Cheng Style Bagua Dao

[TheZiggirawk]

@4tibbles, the fact that you call a taijitu "that thing" makes me lol

[Daddyo94521]

I am quite impressed. What control of all the correct angles.

[4Tibbles]

The arrangements of the trigrams on the thing on te wall in the background seems a little random - isn't kun supposed to be on the bottom, and opposite chien (chien at the top)?

[MrMissingimage]

if i had to sum up Qi in one word i would say technique. Qi is a very in depth understanding of you and your opponents actions to such a point as to b able to "see" what they are doing before they know it themselves, also to be able to root and center under the most extreme circumstances... IMHO

yin baguazhang 12 yrs bagua dao 4 yrs

[TheEmo01]

ok first of all i have no clue how hard it is to do stuff like that but honestly i doesnt look very hard

[Tranxhead]

I think that's part of the trick.

[tweetalig]

THIS SHiFU IS THE GREATEST OF ALL THE BAGUA MASTERS IN CHINA!

[pimphics]

see how this man can distract u?

hell look like hes going to make a high cut and comes low. When he turns his back to u his sword will come at u in no second. This is art. i don't do this myself but i can show my respect for this.

[ukguy]

excellent, Sun Sifu is the best cheng prsctitioner i know.

[swordnerd108]

Qi can't really be explained to anyone. I mean what it is can be, but questions like "What does it feel like when you are in Qi flow?" or "How will I know when I am harnessing it?" are more or less "just do it" questions. As my Sifu puts it, "It's like asking what an orange taste like when you have never eaten one. If I say 'sweet', you still don't know what I am talking about. You just have to eat one to know."

[tattooedmonk]

Non-sense! How can you label something that can not be defined??? To the first question, you could say,"natural and unobstructed". As for the second, you could say,"stronger and more aware".This is correct,basic and helpful I believe most people would know what sweet tastes like butyou are right, conveying the actual taste is difficult. I think answers like the ones you and your sifu have given are used instead of " I do not know".No offense or disrespect.

[nanhuazhenren]

i rather think that you can explain what it feels like,but no matter how well you explain,it won´t be of any help.of course i could tell you what it feels like to be cut with a knife,but can you feel it right now? to me this has nothing to do with"i don´t know".

[tattooedmonk]

Won't be of "ANY" Help?? Are you "F" ing kidding me? What is the point in even teaching then? A good teacher should be able. Once again a bad analogy. I believe most people that have had a cut before would be able to relate because of the memory and/or a scar tied to the trauma. What about empathy??I am curious as to how long you have been training. The info you are giving is the reason why people do not like or believe in the power of CMA.Your answers are like fortune cookie sayings.

[nanhuazhenren]

at first i didn´t want to start an argue,ok?so let´s leave these insults out please.and now once again my bad analogy:you can of course relate to what it feels like,but imagine everytime you would think about this kind of pain you would also feel it phisically.won´t be of any help was a bit overdone,that´s true,but it´s just not possible to describe ANY feeling 100% accurately.even with a high empathy on the side of the listener.i´m just answering out of logic.

[tattooedmonk]

Ok. I am still stumped by this wont offer any help attitude.I am not talking about a 100% I am talking about enough information to give them the idea about what you are talking about. You realize these are the answers that people have been giving for over a hundred years and are the reason why everyone does MMA now.

[nanhuazhenren]

ok i understand your point.i´m also sorry about so many people neglecting or dissing tma as there is a lot we can learn from them.i also agree with you in the information point

[tattooedmonk]

Cool . I was not try to start an arguement just clarify a a cloudy subject.

[icemanarc]

If you want to know and experience Qi - to anyone on this page - you won't find the answer on this forum or anywhere else on the internet.

You'll have to practice. But I will say it's more than you can imagine, and much less than you might assume.

But it is not magic, and it won't make you fly, but practicing the Internal arts without qi is empty and meaningless. You might as well do ballet, parkour, or breakdancing. You'll never be more than just a guy dancing around in a circle otherwise.

[TaoBoxer]

Always a pleasure to get advice from anonymous friends. Thankyou so much. It has completely changed my perspective.

Lewitt

[icemanarc]

No problem. That post wasn't for you, btw, it was for anyone being unfortunately lead toward a path of doubt and disbelief by a well spoken individual.

I can't change you, but I can debate to the point that you resort to sarcasm.

Also, I wanted to add that you are right about practicing with the Dao, but I ran out of room last time.

[icemanarc]

That's a somewhat misleading statement TaoBoxer. They don't all use oversized weapons and also that's not the primary reason they used them. They have roots in actual battle. A sword like this (I like this form, though different from our own using that weapon) also generates a lot of power and can literally crash through armor. Many of the postures will have names likes "sweeping 10000 armies". It does naturally train strength and root, but momentum is more important.

[TaoBoxer]

True enough.... Those are the stories. If my remark was misleading what is "sweeping 10,000 armies?" Comments like "crash through armor" are a bit too prosaic to be useful. Carrying a 10 pound sword makes me strong. Training based on stories of what may or may not have happened in the Qing dynasty or earlier dosn't.

Lewitt

[icemanarc]

that's just a name. I didn't say that's what they are used for now.

If you're speaking for the now, what you said makes sense. But just because no one engages in armor battle anymore doesn't mean that the essence of the form should be discarded for mere exercise. There's something to learn about using jin and momentum in conjunction, as if one were cutting through armor. Most of these guys were not as strong externally as internally. that's not due to lifting heavy, oversized objects.

[TaoBoxer]

Fables and fantasies. There is no magical "internal" component that suddenly makes it easier to swing a 10 pound sword. Western students tend to buy too quickly into the "Crouching Tiger Syndrome." No amount of Qigong makes it easier to use the blade. Using the blade makes it easier to use the blade. No exceptions.

Lewitt

[icemanarc]

You've got a strong misconception of qi. Qi isn't magic. Hey, if you want to swing a heavy sword around for exercise, be my guest. As for me, I'll use my bowflex.

Also, no one said that qi gong could make you fly, and once again putting them into the same category is misleading. Mostly yourself.

If you haven't experienced qi, then you can't really comment on it. You can argue against it. But so did the Church say the Earth was the center of the universe when they knew nothing about it.

[Scalier]

Well said. TaoBoxer, I wanted and I would use all the scientific evidence to prove the existence of many skills gained in cma. However, after 3 years of baji, and now taiji, the only thing that has ever held me back is not being open to the chinese view of life. It's in the end only a matter of perspective.

[MatsuoBashoThePoet]

I'm totally with you about qi (chi) and the morals you show.

Also, just as it may clarify things a bit, and because it's interesting, in china 10000 is a number used to signify 'everything', for example, t'ai chi, the combination of yin and yang, is sometimes known as 'the ten thousand things', because yin and yang represent and are present in everything

[H2Zman]

Damn thats a HUGE sword.

[baguazhanghappy]

he's the best master of Cheng style Baguazhang in China.

[stellardancer]

He's simply amazing! One of the greatest I eveh saw!

[TaoBoxer]

Bagua Dao is usually about 5-6 feet in length. Internal kung fu uses oversized weapons to train strength and root. I have one that is a little over 5 feet and weighs 10-12 pounds. The sword in this video is quite a bit lighter, obviously a wushu demo blade, but the form is beautiful regardless. Check my videos for the large Jian as well. Lewitt

[Shindai]

That sword looks huge, is it just me being tired or is it bigger than usual? Beautiful form, anyway, I love the fluidity and circular movements of bagua, captivates me every time :)

[bobby9564]

this is awesome. its the form i started to learn a month ago. would love a copy of it

[hawkeyeke]

Who is your teacher? Not many know this form. I have practiced this form for a few years, my Grandmaster learned it from Mr Jun around 20 years ago.