The problem is that the pop. has the 2 party system in their DNA now, & even that distorted by the fair & balanced lie machine that continuously pulls the whole dialogue to the right. But each side is so convinced that the other side is so evil, they either accept how their own party screws them or simply refuse to see it. Of course, candidate selection is all rigged as a private party, w/ prohibitively high barriers to being annointed a "legitimate" contender by the pontificating classes.
Control requires participation. Too many people are sitting back and pontificating, but don't even get up to vote. Few attend city council or state government meetings. And then are surprised when it all goes in the crapper.
I have considered myself a 'Neo-Luddite' for some time. In that i believe there have to be greater roles for people acting as people as opposed to in-concert-with-machines or machines-replacing-people. Calling the 'economic system' a machine only furthers my view that machines MUST BE THROTTLED or DESTROYED.
One example: Think how many steno pools have been outsourced with desktop software.
@fenderred1 Well the US Libertarians are not Liberals. They are a wacky bunch. Basically I think their philosophy can be summed up as "I got mine screw you."
@xexixk the whole libertarian movement has been hijacked by the radical right
those fuckers will take away rights even faster
any real libertarian whould see not just the failure of communism but they would see the failure of capitalism as well and how that system can result in authoriarian metheds (facsism)
@james1014328 All govs have some socialistic elements to them. Tax money for example is used to build and maintain roads, which are public property. What these morons don't get is that extreme dogmatic adherence to any ideology, and even worse trying to put it into practice, is dangerous. When actually looking at the things many of them advocate their slogan "Libertarianism is Freedom" is worthy of Orwell's 1984, it's on par with "Slavery is Freedom".
@fenderred1 Off subject, I have to vent. I've engaged with so many "libertarians" online here & I think I'm going to give it up. They yell "Libertarianism is Freedom" but the more I talk to many that expression has taken on a rather sinsister Orwellian meaning for me. I just had another round with one who wishes to abolish all child labor laws, and I've encountered many of them like that who said the same thing "Abolish all welfare programs and all child labor laws" I just don't get them.
In the UK after Margaret Thatcher sold of public owned passenger railroads the service & quality went down. Since profit was their primary motive, maintence went to the wayside, there were even some crashes determined to be caused by poorly maintained tracks. More delays and less dependable service after privitization as well.
One of the reasons that the working class is losing is because we're falling for the usual "divide and conquer strategy." Many of us are listening to the scapegoating and demagoging instead of working together. Everyone is an ideologue who can't work with people different than themselves. You got these tea partiers who are a bunch old world rednecks who think getting loud and being ignorant is going to change everything. They're fighting the wrong fight. They're corporate pawns now.
@nutblast23 Exactly you have the people who target illiegal immigrants as the source of all the woes, then those hung up on abortion, then those who go after gays (what difference does it make to another person what someone else does or doesn't do in their bedroom).
There wouldnt be any form of national debt if the little Ole bank down the road from you WASN'T laundering circulation via the peoples purported loan obligations.Please look at the root cause rather than symptoms,if you do? you will see a gov borrows in order to keep the circulation vital & the root cause of this is the FRUAD & THEFT of OUR WEALTH GROUND FLOOR via our promissory obligations before expansion,Indeed you will ALSO see money is NOT created as debt nor is there a loan to begin with.
(Continued) The protests ignited a strike that shut down the city’s economy. Bechtel was forced out. But not for long. Bechtel struck back with a $25 million law suit against the Bolivian government, claiming compensation for FUTURE lost profits under a bilateral trade treaty. Thank you NAFTA!
This is your best info. vid yet Ella. Water will become the new OIL! The water war erupted in Bolivia, when the World Bank refused to renew a $25 million USD loan unless water services were privatized in Latin America’s poorest country. After the public water utility in the city of Cochabamba [pop. over 500,000] was sold to Bechtel, Cheney's. corporation - water rates skyrocketed. The people of Cochabamba took to the streets, protesting the rate hikes and water cut-offs. (cont.)
you have a lot of the same feelings i have from a different perspective. the thing is how to stop it ? to stop it with violence is doing the very thing i wish to stop .. i have bin looking into the "freeman on the land " idea . it is growing have you heard of it and what do you think ?it is non violent and it is using your head from what i have learned
@MerulaMondlicht It looks to me like when the only way out of the Greek crisis is for Greece either to default on its debt, or to withdraw from the European Union and re-establish its own currency, which it can inflate. The latter probably offers more immediate pain, but also an opportunity for faster restoration - much as I understand Iceland has experienced after its own banking crisis a few years ago. And Ella is right - Greece is probably just a forerunner of our own imminent predicament.
@55ella2007k; You left out that the Federal Reserve, which is not federal, is largely responsible for the collapse. I would also argue that government at the federal level is too big. When government gets as big as it is it rules nearly every aspect of our lives...Example; TSA, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc. These things especially are the surest sign that we live in a tyrannical police state. And it's sad that most people don't even know or care what the "Bill of Rights" says.
@watertonrivers I tend to think you are right. Centralize power & all you do is make power a 1 stop shopping experience. I prefer a more balkanized version of this country - which, btw, is what the founders really wanted. I think there is more than 1 intellectually valid way to conduct a government, & yoking the states together by imposing uniform rules destroys part of the vitality of this nation's design. Strong, differentiated states give ideas the chance to fully succeed or fail.
@FeelFreeToArgue Yes, I agree, government was never meant to be so massive. Such governments have collapsed throughout history, Rome, Greece, etc. I think the US will be no different. It will topple because it is so top-heavy, unless by a near miracle, the trend is reversed.
One of the main reasons why so much fraud, corruption and waste exists to the extent that it does in government, is because big business is the largest beneficiary of it, and makes sure that penalties for it are as small as possible. Politics is "the shadow cast over society by big business" - John Dewey
No, gov. is not too big but there are too many relatives, (Nepotism) and corrupt people in agency given the freedom to steal money. And they are. Read this book and you will get a great grasp of what the bigger picture is of our problems. " Stealing The Market", by Martin Mayer. Perhaps you will be blessed with an idea of how to go about 'fixing' things. Have a great nite. :) (The SEC is in with the criminal ring in our gov.)
@Tigerpaws9097826 Have you read his book "Death of the Liberal Class" or seen any of his talks about it here on youtube? If not I highly reccomend it.
@billybobhobnob101 The government isn't the problem... The morons who support it's vast destructive influence of gigantinormous proportions are. Don't vote.
What's most disturbing to me, Ella, is how many seem to think the answer is "Ron Paul 2012 !!!"
After arguing w/a few of these idiots, I have to conclude that they ARE as stupid as all that. Top it off w/a dollop of selfishness (especially among the under 40 crowd who don't give a damn about those of us who paid into social security our whole lives, for example).
I wish it was only the "elites" that were the problem, but it's the little asshats as well. We're sunk. Great commentary tho'
@TripleSpeak In my experience they are super self absorbed people who think that the revolves around them and THEIR rights, but the rights of others? Not so much. They would deny this, but when you really listen to what they say this is the implication. They remind me of a little kid stamping his feet and screaming "IT'S NOT FAIR!" when they have to do something they don't want to do, which they translate as "that's a violation of my individual liberty".
@TripleSpeak The Ron Paul people - "libertarians" - are deluded utopians. Libertarianism is the polar opposite of Marxism and like Marxism it sounds nice on paper but in the real world would lead to multiple nightmares.
@Maiyanna It's not a question of public or private, but whether or not there's competition, demand, profit-motive and innovation as well as lack of regulation that will result in good service.
@Maiyanna It's not about saving money, they don't care about saving money. It's about corporations getting their clutches into even more property, infrastruture and services to loot even more money.
@Maiyanna Yes, water the one resource that is absolutely essential to life and now it's in the hands of some private company. If one can't get water or access to it then they die. Do we really want a private entity to have control of something that essential for life itself?
@james1014328 Yes but the frightening thing is the number of people bying into this growing Libertarian movement, all of them I seem to talk to are so utopian in their views thinking it is the answer to all ills and it's not. It has serious fundamental flaws that would lead to catastrophe.
these people don't consider the rights of others just there own witch makes them hypocrites accroding to there libertarian ideas
these folks don't get it that there is no such thing as deregulation cause everything has rules
like the reagon ''revolution'' it was a shift in goverment policy all the laws protecing the working class were gone new laws put in that serve the super rich
they point of the failures of communism but never the failure' of capitilism
@james1014328 Exactly. They remind me of a spoiled little kid who doesn't get his way and has a temper tantrum stomping his feet and screaming "BUT IT'S NOT FAIR!!!" They seem to think we are a sea of indviduals, that society doesn't exist and the world revolves around them the individual. Sorry to tell them but it doesn't work that way, never has and never will.
@james1014328 *2/2* She didn't give a shit about the fact they to were human beings. For all of claims of rights and people didn't have the right to use force unless it was in response to force against you (and given her sociopathy I imagine and transgression, real or imagined, she would consider force if it involved her personally) I think in a parallel world she have been a genocidal maniac.
@james1014328 Oh well most actual libertarians do criticise the wars and military actions, etc. and in terms of corp welfare they are convinced that a complete and unregulated market will prevent corp welfare. But their economic views and radical view of indvidualism (to the point of ingringing on the rights of others) as well as a radical view of property rights (they seem to think that all of people's rights are based in their property) would make for disaster
@xexixk true there has never been a market independent of goverment capitalism whould have never expaned if it were not for military counqest the us has a history of haveing the most protectionist economic policys in the world
not any more thanks to nafta and wto lol
i agree freedom is a more higher concept than the limited catigory of property rights
capitalism has never exited with out goverment if they want it that way they can try somalia
@james1014328 Yes you are right. Wealth does not create jobs. Jobs create wealth. Not a single CEO or industrialist would have what they have if it were not for the labor of other working in/for their companies. Henry Ford may have been able to build a few cars with his own labor but never would have had Ford Motor Co. or his wealth if not for the labor of those workers on the assembly lines in his factories.
i live here down in florida and are governer is a total hypocritical shitbag
he is already making efferts on privitzing the water utility systems and dismantiling local goverments
and passing dracionian laws one example forcing state employes to take a piss test and paying for it when you fail it the money still goes to the state and to people who recieve food stamps he is trying to control the habits of people ecspecialy poor folks
@james1014328 I have read about some of that. Then of course there is that dirt bag in Maine trying to gut child labor laws - longer work hours - even during school year - and allow them to pay them below minimum wage (I think that would contridict the federal minimum wage law). Great so that could well cause many to hire only or primarily high school kids at that lower rate and thus put more adults out of work and unemployed adults could have even more diffculty finding work.
i wish there was a mass movment against these proto fascist's here in florida and else where but there is a protest against offshore drilling here that is a start we know what happened the last time we had offshore drilling lol
@james1014328 The masses won't wake up until they can no longer afford to feed themselves and the way things are going that may not be far off. Another economic crash wouldn't surprise me at all, which would be an even more devistating crash than the last one we are still dealing with.
these millionares and billionares are declaying the biggest class war on middle class and working class familys the biggest i have seen in my life time damn we need to orginize lol
@james1014328 They are very myopic thinkers, b/c as I said before about people not being able to feed themselves, then the masses will wake up. And few things are more threatening to the sability of a state than a citizenary that can no longer feed itself (ask Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI)
@james1014328 As far as I am concerned Ayn Rand was sociopath. For all of her claims about the importance of the individual she seemed to loath and despise those people who were from what she considered to be lower or inferior societies or cultures. Read what she had to say about the American Indians or certain other groups of people. She seemed to judge their value as humans by the tech progress or lack of it in their particular society *1/2 CONT*
@LouieArrighi I'm against for profit water as well, I believe water should be a basic human right and if one seeks to deny another water they should be called a criminal. Its like charging people to breathe or take a crap. Lets call a spade a spade and a crime a crime.
@MadXMax187 privatized water in Buffalo starting late 80s- rate up 900%- these guys use public water and laid not one foot of pipe- they only replace pipes when they break and the water quality is down.
@MerulaMondlicht basically they can just hand over the country to the bank...awesome deal for those that lent them money they didnt have either lol...ugg...
Greece is a good example of a country that voted itself more welfare than they could afford. Now that they are faced with that fact, they kick and scream and demand their unaffordable pensions and call themselves, "anarchists".
The problem is that the pop. has the 2 party system in their DNA now, & even that distorted by the fair & balanced lie machine that continuously pulls the whole dialogue to the right. But each side is so convinced that the other side is so evil, they either accept how their own party screws them or simply refuse to see it. Of course, candidate selection is all rigged as a private party, w/ prohibitively high barriers to being annointed a "legitimate" contender by the pontificating classes.
FeelFreeToArgue 8 months ago
Control requires participation. Too many people are sitting back and pontificating, but don't even get up to vote. Few attend city council or state government meetings. And then are surprised when it all goes in the crapper.
Be Well.
distorteddogma 8 months ago
Good video.
I have considered myself a 'Neo-Luddite' for some time. In that i believe there have to be greater roles for people acting as people as opposed to in-concert-with-machines or machines-replacing-people. Calling the 'economic system' a machine only furthers my view that machines MUST BE THROTTLED or DESTROYED.
One example: Think how many steno pools have been outsourced with desktop software.
morelshaman 8 months ago
@fenderred1 Well the US Libertarians are not Liberals. They are a wacky bunch. Basically I think their philosophy can be summed up as "I got mine screw you."
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk the whole libertarian movement has been hijacked by the radical right
those fuckers will take away rights even faster
any real libertarian whould see not just the failure of communism but they would see the failure of capitalism as well and how that system can result in authoriarian metheds (facsism)
under communism some are more equel than others
under capitalism some are more free than others
but i dont think all forms of socialism are bad
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 All govs have some socialistic elements to them. Tax money for example is used to build and maintain roads, which are public property. What these morons don't get is that extreme dogmatic adherence to any ideology, and even worse trying to put it into practice, is dangerous. When actually looking at the things many of them advocate their slogan "Libertarianism is Freedom" is worthy of Orwell's 1984, it's on par with "Slavery is Freedom".
xexixk 8 months ago
all true
war is peace. ignorance is strength. greed is good. freedom is slavery.
james1014328 8 months ago
@xexixk its like orwell said the establishment will always rewrite history to suit there idealogical needs
this is what the so called libertarains are doing but they are neo fascists in disguise
who want to make the gilded age sound like gold
james1014328 8 months ago
@fenderred1 Off subject, I have to vent. I've engaged with so many "libertarians" online here & I think I'm going to give it up. They yell "Libertarianism is Freedom" but the more I talk to many that expression has taken on a rather sinsister Orwellian meaning for me. I just had another round with one who wishes to abolish all child labor laws, and I've encountered many of them like that who said the same thing "Abolish all welfare programs and all child labor laws" I just don't get them.
xexixk 8 months ago
In the UK after Margaret Thatcher sold of public owned passenger railroads the service & quality went down. Since profit was their primary motive, maintence went to the wayside, there were even some crashes determined to be caused by poorly maintained tracks. More delays and less dependable service after privitization as well.
xexixk 8 months ago
One of the reasons that the working class is losing is because we're falling for the usual "divide and conquer strategy." Many of us are listening to the scapegoating and demagoging instead of working together. Everyone is an ideologue who can't work with people different than themselves. You got these tea partiers who are a bunch old world rednecks who think getting loud and being ignorant is going to change everything. They're fighting the wrong fight. They're corporate pawns now.
nutblast23 8 months ago
@nutblast23 Exactly you have the people who target illiegal immigrants as the source of all the woes, then those hung up on abortion, then those who go after gays (what difference does it make to another person what someone else does or doesn't do in their bedroom).
xexixk 8 months ago
Those people wants to control life itself! Damn, it makes me so angry!
bjorinn 8 months ago
There wouldnt be any form of national debt if the little Ole bank down the road from you WASN'T laundering circulation via the peoples purported loan obligations.Please look at the root cause rather than symptoms,if you do? you will see a gov borrows in order to keep the circulation vital & the root cause of this is the FRUAD & THEFT of OUR WEALTH GROUND FLOOR via our promissory obligations before expansion,Indeed you will ALSO see money is NOT created as debt nor is there a loan to begin with.
chotaboy66 8 months ago
THE WEATHER IS BEING CONTROLLED BY THE GOV THROUGH DOPPLER RADER TOWERS! WHAT WILL THE PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY FINALLY WAKE UP?
cantore35 8 months ago
(Continued) The protests ignited a strike that shut down the city’s economy. Bechtel was forced out. But not for long. Bechtel struck back with a $25 million law suit against the Bolivian government, claiming compensation for FUTURE lost profits under a bilateral trade treaty. Thank you NAFTA!
suepeuler 8 months ago
The Shock Doctrine is a truly scary book. I got through it, but I had to stop a number of times.
CelticReject 8 months ago
250BOYCOTT! Check it out, it's time. Peace & Sovereignty.
professormaxtrinity 8 months ago
This is your best info. vid yet Ella. Water will become the new OIL! The water war erupted in Bolivia, when the World Bank refused to renew a $25 million USD loan unless water services were privatized in Latin America’s poorest country. After the public water utility in the city of Cochabamba [pop. over 500,000] was sold to Bechtel, Cheney's. corporation - water rates skyrocketed. The people of Cochabamba took to the streets, protesting the rate hikes and water cut-offs. (cont.)
suepeuler 8 months ago
you have a lot of the same feelings i have from a different perspective. the thing is how to stop it ? to stop it with violence is doing the very thing i wish to stop .. i have bin looking into the "freeman on the land " idea . it is growing have you heard of it and what do you think ?it is non violent and it is using your head from what i have learned
acesas 8 months ago
@MerulaMondlicht It looks to me like when the only way out of the Greek crisis is for Greece either to default on its debt, or to withdraw from the European Union and re-establish its own currency, which it can inflate. The latter probably offers more immediate pain, but also an opportunity for faster restoration - much as I understand Iceland has experienced after its own banking crisis a few years ago. And Ella is right - Greece is probably just a forerunner of our own imminent predicament.
Tigerpaws9097826 8 months ago
@55ella2007k; You left out that the Federal Reserve, which is not federal, is largely responsible for the collapse. I would also argue that government at the federal level is too big. When government gets as big as it is it rules nearly every aspect of our lives...Example; TSA, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc. These things especially are the surest sign that we live in a tyrannical police state. And it's sad that most people don't even know or care what the "Bill of Rights" says.
watertonrivers 8 months ago
@watertonrivers I tend to think you are right. Centralize power & all you do is make power a 1 stop shopping experience. I prefer a more balkanized version of this country - which, btw, is what the founders really wanted. I think there is more than 1 intellectually valid way to conduct a government, & yoking the states together by imposing uniform rules destroys part of the vitality of this nation's design. Strong, differentiated states give ideas the chance to fully succeed or fail.
FeelFreeToArgue 8 months ago
@FeelFreeToArgue Yes, I agree, government was never meant to be so massive. Such governments have collapsed throughout history, Rome, Greece, etc. I think the US will be no different. It will topple because it is so top-heavy, unless by a near miracle, the trend is reversed.
watertonrivers 8 months ago
One of the main reasons why so much fraud, corruption and waste exists to the extent that it does in government, is because big business is the largest beneficiary of it, and makes sure that penalties for it are as small as possible. Politics is "the shadow cast over society by big business" - John Dewey
greggh 8 months ago
No, gov. is not too big but there are too many relatives, (Nepotism) and corrupt people in agency given the freedom to steal money. And they are. Read this book and you will get a great grasp of what the bigger picture is of our problems. " Stealing The Market", by Martin Mayer. Perhaps you will be blessed with an idea of how to go about 'fixing' things. Have a great nite. :) (The SEC is in with the criminal ring in our gov.)
Licmycat 8 months ago
Chris Hedges was right. We are undergoing a corporate coup.
xexixk 8 months ago 2
@xexixk I just became familiar with Chris Hedges yesterday - he's terrific.
Tigerpaws9097826 8 months ago
@Tigerpaws9097826 Have you read his book "Death of the Liberal Class" or seen any of his talks about it here on youtube? If not I highly reccomend it.
xexixk 8 months ago
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@xexixk I have not done so yet, but thanks for the recommendation - I will check it out!
Tigerpaws9097826 8 months ago
@Tigerpaws9097826 Would love to hear your thoughts on it.
xexixk 8 months ago
@MerulaMondlicht Because asking a super obese person to intake 9000 calories instead of 10000 is the equivalent of austerity, right? Moron.
Sivels 8 months ago
@PressForFreedom The government is a monopoly in and of itself.
Sivels 8 months ago
Government isn't the problem- putting people in the government who have a vested interest in proving government doesn't work is a problem.
billybobhobnob101 8 months ago
@billybobhobnob101 The government isn't the problem... The morons who support it's vast destructive influence of gigantinormous proportions are. Don't vote.
Sivels 8 months ago
What's most disturbing to me, Ella, is how many seem to think the answer is "Ron Paul 2012 !!!"
After arguing w/a few of these idiots, I have to conclude that they ARE as stupid as all that. Top it off w/a dollop of selfishness (especially among the under 40 crowd who don't give a damn about those of us who paid into social security our whole lives, for example).
I wish it was only the "elites" that were the problem, but it's the little asshats as well. We're sunk. Great commentary tho'
TripleSpeak 8 months ago
@TripleSpeak In my experience they are super self absorbed people who think that the revolves around them and THEIR rights, but the rights of others? Not so much. They would deny this, but when you really listen to what they say this is the implication. They remind me of a little kid stamping his feet and screaming "IT'S NOT FAIR!" when they have to do something they don't want to do, which they translate as "that's a violation of my individual liberty".
xexixk 8 months ago
@TripleSpeak The Ron Paul people - "libertarians" - are deluded utopians. Libertarianism is the polar opposite of Marxism and like Marxism it sounds nice on paper but in the real world would lead to multiple nightmares.
xexixk 8 months ago
Our water and trash removal are privatized and the service is awful. Our taxes still went up.
Maiyanna 8 months ago
@Maiyanna It's not a question of public or private, but whether or not there's competition, demand, profit-motive and innovation as well as lack of regulation that will result in good service.
Sivels 8 months ago
@Sivels - I do think government is too big, but theses services were better when they were run by the town. No money has been saved.
Maiyanna 8 months ago
@Maiyanna It's not about saving money, they don't care about saving money. It's about corporations getting their clutches into even more property, infrastruture and services to loot even more money.
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk - That's true, our water company is owned by a global investment bank. Most people have no idea, they don't think to do the research.
Maiyanna 8 months ago
@Maiyanna Yes, water the one resource that is absolutely essential to life and now it's in the hands of some private company. If one can't get water or access to it then they die. Do we really want a private entity to have control of something that essential for life itself?
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk fascism is on the march once again
but this time people are somewhat more aware of it
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 Yes but the frightening thing is the number of people bying into this growing Libertarian movement, all of them I seem to talk to are so utopian in their views thinking it is the answer to all ills and it's not. It has serious fundamental flaws that would lead to catastrophe.
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk
these people don't consider the rights of others just there own witch makes them hypocrites accroding to there libertarian ideas
these folks don't get it that there is no such thing as deregulation cause everything has rules
like the reagon ''revolution'' it was a shift in goverment policy all the laws protecing the working class were gone new laws put in that serve the super rich
they point of the failures of communism but never the failure' of capitilism
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 Exactly. They remind me of a spoiled little kid who doesn't get his way and has a temper tantrum stomping his feet and screaming "BUT IT'S NOT FAIR!!!" They seem to think we are a sea of indviduals, that society doesn't exist and the world revolves around them the individual. Sorry to tell them but it doesn't work that way, never has and never will.
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk
and for the record corporations are not people
these any rand fanatics are simular to the facsist ideology goverment being used to protect privite property above all
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 *2/2* She didn't give a shit about the fact they to were human beings. For all of claims of rights and people didn't have the right to use force unless it was in response to force against you (and given her sociopathy I imagine and transgression, real or imagined, she would consider force if it involved her personally) I think in a parallel world she have been a genocidal maniac.
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk
she was rascist as well
you know the funnyest thing is that most of these libertarian's will rally against big goverment but never against
ecsesive military spending/ proibition / anti gay laws corporate welfare subsides ect. they tend to only attack social programms
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 Oh well most actual libertarians do criticise the wars and military actions, etc. and in terms of corp welfare they are convinced that a complete and unregulated market will prevent corp welfare. But their economic views and radical view of indvidualism (to the point of ingringing on the rights of others) as well as a radical view of property rights (they seem to think that all of people's rights are based in their property) would make for disaster
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk true there has never been a market independent of goverment capitalism whould have never expaned if it were not for military counqest the us has a history of haveing the most protectionist economic policys in the world
not any more thanks to nafta and wto lol
i agree freedom is a more higher concept than the limited catigory of property rights
capitalism has never exited with out goverment if they want it that way they can try somalia
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 Yes the fail to see the connection between corp power, the market and wars abroad
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk i think the problem is finanice capital not productive capital
if there is one thing i get tired of is wealth is what creates jobs i say its the other way round
when working class folks have money to spend that create more demand then more jobs
of course the average person never get's a tax cut but the super top 1% always do witch is unfair
the super rich never spend there money they take it out of the country and invest it in themselfs
i think they are the real waste
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 Yes you are right. Wealth does not create jobs. Jobs create wealth. Not a single CEO or industrialist would have what they have if it were not for the labor of other working in/for their companies. Henry Ford may have been able to build a few cars with his own labor but never would have had Ford Motor Co. or his wealth if not for the labor of those workers on the assembly lines in his factories.
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk
i live here down in florida and are governer is a total hypocritical shitbag
he is already making efferts on privitzing the water utility systems and dismantiling local goverments
and passing dracionian laws one example forcing state employes to take a piss test and paying for it when you fail it the money still goes to the state and to people who recieve food stamps he is trying to control the habits of people ecspecialy poor folks
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 I have read about some of that. Then of course there is that dirt bag in Maine trying to gut child labor laws - longer work hours - even during school year - and allow them to pay them below minimum wage (I think that would contridict the federal minimum wage law). Great so that could well cause many to hire only or primarily high school kids at that lower rate and thus put more adults out of work and unemployed adults could have even more diffculty finding work.
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk damn thats bad
i wish there was a mass movment against these proto fascist's here in florida and else where but there is a protest against offshore drilling here that is a start we know what happened the last time we had offshore drilling lol
there trying to drag us back to the gilded ages
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 The masses won't wake up until they can no longer afford to feed themselves and the way things are going that may not be far off. Another economic crash wouldn't surprise me at all, which would be an even more devistating crash than the last one we are still dealing with.
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk true
these millionares and billionares are declaying the biggest class war on middle class and working class familys the biggest i have seen in my life time damn we need to orginize lol
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 They are very myopic thinkers, b/c as I said before about people not being able to feed themselves, then the masses will wake up. And few things are more threatening to the sability of a state than a citizenary that can no longer feed itself (ask Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI)
xexixk 8 months ago
@xexixk indeed
james1014328 8 months ago
@james1014328 As far as I am concerned Ayn Rand was sociopath. For all of her claims about the importance of the individual she seemed to loath and despise those people who were from what she considered to be lower or inferior societies or cultures. Read what she had to say about the American Indians or certain other groups of people. She seemed to judge their value as humans by the tech progress or lack of it in their particular society *1/2 CONT*
xexixk 8 months ago
Michigan is selling off their lakes to for profit water (Dansani).
LouieArrighi 8 months ago
@LouieArrighi Michigan is a piece of shit state that charges residents for the water in the great lakes anyways. Experience: I live there
MadXMax187 8 months ago
@MadXMax187 water treatment costs money, but when those are sold off expect to pay a lot more.
LouieArrighi 8 months ago
@LouieArrighi I'm against for profit water as well, I believe water should be a basic human right and if one seeks to deny another water they should be called a criminal. Its like charging people to breathe or take a crap. Lets call a spade a spade and a crime a crime.
MadXMax187 8 months ago
@MadXMax187 privatized water in Buffalo starting late 80s- rate up 900%- these guys use public water and laid not one foot of pipe- they only replace pipes when they break and the water quality is down.
billybobhobnob101 8 months ago
Well said.
mutexnet 8 months ago
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LouieArrighi 8 months ago
@MerulaMondlicht basically they can just hand over the country to the bank...awesome deal for those that lent them money they didnt have either lol...ugg...
jsmythib 8 months ago
the government is not the problem..PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM!!(*GCarlin) ...When if all falls apart people will suddenly remember whats important again.
jsmythib 8 months ago
Greece is a good example of a country that voted itself more welfare than they could afford. Now that they are faced with that fact, they kick and scream and demand their unaffordable pensions and call themselves, "anarchists".
SPQRomantic 8 months ago
@SPQRomantic They're a bunch of children,
Sivels 8 months ago