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  • yeah well ive seen satan,,n hes a very smart but stupid buffoon who by the way is very good looking n im sure most of you have even slepted with him......oh yes by the way hes some sort of male/female thang.and when the whole world sees this lil fool who caused all this crap on planet earth.....ha you really wont believe it n oh yeah ya would kick his ungodly ass too.!

  • Be careful preterists: " If any man add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book . If any man shall take away from the words in this book of prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life" (Revelation 22: 18-19). Even though you say it is symbolic, I don't think that you would take the physical chip in your right hand or forehead that htey have today.

  • @concerto35 Be careful DISPENSATIONALISTS! If a doctrine is new, it probably isn't true!

  • You have to be careful what you say. Nero's Mark was not for buying or selling. It was not needed then. Neither was it necessaruily on the forehead or the back of the right hand as it would be during the tribulation period. In modern day technology it is expedient to have these implants there because the heat is the best place to recharge the batteries in these microchips. The preterist begin with a false premise that leads to many false conclusions.

  • What if the Beast is Germany. It has a mortal wound that was healed = the Berlin Wall? If Germany is the beast, then the mark of the beast would be something German. An eagle? A swastika? An iron cross?

  • Revelation: The Way it Happened is a new historical-critical look at Revelation

  • The Seven Seals are the Seven Sacraments. They were destroyed around 1944 when the name used was changed from Holy Ghost to Holy Spirit, thus voiding all baptisms. There's a conditional rite for this for sedevacantists, called a conditional baptism. fatimamovement d o t c o m

    The mark is the baphomet baptism imposed by the novus ordo church by using the name Holy Spirit. In the latin vulgate Acts XIX, this is the spirit of the one who is coming - The Holy Ghost is the spirit of the one who is

  • Mark of the beast is Neron Kaisar It was written in code(Hebrew number / letter system called Gematria.The mark is symbolic,the mark in the forehead is to worship Caesar and the mark in the hand means to carry out his will.

  • "Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus." Rev. 14:12

  • The mark of the beast is the sign of the cross being under the rule of the beast (POPE) who is very powerful that he is even being bowed down by kings or presidents of many nations. They have to use their forehead and right hand. THINK

  • Nazis were smart and foreseeing, by placing the mark on the left hand, rather than the right :) Hmm, just in order to f***k with the desert-god and his "revelation" I suppose hahaha I'll take any mark on my left hand or thigh, just to mock the christian imbecility/gullibility. . .Next time you receive a "mark", tell them to put it on your left arm or your jaw (vs forhead) That will piss off christians like hell believe me!!! Do everything in reverse, just to tease them hahaha

  • Maybe you symbolically go to Hell too if you take it (the symbolic mark).. This guy is doing his best to help you get there.

  • All the futurists/millenialists are believing something false. I start with one evidence: "wormwood"!!! Jeremiah 23:15 !!! Read my profile to see all of the evidence because it is the Truth!!

  • The Mark of the Beast and the Mark of God are indeed symbolic....no micro chips or tatoos or anything else

  • I thought the recent translations of the text made it 616?

  • Hey, how much are they paying to get the chip? I have'nt had a job for 2&1/2 years. If I get it will somebody hire me? 2340 resumes out and still no work. I just want to get a van again so I can sleep in shelter away from the cops and thugs killing people who have nothing left. I would love to have a saxaphone again.

  • The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, an image of God's word. You carry it in your hand, you memorize it in your head, you make it speak (the bible says). You use it as an object of worship. You break the new covenant of God by having faith in the bible instead of Jesus by the Holy Ghost. Your Faith will fail.

  • John "the revelator" and John "the baptist are not the same John. John the baptist was in the wilderness under the auspices of a traditional prophet's ordeal. Anyone who does this will learn things that sound crazy to those who've not experienced it.

    The day is coming when one will not be able to buy or sell without an implanted chip of some sort. Learn--really thoroughly learn--woodcraft so that you won't starve when that day comes. Be ready to flee the cities.

    Or just take the mark.

  • I'm not so sure this is accurate. The Bible clearly says that if we do not accept the mark on the FOREHEAD OR HAND we would not be able to buy or sell. Revelation 13:16-18 In order to stop someone from buying or selling, it would mean that there was a government system in place to prevent it. The mark of the lamb is a God's mark, who is a spirit. But the accepting the mark that prevents people from being able to buy or sell means that it becomes a law in the economic system at that time.

  • Gary - de Bible says, "that there will be a litteral "mark" in the right hand, or in there foreheads. (REV.13:16) - since the next verse says -- "And that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Your analysis using the Jewish pray boxes is not to be used in this way because that act goes alone with hiding the Word in your heart --Not with an Identifying Mark which allows or disallows commerce. Too cerebral used a little faith.

  • Controls economy with the mark...tattoo can't do that....Gary even someone who doesn't read much can understand that.

  • America and Europe are not the [One World Order] it is Islam. The west will use the chip innocently. After Islam will be in control, muslims will force the chip on people to identify who did and didn’t convert to islam. Muslims will control the Internet, google, YouTube, facebook, all technology; the world will be obliged to submit to Islam. Now they are threatening us by their explosives, later will be the internet technology and their explosives and beheading those that don’t submit to islam.

  • @melkisadeki but if you submit to islam are you worshipping the satan or GOD please reply back

  • The mark of the beast, "666" is code for the Roman Emperor Nero. It has nothing to do with modern times. "John", who supposedly wrote the book of Revelations about the return of the fictional character Jesus hated the Romans and wanted someone to kill them. John was in exile because he was insane (we didn't have anti-psychotic medication then), and was very angry, so he wrote his rant. Today, some crazy people still believe his rant. We have medication today, so seek treatment if you do believe.

  • @heathdwatts What do you recommend? What kind of medication works for you?

  • @jcr4runner answer a fool according to his folly. ;-)

  • the number was 616,nero,the mark was a badge you had to have if you wanted to do bizniz in the roman world, you had to sacrifice to the emperor to get your badge.

    read it in the greek or aramaic,, not saxon english lol,, its like chinese whispers lol.

    silly mindset world view too, so black and white.

  • o your one on these,who wont post comment unless it sits with your silly worldview.

    ignorance is bliss i guess

  • @heathdwatts

    It is obvious that you have not read it. John did not write the book of Revelations. He wrote the book of Revelation.

  • America worships false of God. companies create stupid chip that doesn't work and proven corporate evil stupid.

  • Why do dispensationalists interpret the mark of the beast physically and the the mark of the lamb spiritually?

    Easy answer.

    Because, as even preterists agree, the lamb is spiritual, the beast is physical. That's why. There's no physical lamb here giving out marks. The beast is.

    Demar misses the point on the techno argument as well. Ist century tattoos are not able to monitor and control buying and selling. An implant can. Our every move can be tracked today. Not true in the 1st century.

  • @HaveUconsidered Scripture doesn't say that the mark monitors or controls buying or selling; just that one can't buy or sell without it. A non-technological answer, such as a tattoo, could still do that.

  • @tomopotamus Yes, but a tattoo could be faked, an eletronic implant would be much harder.

  • if it's not a physical mark then why do those who take it get a noisome and grievous sore? and yeah, people have been marked and tattooed in the past but never has the whole world been forced to, to buy and sell

  • A real mark must be visual to purchase or sell. as I said in my earlier comment a week ago below. The people worship the Dragon (satan) and the Beast(antichrist) in Rev 13:4, but didnt have the mark yet. But later in Rev 13:11-17 when the false prophet comes then the mark of the beast is given. So the mark of the beast isnt someone who is deceived or accepting the anitchrist they were already doing it before the mark came.

  • No! A real mark must be visual to purchase or sell. as I said in my earlier comment a week ago below. The people worship the Dragon (satan) and the Beast(antichrist) in Rev 13:4, but didnt have the mark yet. But later in Rev 13:11-17 when the false prophet comes then the mark of the beast is given. So the mark of the beast isnt someone who is deceived or accepting the anitchrist they were already doing it before the mark came. continue above....

  • All I can say is this: The Mark of The Beast is a real mark. not something in my mind or being decieved, one is already deceived when getting the mark. Also you cannot buy or sell without it, so i goto the store clerk and tell them i believe in the antichrist or its all in my mind, may I purchase 2 of those oranges please. continue above

  • "During the last days an evil beast will arise out of the earth and deceive many from every nation upon the earth. He will demand that everyone receive his mark, the number 666, placed in their hands or on their foreheads. Anyone who takes the mark will belong to the beast and will be thrown with him into the lake of fire which burns with fire and brimstone.

  • He didn't "answer" the question. What does he mean by "symbolic"..... symbolic how? Mentally? Spiritually? Emotionally?.... that was all just a bunch of rhetoric.

  • I would really appreciate some feedback regarding a portion of Revaltion that utterly perplexes me:

    How on earth should I interpret Revalation 11— The Two Witnesses?

    Thanks so much.

  • From a preterist perspective it is easy.

  • @jcr4runner

    Could you please provide me with some material or an explanation?

    Thanks bro.

  • The 3-1/2 year time period (Rev 11) is the same as the 42 months spoken (Rev 13) when the siege of Jerusalem occurred.

    This was the Spring of 67 to the Fall of 70.

    The two Lampstands and the two Olive trees are from Zechariah 4. They symbolize the Law and the Prophets -- the actual words of the Old Testament testifying against the Jews.

    Josephus gives an account of the plagues that befell Jerusalem, the prophets spoke against the Jews and the very day that the glory of God left the Temple.

  • @jcr4runner cant believe that i havent see this before. why are we so thick to get this book? But i came close after repenting towards ortodox preterism. i thought the two witnesses was the two covenants, symbolized by moses and elijah. moses would be the jweish word, and elijah would represent the new covenant, because he was a gentile and all that. It wouldnt fit however how the new covenant people were present in jerusalem after the siege since they all escaped in 67. thanks man, im so happy

  • @JesusMostHigh, Besides Revelation 11, you may consult "Wars of the Jews" and "The Antiquities of the Jews" by jewish historian Flavius Josephus. I can also recommend "Days of Vengeance" and "Paradise Restored" by David Chilton. Kenneth Gentry's "Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation" will prove helpful as well.

  • In (revelation 11:3-8)The two witnesses are two prophets who will prophecy during the tribulation period for 3 1/2 years. It was prophesied by Zechariah, In Zechariah 4:1-4 and explained in verse 11-14. They will be killed by the antichrist and The Lord will raise them from the dead. hope this was helpful....God Bless

  • So what I mean is the ppl with the mark of the beast were the ones that could buy and sell freely but the ones without the mark could not. The ones without the mark of the beast and worshipped God had the mark of God on the forehead and hand instead.

  • The mark of the beast is accepting Ceasar as your King and God and denying Jesus. Same as being blackballed today because you are excluded. It doesn't really mean that a vote was taken and someone put a black ball in a little bag to vote against you.

  • If excepting the mark of the Beast is accepting lets say The Antichrist, and deny Jesus. Why then isnt those who excepted satan and his worship and denying jesus have The mark of The Beast? Satan is far greater than ceasar, Hitler, and The future antichrist. It will be a real mark. Revelation 13:4 says they Worshipped The Dragon (satan) and The Beast (the anitchrist), here the acceptance is complete, but the mark hasnt been giving yet until later when the false prophet comes in verse 11-17.

  • @MajesticSunrize amen bro! these people are spreading some kind of deceptive false agenda. they never can answer what causes the noisome and grievous sore

  • and they keep coming with this lie, a seal and a mark are two differents things...

  • Just a sec. there.. does it occur to anyone that John's Revelation, as is most of The Bible, a lot simpler?

    Rev.13.17-18+= TIME. We wear on the wrist, Right? Keep it in mind all the TIME..what happens when we are swept off our feet by joy? What happens when someone turns the light on when a child wakes from nightmares at night? What does it say? CALCULATE. Hebrew myth sees an epoch of 6000 years. The only real #s are from 1 to 9. Who is Matuta? Play at sounding words and discover only 1 origin.

  • What this man fails to remember is the fact that,"ALL"men both small and great ,rich and poor will be marked,and if they refuse,they will be put to death,also paul as he claims marked the ppl,this is true, he did,but what this man once again fails to think about is that paul only marked certain ppl not ALL,and there my friends is the Most important word -"ALL"), this guys a MORON!,he needs to read the scripture's and think about what reads as he reads it,this might help him in the future. :-)

  • ths guy didnt even calculate it ,i did like 4 years ago after i seen jesus in my room he was spirit he took my face he woke me up there was a cloud spinning around his torso

  • how do you explain that part where those who take the mark of the beast wont be able to buy or sell and then later on it says that those with the mark have horrible soars and deseases and die from the mark?

  • It has to do with buying and selling in the Temple. Those who stayed in Jerusalem during the siege starved to death or succumbed to horrible diseases. Some committed cannibalism.

  • It's a literary parody like the mark of the lamb and not a real number.

  • ,and according to the bible they will kill 1/3 of the earths population,they will burn up 1/4 of the trees and grass,they will use lieing signs and wonders(hollowgrames) look up project ,..bluebeam...to decieve even the very elect. prepare,prepare,prepare.

  • what you all need to understand is that the illuminatri believe revelations (except the end bit) and have a mandate to MAKE it all happen, including the 50 pound hail stones from chemtrailing/weather modifications,the great plauges will be deliberatly released upon an unsusspecting public via bio warfare agents..then they will blame the boggie man in afganistan in caves(ell.C.i.A.da),they are trying to force russia into ww3 right now.

  • in order to buy or sell and in order to recieve this privlege,you must renounce your spiritual beliefs or give yourself over to be part of a evil and corrupt world govt, then you had better believe that this would be the mark of the beast as mentioned in rev'16'13...

  • You can all argue about the mark of the beast,but get ready, cause here it comes ready or not.look when a system arrives at our door stepp that requires us to recieve some device or mark on our right hand or forhead in order to buy or sell,

  • This guy neglects to mention that without the mark of the beast you can neither buy nor sell.

    THAT is why people believe the mark of the beast is a literal mark and that it has technology that makes it required for making transactions.

  • That had to do with the markets in and around the Temple in the 1st century. Jesus chased the money changers out of the Temple for spiritual reasons. They thought they could buy the grace of God. But there was also a political and economic aspect. The money changers could not run their business unless they supported indirectly the Caesar cult. The Romans had set up their garrison within sight of the Temple and in fact the Sanhedrin got its authority from the Romans, not from the Law of God.

  • The Sanhedrin are those who condemned Jesus, but they would not do it without the Roman representative of Caesar in Judea, Pontius Pilate.

    John is condemning those Jews who took the mark of the beast -- those who crucified the Lord through their complicity with the Caesar cult.

  • Wrong. Revelations was written long after the temple was razed to the ground. Why would he write something in future tense for some a past recrimination?

    Am I right to say that this guy thinks the events of revelations are already ancient history?

    The signs of the times abound.

    Lulling people back to sleep is criminal.

    People need to be prepared for what the bible says is to come, and that is persecution and strong delusion.

    Rejoice, the return of the Lord draws nigh.

  • My date for the book of Revelation is some time between the fire of Rome 64 AD and Nero's death 67 AD.

    Why do you think it is after 70 AD?

  • I have heard sometime in the 90's AD. According to wikipedia there are disputing viewpoints which state 67 or 68 AD, or 90 AD.

    So lets say you're right and it was written in 64AD. You're viewpoint that all the events of revelations happened immediately after the death and ressurrection of Jesus is extremely contrived.

    Jesus said on the cross "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", but later John gets a vision directly from Jesus and is condemning them?

  • Some of the Latin church fathers interpreted Irenaeus (writing in Greek) as saying John saw his revelation in the time of Domitian. But it's clear that Irenaeus meant to say that JOHN was seen by others in the time of Domitian ("almost in our day") but did not reveal the identity of 666 if he himself knew it.

    The time statements of Revelation are key. John is saying these things will come to pass "near," "Shortly," "quickly."

  • In Rev. 13, there are seven kings: "five were, ONE IS, and one is yet to come ..."

    That puts the prophecy sometime in the reign of Nero.

    Jesus does forgive His murderers, but prior to this He also says:

    "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate."

    He forgives an unwilling people.

  • Which verse? I just read the entire chapter of Revelations 13 KJV and see nothing about "five were ... one is yet to come".

    Regardless, these diverse interpretations of revelations is all rather unimportant in my mind. Since Christ hasn't returned to earth as he left the earth, I will prepare for all eventualities and not be lulled to sleep.

    As Proverbs 6 talks about considering the ant, so we should prepare.

    Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

    Trim your wicks, keep oil in your lamps.

  • Rev 17:10 -- "Five are fallen, one is, one is yet to come."

    The Beast is the fourth kingdom of Daniel and is the Roman Empire.

    The six Emperors are Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Claudius, Caligula, NERO.

    John was interpreting Daniel. He's giving Christians in the Empire a warning about coming persecution (64-67 AD -- 3-1/2 years) and he is warning about the judgment on Jerusalem and telling the Christians it is time to abandon the city (67-70 AD -- 3-1/2 years).

  • See also the YOUTUBE series:

    THE BEAST OF REVELATION IDENTIFIED.

  • 1) Why would Christians in the roman empire need to be warned about persecution? It was all around them all the time, they were calling Jesus, not caesar, Lord. That was enough to earn death.

    2) For interpreting Daniel, it sure isn't very forthright.

    Daniel talks in the last chapter about shutting up the book (of Daniel) until the time of the end, when knowledge is greatly increased and people run to and fro.

    What's the point of your viewpoint?

  • And in the last chapter of Revelation it talks about unsealing the vision "for the time is at hand."

  • "Why would Christians in the roman empire need to be warned about persecution?"

    They were being warned about the future mass persecution by Nero which was worse than what they were experiencing then. Remember that Paul appealed to Caesar in Acts so he could escape the Jews who were the main persecutors at that time. This was before the fire in Rome and Nero's demonic attack on Christianity.

  • "Daniel talks in the last chapter about shutting up the book (of Daniel) until the time of the end, when knowledge is greatly increased and people run to and fro."

    And John is told to NOT seal the book.

    Rev. 22:10 And he said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

  • If you take the Bible literally then the prophecies of Revelation had to come about in a shorter time period than what lapsed between Daniel and John.

    The time was far off in Daniel's day yet it was near in John's. There has been about 2000 years between Rev. and now but there was only about 490 years between Daniel and John. You would have to say that 2490+ years was far off and 2000 years were near. That is a "flawed viewpoint".

  • 1) If John is interpreting Daniel, he did very poorly.

    2) Why would Christians under Roman rule need warning about persecution? Even in Acts 16 it describes Paul being jailed for teaching something that is "unlawful", obviously calling Jesus God instead of Caesar was liable to be detrimental to your health.

    I think you're viewpoint is very flawed.

    I don't think I have any definitive answers, but I don't think you do either.

    What is the point of your doctrine? Go to sleep all is well?

  • The book of Revelation dovetails with the Mount of Olives Sermon. Jesus said in 30 AD that "this generation shall not pass away until all these things come to pass." In Revelation, Jesus is again telling the church, in about 64 --67 AD, that "the time is at hand."

    Optimistic eschatology doesn't lull us to sleep. We don't think that we need to run to the hills because the best is coming, on the contrary we are to go into all the world and preach the Gospel.

  • Can you be more specific when you say an unwilling people?sorry

  • "The signs of the times abound."

    They abounded before the destruction of Jerusalem. Keep studying.

  • so then the mark of the beast is not real is it? it is all figurative right?

  • Many people have already taken the mark of the beast, by thinking wicked things and with their hand committed wickedness, over 2000 people have already accepted the rfid chip. and for those who tattoo their bodies, it will come easy, to accept the mark of the beast. mark=caragma(greek)cutting of the flesh...you have to cut the skin to insert rfid chip

  • so both tatooing and rfid is mark of the devil? how do you know?

  • part2 (cont)...those in Rev 13 are able to choose whether they want the mark in the hand OR in the forehead shows that it must be literal, for if it were symbolic, there would be no choice involved in the matter. Hope that makes sense.

  • Although I'm not a preterist, I agree with Gary DeMar that the prophecies about the "mark" do not require modern technology in order to be fulfilled. I think the mark will be a tattoo. Where I disagree is where he argues that since the mark in Ezekiel 9 is symblioic & the seal in Rev 7 & 14 is symbolic, this therefore proves the beast's mark is symbolic. The difference between the passages is that Ezek 9 and Rev 7-14 speak of a seal/mark on the forehead but not the hand. The fact that (cont)...

  • part2 (cont)...those in Rev 13 are able to choose whether they want the mark in the hand OR in the forehead shows that it must be literal, for if it were symbolic, there would be no choice involved in the matter. Hope that makes sense.

  • Although I'm not a preterist, I agree with Gary DeMar that the prophecies about the "mark" do not require modern technology in order to be fulfilled. I think the mark will be a tattoo. Where I disagree is where he argues that since the mark in Ezekiel 9 is symblioic & the seal in Rev 7 & 14 is symbolic, this therefore proves the beast's mark is symbolic. The difference between the passages is that Ezek 9 and Rev 7-14 speak of a seal/mark on the forehead but not the hand. The fact that (cont)...

  • it does not matter what Gary Demar "thinks"

    Holy Spirit is GOD and HE teaches TRUTH

  • What a video. Go Gary DeMar.

  • good video. i like his explanation.

  • It's not symbolic. Can't this guy read simple English? Nowhere in Revelation does it say the saints of God receive a "mark" from God in their forheads. They receive a "seal" from God in their forheads.

  • Finally a fellow who does not sound like a nut job. Do yourself a favor whether you are a Christian or not; do not watch the Trinity Broadcast Network. TBN is nothing but a bunch of money grabbers. Hal Lindsey conveniently changes "revelation" or his over powering "humble belief" with the times. Hal Lindsey is careful not to make predictions due to the fact he knows what the consequence of a false prophet is.

  • TBN have some OK shows I admit, but as for Hal Lindsey and his Late Great Planet Earth book..forget it.

    There's some really good people that came from Calvary Chapel (Missler, Smith) but their eschatology is backwards.

    I still listen to Missler and Smith for other things, but that's about it.

  • You cant place a tattoo IN your hand or IN your forehead. A mark IN! IN not ON! New World Order

    RFID chips PLD chips. Its on the news people actually do this.

  • You are right- plus there are many other prophecies which can only take place now so these could not have been relevant in the first century as he says- Israel born a nation in one day in 1948 is one.

  • "You cant place a tattoo IN your hand or IN your forehead. A mark IN! IN not ON! New World Order"

    I think you're simply reading too much into the words "in the hand." After all, if I pick up a stone and say, "Hey! I've got a stone in my hand," I don't actually mean that it's literally inside my hand and under my skin. The point is that the mark or tattoo will be in the palm of the hand but visible and on the outside of the skin. The reason it's placed on the hand and forehead is (cont)...

  • part2 (cont)...simply because the hand and forehead are generally the only parts of the body which remain visible when a person is fully clothed. Thus, when someone goes to buy some food, the Antichrist's followers will easily see that the person is a rebel.

  • Excellent! You have a witness!

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