Richard III - Scene 13

[Centurator]

what's the music during crowning ceremony

[fgtuh]

@Centurator Te Deum, from marc antoine Charpentier ( France, 17 th century, musician of the king). Not very fit for the coronation of an english king....

[westf0rce]

2:27 Joint :)

[Nelsonhojax15]

love the little scene between anne and buckingham at the end, kind of like "hey, you got screwed over too? yeah...Richards an asshole.."

[myloverisbillmurray]

@Nelsonhojax15 i agree, i sort of wish it was in the play! im in two minds about all the screwing around theyv'e done but every now and then the liberties theyre taking results in a little gem like that!

[Nelsonhojax15]

A friend of mine saw the movie and joked about this scene saying " With Richard gone, a romance began to bud between Anne and Buckingham, two lost souls that finally found each other" but he said it in one of those trailer narration voices. Now when I see this, that quote is the first thing that pops into my head, lol.

[fronoso]

Wich is the music piece used during the coronation?

[JungleBoy3]

@fronoso Prelude to Te Deum, by Charpentier

[fronoso]

@JungleBoy3 thanks jungleboy3!

[frantic1971]

Was Richard really the evil sinister scowling person that Shakespeare made him to be? I have read that much of it was later propaganda by the Tudors. And that Shakespeare wrote it to please Queen Elizabeth I.

[vaudevilleUK]

@frantic1971 It's certainly a very twisted account, try starting with Alison Weir's "Lancaster & York" that's a good introduction to the Wars of the Roses on general and provides a somewhat more accurate portrayal of Richard III.

[Wolffur]

Ahthough Richard was probably guilty of the murders of the two little princes, as He had motive, means, and oppertunity, it shoud be likewise be remebered that the two skeletons in thier crypt are those of two teenage girls.

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

This depends if Richard was the murderous tyrant as whom the Tudor historians depict him or not; while murdering close relatives to seize the royal throne is not uncommon, even our Charlemagne made the nephews of his brother disappear in a monastery; there also examples for the contrary: Antigonus III Doson of Macedonia ruled for his nephew Philip V who became king later; and as it was not too sure that Richard would have surviving issue of himself this may have happened here too.

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

The new Henry VII had even more cause to murder the young princes: As they would have claimed the throne of their father once they were old enough; and as the Yorkists have always been victorious on the battlefield he as the heir to the Lancastrian cause would not have dared to have the sons of Edward IV remaining alive, neither as dukes in his realm nor as exiles at the French or Burgundian court; and laying the blame on Richard III and labelling him a cruel tyrant was an easy excuse.

[Wolffur]

@FireEyedMaidOfWar Very true, I hadn't thought of that. Furthermore, as a side note, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the much-maligned Richard was in fact a much beloved and good ruler, a victim of a propaganda smear campaign.

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

@Wolffur: Like every old noble Richard had supporters and detractors; and he became the sole victim of loosing the Battle of Bosworth Field! Had he prevailed history would have scarcely taken note of Earl Richmond; and had he beheaded the treacherous Lord Stanley before the battle he would have won without a doubt; and so he became the target of Tudor malice; and by looking on Henry VIII I doubt that this son was too much different from his father and so he could be the real culprit.

[fredocarroll]

@FireEyedMaidOfWar Even were that true, there is no evidence that either HRH King Edward V, or his brother HRH Richard, survived to Bosworth Field.

[FireEyedMaidOfWar]

@fredocarroll: So there exact date of death is known? I hardly think so and the times of the downfall of House York are troublesome; so I am not convinced yet.