Joshua Harris - How Does The Christian Resist Temptation?

[Redington931]

Science is based on logic. Without correct logic, scientism runs rampant and confuses issues even more than what they seem to be already.

[27kestrel27]

solomon had many sexual partners and he was the wiser man ever to live. Is masturbation a sin? lmao

[erinvechols]

His advice is so vague. "God will give you a way out." The end. No practical advice. Just clothes your eyes and click your ruby red slippers 5 times and you will be back in Kansas, Dorothy.

[nadua1]

@erinvechols he has to be vague, because He doesn't know you. But God does, God is the one who knows your individual areas of temptation, which might be different from everyone else's. I think it can be implied that a deeper relationship with the lord is God's" way out." if you are in constant communion with him, you'll get to know him more and he'll guide you to your open door of escape. no ruby slippers, just a desire to please him over your desires.

[simoneves1]

Just come onto youtube having prayed about falling into temptation yesterday and this is on my suggested videos. Never had a christian video come up there before. Didn't know God used youtube!!

[erinvechols]

@simoneves1 He doesn't. He uses GodTube. (which is a real thing) ;)

[0410327]

@ Bell1888, so true as I come on youtube I see a girl in panty and I am so weak to that but I have to be strong in the Lord. Thanks Joshua! I thk you are really a man of Wisdom. Always enjoy hearing your resolve.

[0410327]

@ Bell1888, so true as I come on youtube I see a girl in panty and I am so weak to that but I have to be strong in the Lord. Thanks Joshua! I thk you are really a man of Wisdom. Always enjoy hearing your resolve.

[UnrealHelix]

This is really helpful to me.

[StrumstickJoe]

Oscar said, "I can resist anything except temptation". It was a joke.

Sometimes I'm tempted to do something nice for someone. I don't resist that.

As for temptation to do something bad - well that doesn't really trouble me, for I don't like doing bad things. Nothing to do with anybody else, or any spirit in the sky. Why don't theists listen when ordinary people say this? Your stories and your magical beings just aren't needed, we don't believe in them.

[xclosetohumanx]

Why does god care about who fucks who? 

[sthcrox]

@xclosetohumanx

because we must live this life as holy as we will in eternity (that's if you are a born-again Christ follower)

[xclosetohumanx]

@sthcrox except there is no proof your god exists, so therefore I reject the Bible and I definitely reject the interpretations of it by puritanical nutjobs.

[sthcrox]

@xclosetohumanx

ok then.

[pgtips2]

@xclosetohumanx Define proof. There is lots of evidence for the God of the Bible. Just because you choose to ignore it or are unaware of it doesn't mean there isn't any. Don't be so arrogant.

[xclosetohumanx]

@pgtips2 Seriously? You're going to ask me to define proof? Proof is something demonstrable, testable and repeatable. Proof of god would be evidence that a supernatural being interacted with the real world in a way that is, by all accounts, impossible. Say, an amputee regrowing an arm, someone walking on water in lab conditions, etc...

[StrumstickJoe]

@xclosetohumanx So completely right.

[erinvechols]

@xclosetohumanx I agree with you about their not being any proof and understand why you would deny the Bible. But lets not be so arrogant as to forget that our definition of proof as "demonstrable, testable and repeatable" is a scientific definition and science, by its very definition, could never prove or disprove a god because it is already operating on the assumption that there isn't one (or any other kind of non-natural/super-natural thing).

[erinvechols]

So, by the very rules of science, we can't use scientific proofs to try to prove or disprove a supernatural being (because the assumption is that is already doesn't exist...it isn't a question or something testable because it falls outside the rules of science). It would be more appropriate, perhaps, to look at philosophical arguments for or against a supernatural being. But, you are right, the Christian apologists seem smart to Christians, but their argument are often void of content.

[xclosetohumanx]

@pgtips2 Arrogant? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I don't know there is no god, I simply reject the claim because there is no evidence to support it. Come to me with proof and I will change my mind. You, however, would likely never change your mind no matter what. You Christians believe that you have the ultimate understanding of the universe, and that people who don't share your belief in 2000 yr old anecdotes deserve to suffer for eternity in hell. THAT is arrogance, my friend.

[pgtips2]

@xclosetohumanx It was a reasonable request, our definitions of proof are not the same and to meaningly discuss the concept we have to both be using the same definitions. I think my point is that proof and evidence are not the same thing as you have yourself conceeded. What do you mean by 'ultimate understanding of the universe'? Also I'm as deserving of hell as the next man so I don't see how that makes me arrogant.

[xclosetohumanx]

@pgtips2 Ultimate understanding of the universe, as in, you believe you know what the cause of our existence is, when it is something that no one can ever truly know. And you may concede that you are a sinner like me, and also deserve to go to hell in eyes of god, but do you truly believe that? Do you genuinely accept that to be flawed and human is cause for eternal torment? If you, you're hopelessly lost and not worth speaking to.

[pgtips2]

@xclosetohumanx I do believe that I know what the cause of our existence is, which is a truth claim. However you say that no one can know, which is also a truth claim. I think you would be justified apart from the fact of divine revelation- God has revealed the truth to us so we need not be in doubt. Being human is not cause for eternal torment. However, being in constant and unremitting rebellion against God, supressing the truth and then rejecting the chance of reconciliation does.

[xclosetohumanx]

@pgtips2 Ok, I concede that. It is highly unlikely that we will ever discover the cause of all existence, I cannot know that for sure. But accepting divine revelation is based on faith. There are many religions that have existed in the course of human history, and their followers have the same fervor about their beliefs as you do. I reject ALL gods, not just yours. And for no other reason because there is no scientifically testable evidence of their existence. Any of them.

[pgtips2]

@xclosetohumanx Interesting reasoning. You seem to commit to only accepting beliefs which are 'scientifically testable', by which I assume you mean can be established by the empirical method. So beliefs which are not scientifically testable, such as "Henry VIII had six wives" and "my girlfriend loves me" are rejected. I'm not sure that's an intellectually honest position for you take.

[xclosetohumanx]

@pgtips2 The acceptance of a historical 'fact' is hardly comparable to a belief in a god. Sure, I 'believe' Henry VIII had 6 wives, there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence from various sources for me to reasonably accept that. Whether there is enough evidence for that claim to stand up to scientific scrutiny, I don't know. Nor do I really care. I don't base my everyday life on my belief in Henry VIII's number wives. If I did, I'd make damn sure I knew as much about the topic as possible.

[xclosetohumanx]

@pgtips2 And love, who cares? It's a word we made up to describe an abstract (and very subjective) concept. If my girlfriend tells me she loves me, it sounds nice, it's poetic, but if she goes out and cheats on me, then our personal definitions of love differ and this 'love' of hers has no value to me. I base my relationships on trust that is built over time. I don't have 'faith' in people, I have expectations of others based on past experiences. And I keep love where it belongs, in art.

[StrumstickJoe]

@pgtips2 Closetohuman is right. It is you that is unaware and not listening.

[pgtips2]

@StrumstickJoe Well I'm definitely listening. What am I unaware of though?

[StrumstickJoe]

@pgtips2 "There is lots of evidence for the God of the Bible. Just because you choose to ignore it or are unaware of it doesn't mean there isn't any."

I got the word from this post.

You seem unaware that it is for the religious to prove something, not those of us who simply don't go along with it to "prove against it." Have a look at "zomgitscriss umbrella" and her other uploads. She is sensible and amusing. BTW There is lots of evidence for the Harry Potter in "The Philosopher's Stone"

[pgtips2]

@StrumstickJoe I am aware that if someone wants me to believe what they believe, they have to demonstrate why I should and vice-versa. As to the Harry Potter comment I don't think it merits serious response. If you do then I don't think it's me who's being unaware.

[StrumstickJoe]

@pgtips2 I posted a reply to this, but it disappeared...

The Harry Potter comment was a joke, and didn't warrant a serious response. It did raise the point of belief, though. I doubt if many people believe in the "truth" of the HP stories, but, for historical and indoctrination reasons, some still believe in the bible and koran stories, which are based just as much on fantasy. Neither ignorance nor unawareness is involved. The bible can't prove itself.

[UnrealHelix]

@StrumstickJoe It doesn't need to prove itself. God proves it to the heart of everyone who turns to Him alone for their salvation. It's a heart thing man.

[StrumstickJoe]

@UnrealHelix Yes it does! If you want to base your life on something unproven, then do so; there is no salvation for you!

Like I said before: type "ZOMGitsCriss atheist umbrella" into YT (I dare you!) and make sure you have your umbrella with you when you're watching! The bible is seriously inconsistent, plagarised fantasy. The gods in there, specially the main one, are vindictive reflections of the worst of human types.

Live now, live long, die contented, and rejoin the stars.

[UnrealHelix]

@StrumstickJoe You can't apply human logic to the love of God. It goes way beyond anything our minds can comprehend! The only way I will die contented is trusting in Christ, because I did everything else life has to offer (as much as I could afford to) and found no contentment, including religion.

[StrumstickJoe]

@UnrealHelix Why that mystery? There's no need for it.

I prefer the interpretation that man invented god, and not the other way round. And he didn't invent him very well, or there wouldn't have been all the contradictions and the terrible human traits, like anger and acceptance of slavery and murder.

Try havin a look at Cristina - you might like her.

best wishes to you.

[UnrealHelix]

@StrumstickJoe That's where we show our true nature. The God of the Bible has a blazing anger only against evil, and for one reason- He's good. We're not...how can we judge Him? Read the newspapers, we do WICKED things to ourselves and each other. We can't judge God like a man. He is only mysterious because its only humble people who can know Him. Who said any of His traits are human? He created humans.

[lllooollnnnlloooll]

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Great videos by the way, and it is very true that once you have that good feeling that negative tries to work twice as hard to get rid of it.

[desasterz]

Oscar Wild was a clown!

[sthcrox]

@desasterz

but he gave his life to God as he lay dying. narrow escape but blessed

[desasterz]

@sthcrox really??

[sthcrox]

@desasterz

yep. really. that's what i said.

[DuesEstSemperFidelis]

Not only did he mention one of the things I struggle with, he also mention my favor tie verse...

[mollycheong27]

I like where Mr Joshua Harris said, the "lust" or the "temptation" itself is giving its own promise and we have to counteract that!

This makes me think --- do I submit to the temptation's promise or do I submit to God's promises?

Thank you Joshua, good message.

[Tammyaway]

Why do you even need a god to avoid being tempted to do something "bad"? and why is money bad? it's just bills, it's how YOU use it that is bad. I know people who are wealthy and have a high income and they use it for good purposes (and they don't need religion to tell them to do so).

[JASmahler]

@Tammyaway no one says that money is bad...its when money becomes God. and "they don't need religion to tell them to do so"

-Christianity isn't a set of rules where if you follow enough of them you'll get yourself a ticket to heaven. It is an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ. Following rules won't save you because "all have fallen short of the Glory of God". Only faith in Jesus Christ who died so that our punishment would fall on his shoulders can save.

[ubahkira]

thanks. You are a life saver

[NonRtarded]

Thanks a good point...I don't want to get into temptation :(

[Bell1888]

i was tempted to go on internet porn just before i watched this video. what a coincidence

[fee20luv]

@Bell1888 really i'm glad you didn't and found this video. you should save this vid

and when you get tempted watch this vid. or pray to god he give you strength to not do watever it is that the ememy is trying to make you do. or read the bible cuz the bible. helps you overcome temptaion god bless :)

[xxfisher321xx]

Amen.

[shaunehw]

awesome post - ty!

[procrastin8r89]

this is amazing. God has annointed you

[bibleteachingcoach]

Excellent! This video is easy to recommend to others.

[Prosperwithin]

True...rethink the thinking;. The promise of temptation is so momentary. The promises of God are so enduring.

[toddiemak]

This is so true...thank u Ps. Josh for awakening me to God's promises & that temptation is an awareness that God has broken thru in my life & for sure temptation is against His desire/purpose for our lives!

God bless :-)

[treborn88]

thanks Joshua!

[0asiz]

true!

[JermarParker]

amne brotha