this demo originally came at the start of Heroes Two the Warners video release, not Challenge of the Masters, Celestial put it on several of their DVD releases.
to all the armchair sifus criticizing this...dont forget Chen Kuan Tai was a student of taai sing pek kwa moon and a 1969 champion at the 1st south east asian open championship. .. he was never a hung stylist but learned this from lau kar leung cut the guy some slack...or go tell him he is crap to his face
If Tang Fong learned under Lam Sai Wing (his first teacher) how is HIS version a "variant" You don't know your history. That being said, many masters have their own version so it dosen't matter this or that. All Hung Kuen practitioners should work on using their Gung Fu skills and stop kickboxing calling it Hung style. Forms are a means to an end NOT the end. Just a training tool.
@Bedstysifu Forgive me but you are wrong.Tang Fong first sifu was Wong Fei Hung.Tang Fong studied with Lam Sai Wing much later.Tang Fong learned Lam Sai Wing's versions of the forms for consistancy,because he was teaching for the man.However as I said I don't practice Hung ga.A better person to ask about the history would be Frank Yee.
@harkying99 I have known Frank Yee for over 35 years personally. I have sat with him long before most of his current student representitives (when he was teaching at colleges). His students use to compete with my students at tournaments. He is my comtempory.
Ho lap Tien (seinor Tang Fong lineage) himself in print has stated that Lam Sai Wing is the first teacher of Tang Fong later Tang Fong got to learn from Wong Fei Hung. I have been practicing Hung Gar since 1960 I know its history.
@harkying99 Thank you for your understanding. Just to be clear, my refrences are from Tang Fong disciples not my own asumptions' Ho Lap tien states" Lam Sai Wing was one of the brightest disciples of Wong Fei Hung. It was from Lam that Tang Fon first started learning Hung pugilism. Then to pursue his interests, he followed under Master Wong Fei Hung for futher study of the intricacy of the Hung's and the osteopathy. He learned learned everything from master Wong and founded Yi Young Tang ."
@harkyin99 Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my original post, but you'll notice that I said I wasn't sure if a specific thing was a variant or version from Sifu Yee's style. At no point did I make a value judgment stating one system was "wrong" or "orthodox." That being said, since I studied under Sifu Yee, I'm more partial to his style (鄧芳). My original was to ask people familiar with LSW's style if what I stated was accurate. Please reply if you do know (I'm really not familiar with LSW)
@LordDamarMar Yeah, those added sounds are annoying. However, when I was practicing Hung Ga when I was young, both punches and kicks actually made a sound (from the fabric of the clothes).
The person's style seems to be DANG Fong (DENG Fang 鄧芳) as opposed to LAM Saiwing (林世榮). However, I don't know if this is a Sifu Frank Yee variant, but in his style of Gong Ji Fuk Fu Kuen (DANG Fong), when at "attention" your feet are together as opposed to the "open" one (feet shoulders' length apart) of LSW
@ricquito I'm not a Hung Ga stylist but I can tell you Yee sifus version isn't a variant.The Lam Sai Wing version is.The Lam Sai wing Hung Ga being more famous in Hong Kong led to his style being considered the orthodox one.By now however there are so many variations that none could be considered "wrong".
If Tang Fong learned under Lam Sai Wing (his first teacher) how is HIS version a "variant" You don't know your history. That being said, many masters have their own version so it dosen't matter this or that. All Hung Kuen practitioners should work on using their Gung Fu skills and stop kickboxing calling it Hung style. Forms are a means to an end NOT the end. Just a training tool.
@ricquito Sifu Yee teaches this as 2 forms not one long one. Its not his nor really Tang Fong's. But they are not the only ones practicing Hung Kuen. Its a popular style and often used in movies.
@Bedstysifu Yes, I remember it being taught as Gong Jee and Fook Fu; I never said it was taught as one long form nor did I ever say they were the only ones practicing it. I do remember we were taught our lineage via Tang Fong and the split with Lam Sai Wing was shown on the tree. I'd be interested in reading up on where you found out that Tang Fong first learned from Lam Sai Wing. Can you provide a source like a book? Thanks.
@ricquito Replied already. Source- Hung Ga Pugilism for self Defence- Ho Lap Tien. Theres your book. But I was told this 40 years ago already it was common knowledge. it seems that the lineage gets a little mixed up these days. but dinosaurs like myself remember things closer to the original times. Plum Pub has the book and you can google "self defence hung gar pugilism" to see more about master Ho.
@LordDamarMar Actually, hung gar forms do incorporate breathing techniques. Each animal performed has a distinct breathing sound. All Shaw Brothers films from this period were dubbed so those sounds were put in, but any traditional hung gar stylist does perform it similarly with breathing sounds. The sounds aren't for "effects" they stimulate specific organs in the body.
weak? funny how chinese kung fu isn't a ring sport martial arts, in my opinion martial arts with ring restrictions is weaker, weaker or lets say respectfully, different purpose.
fighting for points and fighting in a real fight are a lot different. i don't like how most school only teach how to fight for points instead of how to actually defend yourself in real situations.
@HomasterX Most Chinese martial arts (Tai Chi, Hung Kuen, Drunken Boxing, Wing Chun, etc.) are not welcomed into the ring or to the Olympics because Chinese martial arts has no belt system. Therefore it is hard for Chinese martial arts practitioners to be challenged by their Korean, Thai, etc. equals.
@crane76 I believe the reason for people making certain statements regarding his performance is because Chen Kuan Tai is a student of Master Chan Sau Chung (Monkey King of Hong Kong) and not a true Hung Kyun boxer.
True, but better than the average... people have a habit of comparing to how their masters and grandmasters do it while they themselves are sloppy, there's no way anyone can compare to someone like Lam Chun Fai...I'd say he's comparable to someone who's been doing it for about 5-7 years
Not surprising. Different branches of Hung Gar perform each form with slight variations. Even I do the form slightly differently compared to my Si Heng.
Most likely fighting experience, training conditions and bad memory.
Figting experience leads to new techniques or changes in old ones. That tends to be introduced in the forms.
Training conditions, where, when and how they trained. By the time Hung Gar was born, Kung Fu masters weren't very popular with the local regime (probably because most of them were against it). That leads to hiding and that again leads to changes.
Finally bad memory, that tends to change the forms and techniques.
@crane76 Yep. I'm currently studying the Sil Lum Hung Gar style and it's a bit shorter than the one shown here, but all the base moves and transitions are there. Thx for posting!
more crucially; the majority of Hung Gar attacks are not aimed at the head or the legs, but just below the sternum. The style is specifically designed to knock the wind out of people, from what can be observed here.
Hiya, I studied Hung Gar for about seven years. Based on my individual experience, you're right that the solar plexus (that spot just below the sternum that's vulnerable) is definitely a prime target in this form. On the other hand, gung gee has several strikes that are clearly face, side of head, neck, ribs, and so on. : ]
Lots of palm strikes, lots of elbows, kicking emphasis is primarily on short efficient snap kicks but nothing flashy, lots of evasive foot work, and power blows done from close range. Wow; I see why its effective.
No, this was originally shown before the beginning of "Heroes Two" (aka "Fang Shih-yu and Hung Hsi-kuan") in the theaters . For some reason, it wasn't included in the VCD release.
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popsjnr 3 months ago
Which movie is that from?
Brucelee145 4 months ago
@Brucelee145 Challenge of the Masters
crane76 4 months ago
Gung Gar Y
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to all the armchair sifus criticizing this...dont forget Chen Kuan Tai was a student of taai sing pek kwa moon and a 1969 champion at the 1st south east asian open championship. .. he was never a hung stylist but learned this from lau kar leung cut the guy some slack...or go tell him he is crap to his face
popsjnr 6 months ago
a Michael Jackson style
bogusiek 8 months ago
His stance seems a little high for Hung...!?
filthyfun 10 months ago
good luck with that
MrMickyfingaz 11 months ago
a wushu version
MrMickyfingaz 11 months ago
hate it when they go to a sky view , makes it harder to understand.
Namriu94 1 year ago
horrible technique, his stances are wobbly as hell.
argomax1 1 year ago
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3 seconds ago @harkying99
If Tang Fong learned under Lam Sai Wing (his first teacher) how is HIS version a "variant" You don't know your history. That being said, many masters have their own version so it dosen't matter this or that. All Hung Kuen practitioners should work on using their Gung Fu skills and stop kickboxing calling it Hung style. Forms are a means to an end NOT the end. Just a training tool.
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
@Bedstysifu Forgive me but you are wrong.Tang Fong first sifu was Wong Fei Hung.Tang Fong studied with Lam Sai Wing much later.Tang Fong learned Lam Sai Wing's versions of the forms for consistancy,because he was teaching for the man.However as I said I don't practice Hung ga.A better person to ask about the history would be Frank Yee.
harkying99 1 year ago
@harkying99 I have known Frank Yee for over 35 years personally. I have sat with him long before most of his current student representitives (when he was teaching at colleges). His students use to compete with my students at tournaments. He is my comtempory.
Ho lap Tien (seinor Tang Fong lineage) himself in print has stated that Lam Sai Wing is the first teacher of Tang Fong later Tang Fong got to learn from Wong Fei Hung. I have been practicing Hung Gar since 1960 I know its history.
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
@Bedstysifu I stand corrected.My appologies.
harkying99 1 year ago
@harkying99 Thank you for your understanding. Just to be clear, my refrences are from Tang Fong disciples not my own asumptions' Ho Lap tien states" Lam Sai Wing was one of the brightest disciples of Wong Fei Hung. It was from Lam that Tang Fon first started learning Hung pugilism. Then to pursue his interests, he followed under Master Wong Fei Hung for futher study of the intricacy of the Hung's and the osteopathy. He learned learned everything from master Wong and founded Yi Young Tang ."
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
This is to make the history clear NOT to claim anything is better. That is NOT the case at all. All Hungs Schools are one family in my book.
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
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Bedstysifu 1 year ago
@harkyin99 Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my original post, but you'll notice that I said I wasn't sure if a specific thing was a variant or version from Sifu Yee's style. At no point did I make a value judgment stating one system was "wrong" or "orthodox." That being said, since I studied under Sifu Yee, I'm more partial to his style (鄧芳). My original was to ask people familiar with LSW's style if what I stated was accurate. Please reply if you do know (I'm really not familiar with LSW)
ricquito 1 year ago
@LordDamarMar Yeah, those added sounds are annoying. However, when I was practicing Hung Ga when I was young, both punches and kicks actually made a sound (from the fabric of the clothes).
The person's style seems to be DANG Fong (DENG Fang 鄧芳) as opposed to LAM Saiwing (林世榮). However, I don't know if this is a Sifu Frank Yee variant, but in his style of Gong Ji Fuk Fu Kuen (DANG Fong), when at "attention" your feet are together as opposed to the "open" one (feet shoulders' length apart) of LSW
ricquito 1 year ago
@ricquito I'm not a Hung Ga stylist but I can tell you Yee sifus version isn't a variant.The Lam Sai Wing version is.The Lam Sai wing Hung Ga being more famous in Hong Kong led to his style being considered the orthodox one.By now however there are so many variations that none could be considered "wrong".
harkying99 1 year ago
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3 seconds ago @harkying99
If Tang Fong learned under Lam Sai Wing (his first teacher) how is HIS version a "variant" You don't know your history. That being said, many masters have their own version so it dosen't matter this or that. All Hung Kuen practitioners should work on using their Gung Fu skills and stop kickboxing calling it Hung style. Forms are a means to an end NOT the end. Just a training tool.
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
@ricquito Sifu Yee teaches this as 2 forms not one long one. Its not his nor really Tang Fong's. But they are not the only ones practicing Hung Kuen. Its a popular style and often used in movies.
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
@Bedstysifu Yes, I remember it being taught as Gong Jee and Fook Fu; I never said it was taught as one long form nor did I ever say they were the only ones practicing it. I do remember we were taught our lineage via Tang Fong and the split with Lam Sai Wing was shown on the tree. I'd be interested in reading up on where you found out that Tang Fong first learned from Lam Sai Wing. Can you provide a source like a book? Thanks.
ricquito 1 year ago
@ricquito Replied already. Source- Hung Ga Pugilism for self Defence- Ho Lap Tien. Theres your book. But I was told this 40 years ago already it was common knowledge. it seems that the lineage gets a little mixed up these days. but dinosaurs like myself remember things closer to the original times. Plum Pub has the book and you can google "self defence hung gar pugilism" to see more about master Ho.
Bedstysifu 1 year ago
@Bedstysifu Thank you! Especially providing a place that has the book as well. Thanks again for sharing this information.
ricquito 1 year ago 2
wish i talked and read chinese
MrComano 1 year ago
好
ugeneizdope 1 year ago
its just annoying that wind sound that they add to the movements..
LordDamarMar 1 year ago
@LordDamarMar haha that's to make the strikes sound more powerful than they really are..
crane76 1 year ago
@LordDamarMar Actually, hung gar forms do incorporate breathing techniques. Each animal performed has a distinct breathing sound. All Shaw Brothers films from this period were dubbed so those sounds were put in, but any traditional hung gar stylist does perform it similarly with breathing sounds. The sounds aren't for "effects" they stimulate specific organs in the body.
palacio154 1 year ago
its all similar if u learn the good hung gar
sikazn09 1 year ago
Tiger / Crane / Snake mixed is Deadly the destructive power it does and the explosive speed and kicking power is unmaxable plus iam 195lbs
ijt started learning it about a month ago ive always taught myself but iam takeing it now
EncasementOfTime 1 year ago
weak? funny how chinese kung fu isn't a ring sport martial arts, in my opinion martial arts with ring restrictions is weaker, weaker or lets say respectfully, different purpose.
HomasterX 2 years ago 2
fighting for points and fighting in a real fight are a lot different. i don't like how most school only teach how to fight for points instead of how to actually defend yourself in real situations.
xihakuix 2 years ago
@HomasterX Most Chinese martial arts (Tai Chi, Hung Kuen, Drunken Boxing, Wing Chun, etc.) are not welcomed into the ring or to the Olympics because Chinese martial arts has no belt system. Therefore it is hard for Chinese martial arts practitioners to be challenged by their Korean, Thai, etc. equals.
ChessWCM888 1 year ago
U mean to say u can do it better than him??
crane76 2 years ago
@crane76 I believe the reason for people making certain statements regarding his performance is because Chen Kuan Tai is a student of Master Chan Sau Chung (Monkey King of Hong Kong) and not a true Hung Kyun boxer.
Just my two cents.
Chaataza 2 years ago
weak. sloppy. kinda disgusted me a little.
elcapitan369 2 years ago
True, but better than the average... people have a habit of comparing to how their masters and grandmasters do it while they themselves are sloppy, there's no way anyone can compare to someone like Lam Chun Fai...I'd say he's comparable to someone who's been doing it for about 5-7 years
passingcloud01 1 year ago
hmm, this is interesting, there are slight differences in what he does from what we do in our branch at points.
stampedeokoalas 2 years ago
Not surprising. Different branches of Hung Gar perform each form with slight variations. Even I do the form slightly differently compared to my Si Heng.
crane76 2 years ago
awesome, it would be interesting to know what guided each master to adapting whichever variation he took to keep in his branch.
bless.
stampedeokoalas 2 years ago
Most likely fighting experience, training conditions and bad memory.
Figting experience leads to new techniques or changes in old ones. That tends to be introduced in the forms.
Training conditions, where, when and how they trained. By the time Hung Gar was born, Kung Fu masters weren't very popular with the local regime (probably because most of them were against it). That leads to hiding and that again leads to changes.
Finally bad memory, that tends to change the forms and techniques.
jigokunoshinigami 2 years ago 5
@crane76 Yep. I'm currently studying the Sil Lum Hung Gar style and it's a bit shorter than the one shown here, but all the base moves and transitions are there. Thx for posting!
sendai78 1 year ago
All gungfu will change with time or one could say adapt, to the practitioner. Train hard!
glimmeroftruth 2 years ago
Awesome!
SuperTutorialKing 2 years ago
more crucially; the majority of Hung Gar attacks are not aimed at the head or the legs, but just below the sternum. The style is specifically designed to knock the wind out of people, from what can be observed here.
stardingo747 2 years ago
Hiya, I studied Hung Gar for about seven years. Based on my individual experience, you're right that the solar plexus (that spot just below the sternum that's vulnerable) is definitely a prime target in this form. On the other hand, gung gee has several strikes that are clearly face, side of head, neck, ribs, and so on. : ]
tehcks 2 years ago 6
Lots of palm strikes, lots of elbows, kicking emphasis is primarily on short efficient snap kicks but nothing flashy, lots of evasive foot work, and power blows done from close range. Wow; I see why its effective.
stardingo747 2 years ago 2
No, this was originally shown before the beginning of "Heroes Two" (aka "Fang Shih-yu and Hung Hsi-kuan") in the theaters . For some reason, it wasn't included in the VCD release.
arlanw3 2 years ago
what movie is this?
anthonysmith73 2 years ago
"Boxer Rebellion"
crane76 2 years ago
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arlanw3 2 years ago
@crane76
I'll be curious which styles of kung fu were used in the Boxer Rebellion.
I heard Hung Gar, Southern Mantis... Other styles I am not sure.
1NX9 11 months ago
@1NX9 Mainly Hung Gar..
crane76 11 months ago
that's good !!!
comanche80 2 years ago
one awsome video. tks for sharing
jietming 3 years ago
Thks for your appreciation!
crane76 2 years ago