Btw Z, do you think a separate, modified car alternator giving out high voltage for HHO production a good idea? Say, 120 DC (or AC, if that would work)? You see, I find that my car's electrical system is having a hard time handling so many amps at 12 volts. And a 150 watt'ish system doesn't really cut it. Not the way we want HHO to be -- dramatic. I'm thinking 500 watts or more would be a good start but handling those amps at 12v isn't as comfortable.
@JWKanalen So the question is will you get the same results with water vapor injection alone? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. That's why so many people see some gains with only a trickle of HHO. They've ignored the water vapor component. There's still not enough HHO in there to be making any difference on its own. That's why I'm going more after efficiency.
Greetings ZFF. This will be interesting and very informative to watch. 7 plate groups with 8 plates in each (56 total, 4 less than last time :)). Plate groups inter-connected in series? (Parallel, maybe? With the threaded steel bar, "through-and-through"?) I am eagerly waiting to see the new construction and how it performs. It will be very kind of you to give a bit more description of the inter-connections between plate groups and any possible alt configs you may have tried to tweak the amps.TY
Good evening Z, hope you're doing well. I'm surprised you're taking the clear box approach again on the BC rebuild. You must be visually keeping tabs on production as well as the actual volume measurements? I fully understand though, watching production is mesmerizing in itself. I've debated contacting you for several months now, curious to see how things would develop based on the timing of the BC's youtube debut. Also curious about the origins of your inspiration
@ChrisPCrunchy The compressed gasket wet cell (not dry) is elegant looking and fits nicely in many places. That's where it ends. Too many mechanical flaws. The terminals often got resistive, heated, lost efficiency. Internal current leakage is almost impossible to prevent. And the gaskets will always soften, bulge from between plates and leak electrolyte.
I much prefer swimmers even if a little bigger. They're easier to replicate, easier to balance voltage, less likely to leak.
@ZeroFossilFuel Wouldnt voltages self ballance as a plate or an area of a plate that has a smaller gap would generate more gas bubbles on the surface. As gas bubbles are more resistive (open circuit) they would reduce the surface area of the plate exposed to the electrolyte and self ballance out the current through that plate as compared to the rest? Wouldnt "swimmers" increase the area of leakage as the electrolyte can allow current flow around the plates not just through a few holes?
@nogarats HHOPWR did them for me. Check his series on the magnetic beastie. He found that starting with 80 grit material (not sure what) then using aluminum oxide 300 grit produced the most gain in exposed surface area as well as optimum surface texture to produce and release the gas.
Man, You have some patience my friend. I have always used my table saw to take them apart. But using Weld On that was my only choice. Can't wait for the final build.
The MIT hydrogen solar cell is a self contained simple unit. One solar cell in water splits the water with only a flashlight giving it enough energy. No copper connections outside to transport the electrons to a hydrolyzer. With no expensive copper and the cost of sand being relatively cheap, this is a major breakthrough. Flashlight power for hydrolisis, you don't get any more efficient. Question is, will cobalt work for more efficiency for you?
@los angeles 90745 , the cobalt process is my idea. I brought it up in the Danial Dingle Watercar site over 3 years ago. The student that introduced it to his Prof was a member of the site. I abandoned the process because there is a more efficient process. I working on it now. When I get the process down and my new device built, I'll open source it through Panacea and a couple of other sites. Until then, I wont release it because people keep taking my ideas and claiming them as theirown.
Zero, thanks for all your work. Been watching u for a while. Wanted to drop a hint at what MIT has been doing with electrolysis from direct sunlight. They have developed a solar cell in water that splits the water. True free energy. What may have an impact for you is that they have discovered that cobalt for the + plates cuts the req voltage from 2.4V to 1.5V drop per plate. Your batt cell seems perfect for this. Search for MIT and tiny bubbles. BUBBLE ON!
@spawn2882 hey there try searching SOLAR HYDROGEN HOME MICHAEL STRIZKI its a 3 year old video but the man is a true pioneer. and while your at it check out GEET fuel reformers. MASSIVE YET TINY ENGINE wicked. have a look google PESWIKI . also FUEL FOGGER. POGUE carburator. and just remember the more good ENERGY ideas we put together will help us all achieve what we really want. check my channel...Peace
Btw Z, do you think a separate, modified car alternator giving out high voltage for HHO production a good idea? Say, 120 DC (or AC, if that would work)? You see, I find that my car's electrical system is having a hard time handling so many amps at 12 volts. And a 150 watt'ish system doesn't really cut it. Not the way we want HHO to be -- dramatic. I'm thinking 500 watts or more would be a good start but handling those amps at 12v isn't as comfortable.
Quigon10101 9 months ago
@Quigon10101 2nd alternator, yes. HV, still not sold.
ZeroFossilFuel 9 months ago
@JWKanalen So the question is will you get the same results with water vapor injection alone? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. That's why so many people see some gains with only a trickle of HHO. They've ignored the water vapor component. There's still not enough HHO in there to be making any difference on its own. That's why I'm going more after efficiency.
ZeroFossilFuel 9 months ago
Greetings ZFF. This will be interesting and very informative to watch. 7 plate groups with 8 plates in each (56 total, 4 less than last time :)). Plate groups inter-connected in series? (Parallel, maybe? With the threaded steel bar, "through-and-through"?) I am eagerly waiting to see the new construction and how it performs. It will be very kind of you to give a bit more description of the inter-connections between plate groups and any possible alt configs you may have tried to tweak the amps.TY
Quigon10101 10 months ago
All will be revealed.
ZeroFossilFuel 10 months ago
Good evening Z, hope you're doing well. I'm surprised you're taking the clear box approach again on the BC rebuild. You must be visually keeping tabs on production as well as the actual volume measurements? I fully understand though, watching production is mesmerizing in itself. I've debated contacting you for several months now, curious to see how things would develop based on the timing of the BC's youtube debut. Also curious about the origins of your inspiration
to build a unipolar unit. -Gus
BioFarmer93 10 months ago
@BioFarmer93 There's nothing new here, really. It's inspired by the 12V wet cell automotive battery.
ZeroFossilFuel 10 months ago
What was wrong with the EBN cell?
ChrisPCrunchy 10 months ago
@ChrisPCrunchy The compressed gasket wet cell (not dry) is elegant looking and fits nicely in many places. That's where it ends. Too many mechanical flaws. The terminals often got resistive, heated, lost efficiency. Internal current leakage is almost impossible to prevent. And the gaskets will always soften, bulge from between plates and leak electrolyte.
I much prefer swimmers even if a little bigger. They're easier to replicate, easier to balance voltage, less likely to leak.
ZeroFossilFuel 10 months ago
@ZeroFossilFuel Wouldnt voltages self ballance as a plate or an area of a plate that has a smaller gap would generate more gas bubbles on the surface. As gas bubbles are more resistive (open circuit) they would reduce the surface area of the plate exposed to the electrolyte and self ballance out the current through that plate as compared to the rest? Wouldnt "swimmers" increase the area of leakage as the electrolyte can allow current flow around the plates not just through a few holes?
ChrisPCrunchy 10 months ago
Can you explain a little bit about media blasting of the plates ? or point me to a video ?
You're doing an AWSOME job !!
Thanks
Nog.
nogarats 10 months ago
@nogarats HHOPWR did them for me. Check his series on the magnetic beastie. He found that starting with 80 grit material (not sure what) then using aluminum oxide 300 grit produced the most gain in exposed surface area as well as optimum surface texture to produce and release the gas.
ZeroFossilFuel 10 months ago
Man, You have some patience my friend. I have always used my table saw to take them apart. But using Weld On that was my only choice. Can't wait for the final build.
Larry
HHOPWR 10 months ago
Zero, thank you for sharing.
I've got truck loads of respect for you.
Keep on Rockin.
Peace.
Mike.
mikepowers420 10 months ago
The MIT hydrogen solar cell is a self contained simple unit. One solar cell in water splits the water with only a flashlight giving it enough energy. No copper connections outside to transport the electrons to a hydrolyzer. With no expensive copper and the cost of sand being relatively cheap, this is a major breakthrough. Flashlight power for hydrolisis, you don't get any more efficient. Question is, will cobalt work for more efficiency for you?
techtv.mit.edu/videos/273-tiny-bubbles
lostangeles90745 10 months ago
@los angeles 90745 , the cobalt process is my idea. I brought it up in the Danial Dingle Watercar site over 3 years ago. The student that introduced it to his Prof was a member of the site. I abandoned the process because there is a more efficient process. I working on it now. When I get the process down and my new device built, I'll open source it through Panacea and a couple of other sites. Until then, I wont release it because people keep taking my ideas and claiming them as theirown.
mikepowers420 10 months ago
thanx z doing garden this year? stay safe
wetsailer 10 months ago
Zero, thanks for all your work. Been watching u for a while. Wanted to drop a hint at what MIT has been doing with electrolysis from direct sunlight. They have developed a solar cell in water that splits the water. True free energy. What may have an impact for you is that they have discovered that cobalt for the + plates cuts the req voltage from 2.4V to 1.5V drop per plate. Your batt cell seems perfect for this. Search for MIT and tiny bubbles. BUBBLE ON!
lostangeles90745 10 months ago
@lostangeles90745
Sounds interesting, I will search up MIT.
I personally think it would take alot of solar cells to run an efficient hho generator.
spawn2882 10 months ago
@spawn2882 hey there try searching SOLAR HYDROGEN HOME MICHAEL STRIZKI its a 3 year old video but the man is a true pioneer. and while your at it check out GEET fuel reformers. MASSIVE YET TINY ENGINE wicked. have a look google PESWIKI . also FUEL FOGGER. POGUE carburator. and just remember the more good ENERGY ideas we put together will help us all achieve what we really want. check my channel...Peace
neiallswheel 10 months ago
@neiallswheel
Yes I have seen that video. And his house has a considerable amount of solar panels.
Along with the ability to store that energy. That to a very considerable amount of work and investment.
spawn2882 10 months ago
If you need any 1/2 Plexiglas then contact me. I recently scored 4 4'x8'x1/2" sheets & some smaller partials.
I can make you a super deal :)
WulfBand 10 months ago