Theological Explanation for the Trinity: One God, Three Persons and the Incarnation part (2/3)

[Szygyify]

The Gospel of John Jesus claims to be the Messiah the Son of God, Jews accuse him of blasphemy Jesus is the Son of God therefore equal to God. Jesus is logos theos close to ton theon he is the monogenes uios theos of tou theou, he claims that ton theon is the only true God and that the Father is greater but Jesus will raise himself up but John states that he was raised. Jesus I AM is o kurios mou and o theos mou to Thomas, lord of me and god of me affirming divinity breaking Granville rule.

[robinenman]

god is Jehovah.

Jesus is not Jehovah....

Jesus is the Angel MICHEAL

[Mkvine]

@robinenman

Can you show that Jesus is Michael from scripture?

[smartalvy]

Trinity makes sense in this way

red color+green color+blue color =WHITE color

Father + Son + Holy Spirit = One God

[2222pauline]

So with all that. Who was JESUS? answer-GOD One God and there He stood.

Creator of everything that was and is. Not to be insulting but trinity folks wont to say He was Gods little boy or 1/3 of who God is. I try to show, that WAS HIM-

in the Flesh. Jesus said my Father and I are one. 1Jn 10-30

[2222pauline]

You are a three3 part being. Body- Soul -Spirit are you three3?

Don"t know your name lets say it it TIM. I ask where is TIM? answer

He is -in the Flesh. Is your Flesh You or is you Soul and Spirit You?

I have a friend that says God the Logos is so absolutely BIG all of God wasn t in JESUS. Bible say the Fullness of the God Head was-in the Flesh. Col 2-9

[2222pauline]

Isa 44-8 Isa 44-8 Isa 45-6 Isa 45-6 Isa 45-21 Isa47-8 Isa 47-8 Isa47-10

Hos 13-4 Zep 2-14 ALL these say One God and None beside me.

How many Gods do You think there are? trinity folks get into trouble when they say three3 persons.

One God  not three3 persons, Only One Person--->JESUS

Jesus is, was and is-- God-- in the Flesh. Ask the question please?

Where was God? He was in the Flesh

--------------------->stop thinking trinity think one god

you may see Him then

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

You got into the scripture shooting contest which I already told you not to engage in. Either way, none of those verses from Isaiah, Hosea and Zepheniah pertain to the Holy Spirit being named Jesus. You completely ignored my question and you did not deal with my answer to John 14. Let me ask you again, can you give me one verse in which the Holy Spirit is named Jesus?

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine I have three 3 times gave you bible verses. read them scroll down. I am not trying to be rude hopefuly informative. But if you wont except my verses then I can t show you that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all Names Jesus to Your satisfaction. You wont to believe in three3 then believe in three3. I tryed to show You one GOD in one Person and JESUS is His NAME

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

I read all your comments. You did give me Bible verses, but most of them were irrelevant to my question about the Holy Spirit being named Jesus. The only possible verse that actually answers that question was John 14, and I already responded to it. Unless, you were talking about another verse, then please show me so that I can interact with it. Either show me the verse or admit that it doesn't teach that so that we can continue further.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine No------------- CLICK on 2222pauline

ITs more than I had and I found it

under here

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

So do you have the verse says the Holy Spirit is named Jesus or not?

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

"CLICK on 2222pauline"

I noticed that you spammed other people with this slogan. Please do not spam my channel or videos or else I will block you. Consider that a polite warning. Please interact with my question and provide me the verse about the Holy Spirit being named Jesus or I will have to conclude that you have no such verse and therefore your position is untenable and even heretical. In fact, this heresy has been condemned by the Church, its known as Sabellianism.

[mitttou]

@2222pauline sorry for the interfering cuz i'm not a christian.How can you think that a person who eats, drinks... can be god of a world that existed thousansds of years before that person was born.

Personnally, i believe in one god (one entity not a trinity or else), the god who was and is eternally alive, who created the galaxy, the god of Noah, Salomon, Moises, Jesus, and Mohammed...

[2222pauline]

Its all in the Name JESUS. Our L-O-R-D , GOD and many other explainations of who He is.

But His Name that was given is----> JESUS

[2222pauline]

You probley know the meaning of the word L-O-R-D there are many others it s who Jesus is.

Thomas said he wouldn t believe Jesus was alive unless... Jesus Showed Him and then He called Him L-O-R-D and GOD. Jn 20-28

Why wont you believe He is?

There is ONLY one Name Given. Acts 4-12

I am trying to show- not be rude

[2222pauline]

NO trinity

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

Wow, I think the most convincing part of your statement was the capital letters on the "no."

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine If you like that . read the next. -----> Only One GOD

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

We profess One God in our Apostolic Creeds. Thanks.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine Lets go another step. Gods Name is --->JESUS John 5-43

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

John 5:43 doesn't say "God's name is Jesus." It says that Jesus came in his Father's name.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine And what was EMMANUELs NAME? Mt 1-23

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

Emmanuel means "God with us" which is what Jesus was called.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine Yes LORD- adonia- Johovah nici- johovah shilo-johovah jira-Emmanuel ---->is who he is

---------------but His NAME is----> JESUS to his face they called him Yahweh in there launguage is----Jesus

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

Yeah, what's your point?

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine The Point is in the NAME? Remember No trinity, just One1 God? Who He is was --> in the Flesh 1 Tim 3-16 --God. but His Name is --> JESUS ALL POWER is given in that Name. Matt 28-18 Php 2-10 cast out demons----------in JESUS name pray for Healing------------in JESUS name All manner of miracles---in Jesus Name but babtise in some other way? I ask this Question ? 1. What is the Name of the FATHER? 2. we agree on the Name of the Son 3. What is the Name of the Holy Ghost?

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

I'm sorry, but in all sincerity your logic escapes me. I don't know how you are concluding that because God's name is Emmanuel that this means there is no Trinity. In regards to God the Father, God told Moses his name in Exodus 3:14. I am unaware if Scripture gives the Holy Spirit a name. However, I know that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all share one name Mat 28:19.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine With trinity logic , there is three3 persons. This is incorrect.  Jesus the Flesh is the express image of His person. Heb 1-3 Adonai-Jahovah the L-O-R-D God was in the Flesh 1 Tim 3-16 Emmanuel

Philip asked to see the Father Jn 14;8-9 he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. Jesus said He come in my Father"s Name Jn 5-43. He said the comforter He would send in His Name Jn 14-26

You said the Father son and holy ghost share one Name Mtt 28-19 Is that Name -->JESUS?

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

You still did not explain how the name Emmanuel disproves the Trinity. Hebrews 1:3 does not say Jesus is the "image of his person." 1 Tim 3 does not specify that the Father came in the flesh. John 14 is addressing the issue of knowing the Father through his Son, Christ. John 5 doesn't say the Father's name is Jesus (I already corrected you on this). John 14:26 doesn't say that the Comforter's name is Jesus. Posing a question to Matt 28 does not prove the name was Jesus.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine Matt 28-19 Babtize-------> in the name of

the name of the father is--------------> JESUS

the name of the son is-----------------> JESUS

the Name of the Holy Ghost is-------> JESUS

L-O-R-D, God,ADONAI, Jahovah, elohim, elshadi, johovah nici is who he is. but his Name is--> JESUS

1Ti 3-16 in the FLesh

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

Matthew 28:19 does not say that the Name was "Jesus." You are inserting that into the text. Show me one verse that says the Holy Spirit or God are named Jesus.

[Mkvine]

@Mkvine

Correction: Show me one verse that says that the Holy Spirit or the *Father* are named Jesus.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine I can not really believe it .I have shown you. Jesus is the father

I have shown you the Holy Ghost came in His Name.

Emmanuel is GOD with us. How many Gods are there? there He is

I told you, Philip asked to see the Father and Jesus said thats me, I am He ,if you have seen me you have seen the father.

Why wont you believe JESUS is HE? in the FLESH

And You say show me one verse. I have

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

Alright, lets take this one at a time because I don't want to get into a scripture shooting context. I have not seen you show me a verse where it says that the Holy Spirit or the Father are *named* Jesus. So, just to keep it short, show me one verse that says that the Holy Spirit's name is Jesus. When you have done so, we can move on to the Father and all the other stuff.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine Jn 14-26 comforter in my Name

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

Thanks for keeping it short. John 14:26 says "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." All this verse says is that the Holy Spirit will be *sent* in Jesus' name, not that He is actually named Jesus. Sending in the name of someone is technical language which denotes being sent with the same authority.

[2222pauline]

@Mkvine YES -YOU SAY- one god BUT THEN YOU SAY - IN THREE3 PERSON

I stop at One GOD

[Mkvine]

@2222pauline

Yeah because that's what Scripture, Tradition and the Church teaches.

[pcbarter]

Another point to ponder , A temptation would not be a temptation if it could not be done. then for Jesus to have been tempted by the devil it was things he could, have done.And act of worship etc. If he is also the father how could he be tempted? So what if jesus had surcomed? That would have to have been an option, for it to be a temptation. Would he spilt himself up , one part Bad and 2 parts good?

[Mkvine]

@pcbarter

Yes, when you are tempted there are two choices to make: the good or the bad. Jesus in his human nature genuinely was tempted, but he always chose good. That is what makes him pleasing to the Father. By virtue of his union with the Divine Nature, it would have been impossible for him to succumb to sin because God is all-good.

"If he is the Father..." Jesus is not the Father, he is the Son; two distinct persons. The Person of the Son assumed a human nature.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine I have 3 questions for you.

1. Do you believe what Jesus said in John 14:11?

2. Do you believe Jesus is the Father?

3. Do you believe GOD is all wise and gave us the bible to teach us?

[Mkvine]

@markpaghi

1. Yes

2. No

3. Yes

Question for you, in Colossians 1:17, how can a creature exist before creation?

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine 1. Then we can do greater things then GOD.

2. Then you do not believe John 10:30, 14:9.

3. If GOD being all wise knows how to teach us simple minded humans, why do you suppose every single word of the trinity doctrine is NOT found in the bible? For ex: trinity, co eternal, co equal, incarnation, fully god, fully man, triune, three persons one god, hypostatic union, eternally begotten, dual nature, man-god, GOD in the flesh, human nature, divine nature, etc.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine Would it matter if I responded to Col 1:17? Regardless, He is Before all things - Figuratively Superior, that is, Above All Things. Col 1:16 - First by is "en" second by is "deah". Both highly broad words - En=a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between G1519 and G1537)

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine Dia(deah)=a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act. On the other hand can you find scripture that says something was made BY God? Or can you only find scripture that says God MADE, simply put. Now can you find scripture that says Jesus MADE, or By Him were MADE? May seem insignicant but it matters. Now in V.17 we also see created=ktizo. In Genesis 1:1 - the greek septuagint word for create is poieo. Also in Gen 1:27, 2:3, etc. We can see this is two different meanings.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine Let's expound on this a little further. God's word for creating or making is different from Jesus' word for creating. We see the same word for Col 1:17 used in Eph 2:10 - We are created in Christ. In greek=ktizo=fabricate, found (found a city for ex), to completely change or transform. Now we are getting somewhere - How did Jesus completely change or transform all things in heaven and earth? Heb 1:2- through whom he Made (poieo) the worlds (aion) Aoin is different then Kosmos.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine Kosmos is used in verses like John 3:16 - for GOD so loved the world. But heb 1:2 uses aion. Used also in Eph 2:7, Col 1:26, etc. So we can clearly see that a study of greek words would open our understanding - If we just look at scripture we are trusting men to intepret the bible for us - rather we should study diligently to show ourselves approved and rightly divide the word of truth - 2Tim 2:15. We cannot come to a conclusion based off of bad greek study and eisegesis.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine I often spend countless hours studying and pondering God's Word. All for what? So that someone may eat the fruits of my labor - that is what. That someone may learn and grow from my labor, and that I may be able to answer people when they question my faith. Peace and GOD Bless.

[Mkvine]

@markpaghi

I am making a video series addressing all your objections. I already posted up my first video.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine These were not objections just simple little verses here and there. IT wasn't something I planned and formulated, it was just a spur of the moment deal. Regardless, I won't watch anymore of your videos, it is a waste of time and foolish to argue about the deity of the god man jesus. I follow Yeshua and his GOD Yehovah, the GOD of Israel. You've been warned that the trinity is idolatry - you have the scriptures - you can find the truth if you search the scriptures like Yeshua said:Tanach

[Mkvine]

@markpaghi

I really don't care if your going to watch the video, I am making them for my subscribers, so be expecting more videos refuting your other claims. I will go through each one of them.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine Obviously you feel the need to Boast like you have wisdom. Why would you not care if i watch them or not? Obviously you do not care about my eternal destiny. But Wisdom is shown by her deeds. Like i said, these were not claims or reutations - i sent a couple verses. If you want to show your wisdom - Show me from the OT where the messiah is supposed to be GOD in the flesh. It should be full of proof.

[Mkvine]

@markpaghi

You said, you won't watch the videos, thats fine with me - it's your choice. I'm merely answering your objections and showing them to my subscribers. Whether you watch my videos or not, is not going to stop me from making them. You said that you did not make claims or refutations, just send a few verses. That's fine, as I said before, I will be going through those verses.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine Yes because the videos are silly and if you truly cared you would not need to make a video - you would talk to me directly - a message or something. All that video will cause is strife and arguments - All the hate speech and name calling directed towards me because I do not agree with the teachings of babylon. Seems you are just waiting for a "target" like it is prey or something, waiting to pounce and "Spread your wings of wisdom to SHOW the world"

[Mkvine]

@markpaghi

You sound very paranoid of me making videos. If you don't like them, don't watch them, its that simple. I'm doing this for my subscribers.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine how do i sound paranoid when i type? Anyways, why would you do this for your subscribers when I am the one you should be reasoning with? You still disregarded my comments - God Truth is very important - Why do you act so non chalant about it? We can go over scriptures one verse at a time - but you will bring a trinity bias into it - you are not an honest truth seeker - Most christians aren't willing to think they are wrong - But Woe to whom the deceptions come by.

[Mkvine]

@markpaghi

I'm doing this for my subscribers so that they can learn how faulty your arguments are. If you don't like it, then too bad for you.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine Alright well i can see you are puffed up with pride. You dont care about showing people truth, if you would we would discuss scriptures One by One.

[markpaghi]

@Mkvine When Jesus died, did he go to heaven or Hell?

[jetleeklate]

how come there are many gods..it shows weakness..the only god is Allah..Allah done everything without any help from any parties..a god is really really strong and almighty..it is not right to think that god have son..having son make god just as same as human..is it offensive..??

[Mkvine]

@jetleeklate

We don't believe there are many gods. If you look at our creeds, we always confess that there is only ONE God. If you look at our scriptures we believe that there is ONE God. If you look at our catechism it says that there is only ONE God. If you look at our Church Fathers, they say that there is only ONE God. So I'm a little confused as to where you are getting this notion that there are "many gods."

[shotgunmessenger96]

God is One, He is The Father. The Son was Gabriel The Arch Angel who became man for our redemption. The Holy Spirit was Michael The Arch Angel.

[Mkvine]

@shotgunmessenger96

How was the Son the angel Gabriel when it was Gabriel who appeared to Mary and said "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus" (Luke 1:31). Why didn't Gabriel say "I will be in your womb and I will be your son"?

[QuantumUni]

@Mkvine, He's a mormon or Jehovah I presume.

[k0smon]

This makes as much sense as does the sacrament where bread and wine become the blood and body of Christ.