That's got nothing to do with a spring. Somebody with too much money and not enough tailwheel experience. He's dancing all over the rudder before it happened. Immediately before it started its final swing to the left, he added a huge input of left rudder, which in conjunction with the wind, started a rotational momentum that he couldn't control. He did this to himself! You need more than a Red Bull paint job to make up for incompetence! "Those who will"?? Spoken like a true incompetent!
@sanfranciscobay the airframe needs to be inspected by a certified mechanic, and price varies with what they find. I guarantee it was multiple thousands of dollars
Sorry don't buy the tailspring story, this was caused by total lack of experience, you can see from the vid he had full right rudder but apparently forgot about using any brake, he might have a legit excuse if he said right brake failed. Just buy more red bull and all will be fine.
I don't care what people say. It hasn't happened to me because I know how to fly a tail dragger. You are the one with the problem because you still haven't learned how to land a plane so you try to put your curse on everyone else. All you can do is speak for yourself. I would be happy to teach you the finer points of landing a taildragger especially in a crosswind. However, I doubt you could afford my rates.
@yesterway Many hours in many severe crosswinds and off airport. Never looped one yet, but close. When the tower closed the field due to wind, my comm inst and I went out and shot touch and goes. I remember when full rudder wouldn't do the job, but he showed my how. That old timer taught me things that have saved my life in the last 40 years. I really don't care about the nay sayers. I've never bent one in several thousand hours.
@nottooold13 Your story is interesting and I would have loved to have received some instruction from the old timer you speak of. Did you notice that the At-6 in the video was taxiing with the flaps down? Another no no and another indication of not paying attention. The best thing he did was to put the thing back in the hangar. Thanks for posting.
The T6 does not have tailwheel springs. You lock the tailwheel by pulling back on the stick like a 51. He just does not have a natural feel for the airplane. This is not his first or last. He did everything wrong at the wrong time.
@robertwaldo Correct. Lack of experience and proper training. People who lack skill are the ones who say "it happens to the best of us". That's like saying everyone gets in a car accident which is also untrue.
@parkert51 No it doesn't! Speak for yourself. It is clear this pilot did not know how to manage this aircraft on the ground. An AT-6 is about as stable an aircraft as your going to find. He simply stopped flying the airplane and it did it's own thing. Tail wheel aircraft will make a pilot out of you. I trained in an AT-6 to make the transition to a P-51. Never ground looped in either because I was trained properly.
@yesterway I have 12,432 hours in taildraggers. If you are saying it never happens to you then your a fricking liar. I fly with some of the best conventional geer pilots in the us. I fly T-6 texans, P-51s and F4Us. It happens to all of us. It may be a brainfart but fly long enough and it will happen to you.....
@parkert51 Again, speak for yourself. I said I have never ground looped. If that bothers you then that's your problem.You need to be careful who you call a liar because you don't know what tomorrow will bring.
@yesterway Well friend if you have never ground looped you must have never flown a tailwheel. I have trained to many pilots and have never had a new tailwheel student that didnt loop........Talk to other pilots and they will say the same, it happns to all of us....
@parkert51 and if you analyze what happened, you were asleep at the stick..... just like the dude who lands gear up with the horn screaming full blast. My old timer 70 yr old inst taught me 45 yrs ago to keep my head out of my ass when I'm in an airplane. For better or worse, he is still the voice in my head talking me through every manuver. Thanks old friend.
What lost tailwheel spring? He just lost the landing, the plane rolled perfectly straight after that. Did it self repair after the bounce before the taxiway? Taildraggers tend to do this, the heavier they are the more likely it is you will not be able to stop it once it starts. Btw you can very well land straight with a missing spring. (got the T-shirt)
Poor plane! But good recovery. I saw there was no crosswind, so at first I was guessing either left-brake drag or tailwheel spring fail. Pilot handled that very well.
@SenorSpode No crosswind? Are you daft? See the wind sock starched out straight? Hear the wind blowing in the microphone? See the grass move straight left to right ?
@sbd45acp I see the sock in a different clip, not as the plane lands. If there was indeed any wind, let alone a crosswind, the dust at touchdown would've drifted away faster; instead, it merely wafts around. However, notice the dust during and after the ground loop? That is because the pilot applied some power, the prop churned that up. As far as wind on the mic: most mics will pick up any wind. You're seeing fleas on a stuffed dog, friend.
@SenorSpode Are you watching the same Video? I clearly see the T-6 crabbing in the flare at 0:39-0:40 whilst hearing the wind on the microphone. Did they splice the shot of the windsock in from a DIFFERENT flying day to fool all of us? When the AC ground loops the dust from the wheels in the dirt quickly moves off, BEFORE the power is applied. I flew my first tail dragger 31 years ago. Obviously I have a lot to learn.
You can plainly see opposite full rudder and the elavators up with full back pressure on the stick when the tail comes around. Looks like he lost the tailwheel (spring) when the tail wheel impacts the ground first in a pretty hairy crosswind landing.Appears the pilot was doing all he could against the tail wheel that was going the wrong way. Try pushing a tricycle backwards down a narrow sidewalk as hard as you can on a really windy day and you will understand
At least it's repairable and no injury. My brother-in-law is an old airplane mechanic, and certified to work on about anything. Been to his shop quite a few times and about crapped learn the cost of ANYTHING to do with an airplane. I'll stick to cars and boats... damn an $800 engine valve.
@brianszoo A J3 cub will certainly ground loop, but at only 900lbs, it will happen a little slower than a T-6. The lesson here is - at landing, keep the nose of the plane heading straight down the runway using the rudder and stick all the way back to keep the tail down...
I hear the t6 was a good trainer for p51 pilots that it was always harder to control than the p51. ouch. hopefully not a lot of damage. so what happened anyway? spar damage?
Poor guy. Something I've seen happen with so many various T-6 tail gear assemblies is (as a mechanic who owns 2ea T-6's) pilots don't always have a chance to have their hands in the inner workings of different T-6 tail wheel types. At :48 rudder slams full right, tail starts full left. Can be caused by a 51 style tail wheel pin being sheared into full swivel by jamming a brake (didn't see him do that) Or jammimg the rudder on a Maule Scott type assy declutching to full swivel. Or cable break.
That's got nothing to do with a spring. Somebody with too much money and not enough tailwheel experience. He's dancing all over the rudder before it happened. Immediately before it started its final swing to the left, he added a huge input of left rudder, which in conjunction with the wind, started a rotational momentum that he couldn't control. He did this to himself! You need more than a Red Bull paint job to make up for incompetence! "Those who will"?? Spoken like a true incompetent!
kw757 2 weeks ago
This plane look like those converted Japanese planes used in the film "Pearl Harbor"
SSUstufRudel 3 weeks ago
That sucks hard!
flyboyfx 1 month ago
poor texan t-6 D:
extra330LT 1 month ago
What needs to be done after an accident like that and how much are the estimated costs or repairs, inspections...?
sanfranciscobay 1 month ago
@sanfranciscobay the airframe needs to be inspected by a certified mechanic, and price varies with what they find. I guarantee it was multiple thousands of dollars
flynmid 1 month ago
Wow, he tried hard to prevent the loop. Pitty about the damage.
darrindwp 1 month ago
Sorry don't buy the tailspring story, this was caused by total lack of experience, you can see from the vid he had full right rudder but apparently forgot about using any brake, he might have a legit excuse if he said right brake failed. Just buy more red bull and all will be fine.
jumpinjack1 1 month ago
Those that have and those that will
baotmarina 1 month ago 2
I don't care what people say. It hasn't happened to me because I know how to fly a tail dragger. You are the one with the problem because you still haven't learned how to land a plane so you try to put your curse on everyone else. All you can do is speak for yourself. I would be happy to teach you the finer points of landing a taildragger especially in a crosswind. However, I doubt you could afford my rates.
yesterway 1 month ago
@yesterway Many hours in many severe crosswinds and off airport. Never looped one yet, but close. When the tower closed the field due to wind, my comm inst and I went out and shot touch and goes. I remember when full rudder wouldn't do the job, but he showed my how. That old timer taught me things that have saved my life in the last 40 years. I really don't care about the nay sayers. I've never bent one in several thousand hours.
nottooold13 1 month ago
@nottooold13 Your story is interesting and I would have loved to have received some instruction from the old timer you speak of. Did you notice that the At-6 in the video was taxiing with the flaps down? Another no no and another indication of not paying attention. The best thing he did was to put the thing back in the hangar. Thanks for posting.
yesterway 1 month ago
I DIDNT KNOW THE NAZIS INVADED TEXAS
muzeklijstje 2 months ago
Like so many, I've done this too but I was more lucky and only had to dust the wing tip off and start again. I prefer nose wheels...
skunkjobb 2 months ago
Toni + Walter Eichhorn. Love them. They are one of my friends neighboors.
winnipegfiredep 2 months ago
The T6 does not have tailwheel springs. You lock the tailwheel by pulling back on the stick like a 51. He just does not have a natural feel for the airplane. This is not his first or last. He did everything wrong at the wrong time.
robertwaldo 2 months ago
@robertwaldo Correct. Lack of experience and proper training. People who lack skill are the ones who say "it happens to the best of us". That's like saying everyone gets in a car accident which is also untrue.
yesterway 1 month ago
lrn hw 2 fly u kunt
wbgoaf 2 months ago
Ouch, happens to the best of us.
parkert51 2 months ago
@parkert51 No it doesn't! Speak for yourself. It is clear this pilot did not know how to manage this aircraft on the ground. An AT-6 is about as stable an aircraft as your going to find. He simply stopped flying the airplane and it did it's own thing. Tail wheel aircraft will make a pilot out of you. I trained in an AT-6 to make the transition to a P-51. Never ground looped in either because I was trained properly.
yesterway 1 month ago
@yesterway I have 12,432 hours in taildraggers. If you are saying it never happens to you then your a fricking liar. I fly with some of the best conventional geer pilots in the us. I fly T-6 texans, P-51s and F4Us. It happens to all of us. It may be a brainfart but fly long enough and it will happen to you.....
parkert51 1 month ago
@parkert51 Again, speak for yourself. I said I have never ground looped. If that bothers you then that's your problem.You need to be careful who you call a liar because you don't know what tomorrow will bring.
yesterway 1 month ago
@yesterway Well friend if you have never ground looped you must have never flown a tailwheel. I have trained to many pilots and have never had a new tailwheel student that didnt loop........Talk to other pilots and they will say the same, it happns to all of us....
parkert51 1 month ago
@parkert51 and if you analyze what happened, you were asleep at the stick..... just like the dude who lands gear up with the horn screaming full blast. My old timer 70 yr old inst taught me 45 yrs ago to keep my head out of my ass when I'm in an airplane. For better or worse, he is still the voice in my head talking me through every manuver. Thanks old friend.
nottooold13 1 month ago
@parkert51 Bull oney.... look carefully. Little to NO aileron input.
nottooold13 1 month ago
What lost tailwheel spring? He just lost the landing, the plane rolled perfectly straight after that. Did it self repair after the bounce before the taxiway? Taildraggers tend to do this, the heavier they are the more likely it is you will not be able to stop it once it starts. Btw you can very well land straight with a missing spring. (got the T-shirt)
MrPeagee 2 months ago
like my Dad says, there are those who have and there are those who will
4thgenpilot 3 months ago
He really pissed after that loop.
emp29 3 months ago
Poor plane! But good recovery. I saw there was no crosswind, so at first I was guessing either left-brake drag or tailwheel spring fail. Pilot handled that very well.
SenorSpode 3 months ago
@SenorSpode No crosswind? Are you daft? See the wind sock starched out straight? Hear the wind blowing in the microphone? See the grass move straight left to right ?
sbd45acp 2 months ago
@sbd45acp I see the sock in a different clip, not as the plane lands. If there was indeed any wind, let alone a crosswind, the dust at touchdown would've drifted away faster; instead, it merely wafts around. However, notice the dust during and after the ground loop? That is because the pilot applied some power, the prop churned that up. As far as wind on the mic: most mics will pick up any wind. You're seeing fleas on a stuffed dog, friend.
SenorSpode 2 months ago
@SenorSpode Are you watching the same Video? I clearly see the T-6 crabbing in the flare at 0:39-0:40 whilst hearing the wind on the microphone. Did they splice the shot of the windsock in from a DIFFERENT flying day to fool all of us? When the AC ground loops the dust from the wheels in the dirt quickly moves off, BEFORE the power is applied. I flew my first tail dragger 31 years ago. Obviously I have a lot to learn.
sbd45acp 2 months ago
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pgshacker 3 months ago
Ja der Elzer Flughafen mit den beiden Red Bull Fliegern.Die sind doch immer beim Flugtag Elz dabei richtig?Auf jeden Fall Gutes Video
IGtaI15 3 months ago
He might have been cussing when he realized his plane was acting up, but I could definitely hear him cuss when his wing hit the ground.
Shmey 4 months ago
red bull blows
shrimpboatcaptain1 4 months ago
Och, so ein Pech :-( aber euch is nix passiert und deshalb auch gut so- übrigens, wart ihr das 2009 in Zeltweg?
Kobradelta1000 5 months ago
You can plainly see opposite full rudder and the elavators up with full back pressure on the stick when the tail comes around. Looks like he lost the tailwheel (spring) when the tail wheel impacts the ground first in a pretty hairy crosswind landing.Appears the pilot was doing all he could against the tail wheel that was going the wrong way. Try pushing a tricycle backwards down a narrow sidewalk as hard as you can on a really windy day and you will understand
sbd45acp 6 months ago 4
@sbd45acp
xactely!
u totally understood and analysed well! thanx!
..as i wrote in subtext: 'landing mishap - after loss of tailwheel-spring..'
peteruppert 5 months ago
@peteruppert Too bad about the damage to the wing. Looks substantial.... was the main spare damaged?
sbd45acp 5 months ago
@sbd45acp
i guess walter had to replace the whole right wing..
peteruppert 5 months ago
@peteruppert
That is no "loss of tailwheel-spring" as that "gadget" you mention does not exist on the T-6. It's simply loss of control...
rgoubitz 3 weeks ago
@sbd45acp What about the tailwheel spring missing? Upload your video landing an aircraft without it... *grin*... :)))
underverser 2 months ago
@sbd45acp i hate taildraggers.. nothing like a tricycle gear......
inbound1000 2 months ago
@sbd45acp Think it would have been lessened if he had raised his flaps immediately? I knew that they act like sails in a crosswind landing..
liamtnelson1 1 month ago
At least he kept the plane tail up!
BillyRosinet 6 months ago
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7GolfAlpha 6 months ago
Watch his rudder inputs. He put in enough right rudder to stop the swerve. Obvious mechanical malfunction.
streamer47 6 months ago
Loss of a tail wheel spring????? That's just a T-6. It wants to do that until you shove it in the hanger.
TheTodd2u 6 months ago
wow that sucks now the whole plane will need to be checked out inside and out for any stressed spots.
nibbler125 6 months ago
well it did back into the parking spot....
cloudkissr 6 months ago
At least it's repairable and no injury. My brother-in-law is an old airplane mechanic, and certified to work on about anything. Been to his shop quite a few times and about crapped learn the cost of ANYTHING to do with an airplane. I'll stick to cars and boats... damn an $800 engine valve.
mnpd007 7 months ago
*shrugs* It happens, and speaking as an AP, I'm sure it was fixed. Too bad it happened in a beautiful T6 and not an Aeronca Champ or something.
ejlister 7 months ago
1 question how much?
nolifemerc 7 months ago
@brianszoo A J3 cub will certainly ground loop, but at only 900lbs, it will happen a little slower than a T-6. The lesson here is - at landing, keep the nose of the plane heading straight down the runway using the rudder and stick all the way back to keep the tail down...
deweypug 8 months ago
I hear the t6 was a good trainer for p51 pilots that it was always harder to control than the p51. ouch. hopefully not a lot of damage. so what happened anyway? spar damage?
straighttailpilot 9 months ago
@brianszoo Duh
cessna182tpilot 10 months ago
Very sad.
SerginhoD 10 months ago
Done that a few times . After it gets to started you're only along for the ride.
wrh61 11 months ago
does redbull have to deface evrthing??????????
drod103164 1 year ago
Poor guy. Something I've seen happen with so many various T-6 tail gear assemblies is (as a mechanic who owns 2ea T-6's) pilots don't always have a chance to have their hands in the inner workings of different T-6 tail wheel types. At :48 rudder slams full right, tail starts full left. Can be caused by a 51 style tail wheel pin being sheared into full swivel by jamming a brake (didn't see him do that) Or jammimg the rudder on a Maule Scott type assy declutching to full swivel. Or cable break.
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an8pilot 1 year ago
OUCH!
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
They say the at6 was a good trainer for the p51. p51 pilots say that the at6 is harder to control than the p51
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
Heh, he relaxed for just a moment and boom , ground loop
Polybun 1 year ago
May I have permission to use this video to show my tailwheel endorsement students a ground loop?
Charon58 1 year ago
@Charon58 sure! always welcum..
cheerz pete
peteruppert 1 year ago
did u bend the spar?
crapper1 1 year ago
Ist doch EDFY ....glaub ich.
Ist ja Gott sei Dank glimpflich ausgegangen.
ThePawnee 1 year ago
A grizzled old pilot once told me this; "There are two types of tailwheel pilots: Those who have ground looped and those who will"
blze0001 1 year ago
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TheTodd2u 1 year ago
Didn't look too bad at first, but the damage looks qiute extensive? Glad evrything is ok with the people onboard!
aukanmeister 1 year ago 2