tell me, how does one type in one of those straight jackets?
leesagrrl 2 years ago
You are a complete moron.
nilbud 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
lets see obama in a stump speech said there were 57 states. thats smart.
jhamm999 2 years ago
Be quiet dunce
nilbud 2 years ago
cant handle the truth? moron.
jhamm999 2 years ago
That's some resume you have there pinhead. How about GWB and you being unable to pronounce nuclear ever. You are a joke.
nilbud 2 years ago
my resume?. you know nothing about me clown. come to think of it you know nothing period!
jhamm999 2 years ago
Actually your politics is closer to the know nothings than mine. You don't understand that remark either do you cletus.
I order you to type in another unbelievably stupid reply. You really are stupid, don't you feel any embarrassment at knowing so little?
nilbud 2 years ago
having a debate with you is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. but thats okay,i have empathy for the mentally handicapped so i will entertain your sophomoric tantrums a while longer.
jhamm999 2 years ago
No monkeyman none of that tripe you mistyped makes any sense. You really are a fool. You think you're having a debate do you, well what's the topic then? What's your point? No hold on because I couldn't give a fuck.
I thought the "battle of wits with an unarmed person" was the best of your fuck ups, you really have brought a knife to a gunfight slappy.
nilbud 2 years ago
okay,slapnuts. how about this one. i would like to buy you for what youre worth,and sell you for what you think your worth. i would make a mint.
jhamm999 2 years ago
Wow. Well i guess you told me huh?
duvalians1 2 years ago
You are a frightened little man and your opinion counts for absolutely nothing. You are a living joke. You use words which you don't understand and you lump everything which frightens you into liberal-fascist which doesn't mean anything. Your pathetic whimpering is incoherent and without any substance. That's why everyone is laughing in your bovine face.
I pity you, living in fear of everything, you delusional cretin.
nilbud 2 years ago
More incoherent rambling from an Ad Hominem liberal. When will you retard's learn your vapid decrees are NOT impressive. My "bovine face"? How is this a rebuttal in ANY way? Your ignorance far exceeds ANY supposed "delusion" i may have shown.
You saying Liberal-Fascism doesn't mean anything is "pathetic", and just shows your extreme ignorance on the subject.
duvalians1 2 years ago
You are a sad little man you seem to think you have an argument which needs rebuttal whereas all you are doing is showing off your i