Flight Simulator X | NDB Approach with movable card ADF.

[LM10WCSA2010]

I GOTTA LEARN THIS SHIT

[KERVERAS]

sorry i want to say movable card..by the way do you know where i can find exercises for practice ifr flying in FSX

[KERVERAS]

hello...just want to say that this video is onne of the best videos ever for ADB Fixed Card Lecture...I love old fashion navigation because it makes you brain active...your video will help me improving my technique with the fixed card as i always fly with RMI i find Fixed Card confusing...and this what i am trying to explain to other friends...flying the A320 setting the Fms and set the ils CAt 3 autoland is easy..but navigating a cessna this is what makes you better!! thanx again 

[VOLXOM1]

thank you

[jNS278]

oh my god you forgot to gear up !! XD

[MrFtaita]

NICE SHIT BRO

[AndracaAviation]

Hi! I'm practicing some NDB approaches. I am trying to practice using the Beechcraft Baron 58, but I can't seem to locate a way to turn the RMI needle to the correct heading. Can you help? I have tried everything, but I just can't find the nob or something to turn it...

[jmr604]

@AndracaAviation It turns on it's own... it's a heading indicator with an ADF needle on it.. it's automatic.

[AndracaAviation]

@jmr604 So it is not movable like the ADF on the Cessna in this video? Thanks for your help! I'll start practicing some more :)

[rimxxx]

@AndracaAviation If I remember well, as soon as you take off it should detect the NDB. In real life it tunes while you;re on the ground but for some reason in FSX it tunes once you start climbing at about 300-400AGL.

[jmr604]

@rimxxx In real life the ADF will point to a station if it is close enough to the airport... in flight sim, I don't think the simulate "line of sight" very well, but I haven't used it in a while so I don't remember.. but real life, the ADF will point on the ground as long as the signal is picked up... if it's more than I'd say 10 miles away it probably won't get picked up on the ground... just a guess.

[rimxxx]

@jmr604 - Exactly, well said. I am a pilot in real life and picking up the signal works at most airports with NDB approaches, even on the ground. However, in flight simulator x you have to be close to airborne until you can capture it. This sucks because before you can actually go fly IFR you have to complete your IFR checks and be sure that your ADFs are 100% operative ;)

[tbmavengerstuka]

good flying, but I sure as hell hope you don't forget what I'm about to tell you when you're flying for real. it's crucial to have the ADF ident on when navigating off of it, especially for NDB approaches. If lets say an ILS signal or VOR signal fail, you get a flag. If GPS loses signal, you get a message/ or RAIM not satisfied. But if the NDB station fails, you won't know necessarily unless the ident is on. Just remember that the IDENT has to be on when navigating off the NDB

[jmr604]

Yeah, I know that. And I do, do that. But this is a simulator.

[theREALpianoman0615]

nvm i fixed it

it started workin when i got in the air and started moving

[theREALpianoman0615]

somebody plz help

ive tried starting out at airport KAIY, and i was trying to use the NBD to get to KMIV by using the RNB nbd. So, im on the ground and i put the freq into the NDB radio section, and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! am i supposed to turn it on after i put in the freq or something??? plz help!!!

[Title27GT]

@theREALpianoman0615 You are probably out of range of the NDB my friend!

[jmr604]

Your either out of range, or the NDB frequency isn't correct. Check in map view and go to the NDB and click on it to see if it's frequency is the same as whatever map you are using.

[IndependentIV]

what kind of approach is this?

[bravoalpha80]

Great video !!!. Great demonstration also !!!

[FlyinTheNetherlands]

Haha, use flaps as a speed brake? Does work but not that smart :P!

Wat is the difference between Vfe and Vref?

Is Vref the target speed?

[jmr604]

Flaps work great as speed breaks if you remain within the Vfe limits. Vref your final approach speed.. or "over the fence" speed.. some call it.... you don't have to calculate it flying jets (on the sim atleast) if you know the proper pitch attitude at Vref, all you have to do is slow the airplane down until you reach that proper nose up pitch attitude and tah dah, your at Vref.

[cookiemonster0626]

aT 07:38 u had 10 degrees of flaps and u were traveling above maximum flap extension speed. thats bad airmanship dude.

[jmr604]

VFE for 10° of flap on this airplane is 110kts. Anything more VFE is 85kts. The Cessna 206 I fly in real life VFE at 10° is 140kts and anything more is 100kts.... Most aircraft can extend a certian amount of flap before reaching the white arc... Larger aircraft often have VFE's for every flap setting. Good eye for catching that, but that white arc isn't the limit all flap settings. Every airplane is different.

[jmr604]

**isn't the limit for all flap settings.

[cookiemonster0626]

Dude, i'm training on a Cessna 172SP with an instructor and the cruising speed of the airplane is 110kts. how can its VFE be also 110 kts?

Nice video though. keep it up

[jmr604]

VFE for 10 degrees of flap = 110kts.

VFE for 20 degrees of flap = 85kts.

VFE for 30 degrees of flap = 85kts.

Look at the flap handle on your airplane, VFE's are written right beside or underneath the handle... or look in the POH.

In the 206 I fly.. I don't extend 10 degrees of flap right at the VFE of 140, I am a little more gentle on them and usually extend them around 120kts and they act as a speed break, and they slow me down so I don't have to reduce the power so much..

[jmr604]

Maybe VFE for all flap settings on your airplane is white arc... SOME airplanes are like that.. but not all of them... like I said.. some airplanes have different VFE for every flap setting...

[SGadd87]

Would love to see you fly a flawless NDB approach with a MOVABLE card ADF no less. HSI's and RMI's spoil us big time. How about a little respect.

Besides, a Skyhawk will not come apart a few knots above VFE at 10 degrees.

This FSX video is better than the millions of others of kids jacking around and making videos. Great teaching tool. Well done.

[jmr604]

I would love to make more videos, show different types of approaches... and other things.. but, I don't have the time these days.

[ljubisa88]

I don't trust autopilot :)))))))

[ljubisa88]

I didn't think anything wrong, just asking dude, I Don't Mean To Insult You and  I like your videos very much :)))) ,

PS I know for real life, that pilots don't like use autopilot with small plane :D, me too

Greetings from Europe !!!!

[jmr604]

I wasn't insulted.. if I had an autopilot in my real airplane I would use it all the time. lol Cheers.

[ljubisa88]

Can you tell me? did you use autopilot ??? or just trim...

[jmr604]

I was using autopilot because I had to operate the camera and fly at the same time.... in real life I've never flown an airplane with autopilot before... and I've been flying for 9 years. lol

[ljubisa88]

You are the best , well done, Keep posting ...

[ljubisa88]

yes I can confirm, that only large aricraft need flaps at take off.

I never use flaps with cesssna 172, 182 at take off.

ps well done, great tutorial, are you pilot in real life ?

[jmr604]

Yes I am a pilot in real life, I have a few thousand hours flying Cessna 206 and Cherokee Six's... flapless takeoffs are fine, but personally I prefer flaps on takeoff all the time just to reduce stress on the gear... but even more so when I fly off gravel runways... which is about 75% of the time.

[flycrazy1123]

i went flying i yesterday and my flight instructor got kind on angry wathching one of his studets screwing up wile soloing and on of his comments was "put up your flaps" because he did a go around and still had his flaps up

[jmr604]

A lot of aircraft it is fine to takeoff without flap, but it is not normal. A lot of aircraft, particularly larger aircraft require flaps on takeoff or else their takeoff run will be extremely long and does nothing but increase stress on the wheels. Maybe you should talk to your instructor about your confusion.

[flycrazy1123]

not supposed to use flaps on take off

[jmr604]

Wrong buddy.

[navyocs]

not necissarily.

[jmr604]

Well, he said "not supposed too" like I was doing something wrong.. when I wasn't... there are times when flapless takeoffs are better but that is far and few between.. I fly everyday and rarely see anyone takeoff flapless.

[jmr604]

the only time I do that is when it's very windy.

[mablus]

Thank you mate

[macattali]

Nice work really appreciate...got my CFII checkride in a week nice lil review

[maxpower1870]

You dont realy have to keep moving the card. If you can just picture the needle on your HSI that is your bearing to or from the station

[Cioris84]

can you tell me how to make a NDB land using a 737 ??

[strangerx1]

dude you are the best !

[strangerx1]

Sir why did you do a 45* interception due to bad weather enroute ?

[jmr604]

Where? In the procedure turn? The standard procedure turn is 45°

[jmr604]

I was just practicing.. I set the weather the way it was. I got another tip for you. While holding down the ALT key, press 0, 1, 7, 6. On the keypad and see what you get.

[jmr604]

Oh, on departure you mean... Probably because it's easiest to do when using the moveable card.... if I was using an RMI I probably would have used a smaller interscept angle because I was fairly close to the NDB and it's easier to use.

[sk8forlife99]

ohhhh ok thanks!

[sk8forlife99]

weird.... in my fsx, the ADF pointer moves automatically

[jmr604]

all pointer move automatically... it's the outside card that you have to move.. unless it's an RMI... everything moves by itself on those.

[P0werw1se]

Excellent stuff.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there even a point to moving the ADF card? And why couldn't Cessna make it move automatically?

[jmr604]

Well, I guess it's just a cheap mans RMI... I guess if you had a co-pilot I would get him to constantly adjust the card to match my heading for the whole approach. lol

[apg1978]

I've not started any (real) lessons yet, but want to... and wondered how these worked! Thanks, that helps.

[pandixiong]

Thank you very much,jmr604.I am a private pilot now,I am learning how to use NDB,your video really helps me a lot.But I have question about the video,something I don`t understand.When you are returning to the NDB,why do you fly heading 270? The course is 278,so,I do not understand.

[jmr604]

The apporach plate simply says "return to the NDB" so it doesn't matter what bearing you return to the NDB on just as long as you go back to it at the MSA or whatever altitude the MAP procedure says to be at. But, outbound you must be on the proper bearing. ;)

[jmr604]

If there was wind it might be better to enter a hold EAST of the NDB inbound on the 098 bearing before beginning the actual approach procedure... OR interscept the 098 bearing inbound before crossing over the NDB for the approach procedure... it was kind of odd in the video becuase I took off from the airport and returned... basically a missed approach... usually you are coming from somewhere else before conducting the approach.

[jmr604]

It's so much easier to do an NDB approach the an RMI. Rather than having to move the stupid card around all the time. In Canada anyways seems like everyone is using RNAV/GPS now a lot more than NDB approach... at my local airport there is an NDB approach and in 5 years I never seen anyone use it.

[yinetglez2003]

not bad mate but some pointers, the ADF in this case is not fixed it is a movable card adf, fix card means you cannot more the card at all, i think you thought this was fixed because it is not slaved to the compas like the RMI is another thing you proccedure turns are a bit off, you werent using rate one turns nor 25 degrees to turn, which ever comes first, because you know it varies with speed.

[jmr604]

Yeah, I know the difference, not sure why I typed fixed card.. and you can criticize the autopilot for flying not me... I let the autopilot do the work while I worked the camera. In Canada you use standard rate turns or up to 30 degrees max. Atleast when I did my IFR ride, I was allowed to go up to 30 degrees. That was 9 years ago. I let it expire a few years later and never bothered to renew it since, but I will be this winter so I guess I will scrape my rust off at that point.

[yinetglez2003]

well im doing IFR in toronto right now too bud and and for procedure turn it changed from 9 years ago ahaha, its now either rate one or 25 degrees what ever applies

cheers

[jmr604]

I can't see that happening because I would have read it somewhere. And the new AIM wasn't published until 2005. I just read the instrument rating flight test guide and it said nothing about turn rates or bank angle in turns. Just altitude, heading and speed. The only time it talks about bank angle is during the circling approach to land.. it says. "Bank angle should not exceed 30 degrees". And during my flight test, nobody ever said anything about bank angle.

[jmr604]

If there was a limit to bank angle I'm sure they would have stated it in the flight test guide... this is a current version I just read... I printed it two weeks ago from tc website. It's probably just personal preference. It's only 5 degrees for crying out loud. I've been flying for 12 years now and I've never heard anyone arguing about this one.

[karm53]

thank you for posting this video jmr604.

it really helps you.

[penguins2go]

thank you

[penguins2go]

is a ndb like ils?

[jmr604]

NDB is just a radio beacon that your airplanes ADF needle points too.. and pilots can use that for navigation... ILS is also a radio navigation aid, but an ILS guides airplanes to the end of a runway and thats all... NDBs have nothing to do with runways... but NDB's can be used to help pilots find runways if they know where the runway is in relation to the NDB. (With use of maps or approach charts.)

[penguins2go]

What is ndb?

[jmr604]

Non-directional beacon.

[penguins2go]

if it is windy,do a ils approach- it is very easy when you get the hang of it!

[jmr604]

I know how to do an ils since I was in grade 9.. lol... can't do an ILS in Kenora though.. just the NDB or GPS.

[jmr604]

also VOR/DME from a VOR thats 22 miles away.

[distrabelli]

Excelent! Very nice video!!!

[marko071988]

very nice video! I'm guessing wind makes it a lot harder, as you can't even prepare the calculations to correct heading, you must do it as the wind changes direction and speed. What are the minimums for an ndb approach?

[jmr604]

It is difficult to do an Fixed Card NDB approach in windy conditions.. if you had someone turning the fixed card for you to match your heading all the time it wouldn't be so hard. Most airplanes have an ADF so that the heading card moves automatically. (RMI) Then NDB approaches are easy. Most NDB minimums are 300 to 600ft.. depending on terrian and obstacles.

[marko071988]

Ok, and there's like an equation for the wind correction no? Anyway, I find them really fun to perform in bad visibility conditions, but very inprecise, I mean I have a hard time getting them just right! Thank for answering, and cool vid!!

[jmr604]

I think you are referring too the double track error method. When you make a course correction that is double of how many degrees you are off course.. then turn back on course using only half of your correction. So, if you are 5 degrees off course.. you turn 10 degrees to get back on course.. then when you are on course.. turn back half of that 10 degrees to stay on course.

[marko071988]

Okay, that helps a lot, thank you so much! I don't know all the technical terms for an ndb approach, so I probably wasn't very clear, my bad. Thanks for al your precious answers!

[lawsontr]

It appears most turns were in excess of standard rate but within 30 degrees. Nice example of good approach otherwise. I work at Oklahoma City designing these approaches...

[jmr604]

Blame the autopilot not me. lol I used the autopilot from after takeoff to minimums because I needed to work the camera.

[jose2418]

excelent video and landing! i'm a student pilot and this helped me a lot!...(in venezuela we still use ndb's)

[koosvanderbij]

oke thx mate

[koosvanderbij]

i dont bougt the game i have download it i dont understand "read instructions" where i most read the instructions ?

[jmr604]

Did you get it legally? If you bought it from a store it would come with instructions and directions to more detailed instructions.. everything you need is in the game.. (instructions)

[koosvanderbij]

how you do 3D cockpit

[jmr604]

lol.. read your instructions.. then you'll know. :P

Press S or A whatever does it. They both change views.

[nszelewski]

Excellent tutorial. Only thing I noticed was your use of flaps above the white arc, don't want to bend your flaps!

[jmr604]

Your allowed to extend 10 degrees flap above white arc on most Cessna's. The speed limit is printed right next to the flap switch. I often use 10 degrees as a sort of speed brake.

[jmr604]

In the Cessna 206 I fly, I'm allowed to extend 10 degrees flap at 160KIAS and 20degrees flap at 110KIAS. But, I usually don't touch flap until 120KIAS.. just to be gentle on them.

[vjdsjgc]

how do ya get that good of FPS???? do u have to do somethin with the settings??

[jmr604]

Turn the quality of the scenery down, and try different resolutions and video settings using the simulator's scenery menu.. also the faster your computer the faster the frame rate.. you need a better than average computer to have it run smooth.

[JotageHagemann]

how did u get the camera to the middle of the airplane so you could see both pilot and copilot gauges?

[jmr604]

CTRL+Enter and CTRL+Shift+Enter..

They are just default eye point movements built in to FS2004 and FSX. You can move your eyepoint left right up down back and forth with CTRL+SHIFT/ENTER/BACKSPACE keys.

[mpereznoble]

what do you fly now?

[jmr604]

I still fly singles.. mainly Cessna 206 and Cherokee Six.. but come spring I'll be flying a twin and renewing my IFR. I didn't need it so I just let it expire.

[mpereznoble]

Hey, very methodic! I´m preparing IFR exam for the 23 of this month! Nice vid´s!

[jmr604]

When I got my IFR in flight school.. everything was VOR's DME and NDB's.. I never used a GPS for navigation (with the exception of a few flights) until I started flying commercially... nows its GPS direct every flight. =)

[ferberna]

now everyone start to fly with airliner, glass cockpit and FMC... those who went through the basics of IFR will get out trouble if.....

thanks for the good video

[slimjim10101]

very nice tutorial.

[captainlufthansa]

you like tunning the radios yourself,dont you!

[jmr604]

Well whos going to do it for me?.. I don't have a copilot to give orders. lol.

[captainlufthansa]

well,cant you open the air traffic control box by pressing `?

[jmr604]

I do.. but that doesn't tune in the ADF for me.

[75sevenA330]

Aw nice, glad to see more and more people doing PTs and stuff. That was a great Teardrop Alignment turn as well as the PT itself. Got to get some of my non-procesions posted.