Hung Gar Gung Ji Subduing Tiger Fist (工字伏虎拳) Form

[Brucelee145]

Which movie is that from?

[crane76]

@Brucelee145 Challenge of the Masters

[eydos]

Gung Gar Y

[bogusiek]

a Michael Jackson style

[filthyfun]

His stance seems a little high for Hung...!?

[MrMickyfingaz]

good luck with that

[MrMickyfingaz]

a wushu version

[Namriu94]

hate it when they go to a sky view , makes it harder to understand.

[argomax1]

horrible technique, his stances are wobbly as hell.

[harkying99]

@Bedstysifu Forgive me but you are wrong.Tang Fong first sifu was Wong Fei Hung.Tang Fong studied with Lam Sai Wing much later.Tang Fong learned Lam Sai Wing's versions of the forms for consistancy,because he was teaching for the man.However as I said I don't practice Hung ga.A better person to ask about the history would be Frank Yee.

[Bedstysifu]

@harkying99 I have known Frank Yee for over 35 years personally. I have sat with him long before most of his current student representitives (when he was teaching at colleges). His students use to compete with my students at tournaments. He is my comtempory.

Ho lap Tien (seinor Tang Fong lineage) himself in print has stated that Lam Sai Wing is the first teacher of Tang Fong later Tang Fong got to learn from Wong Fei Hung. I have been practicing Hung Gar since 1960 I know its history.

[harkying99]

@Bedstysifu I stand corrected.My appologies.

[Bedstysifu]

@harkying99 Thank you for your understanding. Just to be clear, my refrences are from Tang Fong disciples not my own asumptions' Ho Lap tien states" Lam Sai Wing was one of the brightest disciples of Wong Fei Hung. It was from Lam that Tang Fon first started learning Hung pugilism. Then to pursue his interests, he followed under Master Wong Fei Hung for futher study of the intricacy of the Hung's and the osteopathy. He learned learned everything from master Wong and founded Yi Young Tang ."

[Bedstysifu]

This is to make the history clear NOT to claim anything is better. That is NOT the case at all. All Hungs Schools are one family in my book. 

[ricquito]

@harkyin99 Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my original post, but you'll notice that I said I wasn't sure if a specific thing was a variant or version from Sifu Yee's style. At no point did I make a value judgment stating one system was "wrong" or "orthodox." That being said, since I studied under Sifu Yee, I'm more partial to his style (鄧芳). My original was to ask people familiar with LSW's style if what I stated was accurate. Please reply if you do know (I'm really not familiar with LSW)

[ricquito]

@LordDamarMar Yeah, those added sounds are annoying. However, when I was practicing Hung Ga when I was young, both punches and kicks actually made a sound (from the fabric of the clothes).

The person's style seems to be DANG Fong (DENG Fang 鄧芳) as opposed to LAM Saiwing (林世榮). However, I don't know if this is a Sifu Frank Yee variant, but in his style of Gong Ji Fuk Fu Kuen (DANG Fong), when at "attention" your feet are together as opposed to the "open" one (feet shoulders' length apart) of LSW

[harkying99]

@ricquito I'm not a Hung Ga stylist but I can tell you Yee sifus version isn't a variant.The Lam Sai Wing version is.The Lam Sai wing Hung Ga being more famous in Hong Kong led to his style being considered the orthodox one.By now however there are so many variations that none could be considered "wrong".

[Bedstysifu]

@ricquito Sifu Yee teaches this as 2 forms not one long one. Its not his nor really Tang Fong's. But they are not the only ones practicing Hung Kuen. Its a popular style and often used in movies.

[ricquito]

@Bedstysifu Yes, I remember it being taught as Gong Jee and Fook Fu; I never said it was taught as one long form nor did I ever say they were the only ones practicing it. I do remember we were taught our lineage via Tang Fong and the split with Lam Sai Wing was shown on the tree. I'd be interested in reading up on where you found out that Tang Fong first learned from Lam Sai Wing. Can you provide a source like a book? Thanks.

[Bedstysifu]

@ricquito Replied already. Source- Hung Ga Pugilism for self Defence- Ho Lap Tien. Theres your book. But I was told this 40 years ago already it was common knowledge. it seems that the lineage gets a little mixed up these days. but dinosaurs like myself remember things closer to the original times. Plum Pub has the book and you can google "self defence hung gar pugilism" to see more about master Ho.

[ricquito]

@Bedstysifu Thank you! Especially providing a place that has the book as well. Thanks again for sharing this information.

[MrComano]

wish i talked and read chinese

[ugeneizdope]

好

[LordDamarMar]

its just annoying that wind sound that they add to the movements..

[crane76]

@LordDamarMar haha that's to make the strikes sound more powerful than they really are..

[palacio154]

@LordDamarMar Actually, hung gar forms do incorporate breathing techniques. Each animal performed has a distinct breathing sound. All Shaw Brothers films from this period were dubbed so those sounds were put in, but any traditional hung gar stylist does perform it similarly with breathing sounds. The sounds aren't for "effects" they stimulate specific organs in the body.

[sikazn09]

its all similar if u learn the good hung gar

[EncasementOfTime]

Tiger / Crane / Snake mixed is Deadly the destructive power it does and the explosive speed and kicking power is unmaxable plus iam 195lbs

ijt started learning it about a month ago ive always taught myself but iam takeing it now

[HomasterX]

weak? funny how chinese kung fu isn't a ring sport martial arts, in my opinion martial arts with ring restrictions is weaker, weaker or lets say respectfully, different purpose.

[xihakuix]

fighting for points and fighting in a real fight are a lot different. i don't like how most school only teach how to fight for points instead of how to actually defend yourself in real situations.

[ChessWCM888]

@HomasterX Most Chinese martial arts (Tai Chi, Hung Kuen, Drunken Boxing, Wing Chun, etc.) are not welcomed into the ring or to the Olympics because Chinese martial arts has no belt system. Therefore it is hard for Chinese martial arts practitioners to be challenged by their Korean, Thai, etc. equals.

[crane76]

U mean to say u can do it better than him??

[Chaataza]

@crane76 I believe the reason for people making certain statements regarding his performance is because Chen Kuan Tai is a student of Master Chan Sau Chung (Monkey King of Hong Kong) and not a true Hung Kyun boxer.

Just my two cents.

[elcapitan369]

weak. sloppy. kinda disgusted me a little.

[passingcloud01]

True, but better than the average... people have a habit of comparing to how their masters and grandmasters do it while they themselves are sloppy, there's no way anyone can compare to someone like Lam Chun Fai...I'd say he's comparable to someone who's been doing it for about 5-7 years

[stampedeokoalas]

hmm, this is interesting, there are slight differences in what he does from what we do in our branch at points.

[crane76]

Not surprising. Different branches of Hung Gar perform each form with slight variations. Even I do the form slightly differently compared to my Si Heng.

[stampedeokoalas]

awesome, it would be interesting to know what guided each master to adapting whichever variation he took to keep in his branch.

bless.

[jigokunoshinigami]

Most likely fighting experience, training conditions and bad memory.

Figting experience leads to new techniques or changes in old ones. That tends to be introduced in the forms.

Training conditions, where, when and how they trained. By the time Hung Gar was born, Kung Fu masters weren't very popular with the local regime (probably because most of them were against it). That leads to hiding and that again leads to changes.

Finally bad memory, that tends to change the forms and techniques.

[sendai78]

@crane76 Yep. I'm currently studying the Sil Lum Hung Gar style and it's a bit shorter than the one shown here, but all the base moves and transitions are there. Thx for posting!

[glimmeroftruth]

All gungfu will change with time or one could say adapt, to the practitioner. Train hard!

[SuperTutorialKing]

Awesome!

[stardingo747]

more crucially; the majority of Hung Gar attacks are not aimed at the head or the legs, but just below the sternum.  The style is specifically designed to knock the wind out of people, from what can be observed here.

[tehcks]

Hiya, I studied Hung Gar for about seven years. Based on my individual experience, you're right that the solar plexus (that spot just below the sternum that's vulnerable) is definitely a prime target in this form. On the other hand, gung gee has several strikes that are clearly face, side of head, neck, ribs, and so on. : ]

[stardingo747]

Lots of palm strikes, lots of elbows, kicking emphasis is primarily on short efficient snap kicks but nothing flashy, lots of evasive foot work, and power blows done from close range. Wow; I see why its effective.

[arlanw3]

No, this was originally shown before the beginning of "Heroes Two" (aka "Fang Shih-yu and Hung Hsi-kuan") in the theaters .  For some reason, it wasn't included in the VCD release.

[anthonysmith73]

what movie is this?

[crane76]

"Boxer Rebellion"

[1NX9]

@crane76

I'll be curious which styles of kung fu were used in the Boxer Rebellion.

I heard Hung Gar, Southern Mantis... Other styles I am not sure.

[crane76]

@1NX9 Mainly Hung Gar..

[comanche80]

that's good !!!

[jietming]

one awsome video. tks for sharing

[crane76]

Thks for your appreciation!