@csnowutube The trail of the Israelites in the desert at the time of the Exodus, and remains of their encampment dating to exactly this time period have been found. Both Jericho and Ai were destroyed ca. 2400 B.C., with destruction layers accurately fitting the biblical descriptions. The evidence that Dr. Aardsma's proposal is correct has become overwhelming and continues to mount.
Once again we are made made priest in the Kingdom of God.The Holy Spirit lives within us and we are not to bring unholy substances into the temple of God i.e our bodies.
@TheotherPrometheus God has ordained it unholy.9Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: 10And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy.Strong drinks are listed as unholy and unclean.
Lev 23:13 the drink offering was not; the reason of which seems to be, because these offerings were on account of the harvest and not the vintage: the (translation of the Torah) calls it wine of grapes, to distinguish it from wine that might be made of other things, but not to be used in drink offerings, only the pure juice of the grape. Once again it should be note that according to Jewish manuscript that the drink that was brought as the tithe was grape juice.
@love4christx77 Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
cs - It clearly says it is none of your business what others eat or drink.
We already know you do not follow Matthew 6:5 in the Bible, so why do you say this?
@csnowutube Matthew 6:5 was speaking to those who use prayer for self gain.They would pray only to make themselves seem more spiritual but in there hearts they where not truly seeking God.God judges the heart of man.What you are doing here is judging me without know my heart,but it is ok we both know your true motives behind what you are doing God bless.
@love4christx77 My motive is to show there are no Christians. It is easy to do by quoting the Bible and waiting for the person who claims to be a Christian to tell me that the Bible does not mean what it says. It's my hobby.
If i were to tell you that your not really a man it would not change the fact that you know your a man would it.The same is true for one who follows Christ,nothing in this world can change what i know to be true.Not even an atheist.
@csnowutube Biblically speaking you are wrong.A christian is one who gives his life to Jesus.They follow Jesus forsake themselves and trust in him and his finish work at the cross.By you making the judgement no one is a christian is at the least a dead claim.It has no value to me at all.
@love4christx77 Biblically, I am right. Do you go by the Bible or not? I say you don't from the videos I have seen of you and from many of the comments you have made. This is another one. You have not forsaken yourself.
You pray in public, wear a suit and strut around with a microphone and have a credit card system set up and lie about the clear words of the Bible you say you follow. Jesus is not going to be happy. peace.
@csnowutube Jesus preached to thousands and commanded us to Mark 16:18 Go into all the world preach the gospel.How can you say I have not forsaken myself with out knowing me once again your trying to judge my heart.Jesus prayed in public he is not against it.He is against those praying with false motives in public.I have a passion for the Lord.I have given up much in this world to follow him.
@love4christx77 "preach the gospel", yes. He didn't say twist around first. You have not forsaken yourself because you are putting up videos of yourself as the center of attention. It's all about you. Your heart is a blood pump . I am observing your outward behaviors. Matt. 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
@csnowutube I put up videos to reach people that may come onto my website that do not know the Lord.I feel that one word might change some ones heart.I also have my videos up there for my grandparents to watch me minister.They live out of state and would like to make it to see me minister but can not.
@csnowutube John 14:13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.Once again Jesus was not against the saints asking of the Father but rather he was against those who would babel meaningless words.Matthew 6 Jesus was speaking for those only putting on a show before men but inwardly there hearts denied the Lord.God is looking for those who seek him in spirit and in truth.
@csnowutube Fall out a figure of speech.Like unto nuclear fall out.Do to sin we live in a world of death,disease and immoral activities.There are many archeological evidence for the bible.Such as the walls of Jericho.
@csnowutube That is like me asking you to find me an atheist who has an unbiased approach to the existence of God.Those who study the artifacts from the walls of Jericho are obviously going to believe in God's word and want to find facts to support it.
@csnowutube Can you give proof that the walls fell hundreds of years before the time of Joshua?If not your holding on to empty claims.The miracle your missing to see is that the wall of Jericho did not just fall over.They were pushed straight down still intact.
@love4christx77 Proof? No. Apparently Ms. Kenyon has evidence and I intend to check out her book soon. Miracles are extraordinary claims which require extraordinary evidence.
@love4christx77 continued - from: faculty (dot)vassar(dot)edu/jolott/old_courses/class%20of%2051/jericho/kenyon(dot)html
Being a Christian, she did not argue that the biblical account of Jericho's destruction was entirely false. Instead, she tried to explain her finds. For example, according to her the famed walls of Jericho could have collapsed due to an earthquake, which her excavation showed seemed to have destroyed a number of the earlier walls. continued.
@csnowutube First she is stating the fact that the walls fell at the time of Joshua.If this is true that is a miracle in it self.The walls fell at the exact time God told Joshua it would.Secondly the walls did not just fall they were pushed down intact into the earth.
@love4christx77 love4christx77 said, " ... she is stating the fact ... "
cs - That is not what I understood when I read about her.
l7 - "If this is true...."
cs - If Harry Potter is true.. We agree about the "ifs", on to the evidence. Ms. K. , wrote that the walls of Jericho, the ones Joshua would have seen in his time, were already fallen down we he and his group arrived.
l7 -"...pushed down intact into the earth."
cs - Please give a reference so I can follow up on this. thanks
Kenyon site was wrong.“The Italian excavation actually uncovered most of the critical evidence relating to the Biblical story. But even more exciting is the fact that all the evidence from the earlier digs has disappeared over time. We only have records, drawing and photos. But the Italians uncovered a completely new section of the wall which we did not know still existed. I had my photograph taken standing next to the wall where the mudbrick collapse had just been excavated!”
@love4christx77 from: w w w (.)biblicalchronologist(dot)org/answers/bryantwood(dot)php
"Wood has attempted to redate the destruction of Jericho City IV from the end of the Middle Bronze Age (c. 1550 B.C.) to the end of the Late Bronze I (c. 1400 B.C.). He has put forward four lines of argument to support his conclusion. Not a single one of these arguments can stand up to scrutiny.
@csnowutube He proposed that the "480" of 1 Kings 6:1 was originally "1,480" but the Hebrew letters corresponding to the "one thousand" were lost at an early stage of copying.This proposal is applied in the second time chart at left. The new biblical date for the Exodus becomes ca. 2450 B.C., and prior biblical events are similarly shifted to earlier times, by exactly 1000 years relative to traditional biblical chronology.
@csnowutube Solomon's reign is usually calculated to have begun around 970 B.C., thus placing the Exodus around 1450 B.C. As stated above, the archaeology of Egypt and Canaan at this time is incompatible with the biblical record. In addition, the Bible lists consecutive events between the Exodus and Solomon's reign which total at least 600 years. In 1990, Dr. Aardsma proposed a major adjustment to traditional biblical chronology.
@csnowutube The key biblical chronological link used to determine the date of the Exodus is a number in 1 Kings 6:1. This verse reads, "And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel...".
Gerald E. Aardsma, Ph.D., has proposed that this apparent disharmony results from a problem in traditional biblical chronology. Traditional biblical chronologies are constructed by assembling the various chronological data given in the Bible itself. Interpretive issues have given rise to relatively minor variations in traditional biblical chronologies, depending on the scholar. The traditional chronology displayed in the time chart at left is typical.
@csnowutube They explain away the earlier portions of the Bible as folktales bearing little if any resemblance to real history. Until recently, conservative, Bible-believing scholarship has been in a difficult position. If the Bible tells an accurate story of history, why do archaeology and the Bible not agree prior to the United Kingdom period?
@csnowutube The trail of harmony between biblical and secular history is lost as one moves back into the period of the judges. This problem is widely recognized. In fact, the majority of scholars today have concluded that the Bible is simply not historically reliable before the United Kingdom period.
@csnowutube the archaeology of Jericho cannot be made to fit the biblical record of Joshua's defeat of that city without sacrificing biblical and scientific integrity; and the situation at Ai is even less workable.
@csnowutube@csnowutube Sorry I took so long replying.Have been kinda busy.For example: none of the prominent figures of the Exodus can be positively identified in secular records; the chronology and history of Egypt seem incompatible with the biblical account
@love4christx77 cont. - "It would have been very natural for the Israelites to have regarded such a visitation as divine intervention...(Kenyon, 262)"
She believed that archaeology was needed to prove the historicity of the Bible; more importantly, that archaeology was needed to aid us in the interpretation of the "older parts of the Old Testament, which from the nature of their sources,... cannot be read as a straightforward record (Kenyon, 266)."
@love4christx77 Thanks, I did a little searching and found a book by Kathleen Kenyon and a YouTube video about her. She is known for her work at Jericho. I don't know if she was a believer in the literal reading of the Bible, but her work says the walls came down over a hundred years before Joshua showed up. It's easy to make up stories about fantastic things. I will trust the field work of the archaeologists. Unless they make extraordinary claims without evidence. peace.
@TheotherPrometheus You can not prove that Rom 14 is advocating drinking.Lev 23:13 dose use the Hebrew word yayin but it should be noted that the (translation of the Torah) calls it wine of grapes, to distinguish it from wine that might be made of other things, but not to be used in drink offerings, only the pure juice of the grape.Question have you ever read the Translation of the Torah?
@love4christx77 Are you refering to the Targum of Jonathan? That is what John Gill's Exposition of the Bible refers to, and that's what you seem to be copying some of your text from.
In any case, no. I have various translations of the entire Bible, but not that book.
Pagans and Christians may together enjoy Wine at the Feast of Universal Love. Christianity was better for all of us before Empeoror Constantine and his successors made it State Religion, the only Religion. Then everyone had to agree. Well, perfect agreement does not make good dinner conversation.
wow, all of this debate is nonsense. personally i dont believe in religion, i dont claim to be a Christian. im just a vessel. and a follower of jesus. but thats not what im commenting about. pil. 2:12 says to "seek your own salvation with fear and trembling." so thats what im going to do. not try to find loop holes in the system so i can drink alcohol without feeling bad? come on.. this is almost as bad as the "did adam and eve have a navel" debate. no one will ever win.
Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Num 28:7 And the drink offering thereof [shall be] the fourth [part] of an hin for the one lamb : in the holy [place] shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD [for] a drink offering
Also here is a verse condoning drinking to celibate, note its talking about if the place to tithe is to far, He says to spend the money on what ever you want, even strong drink, Don't you Love God, he sure LOVES us
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after , for oxen , or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Here is a good point to bring up regarding this verse Lev 10:9 "
If it was a sin to drink then why did he not just say do not drink, cause that would include when your in the tab, but he doesn't say that, what he says is do not drink when you are going into the tabernacle, least you die, and then he gives an answer as to why ~ Lev 10:10 "that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, ~ ~ so to a way lessor extent the same reason why u don't drink at work,
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@csnowutube The trail of the Israelites in the desert at the time of the Exodus, and remains of their encampment dating to exactly this time period have been found. Both Jericho and Ai were destroyed ca. 2400 B.C., with destruction layers accurately fitting the biblical descriptions. The evidence that Dr. Aardsma's proposal is correct has become overwhelming and continues to mount.
love4christx77 1 month ago
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love4christx77 1 month ago
Once again we are made made priest in the Kingdom of God.The Holy Spirit lives within us and we are not to bring unholy substances into the temple of God i.e our bodies.
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@love4christx77 Unholy according to what standard? Is there a guideline to unholy substances provided in the scriptures?
TheotherPrometheus 1 month ago
@TheotherPrometheus God has ordained it unholy.9Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: 10And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy.Strong drinks are listed as unholy and unclean.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Wine was used as an offering (Lev 23:13). Wine and strong drink were permitted as tithes (Deut 14:26)
The priests were only restricted from these when they were serving.
TheotherPrometheus 1 month ago
Lev 23:13 the drink offering was not; the reason of which seems to be, because these offerings were on account of the harvest and not the vintage: the (translation of the Torah) calls it wine of grapes, to distinguish it from wine that might be made of other things, but not to be used in drink offerings, only the pure juice of the grape. Once again it should be note that according to Jewish manuscript that the drink that was brought as the tithe was grape juice.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77
yayin (yah'-yin) n-m.
1. wine (as fermented)
2. (by implication) intoxication
[from an unused root meaning to effervesce]
TheotherPrometheus 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Grape juice? Where do you see that? The word is "yayin" it means wine, wine means it has been fermented and has alcohol in it.
Strong's H3196 - yayin
csnowutube 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Unholy according to what standard? The law of Moses?
Romans 14 seems to say that wine is permissible unless it causes a weaker brother to stumble.
TheotherPrometheus 1 month ago
@TheotherPrometheus Rom 14 dose not allow use to drink the strong drink.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
cs - It clearly says it is none of your business what others eat or drink.
We already know you do not follow Matthew 6:5 in the Bible, so why do you say this?
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube Matthew 6:5 was speaking to those who use prayer for self gain.They would pray only to make themselves seem more spiritual but in there hearts they where not truly seeking God.God judges the heart of man.What you are doing here is judging me without know my heart,but it is ok we both know your true motives behind what you are doing God bless.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 My motive is to show there are no Christians. It is easy to do by quoting the Bible and waiting for the person who claims to be a Christian to tell me that the Bible does not mean what it says. It's my hobby.
csnowutube 1 month ago
If i were to tell you that your not really a man it would not change the fact that you know your a man would it.The same is true for one who follows Christ,nothing in this world can change what i know to be true.Not even an atheist.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 No, I have the parts to qualify as a man. You don't seem to be following Jesus that closely.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube Biblically speaking you are wrong.A christian is one who gives his life to Jesus.They follow Jesus forsake themselves and trust in him and his finish work at the cross.By you making the judgement no one is a christian is at the least a dead claim.It has no value to me at all.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Biblically, I am right. Do you go by the Bible or not? I say you don't from the videos I have seen of you and from many of the comments you have made. This is another one. You have not forsaken yourself.
You pray in public, wear a suit and strut around with a microphone and have a credit card system set up and lie about the clear words of the Bible you say you follow. Jesus is not going to be happy. peace.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube Jesus preached to thousands and commanded us to Mark 16:18 Go into all the world preach the gospel.How can you say I have not forsaken myself with out knowing me once again your trying to judge my heart.Jesus prayed in public he is not against it.He is against those praying with false motives in public.I have a passion for the Lord.I have given up much in this world to follow him.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 "preach the gospel", yes. He didn't say twist around first. You have not forsaken yourself because you are putting up videos of yourself as the center of attention. It's all about you. Your heart is a blood pump . I am observing your outward behaviors. Matt. 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube I put up videos to reach people that may come onto my website that do not know the Lord.I feel that one word might change some ones heart.I also have my videos up there for my grandparents to watch me minister.They live out of state and would like to make it to see me minister but can not.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77
The heart is a blood pump. Your grandparents, I assume, have the same belief system as you, please correct me if I am wrong.
My grandchildren live out of town and I was glad to see them over New Years. peace
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube Yes they believe the same way I do.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube John 14:13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.Once again Jesus was not against the saints asking of the Father but rather he was against those who would babel meaningless words.Matthew 6 Jesus was speaking for those only putting on a show before men but inwardly there hearts denied the Lord.God is looking for those who seek him in spirit and in truth.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77
"Ask" that an emergency room does not have any patients for 24 hours and let me know where I can check for the news story. peace.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube Just because it dose not happen dose not mean there is no God.It just means that we live in a fall out world.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77
"Fall out" or fallen? I am familiar with the Bible stories. They no longer satisfy me. thanks
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube I mean fall out.It is not a factor of satisfaction.God's word is truth no matter what we have to say about it.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77
Please explain "fallout."
To you it is not a factor, to me, it is.
Once you show evidence for "God's word", I will be glad to discuss further. peace.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube Fall out a figure of speech.Like unto nuclear fall out.Do to sin we live in a world of death,disease and immoral activities.There are many archeological evidence for the bible.Such as the walls of Jericho.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Please tell me where I can read about Jericho from an unbiased source.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube That is like me asking you to find me an atheist who has an unbiased approach to the existence of God.Those who study the artifacts from the walls of Jericho are obviously going to believe in God's word and want to find facts to support it.
love4christx77 1 month ago
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csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube Can you give proof that the walls fell hundreds of years before the time of Joshua?If not your holding on to empty claims.The miracle your missing to see is that the wall of Jericho did not just fall over.They were pushed straight down still intact.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Proof? No. Apparently Ms. Kenyon has evidence and I intend to check out her book soon. Miracles are extraordinary claims which require extraordinary evidence.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@love4christx77 continued - from: faculty (dot)vassar(dot)edu/jolott/old_courses/class%20of%2051/jericho/kenyon(dot)html
Being a Christian, she did not argue that the biblical account of Jericho's destruction was entirely false. Instead, she tried to explain her finds. For example, according to her the famed walls of Jericho could have collapsed due to an earthquake, which her excavation showed seemed to have destroyed a number of the earlier walls. continued.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube First she is stating the fact that the walls fell at the time of Joshua.If this is true that is a miracle in it self.The walls fell at the exact time God told Joshua it would.Secondly the walls did not just fall they were pushed down intact into the earth.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 love4christx77 said, " ... she is stating the fact ... "
cs - That is not what I understood when I read about her.
l7 - "If this is true...."
cs - If Harry Potter is true.. We agree about the "ifs", on to the evidence. Ms. K. , wrote that the walls of Jericho, the ones Joshua would have seen in his time, were already fallen down we he and his group arrived.
l7 -"...pushed down intact into the earth."
cs - Please give a reference so I can follow up on this. thanks
csnowutube 1 month ago
Kenyon site was wrong.“The Italian excavation actually uncovered most of the critical evidence relating to the Biblical story. But even more exciting is the fact that all the evidence from the earlier digs has disappeared over time. We only have records, drawing and photos. But the Italians uncovered a completely new section of the wall which we did not know still existed. I had my photograph taken standing next to the wall where the mudbrick collapse had just been excavated!”
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 from: w w w (.)biblicalchronologist(dot)org/answers/bryantwood(dot)php
"Wood has attempted to redate the destruction of Jericho City IV from the end of the Middle Bronze Age (c. 1550 B.C.) to the end of the Late Bronze I (c. 1400 B.C.). He has put forward four lines of argument to support his conclusion. Not a single one of these arguments can stand up to scrutiny.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@csnowutube He proposed that the "480" of 1 Kings 6:1 was originally "1,480" but the Hebrew letters corresponding to the "one thousand" were lost at an early stage of copying.This proposal is applied in the second time chart at left. The new biblical date for the Exodus becomes ca. 2450 B.C., and prior biblical events are similarly shifted to earlier times, by exactly 1000 years relative to traditional biblical chronology.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube Solomon's reign is usually calculated to have begun around 970 B.C., thus placing the Exodus around 1450 B.C. As stated above, the archaeology of Egypt and Canaan at this time is incompatible with the biblical record. In addition, the Bible lists consecutive events between the Exodus and Solomon's reign which total at least 600 years. In 1990, Dr. Aardsma proposed a major adjustment to traditional biblical chronology.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube The key biblical chronological link used to determine the date of the Exodus is a number in 1 Kings 6:1. This verse reads, "And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel...".
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube The Solution
Gerald E. Aardsma, Ph.D., has proposed that this apparent disharmony results from a problem in traditional biblical chronology. Traditional biblical chronologies are constructed by assembling the various chronological data given in the Bible itself. Interpretive issues have given rise to relatively minor variations in traditional biblical chronologies, depending on the scholar. The traditional chronology displayed in the time chart at left is typical.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube They explain away the earlier portions of the Bible as folktales bearing little if any resemblance to real history. Until recently, conservative, Bible-believing scholarship has been in a difficult position. If the Bible tells an accurate story of history, why do archaeology and the Bible not agree prior to the United Kingdom period?
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube The trail of harmony between biblical and secular history is lost as one moves back into the period of the judges. This problem is widely recognized. In fact, the majority of scholars today have concluded that the Bible is simply not historically reliable before the United Kingdom period.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube the archaeology of Jericho cannot be made to fit the biblical record of Joshua's defeat of that city without sacrificing biblical and scientific integrity; and the situation at Ai is even less workable.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@csnowutube @csnowutube Sorry I took so long replying.Have been kinda busy.For example: none of the prominent figures of the Exodus can be positively identified in secular records; the chronology and history of Egypt seem incompatible with the biblical account
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 cont. - "It would have been very natural for the Israelites to have regarded such a visitation as divine intervention...(Kenyon, 262)"
She believed that archaeology was needed to prove the historicity of the Bible; more importantly, that archaeology was needed to aid us in the interpretation of the "older parts of the Old Testament, which from the nature of their sources,... cannot be read as a straightforward record (Kenyon, 266)."
csnowutube 1 month ago
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@love4christx77 Thanks, I did a little searching and found a book by Kathleen Kenyon and a YouTube video about her. She is known for her work at Jericho. I don't know if she was a believer in the literal reading of the Bible, but her work says the walls came down over a hundred years before Joshua showed up. It's easy to make up stories about fantastic things. I will trust the field work of the archaeologists. Unless they make extraordinary claims without evidence. peace.
csnowutube 1 month ago
@love4christx77 It does not prohibit wine or strong drink, does it? It says we have the freedom to drink.
Please provide a verse that prohibits the New Testament believer from drinking alcohol.
TheotherPrometheus 1 month ago
@TheotherPrometheus You can not prove that Rom 14 is advocating drinking.Lev 23:13 dose use the Hebrew word yayin but it should be noted that the (translation of the Torah) calls it wine of grapes, to distinguish it from wine that might be made of other things, but not to be used in drink offerings, only the pure juice of the grape.Question have you ever read the Translation of the Torah?
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Are you refering to the Targum of Jonathan? That is what John Gill's Exposition of the Bible refers to, and that's what you seem to be copying some of your text from.
In any case, no. I have various translations of the entire Bible, but not that book.
TheotherPrometheus 1 month ago
@TheotherPrometheus You should read it.
love4christx77 1 month ago
@love4christx77 Is there a version available online? I don't have the money to buy books.
TheotherPrometheus 1 month ago
Pagans and Christians may together enjoy Wine at the Feast of Universal Love. Christianity was better for all of us before Empeoror Constantine and his successors made it State Religion, the only Religion. Then everyone had to agree. Well, perfect agreement does not make good dinner conversation.
MushroomedAnymore 4 months ago
wow, all of this debate is nonsense. personally i dont believe in religion, i dont claim to be a Christian. im just a vessel. and a follower of jesus. but thats not what im commenting about. pil. 2:12 says to "seek your own salvation with fear and trembling." so thats what im going to do. not try to find loop holes in the system so i can drink alcohol without feeling bad? come on.. this is almost as bad as the "did adam and eve have a navel" debate. no one will ever win.
jonvaris123 4 months ago
And last but not lest or only my fav verse on the topic
1Ti 5:23 No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities.
JessaMesss 8 months ago
Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Num 28:7 And the drink offering thereof [shall be] the fourth [part] of an hin for the one lamb : in the holy [place] shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD [for] a drink offering
JessaMesss 8 months ago
Also here is a verse condoning drinking to celibate, note its talking about if the place to tithe is to far, He says to spend the money on what ever you want, even strong drink, Don't you Love God, he sure LOVES us
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after , for oxen , or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
JessaMesss 8 months ago
Here is a good point to bring up regarding this verse Lev 10:9 "
If it was a sin to drink then why did he not just say do not drink, cause that would include when your in the tab, but he doesn't say that, what he says is do not drink when you are going into the tabernacle, least you die, and then he gives an answer as to why ~ Lev 10:10 "that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, ~ ~ so to a way lessor extent the same reason why u don't drink at work,
JessaMesss 8 months ago