I take odds with the father on the MLK assertion is solely Christian. MLK was also influenced by Ghandi. Ghandi was known for his nonviolence stand and it is easy to link MLK's nonviolent disposition to Ghandi than the Christian bible. History shows Ghandi wasn't violent and Christianity has spilled blood. So, based on that. I cannot accept the father's position on MLK.
I was looking at porn while watching this and I laughed when he ripped into porn. I laughed so much it ruined my wood. Christians always ruin my wood.
"I believe it and I live my life this way, and I believe it because it's true, and the fact that I believe it does not make it true, ok, it's true that's why I believe it, that Man is fundamentally before all things a spiritual being."
"Even the values of atheism draw from the Christian moral tradition." I'm assuming he actually means secularism, not atheism, but the Christian moral tradition is by definition amoral, because they are dictates that on principle lack interactivity/mutability with the masses (I know that I'm arguing from a humanistic standpoint, and such an argument would be incomprehensible to someone who says, "I believe it because I believe it's true.")
This priest is delusional, very sad to watch, it's as if he's selling something that doesn't justify being sold, selling PIE IN THE SKY ideas, but with on substance...he's selling belief, nothing more.
Dostriavsky vs. Porn? Had it occured to this guy that there are people who do both? lol, and what does he think of such people? It is the classic garbage in argument, that you should allow yourself to be influenced(which they need for control anyway),vs liberating yourself and making independant decisions as they are presented to you. In closing...Go Porn!
The preacher is setting up the classic false dichotomy: it seems he has no faith in rational debate and so dives head-first into logical fallacies to defend his beliefs.
@proudfootz Too true. The first half of the debate he seemed on the defensive and not quite sure how to deal with Matt's points, so he seemingly agreed with them. Then something happened at the end to cause him to dive into arguments that are about a mile off the deep end. I feel sorry for the guy, but more people need to see this to realize these people are quacks.
Although I don't believe in his God, Jacobse is right about pornography. It ruins people, just like drugs and alcohol do. And not just the people involved in it. Pooh-pooh me if you wish, but it's true.
@gspendlove How does porn ruin you? I have friends who watch porn and masturbate. Do they experience pain and destroy their body like they would if they took drugs? No. Do they go out and try to grope/rape every woman they see? No. Do they lose brain cells when watching porn? No. So please, explain yourself
@Danthepest1 It took me a while to decide how I was going to respond, but here it is: I did not say (nor would I) that porn ruins everyone who comes in contact with it. If you and your friends don't feel you have a problem, then that's good. But pornography does have the potential to affect a person's attitudes -- especially a man's attitudes toward women and sex. Pornography really isn't conducive to a healthy sexual attitude. (more)
@Danthepest1 And while it will not necessarily cause you to become a sex offender, the attitude of "Well, I don't have a problem with it, so I don't see why anyone else should" really isn't looking at it the right way. I can guarantee that if you went into a prison and interviewed sexual offenders, and asked them the question: "How did it start for you? How did you end up committing your crime?"; almost invariably you would get the same answer, and I'm sure you know what that answer is. (more)
@Danthepest1 If you want the real inside scoop, I'd suggest you check out Shelley Lubben's website, with story after story of current and former porn stars whose lives were terribly affected by their involvement in the industry. Some of those stories will turn your mouth inside out with disgust.
Now, I'm no shrink, just a common-sense guy. And I am very well-read. I realize this response is a bit long-winded...if you have any other questions, feel free to respond.
@gspendlove See, more often than not, the answer isn't "I watched porn and that made me decide to rape/molest/sexually harass someone". The thing is, if people see porn as motivation for that, they're messed up to begin with and will use any excuse for their actions. Also, I couldn't care less for porn stars really. All they are a whores who pretend to be actors. More often than not, they choose the lifestyle and I'm one of those people who
@gspendlove who has an attitude of "your choice, your fuck up, your responsibility, not my problem" See, porn is no more harmful than normal TV shows or videos games are. Anyone who decides to kill someone after watching TV or playing a game or sport or whatever, had psychological problems from the start. And nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions, so they blame it on TV/games/porn, you name it, it got the blame. But not ONCE has anyone said "maybe he was unstable from the start?"
@gspendlove People need to take responsibility for their actions and not blame it on things that when someone actually stops and THINKS about, really had no effect on us what so ever
@Danthepest1 That's okay. You think how you want, I'll think how I want. You choose what you want to read, watch, listen to or buy. All your appetites can be indulged in America. That's the beauty of this country. But I must take issue with "All they are are whores." The women in the porn industry are mothers, daughters, sisters, wives and girlfriends. It's a terrible shame when they are not regarded by people as human beings. Your attitude illustrates what I said before....
@gspendlove 1) I don't indulge in porn, nor anything of that matter. 2) Anyone, be it man or woman, who sells their body like that is a whore in my eyes. As for addicts, I really have no sympathy for them either. With all this information about drugs available to us, there is absolutely NO excuse for you to take them. If you create your own problems, then don't force others to fix them for you. Porn hasn't changed or formed my attitude. My self respect did.
@Danthepest1 ....excessive consumption of pornography really can change a man's attitude toward sex and women. And it doesn't happen all at once; it creeps in on you, insidiously. Just ask any addict or former addict.
I can only hope that no one you know and love gets involved in that industry. I can only imagine the despair she would feel to hear you tell her, "All you are is a whore."
But, you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am mine. Have a nice day.
@gspendlove Unless you were somehow forced to take drugs or go into the porn industry, then I really have no sympathy for those types. Especially when they use the "I've been going through harsh times" excuse. I've been through very harsh times for 12 years and I contemplated suicide, drugs, alcohol, etc. but I used common sense and knew that none of it was gonna help, so I persevered and fought my way out of the shit that was my life at the time.
@gspendlove Also, I like how you assume I'm sexist. Shows just how preconceived your notions are. In short. You're forced into porn/drugs, I'll do all I can to help. You choose that life willingly or by your own stupidity, then you're on your own.
@gspendlove Sorry if I was all up in your face during this little conversation/argument. I understand where you're coming from. Its just that when people put the blame on everything but themselves, it gets on my nerves.
After this, I gotta check some porn in order to become more of an animal (which I already am as a human, by the way) than becoming an angel, which is nothing more than a delusional human mind created being.
I had to stop the clip at 10:39 when he spoke off mic to pick up some dust to blow from his hand. Greasy old style preaching. Did he explain this metaphor afterward? ... I'm guessing that he didn't...
There is no reason to attribute subjective experience to a magic sky person. It is obviously just what helps this guy sleep at night. Of course, he has to twist the idea of "truth" to make himself not feel like a lunatic, but if you asked him, he could not demonstrate any difference between what he "believes to be true" and a delusional daydream.
This priest is out of his fucking mind. I have 18 gigs of furry and human porn and this priest cannot do shit about it. Fuck this priest and his god. Yes priest, I am an animal and I fucked your 20yr old daughter like one!
Someone who watches porn and someone who reads a book that's about religion or science is environmental. The environment shapes who you are. In other words it's an outside influence that CAN be accounted for and analyzed to see the effects. Far more rational the thinking there is an outside force that can't be seen and has the same characteristics of nothing. But being rational tends to be religions weak suit in regards to itself.
Do atheists assert that man is no more than his molecules? By definition, they do not, as all they assert is that there is no evidence to believe in gods, but also most atheists, I think, would accept the existence of consciousness, which clearly is "more than just molecules", even if fundamentally derived from them.
Watching porn doesn't lead me to want to kill, lie, steal, etc. Also, why can't a person participate in activities that will make them a better person AND watch porn when one is horney?
Did porn have to be the example? You can read Dostoevksi vs Erma Bombeck (perfectly respectable lady) and be two different people. Why's it gotta be porn? By the way, love the blowjob pantomime at 10:28 where he picks it up off the floor (DAYUM!) first. "Man became" alright.
ummmmmm, why can we not spend 10 hours a week listening and reading though provoking material, AND spend 10 hours watching porn, will they negate each other?
We'll understand that christianity is 'self-correcting' when they admit that jesus was no god and likely never existed and begins to work to reverse it's 2000-year record of hideous moral mistakes.
Until then we can see that it is a 'self-perpetuating' system with a deep hostility to the truth.
I don't understand how slavery was "always immoral" and people just didn't realize it, lol. What is Matt talking about? Morality is not objective. If I don't value human life/freedom, then slavery is not a moral issue at all-- it's as simple as that. There is no "truth" here, good and bad are opinions based on what each individual values. Our values, however, are based in part on evoluntionary programming, so maybe that's what he's talking about.
GAHHH! The guy that coughs over Matt obscured alot of they key wording he's using and I don't understand his answers around 6:00-6:45! It's driving me insane!
Dude whack it out and then your sexual tension is gone and you can FOCUS and accomplish all manner of things. I was such an astute thinker and so very bright before i met "Horny". After a while i figured out that all you need to do is take care of that horny and then the mind is free to think again!! I Repudiate! Your claims that masturbation is meritless and harms the soul. You are yet again trying to hammer reality to fit the constraints of an ancient tribal text.
I see them all as delusional & dangerous. Not to mention most of them are in denial of their homosexuality to the point that they dedicated their lives to a magic sky daddy due to fear of being eternally tortured by that magic sky daddy's former employee.
@bodeezy God is beyond the common atheistic notion of a "sky daddy." That's probably why no atheist can comprehend God. They're all caught up with this idea that the God they dismiss is this "sky daddy" which obviously has its roots in Hebraism, Christianity, and Islam. I've never seen Matt Dillahunty retort those religions which have had their origins in India, most particularly, Hinduism itself and to a lesser extent, Buddhism.
@Hanahleia I have seen Matt break those religions down also, he just happens to be a former christian & that happens to be the most dominant religion in the U.S. A god is NOT beyond atheists' comprehension. . . how can you make such a ridiculous generalization? Most outspoken atheists are former believers. Some, like Matt, were very devout until researching religion. Show us proof of a god & we will examine it. If it is real we will accept it. Show us the evidence.
@bodeezy You missed my point. I've went through the back-log of uploads, and Hinduism is never addressed. What I'm saying is that the God of Hinduism is a very different notion than the God of Christianity, which is the God that most atheists reject. Do you know a single thing about Hinduism? I truly doubt it. Religion is a word that can become confusing, because people think when they hear that Hinduism is a religion, they think it's something like Christianity, when it's COMPLETELY different.
@Hanahleia do you have brain damage? you say atheists can't comprehend God, but you can? do you have access to special information that we don't? please share your wealth of information with us heathens so we can pretend too.
@bodeezy Yeah, I don't understand why the devil tortures people that sin... Doesn't the devil like that people sin? Shouldn't he praise the people who sin with whores and drugs, parties, porn and w/e christians think is evil? The devil is torturing the "bad guys", doesn't that hypothetically make him the good guy? He's punishing evil after all... lol
It's funny how he calls himself an Orthodox priest, yet he's all about reformation. Which, as Matt's correctly pointed out, has only been occuring because of the secular morality.
If this guy knew anything about art he'd know porn and naked people was some of the first material we drew/painted. I mean come on, even the ancient Egyptians had sexual art. I remember seeing a documentary on it, though the name escapes me.
I think this would've been a more fruitful debate if Jacobse were less reliant on going into a groan-worthy Sermon Mode when answering questions. Saying something louder or repeatedly, or relying on pretty language (angels!), does not augment insight. Actually, I wish there'd been an elaboration on the reasonableness of art (I'm wondering why religions or their texts can be said to be more valid than the truths I might perceive in, say, a poem or song).
I wish he would stop bringing up MLK. MLK and especially Coretta were, in many ways, working AGAINST prevailing Christian morality. Essentially, they used the Baptist churches in order to bolster grass-roots action and cooperation toward injustice. For fucks sake, the bible point-blank says that slaves should obey their masters - not to mention what it says about gays. The Kings actually considered going to a UU (mainly rationalist) church, but knew they couldn't start a revolution there.
The Father keeps trying to tie science to Christianity. Ancient Greece is the home of the beginnings of science. Rational thought began there, not in the slums of the church controlled world.
seems to me like the theist has some trouble actually making his point. he just stumbles around a bunch of rhetoric and reverse psychology (it has to be reverse psychology, he frequently says things like "i'm not SAYING atheists are evil, they certainly aren't!") i mean i cant find a single point made by him in the entirety of the time i forced myself to watch him. he's no more intelligent than anyone other theist on this argument so i wonder why he was chosen in the first place
Saying "the atheist" when referring to Matt helps him to avoid putting a face on atheists so that he can continue to make these sweeping claims about the inhumanity of atheism.
I think in the end Father Hans failed to demonstrate or substantiate the value of Christian tradition as anything other then selectively viewing the past.
Well he is right, I would be a different person if I watched porn 10 hrs a week vs. reading a novel. I would be a much happier and satisfied human if I watched the porn for 10 hours a week.
Hans is a pain in the arse to listen to. Debate format but it always sounds like he's preaching to you like spelling out b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t. and telling you that it spells cake, but it's bullshit and there's no way to turn it into cake. But if you don't spell it out for yourself you're going to be eating bullshit.
@aadoza very very well put. he is just being a polatic and not answering questions directly and getting off topic and preaching. he is trying to change definitions. religion or not you cannot change gravity, it will always be gravity and nothing else. my question would be, how can these things change over time, how can religion change overtime whats right or wrong. isnt the word of god suposed to be written in stone not constantly changing over the years. isnt that a sign right there.
Watching porn is human. And to my subjectivity, beautiful. BY the way, this coming from a virgin priest little bitch who believes in talking snakes and flying dead zombie jews.
It literally is like taking advice from a person who speaks with utter conviction of Zeus and his lightning arrows. It's exactly the same comparison. Except the Greeks' mythology is MORE credible. At least they KNEW what their god looks like. Christians do not.
I agree. I have to admit Im a bit dissapointed with Matt. This priest preaches nothing but subjectivity, and not really debating Matt.
When will atheists (such as Hitchens) finally grow some balls and just let rip. Recently debates between ' the bananaman' and Thunderfoot, have been sub-par. There is a miriad of 'ammunition' which atheists have against theists. It's called reason, and reality, let alone logic. I wish they'd use it more.
I love when a Christian (or anyone) says something like, "Well, everyone does X (in this case, X = 'watches porn')."
It's an accidental admission that they do X all the time (it's so common in their own life to the point that they just assume that it's part of everyone's life). So, in this case, we can safely assume that this priest spends 10+ hours a week watching porn.
I've read Dostoyevsky AND I've watched porn. You can actually do both, father. Nice attempt at instilling guilt into the audience, but that doesn't work unless one already believes that watching porn is immoral. You fail, ONCE AGAIN!
COMPUTERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY!!! If you glue a screen to a computer nothing will happen. Also porn is awesome, and I've always thought Chekhov was a much better writer than Dostoevsky.
I hate the appeal to authority argument. Yes Martin Luther King was a Christian and claimed that informed his views. So what? Mohandis Gandhi was a Hindu, did that mean that Hinduism has a mechanism to correct others?
@OnTheFritz602 The hilarious part was that his accusing everyone of watching porn is a tacit admission of his own porn habit. Is he saying everyone but him watches porn?
The father uses vocal techniques (badly, i might add) to try to draw the listener to his side subconsciously. his repeated use of the word "ok?" at the end of many sentences is designed to lead the listener to agree with him on the 'little' points he makes, and is used to establish a general, overall feeling of agreeableness to the speaker's voice. what he is saying is, on the whole, total gibberish. but his speech patterns, his mannerisms all attempt to convey to the listener a sense of truth.
The preacher man speaks alot of music and literature with the specification; "Good..." Who decides what is "good music"or "good literature"?
But I gotta give it to him - he could hold back the porn for more than an hour!
ExtrackterYT 3 days ago
This dude watches porn. This is his cry for help.
Kida001 2 months ago
The internet is for porn. The internet is for porn. Why you think the net was born? Porn, porn, porn!
TheMadJammer 4 months ago
Is this priest serious?
TheWhisperingPenis 4 months ago
I tried to watch the debate with a completely open mind.
The Priest did not make any sense what-so-ever
Uberlaser 4 months ago 3
your not an angel if you watch porn ;)
FIGHTFANNERD3 7 months ago
lol i knew he would bring up porn
FIGHTFANNERD3 7 months ago
I take odds with the father on the MLK assertion is solely Christian. MLK was also influenced by Ghandi. Ghandi was known for his nonviolence stand and it is easy to link MLK's nonviolent disposition to Ghandi than the Christian bible. History shows Ghandi wasn't violent and Christianity has spilled blood. So, based on that. I cannot accept the father's position on MLK.
whhardiek1972 7 months ago
Priest: "In the end you're going to become more like an animal and less like an angel." Wait a minute I thought the idea was to be more human. wtf
GoogleVideoMan 7 months ago 2
wtf was his answer ( guy wearin rob)..
chinamanspeakenlis 7 months ago
@Loyadd Sadly, most people seem to do that these days.
"You're going to jail. OK?"
Strangerinasland 8 months ago
PORN!
alienlifeform11 8 months ago 3
08:38 Good music? Haha fucked up there buddy...
ZZZ024 9 months ago
I was looking at porn while watching this and I laughed when he ripped into porn. I laughed so much it ruined my wood. Christians always ruin my wood.
elmando6522 9 months ago 8
I VOTE PORN! I can still think while I masterbate!! I am NOT a lesser person because of it!!!
KidPunkStar101 10 months ago
If atheism = pornography, then being a christian priest = pedophilia.
ourworld287 10 months ago 2
The longer this debate goes on the more batshit and preachy this dude gets...
stranger201 11 months ago
look at hagi
FutureScience2012 11 months ago
my Question: Father can you answer one question. . . Thank you.
lothor1234 1 year ago 20
You can totally tell he expected applause at 11:18.
IJUSTLOVETURTLES 1 year ago
that priest is just wasting time! he doesn't even answer all of the questions! Where's matt's "You're done talking"-button when you need it?
Chaaarge 1 year ago 2
Bet that priest watches porn all the time.
dycarbon1 1 year ago 2
Next debate, leave the preist home.
Paetaor 1 year ago
10:00 Full crazy mode: ENGAGED.
comface 1 year ago
8:50 But why can't I spend 5 hours a day reading literature and 5 hours a day watching porn?
BloodRedLegend 1 year ago 2
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13:33
You know the priest is desperate when he's trying to appeal to the Muslim in the crowd.
nemirn 1 year ago
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nemirn 1 year ago
This guy has some serious issues with porn.
nemirn 1 year ago 3
"I believe it and I live my life this way, and I believe it because it's true, and the fact that I believe it does not make it true, ok, it's true that's why I believe it, that Man is fundamentally before all things a spiritual being."
Circular reasoning much?
DocBlasto 1 year ago
OMG this priest is completely whacko... He's basically preaching, and the crowd does not appreciate it.
xNoReligionx 1 year ago
This priest is like a 70s hippy trying to pass off New Age bullshit as objective truth.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
I rather sit in me computer chair glue to me Porn XD
Xather15 1 year ago 2
I watched all 8 parts so far and it has devolved from logical debate into a sermon.
viperx77 1 year ago
"Even the values of atheism draw from the Christian moral tradition." I'm assuming he actually means secularism, not atheism, but the Christian moral tradition is by definition amoral, because they are dictates that on principle lack interactivity/mutability with the masses (I know that I'm arguing from a humanistic standpoint, and such an argument would be incomprehensible to someone who says, "I believe it because I believe it's true.")
CrazySatanicInfidel 1 year ago
11:13 "glue our screens to our computer".
I guess when you read fairy tales all your life, you really come up with all kinds of new concepts.....
noahalmighty77 1 year ago 2
What's his fixation on porn? Seems like a personal issue. No one even mentioned anything close to pornography.
ThePhatIndian 1 year ago 3
@ThePhatIndian indeed
FIGHTFANNERD3 7 months ago
The fag in the robe didnt answer a single question.
LBTennis 1 year ago 19
@LBTennis I find that word affensive
witch26071 1 year ago
@witch26071 K. Is this your first time using the internet? Good luck surviving the interweb if the word fag still offends you.
LBTennis 1 year ago
@LBTennis Um...I was being jocose! Duh.....
witch26071 1 year ago
@witch26071 Well stop it, its stupid.
LBTennis 1 year ago
"atheism draws from christian moral condition"---------whiskey tango foxtrot!?
Bockatadi 1 year ago 3
This priest is delusional, very sad to watch, it's as if he's selling something that doesn't justify being sold, selling PIE IN THE SKY ideas, but with on substance...he's selling belief, nothing more.
JOHNINCOLUMBUS 1 year ago
Dostriavsky vs. Porn? Had it occured to this guy that there are people who do both? lol, and what does he think of such people? It is the classic garbage in argument, that you should allow yourself to be influenced(which they need for control anyway),vs liberating yourself and making independant decisions as they are presented to you. In closing...Go Porn!
MasterBlueTiger 1 year ago
@MasterBlueTiger
The preacher is setting up the classic false dichotomy: it seems he has no faith in rational debate and so dives head-first into logical fallacies to defend his beliefs.
proudfootz 1 year ago
@proudfootz Too true. The first half of the debate he seemed on the defensive and not quite sure how to deal with Matt's points, so he seemingly agreed with them. Then something happened at the end to cause him to dive into arguments that are about a mile off the deep end. I feel sorry for the guy, but more people need to see this to realize these people are quacks.
MasterBlueTiger 1 year ago 2
"If you watch porno for more than 10 hours per week you will be a different person?
B:U:L:L:S:H:I:T
paimail21 1 year ago
This man is a cartoon character. I had an English teacher like this, but less crazy.
kreskinkun 1 year ago
Although I don't believe in his God, Jacobse is right about pornography. It ruins people, just like drugs and alcohol do. And not just the people involved in it. Pooh-pooh me if you wish, but it's true.
gspendlove 1 year ago
@gspendlove How does porn ruin you? I have friends who watch porn and masturbate. Do they experience pain and destroy their body like they would if they took drugs? No. Do they go out and try to grope/rape every woman they see? No. Do they lose brain cells when watching porn? No. So please, explain yourself
Danthepest1 1 year ago
@Danthepest1 It took me a while to decide how I was going to respond, but here it is: I did not say (nor would I) that porn ruins everyone who comes in contact with it. If you and your friends don't feel you have a problem, then that's good. But pornography does have the potential to affect a person's attitudes -- especially a man's attitudes toward women and sex. Pornography really isn't conducive to a healthy sexual attitude. (more)
gspendlove 1 year ago
@Danthepest1 And while it will not necessarily cause you to become a sex offender, the attitude of "Well, I don't have a problem with it, so I don't see why anyone else should" really isn't looking at it the right way. I can guarantee that if you went into a prison and interviewed sexual offenders, and asked them the question: "How did it start for you? How did you end up committing your crime?"; almost invariably you would get the same answer, and I'm sure you know what that answer is. (more)
gspendlove 1 year ago
@Danthepest1 If you want the real inside scoop, I'd suggest you check out Shelley Lubben's website, with story after story of current and former porn stars whose lives were terribly affected by their involvement in the industry. Some of those stories will turn your mouth inside out with disgust.
Now, I'm no shrink, just a common-sense guy. And I am very well-read. I realize this response is a bit long-winded...if you have any other questions, feel free to respond.
gspendlove 1 year ago
@gspendlove See, more often than not, the answer isn't "I watched porn and that made me decide to rape/molest/sexually harass someone". The thing is, if people see porn as motivation for that, they're messed up to begin with and will use any excuse for their actions. Also, I couldn't care less for porn stars really. All they are a whores who pretend to be actors. More often than not, they choose the lifestyle and I'm one of those people who
Danthepest1 1 year ago
@gspendlove who has an attitude of "your choice, your fuck up, your responsibility, not my problem" See, porn is no more harmful than normal TV shows or videos games are. Anyone who decides to kill someone after watching TV or playing a game or sport or whatever, had psychological problems from the start. And nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions, so they blame it on TV/games/porn, you name it, it got the blame. But not ONCE has anyone said "maybe he was unstable from the start?"
Danthepest1 1 year ago
@gspendlove People need to take responsibility for their actions and not blame it on things that when someone actually stops and THINKS about, really had no effect on us what so ever
Danthepest1 1 year ago
@Danthepest1 That's okay. You think how you want, I'll think how I want. You choose what you want to read, watch, listen to or buy. All your appetites can be indulged in America. That's the beauty of this country. But I must take issue with "All they are are whores." The women in the porn industry are mothers, daughters, sisters, wives and girlfriends. It's a terrible shame when they are not regarded by people as human beings. Your attitude illustrates what I said before....
gspendlove 1 year ago
@gspendlove 1) I don't indulge in porn, nor anything of that matter. 2) Anyone, be it man or woman, who sells their body like that is a whore in my eyes. As for addicts, I really have no sympathy for them either. With all this information about drugs available to us, there is absolutely NO excuse for you to take them. If you create your own problems, then don't force others to fix them for you. Porn hasn't changed or formed my attitude. My self respect did.
Danthepest1 1 year ago
@Danthepest1 ....excessive consumption of pornography really can change a man's attitude toward sex and women. And it doesn't happen all at once; it creeps in on you, insidiously. Just ask any addict or former addict.
I can only hope that no one you know and love gets involved in that industry. I can only imagine the despair she would feel to hear you tell her, "All you are is a whore."
But, you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am mine. Have a nice day.
gspendlove 1 year ago
@gspendlove Unless you were somehow forced to take drugs or go into the porn industry, then I really have no sympathy for those types. Especially when they use the "I've been going through harsh times" excuse. I've been through very harsh times for 12 years and I contemplated suicide, drugs, alcohol, etc. but I used common sense and knew that none of it was gonna help, so I persevered and fought my way out of the shit that was my life at the time.
Danthepest1 1 year ago
@gspendlove Also, I like how you assume I'm sexist. Shows just how preconceived your notions are. In short. You're forced into porn/drugs, I'll do all I can to help. You choose that life willingly or by your own stupidity, then you're on your own.
Danthepest1 1 year ago
@Danthepest1 All right, I stand corrected -- on all counts. And I admire you for pulling through harsh times, the same kind I had to myself.
gspendlove 1 year ago
@gspendlove Sorry if I was all up in your face during this little conversation/argument. I understand where you're coming from. Its just that when people put the blame on everything but themselves, it gets on my nerves.
Danthepest1 1 year ago
Slavery is not self correcting -- humans have kept each other as slaves for thousands of years and still do today.
FluffyFeralMarmot 1 year ago
After this, I gotta check some porn in order to become more of an animal (which I already am as a human, by the way) than becoming an angel, which is nothing more than a delusional human mind created being.
lgalicki 1 year ago
I had to stop the clip at 10:39 when he spoke off mic to pick up some dust to blow from his hand. Greasy old style preaching. Did he explain this metaphor afterward? ... I'm guessing that he didn't...
purgruv 1 year ago
There is no reason to attribute subjective experience to a magic sky person. It is obviously just what helps this guy sleep at night. Of course, he has to twist the idea of "truth" to make himself not feel like a lunatic, but if you asked him, he could not demonstrate any difference between what he "believes to be true" and a delusional daydream.
Split539 1 year ago
This priest is out of his fucking mind. I have 18 gigs of furry and human porn and this priest cannot do shit about it. Fuck this priest and his god. Yes priest, I am an animal and I fucked your 20yr old daughter like one!
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
OK?!?!... no it´s still not OK... speak in proper sentences ...
InHousePussy 1 year ago
Matt turns me on!
Okay, not really. But, I really admire him.
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago
Someone who watches porn and someone who reads a book that's about religion or science is environmental. The environment shapes who you are. In other words it's an outside influence that CAN be accounted for and analyzed to see the effects. Far more rational the thinking there is an outside force that can't be seen and has the same characteristics of nothing. But being rational tends to be religions weak suit in regards to itself.
moety2 1 year ago
Do atheists assert that man is no more than his molecules? By definition, they do not, as all they assert is that there is no evidence to believe in gods, but also most atheists, I think, would accept the existence of consciousness, which clearly is "more than just molecules", even if fundamentally derived from them.
aido92 1 year ago
@aido92 Learn about emergence.
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago
@AtheistdotEDU Sorry, don't understand the point you are making here. Was that not basically what I was describing?
aido92 1 year ago
the priest likes to watch porn....10 hrs a day
technosasquatch 1 year ago
@technosasquatch
Correction: Priest likes child porn
ArcyTheFurryArcanine 1 year ago
This guy doesn't even like porn, what the hell is wrong with him.
AmericanCritiquer 1 year ago
What the fuck is wrong with watching porn? I can only participate but can't watch it? WTF?
Jahkillian 1 year ago
Shut the fuck up.
CntrBrdr 1 year ago
fuck him i am not a spiritual being
Nibielari 1 year ago
I am going to watch porn for the rest of my life!!!!
AndresUppsala1 1 year ago
Watching porn doesn't lead me to want to kill, lie, steal, etc. Also, why can't a person participate in activities that will make them a better person AND watch porn when one is horney?
TomsFriendKake 1 year ago
Did porn have to be the example? You can read Dostoevksi vs Erma Bombeck (perfectly respectable lady) and be two different people. Why's it gotta be porn? By the way, love the blowjob pantomime at 10:28 where he picks it up off the floor (DAYUM!) first. "Man became" alright.
VideoMenu 1 year ago
i'm an atheist i never watch porn. speak for yourself priest. nasty priests.
hmala 1 year ago
Matt won. He should go up the debate ladder. He's like Duke basketball taking on Samford. It's just painful xD
Existentialisht 1 year ago 2
Quit preaching, start listening.
TheFifthGreatApe 1 year ago
ummmmmm, why can we not spend 10 hours a week listening and reading though provoking material, AND spend 10 hours watching porn, will they negate each other?
GearsofFate101 1 year ago 2
"We dont know about the nature of God."
Excellent. Such a statement literally proves that your theistic beliefs, mister preacher, are made up irrelevant fairy tales.
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
Better watch that porn. Seriously...
Wrath0fKhan 1 year ago
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Koenma007 1 year ago
This guy is can't be historian, since there were atheist before christianity. Greeks had them, and so did some people in asia.
Tespri 1 year ago 2
why do these lunatics always have to bring sex in to it ?
kevrs2 1 year ago 3
i dont like it when people blow invisable dust at me, i have invisable asthma :(
fergdrumgus 1 year ago
We'll understand that christianity is 'self-correcting' when they admit that jesus was no god and likely never existed and begins to work to reverse it's 2000-year record of hideous moral mistakes.
Until then we can see that it is a 'self-perpetuating' system with a deep hostility to the truth.
proudfootz 1 year ago 3
I don't understand how slavery was "always immoral" and people just didn't realize it, lol. What is Matt talking about? Morality is not objective. If I don't value human life/freedom, then slavery is not a moral issue at all-- it's as simple as that. There is no "truth" here, good and bad are opinions based on what each individual values. Our values, however, are based in part on evoluntionary programming, so maybe that's what he's talking about.
adean2 1 year ago
He thinks he's Tinkerbell!Think happy thoughts everybody, and hold on!
Wow, somebody get that man his Coco Puffs because he is Coo Coo!
hevyAccel 1 year ago
@hevyAccel Oh children please! Clap your hands if you believe! "I do believe in fairies! I do! I do!"
dangerics 1 year ago
spending your whole life telling people your friends with an invisible dude sounds like a very healthy way to live.
styrofoamheart 1 year ago
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Blazeing007 1 year ago
GAHHH! The guy that coughs over Matt obscured alot of they key wording he's using and I don't understand his answers around 6:00-6:45! It's driving me insane!
FoxBatinaHat 1 year ago
"Its true therefore I believe it" (9:30). Circular logic.
louisetardif86 1 year ago
Dude whack it out and then your sexual tension is gone and you can FOCUS and accomplish all manner of things. I was such an astute thinker and so very bright before i met "Horny". After a while i figured out that all you need to do is take care of that horny and then the mind is free to think again!! I Repudiate! Your claims that masturbation is meritless and harms the soul. You are yet again trying to hammer reality to fit the constraints of an ancient tribal text.
1010011010is29a 1 year ago 2
A priest talking about reality ???
I see them all as delusional & dangerous. Not to mention most of them are in denial of their homosexuality to the point that they dedicated their lives to a magic sky daddy due to fear of being eternally tortured by that magic sky daddy's former employee.
bodeezy 1 year ago 21
@bodeezy God is beyond the common atheistic notion of a "sky daddy." That's probably why no atheist can comprehend God. They're all caught up with this idea that the God they dismiss is this "sky daddy" which obviously has its roots in Hebraism, Christianity, and Islam. I've never seen Matt Dillahunty retort those religions which have had their origins in India, most particularly, Hinduism itself and to a lesser extent, Buddhism.
Hanahleia 1 year ago
@Hanahleia I have seen Matt break those religions down also, he just happens to be a former christian & that happens to be the most dominant religion in the U.S. A god is NOT beyond atheists' comprehension. . . how can you make such a ridiculous generalization? Most outspoken atheists are former believers. Some, like Matt, were very devout until researching religion. Show us proof of a god & we will examine it. If it is real we will accept it. Show us the evidence.
bodeezy 1 year ago
@bodeezy You missed my point. I've went through the back-log of uploads, and Hinduism is never addressed. What I'm saying is that the God of Hinduism is a very different notion than the God of Christianity, which is the God that most atheists reject. Do you know a single thing about Hinduism? I truly doubt it. Religion is a word that can become confusing, because people think when they hear that Hinduism is a religion, they think it's something like Christianity, when it's COMPLETELY different.
Hanahleia 1 year ago
@Hanahleia do you have brain damage? you say atheists can't comprehend God, but you can? do you have access to special information that we don't? please share your wealth of information with us heathens so we can pretend too.
skippydeenice 1 year ago
@bodeezy Yeah, I don't understand why the devil tortures people that sin... Doesn't the devil like that people sin? Shouldn't he praise the people who sin with whores and drugs, parties, porn and w/e christians think is evil? The devil is torturing the "bad guys", doesn't that hypothetically make him the good guy? He's punishing evil after all... lol
dadiddlydooda 11 months ago
You don't become a bad person watching porn.
You become a lover of people!
*nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink*.
MithranArkanere 1 year ago 3
At 9:30 there is a perfect example of circular reasoning.
Wasd3r 1 year ago
Did he just pick up imaginary sand and blow it at everyone?
FocusWithin 1 year ago 4
It's funny how he calls himself an Orthodox priest, yet he's all about reformation. Which, as Matt's correctly pointed out, has only been occuring because of the secular morality.
Wasd3r 1 year ago
Wait a minute, he doesn't believe in a talking snake, adam or eve in a literal sense but he believes that we where created from dirt?
colombus66 1 year ago 3
"Okay?" NO. It isn't ok. It's a load of nonsense, you orthodox dipshit.
8eist 1 year ago 14
If this guy knew anything about art he'd know porn and naked people was some of the first material we drew/painted. I mean come on, even the ancient Egyptians had sexual art. I remember seeing a documentary on it, though the name escapes me.
TitenSxull 1 year ago
Hey hey..hey now...nothing wrong with a little porn now n then.
HimmuraTube 1 year ago 3
I lost the account of "I believe" he repeats over and over during the debate..
azarielZX 1 year ago
I think this would've been a more fruitful debate if Jacobse were less reliant on going into a groan-worthy Sermon Mode when answering questions. Saying something louder or repeatedly, or relying on pretty language (angels!), does not augment insight. Actually, I wish there'd been an elaboration on the reasonableness of art (I'm wondering why religions or their texts can be said to be more valid than the truths I might perceive in, say, a poem or song).
heyguysinternet 1 year ago 4
I wish he would stop bringing up MLK. MLK and especially Coretta were, in many ways, working AGAINST prevailing Christian morality. Essentially, they used the Baptist churches in order to bolster grass-roots action and cooperation toward injustice. For fucks sake, the bible point-blank says that slaves should obey their masters - not to mention what it says about gays. The Kings actually considered going to a UU (mainly rationalist) church, but knew they couldn't start a revolution there.
sinmantyx 1 year ago 2
The Father keeps trying to tie science to Christianity. Ancient Greece is the home of the beginnings of science. Rational thought began there, not in the slums of the church controlled world.
AnAtheisticAbomb 1 year ago
seems to me like the theist has some trouble actually making his point. he just stumbles around a bunch of rhetoric and reverse psychology (it has to be reverse psychology, he frequently says things like "i'm not SAYING atheists are evil, they certainly aren't!") i mean i cant find a single point made by him in the entirety of the time i forced myself to watch him. he's no more intelligent than anyone other theist on this argument so i wonder why he was chosen in the first place
Bobselete 1 year ago
Father Hans keeps saying "The Atheist." He does realize Matt has a name right?
Aquarius012988 1 year ago
@Aquarius012988
Saying "the atheist" when referring to Matt helps him to avoid putting a face on atheists so that he can continue to make these sweeping claims about the inhumanity of atheism.
rafaravioli 1 year ago 3
I think in the end Father Hans failed to demonstrate or substantiate the value of Christian tradition as anything other then selectively viewing the past.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
Damn that Theist went fucking nuts towards the end of the debate..
boricuamm707 1 year ago 3
The guy is preaching a lot and evading the questions like crazy.
leorcc 1 year ago 4
I choose porn.
MauricXe 1 year ago 3
Well he is right, I would be a different person if I watched porn 10 hrs a week vs. reading a novel. I would be a much happier and satisfied human if I watched the porn for 10 hours a week.
dhcrazy333 1 year ago
He knows for a fact that we all watch porn ten hours a week? I don't think so.
AnnRKey 1 year ago
@AnnRKey
I don't think Hans Jacobse is interested in facts at all.
MrFacet 1 year ago
@MrFacet Indeed.
AnnRKey 1 year ago
Good music? What is good music? I happen to like some of Madonna's work. I prefer Tool though.
AnnRKey 1 year ago 2
10:50 - it leads to things like the inquisition. D:
xerophyte 1 year ago
I'd love to see what the Father has hidden on his computer, lol.
Rickishot2 1 year ago
Hans is a pain in the arse to listen to. Debate format but it always sounds like he's preaching to you like spelling out b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t. and telling you that it spells cake, but it's bullshit and there's no way to turn it into cake. But if you don't spell it out for yourself you're going to be eating bullshit.
aadoza 1 year ago 38
@aadoza very very well put. he is just being a polatic and not answering questions directly and getting off topic and preaching. he is trying to change definitions. religion or not you cannot change gravity, it will always be gravity and nothing else. my question would be, how can these things change over time, how can religion change overtime whats right or wrong. isnt the word of god suposed to be written in stone not constantly changing over the years. isnt that a sign right there.
TomTomTheLeprechaun 1 year ago
@aadoza The cake is a lie. And bullshit.
MultiSteveB 1 year ago
can the priest not hear himself talk ? I feel like if he could he would stop. It's kind of embarressing.
inuhgungju 1 year ago 2
Watching porn is human. And to my subjectivity, beautiful. BY the way, this coming from a virgin priest little bitch who believes in talking snakes and flying dead zombie jews.
It literally is like taking advice from a person who speaks with utter conviction of Zeus and his lightning arrows. It's exactly the same comparison. Except the Greeks' mythology is MORE credible. At least they KNEW what their god looks like. Christians do not.
Domzdream 1 year ago
repudiate?
prowled 1 year ago
I feel like I'm at a church being preached to whenever he talks.
exmerion 1 year ago
@exmerion
I agree. I have to admit Im a bit dissapointed with Matt. This priest preaches nothing but subjectivity, and not really debating Matt.
When will atheists (such as Hitchens) finally grow some balls and just let rip. Recently debates between ' the bananaman' and Thunderfoot, have been sub-par. There is a miriad of 'ammunition' which atheists have against theists. It's called reason, and reality, let alone logic. I wish they'd use it more.
Domzdream 1 year ago
I love when a Christian (or anyone) says something like, "Well, everyone does X (in this case, X = 'watches porn')."
It's an accidental admission that they do X all the time (it's so common in their own life to the point that they just assume that it's part of everyone's life). So, in this case, we can safely assume that this priest spends 10+ hours a week watching porn.
rafaravioli 1 year ago 4
"How does beauty and music determine someone's morality?"
Hans Jacobse = "Distract them with porn, and then simply make assertions."
CutieBabe25 1 year ago
If religion has all of "the answers" why do religious people dodge all of the questions?
AKICKTOTHEEYE 1 year ago 2
Wait... watching porn is to deny something fundamental about yourself??
This guy gets everything ass backwards the whole way through, to REFUSE to watch porn is to deny something fundamental about yourself.
IMelkor42 1 year ago
I've read Dostoyevsky AND I've watched porn. You can actually do both, father. Nice attempt at instilling guilt into the audience, but that doesn't work unless one already believes that watching porn is immoral. You fail, ONCE AGAIN!
Vinifera7 1 year ago
painful
zodiakranch 1 year ago
Dostoyevsky vs. porn? We don't have to choose. We can have it all! XD
joymora 1 year ago
We are not just molecules but a divine burp trying to become angels.....what!!
velendzas 1 year ago
Finally Humans are animals and angels probably do not exist.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
COMPUTERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY!!! If you glue a screen to a computer nothing will happen. Also porn is awesome, and I've always thought Chekhov was a much better writer than Dostoevsky.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
I hate the appeal to authority argument. Yes Martin Luther King was a Christian and claimed that informed his views. So what? Mohandis Gandhi was a Hindu, did that mean that Hinduism has a mechanism to correct others?
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
I'm confused.. Is the Father here to preach or debate?
etatauri 1 year ago 31
@etatauri He's here to preach. They're always here to preach. There is no debate with the religious.
dangerics 1 year ago
@etatauri all religious intend to do is preach when they come to debate
kokofan50 1 year ago
@etatauri preach.
schwarzdrachen 1 year ago
@etatauri I like the end when he's yelling, "Listen to me!" That doesn't smack of desperation at all.
jussts 1 year ago
I'm shocked that the Muslim thinks his religion has all the right answers......
pickles4all 1 year ago 4
The Priest seems obsessed with porn.
OnTheFritz602 1 year ago 7
@OnTheFritz602 The hilarious part was that his accusing everyone of watching porn is a tacit admission of his own porn habit. Is he saying everyone but him watches porn?
JoshwithaJ 1 year ago
The great developments in science came when religion lost its power.
8WholeThing 1 year ago 5
...he is, in short, a charlatan. he's just not very good at it.
ThePassiveFist 1 year ago
@ThePassiveFist he kinda blew his cover when he brought up hitler and porn.
largegrainsofsalt 1 year ago
The father uses vocal techniques (badly, i might add) to try to draw the listener to his side subconsciously. his repeated use of the word "ok?" at the end of many sentences is designed to lead the listener to agree with him on the 'little' points he makes, and is used to establish a general, overall feeling of agreeableness to the speaker's voice. what he is saying is, on the whole, total gibberish. but his speech patterns, his mannerisms all attempt to convey to the listener a sense of truth.
ThePassiveFist 1 year ago 2
Oh so that explains it. God must've been suffering from halitosis when he blew souls into some people.
xxSilverPhinxx 1 year ago
lolol that minute where he talked about porn i loled my ass off
J3yblivion 1 year ago