HHO Spark Plug Part 2

[Itsmeeman1]

@HybridWaterMan2 It may not have reached $5 a gallon for petrol/gas in the US just yet but here in the UK it's up to $10 per gallon! We seriously need help from people that can rid us of petrol dependency!

[HybridWaterMan2]

Very cool video and nice explanation. Good work!

[OG96932]

stan myers therory

[jimmyhackers]

all this hho is technically rubbish.

hho is said to cool/enhance a lean mixture

it is the water content alone that cools your engine

not the hydrogen/oxygen.

inject steam or vapourised water mist with a water injection kit

and its pretty much the same effect

[HybridWaterMan2]

@jimmyhackers It is NOT rubbish - it works and works well if you have a good system. We have been doing it for years and our customers come back and refer friends. It is NOT just vaporized steam either- way more powerful than that.

[jimmyhackers]

@HybridWaterMan2 fair enough although i would say....... that water vapour inside the combustion chamber will form hho anyways,

heat, pressure or electricity or a combination of the three will make water into hho. and inside your engine there is a ruck load of each.

the merit to hho is an increase in initial combustion tempreture as hho burns at over 3000dgerees c which in theory sould equate to a much larger heat expansion of the already present combustion gases.

[HybridWaterMan2]

@jimmyhackers - interesting assumptions. Where do you find that hho is created by heat or pressure? Obviously we see it created via electricity and certainly when it combusts it turns back into water or steam, but I have not seen any research or experiments to prove hho gas is created by heat or pressure....do you have some references to that? In my research I have seen combustion of hho at 800+ degrees, not 3000- that one is a new figure as well. Not debunking, just would like more info...

[jimmyhackers]

@HybridWaterMan2 tbh that 3000 degrees figure is it at high pressure gas bottle/wldling torch tempreture. i would say that tempretures of hho combustion would really depend on the state its in (i.e heated or compressed)

and in the industrial process of making hydrogen they use heat and pressure to aid electrolysis to improove the efficiency of hho production. they aslo add a chemical catalysts. wikipedia it.

[HybridWaterMan2]

Respond to this video... Also, just in response to the water injection comment earlier- there is a huge difference in consumption rates between water injection and hho generators. An HHO generator can run for a week on less than a liter of water (depending on size and amperage), fuel injection is many times that amount. It is most definitely two distinct and different uses of water. One uses water at it's present state, one uses hydrogen/oxygen gas which is highly explosive/energetic.

[jimmyhackers]

@HybridWaterMan2 as for consumption. roughly 1 litre of water makes 1800 litres of gas regardless of being in hho or high tempreture steam state. my 1.4 engine sucks in 700 litres of air a minute at idle and over 4000litre at 6000rpm.

hence why i argue hho is useless, as 5lpm is a good production and that rate would mean the intake charge is still less than 1 percent hhoe at idle and less that a tenth of a percent at max rpm.

[HybridWaterMan2]

@jimmyhackers - I am very familiar with the industrial production of hydrogen, but that is not the same as hho. Two completely different products. Also- I beg to differ strongly the comparison of steam and HHO. You take a liter of hho in a plastic bottle and you can explode it so loud that it sounds like an M-80. You take a liter of steam and you will not get any explosive energy from it in the same bottle. Two totally different animals. That's not to say a little steam mixed with HHO is bad...

[jimmyhackers]

@HybridWaterMan2 the difference between industrial hydrogen production and diy hho is mainly scale and that they release the oxygen part to atmosphere, they still spliit water to make it.

and your not understanding my point about formation of hydrogen during combustion, your spark plugs are essentially the platesand the high voltage arc will turn some of the present water into hydrogen and oxygen.

my water consumption is between 0.25 - 0.5 gph, i prefer h20 to hho because of the poweer gains

[HybridWaterMan2]

@jimmyhackers - actually I disagree, respectfully. There is something different in HHO that renders it unique from H2. For years, engineers and scientists insisted you could not and should not recombine the separated gases of oxygen and hydrogen. Technically they should rejoin back into water as soon as they meet, but they don't. They stay suspended in an electrical energy of sorts. And it is only when that energy is released they rejoin into water. I understand your point about the plasma arc.

[HybridWaterMan2]

@HybridWaterMan2 - but you are making mine: If you are consuming .25-.5 gallons per hour of water with water injection, I am using that amount in TWO WEEKS with HHO generator and mileage chip. That proves my point- there is far more energy in that .5 gallons of water when electrolyzed and used as hydrogen-oxygen gas as opposed to just plain water injection. However, water injection is easier to install and maintain I am sure. Mind if I ask what your mileage gain is with it?

[jimmyhackers]

@HybridWaterMan2 well thats the problem im a bit of a boy racer and i feel a far greater power increase with water injection. so as you can imagine my mpg quest has gone completely out the window. and arguably leaving hydrogen and oxygen gas by itself it will turn into water. think of oxy hydrogen welders where each gas is in a seperate presurized bottle. you cannot keep both under pressure in one container as they will return to water eventually

[HybridWaterMan2]

@jimmyhackers hahaha- yeah I understand. We had a customer inject his hho into the vacuum port of his carb on his 82 Firebird using our 773 hho generator kit. He said he felt like he had put a turbo on it, and it passed California smog which it couldn't do before. The mechanic thought his emissions testing machine was on the blink because they dropped so low.

I asked what kind of mileage increase he got- he said he didn't really care, because he was having too much fun punching it!

[HybridWaterMan2]

Respond to this video...

I understand it doesn't make sense to you. But I am telling you we see positive results all the time from our customers using our hho generators. I have a project vehicle right now- 2001 Chevy Van; 5.7 liter motor. We are running the 773 hho generator at approx.40 amps and it is making 4-5 lpm. We have a mileage chip. That van typically gets 9-10 miles per gallon- runs 4 days before fill up- 5 days drains it. I am on day 7 and gauge is one mark under half tank.

[jimmyhackers]

@HybridWaterMan2 well in all honesty i should be on you side for hho, when i had a a hho generator on my car on the trip from birmingham to oxford (one long motorway) i saw my fuel consumption half

however for short journeis /stop start city driving i saw no appreciable gain in mpg.. i removed my hho as i was fed up of fused wires, flashbacks and rusty water leaking inside my engine bay.

[HybridWaterMan2]

@jimmyhackers - I hear you. Lousy hho generators have been the bane of this industry as every tabletop experimenter throws them together and calls them great, when they really are not designed for rigors of the road. We had flashbacks and shorted gens our first few times too, which is why I spent so much time and money developing our Hybrid Cells that can take up to 60 amps without melting- no pwm required. We use 70 amp relays, heavy gauge wiring, and 60 amp fuse holders with 40 amp fuses.

[HybridWaterMan2]

Respond to this video...The only way you benefit from short run driving is running at higher amps so it generates faster with shorter warm ups. Most units can't hold up- ours love the 35-40 amp range and seems to work great in all our project cars as well as our customers, who keep coming back as well as sending referrals. Sorry you had a bad experience. When gas hits $5.00 a gallon- let me know- I will work you a special deal;)

[prototype9000]

the debunking was not even done with any scientific investigation of cold fusion it was a whole conspiracy you can find alot of information on the conspiracy there are still companys and researchers investigating it and there results have turned out positive

[solcitynavigater]

The implosion of hydrogen and oxygen into water puzzled me for a while, too...

Obviously it's an exothermic reaction and yes, the water molecule would take up less space than it's component hydrogen and oxygen molecules.

But that's where the "exothermic" part comes into play. Remember, usable energy is volume displacement. In the case of hho it works because of the tremendous amount of heat generated.

It's not water, it's steam.

[dallasgoldbug]

FYI hydrogen doesn't explode it implodes. For a combustion motor to run properly you actually need to ignite twice in a cylinder due to the hydrogen imploding actually sucks the piston rather than pushing it. Each ignition results in 1 drop of water that is super heated into steam and sucked out with the exhaust.

[antimoron08]

so why does my 3hp engen run on it or mith busters runing there car on it you sir are a

1st class moron

[dallasgoldbug]

video please?

[antimoron08]

go to mith busters hho moron

[dallasgoldbug]

yours please? You mean theirs uses your pen spark plug? Oh sorry didn't thing so. As for your childish insults, I'll just let you speak for that.

[antimoron08]

i do not have a camra i am poor you think thats funny but mith busters proved it worked

[dallasgoldbug]

Dude your preaching to the wrong guy. Take a look at my vids. Yeah I know HHO can run the world...I was interested in viewing your pen and other ideas in action.

No camera, what then are we watching? Give me your address ill send you a $25 web cam. s*#t!

[antimoron08]

my bad i thoought you where one of thoughts jurks that are saying its you cant run you car on hydrogen i am going to get a cam this week and post it

[fairlanejay]

Many years ago I saw a show about some guys testing rail guns for space weapons. They put 2 electrodes sideways in the closed end of a barrel with water. They applied very high volts / amps, and it was said the explosion far surpassed any gunpowder. And they couldnt explain it. But the energy required was prohibitive for practical use. I think this is along same lines.

[taftstewart]

Good job thou. Keep it up.

[taftstewart]

I think that Stan Meyer has already come up with this and there is a short video on here. Its a device that plugs into each spark plug that water can be injected straight thru the spark plug device. There is supposed to be a patent on this. Stan Meyer also is the one that made a Carberator to put on a GM 350 that got 100mpg but they would not let him manufactor this. Someone murdered him now....

[dreamyear]

try ultrasonic fogger..you only need 5mm gram of water to push engine piston

[pentax1812]

Really good video You might be looking a fusion

[auttman]

I love your video, definitively one of the best I have seen. Not only do you explain every aspect of your experiment but the camera work is excellent.