Jonah Goldberg: Herbert Hoover Was A Progressive

[thecocoabeans1]

man Herbert Hoover was a best pres ever.

[notredamehesamighty]

Hoover was most certainly not a progressive, not in the sense that we've come to use the word today. He sat on his hands and watched as the nation fell into disrepair in the Great Depression. His feeble attempts at help like the RFC was pathetic.

No man ever came into the office with as much promise and intelligence as Hoover... and no man every failed to live up to this promise as did Hoover. He was a very, very bitter and angry man at his death. 

[allencrider]

Another winger trying to rewrite history in service to the Great Lie -- conservatism.

[UncommonThinker]

@allencrider Its called google my friend. Look for yourself.  Its all true. Ever heard of the hoover dam? One of hoover's public works programs designed to get people back to work.

[TensorKhan]

Herbert Hoover was a self-proclaimed progressive and a huge proponent of the Efficiency Movement. These are only facts.

[PURVASHADASTAR]

@nurbSoldier Capitalists can't decide if and when that invisible hand is working it's magic.lol

Look at the Banksters and the insurance mafia. That's capitalism. The are operating on the profit motive, the fundamental principal of capitalism.

It's natural for so called "free market" capitalists to collude with government.

1) because they know that a free market is a myth

2)Because they depend on government more than anything else to protect them from the will of the majority.

[Buddy212002]

Bush was idiot, much like Jonah Goldberg is an idiot

[averitas]

Hoover indeed was a progressive.

Check out the arrests, blue eagles in the windows, what happened if you didn't charge a certain amount for something.

[specultr]

Hoover intervention: Smoot-Hawley (raising tariffs and choking off exports) and the "Treasury view" on economy (Mellon trying to balance the budget in a recession).

When FDR came to power, unemployment was at 24.9%, output was down 20%. FDR increased GDP by 10% a year.

Unemployment: 1934 (21.7%), 1935 (20.1%), 1936 (16.9%), 1937 (14.3%), 1938 (19.0% as FDR made the mistake of trying to balance the budget in a depression), 1939 (17.2%), 1940 (14.6%), 1941 (9.9%), 1942 (4.7%), etc.

[Mixophyrgian]

i can has job mom

cheetoes good

[JerezJulio]

It is Fox News after all, the land where Disney come short in remaking history.

At least he did not labeled Hoover a Democrat.

[iQuestion]

Goldberg is totally right. And still totally wrong. Both Bush and Hoover intervened but it still was never close to enough capital to jumpstart the economy. WWII saved the America economy and the safeguards FDR installed keep it going upward until the 1970's.

The End.

[narutofan1108]

Your history is all wrong. Bush, Hoover, and FDR did way too much. The New Deal made the depression worse. WWII didn't save the economy, capitalism did. Don't believe me? Look up Peter Schiff.

[EasyEs]

No the industrial monopoly the united states inherited when the rest of the industrial world was either socialist or a pile of rubble kept the USA economy upwards until the 1970s. When legitimate competition came in in the late 60s then things started to slide and the deficiency of socialism light started to show and bad.

[AndroidPolitician]

That or how in 1970 we liberalized the banking system leading to a lot of deregulation and problems. Look at the Golden age of capitalism and why America was so successful.

[EasyEs]

Care to document the regulations that were removed that caused lots of problems..

That is not true at all because the problems of the 70s were directly caused by price controls, inflation and over regulation of the economy..

Golden age of capitalism.? is this a book or something?

[AndroidPolitician]

The golden age of capitalism is more of a concept (hell there's a wiki article on it) but there is an insightful book by the same name.

The regulations holding it together was the Bretton Woods system which made it really hard for things like speculation and really any risky business for banks.

Basically we dropped out because we needed to spend more money on the Vietnam war with cash we didn't have and basiclly fucked up the rest of the world and our banking system.

[EasyEs]

Speculation isn't a bad thing..it is a good thing during times of of resource allocation..would you rather have the government allocating prices.. and speculators can lose money on bad bets which is why they invest hugely into new ones..

And banks in Canada didn't have regulations against risky loans our banks didn't make them because they A. Didn't have to because our government didn't make them. and B. the regulator had limited powers so they had to do their own homework on balance sheets.

[AndroidPolitician]

Well I'm guessing commercial and investment banks are kept strictly separate in Canada unlike in the US.

Also I doubt securitization is completely unregulated in Canada. In the US there's no rules against risky securitization and derivatives (i.e. companies can secure a loan without having any money to back that up if the loan defaults.)

[EasyEs]

No they are not kept separate..Securitization isn't unregulated in Canada..However there were no laws preventing Canadian banks from lending out $ that were bad and ended up defaulting..They were simply not force into it and there was no market for the crap that would have came out so they saw it was a bad idea and didn't do it.

[EasyEs]

Also funny things like setting the price of gasoline chicken, well almost all consumer goods..protectionist trade policies that favored old industries to the detriment of newer emerging ones..etc..

The rest of the world is poor because of their exterminations with Marxism of different flavors, little more..

[AndroidPolitician]

Protectionist policies help more then they hurt tbh.

Also no the "rest of the world" is poor because they either have limited resources or don't subsidize things to push for a better economy.

There's more poor capitalist countries then there are socialist.

[EasyEs]

Why did so many Latin American companies become stagnant in the 70s? They shut them selves of the market and uncompetitive. Why are there not Major Canadian Timer Companies. Why are there no Major Canadian Mining companies?

Not lack of natural resources...

Name some of these countries that are Capitalist that are poor..I saw that Michael Parenti video if that is what you are referring to..it doesn't fly..

[AndroidPolitician]

There's plenty of poor capitalist countries I mean right off the bat there's the waring countries (Iraq, Afghanistan etc.) there's Haiti, Somalia, Sudan etc.

It really wouldn't even be worth the time to name them all and no I don't even know who Micheal Parenti is.

Being capitalist doesn't automatically correspond with not being poor but not subsidizing markets to push them and lack of resources does.

[EasyEs]

A. Afghanistan is tribal largely, and the cities are corrupt with no real property rights and massive government tariffs. Plus they are at war.

Iraq has a skyrocketing GDP even in a time of war...

Haiti is free market? Sudan was never a free market..they were at war from about 1955 on..who is making trouble..Oh yeah Marxist armed by the Soviet Union.. Somalia is?

I mean Somalia the same Somalia who was the soviet unions Best friend in the Region.

Capitalist is not a dictatorship you know

[AndroidPolitician]

Somalia and Sudan are totally capitalist now but what ever.

"Capitalist is not a dictatorship you know"

bahahahaha look up Pinochet-era Chile, it was a free market military dictatorship and had crazy economic freedom and globalization.

[AndroidPolitician]

My main point is that countries with a good economy are usually attributed to many external factors and not just "free market freedom" I mean Hong Kong is by far the freest economy but 50% of the residents live in government housing.

If there was ever a Ayn Rand style super free economy it wouldn't work out very well.

[amartin7889]

@AndroidPolitician

Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia, and Sudan are capitalist countries? Based on what? I mean North Korea has some elements of capitalism, does that make them a capitalist country?

[EasyEs]

This is a better response to your bellow statement then I could provide..

watch?v=BzjXPNCs61M

btw thank you for being civil!

[AndroidPolitician]

Oh wow a HowTheWorldWorks video....

Its a shame the guy didn't mention China (not counting Hong Kong) and how its socialist and 83rd in the ease of doing business index but has the 3rd largest GDP because I doubt HTWW would of faulted him for using that.

[EasyEs]

Okay but China didn't raise out of poverty by allowing increasing government involvement rather allowing some private enterprise.

China is a mixed Economy with fascist control over the government who allows for business to operate unless they interfere politically.

Hong Kong was destroyed after world war 2..it was nothing but ruins but through the free market and trade it rose quickly to the highest GDP per capita then Canada..

[AndroidPolitician]

Canda's GDP: $1,510,957 million

Hong Kong's GDP: $215,559 million

And if your going by PPP then Luxumburg and Qatar are up top and are really low on the ease of doing business index. China is still considered socialist because it owns and plans a lot of its industries.

The point is there is no solid correlation between "free market" and economic growth otherwise China wouldn't have 3rd biggest GDP and Qatar wouldn't have the highest PPP.

[nurbSoldier]

Do you think that the fact that China has the most people in the world have ANYTHING to do with the fact that they also have the world's largest economy?

You also have to take into consideration the gradually increasing capitalist reforms since 1978.

[AndroidPolitician]

@nurbSoldier

Hmmmm lets see:

On the Ease of Doing Business Index China ranks 89th and on the Human Development Index it ranks 92nd.

So how exactly is a country, that has some of the worst business environments and worst standards of living, have the THIRD BIGGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD?

It's pretty obviously because they have lots of people :/

[nurbSoldier]

What makes an economy large is a large variety of variables. But the sheer number of people, over 1.3 billion has GOT to do something with it. Keep in mind that economies 1 and 2 (USA and Japan) are microscopic by comparison.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why that these 2 comparatively shrimp sized nations have so much larger economies than china. Also ask yourself why China was hardly a contender until well after Deng Xiaoping implemented many capitalist reforms starting in 1978.

[atripa645]

How about you ask yourself why capitalism works so well in a dictatorship like China and in failing terrible around the world. Democracy and capitalism are opposed to each other.

Capitalism depends on big government for it existence.

Look at the so called "free market" supporter's deeds.They are all colluding with government. The only real philosophy they have is profit.

Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class Al Capone

[atripa645]

it's*

[nurbSoldier]

China was a basket case before the capitalist reforms. It never showed up anyplace in the chart before 1978. After that time and since, China started making many head roads into market liberalization and also not coincidentally, prosperity. Capitalism is an economic system, not a political system.

Part of the Chinese market liberalization included the chinese government being more hands off. Before market liberalization, under Maoism, it virtually micromanaged everything.

[nurbSoldier]

Because capitalism is economic rather than political, it has worked in Kingdoms, Empires, Principalities, Democracies, even some dictatorships. Studies have shown that the more it is adhered to (capitalism), the greater prosperity for a nation, as well as greater personal freedom for those in the nation.

The only time when democracy and capitalism are enemies are when the population is ignorant, jealous, hate technology,hateful of success and/or wants free handouts

[nurbSoldier]

Capitalism is an economic system based on private property rights and the rule of law. It is therefore antithetical to big government. Only the crooked and those who are too cheap to pay for their own things demand big government. But that does not change the philosophy. Other businesses who demand big government are often those who want monopolies, to shut out competitors. This also violates private property because it claims illicit legal privilige.

[nurbSoldier]

Besides, when big government exists, the market ceases to be free. Freedom by definition, means without restraint.

There are many countries that have markets that function quite well and have their governments humble. Heritage has published a report showing economic freedom of the world. Those with more economic freedom/smaller governments have bigger economies that grow faster. They also average higher per capita of GDP. (the average person making more money)

[thedocumentarian]

@nurbSoldier HERITAGE? YOU'RE SOURCING HERITAGE?

Sir, did Heritage tell you about Sweden, Norway, Australia, Japan, France, Switzerland, and The Netherlands...they have bigger governments and they still have high GDPs and are democracies! Swedens GDP per capita is higher than the US!

[nurbSoldier]

@thedocumentarian Thanks for shouting at me about a discussion from 7 months ago, jackass. Yeah, I'm sourcing heritage. Find me a better source and prove to me that its better.

Besides, lets get to the heart of the matter. You don't actually care how much more effective big government is than free markets and free people. The fact is, you hate freedom. You think everyone else is stupid and needs to be pushed around with guns. You are too much of a pansy to do it yourself, of course

[Eastsideweezy]

@thedocumentarian GDP is a piss poor way to measure prosperity in this modern age of debt financed government. But I will take the bate. Please tell me during what period in Sweden's history did their GDP grow the fastest. They tell me during what period did growth stagnate and real wages in Sweden drop. While you are at it see it you can make the connection between the growth of the welfare state and government in Sweden and the slowing in growth of GDP.

Do the same with Canada

[nurbSoldier]

@atripa645, no, big government is the legitimate racket of the ruling class Al Capone. Government has the power to jail and kill. It makes rules and threatens with force those who disobey. It has an entrenched elite that is nearly impossible to remove. It makes extra laws that the people never even voted for. The states own members often get off scot free from breaking laws, this even includes low level people like police officers. Ever hear of the "blue code"?

[nurbSoldier]

Capitalism, by contrast, is the mere recognition of property rights. With capitalism, all exchanges are voluntary. How can you possibly compare legitimate buying and selling and other forms of volunteer exchange to gangsterism?

Maybe its because leftists hate freedom and people making their own choices. People like you seem to prefer a distant elite treating us like children and making our choices for us.

[PURVASHADASTAR]

@nurbSoldier oh is that what capitalism is? no.

Voluntary exchange was around way before capitalism. Capitalism is the exploitation of labor and the commons for the benefit of a few.

As you know, equal exchange is only possible under system of liberty for all.

[thedocumentarian]

@nurbSoldier Leftists hate freedom. So the leftists who want gays to marry freely or serve in the military freely is still...hating freedom right? Dumb turd.

[AndroidPolitician]

Are you serious? In 1913 China had the third largest GDP and has consequentially been in the top few spots GDP-wise.

The reason is pretty simple: lots of people and lots of resources.

Also the other advanced countries you've mentioned became like that because of intense WWII and post-war intervention.

[RuflessRecords]

HooverdotArchivesdotgovt--Gall­ery Two-- "A 1920 "New York Times" poll ranked Hoover among the ten greatest living Americans. Many of his countrymen in both parties hoped he would succeed the broken Wilson in the White House. Among them: Hoover's S Street neighbor Franklin D. Roosevelt. "He is certainly a wonder, and I wish we could make him President of the United States," wrote FDR. "There could not be a better one." " Also, the Progressive Party splitlater and onewing went more liberal

[RuflessRecords]

HooverdotArchivesdotgov, no t on the end

[tdpitt]

Super, you're being silly here. Expecting to hear "truth" from anything that Murdock has his hands on is sheer folly. Especially from Fox News, and ESPECIALLY from Johnnette Goldburg. His mommy, Lucianne "The Bat", used to "Lewinski" LBJ constantly... or, what she called him, "El B.J.".....

[RuflessRecords]

tdpitt, lame general rejection so you don't have to refute the specifics of what someone says. Are you saying Herbert Hoover was not a member of the Progressive Party in 1912 like Goldberg says? What news source do you have for this? There was a lot more haze over what the two parties believed in back then than today. For example the leftists now call Fascists rightwing, but in the 1920's, early 30's leftist socialists praised what Mussolini (former Socialist party member) was doing in Italy

[PersonalJesus348]

he was though. Just a half assed one. Say no to moderate ideals. You'll end up like him.

[Superplatanoman]

He said Herbert Hoover was a part of the progressive party of 1912, which is not true

[RuflessRecords]

superplatan, and your source for this claim is...you happen to have that official 1912Progressive Party roll lying around?

[RuflessRecords]

I looked this up, Herbert Hoover was a member of T. Roosevelet's Bull Moose Progressive Party in 1912, along with Harold Ickes, FDR's guy whose kid now is a Clintonista. Hooverarchivesdot gov--Gallery Two--says this as well (In 1920 when Harding got the nomination) "Hoover himself told friends he hoped to make the GOP into a strongly progressive party, of the kind Theodore Roosevelt had in mind. But when Republican delegates assembled in Chicago that June the Old Guard had its way."

[PersonalJesus348]

true, though he supported the bull-moose party.

[rehtnugtrah]

I could get all high-brow and indignant about what a hollow-head revisionist thug this guy is but suffice to say I just dont like him... he's an ill-informed little twerp. Much like high school, no one likes you so GO AWAY !

[jerrydoubleu]

The only reason Jonah has a column is to sell the watered-down Times, and make Zell money.

[amartin7889]

Examples of Hoover inaction:

Smoot-Harley

Revenue Act of 1932

Federal Home Loan Bank Act

Emergency Relief and Construction Act.

Yeah, a laissez-faire capitalist always advocates raising tarrifs, raising taxes, and providing federal funds to anyone that wants to own a home.

[nuumskee]

This is disrespectful he is the president! we should address him as such for he isnt a dude hanging out at your cook out but our leader so please give him due respect. For now on we should address him as President Obama and demand all media do the same. This will send message to the world that we respect our leader and that they should do the same.

[hippieCy08]

lol, historical revisionist and selective editing is something right wingers excel @....if its up 2 them....half of American history would be erased.

[bo3of]

The Progressive Party should rule America!

[bigge525]

One of the other things we forget is what a

sad, lying, pathetic cocksucker Jonah

Goldberg is...

[BadHombress]

bigge525:

Look it up dumbass. Hoover was a progressive (member of the Progressive Party from 1912). Like Michael Bloomberg, he changed his party affiliation to Republican when he felt that was the only way to get elected.

[valgehiir]

Glen Beck, Jonah Goldberg, Mr Coulter, Neil Cavuto and, oh, Hannity, my main man.. all nicely on Planet Fox,

where the air consist of various uppers, downers, screamers, laughers

[goraidersndodgers]

did you mean Mann Coulter?

[TiTSxxMcGEE]

haha well said

[Mel1334]

O_o

[MikeRocks25]

I can turn gray skies blue. I can make a ship sail on dry land. Picture snow flakes falling on a crowded beach; see the green leaves freezing in the trees. Imaging if you can a winter wonderland suddenly became summer sand.

[Starmexus84]

Well I hate to judge from such a short clip but that was the most idiotic thing I've ever heard from a major news cast....

[random0815]

lol things learned from this short clip:

bush was a progressive

progressives are all about "intervention"

non-intervention = do-nothing

[averyhoyt]

glen beck moved to fox? fucker!

[ZingZee123456789]

Fox News....at its BEST.

Lol, this is NOTHING compared bile the spew most of the time.

[SamHj08]

haha, Fox news... do you guys really have to say more?

[PandaAbomination]

I guess if you have to see every single break from laissez-faire ideology as 'progressive', then you could say that Hoover had some 'progressive' tendencies.

As Secretary of Commerce under Harding and Coolidge, Hoover favored regulation of commercial aviation and radio broadcasting, but believed that all other regulations should be voluntary.

While Hoover did eventually raise taxes and start a public works program, it was very small scale, and he still didn't regulate businesses.

[grazon]

Hoover also did some very nice humanitarian things before he was President.

Andrew Mellon though was no progressive though (google him).

[atripa645]

Yeah, And I guess Bush was a super big liberal too? lol. Police, Fire stations,internet,post office are all socialist programs. One of the biggest social programs is the V.A.

[nurbSoldier]

Fire stations are only socialist when they are not paid for via the market. The internet is light years from socialist. The control is distributed throughout many private companies and average american citizens like you and me. The post office is a joke. It is failing to pay the bills. The VA hospitals are run terribly, comparable to third world nations. Police are rarely helpful and often break the laws, because they know they can get away with it. They act as masters rather than servants

[atripa645]

1. Fire stations are socialist. Money is pool together for the benefit of everyone. "The market" doesn't pay for fire stations.

2)The internet is very socialist. With file bit torrent, free were ect. Don't worry private companies are working hard to privatize the internet.

3) "the post office is a joke" very weak argument. I would say corporate welfare is a joke. Republicans go in and gut federal programs and then say they don't work. Everyone knows it.

Nice Fox talking points

[nurbSoldier]

Complete nonsense. What Hoover did in office should be described as the 'New Deal Beta'. He nearly tripled the top income tax rate. He greatly increased public works spending by $150 million, in an attempt to go to 600 million. He encouraged states and municipalities to do the same. He increased regulations on broadcasting. He prevented use of federal forests for logging. He threatened regulations over the stock market.

[whoo689]

Hoover is the guy who enacted perhaps the worst tariff ever (or maybe 2nd worst after the so-called Tariff of Abominations), ignoring over 1000 economists who petitioned against it.

[Makron5]

This is proof that the republican party considers progress to be the destruction of America.

[ZingZee123456789]

Lol, your so right.

[amartin7889]

Goldberg might be an idiot, but he's actually correct on this issue.

Hoover as Commerce Secretary was very pro-regulation.

[blair227]

Damn these repugnicunts and their revisionist history.This is the same SOB that uses liberal and fascist together.Of course this could only be magnificent idiocy coming from Fux.

[squidb8]

Say what? Hoover was a what? He might need to come up with some examples of what Hoover did to try to jump start his economy.

[amartin7889]

Read Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression."

It will tell you about the failed policies of not only Hoover, but how the seeds were planted in the early 20's.

[squidb8]

already know how Hoover's hands off atitude allowed the economy to implode.

It's Amer Gov 101, its why the GOP took the back seat until Ike in 1953.

[amartin7889]

Actually, you wouldn't find anything about Hoover in American Gov 101.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

[squidb8]

Interesting you don't find fault in whether or not is was Hoovers inaction that cause the GOP to fall from grace for approx 20yrs. But instead where it was that I learned of this.

Maybe perhaps it is so I would have doubt and find a need to run to the book store and pick up a copy of your recommended book by your anarchist author?

[amartin7889]

I found it interesting that you touted your knowledge of depression economics that you somehow stumbled across in an American Government 101 class. Obviously, you've never sat in an American Government class. The subject isn't even brought up.

Ayn Rand would be proud. Rothbard isn't an anarchist. He's a Libertarian. Cite other sources by wikipedia. OR READ A FUCKING BOOK THAT HE WROTE.

[squidb8]

Such Language. Okay, depression Economics is brought up briefly to explain why there was a political shift from GOP to Democrat that lasted twenty years.

Secondly,Murray Newton Rothbard founded anarco-economics.

[amartin7889]

They describe why a historic event caused mood in the country shifted. That would be like saying Watergate is why the country voted Democrat. Whether you understand Watergate is never answered, just like why stating "GOP out of power" doesn't explain Hoover's policies.

Dude, stop dropping Rothbard's name like you know what his philosophy was about. There is a massive difference between Anarcho-capitalism and Social Anarchism.

Again, read a book by Mr. Rothbard. You won't be disappointed.

[nurbSoldier]

Actually Rothbard described himself as an anarcho-capitalist, as well as a libertarian.

[amartin7889]

Yes, you are correct. I shouldn't have said he wasn't an anarchist, but I was pointing out the difference between social anarchism and anarcho-capitalist.

[brabon1]

thank god that we still have asshats like jonah to kick around

how can i get a gig going on tv and spewing shit that i know nothing about?

[freesoul2005]

For Fox news, any one is progressive if he does not own a Ford truck with noose hanging behind.

[megs97216]

That man is retarded.

[greywolf4744]

no, you are.

[thehistorysage]

AHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah that's why Hoover used government funds to avert the crisis on Wallstreet right??? That's why he used government funds to feed those starving do to his crappy party's crappy financial policies right??? That's why he used government funds to help keep unemployment from slipping to dangerous levels right??? What a joke! Historical revisionism pisses me right the f off.

[greywolf4744]

smoot-hartley tariff of 1930... oh ya...

[KLNDR]

Is everything that comes out of that man's mouth idiotic beyond belief?

[dgreen2321]

Progressives were collectivists, simply put. It's what Liberals are turning into today. Unfortunately, Individualism, which is what this country was founded upon, is taking a back seat for the "greater good". Try reading some of Hitler's speeched/quotes. He says the exact same thing.

[dgreen2321]

Wow, you are all clueless. The truth hurts. Find out what "progressive" actually is please. Bush is not a true fiscal, free market conservative and neither was Hoover. If you can't see this, then OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES.

[someperson111]

The reason you guys are quickly becoming a regional party of the south is because things like FACTS are not what interest you. What interests you is spin, thats a serious problem that you should fix.

[dgreen2321]

Uhhh...I'm a Libertarian/Goldwater Conservative. So please, stop the neo-con bullshit. It's facts that don't interest liberals and socialists. Progressives were for controlling people's lives and interventionist policies in the economy. More government seemed good to them.

[atripa645]

Your party went the direction of the neo-cons because it was the natural course. The ideology of non-change and and "greed is good" is a proven failure. I don't think your scaring anyone into thinking working together is bad.

[dgreen2321]

The Libertarian Party went the direction of the neo-cons? What? Do you even know what neo-con means? The word "neo" means "new" dumbass. Government is NOT the solution, it's the problem.Hitler was a Collectivist. Mussolini was a Collectivist. They all talked about getting rid of the individual. The Founding Fathers created this country based on Individualism. The "natural course" is for government to get bigger, while liberty decreases. Hmmm....

[eirefrance]

You know, its funny, but for the past 15 years, neo-cons and paleo-cons have agreed on so much. They've voted together on so many similar issues. Its almost as if the divide you're claiming wasn't there when it mattered.

[dgreen2321]

"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual. We understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man. -Hitler

[SonoftheRepublic1776]

Keep up the good work. I've read Jonah's book, well, at least part of it, and it's amazing. These idiots commenting hear something they don't agree with and just say that Goldberg needs a history while they themselves haven't really looked into it and don't know what they're talking about. It's hardly worth trying to save these people. They won't change and they won't learn because they don't want to. Their minds are only open to ideas they like.

[someperson111]

LMAO, goldwater conservative. They are close to brainwashed in a failed ideology. You moronic clown.

[dgreen2321]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Failed ideology? Yeah you're right! Must be why America used to be the world's economic powerhouse until socialists took control of the country! Those Founding Fathers sure were idiots.....yeaaah riiight. Fucking dumbass. Enjoy socialism! It's coming to a country near you soon!

[Superplatanoman]

Hillarious. lol

[KataVideo]

This is the guy that also said that mussolini was a liberal? He's a reknowned idiot.

Hey Jonah: That early 90's "prison pussy" mustache and goatee doesn't make you look like a tough guy. it makes you look like a pussy with a mustache and goatee.

[uru86]

This guy serious?

[SonicBoom91]

herbert hoover didnt help poor people. o well. its their fault. LOL JK

[voyeurdug]

Herbert Hoover was a progressive/interventionist?

George W. Bush was a progressive/interventionist?

Goldberg is, then, a Muslim Jihadist????

Yeeaaaah.... ah,... no.

[yamwho74]

LOL! I LOVE your comment.

[nurbSoldier]

Hoover was a member of progressive organizations before going to Washington, look it up. Warren G Harding was pressured by the progressive members of the republican party to bring Hoover into his cabinet.

Bush described himself as a 'compassionate conservative'. He increased federal spending like no other president before, whether foreign or domestic. He increased environmental regulations. He catered to democrat sensibilities to get elected, all engineered by Karl Rove.

[snipzor]

Ow, my face hurts so much. This was a painful facepalm.

[CalexanderJ]

Soooo.... Bush is a Progressive???

Conservatives are rich, they're going to try and pawn Bush, the worst president ever, off on progressives. Well, we're not having it. We were against Bush 8 years ago, the anti-Bush bandwagon is already full.

[strylowskia90]

Much like Bush has been an interventionist? An interventionist to what?

[dralavant]

Exactly

[SonoftheRepublic1776]

You know, nationalizing banks and other gigantic businesses using money we don't have.

[prognost]

Um, he's absolutely right guys. Herbert Hoover was an avowed progressive in today's modern sense, he was against laissez-faire economics, pro-regulation and in favour of environmental conservation. The only thing that might be misleading is that he said Herbert Hoover was a member of the Progressive Party, which implies that he ran and was elected president as a Progressive Party candidate. He in fact ran as a Republican. But he was at an earlier point a member of Teddy Roosevelt's Progressives.

[terpis]

Bunk. For one, the TR-era progressives were elitist to the hilt, and often racist as well. Wilson was a big fan of "birth of a nation". They did some good stuff, but to call that "today's modern sense" is ridiculous.

He was no more a progressive 'in the modern sense' than was Frederick Taylor. Bullshitter.

[prognost]

Maybe, in the "modern economic sense" might have been a better way to put it. And the economic sense is the only one that really matters if we're talking about the Great Depression. That said, I don't that means that progressive economic policy was to blame for the Great Depression. It was cheap credit and little regulation to blame, just like today's economic trouble.

In Hoover's defense against your charge of elitism/racism, he did enact several policies to help the poor, seniors, kids, etc.

[hollygolightly66]

I didn't think it could happen but the neo-cons have done got themselves a bigger ass hat than Billy Kristol from the lucky sperm club.

[lilpeopleview]

talk about someone needing a history lesson!

[LorenzKamo]

Fox News... its over. O.V.E.R.

[terrence0258]

Conservatives will follow their leaders anywhere, but when they fuck up they will disown them in a heartbeat. You will never hear a democrat speak ill of Jimmy Carter's term or Lyndon Johnson for Vietnam.

[nurbSoldier]

Really? Then why did they call Lyndon a baby killer, a warmonger and a fascist back in the late 60's?

[Richardgwm]

They'll let any moron talk on tv.

[Emperordante]

um, who was that guy?

[PhiloCentinel]

Jonah Goldberg, conservative dipshit.

[biggerflexible]

It doesn't matter Obama is president now he will be arrested and silenced.

[nurbSoldier]

^ Typical liberal fascist. Believes that those with opposing views should be arrested.

[hollygolightly66]

His mommy was one of the leaders of the Clinton witch hunt. He thinks liberals are just like Hitler's nazi's - Glenn Beck has him on all the time. Starting to get the picture?