Magic Square - Sixty Symbols

[nachoijp]

aliens!!

[stonytina1]

2 people couldn't count to 16 and disliked this.

[Arghira]

In the right down corer you can find 1514 (or something similar)....

[jgeraldoatlarge]

and take that -11 you get ... 23 somebody call jim carrey

[Lookagainz]

Its not coincidence...

[QuantumChance]

if you count the numbers from 1-16, you will find they make an interesting pattern. Think about how this pattern is arranged to give the same #'s for each row and column

[madnessdexter]

I wonder if in hundreds years from now people will be studying the sadoku puzzle books..

[Massiah82]

@islandbuoy4

It's amazing what you can do with numbers, you can manipulate, twist, stretch, weave, and do almost anything with them! I have seen your kind of manipulation of numbers to "prove" ideas (ideas that you want to propagate) but please understand that whilst some people will be taken in by this number trickery - others won't.

[passingbynight]

Why didn't I have these teachers in grade and high school?

[paulcmnt]

@passingbynight 'Cause they're doctors.

[passingbynight]

@paulcmnt There are plenty of teachers who are doctors :-/

[islandbuoy4]

coincidence?

typical response by a 'scientist' who fails to see the deSIGNS, the obvious clues strewn about.

Yes the INTELLECTUAL has been proved to be blind to a bigger picture that embraces the PAST too, smart as they are in the here and now.

OK that is the 4x4 square.....take a look at that strange looking 3D object in the image of Melancholia....

it is a CUBE, two of its vertices have been truncated. (take a close look AHA??)

Why the AHA??

4x4x4=64

The CUBE, DNA the HOLY GRAIL

cont'd

[islandbuoy4]

PART 2

BTW before I proceed MODERN SCIENCE now suggests the FINE STRUCTURE constant ALPHA = 137, was at one time bigger, i.e. 128.5, therefore science today provides a range for alpha 128.5 >> 137

JUST DO A SEARCH OF 'fine structure constant 128.5' ... and start reading. ;)

[islandbuoy4]

PART 3

THIS GETS REAL GOOD!!!

PAST and PRESENT collide in an big AHA!!

So how does 'When I am 64?' collide with the FINE STRUCTURE Constant 137?

The ancients using NAKED EYE observations assigned the number 36 to the SUN and 28 to the MOON.

Remember those numbers to be used as ratios, based on these simple number relationships i.e. 36 + 28 = 64 OR 37 + 27 = 64

37/27=1.37 x 100 = 137

But the SUN 36 divided by the MOON 28 x 100 = 128.5!!!

Is 37 the number of the "collective unconscious"?

[islandbuoy4]

PART 4

How Pythagoras, the Jews, & the FINE STRUCTURE constant all collide.

Pythagoras and the GREATER Tetraktys are associated to the number 36, and the name of the SUN, witness the 6x6 magic square (sum of 1-36=666) is assigned to the SUN. (note: the sun wheel of 360 degrees)

During the Jewish celebration of Hanukkah you light ONE candle on day ONE, and on day EIGHT you light EIGHT. For a total of 36 candles that are lit over 8 days. (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36)

Candle #37 is dedicated to the Sun.

[tehremnantz]

@islandbuoy4 sure it is.

heres a word you should look at

***coincidence***

[islandbuoy4]

@tehremnantz

sure what is?

yes those that ignore the word 'coin' in coincidence are bound to become slaves of jesus salvator

however I see the SIGNS and SYMBOLS in the de-SIGN aha ahh Confucius say westerners who ignore that "signs and symbols rule the world NOT phrases or laws" are bound to become conFUSED together...

is there any intelligence out there?

[tehremnantz]

@islandbuoy4 do you know how fucking idiotic you sound right now?

the reason i said all of that was a coincidence is because, it proves nothing, it really is coincidental all of it had life turned out different math would be nothing like the way it is now

you might aswell be screaming "bob doyle 2012!!!!"

but i would rather you realise what your saying and get off of your soap box

[islandbuoy4]

@tehremnantz

try to stay on topic low brow human. we are discussing magic squares and the number associated with the fine structure constant '137'.

do you have anything to offer of just more troll droll doyle commentary?

STFU and raise your game.

[tehremnantz]

@islandbuoy4 nothing your saying as anything to do with this stop talking about all this bull shit and "stay on topic" its about magic squares

stop talking about some hair brained idea that jews have anything to do with it

just fucking stop alright? my religion has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS YOU COMPLETE AND TOTAL DUMB ASS

[islandbuoy4]

@tehremnantz

5x5 sator magic square is an algorithm that matches up with Ed Witten Twistor String Theory?

Do you have any IDEA what an algorithm is?

[islandbuoy4]

@tehremnantz

please discuss how the 3x3 Lo Shu  magic square and the I Ching (yin yang to a ding a ling like you) collide?

eh fess up, low brow human being, raise your stupid game.

[islandbuoy4]

@tehremnantz

re: ZPE (zero point energy)

"From his data, the newly obtained value of the fine structure constant is 1/128.5 instead of the smaller 1/137 that is traditionally observed for a fully screened electron. The fine structure constant equals the electron charge squared divided by Planck's constant and the speed of light."

[islandbuoy4]

coincidence?

typical response by a 'scientist' who fails to see the deSIGNS, the obvious clues strewn about.

Yes the INTELLECTUAL has been proved to be blind to a bigger picture that embraces the PAST too, smart as they are in the here and now.

OK that is the 4x4 square.....take a look at that strange looking 3D object in the image of Melancholia....

it is a CUBE, two of its vertices have been truncated. (take a close look AHA??)

Why the AHA??

4x4x4=64

The CUBE, DNA the HOLY GRAIL

cont'd

[Uminchuu]

I love playing with magic squares. One of my favorites is actually not a square at all. It's Ben Franklin's magic circle! Though, he did make some interesting magic squares as well.

[lvutodeath]

Magic square? i call it sudoku. LOL

[derick1259]

@lvutodeath No, sudoku is different from magic squares.

[Tridecalogism]

Whoa. Hold the phone. Did i just hear him reference wikipedia?! We weren't allowed to do that in Year 12 Ancient History. We'd lose our fingers.

[the81stviewer]

@Tridecalogism Teacher don't let you use wikipdia for papers and research because wikipedia itself is not a source, but a collection of information from other sources. Also wikipedia can be changed under certain circumstances by people who might not know what they are talking about. IT's a bit flimsy at the moment. But, it's good for some afternoon reading on a topic you don't know about.

[elirox100]

THere are loads more ways that it makes 34

[TheNachter]

or else everytime you project a 2d form with 4 90° angles on it it will add up to 34

[TheNachter]

and if you add the edges it is 34

[TheNachter]

just look at the position of the numbers

count them up and you will see that they are put there in a method big U small u mirrored and than small u big U mirrored

[GodJasperX]

If you cut the magic square in 4 parts (16+3+5+10); (2+13+11+8);

(9+6+4+15); (7+12+14+1) they all add up to 34 as well.

[TheManGuyDude]

err sudoku?

[daddyschlong14]

30,000th viewer! (Sure that means something)

[godlyking3]

Dan Brown in 3 mins, also the middle four squares add up to 34 which makes this magic square even more interesting

[GtrDudeL]

this is an example of coded ancient knowledge passed along my alien visitors!

[rares2cristea]

until 2:25 : "Ok, we're on to something"

after 2:25 : ok so add nubers.... add 1... and OMFG I DON't UNDERSTAND HIS KLINGONIAN ANYMORE

[appletisha27]

@rares2cristea hahaha that was so funny!!



[omarion2k]

The 137 came from the artists sub-conscious. So it does mean something.

[Copimi]

ah, numbers - shroombers... i suck at numbers...

[Nverticle]

Looks like you can have some Matrix calculations to go with it.

[MrFloydc2]

inspires me a bit as i nearly lost hope in my game programming coursework. lol.

[dreasim]

this is really cool. Thanks to all.

[carlsontechnology]

the numbering pattern goes as follows:

1) right to left: 1, 2, 3,4 where the middle of the series is at the top of the square and the ends are on the bottom.

2) left to right:, 5,6,7,8, where the 6 and 7 are shifted down and the 5 & 8 are on the same row. 9, 10, 11, 12 work the same except 10 and 11 are shifted up and 9 and 12 are on the same row.

3) right to left: 13, 14, 15, 16 where 13 and 16 are on the top row and 14 and 15 are on the bottom.

There's a reproducible logic here!!!!

[oskiflesh]

Seems to be constructed as a Karnaugh diagram!

Add the corners, 34

Add the two middles in the upper row and the two middles in the lower row, 34.

Add the two middles in the left column and the two middles in the right row, 34.

[wesmatron]

Each group of four adjoining squares (making a square of four squares) also adds up to 34

[Apjooz]

@wesmatron

The guy should have mentioned that, that's amazing.

[wesmatron]

@Apjooz Isn't it? It's still blowing my mind.

[blackbirdlore]

While his discovery isn't all that fascinating, the Magic Square certainly is. So many patterns in there...

[Skandalos]

Sorry but thats really really stupid.

If you multiply 34 with a number and add another number to it you can get pretty much any number you might fancy.

And this guy really looked it up on wiki? As if anybody with a sane mind would see any importance in the random fact that 34*4+1 = 137 ???

[panzarw]

I'm not surprised, there is a link one way or another in physics, so god does not play dice.

[freemakemoneyonline]

The four corner squares and the four centre squares both add up to 34. The four opposite squares both vertically and horizontally add up to 34. Both sets of symmetrically placed squares (3 5 12 14) and (2 8 9 15) add up to 34. Each corner group of four squares (like 16 3 10 5) adds up to 34.

[TheMaliPerica]

If you take magic square 3x3 like a matrix, determinant is always ±360. If you take 4x4 magic square matrix, determinant is always 0.

[Roddyoneeye]

Magic Squares are fun to do. It's relaxing to focus on them.

[pepsibookcat]

Oooooo, I love that artwork!

[anyroxtar]

He says 'by german artist', but doesn't even says his name - Albrecht Durer !!!

hey, professor Eaves, do some justice to the author! :)

[HumaninSeoul]

This guy is bordering on numerology = bs. Even educated people have their lapses into the nonsensical and the human idea of finding patterns and confirmation bias lol

[hartejoseph]

Its not coincidence it ratio

[hartejoseph]

do the other planets saturn is 3×3 jupiter 4×4 5×5 mars 6×6 the sun which adds to 666 total 111 on the suns diagonal,horizontal and vertical.What Im curios about is do the squares have any relation to the planets ratio of diameter or distance from the sun or radius or circumference

[Leiflton]

@hartejoseph what are these calculations? saturn is 3x3? whats the 666?

[legochuckles]

@hartejoseph ...... . . . . um. . . . . . what?!

[hartejoseph]

jehovah's square 4×4 father jupiter well if your in israel anyway

[RectumPilum]

We drew that picture in class.

[TheRealVerbz]

Law of Squares, Professor John Searl

myspace,com/JohnSearlStory

[Twornpoobar]

if you add the numbers individually eg top line 1+6+3+2+1+3 = 16 then add 1+6 = 7. Second line 5+1+0+1+1+8 = 16 ... 1+6 = 7. Third line 9+6+7+1+2 = 25 .. 2+5 = 7. It seems that all individual numbers equal 7. Even the 34 - 3+4 = 7

[MathPhysChemSkyNerd]

@Twornpoobar 19 - 1+9=10 1+0=1

[Iralaeh]

@MathPhysChemSkyNerd Where do you get 19 from? 4th line gives 16, the diagonals give 16 and 25. I can't see the 19 anywhere to be honest.

Even the 4 2x2 squares in the corners (where the numbers add up to 34 as well) add up to 16 with Twornpoobar's method.

[MathPhysChemSkyNerd]

@Iralaeh I don't even remember o.O I'll have to find it.

[pensword5]

If you take the total number of squares (16) plus the hole thing is a square +(1) that is a total of 17 squares overal. 17 Times 2 is your majic 34. Its odd that the overal square shape has to be used to come up with the half of 34 (17) because it has no number representation.

[pensword5]

Maybe it is represented. he needs the number 1 for him to get his 137. Or maybe im just goofy.

[RectumPilum]

@pensword5 what you haven't thought about is that there are many more squares in it.

[spencerspoke]

wierd the only squares in the picture that dont add to 34 are the top middle and the bottom middle (3,2,10,11) (6,7,15,14)

[pensword5]

spencerspoke

If you add them all up and divide by 2 (3,2,10,11) + (6,7,15,14) =68 divide by 2 and 34. So they average 34. Dang.

[holsson85]

Amazing!

[Patrickssj6]

He did not point out the most obvious thing: Quote "The two middle cells of the bottom row give the date of the engraving: 1514."

[Lemau]

@Patrickssj6 @Twornpoobar - Those are two very amusing extra facts that make me love this piece of work. o_o

[SuperFinGuy]

Another interesting part about this magic square is that if you add four numbers in any pattern that is evenly proportional to the rest of the square the result is always 34. For example if we make a square of 4 numbers in the middle the result is 34. If we divide the square in even sub squares the result of each of them is 34. And also if we add all the numbers the result is 136. What those numbers represent, and how they came up with them??

[SuperFinGuy]

Also interesting to note, the picture was made at the same that the mathematician Luca Pacioli (1446-1517) lived. And he wrote a book about the golden ration (aka phi) called the "De divina proportione". In the book he mentions the importance of the equilateral square, the perfection of the circle and regular bodies, which seem to be represented in the picture. It's intriguing that we found the quantum ratio in this. I must say that the probability of this being a coincidence are dropping.

[SuperFinGuy]

This is begging to be looked upon further.

[culwin]

plump

[LWStupidus]

What's this piece of art called?

[trincherasgp]

Melancholia I

[blade9z]

Is just maths not magic, if they all add up to 42 then its magic.

[0chaosdemon0]

Ah, I mean engraving, as I believe this is a wood-cut. Though I might still be wrong.

[0chaosdemon0]

I had a brief episode of making magic squares after seeing this painting in The Golden Ratio, so I'm glad someone else is fascinated by these mathematical puzzles.

A bit more number trivia: the numbers in the center, the four numbers in each of the four corners and the four corners themselves also add up to 34.

[leporidus]

Ah, numerology; the crazy old aunt of number theory, sort of like alchemy/chemistry or astrology/astronomy.

[itsabomberscope]

Incredible piece of art.

[SuperFinGuy]

Pretty inspiring picture indeed, makes you wonder if the painter knew anything about quantum physics or some similar metaphor about it?

[Woad25]

I really doubt that, the picture in question was created in 1514, that would be a good four hundred years before quantum mechanics. It predates even out understanding of the structure of the atom. So I'm sure it's just purely a happy coincidence.

[SuperFinGuy]

Well it is probably a coincidence but maybe the painter arrived at that number differently, like thought mathematics? Just a big if to think about.....

[singingbanana]

On the bottom row you can see 1514 too, which I believe is the year of the artwork.

[ricardjorg]

you can always add that to the wikipedia =D

[Forkboy193]

ooooooh, those! We always got them on our tests in junior high.

[harshm2u]

Fantastic!

[solomsolomol]

so the magic number appeared in the magic box !!? why am i not surprised : )

[Doogeedoo12]

That's a trippy coincidence, I say. Numerology squares and quanta.... weird.

[Squagnut]

Yeah, I love this kind of thing - numerology (minus the hocus-pocus, of course) is lots of fun.

[itsabomberscope]

looks masonic

[archaedemos]

Like sudoku . neat (;

[MrMario9208]

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