Bullshit.. I speak Arabic and both sentences sounded the same to me. Plus WHY ARE CHRISTIAN NOT ALLOWED TO SPREAD THEIR RELIGION IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES??
Read KJV only. Jesus is not a stone thrower. Jesus wrote in the sand. He did not throw a stone. I don't know how many times I need to say this. Jesus is our example.
Isaiah 1,17,18. Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow,18.Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. To say you do not oppress the gay, zoosexual, and furry of the furry fandom would be a lie. God is pleading with the S&G to not be oppressors. Islamic belief system oppress just like Sodom & Gomorrah, Repeat!
@sherwarz God is not pleased with sacrifice. God is not pleased with the cutting of sexual organs ether,and Muslims do that thinking God likes it. 6 places in the in the KJV old,and new where the heart is to be figuratively circumcised. Islamic traditions parallels the S&G humans,and with their eye for an eye,and oppressive ways perfectly emulate the Sodom & Gomorrah humans. All that war are worse. Poor need food all the time not just on one day. Muslims would just as easily slice off a hand.
this stupid liar has sworn in allah that he will always lie in the name of allah in his fake life,he is just fooling himself and fooling the idiots,the satan would even laugh at his stupid fantasy lies,
ahahahah i laughed at the second one. Ahmed and his lost keys hahaha. SOebhana ALlah surley the Quran is the word of god. Allah u akbhar. Even if you dont understand arabic you will know the diverence.
@slaveofallah8jannah MY God teaches this; love seeks peace, is longsuffering, kind, thoughtful, forgiving, believe, hoping, endures, bears all things,is meek, seeks no evil, rejoices in truth, is wise,and harmless, honest, says edifying words. Does not give evil for evil, gives mercy, not boastful or highminded. Does not give guilt about nakedness or whatever sexuality, seeks peace even when his flesh is threatened. loves all having heaven in them hugging the gay, zoosexual, and Furries too.
@kobidobidog hugging the gay? zoosexual and furries? dont take God lightly His punishment is severe. God condemn the homo and unlawfully sexual acts other than male and female legal marriage. didnt He punish the sodom for being homosexual in the bible? again u r telling lies. the first part was correct but towards the end ur lying and false. Leviticus 18 and 20 Old.T, Matthew 15; Mark 7 New.T, Epistle to the Romans 1:26-27 (EMTV). maybe u should rethink ur religion. Allah guide u.
@sherwarz You heard me hug with love all that I have told you. Want love give love. You can't give what you don't have. Don't want to give a loving compassionate loving hug to them,and there is no loving commpassonate love in you to give. God draws all of us to him with love. God is the father of lights,and that light judges us,and not mortal men that die. Gods word is to heal, and not to spill blood. Jesus was always healing body,and mind.That means you are in error oppressing like a sodomite.
ا80لف في ليبيا ضحايا الفتواى الشاذة لانصاف العلماء الذين يبنون فتاواهم من قنوات التضليل الماسونية مثل الجزيرة فيجيزون الخروج على الامة والتعاون مع الاعداء لقتل اخوانهم المسلمون الاوال يرتحلو بالبلاد على الجمل ليتأكدو من صحة حديث ليبنوا عليه فتوى. تعال الى سوريا بطائرة خلال ساعتين لترى من يقتل من في ليبيا وفي سوريا ثمانون الف في ليبيا لوحدها غير ضحايا عصابات الاجرام في سوريا التي اذاقت العباد والبلاد الامريين تحت شعارالحرية هم خصيمك يوم القيامة يا شيخ محمد فحضر حجتك امام ربك
And again if u read Mohammed's biography u'll see that before Prophethood,he used to spend a lot of time disassociating himself from the people's pagan practices in a cave on a steep mountain.After he became Prophet,Makkans wanted and tried to the very best of their ability to stop him from interacting with ppl at all.Thus,from his biography we know that the story of him listening to various religious accounts from different ppl and puttin it together isn't plausible.
Sorry for taking a while (work and what not) but let me start off with one point I’m trying to make. “Science” in the Quran or Bible or other holy books isn’t really a solid “yes its science” or “it’s just a metaphor”. There is also a lot of extra information added to a particular verse or surah, and if it flies in the face of what we know to be true and is simply wrong then the translation is tweaked or somehow out of context.
It’s always geared towards what the person wants it to say or mean (either way, for or against).For example in the bible god stretches out the heavens, he also folds the heavens like a scroll. This can be seen as the universe expanding after the big bang and scientists think that we can fold space in some way. But is this science? In the torah, first verse. In the beginning (we now know the universe isn’t eternal like it once was thought),
Then third verse god said let there be light and there was light. People used to give this verse crap because there was light before god created stars but the big bang theory there was energy first, i.e. light is energy. So is this science in a holy book or a coincidence? What about things like UFO’s? In the book of Daniel there is a description of a flying vehicle “a wheel within a wheel”, there are chariots of fire in the sky which is how someone of that era would
describe a light in the sky not like any star, planet or meteor. Do you understand my point? I have read your comments again and found that the point I’m making now answers a lot of what you’ve written and its going to be hard because your points are not numbered and in order. A lot of them are rebuttals, I will try my best but could you please write your points and number them again? Thanks
Actually, for clarity and neatness so I don’t miss what you want to point out I will wait for you to comment what you find important to justify that there is science in the Quran that could be attributed to supernatural means. That Gabriel did in fact recite the Quran to Mohammad in the name of Allah. I think that will clear things up quite a bit. Hear from you soon
Right here we go again-actually I thank u for doing this-I like organized debates:)
1)The Quran confirms the Big bang(rather the Big Bang confirms the Quran as the Quran came earlier)in 21:42"Don't the disbelievers see that the Heavens and the Earth were but on entity and we split them asunder?And we made from water every living thing then don't they see?"
2 pts to be noted:the cataclysmic splitting of the universe and also water as the basic building block of life as we knw it
Thanks for the response. First off I want to make it clear what I am debating. The topic is, “Is there specific references to scientific fact in the Quran (and for me at least ANY holy book), that can only be attributed to a supernatural origin, from god?” That is, did god put knowledge unknown at the time in a book? Specific scientific knowledge that has no plausible way of being there other than supernatural means
The more I think about this the more I have to make that point more clear because it is very important. I want to be wrong. I want to know without a doubt that 1.Its science, 2. Unknown at the time, 3. Unable to be known when the book was written because technological advancements were not there, 4. It’s clear that it is supposed to be taken as scientific knowledge and not metaphoric, 5. Chance plays no role, and 6. Beyond reasonable doubt its from supernatural means
If anything I want you to understand what I am debating against. I fully believe in god as one, that created everything and is everywhere and at every time in everything. I just have not seen any evidence of what we are debating. It is either wrong, out of context, known at the time, a good guess etc etc. I want it to be true. I want one religion beyond all doubt thats supernatural and tested to end all war and debate. I don't see Islam as that. Now on to you points.
I’m going by what you wrote as I goggled “English Quran 21:42” and it said something completely different. Water isn’t the basic building block of life. We are carbon based life forms. Water is a guess at best. Now if the Quran said we were made from coal, I could understand your point better (I would still disagree), or even diamonds. Dirt or earth is also a guess at most and couldn’t be considered under the debate topic umbrella.
People back then knew water was needed for life and many religions refer to “water of life”. As for the splitting of the universe. The universe has never split. Maybe give more info on this one because to me it talks more about the earth and heavens being destroyed in some way from god’s power.
The universe wasn’t smoke in its early stages. It was energy that turned into other elements. Or energy to light elements (hydrogen) to heavier elements (lead, nickel). Called physical cosmology or Big Bang nucleosynthesis or primordial nucleosynthesis.
An observation could shed light on what you’re saying but no the Quran is not even close to scientific fact. I know from a distance a nebula may look like soot or ash that is airborne i.e. smoke but its “cloud of dust, hydrogen gas, helium gas and other ionized gases.”
First of all I'd like to sincerely apologize for my stupid typo when I wrote 21:42-it's 21:30 I hope ull forgive me for that.2nd, if u have a pre-existing notion that Islam isn't the way-then that undermines the spirit of our debate.Since ur one of the few well-behaved ones out there I enjoy debating with u :)
U have to open ur mind.Don't say "I'll believe when I'm proved wrong."Just think about what I say and whatever God u believe in,just sincerely ask him for guidance
"Protoplasm is the basis of all living matter, and 'the vital power of protoplasm seems to depend on the constant presence of water"(Lowsons' Text-book of Botany, Indian Edition) and protoplasm is 80-85% water.
Plus, I also said that this verse explicitly talks abt wht we call "Big Bang"-"Don't the unbelievers see that the Heavens and the Earth were one entity and we clove them asunder?"-21:30
The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.
"These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division,giving them the properties of primitive cells.Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals....
"Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles,"says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert"So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane."
The clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation. "It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.
The universe was plasma-which is ionized gases and still 99% of the universe is plasma.
The Quran has poetic eloquence and so describes the visual appearance and thus uses the word 'dukhan' or 'smoke coming from fire' indicating that this particular smoke was also hot-like plasma
the Arabic word 'dukhan' isn't soot or dust in the air-as I said it's 'smoke from fire'-how would an illiterate goat-herder and Bedouin in the middle of a desert even begin to imagine this?
@Discontinuity100 Exactly, how would people back then write holy books? What I meant was smoke from fire is soot or ash that’s airborne. Not what we know it was. So is this science or chance, guess, something completely different? I just can't say that a poetic writing that says smoke from fire is god saying it was energy then gas then solids etc
@Discontinuity100 Hey dude, I understand what you're saying about preconceived notions but I can assure you I have done some study. Now I may not know all about the millions of other religions but we are learning. My mind is not concrete and can change with evidence as I hope yours is. So far I'm a Christian mainly because of the teachings of Jesus. All the love stuff. I'll explain in a PM later. Also I will just number the comments that have to do with debate. Cool?
@Discontinuity100 lol, I'm trying to bro. Give me a chance haha. I need to think and want to put thought into this. I'm not too bright so I need to google a lot of stuff. But trust me, I am reading and thinking about it.
@Discontinuity100 Yeah we have the seven heavens to. Its goog how the quoran is so similar to the bible when it gets it right. lol joking. ;) But read 37:6 again in your comment. Sounds like the sky is where the stars are?
It doesn't use another word for 'sky' here.It uses the same word when its talking abt the 7 heavens and here it uses the singular of 'heaven'.No number for this one :D
The reason y "smoke from fire" was chosen here is because this is an indication of the temperature of the 'smoke'. As I said, open ur mind bro :)
No direct implication I know of-I'll let u know if I find one-But in 81 it talks abt the death of the Sun around the death of the stars implying of similarity
And PS how wud u reply to the statements I made abt the Bible?
@Discontinuity100 I would reply the same way. In the bible there are many verses that people say is science but when scrutinized it doesn't hold up to how I am judging it to the criterea I have numbered in my first couple of comments. We have to remember that there all poetic holy books meant to be read by the masses at various times in human history. I don't think god would write it like that. But then again if your religion says the earth is on a turtles back then that’s different. Back later
Why are u separating the Bible from the Quran?Both THE Bible and the Quran were revealed from the same Creator-and hence the scientific miracles in the Bible-but the Bible was also corrupted by people-hence the "imperfections".The Bible and the Quran teach the same thing-Monotheism.We as Muslims don't reject Jesus like the Jews-No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus.We believe that he was the Messiah.We believe that he healed the lepers and blind-with God's permission.
We believe he was born miraculously from a virgin woman without any male intervention-which many modern-day Christians dont believe.We dont believe he was God-as both the Bible and the Quran say he wasn't.
IF u open ur mind u'll realize that if there was something to fulfill ur criteria EXACTLY then it would've been very hard on those it was revealed to-they would be mocked and thus the fact that u can derive science from the Books gives their divine aspect as it was a mercy on those at the time
As you said before read all of this comment with an open heart and think about it as I might. It’s not to convert you but it will tell you how a lot of people see things so understanding it will benefit you in future run in's with Christians. The bible and Quran are similar in lots of ways. There both Abrahamic religions but the Quran says a lot of stuff which goes against the bible. So they’re not the same.
The bible claims to be the inspired word of god. God spoke directly to the authors. There are unclean spirits and Satan can trick people by looking like an angel of light so we should test spirits in case they trick us and lie.
2Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
The fact an angel spoke to Mohammad and it wasn’t god talking to him directly, like he did with Moses, Abraham, all the authors of the bible, (the torah was written by god and given to Moses) makes a lot of bible believers think the Quran is from Satan. That Mohammad was tricked. No other prophet wrote or got inspiration from an angel. An angel can do work for god and pass messages but never a whole book. Nothing that important.
If you mix some truth with a lie it’s more believable. Also take into account “according to their works”. In Christianity we can’t earn anything, especially from works as we are not perfect and our works are never perfect. So our works are not getting us into heaven.
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”
I'm sorry to be interrupting u like this brother, but I'm sorry to say that I'm kinda in a tight schedule so I'd like you to come here: wwwDot)youtubeDot)com/user/BeholderGuard
My brothers there are more knowledgeable and I also think they can satisfy you better :)
@Discontinuity100 I'm not fully knowledgeable either but I agree with David Lane Craig a lot. He debates atheists and what not. You will like him and he has a two hour debate with a Muslim about Jesus divinity that you should check out. Tell me what you think of it, it’s interesting. I'll watch a few from you if you want. I'll go to that channel you said.
I'm always frequently visiting the channel-its one of my most respected brothers' and most knowledgeable' channel and I already posted a comment about u.Come on
@BizaroMustard100 p5 So as mere mortals, part of god’s creation and fallen, how can we do something for god? It teaches us to be good but that’s not enough for heaven, that’s for us to live in love and peace. We should do good works and god commands us to do good and with love but its not enough to earn anything from god. He loves us all anyway but doesn't need us. We need him.
(can you please number you comments with 1 or a or whatever to stop any confusion. Thanks)
@Discontinuity100 Sorry I meant that just on face value what you wrote sounded like god put stars in our upper atmosphere to make it beautiful. But I can only give a first impression that’s why it’s not numbered and in my official response. Does the Quran say anything about the sun being a star like the others?
@Discontinuity100 Right now I can only give you quick responses so don't worry if there silly. My thought out debate comments are coming soon and I will number them, it makes it easier. And could you give the number of the one you respond to? e.g. Part X Point x etc thanks. YT likes to mess up comments orders.
From quran dot com 51:46 And [We destroyed] the people of Noah before; indeed, they were a people defiantly disobedient. 51:47 And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. 51:48 And the earth We have spread out, and excellent is the preparer. So in context a little different, yes?
So does it say the universe is expanding or heavens are expanding? I haven’t studied so I will guess its expanding with knowledge of god or his people or something similar. The bible says that god stretches out the heavens. A very similar case can be breought forward for that, so which one? I have to say though that this is getting closer to being acceptable but it has too many meanings so it comes under chance for me
2)The Quran says that the universe was smoke in it's early stages!41:11"Then He rose over towards the heaven when it was smoke.."Look at the nebulae and U'll know this is very true
3)The Quran CLEARLY states that the universe is expanding
51:47"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might,and verily,it is We who are steadily expanding it."
4)The Quran says that iron wasn't formed on Earth
57:25"and We sent down iron,in which is(material for)Mighty war, as well as many benefits.."
9)81:15-16"No!I swear by the 'slinkers'.The runners,the 'slinkers'"
I put ' ' around "slinkers".The Arabic word the first time is "Khunnas" coming from "Khans" or being stealthy;appearing only briefly;invisible;unseen-as in 114:4"from the evil of the whispers of the "Khannaas" or "one who recedes quickly;is stealthy;invisible"
The 2nd time the Arabic word is "Kunnas" coming from "Kans" which means to sweep;to wipe;to pull with force ie suck-and hence 'vacuum cleaners' are called 'miknasah'
It was a travel hub because of the Mosque and Ka'bah around it-which the Christians and Jews rarely visited but rather the pagans from all places used to come there to go around the Ka'bah naked!And at the time literacy and scholarship wasn't as common as it is now and the story of Cain and Able isn't necessary for salvation resulting in not many ppl knowing abt it then and now.Scholars were very hard to find then-especially one who knows Hebrew,Aramaic&Arabic-to talk with Mohammed
We can't go on if you refuse some facts. Jew and Christians travelled through there as did many others. Yes there were pagans of many gods one being the moon god. The Ka'bah was a holy site for many people as a meteorite was a magical thing back then. Mohammad heard all about the torah and the gospels he only turned against them as you see in later writings because they refused to see him as a prophet. Hence Quoran= bad copy of bible
Also I have found a trend amongst Muslims to believe that there was not much before Mohammad and the Quran. You guys are literally trying to rewrite history. Learn about pre-Islamic history in the mid-east. It’s a worrying trend to ignore history and to claim scientific credit when there has been not one Muslim Nobel Prize winner in any of the scientific categories.
I think there was one in economics though. One guy who wrote on this topic explained how Islamic countries want the technology but refuse the science needed to create it as its flies in the face of Islamic teachings. There’s ignorance, then wilful ignorance.
The fact that no/few muslims have won Nobel prize for science can only be used as evidence against Islam PROVIDED that the other scientists with Christian/w/e names got the Nobel prize BECAUSE of their religious books/religious teachings.But u see most scientists out there are "scientific atheists" as science cannot prove existence of God and they go by "can't hear'im,can't smell'im,can't.....he ain't there".No we don't ignore all that is out of the Quran-only what goes against the Quran
You have mentioned a few times about the translation I'm reading. What translation would you recommend? And is there a annotated Quran (with meanings of passages, not sure what you call it but we call it an annotated bible)
Brother just look at the trend of school performances and ull notice that even tho science is advancing and the amount to learn is only increasing, topper's percentages are also increasing.10 yrs ago,in my country,when someone got 90% he would top the state-now u need almost 100 even though there's so much more to learn-a testament that ppl nowadays are more intelligent-on the whole that is
But I request u,read all of my comments then answer,don't just pick on something..
..as some of my statements are completed in some later posts.As I told u,the only Bibles that existed then were in Hebrew and Aramaic-Mohammed spoke Arabic and for him to learn the Bible he would have had to find a Priest who knew Hebrew,Aramaic as well as Arabic to speak with Mohammed.Then again,why did Mohammed only copy some but dodn't copy other scientific blunders from the Bible?or from Renowned ancient scientists?Some things mentioned in the Quran agree with ancient philosophers-...
then again y he didn't copy everything?(not to mention again,that he was illiterate),including their errors?And again, read all my responses.And reply to all of them categorically for the purpose of an organized debate.As for my consequent responses,u can only expect them tomorrow as I'm out of free time as of today.It's been nice discussing with u.As for translations,I'm learning Arabic and can understand most of the Quran in Arabic itself-but I'd recommend u to read-they're called "Tafseers":)
I said shahadah in August 2003 when i was 49 years old . I was born in America my parents of scottish ancestry . I can testify to what the Shayk is saying myself . My first Ramadan when i would listen to the tarawee at night , some mights i felt joyful and other nights i wanted to cry but would never know why until i returned home and read in my translation the surrahs recited that night . My heart understood what was being said even when my mind didn't . Masalaama .Thabit
Islam is oppressive. The punishment for leaving islam is death. Your false prophet muhammed was a pedophile and had wives as young as 9 and maybe younger. He was a straight up pederass kiddy toucher! Call me a Kafir, Kuffar, and Kufr or whatever but your douch bag prophet should be on "To catch a predator" on MSNBC (a show where they catch child molesters). You have a filthy child molester as your "God".
I can speak Greek and when I went to Saudi I talked to a couple of Muslims. I said something in Greek and they just asked what it was but when I recited a few chapters out of the Bible they thought I was saying something out of the Quran. When I explained it to them they converted to Christ. Wonderful. Believe me its really really true. hahahahahahahahahahahaha
@BizaroMustard100 You telling me you went to Saudi Arabia, talked to a couple of Muslims who speak Arabic, you said something in Greek, then recited a few chapters out of the bible, but they thought it was something out of the Qur'an. You are a FOOL (respectfully) you telling me a couple of Arabs didn't know the difference between there OWN Language and Greek ? is this what Christians have come too ?
You can see my bullshit a mile away but not this idiot? I just said the same bullshit story that this guy is telling you but made it a Christian to Muslim instead of Muslim to Christian. The problem with a lot of religious people (I say this because Christians and Muslims fall for the same crap con men spew out) the problem is you want positive reinforcement of your beliefs. Doesn't matter how far from reality the lie is, as long as it agrees with what the believer thinks. Its sad
@BizaroMustard100 lol Theres something missing with people like you, just talk absolute no sence. If you knew anything about Islam you will know we do NOT!!! Lie about Allah(SWT) Why would ANY Muslim Lie about Islam. If you notice Islam is the fastest growing Religion!!!! have you seen how many youtube videos of people coming to Islam ? why do we need to make false claims ?
I am sorry to inform you but people lie. Yes even Muslims. I know it's hard to believe but its true. So what made my bullshit story so unbelievable but his bullshit so believable? Same shit different bucket. But let's do a little test. Go and find a church that has a priest and priestess (Christians only have priests not priestess by the way) but find some and do what this liar says he did and see if you get the same results. I'm sorry you fell for the lie but you can learn from it.
Talk to any religious person and they will tell you it's their religion that is the fastest growing. But let's say it's true. Does this make it from god? Christianity is the largest religion in the world so is it truth? The majority of the world once thought the world was flat, so a majority makes truth? No you idiot. Learn something and you might be able to spot con artist liars like this dickhead. So what made my story less believable than his? Your want of it to be true thats all
and finally to respond to your comment. There are thousands of vids on YT from Muslims that are complete rubbish. Did you hear the one about Neil Armstrong and the amazing radiation coming from Mecca? What about science in the Quran, yet where are all the Muslim inventions? As for people coming to Islam, there are thousands more of people going to all sorts of religions. You comment shows just how brain dead you are and I'm sorry for you and hope the spell of stupidity is broken
Islam is the fastest growing religion-It not me that says it-its Guiness book of world records bro
Muslim inventions?
The word 'Algebra' from the word 'al jabr' from the man who called 'algorithm'(so 2 English words from this guy)-his name was 'al Khwarizmi'.He is also called "father of algebra"
The numbers in use in English(1,2, etc) are called "Arabic numerals"
Ibn Sina's "Alqanoon fi al Tibb" was a standard medical txt book even in Europe up to the 18th Century
@Discontinuity100 Funny you brought that up. From 750 AD to 1250 AD Islam was the hub of modern knowledge and technology. It’s not just Algebra but many stars have Arabic names. All faiths were welcome and the first universities were established, I could go on and on about how great the Islamic empire was in that golden age. Then some Imam dickhead said all books other than the Quran was from shatan. The decline was rapid and Islam became barbaric and dumb. Like the dark ages in England cont
Islam split into warring factions and never regained the glory it once was. Sad,,so when I see dickheads lie like this prick I get frustrated that Muslims today continue to shun knowledge and science. Act as Muslims did in the golden age don’t listen to the violent rhetoric shouted at the Muslims today. Fill the streets with blood but DON"T think Islam is anything like its glory days and feel pride. Those Muslims are as far from todays as the west is from the east
Read my reply to your comment, and then tell me why you ask? Have a guess maybe? Its idiocy and lies that I am against. Its hate and violence I abhor. Love and knowledge is the path to Allah. So which religion teaches that and you might guess my religion.
umm I'm sorry but you can either be a Christian who knows surprisingly much about Islam or a muslim who knows surprisingly less about Islam.Do you really think that he's lying here?That is the Quran brother.Anybody with an open Heart who hears recognizes its worth and I mean anybody provided he has an open heart.That is why Quran 41:26 talks about the Quraish saying "Don't listen to this Quran! and preventing others from listening to it.Why?
Do you honestly believe this guys story? Be real for a moment. All people lie. Some religious people lie if it suits their purpose. Or they may embellish a story and justify it by thinking it uplifts the people faith. This guy’s story is so full of shit and yet if you heard the exact same story but with different religions used you would call bullshit strait away. Why? I'm not American but I believe in freedom first. Believe whatever you want but all this BS has to stop. Cont
Yes I do believe him.The story is entirely plausible-ofc u might differ on that-since u dont seem to accept the fact that I quoted the Quran proving this I can deduce that ur not a muslim
Lemme tellu something about the Quran-It says that the universe was one entity which was split asunder(Bing Bang-or Big Bounce) 1400 years ago when ppl blieved tht the Earth was flat and the centre of da universe.It says saltwater and freshwater never mix 1400 years ago....
It says that all living things are made of basically water 1400 years ago.It distinguishes between the light of the Moon and Sun 1400 years ago.It says that the universe was created from Smoke 1400 years ago when modern science discovered it like -perhaps around a century ago.And so I also believe that this book can touch ppl's hearts-Ofc u have the 'right' to have a politically different opinion but I showed u evidence and this is enough for me bro :)
Evidence huh? So the sun sets in a muddy pool? A baby first starts at a blood clot? Not one mention of the females egg only sperm to create a child. Lets forget the misses and focus on the general things that happened to be sort of correct. In a few comments I'll give you some "science" from the quoran. In Job in the bible God talks of mountains under the sea. How did anyone know that? Ask a mormon how they know their religion is the truth. They feel a burning in their bosom.
I will number my comments so you don't miss one and get confused. But you can't go by emotion when sorting out the truth. Every religion feels right to the believer. All say if you listen with an open heart you will believe in X religion, but that doesn't mean its truth. My point is, believe what makes you "feel" good but if you’re looking for truth you need to have a non-emotional method. Let’s begin with this premise. God exists. We can both agree on that yeah? Cont
Classic example of u just looking for "contradictions in the Quran" instead of reading the Quran cover from cover.That is the way u have to explore any religion
18:86"IT SEEMED TO HIM(Dhul Qarnayn)the sun setting in a murky spring".The Arabic word for "blood clot" is "Alaq" which means 3 things:A congealed blood,something that clings,a chewed substance.Now we know that the Zygote goes and 'Implants' itself onto the uterus-clinging when?100 yrs?200 yrs?Quran says it 1400 yrs ago
@Discontinuity100 Wait an hour or so if you could and answer what I write. It’s hard to get everything on one comment and if you read my first couple it won't be all good. What I'm trying to do is make a case for your science in the Quran. If I'm wrong tell me but please wait . I'll tell you when I'm done ok? And please remember, its truth we are both trying to get to. Not politics or what the people of certain religions do weather good or bad. We are debating a book. A friendly debate. Yeah?
5:27-31 The Quran repeats the story about Cain and Abel (though they are unnamed in the Quran) Not science but copying the bible.
12:4 When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me. (we could find more planets perhaps? But not around our star)
13:2 "The sun ... runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun (according to the Quran) orbits the earth.
7:143 And when his Lord revealed (His) glory to the mountain He sent it crashing down. And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers. (A mountain falling might just kill a man, and there would be evidence yes? This is the Quoran telling the story of Moses and the burning bush as found in the Torah but with Quoranic slant to it
7:80-81 Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) But, in fact, such acts are common in many other species. This I find debatable though. A male dog may hump another not because of sex but as domination. So either or on this one.
7:124 Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred
18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness
18:90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.
The sun not only orbits around the earth but rises from a place on earth and sets at the other end of this flat earth
16:68-68 "And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying ... eat of all fruits."
Allah told bees to eat from all fruits, but decided to eat nectar and pollen instead.
13:3 "And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams." Not only sounds flat earth but hills and streams were made over millions of years by the plates moving, not placed like in a model of sorts.
There’s more but that’s enough. If I didn't answer any of your questions point them out and I'll give my best. I’m for knowledge not to win or lose. If I misunderstood tell me. But please don't assume I haven't read the Quran cover to cover, it makes no difference if I did or didn't. Have you read all religious texts that you don't adhere to? This is only about science not other things I find false or plain morally wrong, we can talk about those later perhaps?
Isaiah 11:12 "and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH"
Revelation 7:1"I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH,holding the four winds of the earth,that the wind should not blow on the earth,nor on the sea,nor on any tree"
Job 38:13"That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH"
Jeremiah 16:19"the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH.."
I can go on and on..The Quran never says any "ends" or corners" of Earth
There are bees that also feed on fruit nectar-but what I find interesting is that u ignore the fact that Honey is shown as a cure and with healing properties 1400 years ago while modern medicine is just now beginning to understand.Its application is very wide ranging
Again,the word for "spreading out" is "madda"(singulad 3rd person) and "madadna" in other places(plural 1st person) simply means "expanded" or "increased in spaciousness" and doesnt say about physical shape..
79:30 the Arabic word "Dahaha" means "made it round" and if u study Arabic carefully,it means made it round,similar to an egg!And that is how our Earth is!We just discovered that the Earth isn't completely spherical,but the Quran says it 1400 years ago!
If I were u,these miracles would block out the seeming moral difficulties and I would recognize it as a miracle.Returning to Re:comment3,if the Quran was copied,then it would also have copied what the Bible says abt the Earth...
As I said,Quran has poetic eloquence.It describes the scene through Dhul-Qarnain's eyes-we can deduce from verse 18:90 that he was in a highly mountainous region,all he saw was the Sun disappearing from the Horizon where he saw a mudy lake/spring
same with 18:90 The Arabic equivalent for "rising/setting PLACE" isn't used in any of the verses
If u want an advanced answer,bear with me
In the Quran,the word for "He reached" is "balagha"-which is almost everywhere else used for time
Eg:"He reached adolescence","He reached manhood",etc.So it can be deduced that here it refers to him reaching the TIME OF SUNSET but definitely not the "Place".The word "adraka" would be closer to the literal meaning-which isn't used here.18:90 implies that he kept travelling throughout the night and reached the sunrise time-dawn-when he found a town-which was possibly on high Mt.s and so had no higher Mt. to give them shade,or it cud mean they were going thru drought-hence no shelter
i find it funny that u refer to such inferior organisms doing things to prove that us humans can also do it
7:124-How can u be sure?U know as well as I do that History is NEVER the same as we know it-it is impossible-or prty close to it-for something to be passed down by humans exactly as it was-Just play a game of "telephone" or "Chinese whisper" and ull knw what i'm talkin abt.
18:86-this is a mistake by translators.U may read the Tafseer(commentary)or I'll tell u briefly
I can't believe you don't know about oral traditions. On topic, Bedouins have stories that last for hours from memory. There have been studies not on the accuracy of these Islamic stories but on whether there the same. It’s not even close to Chinese whispers. Remember that these people were just as intelligent as people today; they just didn't have as much accumulated knowledge. So what did they do on long nights but pass oral traditions, lean about the stars etc.
Again,Mohammed was illiterate and the striking similarity of stories in a book he never read to a Book they(Jews+Christians) never read made many of them accept islam.7:143"" So when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He made it collapse to dust,.." is a closer translation to the Arabic text.It doesn't mean that Moses was standing on the same Mt.-even if ur anywhere near such an event u'd b lucky to escape alive-which Moses was-as Allah protected him.
Aah but u must know my friend,that Mohammed was illiterate!He couldn't read and write Arabic let alone Hebrew and aramaic-There was no Arabic translation of the Bible!So he must have had to go and learn Hebrew and Aramaic,learn the Bible from a scholar then come back to Makkah and recite.But the most destructive argument against this is-why did he only copy these stories?He could also copy the utterly implausible stories and claims in the Bible?(i will give u some later insha Allah)
Mohammad wasn't the one who wrote the Quran. There were very extensive oral traditions of many different religions. Mohammad was at a major travel hub where many different peoples went through to sell or buy. Many Jews and Christians would have told of their religions so maybe that’s why he knew so much of the bible yet his version differs. Makes more sense now doesn't it. Compared with Mohammad learning all that. There is always a simple explanation.
Sorry I'll be back in an hour or two to hopefully read your expiations on the bad science I told you about and to answer any questions you have. Please go through each one and explain why there wrong. What happened? Are they satanic verses meant to confuse or did he recite the truth and the scribes get it wrong? The word of God contains no errors, especially to do with science. So please answer, I look forward to reading your thoughts
These 11 planets were metaphorically referring to his 11 Brothers and the Sun and Moon to his Father and Mother-in the end of the story Joseph becomes Finance Minister of Egypt,gets reunited with his family and they prostrate to him(not in worship)-his dream is a vision of this incident in the future
13:2"He has subjected the sun and the moon,Each running(its course)for a term appointed.."
It doesn't say that their courses are the same(around Earth)-Just that they both have courses
Salt and fresh water can mix, try it at home or are you talking about fresh water rivers meeting the sea? Yes the water doesn't mix but 1400 years ago and today you can see it with your own eyes. Everything in the Quran was general knowledge of the day or plagiarised from the bible and other sources. Remember the bible was written 3500 to 2000 years ago. God’s word wouldn't have one error would it? So let’s begin and if I misquote please explain. Open your heart ok
The Quran speaks in poetical eloquence,not scientific description as it was a challenge to the Quraish-they were very good at poetry-but even then it has scientific facts that i will mention after I have responded to u insha Allah.The Quran speaksnot of a salt-water and freshwater experiment as 25:53 and 55:19 say he split the "Bahryn" or 2 "seas" or "waterbodies" indicating of natural application not experimental.
23:13 as well as 22:5 Muhsin Khan's translation-the word 'nutfa' means mixture of both male and female germ cells.Therefore suggest u actually check and read-at least the alleged "contradictions" before posting them :)-btw what about MY previous posts?How du answer that?Yes exactly u need to have a non-emotional method-but if ppl come following their hearts,who am I to stop them?In Makkah,Prophet used to recite Quran at the Haram.Ppl who used to listen from curiosity mostly ended up converting.
Because any1 without an agenda,unlike the Quraish who heard the Quran,would accept Islam.There were ppl entering Islam everyday-which is why Quraish took all sorts of measures to put their best effort to prevent themselves as well as others to listen to the Quran!
The problem in the World is that the majority of the ppl have absolutely NO IDEA what Islam is or what the word "Arabic" means and some of these have fallen prey to anti-muslim media and think they know Islam while they know nothing...
@mrDonVito19 You sound like a son of a pedophilian.If you're stuck in your christian pedophilian homosexual culture,come to Islam and you will be comfortable with ur life.
Sorry but I just have to call you out on your comment. You say "christian pedophilian homosexual culture" (I'll look past the spelling because english might not be your first language) BUT your prophet had sex with a nine year old child when he was 52. And you call Christians pedophiles? Are you that brainwashed? Tell me, if you had a nine year old child would you be happy for your little girl to marry and have sex with a 52 year old man? Shame on you. That is disgusting and sick.
@MultiJakyy يا أخ لعلك لا تتبع فهمه لإتباع السلف أو ما شابه أو منهجه الفهمي لنصوص و آثار الإسلامية و لكن يبقى هناك دين يربطنا و حقوق علينا لإخواننا المسلمين الأخر و إن اختلفوا والإحترام و التأدب من شيم الإسلام فتخلق بها يا أخ و إن كنت واثقا أنك على حق فقل خيرا أو أصمت
The world would be so much safer for everyone if the powers in religion revised the books to disallow any form of violence whatsoever. You believe what you want, I'll believe what I want and we can walk down the street as citizens of the same world without fear of violence for simply having a different idea in our heads.
I could forgive this man's lies if he was ignorant but he has been and seen with his own eye's the things he lies about. Why does he lie so much to his own people? Is he that insecure of his own religion that he feels that if he doesn't lie he is betraying his god shatan, the father of lies? Come on people, are you really that dumb? Read the Quran, great! But this guy? It's so obvious whenever he talks. I've never heard a true story from him. What a shame.
You are pathetic mate, how do you know that what the sheikh may Allah's blessings be upon him, are lies, have you ever been with him? are you one of his students? or is it just pure hatred towards the sheikhs of Ahl As Sunnah Wal Jama3a? I am pretty sure it is the last one and that you are most likely a follower of the 12 imams mate.. so you better go dig up the truth about your aqeedah, how it evolved and who the founder is?
@aymenzant lol. There is no hate. I'll put it this way. If I came on youtube and told a few lies about something you know a lot about would it be hate if you pointed out the lies? I know he is lieing so what should I do. It's obvious for crying out loud but you go on and think its hate. So stupid to believe such things.
Mr sheik I don't know,,once tell us true logical story for god's sake,,aren't you shame on yourself of your silly lies,,wake up Mr sheik I don't know,,you will burn in the hell,,
Mr sheik, you ask two priests why god doesn't have 20 or 30 sons,they answer you she/he I don't know,,I don't know,,I don't know,,but I asked god the same question in person,,he answered me,,first of all I can't afford 30 sons with one wife even sexually and financially,,Mr sheik,we as muslims feel shame on your silly fairy stories,,stop lying stupid lies for honest muslim's sake,,
Is this guy a wizard? Does he do magic?
theSicilianToe 1 week ago
What a wonderful story.
lanama4 1 week ago
Bullshit.. I speak Arabic and both sentences sounded the same to me. Plus WHY ARE CHRISTIAN NOT ALLOWED TO SPREAD THEIR RELIGION IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES??
gkreisheh1 1 month ago
Thumbs up for Muslims!
TheSomaliGangsta 2 months ago 9
Haha mashAllah !
AbdulMalikSWEDEN 2 months ago
Read KJV only. Jesus is not a stone thrower. Jesus wrote in the sand. He did not throw a stone. I don't know how many times I need to say this. Jesus is our example.
kobidobidog 2 months ago
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Isaiah 1,17,18. Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow,18.Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. To say you do not oppress the gay, zoosexual, and furry of the furry fandom would be a lie. God is pleading with the S&G to not be oppressors. Islamic belief system oppress just like Sodom & Gomorrah, Repeat!
kobidobidog 2 months ago
@sherwarz God is not pleased with sacrifice. God is not pleased with the cutting of sexual organs ether,and Muslims do that thinking God likes it. 6 places in the in the KJV old,and new where the heart is to be figuratively circumcised. Islamic traditions parallels the S&G humans,and with their eye for an eye,and oppressive ways perfectly emulate the Sodom & Gomorrah humans. All that war are worse. Poor need food all the time not just on one day. Muslims would just as easily slice off a hand.
kobidobidog 2 months ago
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kobidobidog 2 months ago
MasheAllah.. BarakAllahofeek :-D
Takbeer; AllahoAkbar!
Wallahee its true, you feel something deep inside when the Quran is being recited.
amatirahman 2 months ago
woow..it's cool!!
episodelani 2 months ago
this stupid liar has sworn in allah that he will always lie in the name of allah in his fake life,he is just fooling himself and fooling the idiots,the satan would even laugh at his stupid fantasy lies,
themuslim69 3 months ago
ahahahah i laughed at the second one. Ahmed and his lost keys hahaha. SOebhana ALlah surley the Quran is the word of god. Allah u akbhar. Even if you dont understand arabic you will know the diverence.
Abdelmajid22 3 months ago
@slaveofallah8jannah MY God teaches this; love seeks peace, is longsuffering, kind, thoughtful, forgiving, believe, hoping, endures, bears all things,is meek, seeks no evil, rejoices in truth, is wise,and harmless, honest, says edifying words. Does not give evil for evil, gives mercy, not boastful or highminded. Does not give guilt about nakedness or whatever sexuality, seeks peace even when his flesh is threatened. loves all having heaven in them hugging the gay, zoosexual, and Furries too.
kobidobidog 3 months ago
@kobidobidog hugging the gay? zoosexual and furries? dont take God lightly His punishment is severe. God condemn the homo and unlawfully sexual acts other than male and female legal marriage. didnt He punish the sodom for being homosexual in the bible? again u r telling lies. the first part was correct but towards the end ur lying and false. Leviticus 18 and 20 Old.T, Matthew 15; Mark 7 New.T, Epistle to the Romans 1:26-27 (EMTV). maybe u should rethink ur religion. Allah guide u.
sherwarz 2 months ago
@sherwarz You heard me hug with love all that I have told you. Want love give love. You can't give what you don't have. Don't want to give a loving compassionate loving hug to them,and there is no loving commpassonate love in you to give. God draws all of us to him with love. God is the father of lights,and that light judges us,and not mortal men that die. Gods word is to heal, and not to spill blood. Jesus was always healing body,and mind.That means you are in error oppressing like a sodomite.
kobidobidog 2 months ago
subhanallah, thank you for posting this video my my Ikhwan thank you. it is so inspiring...
kinkycocktail 3 months ago
ا80لف في ليبيا ضحايا الفتواى الشاذة لانصاف العلماء الذين يبنون فتاواهم من قنوات التضليل الماسونية مثل الجزيرة فيجيزون الخروج على الامة والتعاون مع الاعداء لقتل اخوانهم المسلمون الاوال يرتحلو بالبلاد على الجمل ليتأكدو من صحة حديث ليبنوا عليه فتوى. تعال الى سوريا بطائرة خلال ساعتين لترى من يقتل من في ليبيا وفي سوريا ثمانون الف في ليبيا لوحدها غير ضحايا عصابات الاجرام في سوريا التي اذاقت العباد والبلاد الامريين تحت شعارالحرية هم خصيمك يوم القيامة يا شيخ محمد فحضر حجتك امام ربك
MrAminfaruk 4 months ago
@MrAminfaruk
انت شن دخلك في ليبيا!!!
MsMohamednouri 3 months ago
And again if u read Mohammed's biography u'll see that before Prophethood,he used to spend a lot of time disassociating himself from the people's pagan practices in a cave on a steep mountain.After he became Prophet,Makkans wanted and tried to the very best of their ability to stop him from interacting with ppl at all.Thus,from his biography we know that the story of him listening to various religious accounts from different ppl and puttin it together isn't plausible.
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Part 1
Sorry for taking a while (work and what not) but let me start off with one point I’m trying to make. “Science” in the Quran or Bible or other holy books isn’t really a solid “yes its science” or “it’s just a metaphor”. There is also a lot of extra information added to a particular verse or surah, and if it flies in the face of what we know to be true and is simply wrong then the translation is tweaked or somehow out of context.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 2
It’s always geared towards what the person wants it to say or mean (either way, for or against).For example in the bible god stretches out the heavens, he also folds the heavens like a scroll. This can be seen as the universe expanding after the big bang and scientists think that we can fold space in some way. But is this science? In the torah, first verse. In the beginning (we now know the universe isn’t eternal like it once was thought),
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 3
Then third verse god said let there be light and there was light. People used to give this verse crap because there was light before god created stars but the big bang theory there was energy first, i.e. light is energy. So is this science in a holy book or a coincidence? What about things like UFO’s? In the book of Daniel there is a description of a flying vehicle “a wheel within a wheel”, there are chariots of fire in the sky which is how someone of that era would
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 4
describe a light in the sky not like any star, planet or meteor. Do you understand my point? I have read your comments again and found that the point I’m making now answers a lot of what you’ve written and its going to be hard because your points are not numbered and in order. A lot of them are rebuttals, I will try my best but could you please write your points and number them again? Thanks
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 5
Actually, for clarity and neatness so I don’t miss what you want to point out I will wait for you to comment what you find important to justify that there is science in the Quran that could be attributed to supernatural means. That Gabriel did in fact recite the Quran to Mohammad in the name of Allah. I think that will clear things up quite a bit. Hear from you soon
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Right here we go again-actually I thank u for doing this-I like organized debates:)
1)The Quran confirms the Big bang(rather the Big Bang confirms the Quran as the Quran came earlier)in 21:42"Don't the disbelievers see that the Heavens and the Earth were but on entity and we split them asunder?And we made from water every living thing then don't they see?"
2 pts to be noted:the cataclysmic splitting of the universe and also water as the basic building block of life as we knw it
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Part 1
Thanks for the response. First off I want to make it clear what I am debating. The topic is, “Is there specific references to scientific fact in the Quran (and for me at least ANY holy book), that can only be attributed to a supernatural origin, from god?” That is, did god put knowledge unknown at the time in a book? Specific scientific knowledge that has no plausible way of being there other than supernatural means
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 2
The more I think about this the more I have to make that point more clear because it is very important. I want to be wrong. I want to know without a doubt that 1.Its science, 2. Unknown at the time, 3. Unable to be known when the book was written because technological advancements were not there, 4. It’s clear that it is supposed to be taken as scientific knowledge and not metaphoric, 5. Chance plays no role, and 6. Beyond reasonable doubt its from supernatural means
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 3
If anything I want you to understand what I am debating against. I fully believe in god as one, that created everything and is everywhere and at every time in everything. I just have not seen any evidence of what we are debating. It is either wrong, out of context, known at the time, a good guess etc etc. I want it to be true. I want one religion beyond all doubt thats supernatural and tested to end all war and debate. I don't see Islam as that. Now on to you points.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 4 Point 1
I’m going by what you wrote as I goggled “English Quran 21:42” and it said something completely different. Water isn’t the basic building block of life. We are carbon based life forms. Water is a guess at best. Now if the Quran said we were made from coal, I could understand your point better (I would still disagree), or even diamonds. Dirt or earth is also a guess at most and couldn’t be considered under the debate topic umbrella.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 5 Point 1
People back then knew water was needed for life and many religions refer to “water of life”. As for the splitting of the universe. The universe has never split. Maybe give more info on this one because to me it talks more about the earth and heavens being destroyed in some way from god’s power.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 6 Point 2
The universe wasn’t smoke in its early stages. It was energy that turned into other elements. Or energy to light elements (hydrogen) to heavier elements (lead, nickel). Called physical cosmology or Big Bang nucleosynthesis or primordial nucleosynthesis.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 7 Point 2
An observation could shed light on what you’re saying but no the Quran is not even close to scientific fact. I know from a distance a nebula may look like soot or ash that is airborne i.e. smoke but its “cloud of dust, hydrogen gas, helium gas and other ionized gases.”
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 8 Point 2
Instead of smoke if it was even something like "dirt or sand came together" that would be a lot closer to scientific fact than fiction.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
First of all I'd like to sincerely apologize for my stupid typo when I wrote 21:42-it's 21:30 I hope ull forgive me for that.2nd, if u have a pre-existing notion that Islam isn't the way-then that undermines the spirit of our debate.Since ur one of the few well-behaved ones out there I enjoy debating with u :)
U have to open ur mind.Don't say "I'll believe when I'm proved wrong."Just think about what I say and whatever God u believe in,just sincerely ask him for guidance
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Re4
"Protoplasm is the basis of all living matter, and 'the vital power of protoplasm seems to depend on the constant presence of water"(Lowsons' Text-book of Botany, Indian Edition) and protoplasm is 80-85% water.
Plus, I also said that this verse explicitly talks abt wht we call "Big Bang"-"Don't the unbelievers see that the Heavens and the Earth were one entity and we clove them asunder?"-21:30
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Re4
The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.
"These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division,giving them the properties of primitive cells.Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals....
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Re4
"Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles,"says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert"So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane."
The clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation. "It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.
-Thats a research :)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Re6
The universe was plasma-which is ionized gases and still 99% of the universe is plasma.
The Quran has poetic eloquence and so describes the visual appearance and thus uses the word 'dukhan' or 'smoke coming from fire' indicating that this particular smoke was also hot-like plasma
the Arabic word 'dukhan' isn't soot or dust in the air-as I said it's 'smoke from fire'-how would an illiterate goat-herder and Bedouin in the middle of a desert even begin to imagine this?
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Exactly, how would people back then write holy books? What I meant was smoke from fire is soot or ash that’s airborne. Not what we know it was. So is this science or chance, guess, something completely different? I just can't say that a poetic writing that says smoke from fire is god saying it was energy then gas then solids etc
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Hey dude, I understand what you're saying about preconceived notions but I can assure you I have done some study. Now I may not know all about the millions of other religions but we are learning. My mind is not concrete and can change with evidence as I hope yours is. So far I'm a Christian mainly because of the teachings of Jesus. All the love stuff. I'll explain in a PM later. Also I will just number the comments that have to do with debate. Cool?
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
u also missed so many other points I made pls read them bro :)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 lol, I'm trying to bro. Give me a chance haha. I need to think and want to put thought into this. I'm not too bright so I need to google a lot of stuff. But trust me, I am reading and thinking about it.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
Re9
37:6"verily we have beautified the heaven of the Earth(or 'near heaven') with stars"
51:48"And the Heaven we have created with might, and it is we who are expanding."
We believe that this whole universe(excluding the Earth) is the 1st heaven,after which there are 6 more.
So the Heaven talked abt here is indeed the universe.
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Yeah we have the seven heavens to. Its goog how the quoran is so similar to the bible when it gets it right. lol joking. ;) But read 37:6 again in your comment. Sounds like the sky is where the stars are?
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
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BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
It doesn't use another word for 'sky' here.It uses the same word when its talking abt the 7 heavens and here it uses the singular of 'heaven'.No number for this one :D
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
but if u take my request then pls number them like how I numbered them before-in my points.If ur already doing that then just ignore this post :D
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Re"Ur 2nd post before my 'Re9'"
The reason y "smoke from fire" was chosen here is because this is an indication of the temperature of the 'smoke'. As I said, open ur mind bro :)
No direct implication I know of-I'll let u know if I find one-But in 81 it talks abt the death of the Sun around the death of the stars implying of similarity
And PS how wud u reply to the statements I made abt the Bible?
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 I would reply the same way. In the bible there are many verses that people say is science but when scrutinized it doesn't hold up to how I am judging it to the criterea I have numbered in my first couple of comments. We have to remember that there all poetic holy books meant to be read by the masses at various times in human history. I don't think god would write it like that. But then again if your religion says the earth is on a turtles back then that’s different. Back later
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
Why are u separating the Bible from the Quran?Both THE Bible and the Quran were revealed from the same Creator-and hence the scientific miracles in the Bible-but the Bible was also corrupted by people-hence the "imperfections".The Bible and the Quran teach the same thing-Monotheism.We as Muslims don't reject Jesus like the Jews-No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus.We believe that he was the Messiah.We believe that he healed the lepers and blind-with God's permission.
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
We believe he was born miraculously from a virgin woman without any male intervention-which many modern-day Christians dont believe.We dont believe he was God-as both the Bible and the Quran say he wasn't.
IF u open ur mind u'll realize that if there was something to fulfill ur criteria EXACTLY then it would've been very hard on those it was revealed to-they would be mocked and thus the fact that u can derive science from the Books gives their divine aspect as it was a mercy on those at the time
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 p1
As you said before read all of this comment with an open heart and think about it as I might. It’s not to convert you but it will tell you how a lot of people see things so understanding it will benefit you in future run in's with Christians. The bible and Quran are similar in lots of ways. There both Abrahamic religions but the Quran says a lot of stuff which goes against the bible. So they’re not the same.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 p2
The bible claims to be the inspired word of god. God spoke directly to the authors. There are unclean spirits and Satan can trick people by looking like an angel of light so we should test spirits in case they trick us and lie.
2Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 p3
The fact an angel spoke to Mohammad and it wasn’t god talking to him directly, like he did with Moses, Abraham, all the authors of the bible, (the torah was written by god and given to Moses) makes a lot of bible believers think the Quran is from Satan. That Mohammad was tricked. No other prophet wrote or got inspiration from an angel. An angel can do work for god and pass messages but never a whole book. Nothing that important.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 p4
If you mix some truth with a lie it’s more believable. Also take into account “according to their works”. In Christianity we can’t earn anything, especially from works as we are not perfect and our works are never perfect. So our works are not getting us into heaven.
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I'm sorry to be interrupting u like this brother, but I'm sorry to say that I'm kinda in a tight schedule so I'd like you to come here: wwwDot)youtubeDot)com/user/BeholderGuard
My brothers there are more knowledgeable and I also think they can satisfy you better :)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
BeholderGuard* and not Beh-olderGuard
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 I'm not fully knowledgeable either but I agree with David Lane Craig a lot. He debates atheists and what not. You will like him and he has a two hour debate with a Muslim about Jesus divinity that you should check out. Tell me what you think of it, it’s interesting. I'll watch a few from you if you want. I'll go to that channel you said.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Do you want to take it here? there are no comments and its a really good topic
RE 5 Questions Every Intelligent Muslim Should Answer - Islam & Prophet Mohammad
watch?v=AuL2ejwvCpA&feature=channel_video_title
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
bro I meant pls comment on the channel-there's a higher word limit as well so its also more convenient
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 sorry, ok tell me when you go there next time. I'll be there
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I'm always frequently visiting the channel-its one of my most respected brothers' and most knowledgeable' channel and I already posted a comment about u.Come on
looking forward.. :)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 p5 So as mere mortals, part of god’s creation and fallen, how can we do something for god? It teaches us to be good but that’s not enough for heaven, that’s for us to live in love and peace. We should do good works and god commands us to do good and with love but its not enough to earn anything from god. He loves us all anyway but doesn't need us. We need him.
(can you please number you comments with 1 or a or whatever to stop any confusion. Thanks)
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Sorry I meant that just on face value what you wrote sounded like god put stars in our upper atmosphere to make it beautiful. But I can only give a first impression that’s why it’s not numbered and in my official response. Does the Quran say anything about the sun being a star like the others?
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
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@Discontinuity100 Right now I can only give you quick responses so don't worry if there silly. My thought out debate comments are coming soon and I will number them, it makes it easier. And could you give the number of the one you respond to? e.g. Part X Point x etc thanks. YT likes to mess up comments orders.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 9 Point 3
From quran dot com 51:46 And [We destroyed] the people of Noah before; indeed, they were a people defiantly disobedient. 51:47 And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. 51:48 And the earth We have spread out, and excellent is the preparer. So in context a little different, yes?
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 10 Point 3
So does it say the universe is expanding or heavens are expanding? I haven’t studied so I will guess its expanding with knowledge of god or his people or something similar. The bible says that god stretches out the heavens. A very similar case can be breought forward for that, so which one? I have to say though that this is getting closer to being acceptable but it has too many meanings so it comes under chance for me
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
2)The Quran says that the universe was smoke in it's early stages!41:11"Then He rose over towards the heaven when it was smoke.."Look at the nebulae and U'll know this is very true
3)The Quran CLEARLY states that the universe is expanding
51:47"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might,and verily,it is We who are steadily expanding it."
4)The Quran says that iron wasn't formed on Earth
57:25"and We sent down iron,in which is(material for)Mighty war, as well as many benefits.."
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
5)The Quran speaks of a 7-layered atmosphere 65:12"Allah is He Who Created seven firmaments and of the earth the same number.."
6)The Sun is predicted to form a Newtron star 81:1"when the Sun shall be shrunk into a condensed ball"
7)The Quran SPEAKS OF THE COSMIC WEB! 51:7"By the Sky full of interwoven paths"
55:37"When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint" Look up in Google for "cat's eye Nebula" and related pictures
8)Just look up embryology in the Quran and be amazed :)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
9)81:15-16"No!I swear by the 'slinkers'.The runners,the 'slinkers'"
I put ' ' around "slinkers".The Arabic word the first time is "Khunnas" coming from "Khans" or being stealthy;appearing only briefly;invisible;unseen-as in 114:4"from the evil of the whispers of the "Khannaas" or "one who recedes quickly;is stealthy;invisible"
The 2nd time the Arabic word is "Kunnas" coming from "Kans" which means to sweep;to wipe;to pull with force ie suck-and hence 'vacuum cleaners' are called 'miknasah'
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
My net is crashing frequently..
continuing with the Bible,
the Bible refers to the Earth having "corners","ends" in Isaiah 11:12,Revelation 7:1,Job 38:13,Jeremiah 16:19,Daniel 4:11,Matthew 4:8
The Bible places the Earth(not world so its not metaphoric) on "foundations":
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved"Psalm 104:5
The Bible gives 'edges' to Earth
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?Job 38:13
similar in Job 37:32,8:24,11:9
You see?
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
ReRe:Comment3
It was a travel hub because of the Mosque and Ka'bah around it-which the Christians and Jews rarely visited but rather the pagans from all places used to come there to go around the Ka'bah naked!And at the time literacy and scholarship wasn't as common as it is now and the story of Cain and Able isn't necessary for salvation resulting in not many ppl knowing abt it then and now.Scholars were very hard to find then-especially one who knows Hebrew,Aramaic&Arabic-to talk with Mohammed
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 ReRe:Comment3
We can't go on if you refuse some facts. Jew and Christians travelled through there as did many others. Yes there were pagans of many gods one being the moon god. The Ka'bah was a holy site for many people as a meteorite was a magical thing back then. Mohammad heard all about the torah and the gospels he only turned against them as you see in later writings because they refused to see him as a prophet. Hence Quoran= bad copy of bible
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100
Part uno
Also I have found a trend amongst Muslims to believe that there was not much before Mohammad and the Quran. You guys are literally trying to rewrite history. Learn about pre-Islamic history in the mid-east. It’s a worrying trend to ignore history and to claim scientific credit when there has been not one Muslim Nobel Prize winner in any of the scientific categories.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Part due
I think there was one in economics though. One guy who wrote on this topic explained how Islamic countries want the technology but refuse the science needed to create it as its flies in the face of Islamic teachings. There’s ignorance, then wilful ignorance.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
Re:uno
The fact that no/few muslims have won Nobel prize for science can only be used as evidence against Islam PROVIDED that the other scientists with Christian/w/e names got the Nobel prize BECAUSE of their religious books/religious teachings.But u see most scientists out there are "scientific atheists" as science cannot prove existence of God and they go by "can't hear'im,can't smell'im,can't.....he ain't there".No we don't ignore all that is out of the Quran-only what goes against the Quran
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100
You have mentioned a few times about the translation I'm reading. What translation would you recommend? And is there a annotated Quran (with meanings of passages, not sure what you call it but we call it an annotated bible)
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Brother just look at the trend of school performances and ull notice that even tho science is advancing and the amount to learn is only increasing, topper's percentages are also increasing.10 yrs ago,in my country,when someone got 90% he would top the state-now u need almost 100 even though there's so much more to learn-a testament that ppl nowadays are more intelligent-on the whole that is
But I request u,read all of my comments then answer,don't just pick on something..
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
..as some of my statements are completed in some later posts.As I told u,the only Bibles that existed then were in Hebrew and Aramaic-Mohammed spoke Arabic and for him to learn the Bible he would have had to find a Priest who knew Hebrew,Aramaic as well as Arabic to speak with Mohammed.Then again,why did Mohammed only copy some but dodn't copy other scientific blunders from the Bible?or from Renowned ancient scientists?Some things mentioned in the Quran agree with ancient philosophers-...
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
then again y he didn't copy everything?(not to mention again,that he was illiterate),including their errors?And again, read all my responses.And reply to all of them categorically for the purpose of an organized debate.As for my consequent responses,u can only expect them tomorrow as I'm out of free time as of today.It's been nice discussing with u.As for translations,I'm learning Arabic and can understand most of the Quran in Arabic itself-but I'd recommend u to read-they're called "Tafseers":)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Hehe amazing story!
lovepoison102 5 months ago
I said shahadah in August 2003 when i was 49 years old . I was born in America my parents of scottish ancestry . I can testify to what the Shayk is saying myself . My first Ramadan when i would listen to the tarawee at night , some mights i felt joyful and other nights i wanted to cry but would never know why until i returned home and read in my translation the surrahs recited that night . My heart understood what was being said even when my mind didn't . Masalaama .Thabit
TheThabit 5 months ago
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Islam is oppressive. The punishment for leaving islam is death. Your false prophet muhammed was a pedophile and had wives as young as 9 and maybe younger. He was a straight up pederass kiddy toucher! Call me a Kafir, Kuffar, and Kufr or whatever but your douch bag prophet should be on "To catch a predator" on MSNBC (a show where they catch child molesters). You have a filthy child molester as your "God".
sstyrant88 5 months ago
oh realy this was great mashallah
darkhorse091 5 months ago
I can speak Greek and when I went to Saudi I talked to a couple of Muslims. I said something in Greek and they just asked what it was but when I recited a few chapters out of the Bible they thought I was saying something out of the Quran. When I explained it to them they converted to Christ. Wonderful. Believe me its really really true. hahahahahahahahahahahaha
BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 You telling me you went to Saudi Arabia, talked to a couple of Muslims who speak Arabic, you said something in Greek, then recited a few chapters out of the bible, but they thought it was something out of the Qur'an. You are a FOOL (respectfully) you telling me a couple of Arabs didn't know the difference between there OWN Language and Greek ? is this what Christians have come too ?
Allahsarmy 5 months ago
@Allahsarmy
You can see my bullshit a mile away but not this idiot? I just said the same bullshit story that this guy is telling you but made it a Christian to Muslim instead of Muslim to Christian. The problem with a lot of religious people (I say this because Christians and Muslims fall for the same crap con men spew out) the problem is you want positive reinforcement of your beliefs. Doesn't matter how far from reality the lie is, as long as it agrees with what the believer thinks. Its sad
BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 lol Theres something missing with people like you, just talk absolute no sence. If you knew anything about Islam you will know we do NOT!!! Lie about Allah(SWT) Why would ANY Muslim Lie about Islam. If you notice Islam is the fastest growing Religion!!!! have you seen how many youtube videos of people coming to Islam ? why do we need to make false claims ?
Allahsarmy 5 months ago
@Allahsarmy
I am sorry to inform you but people lie. Yes even Muslims. I know it's hard to believe but its true. So what made my bullshit story so unbelievable but his bullshit so believable? Same shit different bucket. But let's do a little test. Go and find a church that has a priest and priestess (Christians only have priests not priestess by the way) but find some and do what this liar says he did and see if you get the same results. I'm sorry you fell for the lie but you can learn from it.
BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
@Allahsarmy
Talk to any religious person and they will tell you it's their religion that is the fastest growing. But let's say it's true. Does this make it from god? Christianity is the largest religion in the world so is it truth? The majority of the world once thought the world was flat, so a majority makes truth? No you idiot. Learn something and you might be able to spot con artist liars like this dickhead. So what made my story less believable than his? Your want of it to be true thats all
BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
@Allahsarmy
and finally to respond to your comment. There are thousands of vids on YT from Muslims that are complete rubbish. Did you hear the one about Neil Armstrong and the amazing radiation coming from Mecca? What about science in the Quran, yet where are all the Muslim inventions? As for people coming to Islam, there are thousands more of people going to all sorts of religions. You comment shows just how brain dead you are and I'm sorry for you and hope the spell of stupidity is broken
BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Islam is the fastest growing religion-It not me that says it-its Guiness book of world records bro
Muslim inventions?
The word 'Algebra' from the word 'al jabr' from the man who called 'algorithm'(so 2 English words from this guy)-his name was 'al Khwarizmi'.He is also called "father of algebra"
The numbers in use in English(1,2, etc) are called "Arabic numerals"
Ibn Sina's "Alqanoon fi al Tibb" was a standard medical txt book even in Europe up to the 18th Century
-wikipedia
Discontinuity100 5 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Funny you brought that up. From 750 AD to 1250 AD Islam was the hub of modern knowledge and technology. It’s not just Algebra but many stars have Arabic names. All faiths were welcome and the first universities were established, I could go on and on about how great the Islamic empire was in that golden age. Then some Imam dickhead said all books other than the Quran was from shatan. The decline was rapid and Islam became barbaric and dumb. Like the dark ages in England cont
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Part 2
Islam split into warring factions and never regained the glory it once was. Sad,,so when I see dickheads lie like this prick I get frustrated that Muslims today continue to shun knowledge and science. Act as Muslims did in the golden age don’t listen to the violent rhetoric shouted at the Muslims today. Fill the streets with blood but DON"T think Islam is anything like its glory days and feel pride. Those Muslims are as far from todays as the west is from the east
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
btw which religion du follow bro?
Discontinuity100 5 months ago
@Discontinuity100
Read my reply to your comment, and then tell me why you ask? Have a guess maybe? Its idiocy and lies that I am against. Its hate and violence I abhor. Love and knowledge is the path to Allah. So which religion teaches that and you might guess my religion.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
umm I'm sorry but you can either be a Christian who knows surprisingly much about Islam or a muslim who knows surprisingly less about Islam.Do you really think that he's lying here?That is the Quran brother.Anybody with an open Heart who hears recognizes its worth and I mean anybody provided he has an open heart.That is why Quran 41:26 talks about the Quraish saying "Don't listen to this Quran! and preventing others from listening to it.Why?
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100
Do you honestly believe this guys story? Be real for a moment. All people lie. Some religious people lie if it suits their purpose. Or they may embellish a story and justify it by thinking it uplifts the people faith. This guy’s story is so full of shit and yet if you heard the exact same story but with different religions used you would call bullshit strait away. Why? I'm not American but I believe in freedom first. Believe whatever you want but all this BS has to stop. Cont
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Yes I do believe him.The story is entirely plausible-ofc u might differ on that-since u dont seem to accept the fact that I quoted the Quran proving this I can deduce that ur not a muslim
Lemme tellu something about the Quran-It says that the universe was one entity which was split asunder(Bing Bang-or Big Bounce) 1400 years ago when ppl blieved tht the Earth was flat and the centre of da universe.It says saltwater and freshwater never mix 1400 years ago....
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
It says that all living things are made of basically water 1400 years ago.It distinguishes between the light of the Moon and Sun 1400 years ago.It says that the universe was created from Smoke 1400 years ago when modern science discovered it like -perhaps around a century ago.And so I also believe that this book can touch ppl's hearts-Ofc u have the 'right' to have a politically different opinion but I showed u evidence and this is enough for me bro :)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100
Evidence huh? So the sun sets in a muddy pool? A baby first starts at a blood clot? Not one mention of the females egg only sperm to create a child. Lets forget the misses and focus on the general things that happened to be sort of correct. In a few comments I'll give you some "science" from the quoran. In Job in the bible God talks of mountains under the sea. How did anyone know that? Ask a mormon how they know their religion is the truth. They feel a burning in their bosom.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Comment 1
I will number my comments so you don't miss one and get confused. But you can't go by emotion when sorting out the truth. Every religion feels right to the believer. All say if you listen with an open heart you will believe in X religion, but that doesn't mean its truth. My point is, believe what makes you "feel" good but if you’re looking for truth you need to have a non-emotional method. Let’s begin with this premise. God exists. We can both agree on that yeah? Cont
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Classic example of u just looking for "contradictions in the Quran" instead of reading the Quran cover from cover.That is the way u have to explore any religion
18:86"IT SEEMED TO HIM(Dhul Qarnayn)the sun setting in a murky spring".The Arabic word for "blood clot" is "Alaq" which means 3 things:A congealed blood,something that clings,a chewed substance.Now we know that the Zygote goes and 'Implants' itself onto the uterus-clinging when?100 yrs?200 yrs?Quran says it 1400 yrs ago
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Wait an hour or so if you could and answer what I write. It’s hard to get everything on one comment and if you read my first couple it won't be all good. What I'm trying to do is make a case for your science in the Quran. If I'm wrong tell me but please wait . I'll tell you when I'm done ok? And please remember, its truth we are both trying to get to. Not politics or what the people of certain religions do weather good or bad. We are debating a book. A friendly debate. Yeah?
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 comment 3
5:27-31 The Quran repeats the story about Cain and Abel (though they are unnamed in the Quran) Not science but copying the bible.
12:4 When Joseph said unto his father: O my father! Lo! I saw in a dream eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them prostrating themselves unto me. (we could find more planets perhaps? But not around our star)
13:2 "The sun ... runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun (according to the Quran) orbits the earth.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Comment 4
7:143 And when his Lord revealed (His) glory to the mountain He sent it crashing down. And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers. (A mountain falling might just kill a man, and there would be evidence yes? This is the Quoran telling the story of Moses and the burning bush as found in the Torah but with Quoranic slant to it
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Comment 5
7:80-81 Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) But, in fact, such acts are common in many other species. This I find debatable though. A male dog may hump another not because of sex but as domination. So either or on this one.
7:124 Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Comment 6
Back to your muddy spring
18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness
18:90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.
The sun not only orbits around the earth but rises from a place on earth and sets at the other end of this flat earth
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Comment 7
16:68-68 "And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying ... eat of all fruits."
Allah told bees to eat from all fruits, but decided to eat nectar and pollen instead.
13:3 "And He it is Who spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams." Not only sounds flat earth but hills and streams were made over millions of years by the plates moving, not placed like in a model of sorts.
15:19 "And the earth have We spread out."
Again sounds like a flat earth
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Comment 8
There’s more but that’s enough. If I didn't answer any of your questions point them out and I'll give my best. I’m for knowledge not to win or lose. If I misunderstood tell me. But please don't assume I haven't read the Quran cover to cover, it makes no difference if I did or didn't. Have you read all religious texts that you don't adhere to? This is only about science not other things I find false or plain morally wrong, we can talk about those later perhaps?
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
Re:comment8..
Isaiah 11:12 "and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH"
Revelation 7:1"I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH,holding the four winds of the earth,that the wind should not blow on the earth,nor on the sea,nor on any tree"
Job 38:13"That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH"
Jeremiah 16:19"the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH.."
I can go on and on..The Quran never says any "ends" or corners" of Earth
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Re:comment7
There are bees that also feed on fruit nectar-but what I find interesting is that u ignore the fact that Honey is shown as a cure and with healing properties 1400 years ago while modern medicine is just now beginning to understand.Its application is very wide ranging
Again,the word for "spreading out" is "madda"(singulad 3rd person) and "madadna" in other places(plural 1st person) simply means "expanded" or "increased in spaciousness" and doesnt say about physical shape..
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Comment7+8
79:30 the Arabic word "Dahaha" means "made it round" and if u study Arabic carefully,it means made it round,similar to an egg!And that is how our Earth is!We just discovered that the Earth isn't completely spherical,but the Quran says it 1400 years ago!
If I were u,these miracles would block out the seeming moral difficulties and I would recognize it as a miracle.Returning to Re:comment3,if the Quran was copied,then it would also have copied what the Bible says abt the Earth...
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Comment6..
As I said,Quran has poetic eloquence.It describes the scene through Dhul-Qarnain's eyes-we can deduce from verse 18:90 that he was in a highly mountainous region,all he saw was the Sun disappearing from the Horizon where he saw a mudy lake/spring
same with 18:90 The Arabic equivalent for "rising/setting PLACE" isn't used in any of the verses
If u want an advanced answer,bear with me
In the Quran,the word for "He reached" is "balagha"-which is almost everywhere else used for time
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Comment6..
Eg:"He reached adolescence","He reached manhood",etc.So it can be deduced that here it refers to him reaching the TIME OF SUNSET but definitely not the "Place".The word "adraka" would be closer to the literal meaning-which isn't used here.18:90 implies that he kept travelling throughout the night and reached the sunrise time-dawn-when he found a town-which was possibly on high Mt.s and so had no higher Mt. to give them shade,or it cud mean they were going thru drought-hence no shelter
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
re:comment5+6
i find it funny that u refer to such inferior organisms doing things to prove that us humans can also do it
7:124-How can u be sure?U know as well as I do that History is NEVER the same as we know it-it is impossible-or prty close to it-for something to be passed down by humans exactly as it was-Just play a game of "telephone" or "Chinese whisper" and ull knw what i'm talkin abt.
18:86-this is a mistake by translators.U may read the Tafseer(commentary)or I'll tell u briefly
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 re:comment5+6
I can't believe you don't know about oral traditions. On topic, Bedouins have stories that last for hours from memory. There have been studies not on the accuracy of these Islamic stories but on whether there the same. It’s not even close to Chinese whispers. Remember that these people were just as intelligent as people today; they just didn't have as much accumulated knowledge. So what did they do on long nights but pass oral traditions, lean about the stars etc.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
Re:comment4
Again,Mohammed was illiterate and the striking similarity of stories in a book he never read to a Book they(Jews+Christians) never read made many of them accept islam.7:143"" So when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He made it collapse to dust,.." is a closer translation to the Arabic text.It doesn't mean that Moses was standing on the same Mt.-even if ur anywhere near such an event u'd b lucky to escape alive-which Moses was-as Allah protected him.
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Re:comment3
Aah but u must know my friend,that Mohammed was illiterate!He couldn't read and write Arabic let alone Hebrew and aramaic-There was no Arabic translation of the Bible!So he must have had to go and learn Hebrew and Aramaic,learn the Bible from a scholar then come back to Makkah and recite.But the most destructive argument against this is-why did he only copy these stories?He could also copy the utterly implausible stories and claims in the Bible?(i will give u some later insha Allah)
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@Discontinuity100 Reply to Re:comment3
Mohammad wasn't the one who wrote the Quran. There were very extensive oral traditions of many different religions. Mohammad was at a major travel hub where many different peoples went through to sell or buy. Many Jews and Christians would have told of their religions so maybe that’s why he knew so much of the bible yet his version differs. Makes more sense now doesn't it. Compared with Mohammad learning all that. There is always a simple explanation.
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Sorry I'll be back in an hour or two to hopefully read your expiations on the bad science I told you about and to answer any questions you have. Please go through each one and explain why there wrong. What happened? Are they satanic verses meant to confuse or did he recite the truth and the scribes get it wrong? The word of God contains no errors, especially to do with science. So please answer, I look forward to reading your thoughts
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
Re:comment3
These 11 planets were metaphorically referring to his 11 Brothers and the Sun and Moon to his Father and Mother-in the end of the story Joseph becomes Finance Minister of Egypt,gets reunited with his family and they prostrate to him(not in worship)-his dream is a vision of this incident in the future
13:2"He has subjected the sun and the moon,Each running(its course)for a term appointed.."
It doesn't say that their courses are the same(around Earth)-Just that they both have courses
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Comment 2
Salt and fresh water can mix, try it at home or are you talking about fresh water rivers meeting the sea? Yes the water doesn't mix but 1400 years ago and today you can see it with your own eyes. Everything in the Quran was general knowledge of the day or plagiarised from the bible and other sources. Remember the bible was written 3500 to 2000 years ago. God’s word wouldn't have one error would it? So let’s begin and if I misquote please explain. Open your heart ok
BizaroMustard100 4 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Friendly debate.Acknowledged
The Quran speaks in poetical eloquence,not scientific description as it was a challenge to the Quraish-they were very good at poetry-but even then it has scientific facts that i will mention after I have responded to u insha Allah.The Quran speaksnot of a salt-water and freshwater experiment as 25:53 and 55:19 say he split the "Bahryn" or 2 "seas" or "waterbodies" indicating of natural application not experimental.
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
23:13 as well as 22:5 Muhsin Khan's translation-the word 'nutfa' means mixture of both male and female germ cells.Therefore suggest u actually check and read-at least the alleged "contradictions" before posting them :)-btw what about MY previous posts?How du answer that?Yes exactly u need to have a non-emotional method-but if ppl come following their hearts,who am I to stop them?In Makkah,Prophet used to recite Quran at the Haram.Ppl who used to listen from curiosity mostly ended up converting.
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
Because any1 without an agenda,unlike the Quraish who heard the Quran,would accept Islam.There were ppl entering Islam everyday-which is why Quraish took all sorts of measures to put their best effort to prevent themselves as well as others to listen to the Quran!
The problem in the World is that the majority of the ppl have absolutely NO IDEA what Islam is or what the word "Arabic" means and some of these have fallen prey to anti-muslim media and think they know Islam while they know nothing...
Discontinuity100 4 months ago
A priest and a priestess? This guy has it all wrong. He'd be better off if he read the Bible and heeded the words of God.
pmoyer50 5 months ago
ALLAH AKBR
xNOOORx 6 months ago
@mrDonVito19 You sound like a son of a pedophilian.If you're stuck in your christian pedophilian homosexual culture,come to Islam and you will be comfortable with ur life.
izri1 6 months ago
@izri1
Sorry but I just have to call you out on your comment. You say "christian pedophilian homosexual culture" (I'll look past the spelling because english might not be your first language) BUT your prophet had sex with a nine year old child when he was 52. And you call Christians pedophiles? Are you that brainwashed? Tell me, if you had a nine year old child would you be happy for your little girl to marry and have sex with a 52 year old man? Shame on you. That is disgusting and sick.
BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
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BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
jazak Allah khair ya shaik very inspiring talk
abuhamzah09 7 months ago 4
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abuhamzah09 7 months ago
alahu akbar
shakiibyare 7 months ago
الله اكبر
Ahmed70033 7 months ago
Masya Allah. Lovely story
ZulMT86 7 months ago
@shelbayehfood I don't have a father i must be the son of ALLAH!
globalchaos1984 7 months ago
اكبر كذاب في العالم حتى تفوق على مسيلمه الكذاب
MultiJakyy 7 months ago
@MultiJakyy يا أخ لعلك لا تتبع فهمه لإتباع السلف أو ما شابه أو منهجه الفهمي لنصوص و آثار الإسلامية و لكن يبقى هناك دين يربطنا و حقوق علينا لإخواننا المسلمين الأخر و إن اختلفوا والإحترام و التأدب من شيم الإسلام فتخلق بها يا أخ و إن كنت واثقا أنك على حق فقل خيرا أو أصمت
MercifulJustice 6 months ago
subhanAllah!!!
nafisusm 8 months ago
It's a very good way to teach Islam to non-Muslims especially Christians..
hmaidoi 8 months ago
cet imam est trés fort et intelligent
Stronggirl50 8 months ago
subhanAllah.Allahu Akbar.God is great,people!!!
ummkoko 8 months ago
The world would be so much safer for everyone if the powers in religion revised the books to disallow any form of violence whatsoever. You believe what you want, I'll believe what I want and we can walk down the street as citizens of the same world without fear of violence for simply having a different idea in our heads.
Jammsbro1 9 months ago
I could forgive this man's lies if he was ignorant but he has been and seen with his own eye's the things he lies about. Why does he lie so much to his own people? Is he that insecure of his own religion that he feels that if he doesn't lie he is betraying his god shatan, the father of lies? Come on people, are you really that dumb? Read the Quran, great! But this guy? It's so obvious whenever he talks. I've never heard a true story from him. What a shame.
BizaroMustard100 9 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
You are pathetic mate, how do you know that what the sheikh may Allah's blessings be upon him, are lies, have you ever been with him? are you one of his students? or is it just pure hatred towards the sheikhs of Ahl As Sunnah Wal Jama3a? I am pretty sure it is the last one and that you are most likely a follower of the 12 imams mate.. so you better go dig up the truth about your aqeedah, how it evolved and who the founder is?
aymenzant 5 months ago
@aymenzant lol. There is no hate. I'll put it this way. If I came on youtube and told a few lies about something you know a lot about would it be hate if you pointed out the lies? I know he is lieing so what should I do. It's obvious for crying out loud but you go on and think its hate. So stupid to believe such things.
BizaroMustard100 5 months ago
who want Mohammad Al-Arifi number send me a message ......>>
btoolh 10 months ago
MasyaAllah.. T____T
DrVyruzz 10 months ago
AsalaamuAlaykum, Alhamdulillah thanks for sharing the story SubhanAllah.
May Allah guide us all to give dawah , InshaAllah Ameen.
May Allah reward you, Ameen.
JazakaAllah Khair.
spiritlite 1 year ago
Subtitles are not well synchronized with the video :D
send me the original one without subs, I will make a better one, if you want :D
iHateMyLifeGr 1 year ago
wow subanallah what a beautiful story i hope those people became muslim
ashirin01 1 year ago
every human can realize the words of Allah even he don't know arabic..because the soule and the heart feel it subhan Allah
Lockenkeks 1 year ago
allahuakbar!!!
NasMoG1 1 year ago
ALLLLLLLLLLLAH HU AKBAR
TruthToEntertain 1 year ago
Mr sheik I don't know,,once tell us true logical story for god's sake,,aren't you shame on yourself of your silly lies,,wake up Mr sheik I don't know,,you will burn in the hell,,
themuslim69 1 year ago
Mr sheik, you ask two priests why god doesn't have 20 or 30 sons,they answer you she/he I don't know,,I don't know,,I don't know,,but I asked god the same question in person,,he answered me,,first of all I can't afford 30 sons with one wife even sexually and financially,,Mr sheik,we as muslims feel shame on your silly fairy stories,,stop lying stupid lies for honest muslim's sake,,
themuslim69 1 year ago
@themuslim69 could you guess why do God send his own son to us and kill him just for free us from our father "Adam" sin
is that logic?!!
why can't God just forgive Adam for his sin?
why we carry our father's sin?
FYI, Jesus has never got burned or died.
if you look at this website, you'll see what I mean:
w w w . washingtontimes . com/news/2006/apr/07/20060407-120642-3758r/
Quran:
4:157 : "and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa)"
bestworldever07 1 year ago