To think that when they flew XR220 supersonically, they only engaged ONE afterburner & the TSR 2 pulled away from Jimmy Dell's Lightning- an aircraft capable of ferocious acceleration, with BOTH burners at full chat! I suspect the official performance figures for TSR 2 were extremely conservative. The Lightning was the ONLY NATO fighter that caught Concorde in a tail chase intercept competition in 1985, the F-15 got blown off. Just how fast would TSR 2 have been??
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH Agreed, Roland "Bea" Beamont only got to fly XR-219 Supersonic once, so I also think we are yet to know exactly How Fast She really was/is (after all we still have both of XR-219's Sister planes ; )
I must admit i didn't know that about the Lightning, although i'm not surprised
(she is after all known as "The Flying Engine"), plus she impressed one Saudi Test Pilot so much he said afterward... "You British are so modest, she's EVEN FASTER than you said she is" ; )
@TSR1989FF The Saudi test pilot would be the guy who said he had to fly the Lightning supersonically after only a few hours dual training! The RAF conversion course onto Lightning took 12 mths! He was advised by Bea not to use reheat on take off under any circumstances-considering his lack of experience. Needless to say, he did & the Lightning's performance caught him off guard completely! He did not get the undercarriage up until he was at 28,000 ft!!! ROFL
Best ever warbird destroyed by American politics. The technical achievments could not be matched by any nation at the time. The Russians already planned to make an interceptor to cope with the threat. The Americans ruled the military and political world with bribery, corruption and sanctions against any nation that were better able to succeed were they were not capable. Great video, thanks very much, danke!
@m4xpl4nck Very True, TSR-2 from her Maiden Flight in 1964 indeed had no equal.
Until the "Tupolev Tu-22M" (1969) "Tupolev Tu-160" (1981) the Soviets had no equivilant to her, the US also didn't have a comparable Interdictor till the "B-1 Lancer" of 1974 (which unlike TSR-2 was spared from total cancellation), as the earlier "F-111" was inferior to TSR-2 in both Performance & Avionics.
I beleive the Interceptor you refering to is the "MIG-25 Foxbat", a Rakish yet also rather Beautiful Fighter.
@TSR1989FF Correct. The Russians were quick to realise the potential of the TSR 2 and therefore the huge threat it represented. It would undoubtedly have been the most potent strike aircraft in the NATO arsenal. They did indeed commission the Mig 25 'Foxbat' as a response. How ironic that the duplicious, envious Americans & spineless socialist British politicians destroyed the TSR 2. A national disgrace & tragedy in equal measures- our aviation industry never recovered.
It was indeed a national tragedy, as not just BAC itself but also many Supporting Industries that suffered as a result of the 1965 axing (including Marconi / EMI / Ferranti & many more [most of which are now gone forever]).
It was the 1957-65- Goverments' refusal to keep the Aviation Industry Healthy & as such repeatedly kicking it in the teeth it that is why we can't even successfully replace the Nimrod now, or pursue Home Projects' like the "BAE Replica".
@commander979 Well i've read there was a Carrier version of the TSR-2 Considered in the late 50's, although as far as i know it never progressed beyond the concept stage & infomation on it is limited at best.
It wasn't unusual though (even then) for Aircraft to be designed / later modified for Multiple roles, the TSR-2's spritual predecessor (& the Aircraft she was to have replaced) the "English Electric Canberra" is argueably the most successful in this aspect of capablity & adaptability.
@commander979 Indeed, by that dark day in 1965 there were 17 TSR-2's
(Total of Aircraft Completed & under various stages of Construction), of which "XR-219" had flown & "XR-220" was due to have her first test flight (but cruelly the Project was cancelled only days before she could do so, & all requests afterward were refused).
While there is conjecture as to who ordered the Project materials & "XR-219" Destroyed the
US Goverment & "General Dynamics" played a Active role in the TSR-2's demise.
@commander979 I've haven't encountered anything though that imply's the Yank's made us choose between TSR-2 & Concorde, although the two are related as TSR-2's Engine Technology & other innovations proved vital to the Concorde project.
The "Panavia Tornado" though was developed from the "AFVG" (in essence a Anglo-French Aircraft based on TSR-2), & also benefits from Avionics Technology designed originally for TSR-2.
apart from "Politics", TSR-2 got everything else just right.
Pictures and even old film, fail to do justice to such a futuristic aircraft trapped in history. In spite of the draconian scrapping (similar to the current Nimrod debacle) two lovely examples are worth "sneaking up and touching!" RAF Cosford and Duxford some how beat the total destruction order and have held on to STILL THE BEST LOOKING AIRCRAFT. By sheer look I was able to take the best ever photograph of the TSR2 outside in the sunlight.........it will rarely go outside again.
You can get a couple of after market decal sheets in both 1/72 and 1/48, depicting a lot of 'What If' versions, including one from the Swedish Air Force.. should I ever make one, which I hope to do, it might well be a Swedish 'Whiff'.. :) :)
Nice video :) Interesting tribute, thanks :) I really like the TSR :) The plane (apart from the cockpit and nose) reminds me of the Eurofighter Typhoon or the Tornado. The picture at 3:18 is my Profile image on my other channel, UltimateTutorials16 :)
@2002And Well those two Fighter-Bombers are indirectly decended from her, much of the technology developed for the TSR-2 Eagle benefited Concorde & the Tornado (the tornado was in fact chosen right after Thatcher's goverment study into resurrecting TSR-2 decided that the programme was too far gone, but much of TSR-2 innovations lived/live on).
@TSR1989FF I see, thanks :) I may well build the TRS by Airfix in 1:72 Scale - actually I will - I'll search around for a kit and tell you when the Video is uploaded :)
Hi guys I am from Australia, we had a man by the name of Lord Mountbatten tell us the TSR -2 was a loser and plugged the Buccaneer to our RAAF chiefs, he and others daggerd the TSR-2, however the F-111 which we eventually got more than met and exceeded our expectaions, I still wonder what it would have been to have the TSR-2 and also seen the Arrow fly. I build my TSR-2 models in 'might have been Sqn colours and have most of the Avro arrow books as well...makes you angry doesn't it.
@Quadrant14 Greetings to down under, from up here in GB.
As i've explained to other Users on here i do not blame Mountbatten for what he himself did (he did what he thought was required to save the Royal Navy's CVA-01 Carrier Project), the real Crooks were "Zuckermann" & "Wilson", the brainless Drongo's that axed TSR-2 & wiped out our Areospace Industry in the process.
If not for them the RAF & RAAF would have got a massively superior Aircraft that would have been (ironically) much cheaper too.
Hello from Canada. Soon as I saw your username I began to decipher what it might mean. I was right! Nice video. Too bad the UK did not learn from the Arrows fate. Would have been nice to see them together. I am a fan of the Avro Vulcan too--I just bought an aviation magazine to day featuring that place. I should buy a book on the TSR2....now that I have most of the Arrow ones! lol
It would have been a awesome sight to have the Arrow & Eagle together on a runway, they are kindred spirits thats for sure (dispite being built for radically different roles).
The "AVRO Vulcan" & "TSR-2 Eagle" (which would have replaced the Vulcan as the 4th V-Bomber)
have met each other though, "XR-222" is kept right next to one of the surrviving Vulcan's at Duxford.
As for Books on TSR-2: this Video points out the best one on her to date ; )
The Resemblence to the "EnglishElectric Lightning" is explainable though, because E.E.
also (with Vickers) designed & Built the TSR-2 Eagle!
Although shortly after TSR-2 was announced both E.E. & Vickers were merged into
the Govement created "British Aircraft Corperation" (BAC for short), which was the effective end of both companys, so this very Aircraft was "English Electrics" Final (& in my view their greatest) Work.
@ConcordeCentral A lot of people get that impression i admit, but compared to the Problems the US's "XB-70 Valkyrie" (Hypersonic Bomber) & "F-111 Raven/Ardvark" (TSR-2's only contempory rival, but less advanced / cabable than her) TSR-2's Undercarrage was fairly effective overall & by the second Prototype ("XR-220" [which is one of the only two left in the world]) they had fixed the ossilation & sequencing faults that had caused trouble for "XR-219".
What a magnificent, inspiring Aircraft, esthetically a striking piece of art and obviously ahead of it's time. Thank you for posting. I'll get informed.
I'm lost in love with Vulcan I didn't know of this.
@TSR1989FF How may have Britain put this Aircraft making capability is beyond my understanding, Victor was a beauty too, I'll check your channel, that was suicide, Sorry UK, these planes where not sheer expense or only defense, they were tech with ample economic and industrial relations with the whole country.
British creativity and courage of innovation of those years must be and example for us in all EU.
We cannot compete with asia on cheap and old, innovation we need!
You also are bang on in reguards to TSR-2's Costs, to which the old myth is that she vastly exeeded them, the reality being that the Estemates of her Projected Cost weren't accurately Tabulated to begin with, so the perseption that she was over budget was a inevitable (& false) conclusion.
I can recommend Written works on her (& other British Areospace Projects too) if you like.
Nice video! The TSR2 was a superb piece of British engineering, a real world beater years ahead of her time. It is sobering to think that she would STILL be in the front line RAF if the spineless, socialist WIlson government had not caved into US pressure. The TSR story is tragic, an opportunity to keep Britain at the forefront of military aviation just thrown on the scrap heap by a myopic, left-wing Labour government. The damage done to UK aviation industry was huge-it makes me angry.
Given this channel is dedicated to the TSR-2 Eagle it was no question that the First Video was of her, & this is just the start.
The 1957-1967 period was indeed the darkest Time in our nations History (Yes Maccmillan was also to blame too, i'm a Tory myself but consider him the Worst Non-Labourite PM of the 1900's ), the full implications of events then can never be accuratley quantified but were/are Cataclysmic & a unforgivable waste of Technology & Resources
Like the AVRO Vulcan she was built to eventually replace in the Interdictor role she is still just as striking & as radical Visually & Technologically as the late 1950's-early 1960's when she was designed, TSR-2 is by no means alone in this distinction (the "AVRO Arrow" & many others also have this aspect to them) but she is the one that stood out
@DrGull1888 No Worry's, after all i've done that several times myself.
I admit i decided on Muse's Song as a Soundtrack after seeing a RAF Tribute by another user & finding it to be the perfect length & that it fitted the TSR-2 Images i have on file better than the other Soundtracks i had to hand at the time.
I might use a "Linkin Park" or "AC-DC" Song for my next TSR-2 Video but i'm always open to reccommendations for Songs /source material etc.
Very nice first video, good music and a potentially legendary aircraft. Would have been great if the UK could have got both the TSR and the CVA-01 class instead of neither, if only the RAF could play nice.
@TSR1989FF I don't have that sort of reputation, do I? :P
But yeah, the RAF infamously moved Australia about 600 nautical miles in an attempt to plug a gap when trying to show that the TSR-2 would be able to attain global coverage if based at certain points around the globe, trying to show that the proposed CVA-01 would have been useless.
Obviously, they didn't actually move Australia. They drew a map to prove their point, but not quite accurately. Sneaky, yes, but still technically cheating.
@rvfharrier Oh don't take that the wrong way i ment it as a compliment, after all i'm a Profectionalist by nature & appriciate people who are methodical in their's, as you tend to be (even if it did cause some friction in the past ;)
I admit both the RN & RAF both did quite a bit of Fudging & questionable play in those times, Many dislike Mountbatten for famously deriding the "TSR-2" in order to secure the "Blackburn Buccaneer" & "CVA-01", i for one do not see him as such
@rvfharrier ....He was only trying to save the Navy that he Loved & had Fought for in WWII, & what could be wrong with that?
The Real Villans of the Situation are..... well i'll leave that for my next TSR video, when i discribe the 1957-1967 Period in the
context that it really was (a tragic squandering of Brains / Technology & National Resorces that we will most likley never have again in quite the same way).
@TSR1989FF I don't actually think Mountbatten played a huge part in it though, I'd say the two main causes of death were General Dynamics offering a contract on the F-111 to the Aus/UK governments that they couldn't ultimately deliver on, and the actual aircraft itself. Had it entered into production, it would have been legendary... but that's the problem; the TSR-2 was built to be the best at everything, assuming endless funding would allow it, which obviously wasn't the case. Too expensive :(.
@rvfharrier It's a common Myth that the TSR-2 ended up far over budget, in reality the original estimates made for her overall cost & otherwise were Inaccurate (either due to Fudgeing or just Incompitance on the pen pushers part) so it's no suprise that people thought she was exeeding original costs when the original percived costs were never correct to begin with.
It's also the case that at the time of cancelation they had three flight readied examples (XR219 / XR220 & XR222) plus....
@TSR1989FF ...... 5-7 others under various stages of construction, if not for the Cancelation in favour of the "F-111K"
TSR-2 would have been in service by the start of the 1970's.
That & naturally TSR-2 was Technologically Superior to the F-111 & Had first flown years before the US plane, plus she was Faster & more manuverable as well, it's well known also that the overall cost of the TSR-2 would have been lower than F-111K & well within the national capabity, thats the tragity of it.
@rvfharrier But to conclude this issue i restate that i myself do not see Mountbatten as being responsible for it at all,
he was just caught up in the events of the time like many others were, besides he's someone who did many great things for our Country & i for one was horrified to find he was Murdered by the IRA in the late 1970's (the only example of Regicide in over 300 years), i find it disgusting that those responsible got away with it & have never been brought to Trial.
I am glad i made the right choice with Muse (i had considered several alternatives but i thought that it fitted the Video best).
As for the name, Thats due to when i was uploading it i forgot to rename it beforehand, so as such it ended up with it's Project name from "WMM" instead of what i had in mind.
the TSR 2 embodied the RAF motto, "through adversity to the stars"
dmax631 6 months ago
@dmax631 I couldn't Agree more.
TSR1989FF 6 months ago
Great clip mate.
joluqa 7 months ago
@joluqa Thanks, i'll be uploading a (radically) updated version in September for the Anniversary of XR-219's First Flight.
TSR1989FF 7 months ago
To think that when they flew XR220 supersonically, they only engaged ONE afterburner & the TSR 2 pulled away from Jimmy Dell's Lightning- an aircraft capable of ferocious acceleration, with BOTH burners at full chat! I suspect the official performance figures for TSR 2 were extremely conservative. The Lightning was the ONLY NATO fighter that caught Concorde in a tail chase intercept competition in 1985, the F-15 got blown off. Just how fast would TSR 2 have been??
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 7 months ago
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH Agreed, Roland "Bea" Beamont only got to fly XR-219 Supersonic once, so I also think we are yet to know exactly How Fast She really was/is (after all we still have both of XR-219's Sister planes ; )
I must admit i didn't know that about the Lightning, although i'm not surprised
(she is after all known as "The Flying Engine"), plus she impressed one Saudi Test Pilot so much he said afterward... "You British are so modest, she's EVEN FASTER than you said she is" ; )
TSR1989FF 7 months ago
@TSR1989FF The Saudi test pilot would be the guy who said he had to fly the Lightning supersonically after only a few hours dual training! The RAF conversion course onto Lightning took 12 mths! He was advised by Bea not to use reheat on take off under any circumstances-considering his lack of experience. Needless to say, he did & the Lightning's performance caught him off guard completely! He did not get the undercarriage up until he was at 28,000 ft!!! ROFL
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 7 months ago
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH Now that sounds familiar
(although i thought it was one of the first RAF Pilots that made that rather amusing goof).
Still, even more than the current Typhoon's the Lightning can best be discribed as....
"She climbs like a Homesick Angel" ~_^
TSR1989FF 7 months ago
Best ever warbird destroyed by American politics. The technical achievments could not be matched by any nation at the time. The Russians already planned to make an interceptor to cope with the threat. The Americans ruled the military and political world with bribery, corruption and sanctions against any nation that were better able to succeed were they were not capable. Great video, thanks very much, danke!
m4xpl4nck 8 months ago 2
@m4xpl4nck Very True, TSR-2 from her Maiden Flight in 1964 indeed had no equal.
Until the "Tupolev Tu-22M" (1969) "Tupolev Tu-160" (1981) the Soviets had no equivilant to her, the US also didn't have a comparable Interdictor till the "B-1 Lancer" of 1974 (which unlike TSR-2 was spared from total cancellation), as the earlier "F-111" was inferior to TSR-2 in both Performance & Avionics.
I beleive the Interceptor you refering to is the "MIG-25 Foxbat", a Rakish yet also rather Beautiful Fighter.
TSR1989FF 8 months ago
@TSR1989FF Correct. The Russians were quick to realise the potential of the TSR 2 and therefore the huge threat it represented. It would undoubtedly have been the most potent strike aircraft in the NATO arsenal. They did indeed commission the Mig 25 'Foxbat' as a response. How ironic that the duplicious, envious Americans & spineless socialist British politicians destroyed the TSR 2. A national disgrace & tragedy in equal measures- our aviation industry never recovered.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 7 months ago
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH Agreed (100%).
It was indeed a national tragedy, as not just BAC itself but also many Supporting Industries that suffered as a result of the 1965 axing (including Marconi / EMI / Ferranti & many more [most of which are now gone forever]).
It was the 1957-65- Goverments' refusal to keep the Aviation Industry Healthy & as such repeatedly kicking it in the teeth it that is why we can't even successfully replace the Nimrod now, or pursue Home Projects' like the "BAE Replica".
TSR1989FF 7 months ago
5*****
CIAO!
Welldone, my english friend!!
I would like to take advantage of this opportunity to send you my most heartfelt congratulations for this video!
guasc0 10 months ago
@guasc0 Thank's my friend, your compliment is graciously welcomed : )
TSR1989FF 10 months ago
Congratulations with your first video!
Keep up the good work=)
Very good aircraft,to bad that project was cancelled.
All modern aircraft have four dimensions: span, length, height and politics. TSR-2 simply got the first three right.Sir Sydney Camm
Andzej3 10 months ago
Interdictor, Strategic bomber, Reconnaissance, what role WEREN'T they planing for this supersonic aircraft...
commander979 11 months ago
@commander979 Well i've read there was a Carrier version of the TSR-2 Considered in the late 50's, although as far as i know it never progressed beyond the concept stage & infomation on it is limited at best.
It wasn't unusual though (even then) for Aircraft to be designed / later modified for Multiple roles, the TSR-2's spritual predecessor (& the Aircraft she was to have replaced) the "English Electric Canberra" is argueably the most successful in this aspect of capablity & adaptability.
TSR1989FF 11 months ago
@TSR1989FF From what I've heard, there were prototypes, and the TSR-2 was all but complete when the government scraped the project.
Some say some idiot somewhere in the chain of command thought that meant scrap all the prototypes, when it didn't.
Others say that the American government didn't want Britain to have the TSR-2 AND the Concorde, and made us choose one to scrap.
All that really matters is that the TSR-2 project ended, before it could be mass-produced.
commander979 11 months ago
@commander979 Indeed, by that dark day in 1965 there were 17 TSR-2's
(Total of Aircraft Completed & under various stages of Construction), of which "XR-219" had flown & "XR-220" was due to have her first test flight (but cruelly the Project was cancelled only days before she could do so, & all requests afterward were refused).
While there is conjecture as to who ordered the Project materials & "XR-219" Destroyed the
US Goverment & "General Dynamics" played a Active role in the TSR-2's demise.
TSR1989FF 11 months ago
@commander979 I've haven't encountered anything though that imply's the Yank's made us choose between TSR-2 & Concorde, although the two are related as TSR-2's Engine Technology & other innovations proved vital to the Concorde project.
The "Panavia Tornado" though was developed from the "AFVG" (in essence a Anglo-French Aircraft based on TSR-2), & also benefits from Avionics Technology designed originally for TSR-2.
apart from "Politics", TSR-2 got everything else just right.
TSR1989FF 11 months ago
Pictures and even old film, fail to do justice to such a futuristic aircraft trapped in history. In spite of the draconian scrapping (similar to the current Nimrod debacle) two lovely examples are worth "sneaking up and touching!" RAF Cosford and Duxford some how beat the total destruction order and have held on to STILL THE BEST LOOKING AIRCRAFT. By sheer look I was able to take the best ever photograph of the TSR2 outside in the sunlight.........it will rarely go outside again.
Great site!
FrankCosPhi 1 year ago
You can get a couple of after market decal sheets in both 1/72 and 1/48, depicting a lot of 'What If' versions, including one from the Swedish Air Force.. should I ever make one, which I hope to do, it might well be a Swedish 'Whiff'.. :) :)
BasicModelling 1 year ago
@BasicModelling Hmm, i didn't know that, i'd be very interested to know where to look / which company manufactures them.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
xtradecals do 3 sheets each with 4-5 options on :)
eatthisvr6 11 months ago
@eatthisvr6 Thank's, i'll look that up then.
TSR1989FF 11 months ago
@BasicModelling iv seen a swedish camo model built and it looks absolutely fantastic i dont dare try it though lol
eatthisvr6 9 months ago
@eatthisvr6 It looks more complicated than it is.. :) :)
BasicModelling 9 months ago
@BasicModelling the masking looks a nightmare
eatthisvr6 9 months ago
@eatthisvr6 True.. that's why I draw the pattern and paint freehand.. :) That's the beauty of using a brush..
BasicModelling 9 months ago
1:48 Scale make that :)
2002And 1 year ago
Nice video :) Interesting tribute, thanks :) I really like the TSR :) The plane (apart from the cockpit and nose) reminds me of the Eurofighter Typhoon or the Tornado. The picture at 3:18 is my Profile image on my other channel, UltimateTutorials16 :)
2002And 1 year ago
@2002And Well those two Fighter-Bombers are indirectly decended from her, much of the technology developed for the TSR-2 Eagle benefited Concorde & the Tornado (the tornado was in fact chosen right after Thatcher's goverment study into resurrecting TSR-2 decided that the programme was too far gone, but much of TSR-2 innovations lived/live on).
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF I see, thanks :) I may well build the TRS by Airfix in 1:72 Scale - actually I will - I'll search around for a kit and tell you when the Video is uploaded :)
2002And 1 year ago
Hi guys I am from Australia, we had a man by the name of Lord Mountbatten tell us the TSR -2 was a loser and plugged the Buccaneer to our RAAF chiefs, he and others daggerd the TSR-2, however the F-111 which we eventually got more than met and exceeded our expectaions, I still wonder what it would have been to have the TSR-2 and also seen the Arrow fly. I build my TSR-2 models in 'might have been Sqn colours and have most of the Avro arrow books as well...makes you angry doesn't it.
Quadrant14 1 year ago
@Quadrant14 Greetings to down under, from up here in GB.
As i've explained to other Users on here i do not blame Mountbatten for what he himself did (he did what he thought was required to save the Royal Navy's CVA-01 Carrier Project), the real Crooks were "Zuckermann" & "Wilson", the brainless Drongo's that axed TSR-2 & wiped out our Areospace Industry in the process.
If not for them the RAF & RAAF would have got a massively superior Aircraft that would have been (ironically) much cheaper too.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
THE BEST!!
DRUMONT
rubensrosas 1 year ago
Hello from Canada. Soon as I saw your username I began to decipher what it might mean. I was right! Nice video. Too bad the UK did not learn from the Arrows fate. Would have been nice to see them together. I am a fan of the Avro Vulcan too--I just bought an aviation magazine to day featuring that place. I should buy a book on the TSR2....now that I have most of the Arrow ones! lol
avro206 1 year ago
@avro206 Indeed you were right ; )
It would have been a awesome sight to have the Arrow & Eagle together on a runway, they are kindred spirits thats for sure (dispite being built for radically different roles).
The "AVRO Vulcan" & "TSR-2 Eagle" (which would have replaced the Vulcan as the 4th V-Bomber)
have met each other though, "XR-222" is kept right next to one of the surrviving Vulcan's at Duxford.
As for Books on TSR-2: this Video points out the best one on her to date ; )
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
S.O.S LOVE
rubensrosas 1 year ago
@okaaaiiiden Thanks.
The Resemblence to the "EnglishElectric Lightning" is explainable though, because E.E.
also (with Vickers) designed & Built the TSR-2 Eagle!
Although shortly after TSR-2 was announced both E.E. & Vickers were merged into
the Govement created "British Aircraft Corperation" (BAC for short), which was the effective end of both companys, so this very Aircraft was "English Electrics" Final (& in my view their greatest) Work.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
Great video! It looks amazing, however the wheels look like they can snap off at any time which is unfortunate.
ConcordeCentral 1 year ago
@ConcordeCentral A lot of people get that impression i admit, but compared to the Problems the US's "XB-70 Valkyrie" (Hypersonic Bomber) & "F-111 Raven/Ardvark" (TSR-2's only contempory rival, but less advanced / cabable than her) TSR-2's Undercarrage was fairly effective overall & by the second Prototype ("XR-220" [which is one of the only two left in the world]) they had fixed the ossilation & sequencing faults that had caused trouble for "XR-219".
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
What a magnificent, inspiring Aircraft, esthetically a striking piece of art and obviously ahead of it's time. Thank you for posting. I'll get informed.
I'm lost in love with Vulcan I didn't know of this.
vaxiawval 1 year ago
@vaxiawval Well thats understandable, i also knew of AV Roe's Vulcan before i encountered the TSR-2 (which would
have ultimately succeeded the the Vulcan in the Interdictor role if she had surrvived "the Wilson years").
My channel has Playlists on the TSR-2 Eagle (including a professional Documentary on her that was uploaded to YT).
Additionally: I also compiled a Playlist on the Vulcan & Victor V Bombers as well.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF How may have Britain put this Aircraft making capability is beyond my understanding, Victor was a beauty too, I'll check your channel, that was suicide, Sorry UK, these planes where not sheer expense or only defense, they were tech with ample economic and industrial relations with the whole country.
British creativity and courage of innovation of those years must be and example for us in all EU.
We cannot compete with asia on cheap and old, innovation we need!
vaxiawval 1 year ago
@vaxiawval I couldn't put it better myself.
Without Innovation you only get stagnation.
You also are bang on in reguards to TSR-2's Costs, to which the old myth is that she vastly exeeded them, the reality being that the Estemates of her Projected Cost weren't accurately Tabulated to begin with, so the perseption that she was over budget was a inevitable (& false) conclusion.
I can recommend Written works on her (& other British Areospace Projects too) if you like.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
Nice video! The TSR2 was a superb piece of British engineering, a real world beater years ahead of her time. It is sobering to think that she would STILL be in the front line RAF if the spineless, socialist WIlson government had not caved into US pressure. The TSR story is tragic, an opportunity to keep Britain at the forefront of military aviation just thrown on the scrap heap by a myopic, left-wing Labour government. The damage done to UK aviation industry was huge-it makes me angry.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 1 year ago
@LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH Thanks,
Given this channel is dedicated to the TSR-2 Eagle it was no question that the First Video was of her, & this is just the start.
The 1957-1967 period was indeed the darkest Time in our nations History (Yes Maccmillan was also to blame too, i'm a Tory myself but consider him the Worst Non-Labourite PM of the 1900's ), the full implications of events then can never be accuratley quantified but were/are Cataclysmic & a unforgivable waste of Technology & Resources
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
Even after 45 years this aircraft looks completely modern!
elswick1542 1 year ago
@elswick1542 I know, uncanny isn't it?
Like the AVRO Vulcan she was built to eventually replace in the Interdictor role she is still just as striking & as radical Visually & Technologically as the late 1950's-early 1960's when she was designed, TSR-2 is by no means alone in this distinction (the "AVRO Arrow" & many others also have this aspect to them) but she is the one that stood out
most of all to me.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
Nicely done. Is the soundtrack "The Muse"?
DrGull1888 1 year ago
@DrGull1888 Thank's ;) ,
The second TSR-2 Eagle Video won't be ready for a few weeks but i my first Naval Video is nearing completion
(by Sunday all going well).
The song is called "Map of the Problematique", but yes "Muse" are the Band who created it..
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF Thanks a lot. And stupid me.I could have read the iTunes ad.
DrGull1888 1 year ago
@DrGull1888 No Worry's, after all i've done that several times myself.
I admit i decided on Muse's Song as a Soundtrack after seeing a RAF Tribute by another user & finding it to be the perfect length & that it fitted the TSR-2 Images i have on file better than the other Soundtracks i had to hand at the time.
I might use a "Linkin Park" or "AC-DC" Song for my next TSR-2 Video but i'm always open to reccommendations for Songs /source material etc.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
good video!
TheMilitarypower 1 year ago
Very nice first video, good music and a potentially legendary aircraft. Would have been great if the UK could have got both the TSR and the CVA-01 class instead of neither, if only the RAF could play nice.
Good luck with the next videos, keep it up.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier Thankyou my friend, given your reputation for being fustidious that means a lot to me.
Not sure what you mean by "if only the RAF could play nice" but i agree that the Infighting for funding that resulted
between the Royal Navy & RAF in the 1960's was a painfull episode of our Country's history, especially since the two
Services both lost in the end.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF I don't have that sort of reputation, do I? :P
But yeah, the RAF infamously moved Australia about 600 nautical miles in an attempt to plug a gap when trying to show that the TSR-2 would be able to attain global coverage if based at certain points around the globe, trying to show that the proposed CVA-01 would have been useless.
Obviously, they didn't actually move Australia. They drew a map to prove their point, but not quite accurately. Sneaky, yes, but still technically cheating.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier Oh don't take that the wrong way i ment it as a compliment, after all i'm a Profectionalist by nature & appriciate people who are methodical in their's, as you tend to be (even if it did cause some friction in the past ;)
I admit both the RN & RAF both did quite a bit of Fudging & questionable play in those times, Many dislike Mountbatten for famously deriding the "TSR-2" in order to secure the "Blackburn Buccaneer" & "CVA-01", i for one do not see him as such
because.... TBC
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@rvfharrier ....He was only trying to save the Navy that he Loved & had Fought for in WWII, & what could be wrong with that?
The Real Villans of the Situation are..... well i'll leave that for my next TSR video, when i discribe the 1957-1967 Period in the
context that it really was (a tragic squandering of Brains / Technology & National Resorces that we will most likley never have again in quite the same way).
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF I don't actually think Mountbatten played a huge part in it though, I'd say the two main causes of death were General Dynamics offering a contract on the F-111 to the Aus/UK governments that they couldn't ultimately deliver on, and the actual aircraft itself. Had it entered into production, it would have been legendary... but that's the problem; the TSR-2 was built to be the best at everything, assuming endless funding would allow it, which obviously wasn't the case. Too expensive :(.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier It's a common Myth that the TSR-2 ended up far over budget, in reality the original estimates made for her overall cost & otherwise were Inaccurate (either due to Fudgeing or just Incompitance on the pen pushers part) so it's no suprise that people thought she was exeeding original costs when the original percived costs were never correct to begin with.
It's also the case that at the time of cancelation they had three flight readied examples (XR219 / XR220 & XR222) plus....
TBC
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF ...... 5-7 others under various stages of construction, if not for the Cancelation in favour of the "F-111K"
TSR-2 would have been in service by the start of the 1970's.
That & naturally TSR-2 was Technologically Superior to the F-111 & Had first flown years before the US plane, plus she was Faster & more manuverable as well, it's well known also that the overall cost of the TSR-2 would have been lower than F-111K & well within the national capabity, thats the tragity of it.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@rvfharrier But to conclude this issue i restate that i myself do not see Mountbatten as being responsible for it at all,
he was just caught up in the events of the time like many others were, besides he's someone who did many great things for our Country & i for one was horrified to find he was Murdered by the IRA in the late 1970's (the only example of Regicide in over 300 years), i find it disgusting that those responsible got away with it & have never been brought to Trial.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
Hello Comrade, thank you for new video.that is very interested.good jop.
Revolution and Peace greetings.Comrade DH
DeafHawkeye 1 year ago
Brilliant video, Brilliant aircraft!
Good job!
Apache757 1 year ago
Nice video, that plane looks amazing!
97kcoats 1 year ago
Ha ha i like, very good job there, excellent choice of muse. :-)
Possibly change the title?
good luck on your project btw!!
123456789r2 1 year ago
@123456789r2 Thankyou ;)
I am glad i made the right choice with Muse (i had considered several alternatives but i thought that it fitted the Video best).
As for the name, Thats due to when i was uploading it i forgot to rename it beforehand, so as such it ended up with it's Project name from "WMM" instead of what i had in mind.
I'll fix it when i have the chance.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
First comment! lol!
Good job on the vid, though i can't access the music for the moment...
suryavajra 1 year ago
@suryavajra I'm glad you like it my Friend.
I'm working on Three others at present (two of which are Naval History) & have other concepts i'm fettleing with.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
you're welcome. I'm going to have to get busy myself and make a few more.
suryavajra 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF
Naval history....
my brother did a project on the atlantic convoys, i would give you the link the the competition site but you cant do that in comments...
123456789r2 1 year ago
@123456789r2 I think you can via PM or CC (if memory serves).
i fixed the Video's Name, what do you think?
TSR1989FF 1 year ago
@TSR1989FF much better. ill send it when i find it, i dont know if it will be useful, but u might like to have a read. its quite interesting
123456789r2 1 year ago
@123456789r2 My thanks.
TSR1989FF 1 year ago