anyone who knows boxing would know that usually on knock downs there is a 2nd referee in place who stands up and shouts the 10 count to the head ref showing the numbers on his hands i dont think there was a 2nd referee there to help keep track of the 10 count in this fight with that being said regardless if it was a long count the ref has to start from 1 because theres not an offical count for him to go off of.. the is as guy doing it in the douglas knockdown but he is sitting and not standing!
I am a TYSON FAN, and never believed that whole "Slow count" fiasco, we know what Mike Tyson could do he ain't Iron Mike for no reason. You don't have to act like "The Baddest Man On The Planet" didnt get his ass handed to him every once in awhile, just like you Tyson haters cant dwell on the VERY FEW TIMES Tyson was actually dominated in a boxing ring, i mean you can talk who he did and didnt beat, but at the end of the day, you dont beat most of you opponents by knockout because your a Bum.
But tyson mabey could of of snaped out of it but as soon as the ref said fight douglas would of hit em again..but either way it was a good fight tyson still my fav
Both counts were a little long but ultimately a ten count is not an exact ten seconds, it's a human's count to ten. Buster was up by the time the ref got to 9 and that's all that counts.
@DTenpas1, are you serious? Tyson was in the middle of next week when he got up (having held on to the referee at one point to do so) and had to be told a few moments later that he'd been knocked out. The referee saved him from being absolutely brutalized, which is what would have happened if he'd been allowed to continue. Ripped? No, mate. Just beaten, simple as that.
Watched this entire fight back in 1990 as a 12 year old fight fan and a fan of Tyson. He lost this fight fair & square over 21 years ago. Nothing with regards to this bout has changed.
what urks me is that the referee when counting buster douglas knock off ,he keeps looking around after each count ,but when counting mike knock out he's totally focus no looking around his shoulder
Wow, get all bent out of shape over it, eh, Tyson fans?
Look, I'm just going by the points that were scored (which had Buster winning something like 3/4 of the rounds any way), and the fact that Tyson was clearly a walking corpse by the end of this match.
And saying things like 'he was fumbling for his mouthpiece' or 'he didn't know the match was over' - doesn't that sound like the behavior of someone who's brains have been rattled pretty badly?
@LazyMan9000 who you commentin to you soft cunt? when you write a comment to someone you go to the reply button. Otherwise they don't see it. Unless of course you're just a fucking coward who dosn't want them to see it because you are afraid of an argument but still wanted to make them look stupid. Yeah, Iv'e got your number you faggot.
@tysonfor1 - LMAO I know how to use a reply button, thanks for the tutorial - unfortunately, there wasn't a "Reply to all roid-raging Tyson fans ONLY" button available so I thought that I'd act conservatively.
@LazyMan9000 The main problem with you and your like is that you all seem to care so much about what others think. So fuckin what if we all think tyson is great and should have won that fight, how does that affect you? must everyone think the same way as you? You don't like what we say? ignore us. There are people, like you who just have to try and set every tyson fan straight. Why? Why do you all waste your lives? You are ten a penny and I think you're pathetic..........pathetic bro.
@tysonfor1 - The irony is you couldn't be more wrong - nobody cares what you think. I just have a problem with fans such as yourself trying to tell me one thing when I can very clearly see with my eyes that another thing is happening. Was Tyson good? Yes. Was Tyson the best? No. This match proves that - Tyson's style had a weakness, and Douglas exploited it. Strength and intensity will never beat good strategy.
@tysonfor1 - Yeah, I wouldn't reply again, either. After all, it's pretty obvious how outnumbered you are, here. Nobody agrees with you, you're defending a moot point anyway, and even if you were right I fairly doubt any one would want to associate with a cockbag such as yourself long enough to stick up for you.
@LazyMan9000 jesus, mary, joeseph and the little lamb are you still stammering on you piece of shit? I guess you really don't have anything better to do. I don't give a fuck if I'm out numbered, I can fight my own battles and don't need people to stick up for me you soft cunt. Since your the one who cares about what I and others think so much I'd say it's you that is the cockbag. Take your maggot dick and put it in your mothers mouth. That should keep you quiet for a while. It works for me.
@tysonfor1 - First of all, there isn't anyone else talking to you, just me. So I don't know what you mean by that whole 'fight my own battles' thing. Secondly... you put your dick in your mothers mouth? You actually admit to doing that? I mean, I'm not judging, but if what you were aiming for was for me to take you seriously then it isn't working. In fact, I think you've managed to achieve the opposite. But nice work on raging out, brother. ;)
@LazyMan9000 you say there's no one else talking to me so what's with this "outnumbered" bullshit you through at me? I was addressin that you daft cunt. I put my dick in your mothers mouth soft arse. Do try and keep up. It's hard arguin with someone as fuckin thick as you. Why you callin me jason? my names jase on my channel. I can see i'm gunna have to rape you arnt I? arnt I maggot boy?!?
@Igman2020, erm, but he DID get up in time, clown. THE. ONLY. COUNT. THAT. MATTERS. IS. THE. REFEREE'S. There, is that simple enough for you? The count in boxing has always been an entirely human process with no timing equipment used. The fighter's obligation is to go by the REFEREE'S count. Douglas did, and beat it. Fucking Tyson groupies still crying over this today. Even Tyson has admitted he was embarrassed by King's appeal. Any other figher and you'd see what a joke it was, too.
I actually feel embarrassed for you for uploading this video, in some vain attempt to convey that the two different counts were less favorable to Mike Tyson!.........If you cannot clearly see the difference between Douglas getting every second to compose himself, and Tyson scrabbling around on the floor, not even able to insert his gumshield correctly - you are just in denial.A boxer must rise from a count and show he can defend himself.Buster did, Tyson was still unaware where his gumshield was
Douglas was fucking out. It easilly took him 1sec to stand up from kneeling, Tyson did the same thing and he was counted out. I guess the referee got excited because it was so unexpected, same thing happened in Ali-Foreman, the ref skipped from 8 to 10 - it's clear to see on video.
@MrBumboclart Uh, if Douglas was out he wouldn't have gotten up and kicked Tyson's ass. Buster was clearly mad (he slams his fist down at 2), composed himself, and got up. Tyson had no clue where he was and was wobbling all over the place.
@ChokeslamToHell Point 1 - Douglas WAS shook, he attempted to get up and slumped back, look at how he failed to get up against Evander. Point 2 - Tyson wasn't wobbling he simply wasted time getting his gum shield, listen to the post-fight interview, he says he hated himself for wasting time grabbing his gum shield and he should have just gotten straight back up. FACT
@MrBumboclart Sorry but Tyson was wobbling as he held on to the ref to get up, he used the ref to stand up and he was still wobbling back and forth. That is why the ref hugged him to hold him still.
@mightydesign End of the day Douglas won, by unfair count or not he still did, I think it suspicious but you obviously don't.....whenever controversy occurs and Don King is involved I always support the conspiracy theories.....
The difference was Douglas didn't look hurt getting up and Mike was a hurtin mess. I'm sure what stopped the fight was when the ref looked into Mike's eyes as he got up. Either way Mike would've still been knocked out bad or killed if the ref continued to let him fight. So there you go.
it all comes down 2 who was knocked down first, douglas. they are both long counts but douglas was down thirst. if tyson layed a 4 punch combo on douglas like he did on tyson then douglas would of been dead. fair play to tyson on getting up after that deadly combo.
The ref didn't even know the count when Douglas went down. The timekeeper already had 4 fingers up and the ref had only 1 finger up and didn't even have a second finger up yet. Then the ref gets confused and fucks up the count even further and didn't even know the count. The ref admitted he fucked up the count, but as in all sports, when the decision is made, you can't change it. Thank god for the instant replay rule in football.
why dont u people accept the fact that Iron Mike got KTFO and move on with ur lives Iron Mike is only human anyone can get their asses kicked there's always someone out there bigger meaner and stronger than u are thats life thats reality
what is meant to be is meant to be buster douglas was meant to win that night thats all we all know he is not a better fighter than mike tyson but on that night it was his night and for the most part he fought a better fight than mike.
First of all, Douglas did get a second extra but it is pretty clear that he could have got up earlier chose to stay down and utilize the count to his advantage, to catch a breather.
As for Mike Tyson getting up "before" 10... His eye is badly swollen and he has taken too many bombs. He wobbles though he got up before the 10 count!
So it's only right for the ref to count him out. Otherwise, it would have been a TKO, ANYWAY. Stop arguing just because it's Tyson losing. Grow up for Chrissakes..
How come nobody ever talks about the punch from Tyson which went sailing OVER Bruce Seldon's head but yet Seldon crumpled like a sack of crap as if he got shot? LOL. F*cking FIXED! Tyson deserved to get his ass kicked by Holyfield after clearly ripping off the fans of tens of millions of dollars with his BS handpicked bum fights.
@DanielSong39 You are correct, Tyson was in no condition to continue, he was swaying back and forth even when he got up. Later on it turns out his corner had to tell him that he was counted out, he didn't even realize the fight had ended, even thought he ref had hugged him to stop him from swaying back and forth.
Who cares if both counts are identical? They're identically bad counts- If the ref counts right, the second one never happens cause Tyson would have won by KO in the 8th. THATS how the fight should have ended.
@mikebiff232 Umm, no. If the ref counts faster for Douglas, he gets up faster and beats the count. Douglas could have gotten up at 2 if he wanted to. He just stayed down longer to give himself a breather. Wouldn't have made a difference, because Tyson was still getting his ass kicked.
@hat301 thats why i love tyson but hate his fans...they dont give a s#@# about nobody but him to the point were they will even look at the count....my question is how manny counts are off in any fight mabey every single 1 because its a human counting not a machine but tysons fans only notice this count is slow lol! tyson was of far better quality as a champ the douglas ....but douglas wiped his asss period!
@hat301 True mate,Douglas was waiting to get up and still looked capable of carrying on but Tyson didnt know what day it was nevermind being able to defend himself. Tyson lovers get over it,he was beaten that night by a better fighter.
@superparamedic7 better fighter !!!!!! you cant be serious mike tyson was the most vicious fighter ever he just didnt take ..hmmm...whats his name seriously that is all and then the other guy .....oh yeah duglas he devoted his fight to his mother that has passed recently .If you ever put mike tyson in the same ring with duglas again it would be bad !even if mike is "fat"(he said it himself at this age )
@hat301 The video is fucking bullshit. Douglas was knocked out and any other referree would have counted his fucking nigger ass out at the count of 10. Nobody gives a fuck about Buster Douglas.
Im not saying Tyson wasn't outclassed, he clearly was underprepared, but I feel the ref gave Buster the count, and took it from Tyson. Also if you watch the whole fight, the amount of punchs buster threw on the break, the ref should have deducted points, and if you look at the official scorecards, the deduction would have been enough to score the bout for Tyson.
@hat301 There is one thing everybody has overlooked with this, and you can pick it up by watching Buster while counting... and look for the guy at ringside in Busters frame counting with his hands....
@EVLDNA But Douglas could've gotten up much earlier if he wanted to. If the ref gave a quicker count, he still would have beaten it. Tyson, on the other hand, wouldn't have beaten the count if the ref had counted to 100. He was 100% out of it.
As for punching after the break, Douglas did that ONCE, about halfway through the first round. Tyson did it TWICE, with 0:10 left in round 1, and again with 0:12 left in round 2.
@hat301 Actually Douglas did it more than once, if you watch round 9 douglas nearly hit the ref in the face with a really late swing and was barely cautioned!! ALSO in round 9, straight after his combo when the announcer was wondering if Tysons legs were still there Buster threw a late one, Oh and ANOTHER ONE in the tenth round that the announcers comment on... followed by another questionable one were the ref looks at Buster after he throws it... Personal opinion anway buddy.
I'm guessing here, but I think Douglas would have beaten the count even if it had been picked up correctly by Meyran. He was hurt but didn't look out of it. Tyson, scrabbling around for his mouthpiece, didn't know where he was.
I've also long held the theory that Meyran was spooked by what was going on. This was supposed to be a en easy night for Tyson before the Holyfield fight but instead the "baddest man on the planet" was getting the hiding of his life. No-one could believe it.
When he says 2 he is one second behind for both fighters. when is the count suppose to start, as soon as he hits the floor, both fighters didn't make it. , if you watch the time on the youtube clock it clearly contradicts the count for both of em lol. Best man won though, in my humble opinion
Now that DorkyoFreeze79 has been resoundingly squashed by relatively simple intellectualism, I retire myself to more worthy foe than him. Douglas WON. Both fighters reciever nearly identical counts. Tyson didn't get up in time, Douglas did. Douglas KTFO the Tyson MYTH.
TokyoFreeze79 has not provided the proof of his claim that the referee is mandated to pick up the count from the timekeeper AND COUNT WITH THE TIMEKEEPER as stipulated by the terms agreed upon in the Tyson-Douglas fight. he is a coward providing dead links and rules from obscure alphabet boxing councils that had no jurisdiction and relevance to the Tyson Douglas Fight. Of course what can we expect from such a child fucking sissy that cannot comprehend that the referee is the FINAL ARBITER!
@TokyoFreeze79 Yeah youy stupid fuck: The knockdown judge, not the timekeeper. You claimed the timekeeper you stupid childfucker. I claimed the knockdown judge. GAME-SET-MATCH.
@TokyoFreeze79 Oh now you're changing "knockdown judge" to "knockdown timekeeper" to "timekeeper"
I win...again. Furthermore the agreed upon rules didn't adhere to one sanctioning body since Tyson was the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION (very slowly for you that means the IBF-WBA-and WBC champion) and the rules governing the fight would have been negotiated between those three sanctioning bodies and whatever athletic commission governing in Japan! And none of those rules trump ref is the final arbiter.
No. You don't win. You lose horribly. All 3 of them have the same rule in their rulebook. It's obvious that rule is in place during the bout or you wouldn't see the nice man in the white gloves counting in the background, and it's obvious that it's in every fucking story about the controversy ever written about the bout.
You lose and you know it. Cry more fag. Goodnight bitch. Time for a victory sleep.
@TokyoFreeze79 Loosely translated: "I no want play no mo cuz mongoose beat my butt with brain. I hate brain. me find asian bitchchild. konk on hed. take to cave." Yeah enjoy your slumber. Slumber is bliss and bliss is ignorance.
Oh Pedophile: What say you regarding the act that most counts in sampled fights are long counts? Long coutns are the norm in boxing. Bottom line. Both Tyson and Douglas received consistent counts. Ref is final arbiter! Douglas stayed down until 9 by choice. Tyson got up a split second later shitting his pants in knockout land with his mouthpiece in backwards. The hearing concluded that Douglas won fair and square based on the facts, not publicity. Douglas KTFO over Tyson the baby raper.
Douglas had 9 seconds to lay down when the real time was at 11 before he got up STAGGERED and without his gloves even up. Then he STAGGERED to the corner dazed like a bitch.
During the hearing it was shown that almost 75% of knochdown counts are "long." as long as the referee is fair to both fighters, the referee's count is FINAL! Game-set-match. Now go back to stroking your wee wee to those asian children.
I take your refusal to quote the rule and provide the source that the referee is NOT mandated to pick up and count with the timekeeper as you saying: "Unga bunga we no wike wut u say but me no no y so me fling pooopie at u.
"as long as the referee is fair to both fighters"???? Where do you pull this bullshit from? Please immediately quote that rule from the 1990 rulebook.
Again, you are no winner. Even the President AND THE REF stated that there was a long count. OFFICIALLY Douglas won. I NEVER said otherwise. I stated that Douglas should have been called knocked out due to a long count.
Please find another Championship bout in the last 20 years where a boxer was given a 13 count and not ruled KOed
Tyson was up a split second after Douglas was up. This video was also shown to the hearing where Tyson and King protested Douglas' victory. The panel too decided in favor of Douglas. BTW the official count for a 10 seconds...as counted by the referee (funny how Tyson nuthuggers forget that qualifier in the rulebook.) Tyson was beat fair and square. Winner Douglas!
Buster Douglas won the fight really well. I'm glad the referee didn't count him out. That would be unfair because as we saw, Buster clearly had the potential to continue the fight, but if Mike continued, he would've ended up in a coma...
That Douglas can barely walk to his corner how lucky did he get there, not only to get under the 10 count but to have the bell straight after if Tyson had another 20 secs it's all over! lol
@hat301 This video really clears everything up, even if the ref was slow to count for Douglas, he gave the same advantage to Mike. thanks for posting.
Douglas lost. He was the first down. The ref (by rules) is supposed to LOOK AT THE OFFICIAL TIMEKEEPER and take his count from him. You can look that up yourself in the rulebook. The ref DID NOT do this. Douglas was KO-ed
@TokyoFreeze79, no he wasn't. The ref is instructed to pick up the timekeeper's count, however he is not fully obliged to and it's not uncommon at all for the ref to ignore the timekeeper's count, either. Besides, a closer analysis has PROVEN that the timekeeper's count was wrong anyway, and that he was too far ahead. And if you're so hung up on what the rule book says, you'll note that it's the REF'S count that the fighters follow, noone else's, and that ONLY the ref can declare the fight over.
WRONG! "When a boxer has been knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to the farthest neutral corner of the ring and pick up the count from the timekeeper or the official counting for knockdowns. Should the opponent fail to stay in the corner as direct by the referee, the referee shall stop the count at the point that it was interrupted. In the event of any knockdown, the timekeepers count will cease when picked up the referee whose count shall prevail and be relied on by the boxers."
Closer analysis? You're fucking stupid. Clock it yourself you dumb bitch. Start when his back hits the mat and see what time it is when his gloves are up to show he's able to fight.
When a boxer is “down” the knockdown timekeeper shall immediately start counting the elapsed seconds in a loud, clear voice. He shall indicate each elapsed second with progressive upraised fingers until the referee has either taken up his count or told the contestants to “box”.
@TokyoFreeze79, dear me, "dumb bitch" eh? Did you come up with that big, bad comment all by yourself, or did your carer help you with it? Yes, the timekeeper's count WAS inaccurate, as he didn't counted '1' the very instant Douglas hit the canvas, rather than wait one second as he was meant to. And I see you neglected to mention THE most important rule of all; If one man fails to beat the count, "it shall be in the power of the REFEREE to give his award in favour of the other man."
Oh my god you're dumb. All that means is that after the 10 count, only the ref and nobody else can say the other man won. Are you taking meds? Oh, the time keeper didn't count 1? Awww, what's 14 - 1? Still 13 and 3 fucking seconds too long. Again, you're a dumb bitch.
@TokyoFreeze79, so hang on a minute, are you denying that the REFEREE'S count is the one which the fighters are obliged to listen to? Are you denying that the REFEREE'S count is final? Ha ha, keep going mate, and continue making yourself look like a little pathetic Tyson fanboy. The 'long count' is a pathetic excuse made by a crook in Don King, nothing more. Aaaww, let me guess, Tyson's losses to Holyfield, Lewis, Williams and McBride don't count either, eh? Not in his 'prime', perhaps?
@iljn1988 yes actually Tyson was old nad had lost his edge and body parts haha in the Williams fight. As for McBride haha common..noe Lewis i dont think Tyson couldve beaten him in any point in time MAYBE in the 80's but im still doubtful...as for Holyfield if they had met after the Douglas fight Tyson couldve definetly won against Holyfield. He was smaller back then and liked to trade shots he wouldn't be able to take combos from Tyson. Course this is just my opinion.
Can you read English? I really think you need to slowly re-read what was written and how the writer (me) could have meant those words to mean.
Tyson lost his way once his trainer died and the rape allegations. He had no hope of beating the elite from that point on.
Yes, the ref's count is what the go by, but AGAIN, it's the timekeeper's count the ref is supposed to pick up from. 10 count total, not 1.4 seconds for every 1.0
@TokyoFreeze79, I can read fine thanks. As I said, the REFEREE'S count is final. Simple as that. If it had been any other fighter making such a daft protest, nobody would bat an eyelid. But because this was poor ickle cryin' Mike Tyson, people actually buy in to it. Regardless of whether or not the timekeeper's count is picked up, the fight is only over if the referee reaches 'ten.' He didn't. Tyson lost, just accept it. Christ Almighty.
The count of 10 is supposed to be in actual seconds (yes, it's in the rulebook.) Yes, Douglas won... yes, he deserved to.... he really did.... but he should have lost if the ref was competent in counting. Many different teams and individuals could and should have won championships, but did not due to poor performance by officials.
@TokyoFreeze79 And you are a DullTard. I read your mumbling stumbing muttering stuttering slobbering grunts. It amounted to nothing and deserved the smakdown I gave it. Take your beating like the bitch you are!
I really didn't see a "smakdown" (learn to type) or a beating. You're a 41 year old queer that spends his time listening to progressive rock and making up words that you actually think are cool. Get a life loser.
@TokyoFreeze79 Yes I listen to progressive rock. Good job. If you just put down the asian child porn for a few days and pick up an actual book, literacy will be within your grasp. You claim to be 32 but call people out on being old, queer and for typos? 32 isn't your age, that's your IQ. In the meantime, Corky, stop talking about boxing until you recover enough from my bitchslapping of you that you can once again grunt out one syllable words. Now run along, the adults are talking.
Using a few examples, please demonstrate to the rest of the class how you came about to the idea and conclusion that I lack literacy? Kind of ironic coming from you, don't you think? Pretty cute how you can't spell smackdown or properly capitalize the word Asian.
I never called you out for your age alone. I factored in that you are older and listen to progressive rock. That is pretty damn queer.
As for my I.Q., it's been tested twice. The outcome of the tests left me between 146 and 150.
@TokyoFreeze79 A few examples of your hominid level IQ? Everything you write, pedo.
Get it right Corky, technically it's IQ not I.Q. I.Q. As in idiot quotient? You're a definite150. Or did you mean that's what your girlfriend scored...ON THE RICHTER SCALE!
BTW Mensa, it is IQ not I.Q. Gotta love idiots boasting about how smart they are when they
I've been hearing an awful lot about this "bitchslapping" (<---- should at least be hyphenated), and I can't wait to see the video of it. I've heard wonderful things though!
Anyway, I know you're probably pretty busy listening to Genesis right now, so I'll let you be. Take care queer!
P.S. Did you pick up the line of "mumbling stumbing muttering stuttering slobbering grunts", from a little night action with your boyfriend?
....Nah, you're not gay. They are actually articulate .
So, excuse me for harping on the issue, but watching that fight is like watching a suspenseful movie which included a a scene diffusing a bomb... and when the timer hit 0:00, I would be expecting an explosion. 0:04 later, he finishes the diffusion, and there I am sitting in my theater seat saying "What the fuck?"
Again, to be clear. Buster Douglas deserved to win that fight, and he did.
@TokyoFreeze79 According to what rule from what sanctioning body and athletic commission? The only universal rule is the referee is the final arbiter. According to referee training manuals and most sanctioning bodies the ref is to pick up (meaning to start at his command) the count from the KNOCKDOWN JUDGE, SCHMUCK! Not the timekeeper. LMFAO you are a tardfuck. How can he pick it up from the timekeeper when the timekeeper cannot rule a knockdown, tardfuck? LMFAO!
Fuck you retard. It's in the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Association rules. They even WITHHELD declaring Douglas the winner. They DID NOT recognize him until public pressure made them. You can "LMFAO" all you want, but even the ref ADMITTED that he made a mistake. Dumb bitch.
By the time Douglas got to his feet at nine, Sulaiman said, 13 seconds had gone by.
"We have a 13-second KO in the eighth round and another KO in the 10th round," Sulaiman said — adding that a rematch between the two is "absolutely mandatory."
WHATEVER the boxing politicians eventually decree, James (Buster) Douglas is the boxing public's new world heavyweight champion. Yes, he apparently got a wrong count and a long count from the referee during his knockdown by Mike Tyson in the eighth round of their Tokyo title bout. But that was the referee's fault, not his. And in that situation, the fighter is not responsible for the referee's mistake.
During any round, the referee is in charge. Not the knockdown timekeeper. Not the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Association dark suits who yesterday put the heavyweight title in limbo, pending a review of Douglas's convincing 10th-round knockout of the no longer undisputed, undefeated and unconquerable champion.
Octavio Meyran Sanchez, the Mexican referee, has acknowledged his mistake in relaying the knockdown timekeeper's count.
@TokyoFreeze79 "During any round, the referee is in charge. "
Game-Set-Match. You just negated your whole pedophile fucktarded argument, lmfao!
Once again stop being a cowardly bitch and answer my question: What athletic commission and sanctioning body did you get you "rule" that the ref is reuired to pick up the count from the timekeeper? Answer you scared shitless coward.
You are an idiot. I negated no argument. My argument is that Tyson should have won due to an inept ref with a slow count. Even the ref ADMITTED his MISTAKE. Oh I'm sorry, can you find the rules you little bitch?
"World Boxing Council President Jose Sulaiman said the problem was this: when Douglas went down, Meyran began counting from one when the timekeeper had actually reached four. Also, Sulaiman said, the referee briefly stalled the count while Tyson was still in a neutral corner.
@TokyoFreeze79 I take your refusal to quote the rule and provide the source that the referee is mandated to pick up and count with the timekeeper as you saying: "Unga bunga we no wike wut u say but me no no y so me fling pooopie at u. afta all me was pollin poopoo out o me bung anywhose. now time fo me to find dumb asian midget child, konk on head, take to cave, put peepee in bung."
Oh, because I just HAPPEN to have the 1990 rulebook in front of me. I know there was/is that rule because of every story on the subject. Oh look, guess what bitch? You can even find the professionally written stories on google. Go ahead and do a search for: "Nice try, Don King, but you can't steal Buster Douglas's title" by Rick Reilly of SI
@TokyoFreeze79 But you didn't quote the rule. What you have in your hands is your cock and an asian midget childporn mag. QUOTE THE RULE, PEDOCOWARD. Furthermore: Douglas pounded his fist on the canvas in frustration at four and was coherently watching the count. Fighters are trained to go by the ref's count because that is all that matters! Why are you such a chickenshit wimp? I demanded you to quote the rule and provide the source over an hour ago and you shit your pants in cowardice.
Meyran started his count two beats behind that of the knockdown timekeeper, a fellow at ringside wearing white gloves. Meyran checked to make sure that Tyson was in a neutral corner and then he began his own count over Douglas. By the time Meyran's count was at nine, Douglas was rising. Trouble was, at that same time, Mr. White Gloves would have been at 11.
Provide source that this is not the rule. PROVIDE ANY REFERENCES stating otherwise you piece of shit moron. Go ahead and google "Knockdown timekeeper" and FUCKING READ what he does.
Once again you haven't provided proof that the referee is mandated to pick up the count from the timekeeper and mandated to count with him. Put down your copy of Hot Asian Child Midgets Kinderclass of '11 and back up your shit, coward. Stop pissing down your leg that your ass was kicked with my mind and admit you are wrong and are lying.
Once again, you haven't provided anything to state otherwise. I quoted 3 articles you can easily find online that states that the ref made a mistake by not taking the timekeepers count.
4.4. When a boxer has been knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to the farthest neutral corner of the ring and pick up the count from the timekeeper or the official counting for knockdowns.... TBD....
Should the opponent fail to stay in the corner as direct by the referee, the referee shall stop the count at the point that it was interrupted. In the event of any knockdown, the timekeepers count will cease when picked up the referee whose count shall prevail and be relied on by the boxers."
@TokyoFreeze79 World Boxing Federation? It only AWARDS titles of the WBA level. And what jurisdiction did they have over the Tyson fight?? NONE! LMFAO! The IBF, WBC and WBA and whatever athletic commission in Japan that presided over the fight DID by joint agreement! QUOTE THE RULES and STIPULATIONS OF THEY AGREED UPON NOW BITCH!
You fucking named the IBF yourself. "NONE! LMFAO! The IBF, WBC and WBA and whatever athletic commission in Japan that presided over the fight DID by joint agreement! "
Please show the source of your statement about the rules. SHOW THE SOURCE of the joint agreement
@TokyoFreeze79 You gave a DEAD LINK to IBF-USBA not the IBF. Seperate entities, asian child fucker. They fought in the land you stalk children, pedo. J-A-P-A-N. I typed that very slowly for you.
No question, Meyran blew it. He was supposed to pick up the count of Mr. Isotoner at ringside. Evidently, Meyran was unaware of the rule, because in the 10th round he made a similar mistake when Douglas knocked Tyson down with a four-punch combination. Only this time, it took 14 seconds to get to 10.
I've given you 3 references from 3 professionally written stories. Where are yours to state otherwise? Please provide them now.
In a videotape seen at the Home Box Office studios yesterday, the referee's count is nearly 2 seconds behind that of the knockdown timekeeper, who is visible in the background wearing white gloves. As the referee counted ''Two,'' for example, the timekeeper was about to flash four fingers.
As I've stated in an earlier post, it's true that ONLY the ref can call the bout... BUT in the RULEBOOK, he is to pickup the count from the OFFICIAL TIMEKEEPER. DURRRR!!!! DURRRRRR!!!! DURRRRR!!! RETARD ALERT!!!!! DURRRRR!!!
"Octavio Meyran Sanchez, the Mexican referee, has acknowledged his mistake in relaying the knockdown timekeeper's count."
^ Notice the word "MISTAKE"
Even that fucking thick ass head of yours can't shield you from that info
@TokyoFreeze79 Stupid childfucker. There is no such thing as a knockdown timekeeper. Next time defer to boxing rulebooks and use critical thinking when plagiarizing the New York Times. LMFAO!
anyone who knows boxing would know that usually on knock downs there is a 2nd referee in place who stands up and shouts the 10 count to the head ref showing the numbers on his hands i dont think there was a 2nd referee there to help keep track of the 10 count in this fight with that being said regardless if it was a long count the ref has to start from 1 because theres not an offical count for him to go off of.. the is as guy doing it in the douglas knockdown but he is sitting and not standing!
defcon215 21 hours ago
Did Tyson ever thank the referee for saving his life at the end there?
FamousMovieScenes09 6 days ago
I am a TYSON FAN, and never believed that whole "Slow count" fiasco, we know what Mike Tyson could do he ain't Iron Mike for no reason. You don't have to act like "The Baddest Man On The Planet" didnt get his ass handed to him every once in awhile, just like you Tyson haters cant dwell on the VERY FEW TIMES Tyson was actually dominated in a boxing ring, i mean you can talk who he did and didnt beat, but at the end of the day, you dont beat most of you opponents by knockout because your a Bum.
BiggieSmalls11111 2 weeks ago
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the ref started to count douglas a second 2 late bad referring but no dought tyson was knocked uncausions even though he stood up
foot3r1994 4 weeks ago
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foot3r1994 4 weeks ago
I woulda pounded them both..With one arm tied behind my back..Blind folded lolol =)
randy755 1 month ago
But tyson mabey could of of snaped out of it but as soon as the ref said fight douglas would of hit em again..but either way it was a good fight tyson still my fav
MAPakaRedman 1 month ago
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why are videos about this issue? it was just don king´s bullshit, he thought he could do anything because he was in Japan.
VitalMusic217 4 months ago
why are videos about this issue? it was just don king´s bullshit, he thought he could do anything because he was in Japan.
VitalMusic217 4 months ago
Both counts were a little long but ultimately a ten count is not an exact ten seconds, it's a human's count to ten. Buster was up by the time the ref got to 9 and that's all that counts.
FlaviusConstantius 4 months ago
the ref didn't even say "ten" for tyson, he just waved the fight right away. he at least gave buster a chance to stand up straight. tyson got ripped
DTenpas1 4 months ago
@DTenpas1, are you serious? Tyson was in the middle of next week when he got up (having held on to the referee at one point to do so) and had to be told a few moments later that he'd been knocked out. The referee saved him from being absolutely brutalized, which is what would have happened if he'd been allowed to continue. Ripped? No, mate. Just beaten, simple as that.
iljn1988 3 months ago
Watched this entire fight back in 1990 as a 12 year old fight fan and a fan of Tyson. He lost this fight fair & square over 21 years ago. Nothing with regards to this bout has changed.
DreadedWookie 4 months ago
You have to be balanced, alot of people don't knwo that effects teh human judgement, Tyson was swinging liek apendulum, while douglas wasn't.
UT5000 4 months ago
what urks me is that the referee when counting buster douglas knock off ,he keeps looking around after each count ,but when counting mike knock out he's totally focus no looking around his shoulder
drucat27 5 months ago
@HigherPoker well here's one for you dickhead........tyson got beat fair and square in this fight. I'm a tyson fan. So what now you prick?
tysonfor1 5 months ago
how would you know how buster or Tyson felt the bottom line is that a lot of fights are won by referees and doctors human error = Shit happens
runevider 5 months ago
Wow, get all bent out of shape over it, eh, Tyson fans?
Look, I'm just going by the points that were scored (which had Buster winning something like 3/4 of the rounds any way), and the fact that Tyson was clearly a walking corpse by the end of this match.
And saying things like 'he was fumbling for his mouthpiece' or 'he didn't know the match was over' - doesn't that sound like the behavior of someone who's brains have been rattled pretty badly?
Tyson lost, fair and square. Live with it.
LazyMan9000 6 months ago 2
@LazyMan9000 who you commentin to you soft cunt? when you write a comment to someone you go to the reply button. Otherwise they don't see it. Unless of course you're just a fucking coward who dosn't want them to see it because you are afraid of an argument but still wanted to make them look stupid. Yeah, Iv'e got your number you faggot.
tysonfor1 5 months ago
@tysonfor1 - LMAO I know how to use a reply button, thanks for the tutorial - unfortunately, there wasn't a "Reply to all roid-raging Tyson fans ONLY" button available so I thought that I'd act conservatively.
Good talk, bro. Good talk.
LazyMan9000 5 months ago
@LazyMan9000 The main problem with you and your like is that you all seem to care so much about what others think. So fuckin what if we all think tyson is great and should have won that fight, how does that affect you? must everyone think the same way as you? You don't like what we say? ignore us. There are people, like you who just have to try and set every tyson fan straight. Why? Why do you all waste your lives? You are ten a penny and I think you're pathetic..........pathetic bro.
tysonfor1 5 months ago
@tysonfor1 - The irony is you couldn't be more wrong - nobody cares what you think. I just have a problem with fans such as yourself trying to tell me one thing when I can very clearly see with my eyes that another thing is happening. Was Tyson good? Yes. Was Tyson the best? No. This match proves that - Tyson's style had a weakness, and Douglas exploited it. Strength and intensity will never beat good strategy.
LazyMan9000 5 months ago
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@LazyMan9000 blah blah blah man. Heard it all before.
tysonfor1 5 months ago
@tysonfor1 - Yeah, I wouldn't reply again, either. After all, it's pretty obvious how outnumbered you are, here. Nobody agrees with you, you're defending a moot point anyway, and even if you were right I fairly doubt any one would want to associate with a cockbag such as yourself long enough to stick up for you.
Good retreat, bro, good retreat.
LazyMan9000 4 months ago
@LazyMan9000 jesus, mary, joeseph and the little lamb are you still stammering on you piece of shit? I guess you really don't have anything better to do. I don't give a fuck if I'm out numbered, I can fight my own battles and don't need people to stick up for me you soft cunt. Since your the one who cares about what I and others think so much I'd say it's you that is the cockbag. Take your maggot dick and put it in your mothers mouth. That should keep you quiet for a while. It works for me.
tysonfor1 4 months ago
@tysonfor1 - First of all, there isn't anyone else talking to you, just me. So I don't know what you mean by that whole 'fight my own battles' thing. Secondly... you put your dick in your mothers mouth? You actually admit to doing that? I mean, I'm not judging, but if what you were aiming for was for me to take you seriously then it isn't working. In fact, I think you've managed to achieve the opposite. But nice work on raging out, brother. ;)
LazyMan9000 4 months ago
@LazyMan9000 you say there's no one else talking to me so what's with this "outnumbered" bullshit you through at me? I was addressin that you daft cunt. I put my dick in your mothers mouth soft arse. Do try and keep up. It's hard arguin with someone as fuckin thick as you. Why you callin me jason? my names jase on my channel. I can see i'm gunna have to rape you arnt I? arnt I maggot boy?!?
tysonfor1 4 months ago
@Igman2020, erm, but he DID get up in time, clown. THE. ONLY. COUNT. THAT. MATTERS. IS. THE. REFEREE'S. There, is that simple enough for you? The count in boxing has always been an entirely human process with no timing equipment used. The fighter's obligation is to go by the REFEREE'S count. Douglas did, and beat it. Fucking Tyson groupies still crying over this today. Even Tyson has admitted he was embarrassed by King's appeal. Any other figher and you'd see what a joke it was, too.
iljn1988 6 months ago 2
Buen arbitro, muy profesional.
cabedin 6 months ago
I actually feel embarrassed for you for uploading this video, in some vain attempt to convey that the two different counts were less favorable to Mike Tyson!.........If you cannot clearly see the difference between Douglas getting every second to compose himself, and Tyson scrabbling around on the floor, not even able to insert his gumshield correctly - you are just in denial.A boxer must rise from a count and show he can defend himself.Buster did, Tyson was still unaware where his gumshield was
MrTivert 6 months ago
Douglas was fucking out. It easilly took him 1sec to stand up from kneeling, Tyson did the same thing and he was counted out. I guess the referee got excited because it was so unexpected, same thing happened in Ali-Foreman, the ref skipped from 8 to 10 - it's clear to see on video.
MrBumboclart 6 months ago
@MrBumboclart Uh, if Douglas was out he wouldn't have gotten up and kicked Tyson's ass. Buster was clearly mad (he slams his fist down at 2), composed himself, and got up. Tyson had no clue where he was and was wobbling all over the place.
ChokeslamToHell 6 months ago 2
@ChokeslamToHell Point 1 - Douglas WAS shook, he attempted to get up and slumped back, look at how he failed to get up against Evander. Point 2 - Tyson wasn't wobbling he simply wasted time getting his gum shield, listen to the post-fight interview, he says he hated himself for wasting time grabbing his gum shield and he should have just gotten straight back up. FACT
MrBumboclart 6 months ago
@MrBumboclart Sorry but Tyson was wobbling as he held on to the ref to get up, he used the ref to stand up and he was still wobbling back and forth. That is why the ref hugged him to hold him still.
mightydesign 6 months ago 2
@mightydesign End of the day Douglas won, by unfair count or not he still did, I think it suspicious but you obviously don't.....whenever controversy occurs and Don King is involved I always support the conspiracy theories.....
MrBumboclart 5 months ago
That was a ten count when douglas was down, clearly.
michaeljackson1978 6 months ago
The difference was Douglas didn't look hurt getting up and Mike was a hurtin mess. I'm sure what stopped the fight was when the ref looked into Mike's eyes as he got up. Either way Mike would've still been knocked out bad or killed if the ref continued to let him fight. So there you go.
outlaw6066 6 months ago
it all comes down 2 who was knocked down first, douglas. they are both long counts but douglas was down thirst. if tyson layed a 4 punch combo on douglas like he did on tyson then douglas would of been dead. fair play to tyson on getting up after that deadly combo.
TheGuGeZ 7 months ago
i think tyson should of got a rematch douglas won this title because mike gave him a chance there was other guys who deserved the shot more
lee1990lee 7 months ago
The ref didn't even know the count when Douglas went down. The timekeeper already had 4 fingers up and the ref had only 1 finger up and didn't even have a second finger up yet. Then the ref gets confused and fucks up the count even further and didn't even know the count. The ref admitted he fucked up the count, but as in all sports, when the decision is made, you can't change it. Thank god for the instant replay rule in football.
sexydarin1 7 months ago
why dont u people accept the fact that Iron Mike got KTFO and move on with ur lives Iron Mike is only human anyone can get their asses kicked there's always someone out there bigger meaner and stronger than u are thats life thats reality
MRPric3LEss 7 months ago 2
@MRPric3LEss Amen!
videozfann 7 months ago
wow nice video
GoodGamesInHD 7 months ago
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wizeman5974 7 months ago
what is meant to be is meant to be buster douglas was meant to win that night thats all we all know he is not a better fighter than mike tyson but on that night it was his night and for the most part he fought a better fight than mike.
lk186 7 months ago
i cant understand why people BOTHER to argue about this.. its over 20 years ago.. arguing about it wont change anything...
RodinsKebabshop 7 months ago
First of all, Douglas did get a second extra but it is pretty clear that he could have got up earlier chose to stay down and utilize the count to his advantage, to catch a breather.
As for Mike Tyson getting up "before" 10... His eye is badly swollen and he has taken too many bombs. He wobbles though he got up before the 10 count!
So it's only right for the ref to count him out. Otherwise, it would have been a TKO, ANYWAY. Stop arguing just because it's Tyson losing. Grow up for Chrissakes..
expressivechild 8 months ago
How come nobody ever talks about the punch from Tyson which went sailing OVER Bruce Seldon's head but yet Seldon crumpled like a sack of crap as if he got shot? LOL. F*cking FIXED! Tyson deserved to get his ass kicked by Holyfield after clearly ripping off the fans of tens of millions of dollars with his BS handpicked bum fights.
HenryTheJoker 8 months ago
Seems to me Douglas was saved by the bell at the end of the round. Tyson was going in to finish him off and would have done too.
bobilleg74 8 months ago
Regardless Douglas would have won on the Scorecards. Plus He still had over a MINUTE to continue pummeling Tyson.
monkey0pump0ethanol 8 months ago
BUSTER GOT KNOCKED OUT THE WORLD KNOWS IT WAS OVER HEEL A BABY KNEW IT WAS OVER AND TYSON WON. CHEATED
porsche19962 8 months ago
There were both horrible counts.
Maybe Buster Douglas would've beaten the count anyway. He should have been given the opportunity to do so.
As for Tyson, the referee should've stopped the fight even if Tyson was up at 8. He was in no condition to continue.
DanielSong39 8 months ago 9
@DanielSong39 You are correct, Tyson was in no condition to continue, he was swaying back and forth even when he got up. Later on it turns out his corner had to tell him that he was counted out, he didn't even realize the fight had ended, even thought he ref had hugged him to stop him from swaying back and forth.
mightydesign 6 months ago 2
Who cares if both counts are identical? They're identically bad counts- If the ref counts right, the second one never happens cause Tyson would have won by KO in the 8th. THATS how the fight should have ended.
mikebiff232 8 months ago 5
@mikebiff232 Umm, no. If the ref counts faster for Douglas, he gets up faster and beats the count. Douglas could have gotten up at 2 if he wanted to. He just stayed down longer to give himself a breather. Wouldn't have made a difference, because Tyson was still getting his ass kicked.
hat301 8 months ago 17
@hat301 thats why i love tyson but hate his fans...they dont give a s#@# about nobody but him to the point were they will even look at the count....my question is how manny counts are off in any fight mabey every single 1 because its a human counting not a machine but tysons fans only notice this count is slow lol! tyson was of far better quality as a champ the douglas ....but douglas wiped his asss period!
FederalTracks 7 months ago
@hat301 no not at all, stop trying to talk shit with ur fat ass on a couch. Tyson downed him first u dumb fuck
ugotkoed 7 months ago
@hat301
the left side is altered you clown nice try
kingkevinjoy 6 months ago
@kingkevinjoy
Altered how? Go look at the original video, and you'll see that nothing was altered.
hat301 6 months ago 7
@kingkevinjoy
shut up fucktard
audiobuttmaster 4 months ago
@hat301 True mate,Douglas was waiting to get up and still looked capable of carrying on but Tyson didnt know what day it was nevermind being able to defend himself. Tyson lovers get over it,he was beaten that night by a better fighter.
superparamedic7 6 months ago
@superparamedic7 better fighter !!!!!! you cant be serious mike tyson was the most vicious fighter ever he just didnt take ..hmmm...whats his name seriously that is all and then the other guy .....oh yeah duglas he devoted his fight to his mother that has passed recently .If you ever put mike tyson in the same ring with duglas again it would be bad !even if mike is "fat"(he said it himself at this age )
chevboy09 6 months ago
@chevboy09 I meant better fighter on the night
superparamedic7 5 months ago
@hat301 Fucking moron. Tyson knocked him out and nothing after that matters.
ronesposito1 3 months ago
@ronesposito1
I guess you didn't see the video then. Try watching it before you open your mouth and embarrass yourself again.
hat301 3 months ago
@hat301 The video is fucking bullshit. Douglas was knocked out and any other referree would have counted his fucking nigger ass out at the count of 10. Nobody gives a fuck about Buster Douglas.
ronesposito1 3 months ago
@ronesposito1 stupid fuckwad...he was getting spanked asshole or did hizs eyes magically close? fuckwad
djk28161 4 days ago
@mikebiff232 should have.
Zealotmaster88 6 months ago
@mikebiff232 douglas could have got up all most straight away. he was waiting to hear nine like tunny did agaist dempsey
cv003799 6 months ago
@mikebiff232 Correct.
ronesposito1 3 months ago
@mikebiff232 no way possible... douglas still was able to continue after that shot. tyson didnt kno wut the fuck day of the week it was
iceill3425 1 month ago
@mikebiff232 I also hates referees that counts slow, but this is not the first time it happens. It's not Douglas faults, do you think so or what?
Dnamsak 1 month ago
@mikebiff232 u zstupid fag...he got his ass kicked get over it u dildo
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defcon215 21 hours ago
Im not saying Tyson wasn't outclassed, he clearly was underprepared, but I feel the ref gave Buster the count, and took it from Tyson. Also if you watch the whole fight, the amount of punchs buster threw on the break, the ref should have deducted points, and if you look at the official scorecards, the deduction would have been enough to score the bout for Tyson.
EVLDNA 8 months ago
@hat301 There is one thing everybody has overlooked with this, and you can pick it up by watching Buster while counting... and look for the guy at ringside in Busters frame counting with his hands....
EVLDNA 8 months ago
@EVLDNA But Douglas could've gotten up much earlier if he wanted to. If the ref gave a quicker count, he still would have beaten it. Tyson, on the other hand, wouldn't have beaten the count if the ref had counted to 100. He was 100% out of it.
As for punching after the break, Douglas did that ONCE, about halfway through the first round. Tyson did it TWICE, with 0:10 left in round 1, and again with 0:12 left in round 2.
hat301 8 months ago 3
@hat301 Actually Douglas did it more than once, if you watch round 9 douglas nearly hit the ref in the face with a really late swing and was barely cautioned!! ALSO in round 9, straight after his combo when the announcer was wondering if Tysons legs were still there Buster threw a late one, Oh and ANOTHER ONE in the tenth round that the announcers comment on... followed by another questionable one were the ref looks at Buster after he throws it... Personal opinion anway buddy.
EVLDNA 8 months ago
@hat301 buster could NOT GET UP FASTER HE WAS KNOCKED OUT COLD DID YOU SEE HIM ON THAT STOOL IN HIS CORNER AFTER THE KNOCKOUT. BOYEEEEEE
porsche19962 8 months ago
both men were in almost the exact same standing position when the count hit ten. tyson was counted out and douglas was given another shot.
l9o6p7a3k4a 8 months ago 2
I'm guessing here, but I think Douglas would have beaten the count even if it had been picked up correctly by Meyran. He was hurt but didn't look out of it. Tyson, scrabbling around for his mouthpiece, didn't know where he was.
I've also long held the theory that Meyran was spooked by what was going on. This was supposed to be a en easy night for Tyson before the Holyfield fight but instead the "baddest man on the planet" was getting the hiding of his life. No-one could believe it.
dmpcornwall 8 months ago
Other fighters that did not receive a count consistent with the clock:
Moorer vs Foreman. Moorer down for 12 seconds when ref hit 10.
Lewis Rahman I. Lewis only down for 9 when ref count hit 10.
Lewis Rahman II Rahman down for 11-12 seconds when ref count hit 10.
Foreman vs Ali. Foreman claims it was a quick count. Foreman was actually down on the canvas for 12 seconds when the ref count hit 10.
Tyson Lewis. Tyson down for 11 when count hit 10.
mongoose704 8 months ago
When he says 2 he is one second behind for both fighters. when is the count suppose to start, as soon as he hits the floor, both fighters didn't make it. , if you watch the time on the youtube clock it clearly contradicts the count for both of em lol. Best man won though, in my humble opinion
jussyboye 8 months ago
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LedWilde 8 months ago
Now that DorkyoFreeze79 has been resoundingly squashed by relatively simple intellectualism, I retire myself to more worthy foe than him. Douglas WON. Both fighters reciever nearly identical counts. Tyson didn't get up in time, Douglas did. Douglas KTFO the Tyson MYTH.
mongoose704 9 months ago
TokyoFreeze79 has not provided the proof of his claim that the referee is mandated to pick up the count from the timekeeper AND COUNT WITH THE TIMEKEEPER as stipulated by the terms agreed upon in the Tyson-Douglas fight. he is a coward providing dead links and rules from obscure alphabet boxing councils that had no jurisdiction and relevance to the Tyson Douglas Fight. Of course what can we expect from such a child fucking sissy that cannot comprehend that the referee is the FINAL ARBITER!
mongoose704 9 months ago
WBA Rules:
3.5 When a contender is considered knockdown, the referee shall order the
6opponent to retire to the farthest corner of the ring, in relation to the knocked
down boxer, pointing at such corner, and he shall immediately count the
seconds taking the count from the knockdown judge. If the boxer refuses to
go to the farthest corner determined by the referee, or does not stay there,
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Yeah youy stupid fuck: The knockdown judge, not the timekeeper. You claimed the timekeeper you stupid childfucker. I claimed the knockdown judge. GAME-SET-MATCH.
I win, you lose.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
THE KNOCKDOWN TIMEKEEPER IS THE FUCKING OFFICIAL TIMEKEEPER YOU TARD. IT'S THE DUDE IN THE WHITE GLOVES. NICE TRY YOU FUCKING FAILURE.
GAME-SET-MATCH
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Oh now you're changing "knockdown judge" to "knockdown timekeeper" to "timekeeper"
I win...again. Furthermore the agreed upon rules didn't adhere to one sanctioning body since Tyson was the UNDISPUTED CHAMPION (very slowly for you that means the IBF-WBA-and WBC champion) and the rules governing the fight would have been negotiated between those three sanctioning bodies and whatever athletic commission governing in Japan! And none of those rules trump ref is the final arbiter.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
No. You don't win. You lose horribly. All 3 of them have the same rule in their rulebook. It's obvious that rule is in place during the bout or you wouldn't see the nice man in the white gloves counting in the background, and it's obvious that it's in every fucking story about the controversy ever written about the bout.
You lose and you know it. Cry more fag. Goodnight bitch. Time for a victory sleep.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Loosely translated: "I no want play no mo cuz mongoose beat my butt with brain. I hate brain. me find asian bitchchild. konk on hed. take to cave." Yeah enjoy your slumber. Slumber is bliss and bliss is ignorance.
Winner = ME.
mongoose704 9 months ago
OFFICIAL KNOCKDOWN TIMEKEEPER*
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
the referee shall stop the count to the knocked down boxer until his
opponent retires to the indicated corner, and then, the referee shall continue
with the count starting from the point from which it was interrupted."
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
Oh Pedophile: What say you regarding the act that most counts in sampled fights are long counts? Long coutns are the norm in boxing. Bottom line. Both Tyson and Douglas received consistent counts. Ref is final arbiter! Douglas stayed down until 9 by choice. Tyson got up a split second later shitting his pants in knockout land with his mouthpiece in backwards. The hearing concluded that Douglas won fair and square based on the facts, not publicity. Douglas KTFO over Tyson the baby raper.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Douglas had 9 seconds to lay down when the real time was at 11 before he got up STAGGERED and without his gloves even up. Then he STAGGERED to the corner dazed like a bitch.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
During the hearing it was shown that almost 75% of knochdown counts are "long." as long as the referee is fair to both fighters, the referee's count is FINAL! Game-set-match. Now go back to stroking your wee wee to those asian children.
mongoose704 9 months ago
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I take your refusal to quote the rule and provide the source that the referee is NOT mandated to pick up and count with the timekeeper as you saying: "Unga bunga we no wike wut u say but me no no y so me fling pooopie at u.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@mongoose704
"as long as the referee is fair to both fighters"???? Where do you pull this bullshit from? Please immediately quote that rule from the 1990 rulebook.
Again, you are no winner. Even the President AND THE REF stated that there was a long count. OFFICIALLY Douglas won. I NEVER said otherwise. I stated that Douglas should have been called knocked out due to a long count.
Please find another Championship bout in the last 20 years where a boxer was given a 13 count and not ruled KOed
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
Tyson was up a split second after Douglas was up. This video was also shown to the hearing where Tyson and King protested Douglas' victory. The panel too decided in favor of Douglas. BTW the official count for a 10 seconds...as counted by the referee (funny how Tyson nuthuggers forget that qualifier in the rulebook.) Tyson was beat fair and square. Winner Douglas!
mongoose704 9 months ago
Buster Douglas won the fight really well. I'm glad the referee didn't count him out. That would be unfair because as we saw, Buster clearly had the potential to continue the fight, but if Mike continued, he would've ended up in a coma...
truebeliever786 9 months ago
That Douglas can barely walk to his corner how lucky did he get there, not only to get under the 10 count but to have the bell straight after if Tyson had another 20 secs it's all over! lol
WirableWig 9 months ago
great video! how did you do that? Final Cut?
fooloof 9 months ago
@fooloof
I used VirtualDub, with an an AVS script to get the 2 videos together side-by-side (using the "StackHorizontal" function).
hat301 9 months ago
@hat301 This video really clears everything up, even if the ref was slow to count for Douglas, he gave the same advantage to Mike. thanks for posting.
utahboy86 8 months ago
i think this is the greatest video
sextenica 9 months ago
i got to said NICE VIDEO, good one.
THETOYOTAable 9 months ago
Douglas lost. He was the first down. The ref (by rules) is supposed to LOOK AT THE OFFICIAL TIMEKEEPER and take his count from him. You can look that up yourself in the rulebook. The ref DID NOT do this. Douglas was KO-ed
TokyoFreeze79 10 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79, no he wasn't. The ref is instructed to pick up the timekeeper's count, however he is not fully obliged to and it's not uncommon at all for the ref to ignore the timekeeper's count, either. Besides, a closer analysis has PROVEN that the timekeeper's count was wrong anyway, and that he was too far ahead. And if you're so hung up on what the rule book says, you'll note that it's the REF'S count that the fighters follow, noone else's, and that ONLY the ref can declare the fight over.
iljn1988 9 months ago
WRONG! "When a boxer has been knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to the farthest neutral corner of the ring and pick up the count from the timekeeper or the official counting for knockdowns. Should the opponent fail to stay in the corner as direct by the referee, the referee shall stop the count at the point that it was interrupted. In the event of any knockdown, the timekeepers count will cease when picked up the referee whose count shall prevail and be relied on by the boxers."
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@iljn1988
Closer analysis? You're fucking stupid. Clock it yourself you dumb bitch. Start when his back hits the mat and see what time it is when his gloves are up to show he's able to fight.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@iljn1988
When a boxer is “down” the knockdown timekeeper shall immediately start counting the elapsed seconds in a loud, clear voice. He shall indicate each elapsed second with progressive upraised fingers until the referee has either taken up his count or told the contestants to “box”.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79, dear me, "dumb bitch" eh? Did you come up with that big, bad comment all by yourself, or did your carer help you with it? Yes, the timekeeper's count WAS inaccurate, as he didn't counted '1' the very instant Douglas hit the canvas, rather than wait one second as he was meant to. And I see you neglected to mention THE most important rule of all; If one man fails to beat the count, "it shall be in the power of the REFEREE to give his award in favour of the other man."
iljn1988 9 months ago
@iljn1988
Oh my god you're dumb. All that means is that after the 10 count, only the ref and nobody else can say the other man won. Are you taking meds? Oh, the time keeper didn't count 1? Awww, what's 14 - 1? Still 13 and 3 fucking seconds too long. Again, you're a dumb bitch.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79, so hang on a minute, are you denying that the REFEREE'S count is the one which the fighters are obliged to listen to? Are you denying that the REFEREE'S count is final? Ha ha, keep going mate, and continue making yourself look like a little pathetic Tyson fanboy. The 'long count' is a pathetic excuse made by a crook in Don King, nothing more. Aaaww, let me guess, Tyson's losses to Holyfield, Lewis, Williams and McBride don't count either, eh? Not in his 'prime', perhaps?
iljn1988 9 months ago
@iljn1988 yes actually Tyson was old nad had lost his edge and body parts haha in the Williams fight. As for McBride haha common..noe Lewis i dont think Tyson couldve beaten him in any point in time MAYBE in the 80's but im still doubtful...as for Holyfield if they had met after the Douglas fight Tyson couldve definetly won against Holyfield. He was smaller back then and liked to trade shots he wouldn't be able to take combos from Tyson. Course this is just my opinion.
RealDealBoxing13 9 months ago
@iljn1988
Can you read English? I really think you need to slowly re-read what was written and how the writer (me) could have meant those words to mean.
Tyson lost his way once his trainer died and the rape allegations. He had no hope of beating the elite from that point on.
Yes, the ref's count is what the go by, but AGAIN, it's the timekeeper's count the ref is supposed to pick up from. 10 count total, not 1.4 seconds for every 1.0
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79, I can read fine thanks. As I said, the REFEREE'S count is final. Simple as that. If it had been any other fighter making such a daft protest, nobody would bat an eyelid. But because this was poor ickle cryin' Mike Tyson, people actually buy in to it. Regardless of whether or not the timekeeper's count is picked up, the fight is only over if the referee reaches 'ten.' He didn't. Tyson lost, just accept it. Christ Almighty.
iljn1988 9 months ago
@iljn1988
The count of 10 is supposed to be in actual seconds (yes, it's in the rulebook.) Yes, Douglas won... yes, he deserved to.... he really did.... but he should have lost if the ref was competent in counting. Many different teams and individuals could and should have won championships, but did not due to poor performance by officials.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 A "ten count" by the referee is the rule. As we see, the count was equal for both. WINNER = DOUGLAS.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
You really need to read all the posts. If you have, and still don't get it, then you're a dullard
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 And you are a DullTard. I read your mumbling stumbing muttering stuttering slobbering grunts. It amounted to nothing and deserved the smakdown I gave it. Take your beating like the bitch you are!
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
I really didn't see a "smakdown" (learn to type) or a beating. You're a 41 year old queer that spends his time listening to progressive rock and making up words that you actually think are cool. Get a life loser.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Yes I listen to progressive rock. Good job. If you just put down the asian child porn for a few days and pick up an actual book, literacy will be within your grasp. You claim to be 32 but call people out on being old, queer and for typos? 32 isn't your age, that's your IQ. In the meantime, Corky, stop talking about boxing until you recover enough from my bitchslapping of you that you can once again grunt out one syllable words. Now run along, the adults are talking.
mongoose704 9 months ago
Using a few examples, please demonstrate to the rest of the class how you came about to the idea and conclusion that I lack literacy? Kind of ironic coming from you, don't you think? Pretty cute how you can't spell smackdown or properly capitalize the word Asian.
I never called you out for your age alone. I factored in that you are older and listen to progressive rock. That is pretty damn queer.
As for my I.Q., it's been tested twice. The outcome of the tests left me between 146 and 150.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 A few examples of your hominid level IQ? Everything you write, pedo.
Get it right Corky, technically it's IQ not I.Q. I.Q. As in idiot quotient? You're a definite150. Or did you mean that's what your girlfriend scored...ON THE RICHTER SCALE!
BTW Mensa, it is IQ not I.Q. Gotta love idiots boasting about how smart they are when they
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
I've been hearing an awful lot about this "bitchslapping" (<---- should at least be hyphenated), and I can't wait to see the video of it. I've heard wonderful things though!
Anyway, I know you're probably pretty busy listening to Genesis right now, so I'll let you be. Take care queer!
P.S. Did you pick up the line of "mumbling stumbing muttering stuttering slobbering grunts", from a little night action with your boyfriend?
....Nah, you're not gay. They are actually articulate .
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Genesis rocks. Nothing wrong with queers either.
Pedos like you? Look son I'm too old for you so stop asking to suck my cock. Now I leave you to your career as a tricycle seat sniffer.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@iljn1988
So, excuse me for harping on the issue, but watching that fight is like watching a suspenseful movie which included a a scene diffusing a bomb... and when the timer hit 0:00, I would be expecting an explosion. 0:04 later, he finishes the diffusion, and there I am sitting in my theater seat saying "What the fuck?"
Again, to be clear. Buster Douglas deserved to win that fight, and he did.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Wrong again, Pedo.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 According to what rule from what sanctioning body and athletic commission? The only universal rule is the referee is the final arbiter. According to referee training manuals and most sanctioning bodies the ref is to pick up (meaning to start at his command) the count from the KNOCKDOWN JUDGE, SCHMUCK! Not the timekeeper. LMFAO you are a tardfuck. How can he pick it up from the timekeeper when the timekeeper cannot rule a knockdown, tardfuck? LMFAO!
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Fuck you retard. It's in the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Association rules. They even WITHHELD declaring Douglas the winner. They DID NOT recognize him until public pressure made them. You can "LMFAO" all you want, but even the ref ADMITTED that he made a mistake. Dumb bitch.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 What rule? Where? Source?
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
By the time Douglas got to his feet at nine, Sulaiman said, 13 seconds had gone by.
"We have a 13-second KO in the eighth round and another KO in the 10th round," Sulaiman said — adding that a rematch between the two is "absolutely mandatory."
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
By DAVE ANDERSON of The New York Times
Published: February 12, 1990
WHATEVER the boxing politicians eventually decree, James (Buster) Douglas is the boxing public's new world heavyweight champion. Yes, he apparently got a wrong count and a long count from the referee during his knockdown by Mike Tyson in the eighth round of their Tokyo title bout. But that was the referee's fault, not his. And in that situation, the fighter is not responsible for the referee's mistake.
(to be continued)
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
During any round, the referee is in charge. Not the knockdown timekeeper. Not the World Boxing Council and World Boxing Association dark suits who yesterday put the heavyweight title in limbo, pending a review of Douglas's convincing 10th-round knockout of the no longer undisputed, undefeated and unconquerable champion.
Octavio Meyran Sanchez, the Mexican referee, has acknowledged his mistake in relaying the knockdown timekeeper's count.
TBD
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 "During any round, the referee is in charge. "
Game-Set-Match. You just negated your whole pedophile fucktarded argument, lmfao!
Once again stop being a cowardly bitch and answer my question: What athletic commission and sanctioning body did you get you "rule" that the ref is reuired to pick up the count from the timekeeper? Answer you scared shitless coward.
mongoose704 9 months ago
You are an idiot. I negated no argument. My argument is that Tyson should have won due to an inept ref with a slow count. Even the ref ADMITTED his MISTAKE. Oh I'm sorry, can you find the rules you little bitch?
"World Boxing Council President Jose Sulaiman said the problem was this: when Douglas went down, Meyran began counting from one when the timekeeper had actually reached four. Also, Sulaiman said, the referee briefly stalled the count while Tyson was still in a neutral corner.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 I take your refusal to quote the rule and provide the source that the referee is mandated to pick up and count with the timekeeper as you saying: "Unga bunga we no wike wut u say but me no no y so me fling pooopie at u. afta all me was pollin poopoo out o me bung anywhose. now time fo me to find dumb asian midget child, konk on head, take to cave, put peepee in bung."
Winner = Me
Loser = PedoFreeze
mongoose704 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79
You claim: "My argument is that Tyson should have won"
but earlier
"Douglas deserved to win."
Which one is it pedo?
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
DOUGLAS did DESERVE to win from the way he was boxing you stupid bitch.... but he SHOULDN'T HAVE if the ref did his job correctly.
Fuck you are stupid
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 The line between deserve and shoudl does not exist, pedo.
Quote the rule now, chickenshit wimp.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Oh, because I just HAPPEN to have the 1990 rulebook in front of me. I know there was/is that rule because of every story on the subject. Oh look, guess what bitch? You can even find the professionally written stories on google. Go ahead and do a search for: "Nice try, Don King, but you can't steal Buster Douglas's title" by Rick Reilly of SI
and I quote: (TBD)
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 But you didn't quote the rule. What you have in your hands is your cock and an asian midget childporn mag. QUOTE THE RULE, PEDOCOWARD. Furthermore: Douglas pounded his fist on the canvas in frustration at four and was coherently watching the count. Fighters are trained to go by the ref's count because that is all that matters! Why are you such a chickenshit wimp? I demanded you to quote the rule and provide the source over an hour ago and you shit your pants in cowardice.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Pounding a FIST connected to a wrist and arm on the mat does not give him the ability to stand up and stay up with his LEGS.
boxrec(DOT)(KOM)/media/index.php/Knockdown_timekeeper
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
Meyran started his count two beats behind that of the knockdown timekeeper, a fellow at ringside wearing white gloves. Meyran checked to make sure that Tyson was in a neutral corner and then he began his own count over Douglas. By the time Meyran's count was at nine, Douglas was rising. Trouble was, at that same time, Mr. White Gloves would have been at 11.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Quote the rule now, chickenshit pedocoward. Provide source to rule and stop pissing down your leg.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Provide source that this is not the rule. PROVIDE ANY REFERENCES stating otherwise you piece of shit moron. Go ahead and google "Knockdown timekeeper" and FUCKING READ what he does.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
Once again you haven't provided proof that the referee is mandated to pick up the count from the timekeeper and mandated to count with him. Put down your copy of Hot Asian Child Midgets Kinderclass of '11 and back up your shit, coward. Stop pissing down your leg that your ass was kicked with my mind and admit you are wrong and are lying.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Once again, you haven't provided anything to state otherwise. I quoted 3 articles you can easily find online that states that the ref made a mistake by not taking the timekeepers count.
STATE OTHERWISE
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
World Boxing Federation Rulebook:
4.4. When a boxer has been knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to the farthest neutral corner of the ring and pick up the count from the timekeeper or the official counting for knockdowns.... TBD....
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Kicked with your mind? You honestly think you're actually right don't you?
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Should the opponent fail to stay in the corner as direct by the referee, the referee shall stop the count at the point that it was interrupted. In the event of any knockdown, the timekeepers count will cease when picked up the referee whose count shall prevail and be relied on by the boxers."
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 World Boxing Federation? It only AWARDS titles of the WBA level. And what jurisdiction did they have over the Tyson fight?? NONE! LMFAO! The IBF, WBC and WBA and whatever athletic commission in Japan that presided over the fight DID by joint agreement! QUOTE THE RULES and STIPULATIONS OF THEY AGREED UPON NOW BITCH!
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Just gave you the IBF as well. Eat my asshole out now you fucking queer.
(Double U Double U Double U)(DOT)ibf-usba-boxing(DOT)(KOM with a C)/userfiles/File/IBF-USBA%20Bout%20Rules(DOT)pdf
Eat that bitch
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Eat what? It's a dead link. And what jurisdiction did IBF-USBA have over the Tyson-Douglas fight, PEDO? LOSER
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
You fucking named the IBF yourself. "NONE! LMFAO! The IBF, WBC and WBA and whatever athletic commission in Japan that presided over the fight DID by joint agreement! "
Please show the source of your statement about the rules. SHOW THE SOURCE of the joint agreement
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 You gave a DEAD LINK to IBF-USBA not the IBF. Seperate entities, asian child fucker. They fought in the land you stalk children, pedo. J-A-P-A-N. I typed that very slowly for you.
Proof now, chickenshit childfucker.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
You fucking lose and still can't admit it. HAHAHAHA. I'm done with you. Go cry to your Genesis now. See ya bitch
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Oh, I'm sorry. Are you gonna cry? Are you? Awww... poor little fag. Awww... so sad.
Awwwww!!!!! DUUUURRRRR!!!!! RETARD!!!! DURRRR!!! Awwww...
Me = Win
You = Loss
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
No question, Meyran blew it. He was supposed to pick up the count of Mr. Isotoner at ringside. Evidently, Meyran was unaware of the rule, because in the 10th round he made a similar mistake when Douglas knocked Tyson down with a four-punch combination. Only this time, it took 14 seconds to get to 10.
I've given you 3 references from 3 professionally written stories. Where are yours to state otherwise? Please provide them now.
Me = Winner
You = Loser
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 But you claim Douglas deserved the win and should have won? Quote the rule you childfucking coward.
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Where's your rule to state otherwise. You've been provided with 3 professional references bitch
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Oh I'm sorry... were you just smacked down? Goodnight queer. Now go along and drink a wine cooler while crying to Genesis
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@mongoose704
Oh, I'm sorry little girl, would you like the IBF rules too?
KNOCKDOWN AND KNOCKOUTS:
2. There will be a mandatory eight (8) count when one of the contestants is knocked off the
soles of his feet or draped helplessly across the ropes. If this occurs, the knockdown
timekeeper's count will commence and be picked up by the referee. At this point, the
referee is in control and the knockdown timer will cease counting.
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Quote the rule now, Pedocoward. You alaso clearly claimed Tyson and Douglas should have won. Which one is it Pedocoward?
mongoose704 9 months ago
@mongoose704
"You alaso clearly claimed Tyson and Douglas should have won. Which one is it"
Read my posts and figure it out for yourself you stupid white trash bitch
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@mongoose704
In a videotape seen at the Home Box Office studios yesterday, the referee's count is nearly 2 seconds behind that of the knockdown timekeeper, who is visible in the background wearing white gloves. As the referee counted ''Two,'' for example, the timekeeper was about to flash four fingers.
That's right queer... BAD REF = TYSON LOSS
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
As I've stated in an earlier post, it's true that ONLY the ref can call the bout... BUT in the RULEBOOK, he is to pickup the count from the OFFICIAL TIMEKEEPER. DURRRR!!!! DURRRRRR!!!! DURRRRR!!! RETARD ALERT!!!!! DURRRRR!!!
"Octavio Meyran Sanchez, the Mexican referee, has acknowledged his mistake in relaying the knockdown timekeeper's count."
^ Notice the word "MISTAKE"
Even that fucking thick ass head of yours can't shield you from that info
TokyoFreeze79 9 months ago
@TokyoFreeze79 Stupid childfucker. There is no such thing as a knockdown timekeeper. Next time defer to boxing rulebooks and use critical thinking when plagiarizing the New York Times. LMFAO!
mongoose704 9 months ago