So if the steel was carted away immediately, and the concrete of the building was reduced to dust, what was being cleaned up for almost a year at Ground Zero?
it's nice to see reasonable responces to questions. Jones answered each question without insults. Funny how the pro "official side" can't show the same respect. All they have to offer are insults. Jones wants more proof, funny isn't that scientific? maybe Jones really does know how to be a scientist, can't say that for anybody who believes official theory.
and they ignore data that doesn't support their theory. Even former Nist investgator
James Quintiere says: "A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have."
lisabob22 said "they ignore data that doesn't support their theory."
"We screwed up. We had never seen the CBS video when we claimed that it took WTC 7 6.5 seconds to collapse. We only relied on the street video that does not show the Penthouses. By the time we saw the CBS video, we had so much invested in the 6.5-second collapse time, we could not disappoint our supporters who were successfully using the 6.5 free fall time to push 9/11 Truth. We just ignored the evidence." - Dr S. E. Jones
lol you are repeating a made up quote. Dr. Steven Jones never said that. maybe you can tell us where you found that lie? maybe 911myths, the same place that said Jones was fired. Besides the penthouse collapse just is more proof that it was CD. One of the main columns was under maint. room so for it to collapse first is expected with a CD. It does not increase collapse times. the collapse time starts when top of building starts falling not a room on top of it. Even nist confirms collapse time
lisabob22 sais "you are repeating a made up quote"
Actually you are correct about it being a made up quote. But, the facts are true. Watch the CBS video of collapse of the entire structure, taking at least 13 seconds - contrary to other video clips that only show 7 seconds of the WTC7 collapse
watch?v=4k6GMddY-lQ
Start your stopwatch when you see the top left corner(penthouse) collapsing @0:05 and stop when you think the collapse is over ~0:18
collapse of building starts when the top of the building starts to fall, not when a mech. room on top collapses. So your idea that collapse was more than 7 seconds is mistaken. The mech. room collapse is more proof of CD it is right over core columns
As I said it is a room on top of the building. The collapse of the building starts when it starts to fall, which is easily seen in all videos. The collapse of the mech. room on top of WTC7 is evidence that explosives were used on the core columns. As in all CD's the explosions cause the collapse, but it takes a little time. You start timing the collapse of the building when it starts to fall, not when a room on top is destroyed.
OK I can see I won't be able to make you see that a "a room on top of the building" is actually part of the building(actually it's the top of the building) so I won't waste any time debating it.
I would suggest you read what a team of independent experts had to say about the collapses of WTC 1,2 & 3
IMPLOSIONWORLD'S PAPER ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE'S
Sure there are always loud mouths in every crowd, but there are many more scientist with much more evidence supporting their hypotheses in the truth movement, Scientist like David Griscom.
"Sure there are always loud mouths in every crowd..."
And the same can be true for the "official side" so your generalization of "as All they have to offer are insults." is totally unwarranted and an insult.
OK it is a accurate observation about 85% of the time. Your video evidence actually is more evidence that the truth movement is right about CD being the cause of the 3 wtc building collapses. Your observation of the collapse time is wrong.
What I like about this is that even though everyone found this energy theory to be ridiculous, no one is screaming at her to sit down and throwing feces like neo-cons tend to do.
The real conspiracy THEORY is that a couple dozen Arab schmucks barely capable of driving automobiles somehow managed to defeat a multi-trillion dollar intelligence apparatus by flying commercial airliners with MILITARY PRECISION into targets hundreds of miles away.
The fact that Judy Wood and that Morgan Reynolds clown are trying to disprove all of the "controlled demolition" findings and replacing them with space laser/high energy space weapon and "no plane" theories, really makes me think they are moles. The 9/11 truth movement has gotten lots of attention, and naturally coverups have to be maintained.
I don't think they're moles. I think Reynolds was just upset that Steven Jones was getting more attention and wanted to knock him down a bit. However, by promoting such inane ideas -- beams from orbit -- they've made themselves irrelevant to the debate.
Yes, but we need evidence. Grainy pictures of what appears to be steel evaporating isn't exactly physical evidence. Jones has actually analyzed WTC material to come to his conclusions. I won't rule out anything, but the same people who claim that lasers were responsible also think that the plane footage hitting the buildings could be George Lucas magic.
Thank you Steve. I think there are covert agents tying to make you real, honest scientists look like nutjobs. We need to weed out the fakes, or the truth will never be taken seriously.
What is wrong with people...you know something I really am starting to believe that J. Wood and Reynolds are Shills or CIA agents becuase HOW in the hell do you come up with SPACE BEAMS! SPACE BEAMS! WTF!!!!
Wood has never said anything about space beams! Jones is dishonestly promoting "space beams" and "ray beams from space." Google those terms and see what sites they take you to! Next question: why do these folks promote disinformation?
he makes no sense... the only research worthy of the term so far has been the Judy Wood research
jum401 2 years ago
Jones is an a-hole.
bananian 2 years ago
So if the steel was carted away immediately, and the concrete of the building was reduced to dust, what was being cleaned up for almost a year at Ground Zero?
zeppelinesque 3 years ago
almost a year? try 6 years m8!
jum401 2 years ago
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Check out Jones dodging & tap dancing as he tries to explain why he hasn't had his claims published in an academic journal:
w w w. youtube. com/watch?v=VhGBtRmIeEY
PoetryHound 3 years ago
it's nice to see reasonable responces to questions. Jones answered each question without insults. Funny how the pro "official side" can't show the same respect. All they have to offer are insults. Jones wants more proof, funny isn't that scientific? maybe Jones really does know how to be a scientist, can't say that for anybody who believes official theory.
lisabob22 4 years ago
exactly...they don't employ the scientific method , they work from a conclusion towards data ...
splutonium 4 years ago
and they ignore data that doesn't support their theory. Even former Nist investgator
James Quintiere says: "A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have."
lisabob22 4 years ago
lisabob22 said "they ignore data that doesn't support their theory."
"We screwed up. We had never seen the CBS video when we claimed that it took WTC 7 6.5 seconds to collapse. We only relied on the street video that does not show the Penthouses. By the time we saw the CBS video, we had so much invested in the 6.5-second collapse time, we could not disappoint our supporters who were successfully using the 6.5 free fall time to push 9/11 Truth. We just ignored the evidence." - Dr S. E. Jones
arkgunslinger 4 years ago
lol you are repeating a made up quote. Dr. Steven Jones never said that. maybe you can tell us where you found that lie? maybe 911myths, the same place that said Jones was fired. Besides the penthouse collapse just is more proof that it was CD. One of the main columns was under maint. room so for it to collapse first is expected with a CD. It does not increase collapse times. the collapse time starts when top of building starts falling not a room on top of it. Even nist confirms collapse time
lisabob22 4 years ago
lisabob22 sais "you are repeating a made up quote"
Actually you are correct about it being a made up quote. But, the facts are true. Watch the CBS video of collapse of the entire structure, taking at least 13 seconds - contrary to other video clips that only show 7 seconds of the WTC7 collapse
watch?v=4k6GMddY-lQ
Start your stopwatch when you see the top left corner(penthouse) collapsing @0:05 and stop when you think the collapse is over ~0:18
arkgunslinger 4 years ago 2
collapse of building starts when the top of the building starts to fall, not when a mech. room on top collapses. So your idea that collapse was more than 7 seconds is mistaken. The mech. room collapse is more proof of CD it is right over core columns
lisabob22 4 years ago
so you're saying that the south penthouse is not part of the building? LOL
arkgunslinger 4 years ago 2
As I said it is a room on top of the building. The collapse of the building starts when it starts to fall, which is easily seen in all videos. The collapse of the mech. room on top of WTC7 is evidence that explosives were used on the core columns. As in all CD's the explosions cause the collapse, but it takes a little time. You start timing the collapse of the building when it starts to fall, not when a room on top is destroyed.
do you understand how your logic is wrong?
lisabob22 4 years ago
lisabob22 said
"it is a room on top of the building"
OK I can see I won't be able to make you see that a "a room on top of the building" is actually part of the building(actually it's the top of the building) so I won't waste any time debating it.
I would suggest you read what a team of independent experts had to say about the collapses of WTC 1,2 & 3
IMPLOSIONWORLD'S PAPER ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE'S
implosionworld. com/news. htm#1
It's the top link on the page.
arkgunslinger 4 years ago 2
lisabob22 said
"Funny how the pro "official side" can't show the same respect."
Oh yeah respect like the truthers showed on Bill Mahr's show, during a Geraldo Rivera live TV show, during the Senator John Kerry forum need I go on?
arkgunslinger 4 years ago
Sure there are always loud mouths in every crowd, but there are many more scientist with much more evidence supporting their hypotheses in the truth movement, Scientist like David Griscom.
lisabob22 4 years ago
lisabob22 said
"Sure there are always loud mouths in every crowd..."
And the same can be true for the "official side" so your generalization of "as All they have to offer are insults." is totally unwarranted and an insult.
arkgunslinger 4 years ago 2
no it is a accurate observation
lisabob22 4 years ago
lisabob22
"no it is a accurate observation"
Have I insulted you in any way?
I have provided video and scientific evidence to you that you can choose to either consider and enlighten yourself or keep your self in the dark.
arkgunslinger 4 years ago 2
OK it is a accurate observation about 85% of the time. Your video evidence actually is more evidence that the truth movement is right about CD being the cause of the 3 wtc building collapses. Your observation of the collapse time is wrong.
lisabob22 4 years ago
What I like about this is that even though everyone found this energy theory to be ridiculous, no one is screaming at her to sit down and throwing feces like neo-cons tend to do.
mindlobster 4 years ago
Steven Jones is the real thing.
abelashes 4 years ago
Einstein also said, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth".
All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Dutchboy123a 5 years ago
The real conspiracy THEORY is that a couple dozen Arab schmucks barely capable of driving automobiles somehow managed to defeat a multi-trillion dollar intelligence apparatus by flying commercial airliners with MILITARY PRECISION into targets hundreds of miles away.
Dutchboy123a 5 years ago
The fact that Judy Wood and that Morgan Reynolds clown are trying to disprove all of the "controlled demolition" findings and replacing them with space laser/high energy space weapon and "no plane" theories, really makes me think they are moles. The 9/11 truth movement has gotten lots of attention, and naturally coverups have to be maintained.
DarthKazi 5 years ago
I don't think they're moles. I think Reynolds was just upset that Steven Jones was getting more attention and wanted to knock him down a bit. However, by promoting such inane ideas -- beams from orbit -- they've made themselves irrelevant to the debate.
Ewilds 4 years ago
Wood and Reynolds are moles? How ingenious! And those "moles" are regulary prosecuting the perpetrators, right?
Come to think of it, Wood and Reynolds are the ONLY ones prosecuting the perpetrators. Hummm... imagine that. You are right, there is a cover-up.
"And ye shall judge them by their fruits."
troll4reality 3 years ago
you 3 are all wrong...NASA, space command, and the defense industry have been working on space weapons for 30-40 years...there ARE lasers in space...
cs579 5 years ago
Yes, but we need evidence. Grainy pictures of what appears to be steel evaporating isn't exactly physical evidence. Jones has actually analyzed WTC material to come to his conclusions. I won't rule out anything, but the same people who claim that lasers were responsible also think that the plane footage hitting the buildings could be George Lucas magic.
Asshats!
DarthKazi 5 years ago
Thank you Steve. I think there are covert agents tying to make you real, honest scientists look like nutjobs. We need to weed out the fakes, or the truth will never be taken seriously.
DarthKazi 5 years ago
the crowd seemed to get a bit rowdy. Strange.
theredpill99 5 years ago
What is wrong with people...you know something I really am starting to believe that J. Wood and Reynolds are Shills or CIA agents becuase HOW in the hell do you come up with SPACE BEAMS! SPACE BEAMS! WTF!!!!
PhilE 5 years ago
I don't know... It makes as much or more sense than Bush's version.
sabra93 5 years ago
Wood has never said anything about space beams! Jones is dishonestly promoting "space beams" and "ray beams from space." Google those terms and see what sites they take you to! Next question: why do these folks promote disinformation?
troll4reality 3 years ago